1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun. From figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and seventy two. 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: For this episode and the next one, borring unforeseen developments, 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: Sarah and I are going to be interviewing each other. 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: I know you all know a lot about each of 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: us because we've blogged for a great many years and 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: talked about our lives. But hopefully we can come up 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: with at least a few things that you don't already 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: know about us. So for this episode, I'm going to 18 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: start interviewing Sarah. So you ready, I am ready? All right? Well, 19 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: the questions aren't that hard. This isn't really a gotcha 20 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: interview style program, but as some people remember, Sarah, you 21 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: grew up in the Philadelphia suburbs, not far in fact 22 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: from where I live, so I'm about four miles from 23 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: your parents, I believe at this point. But since you 24 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: grew up in the Philly suburbs, what did you order 25 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: at Wahwah when you would go there? I'm going to 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: be so disappointing. I don't really think we ever went 27 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: to wah Wah really, oh gosh. But right down the 28 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: street from wahwa was Rita's water Ice and I went 29 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: there all the time. So is that like a good 30 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: that's a good substitute. So what was your favorite Rita's 31 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: water Ice order? Yeah? My favorite was and probably still is, 32 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: although we don't have a Rita's nearby to check it out. 33 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: Would be the lemon but with the vanilla custard like 34 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: layered with it. Yes, the jilatti or whatever they call it. Yeah, yes, yes, exactly, 35 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: very and I think Rita's is in more places now, 36 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: but it definitely got to start in Philadelphia. So yes, yeah, 37 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: just like Wawah. And did you have a Jersey shore 38 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: town that you guys would go to? Yes? I had two, actually, 39 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: so my best friend from camp their family used to 40 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: rent houses in Cape May, so I would go there 41 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: with her by myself, feeling like a really grown up, 42 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: like eighth grader or something with her family, and that 43 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: was really fun. And then my later, like more towards 44 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: the high school years, my uncle bought a house in 45 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: Avalon and so they still own it and it's like 46 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: their baby. And so that's when my family goes to 47 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: the Jersey tour, we stay at their house in Avalon. 48 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: It's it's lovely and I haven't been in way too long. Betime, 49 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: do you have any favorite boardwalk foods? I like the 50 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: samples of fudge, Like I've never actually purchase the food, 51 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: but like you just go get the samples and you 52 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,399 Speaker 1: never actually purchase, Okay, budge. When I mentioned this, I'm 53 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: thinking about like nineteen ninety three here, So this is 54 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: like the younger family goes to visit the beach and 55 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: they're like, walk in and get the samples and then 56 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: walk right out. The younger family has yet to experience 57 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: the Jersey Shore actually, so because I mean, we do 58 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: have a few few beaches that are i would say 59 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 1: arguably better in the Florida part of this country. Yes, 60 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: so this is you know as a as an eighth grader, 61 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: you would get the samples and then leave the fudge place. Yes, 62 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: peanut butter fudge, vanilla fudge. Yeah, you know those non 63 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: chocolate flavors I remember being a fan of, like the 64 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: maple walnut perhaps. And you know what, next time I'm 65 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: in the Jersey Shore, I will go and I'll buy 66 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: a lot of fund to make up for it that 67 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: in the saltwater taffy, right, like these are these are 68 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: both critical components. My husband likes that I do not 69 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: enjoy the salt water taffy, but he likes it a lot. Well, 70 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: speaking of your eighth grade self, Sarah, let's revisit eighth grade. 71 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: How would you describe your middle school self? Well, actually, 72 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: eighth grade was a huge improvement over sixth and seventh grade. 73 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: You know, I actually did a more reflection on this 74 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: question than any of your others because it was just like, okay, 75 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: trip down memory lane here, Oh my gosh. My two 76 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: words to describe my middle school self were not cool 77 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: and I had have really bad vision, and I had 78 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: the most hideous like coke bottle glasses you can imagine. 79 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: And right before eighth grade I was allowed to get contact, 80 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: So like my life changed totally significantly better. I was, 81 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, in retrospect, I was really late to go 82 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: through puberty, Like none in seventh grade, Like I don't 83 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: even think in eighth grade, maybe not even in like 84 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: really really late, and I think it every you know, 85 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm short to begin with, and to be short and 86 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: late means you're like extra short. And just I don't know. 87 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: I was playing my music. I was singing in the chorus, 88 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: which was like a great highlight for me. And they 89 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: had a really strong program in that, like we had 90 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: a you know, special chorus where you could go and 91 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: it was like before school, and it was a lot 92 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: of fun. And I played the violin and I had 93 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: my few close friends. But Hugh sixth and seventh grade, 94 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: like I would not go back there for any matter, 95 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: any particular memories of that time. He goes a quick story. 96 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: Oh god, I don't know I used to This is more. 97 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: I don't remember what grade this was. But I fell 98 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: asleep in class a lot and then like they would 99 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: bang stuff on the desk. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Well, 100 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: and I was a pretty good student, but not perfect. Yeah, 101 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: so yeah, all right, Well that's that's good to know. 102 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: Did you at that point have any idea of things 103 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: you wanted to be when you grew up? Ah? Yes, 104 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: so I've gone through a few iterations. I definitely had 105 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: a writer phase. I had a long psychologist slash psychiatrist phase. 106 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: I think I mentioned this on another episode way buried 107 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: in the Archives, But like, I watched the show Growing Pains, 108 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: and I thought the dad's gig was like the best. 109 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: He went into this office in his house and just 110 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: like talk to people all day and they seemed to 111 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: have a really great life. He supported his fans. So 112 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: there I was the budding psychiatrist, and I just also 113 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: thought that field was very interesting and cool. Then there 114 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,239 Speaker 1: was like a brief orthodonist phase. I think I clearly 115 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: was like looking for a secure job. Good daid okay, 116 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: And then to be honest, two of my best friends 117 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: in high school were like, oh, we're gonna be pre mad, 118 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, I'm as good as you, so 119 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm now pre mad. So yeah, and then I actually 120 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: did quickly consider becoming a child psychiatrist during my medical 121 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: school years. But then after my pediatrics it's called a 122 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: sub internship or you kind of practice being in that genre. 123 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: I was like, no, no no, no, I fit much more here. 124 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: I'm not patient enough to be a psychiatrist. So there 125 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: you go. What was your least favorite pre med class? Oh, 126 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: no question, organic chemistry. I don't know why I even 127 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: bothered asking that well. And I happen to be very 128 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: good close friends with If she hears this, she'll be 129 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,119 Speaker 1: I don't think she lists. But anyway, my other friends listened, 130 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: and she was valedictorian of our class. And she is 131 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: now a senior professor of organic chemistry at Harvard and 132 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: has won like nine million awards. And she would like 133 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: be like Sarah, it's okay. Like she tried to teach 134 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: me like I had like the best. I couldn't be 135 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: any better of a tutor, and I still couldn't do it, 136 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: Like I still hated it. My brain could not slip 137 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: the little shapes around. It was a disaster. I really 138 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: enjoyed chemistry. I liked physics. I did really well in 139 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: both of them. Organic like killed me. Yeah, but it's okay. 140 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: And when I took my MCAT, I I think I 141 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: just gave up in that area. I just assumed, like 142 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: my scores and the other things would kind of make 143 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: up for it, and I think it worked out. Yes, 144 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: it's an interesting idea of why, you know, especially a 145 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: lot of people who are providing sort of immediate community 146 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: care for various things needed to have done organic chemistry. 147 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: But I don't know. Every profession has a way of 148 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: weeding people out for whatever reason they intend to do that. 149 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: So when did you start running in all this? Because 150 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: that was relatively early on too, right, I ran. I've 151 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: always done some kind of running that I can remember. 152 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: My sport in high school was cheerleading. I still wasn't cool. 153 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: So don't get the wrong idea. Maybe you enjoined the 154 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: cheerleader squad to make yourself cool. Uh maybe No, I 155 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: actually I mean it was like the one sport where 156 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm because it was kind of 157 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: a combination of dance and you didn't have to like 158 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: have the hand eye coordination to deal with like balls 159 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: and stuff, and I liked gymnastics and so it actually 160 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: fit like what I was interested in. I don't think 161 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: it was eployed. I don't think I was fooling myself. 162 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: Was going to make me cool anyway. So I would 163 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: run as sort of like cross training for that, just 164 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: because our coach would like make us run, and then 165 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: I just felt like, okay, I had to do some 166 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: sort of like workout to stay in shape. And then 167 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: in college I would occasionally run. It was a beautiful 168 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: place to run. There's this like gorgeous three mile loops 169 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: that goes kind of like behind the campus, behind this 170 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,239 Speaker 1: famous art museum, through the rolling forest, like just beautiful. 171 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: And so I would run occasionally, maybe a couple times 172 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: a week, certainly during the summer. And then med school 173 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: hit and it was very stressful and I felt like 174 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: I needed some kind of an outlet. And then I 175 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: met my husband. Well I didn't meet him, but like 176 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: I used to see him in the little gym in 177 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: the parking garage of our med school, Duke Parking Garage gym. 178 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if that still is a thing, but 179 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: it was. He would like talk to me while I 180 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: was on the treadmill and I'm like, no, I can't breathe, 181 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: I can't talk whatever. But I kind of gleaned he 182 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: was a runner, and then we started dating and then 183 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: you know, he still ran, and that definitely inspired me 184 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: to run more. I remember at the time his sister 185 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: was really into running and I kind of idolized her, 186 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: so I copied that, and then it definitely took a 187 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: fuel of its own. Although my first marathon I only 188 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: impulsively decided on because he was training for it, and 189 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: then like, I was trying to do longer and longer runs, 190 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: and he's like, why don't you just like try a 191 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: sixteen miler and see if you can like build up 192 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: to it and in six weeks or something, And I 193 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: did it and it was super fun and I really 194 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: just enjoyed. The thing I've always liked about running isn't 195 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: necessarily the running itself. It's like the implementation of a 196 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: plan and like the and the following and seeing yourself 197 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: improve and the goal setting of it. I mean, I 198 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: obviously that's kind of part of my personality anyway. But 199 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because I am so slow compared 200 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: to how I used to be, and I really don't care. 201 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: It's funny because if you had asked me, like fifteen 202 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: years ago, would you care if you ran ten eleven 203 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: minute miles? And I would be like, oh, now, it's like, oh, 204 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: I'm going outside whatever. Now our standards change as we 205 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: grow up. I'm shifting my questions around, because I want 206 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: to get to that with your planning thing. What was 207 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: your first planner? Well, I, you know, we had the 208 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: school planners, the ones that are like standard issue. My 209 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: very first planner that I played with, though, were these 210 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: giant hardback books that had the year. Okay, So my 211 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: dad worked at a continuing legal education firm, which digression 212 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: I feel has a lot of parallels to my current job, 213 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: except that I'm medical education, so it's kind of cool. 214 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: So one of his things that he had to do 215 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: was a lot of booking, and it was like the eighties, 216 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: and so his company would give me these blue hardback 217 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: books with a year on them and a page for 218 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: every day, I guess to keep their employees organized or whatever, 219 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: and they'd always have leftover ones, and so I would 220 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: get the years, the old years, so like if it 221 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: was nineteen eighty nine and it was totally nineteen eighty nine, 222 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: I would get nineteen eighty eight and it was blank, 223 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: and it was like, ooh, a whole year. And I 224 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: don't even know if I realized it was a planner 225 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: per se, because it was just like each a day 226 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: on each page, and it had the company logo on 227 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: like every single page and it was really ugly in retrospect, 228 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: but I thought it was amazing, and so that was 229 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: my first planner. I used to like draw all in them, 230 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: and I would play school with them with my sister, 231 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: and I was always just driven to like write a lot, 232 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: Like I enjoyed writing things down, and that must be 233 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: some sort of like heritable trait because I see my daughter. 234 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it could also just be the show write 235 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: a lot of things down, but like I can see 236 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: that she really enjoys processing things in that way. If 237 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: she gets mad about something, she wants to sit down 238 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: and like write three loose leaf pages of like dense 239 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: texts about what happened. And I think I was like 240 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: that too, So yeah, well that was my first plan. 241 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: So it's funny every family has, you know, those things, 242 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: Like you guys have giant piles of old year old 243 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: planners sitting in the house. Are there any other things 244 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: from like your family growing up that you, you know, 245 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: didn't think anything of at the time, but now you realize, well, wait, 246 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: not everyone does that. I don't know. Well, I mean 247 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: I I one thing and this is sort of I 248 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think I've realized how loud my 249 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: family until I, you know, went back or introduced others 250 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: to them, so I realized that yah. Yeah. And also 251 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: like my my dad loves to play music and he'll 252 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: play it pretty loud and pretty constantly in our used 253 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: to play in our house and probably still does, but 254 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: now he's the only one and my mom listening to it. 255 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: So so yeah, the volume of our household probably did 256 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: not phase me at the time because it was normal, 257 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: and now strikes me as fairly loud. There you go. 258 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: All right, let's quit, take a quick ad break, and 259 00:12:54,200 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: then I'll be back with more questions for Sarah. All right, 260 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: we are back. In this episode, I am interviewing Sarah 261 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: about her life, hoping to come up with some stuff 262 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: that even long term blog readers and listeners have not 263 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: yet heard. So we've been talking about her first planners, 264 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: about what her family did growing up. So what makes 265 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,599 Speaker 1: your perfect vacation? Like, if you're going to take a 266 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: perfect vacation, what would it look like? I'm going to 267 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: give two answers, because like there's the perfect non kid 268 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: vacation and the perfect kid vacation, and I'm they just 269 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: don't share all that media elements. So my perfect non 270 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: kid vacation would be to some kind of beautiful natural 271 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: setting where there's also a great degree of luxury afforded. 272 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: So I mean my fortieth birthday planned trip that didn't 273 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: happen because of the pandemic probably would have fit the 274 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: bill really nicely. I would want there to be lots 275 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: of time to just do nothing and maybe not a 276 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: lot of things nearby, so it's fine to just sit 277 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: around in the beautiful setting and read books and like 278 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: get a massage and then go out for a sumptuous dinner. 279 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: So that's that's my jam for my perfect vacation, and 280 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: of course perfect beautiful weather the whole time too, lots 281 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: of sun, not too hot, not too cold. Now my 282 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: perfect family vacation, like with the kids, I would say, 283 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: also beautiful natural setting, but with just lots and lots 284 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: of local things that are easy to get to and fun. 285 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure like where that you know would be, 286 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: So probably city destinations would make more sense because then 287 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: they're you know, you can easily take public transportations, So 288 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: maybe like Boston in the summer, staying at a large 289 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: a large rented cottage or something airbnb. Some rich family 290 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: that leaves their you know, their Piana tear behind during 291 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: the summer for some reason. And yeah, exploring things, doing stuff, 292 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: and then also having close family and friends in your bis. 293 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: Actually Boston would be great. That would be my ideal family. 294 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: It would make something to be a horrible vacation. Oh god, 295 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. Lots of things would make it horrible. 296 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I've taken a few vacations that weren't amazing. 297 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: It is always very disappointing to go somewhere that you 298 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: assume you were going to be spending most of your 299 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: time outdoors and then the weather's horrendous or constantly storming 300 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: or something like that. Vacations where you get sick are 301 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: pretty horrific. You know, we had been planning a cruise, 302 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: but I'm leaning towards canceling it because the idea of 303 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: like wondering if we've contracted COVID on a moving boat 304 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: in the middle of the ocean just doesn't sound good. 305 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: So very lot of can sanitizer I mean, even you know, 306 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: non COVID times the cruise ship. Though, it's far enough 307 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: a way that I thinking maybe like the rapid testing 308 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: will be so good by that point that like everyone's 309 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: you know, spitting in a cup before they bore, they're 310 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: doing daily tests. I mean, who knows. But no, I 311 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: don't know what like the word. I'm pretty open to 312 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: most most experiences. I like the vacations where you do nothing. 313 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: I don't like the vacations where you're trying to pack 314 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: in three activities per day, And in fact, I will 315 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: just bristle against that and be like, no, I'm doing 316 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: one thing a day, because that's how I roll. Got it, 317 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: all right, So what makes you happiest when you see 318 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: it on your calendar podcast? No, I'm just kidding. If 319 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: I see a day that's almost blank, that makes me 320 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: the happiest right now, because it's just so rare, and 321 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: it means that I can spend some time reading in 322 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: bed doing nothing. Even this morning, I kind of had 323 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: a little bit of a Of course, it always gets 324 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: filled up with stuff, doesn't it. That's kind of how 325 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: things work. But I will say the bank the blank space, 326 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: especially when it's blank space that's coming up soon, I 327 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: mean blank space three months from now. That I've learned 328 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: enough from Laura and from life that that means absolutely nothing. 329 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: But if you're like, oh, Monday's coming up and literally 330 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: I have nothing planned that is a really nice and 331 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: wonderful feeling that can be very good. So if you 332 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: had to switch careers now, I mean, we talked about 333 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: what you wanted to be when you grew up, But 334 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: if you, for whatever reason, found out you needed to 335 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: switch careers right now, what would you aim to transition into. 336 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, like I was just thinking, I 337 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: I have like the best job, Like I really really 338 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: like my job. I feel like I lucked into this 339 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: like amazing hybrid because I have just enough patient care 340 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: where it's like really fun and not overwhelming, and the 341 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: GME side fits me so well, and I just yeah, 342 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: So I don't know. I mean, I love you. I've 343 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: talked about this. I fantasized about the idea of like 344 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: writing or writing in the productivity genre or just sort 345 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: of a memoir type of a thing, or even like 346 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: playing with fiction, but that's you know, I don't really 347 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: have experience in that. I do obviously have sperience in 348 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: my blog, but very different. So yeah, I mean, my 349 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: ideal thing would be to find something pretty close to 350 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: what I'm doing now because I think it's a great fit. 351 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: But otherwise going down one of those pasts. Yeah, well, 352 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: it's not that you lucked into it. I mean, I remember, 353 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: I've read the Shoebox for a long long time, and 354 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: I remember the days when you were sort of overwhelmed 355 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: with the sheer volume of patient care, and that you've 356 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: made a conscious choice to pivot within your job, that 357 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: you have to take on more of that life. But 358 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: you also have to be in the right place at 359 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: the right time. And I'm very much on the younger 360 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: side for someone in the position that I'm in, and 361 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: part of that is just especially because I'm location constrained. 362 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: I would like to acknowledge and be grateful for the 363 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: fact that there is some luck involved, but it is 364 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: not luck that I've managed to continue to I think 365 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: do a pretty good job and hope to stay in 366 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: that position. That would not be luck excellent. So let's 367 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: say I was you know, obviously this podcast is about 368 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: combining work and family. Let's say I was one of 369 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: your residents and I come to you and I say, Sarah, 370 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking about starting a family in the 371 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: next year or two. What would you tell me. Well, 372 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: I've had sort of those conversations with residents and I say, yay, 373 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: that's so exciting. You should totally do it. We'll make 374 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: it work. Everyone can make it work in different ways. 375 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: Don't rush yourself into thinking about the logistics, but make 376 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: sure you put some deliberate thought into the logistics. But 377 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: I mean to me, it would be such a no. 378 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: There might be hesitation on their end, but it would 379 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: be met with total like embrace of the idea that 380 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: they feel ready to do this and that there are 381 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: pathways in place to be able to help make it successful, 382 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: whether they have a working partner or not. Particularly because 383 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: you're saying it's one of my residents, so I know that, like, 384 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, resources are not going 385 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: to be a terrible problem. They may not have a 386 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: lot of funds to cover tons and tons of extra 387 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: help during residence, but at least where we are there 388 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: is some subsidized daycare that is available, and I know 389 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: that if you know from experience being a fellow and 390 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: having a kid done thoughtfully, you can cover that. And 391 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: then you know that there's a big nice light at 392 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: the end of the tunnel that will make things more doable. 393 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: So I would encourage them not to wait. If they 394 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: feel ready, then we will work around that, and that 395 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: I am excited for that part of their journey, and 396 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: I'd want to make sure that I conveyed as much 397 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: support as possible, because I think the last thing anybody 398 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: needs is their supervisor kind of hesitating when they're presenting 399 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: their life's goals and desires. Yes, exactly, so an enthusiastic 400 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: yay rah. On the parenting front, is there anything you 401 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: said you would never do with your kids that occasionally 402 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: happens in the household? There's probably a lot. Genevieve definitely, 403 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: Like I was very strict with screen time with Annabelle 404 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: and completely not at all with Genevieve because it just 405 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: became reality that it made sense and it was kind 406 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: of like I had enough experience to know what was 407 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: going to make or break things in life. So that's 408 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: one I think. I always thought my kids would have 409 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: like a very strict bedtime because I heard about couples 410 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: that would be really proud of how like, you know, 411 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: their kids went to bed and they had nice couples 412 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: time or whatever. But that has not really been my experience. 413 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean, half the time, I'm going to bed like 414 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: two seconds after they are, but it wasn't like I 415 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: was going to have nice couples time even if they 416 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: were up earlier. And fun fact, for most people, when 417 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: your kids go to bed really early, they're probably going 418 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: to wake up earlier too. I know that some people 419 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: are going to argue with this, but like, really, that's 420 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: why time changes kind of work. Like that's why I'm 421 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: not on like there's no magic here. For a couple 422 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: of nights. You may notice, like in a baby that 423 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, waiting till late to put them to bed 424 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: causes a fitful night of sleep. I get that, But 425 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: for the most part, especially once you get past that 426 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: baby phase, if you put them to bed at seven, 427 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: they're not going to naturally sleep till seven. It's like silly. 428 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: So anyway, putting them to bed a lot later than 429 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: I maybe thought or sort of idealized the vision of 430 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: a good mother puts her children to bed early, and 431 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: I don't think there's much value to that. Yeah, those 432 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: are my main ones. I will say. I continue to 433 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: hate the influx of plastic toys into my house and 434 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: I still try to limit it, not because I think 435 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: the plastic toys are like gonna hurt the kids, but 436 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: more just I can't stand the waste and the environmental 437 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: impact and the clutter. So I remain I'm not strict 438 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: about it. I let it happen, but I still like 439 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: feel as much vitriol as I did in the beginning 440 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: about the pile of plastic toys. Some things never change. 441 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: If you don't want pastic garbage in your life as 442 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: a regular grown up, and then you have kids and 443 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: you don't want little plastic toy pieces everywhere as well. 444 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: So in terms of our causes, we are against plastic toys. 445 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: Let's say a more hopeful cause here, I am putting 446 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: you in charge of distributing a one million dollar charitable gift, 447 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: or you can make whatever number you want. Where does 448 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: it get? So I thought about this and then I 449 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I want this gift to go someplace 450 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: that I kind of understand, like that I could help 451 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: distribute it properly. And I think that you know, one 452 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: million isn't an infinite sum, but it could probably make 453 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: a really big difference in certain scenarios. So I would 454 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: use it to cover diabetes care costs in developing countries, 455 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: because there's this like insane gap between how children with 456 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: diabetes are cared for in the US, and then like 457 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: these islands. You know, I'm in Florida, so we kind 458 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: of get exposure to some of the island nations like 459 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: Haiti and even like Jamaica, and like they they don't 460 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: have it's the same disease and they're humans, and yet 461 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,239 Speaker 1: they don't have access to even like a third of 462 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: what you know, the Americans get, And like, don't even 463 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: get me started on how expensive it is here because 464 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: it's like that's still problematic, but in other countries they 465 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: could never even dream of having like an insulin pump 466 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: or the modern kinds of insulince we use now, the 467 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: things that can help kids with a disorder that they 468 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: did nothing to cause, and it strikes pretty randomly to 469 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: not like suffer and just be sick and anyway, so 470 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: that's what I would do. I would be in charge 471 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: of like an International Diabetes Care Fund to provide modern 472 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: diabetes care to kids who needed in countries where they 473 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: can't get it. Awesome. I recognize there's like nine million 474 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: other things I could have picked. So this was not 475 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: to like discount any other valid cause within our nation's 476 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: borders or anywhere, but this is kind of what came 477 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: to mind, is something that strikes me as salient in 478 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: my current stage of life and career. Yeah, well you 479 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: see something in your life that is a definite need 480 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: and that's a pretty big one. So there you go. 481 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: So just one more question for you. Do you have 482 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: any topics that you keep gravitating toward, like in your reading, 483 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: like when you're out, you know, seeing something that you 484 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: that's maybe not your normal life, but just like a 485 00:24:54,720 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: topic that always strikes you as interesting artificial intelligence. But 486 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: I'm probably not the only one. I mean, what is 487 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: it about artificial intelligence that you're like, Oh, I got 488 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: to read that article, just the idea, Like where are 489 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: we headed with that? I feel like it's such a 490 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: mystery and the pace of technology has been so rapid 491 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: and accelerating that like we could actually be in a 492 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: place within my lifetime where we have artificial intelligence that's 493 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: like beyond human capability or maybe not, or like are 494 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: there things that humans can do and we'll be able 495 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: to do always that AI will not be able to 496 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: effectively replicate. I mean I think about it all the time. 497 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: With respect to my career, we're going back to like 498 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: the medicine side of things, like couldn't a shoe robot 499 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: like kind of do pretty much like what I do, 500 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: like is a lot of it's kind of algorithmic and 501 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: picking up on patterns, And isn't that what computers do? Right? So, like, 502 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: will that happen within my lifetime? Would it work? Am 503 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,239 Speaker 1: I going to have to drive my own car in 504 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: like twenty thirty? I don't know. I'm fascinated, Laura says no, 505 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: she shook her head. Well, but I mean so I 506 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: think you know this is not the episode about me here, 507 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: But I'm just sort of thinking that, like you come 508 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: up with what you can do versus what the robot 509 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: can do. Now, the robot could take the inputs and 510 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: say this is what you know you should do as 511 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: the appropriate care for this person, but you the robot 512 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,239 Speaker 1: probably isn't going to give that good Like you know, 513 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: here's why it's important you need to follow this protocol. 514 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: And I understand that this is challenging for your family 515 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: and all that. The conversation that you would be then 516 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: having with the paper, I think it depends on how 517 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: good the AI is. Right, So if you have and 518 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: it might not look like a person, but it could 519 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: be a voice speaking with a very human tone. I mean, 520 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: I don't know you're right right now, we certainly don't 521 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: have that. Nobody wants to hear in a robot voice. 522 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: You have type one diabetes. The treatment options are but 523 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: like you know, if that's twenty twenty or maybe even 524 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: like twenty ten, or probably could do better than that 525 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,239 Speaker 1: right now if I had access to it. But like 526 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: twenty forty, I'm going to be sixty years old and 527 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: I could still be practicing. And like you know, again, 528 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: I see those asymptotic graphs that show like how much 529 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: progress we've made in the last twenty years. Maybe we 530 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: will have a shoe robot, which is fine because I 531 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: will have amassed plenty by then and I can just 532 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: quietly step away. Well what will you be doing? Do 533 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: do you think you'll retire around sixty or what's your goal? 534 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: I can program the robots, and I'm just kidding. I 535 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, this is a question I asked. 536 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: I don't right now, I do not. The only thing 537 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: that I'm like determined that I'm going to make sure 538 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: that is covered and not by me is overnight call. Otherwise, 539 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: I'm pretty happy doing some iteration of what I'm doing 540 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: I hope to get better and better at it and 541 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: more involved in different projects and research and leadership and 542 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. But I think I could 543 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: be happy doing it for for quite a long time. 544 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: And you know, it's funny. It's like if I'm pretty 545 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: happy doing it now and I have three kids at 546 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: home and it's still okay, like it'll be. I think about, 547 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: like what that would be like if I if my 548 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: kids were I mean, and I know you never stop 549 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: becoming a parent, but if they are in college and 550 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: engaged in their stuff or in the workforce, and all 551 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: I have to focus on is my job. Even if 552 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: I don't have the stamina I have at forty, you'd 553 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: think at sixty that it still would feel pretty doable 554 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: and exciting. And I think I would still want to 555 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: go into work every day. So I would like to 556 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: be financially independent by that point, so that I don't 557 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: need anything from anyone. If I'm asked to do something 558 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: that sounds terrible, I have the option to just be 559 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: like nope, But I don't see myself just like leaving. 560 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: I also think it'd be fun to do like a 561 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: tangential kind of wise person job at that point. And 562 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: what I mean is like, I've noticed that people who 563 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: work for the ACGMMY, which is like the regulatory board 564 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: of all the residencies, tend to be like prior program 565 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: directors in their sixties, you know, empty nests, flying around 566 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: telling people what's wrong with their programs. I feel like 567 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: that would be kind of fun. That would be a 568 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: good it would make sense, Yeah, a good good next act. 569 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: All right, Well, that's that's what we've got from Shoe. 570 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: So we're looking forward to the Shoe robot. We're picturing 571 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: her with her bottleneck glasses and then joining the cheerleading 572 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: squad and all the other great things we've learned in 573 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: this episode. So thanks Sarah for sharing all that with us. 574 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It was fun to be interviewed 575 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: by my podcast co host, and I can't wait to 576 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: return the favor. All right, Well, this has been best 577 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: of both worlds, and we'll be back next week with 578 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: more on making work and life together. Thanks for listening. 579 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com 580 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can 581 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has 582 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us 583 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: next time for more on making work and life work together.