1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful little teen girl 2 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: goes missing? Where is Alicia? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? 3 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: I mean, see Grace. This is crime Stories. Thank you 4 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius 5 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: XM one eleven. Let's start with our friend Dave Matt 6 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: at crime online dot Com. Alicia Navarro is fifteen years 7 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: old and is on the autism spectrum. Her mother, Jessica, 8 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: says she is shy and anxious in some social situations 9 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: and isn't fond of being out in public much or 10 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: for very long. She did, however, like going to McDonald's 11 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: for chicken McNuggets. Alicia Navarro takes medicine and has a 12 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: compromised immune system. She also likes to wear the same 13 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: clothes and the same shoes over and over, which her 14 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: mother says is because of her autism. For example, she 15 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: only wore sweatshirts in Arizona despite the harsh heat. In 16 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: the very early hours of September fifteenth, twenty nineteen, Navarro's 17 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: mother saw her come down from her room and get 18 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: a glass of water around one am. She made her 19 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: way back to her room later that same morning around 20 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: seven am, Alicia's mother, Jessica, made breakfast for her husband 21 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: and her two youngest children. Alicia was not up yet. 22 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: When her mom went to check, Alicia was gone. How 23 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: can it happen? Just like that? Mom sees Alicia go 24 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: to the kitchen's sink and get a glass of water 25 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: around one am. When mom checks on Alicia the next morning, 26 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: just a few hours later, she's gone again. I'm mean 27 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: to see Grace. Thank you for being with us here 28 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven with me 29 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: an all start panel to you down and put it 30 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: back together again. Trent Steele, who has been working on 31 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: this case, President National Director Investigative Operations at the Anti 32 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: Predator Project at Anti Predator Project dot Org. Jose Santiago, 33 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: Glendale PD, Communications Manager and you can find them at 34 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: Glendale as dot com Forward slash Police. Alicia Kozak. We 35 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: know her well, a survivor who was lured online, was kidnapped, 36 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: taken far away from her home, assaulted repeatedly, and the 37 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: night she believes her kidnapper was set to kill her 38 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: to get rid of evidence, the FBI swoops in and 39 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: saves her. I'll let you hear her tell her story. Herself, 40 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: she said. Alicia Kosak withek dot com, doctor Angela Arnold, 41 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists, joining me from the Atlanta your instinction, She's 42 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: at Angela Arnold MD dot com at first, to Sierra 43 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: Gillespie joining me Crime online dot com investigative reporter, Sierra, 44 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: let's take it off with our friend Ryan Sims at 45 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: kat VK, CBS five, Arizona. Listen. Not only are we 46 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: talking about a girl who depends on family for everyday things, 47 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: but in the process she missed her own birthday party. 48 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: We all missed you a lot. I don't know exactly 49 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: what happened, but I really don't care. I just want 50 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: you to come back home. Jessica Nouni is. His message 51 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: is as distressed as it is desperate. Without any warning 52 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: at all, she says. Her daughter, Alicia Navarro left home 53 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: last Sunday morning and hasn't been seen or heard from since. Oh, 54 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: there is no fighting, even though she's artistic. She doesn't 55 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: have where she wanders or nothing like that. Family say. 56 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: Alicia left behind a note saying she was sorry for 57 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: leaving and that she would return on Friday, though her 58 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: disappearance took on a whole new urgency when Alicia missed 59 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: her own fifteenth birthday party and the Ant family say 60 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: they served Elisia's birthday cake to the volunteers searching for her. 61 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: Gray mother sibling told me, are we going to save 62 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: a piece for Alicia when she comes back? You know? 63 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: And I don't know what to say? Do you hear 64 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: the pain in mom's voice? She missed her own birthday 65 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: party and instead served the birthday cake to volunteers who 66 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: were trying to find Alicia. Please help us let me 67 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: at the get go tell you the tip line six 68 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: two three nine three zero three thousand, repeat six two 69 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: three nine three zero three thousand, and Sirah Gillespie Crimeline 70 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: dot Com, hold us one moment because I want to 71 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: go first to Alicia Kozak survivor. Alicia, let me give 72 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: you a rapid fire set of questions. How old were 73 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: you when you were kidnapped? Eighteen year old? A young teen, 74 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: just like Alicia. However, Alicia has the added difficulty of 75 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: being on the autism spectrum. You heard the reporters say 76 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: that very often she would wear the same clothes all 77 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: the time, the same shoes all the time. She's very 78 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: nervous in social settings. She depends on her family for 79 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: her food, her medication. Alicia Kozak, when you were kidnapped, 80 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: you had met your kidnapper. You were shy, beautiful, sweet 81 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: grade grades, but you were a little shy and you 82 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: met a friend online, a little friend girl right exactly, 83 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: who turned out to be not a girl at all. 84 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: And when you were a kidnapped, isn't it true you 85 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: were lured out of your house? Yes? I was so, guys. 86 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: I just one of those questions with Alicia, and she's 87 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: going to tell you her whole story, because you've got 88 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: to hear this. She's a miracle. Alicia Kosak at Alicia 89 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: Kosak dot com. So when we're talking about this little 90 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: team girl, Alicia Navarro who's now missing, I think she 91 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: was lured out of her home. This little girl is 92 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: not equipped to be even out of the house to 93 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: go to a mall on her own. I mean, I 94 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: can send my twins, John David, Alicia. I sent them together, 95 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: send them into the grocery store the other night, and 96 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: I waited in they don't park here fire lane, so 97 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: I could spy on them to make sure they were okay. 98 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: They were fine. They got some You know, very hard 99 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: to find tea my daughter wanted, and then they came out. 100 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: Long story short, This little girl, Alicia Navarro can't she 101 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: can't even do that, Sarah Gillespie. A lot of people 102 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: are acting like they don't care because they think she 103 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: left on her own. That's not what happened. I think 104 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: this girl was lured out online. She has no idea 105 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: what's outside her home. She's autistic, Sierra, tell me what happened? Yeah, Nancy. 106 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: So some people think she ran away because she did 107 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: leave a letter. We've actually seen the letter. It's been 108 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: broadcast all over. It's kind of been sloppy handwriting. But again, 109 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: when she left, she was only fourteen, and the letter says, quote, 110 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: I ran away. I will be back. I swear. I'm sorry, hedo, Sierra. 111 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: Let me just get the facts out there. Had she 112 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: ever left the home before? No, not at all. From 113 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: is very strict about that. Never to Trent Still joining me, President, 114 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: National Director of Investigative Operations at Anti Predator Project dot Org. 115 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: Trent Still, you are intimately familiar with this case. This 116 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: little girl, I mean, she's still wearing braces on her teeth. 117 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: She's never had a date, she's never even gone to 118 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: the mall or walked around a department store herself. This 119 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: little girl has a lot of emotional issues. She is artistic, Trent. 120 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: This child had never ever run away in her life. 121 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: She was happy at home. There were no problems. You know. 122 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: The other night, Trent, the church asked the twins to 123 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: play the Castanettes, or as I call them, the Canastas 124 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: the Castanettes, in some kind of a video they're doing 125 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: for the youth. And I went, sure, Well, let me 126 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: tell you. When I got home, Lucy was all over 127 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: me because she wanted to say yes or no on 128 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: her own, and I respect that. We were up all 129 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: night till midnight, Trent talking about her ability to make 130 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: choices for herself. So, you know, my daughter or son 131 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: have never run away, but if she had had some 132 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: kind of reaction to that, which was all my fault, 133 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: and I admitted, and I learned a lot from that, Trent. 134 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: There was nothing even like that with Alicia before she disappeared. 135 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: Was there nothing, no problem, no argument, nothing, no, no. 136 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: We've we've spoken with mom at length about this and 137 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: there were no problems. In fact, from what we understand, 138 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: Elsie and her mom had a fantastic relationship. They got 139 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: along well, you know, without disclosing a whole lot about 140 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: the investigation, obviously, because it's sill an ongoing case and 141 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: we don't want to tip our hands to what we've 142 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: got or you know, step on anything that GLENDEEPD is doing. 143 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: But I would say that your assessment of her being 144 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: lured out of the house is pretty accurate based on 145 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 1: what we know. We think that she left the house 146 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: voluntarily to go meet somebody that she thought she knew 147 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: or thought she had met online, and once she got there, 148 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: she found herself in a situation that she never expected. 149 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: This little girl is being raped right now and sex 150 00:09:52,480 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: abused if she's still alive. Time Stories with Nancy Greece. 151 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: Guys we hear at Fox Nation and Serious X one 152 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: eleven Crime Stories. We are dedicated to helping bring children home. 153 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: There is a chance we can help bring Alicia Navarro 154 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: home alive. Before I go to Josey Santiago, who has 155 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: kindly joined us from the Glendale Police Department, Alicia Kozack 156 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: survivor who went through this same thing at age thirteen, 157 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: and sometimes I notice when she tells her story, she 158 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: glosses over the rapes and the sex assaults, and I think, 159 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: dodtor Angela Arnold, it's because it's so painful to remember. 160 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: But to you, Alicia, when people keep saying she left voluntarily, 161 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: I hear what they're saying. But when you're lured out 162 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: of your home as a little girl, I don't call 163 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: that voluntary. Because children, even under the law, can't buy 164 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: a car, they can't buy a home, they can't enter 165 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: into a working agreement or buy alcohol or cigarettes because 166 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: they're miners. They don't have the ability to understand what 167 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: they're doing. So when you're lured out of your home 168 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: the way I think, Alicia, this little girl with autism 169 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: who can't even pick out different clothes in the morning 170 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: to wear, so she wears the same thing every day. 171 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: Alicia Kosack, I don't think that that's of your own 172 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: free will. How did you get lured out of your home? 173 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: Alicia Kosak dot com. Well, children are low risk, assessment, 174 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: high impulse, and don't always think things through. What you said, 175 00:11:55,640 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: children are low risk, assessment, high and pulse. Okay, I 176 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: completely agree with that. I had to thank for what 177 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: you were saying. Go ahead, dear, yes, And so they 178 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: don't always think through every decision that they make, and 179 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: so for me, I would thirteen, I was online. I 180 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: was a really shy child. I didn't feel unpopular, but 181 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: I still didn't feel like anybody got me, anybody understood me, 182 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: and that's very natural. And then somebody was online who 183 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: pretended to be my friend and be into everything that 184 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: I was into and to make me feel special and 185 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: important and beautiful and unique in a time when it's 186 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: really hard to feel any of those things. And with Alicia, 187 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,359 Speaker 1: which is its triggering to hear the way it's a relationship. 188 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: There's just so much here that lines up, including the 189 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: little girl's name. But what my mind jumps to is 190 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: the fact that this was her birthday month. Could this 191 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: have had something to do with that? Could this have 192 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: been somebody luring her out as a birthday surprise? That's 193 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: truly insist vulnerability. Okay, that's a really good question. Using 194 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: her birthday is a lure in your case, tell us 195 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: about Alicia Kosa, how you were lord out of your 196 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: home and what took place. This person online groomed me 197 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: for a period of nine months, and grooming is just 198 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: pretending to be a child's friend and making them feel 199 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: all those things that I said, that it's really difficult 200 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: to be a kid. Kids don't ever feel like they're 201 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: really enough. They can be surrounded by all the love 202 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: in the world and still feel different, still feel out 203 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: of place, and that's really normal. And this person made 204 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: me feel normal. And I did not know the dangers 205 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: of the internet because before anybody was talking about that. 206 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: And one of my vulnerabilities as well was that I 207 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: lived in a safe little bubble. My parents raised me 208 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: in a world that was beautiful and loving and not dangerous, 209 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: and so I wasn't aware. I knew that danger happened 210 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: and horrible things happened, but that happened elsewhere to other people. 211 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: And on New Year's Day two thousand and two, I 212 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: agreed to meet this person. And I think about Alicia 213 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: getting up, having a glass of water, her parents seeing her, 214 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: and I'm seeing her this being this very normal situation, 215 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: although it's real late night, it reminds me of my 216 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: own story in that between dinner and dessert, I vanished, 217 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: and I think about my parents and that what you 218 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: just said, between dinner and dessert, I vanished. What happened. 219 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: I walked outside of my house to meet somebody who 220 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: I thought was my friend, and he kidnapped me, and 221 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: he took me from Pittsurg, Pennsylvania, to Virginia and held 222 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: me taptive in his basement dungeon, and I do. I 223 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: don't go into the details for for many reasons, but 224 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: one being that it is so so hard to talk about. 225 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: It's it's not it's not easy by any names. Even 226 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: though it's been all these years, it's still very difficult 227 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: to talk about. And still, for the lack of a 228 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: better term, triggering, what children suffer is horrendous. And I 229 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: appreciated your tears when you were crying for her, because 230 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: it is likely that she had suffered something so terrible. 231 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: And I'm just so grateful that we were talking about 232 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: this case. Hold On, Guys, from the outside looking in 233 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: at Alicia Kovac, who were talking to you right now, 234 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: you would think, Wow, she's got it all right. She's young, 235 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: she's beautiful, she's smart, she's articulate. She goes every day 236 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: of her life with the burden of what she lived through, 237 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: and it's turned that around to try to help other people. 238 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: At thirteen, she was kidnapped, taken from her own home 239 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: from a family meal. She was held with a choke collar, 240 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: she was assaulted over and over. She was convinced that 241 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: not the FBI miraculously saved her, that she was going 242 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: to be killed. Alicia, Why in your heart did you 243 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: know that that not your kidnapper, Scott Tyree was going 244 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: to kill you. I knew early on that he didn't 245 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: have any other option than to get rid of me 246 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: at some point, so I focused on the only power 247 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: that I had was trying to stay alive as long 248 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: as possible and to get him to see me. My 249 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: mind jumped into some sort of something instinctual, and it said, 250 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: he sees he was an object and an object that 251 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: he wants to hurt and torture. They can see you 252 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: as a human. And so I did whatever I had 253 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: you just to survive and try to it makes my 254 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: son of Karen to save this word, but connect with 255 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: him in whatever way that I could. And on that 256 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: day he said, I'm beginning to like you too much. 257 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: Tonight we're going to go for a ride. And I 258 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: knew at that point that that was not even availed thread. 259 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: It was very clearly a threat and that he was 260 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: going to kill me. That what I had been doing 261 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: to try to humanize myself was working too well, and 262 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: he was becoming attached. So he was going to have 263 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: to end my life sooner. All this happened to Alicia 264 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: Kozac at age thirteen, the age of my twins. They're 265 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: turning thirteen in November. Think of your own child, this 266 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: little girl who not only is a young teen, she's autistic, 267 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: and I believe she's been lured out of her home 268 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 1: joining me, Jose, Santiago Glendale, PD. Jose, what can you 269 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: tell us about the search for Alicia Navarro? Why do 270 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: you believe or do you believe she was lured out 271 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: of her home? I can tell you that we are 272 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: looking into all the possibilities here. We have been following 273 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: up with every lead that's been coming in. We've had 274 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: a couple of people say that they expotted her in 275 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: various places, but unfortunately those leads did not turn up Alicia. Um, 276 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: we know that that night that she disappeared, we could 277 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: see footprints leading to a specific area in the yard. 278 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: Alicia did go over the fenced. On Hold on, hold on, 279 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: you're you're cutting out on me, I say, Santiago Glendelle, PD. 280 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: So you think, how could I'm not even going to 281 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: question how you saw the footprints, but you saw footprints 282 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: leading from a front door back door, which one from 283 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: the back door to the officers did see those footprints. 284 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: They were pointed out by Alicia's parents, and uh, this 285 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: is something that just this child just saw the other 286 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: side of the fence. There was some debris that appeared 287 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: that she went over on that side. I think she 288 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: met somebody. I think she met somebody because this girl 289 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, Trent, because I want to 290 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: have the correct facts and I don't want the facts 291 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: to blur together for me. Jose Santiago, GLENDELPD, Excuse me, Jose, 292 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: you say that you think went over the fence. But 293 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 1: this little girl had never run away, had never discussed 294 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: running away. There was no argument that Night Time Stories 295 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys were talking about a young teen 296 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: girl on the autism spectrum. She's missing, Help us find 297 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: her tipline six two three nine three zero three thousand. So, 298 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: Jose Santiago, what if any clothes were found on the 299 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: other side of the fence. There was just a breathe there. 300 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: There wasn't much to go on in that particular area. 301 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: Something that we want to make note of is that 302 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: when she disappeared, she did have her cell phone and 303 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: she did have her laptop with her. Those devices have 304 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: not been used since she left the home. So this 305 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: case really is a mystery because of the fact that 306 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: there's just no trace of her anywhere. We've spoken to 307 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: her friends, we've spoken to people that were close to her, 308 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: which was a very limited group, and no one seems 309 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: to have any idea where she may have gone to 310 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: that evening to Trent Still, President, National Director Investigative Operations, 311 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: Anti Predator Project dot Org, Trent, that makes me believe 312 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: even more so that someone lured her and was waiting 313 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: for her on the other side of the fence, because 314 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: if she had gone on her own, you could at 315 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: least paying or track her cell phone right or she 316 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: would have made one call or one text or something 317 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: correct left to her own devices. Go ahead, correct. I 318 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,239 Speaker 1: would tend to agree with that assessment, you know, I 319 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: would say glende LLPDS is correct and following you know, 320 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: every lead that they get in and every scenario, because 321 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: as of now we don't have something that points directly 322 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: to this scenario. This is exactly what happened this is 323 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: exactly where she went. We can just say on our 324 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: end from our investigation that we've conducted that we feel 325 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: comfortable saying on our end that we believe she met 326 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: somebody online. We believe that this online relationship, because of 327 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: her aunt's situation, was a long term, saying this was 328 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: not something that happened, you know, within two weeks or 329 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: even six months of her going missing. We believe she 330 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: had been corresponding with this particular individual for quite a while. 331 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: She left that night to go meet this individual whom 332 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: she had built up some sort of trust width, and 333 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: that's when things went out. Question do you has Santiago GLENDELPD, 334 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: Are there any home secure any surveillance cameras that could 335 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: be glean to see where she went or who she met? 336 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: Are there any tolls that have cameras? For instance, when 337 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: Alicia Kozak went missing? Alicia, isn't it true that you 338 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: went through a toll booth with your kidnapper? Several of them? 339 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: And what happened when you would go through a toll? 340 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: What would go on in your mind? And each told 341 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: booth I would get a glimmer of hope. At the 342 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: very first one, I thought that that was the moment 343 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: that I would be rescued, that I would speak up, 344 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: that the first and in the toll booth would ask 345 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: you something, would notice me crying, would report something, and 346 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: didn't suck. No fault of their own, they weren't expecting 347 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: this to be happening, but that there's so much hope 348 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: that a child is holding onto in a situation like this, 349 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: and then it can so easily be cut out, and 350 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: you search for those little bits of hope. Take a 351 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 1: listen to our friend Linda Williams at Fox ten. Her 352 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: mother describes her daughter Alicia as a simple girl. She 353 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: attends Borgate High School, doesn't even wear makeup, and has 354 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: a very small group of friends. But she's been missing 355 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: almost three full days now and the family is sick 356 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: with worry. Everybody isn't shocked because you know, she's so vulnerable. 357 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: She can't even go outside. She's receiving therapy just to 358 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: go outside somewhere. Despite dealing with many anxiety issues. Early 359 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: Sunday morning, fourteen year old Alicia Navarro left her home 360 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: near forty fifth Avenue in Bethany Home Road. She left 361 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: this note for her family. I ran away. We'll be back. 362 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: I swear I'm sorry. Alicia Luniez says she fears her 363 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: daughter is somehow involved with or was drawn away by 364 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 1: someone online. I want my daughter back. Please bring her 365 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: safe and sound. That's all I'm asking from. You know, 366 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: she's she needs her help. Don't take about and she's 367 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: so vulnerable. Please just fring her back. You're hearing Elisia's 368 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: mom begging for her return, joining me renowned psychiatrists out 369 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor Angela Arnold at angela Arnold 370 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: md dot com. Doctor Angela, What does it mean to 371 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: be under the spectrum or on the spectrum when when 372 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: someone is diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder? This is this 373 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: is a disorder which which is it's got? People can 374 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: have many different uh levels of this disorder. Okay. It 375 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: impacts the nervous system. There is a range and severity 376 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: of systems of symptoms, excuse me, that can vary widely. 377 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: Common symptoms include difficulty with communication, difficulty with social interactions. 378 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: Oftentimes they will of obsessive interest and they will exhibit 379 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: repetitive behaviors about and also just let you know, Autism 380 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: affects one and fifty four children in the United States today. 381 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: So when you hear doctor Angela Arnold that she will 382 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: wear the same clothes over and over and over, needs 383 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: help just to bring herself to leave the home to 384 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: function normally, what does that mean to you regarding her condition, Well, 385 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: what it means to me is she's she's got a 386 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: high level of autism, and she is a very anxious person. 387 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: So she needs everything around her to always be the same. Okay, 388 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: she's so anxious, Nancy, that the feeling of the clothing 389 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,479 Speaker 1: on her it bothers her. Okay, that's why she wears 390 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: the same thing over again. It can actually be because 391 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: of the way that clothing feels on her. I just 392 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: don't see a child like this who has never left 393 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: home before, never even discussed leaving home before, seemed perfectly happy. 394 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: It's very hard for me to believe this little girl 395 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: could devise a plan to leave her home in the 396 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: dark forever. I don't believe that, Doctor Angela, Well, oh 397 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't either. I don't think she devised a plan 398 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: at all. I'm quite sure that someone worked on her 399 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: and lured her out of the home, maybe to her backyard. 400 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: But I do not believe that she had any any 401 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: part in devising a plan to Sierra Gillespie Crimalline dot 402 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter. Earlier, we heard Jose Santiago mentioned there 403 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: had been sightings of her that did not pan out. 404 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: What can you tell me about those sightings? So, Nancy, 405 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: there were a couple of different people who came forward 406 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: to police and said that they saw her somewhere in 407 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,479 Speaker 1: the Glendale area, kind of near her home, but not 408 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: super close. There were two supper incidences, but I saw 409 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: people said that they saw Alicia walking hand in hand 410 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: with an older man, which could be a suspect in 411 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: this case. But again, those we kind of dried up 412 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: pretty quickly too. Jose Santiago, Glendelle PD. Jose, you heard 413 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: Trent Steel state that he, as part of his own 414 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: investigation with the Anti Predator Project, firmly believes she was 415 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: lured from the home and that it was a cultivated 416 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: relationship that someone had sparked with this little girl online. 417 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: Is there a way that you could capture her texts? 418 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: Are they in the eye cloud? Is there any way 419 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: to was her phone pay? I mean, what can you 420 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,479 Speaker 1: tell me about that avenue? The forensic avenue of her phone. 421 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: What I can tell you is that once again, her 422 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: cell phone and her laptop have not turned on since 423 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: the night because she disappeared from her home. That said, 424 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: we are in the process of working with different apps, 425 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: different social media sites to access as much information as 426 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: possible to see who indeed she was communicating with days, weeks, 427 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,719 Speaker 1: months prior to her disappearance. You know, it's important for 428 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: people to know that we are exhausting every means possible 429 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: because we want the best result possible for this family. 430 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: We know how difficult this is. We're getting close to 431 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: the one year mark, and Jessica, her mom, has been 432 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: over the top with this as far as her support 433 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: and cooperating with our officers in every way, shape or form. 434 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: We want what's best for this family. We want to 435 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: find Alicia, says Prime Stories with Nancy Grace, we are 436 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: talking about a gorgeous little girl missing from her own home, 437 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: Alicia Navarro. Take a listen to our friend Ryan Simmons 438 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: at KTVK CBS five Families say Alicia is not only autistic, 439 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: but struggles to feed herself. Day six of her missing 440 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: means day six without the things she needs to get by. 441 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: It hits me a lot, knowing that she's out there 442 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: and now receiving the services her medication. Across Glendale, missing 443 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: posters of Alicia plastered on the doors of businesses. Families 444 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: hope even the slightest minor of tips will help bring 445 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: Alicia home. Just get the word out there. I mean, 446 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: she's somewhere out there, my little girl, somewhere out there 447 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: at no Alicia's family say they believe she was coaxed 448 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: to leave her home by someone else. Police have not 449 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: commented or confirmed that yet. Joining me a special guest, 450 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: Alicia Kozak, you can find her at Alicia Kosak dot com, 451 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: who was lured from her home with her family there. 452 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: As she just said, between dinner and dessert at a 453 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: holiday meal, she vanished. She was gone for a long time, 454 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: held by her kidnapper. Alicia Kosak, thank you for sharing 455 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: with us. What do you advise from your point of 456 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: view having lived through this, for police and investigators to 457 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: do well. Alicia was heavily involved in gaming, and gaming 458 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: is a very It's an easy way to lord children 459 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: because you are playing a game with them, you are 460 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: already being a friend with that. So it's really important 461 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: to not only check those different apps, but to look 462 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: into the gaming platforms as well as the gaming forums, 463 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: so to hop on to discord and to stream and 464 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: to see who she was playing those games with, as 465 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: well as I keep stop them to have a fair 466 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: gaming convention at the time that this person could have said, Hey, 467 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: I there's a gaming convention in counter or stayed over 468 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: or wherever would you like to go. It's a birthday surprise. 469 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: You'll be home before whatever date, your parents won't even 470 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: know you're missing whatever. So that there's very, very clear 471 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: ways that she could have been bloored here. There's so 472 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: many vulnerabilities, and that's what a predator is seeking to do. 473 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: They are looking for those vulnerabilities in order to exploit them. 474 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: And Alicia had them so clearly an upfront that it 475 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: would not be a difficult task to get to this 476 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,719 Speaker 1: child to do what you wanted her to do, and 477 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: to think that it was a good choice for her, 478 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: that it was fun, that it was something that would 479 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: bring about a good outcome for her, when in reality 480 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: she is now still missing a almost a year. Leader 481 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: Trent still with a president, National Director Investigative Operations Anti 482 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:30,959 Speaker 1: Predator Project dot Org. Trent, you heard Alicia Kozak state 483 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: that Alicia Navarro was a gamer, she loved to play 484 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: games online. What games did she play? Trent, Well, we 485 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: are aware that she was a gamer, and because the 486 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: games that she was playing are heavily involved in our investigation. 487 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: And I don't know if I lend lpd's looking at 488 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: them or not. I'm not going to disclose specifically what 489 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: games and what gaming platforms we're looking at. All I 490 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: can do is confirm that they we are aware that 491 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: and we are looking okay as they Santiago, do you 492 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: know the game so I can warn other parents about 493 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: it that she was playing? Do you know? In unison 494 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: with Trent, we are keeping that information just because it 495 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: would hinder the investigation, and so we are just looking 496 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: into everything that we could find on not only her phone, 497 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: but as well as her laptop as well. Alicia. Because 498 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: that you stated that Alicia Navarro play games like my 499 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: son does. What games are you referring to, Alicia? Well, 500 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: any in all games can be a risk. Any game 501 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: that has any connection to anybody can be a risk. 502 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: And there are so many that children play. It's not 503 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: a specific game, it is one. It's usually one that 504 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: is popular because that's where the kids are, so that's 505 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: where the predators are seeking children. But what is interesting 506 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: is that when it comes to gaming, it's likely that 507 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: she was also playing with other people as well. So 508 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: there is hopefully a wealth of knowledge that law enforcement 509 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: is looking into, and that's really great. But it is 510 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: so important to be careful on all of these games, 511 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: to talk to your children about the fact that they 512 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: may be playing with somebody who isn't who they say 513 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 1: they are, and that it is such an easy way 514 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 1: to think. I said, to groom a child and just 515 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: to pretend to be that friend and to spend time 516 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: with them in a way that they feel safe and 517 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: comfortable and they're having fun. Grooming feels good, and grooming 518 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: feels fun in the beginning because this child is getting 519 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: what they feel that they need or that they're graving. 520 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: I know, Lucy's not anti gaming, but John David plays 521 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: and I hear as friends all talking. They talk about 522 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: one of them plays Zelda, one of them plays Fortnite, 523 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: one of them plays Roadblocks, Minecraft, all sorts of games, 524 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: and I go in and out of the room all 525 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: the time when he's playing one of one of the 526 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: games and say, who are you playing with? And I 527 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: know who they're playing with? Who's playing with? Because he 528 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 1: is only allowed to play with people he knows in 529 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,919 Speaker 1: real life, like at school. Take a listen to our 530 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: friend Jamie Warren at kay in x v ABC. Fifteen 531 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: Friday was Alicia Navarro's fifteenth birthday, but Alicia wasn't at 532 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 1: her own party. I'm happy through many tears, her mom, 533 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: Jessica Nunyez, sinks to her when she comes back, because 534 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: I have faith she's going to come back. She both 535 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: see how much she was loved and miffed. Nunez spending 536 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: the past week taping up flyers searching for her daughter, 537 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: who she says has autism and relies on medication and 538 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: the help of her family. She doesn't know how to 539 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,959 Speaker 1: be here by herself. Does that make say she doesn't 540 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: know how to take a bus, But Nunia says when 541 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: she woke up on September fifteenth, Alicia was nowhere to 542 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: be found. She says she left behind a note that 543 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: read I ran away, I will be back. I swear 544 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Nunia says the two never had a fight 545 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: and Alicia never mentioned she was unhappy. It was It's 546 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: just out of character for her. You know, I always say, 547 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: when you don't know a horse, look at the track record. 548 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: This child had never even gone missing at the mall before, 549 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: much less run away. You know, I'm very curious about 550 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: the medication to doctor Angela Arnold at Angela Arnold md 551 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: dot com. What type of medication would someone be on 552 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: for autism? You know, I don't think she was on 553 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: medication specifically for her autism. She may have been on 554 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: some medication for her anxiety. There are a lot of 555 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: there are other things that she could have been on 556 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: medication for, but there aren't really medications that you specifically. 557 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 1: You know, autism is a spectrum of disorders, okay, Nancy. 558 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: So when you are treating a spectrum of disorders, you 559 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: treat different symptoms that people are having in the disorder, 560 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: and people have different symptoms, okay. And so her medication, 561 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: I am quite sure was to treat one or another 562 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: of the symptoms that she was having that was under 563 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: her disorder of autism. But there's no medicine that we 564 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: give people that we say, oh, this will treat your autism, 565 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: right right, Okay, I understand. Listen to William Pitts KP. 566 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: N X twelve. Fifteen year old Elsia Navarro when missing 567 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 1: in September without a trace. She left a note telling 568 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: her mom she was leaving, but she would be back. 569 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: Elsia is on the autism spectrum, takes medication, doesn't do 570 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: well in social situations. Her mom says, Alicia could not 571 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: would not just disappear on her own. That was three 572 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: months ago. My mind would I would think that it 573 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: would take this long. She you know, has swore to 574 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 1: me and she was going to come back. In those 575 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: three months, Alsie's mother has had little updates. A few 576 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: possible sightings didn't pan out. She handed out flyers and 577 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: parking lots, anything to get people to look for Alicia. Today, 578 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: a quiet house on Christmas, Elsie's young siblings playing in 579 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: the next room, not really knowing what happened to their sister. 580 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: They just think she's lost and hopefully she'll find her 581 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 1: way back home. Elsie's mom has her own ideas about 582 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,399 Speaker 1: what could have happened. Alicia ran away, she met someone 583 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: on the internet. All the fears a parent can have, 584 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 1: and on a day that's supposed to be about family, 585 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: this family isn't whole. She could be anywhere in my heart. 586 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: I want to believe that she's okay. I'm never going 587 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,439 Speaker 1: to lose that whole Help us bring Alicia Navarro home 588 00:38:54,280 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 1: Tipline six two three nine three zero three thousand. Thank 589 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: you for