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Speaker 2: This is rout Fresh Radio. I'm your host, Casey Smith.
Speaker 2: It is officially white Taill Hot Week. Everybody is going wild,
Speaker 2: including the big bucks. We have a big cold front
Speaker 2: coming in this week across the country and everybody is stoked. However,
Speaker 2: you still have to make the right moves. Let's figure
Speaker 2: out what those are. This is Retfresh, Let's go.
Speaker 3: Welcome to rut Fresh Radio, brought to you by first
Speaker 3: Light Gear. I'm your host Tyler Jones, and I've got
Speaker 3: another host here. His name is Casey Smith.
Speaker 2: Finally, dude, I actually get to do some work for once.
Speaker 2: Klein Joe has been holding it down the rough way
Speaker 2: to go. It ain't that much work. It's not unless.
Speaker 3: It's it's actually a lot of fun to get talk
Speaker 3: to all these people, especially when you got you know,
Speaker 3: guys like Jannis Ptellius on the phone with you. It
Speaker 3: could just you know, tell you just stories that you
Speaker 3: just key in on. Man. Somehow people like that can
Speaker 3: just hold your attention so well, you know, and he's
Speaker 3: been out there, you know, doing a bunch of stuff
Speaker 3: up in the Upper Midwest. We've got guys from the
Speaker 3: Midwest doing this. We got guys from the South this week,
Speaker 3: but everybody is taking rut vacations to the Midwest, so
Speaker 3: we wanted to have this week be a Midwest heavy episode.
Speaker 2: Why still radiates out from the Midwest for sure, it
Speaker 2: truly does.
Speaker 3: I love Texas.
Speaker 2: I mean, we have a rich hunting culture here for
Speaker 2: white tail deer especially, but I mean Iowa, Kansas, Illinois, Missouri.
Speaker 3: That's just what you think. And the beauty of those
Speaker 3: states man is like you can go hunt, you know,
Speaker 3: your your uncle's property. It's one hundred and sixty acres
Speaker 3: or public peace and you stand a chance of like
Speaker 3: a big, big deer showing up. But in Texas you
Speaker 3: kind of got to have some money to have, you know,
Speaker 3: most of the time, right, not all the time.
Speaker 2: But you can feel great about a forty in hour.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just a it's a different different and
Speaker 2: that's why it's cool. It ain't we ain't being critical.
Speaker 2: It is awesome, sure, and I hope we get to
Speaker 2: hunt there next year. Yeah, but it seems as if
Speaker 2: the cold front has pushed through. There's been some hot weather. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you made some choices bad according to hot weather, bad ones.
Speaker 2: Tell me about those choices time. Why do I have
Speaker 2: to tell everybody?
Speaker 3: It is? There's like thousands of people that are going
Speaker 3: to hear how dumb I am. No, no, no, So
Speaker 3: you you came home from a winter wonderland, my goodness,
Speaker 3: and with a nice buck and toe potentially man potentially,
Speaker 3: And then you know, we were fixing to get ready
Speaker 3: to go on our kind of vacation and uh, we're
Speaker 3: trying to figure out what date and you're like, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna spend a little bit time with
Speaker 3: the family and then go out this day. And I
Speaker 3: was like, I was gonna go a day before you. Well,
Speaker 3: I looked for my my E tag, but I was
Speaker 3: looking for the physical version of this E tag. It's
Speaker 3: what the EMS. I looked for like an hour and
Speaker 3: a half, dude, I was. I tore my entire house
Speaker 3: apart just my truck. I cleaned my truck pretty much,
Speaker 3: but I did and could not find the saying I
Speaker 3: was eating dust. I'm highly allergic. So I'm just sitting
Speaker 3: there just sneezing and throwing a fit, you know. And
Speaker 3: uh then I realized and finally I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: this is it an e tag. I've never done any
Speaker 3: tag before, so I don't know. Maybe so anyway, yes,
Speaker 3: I looked for that for a while. I got tired
Speaker 3: and I sit down and I look. I start looking
Speaker 3: at the trail cameras from this area that we're going,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, man, uh, there's like no daylight pictures
Speaker 3: of bucks and hardly even doze over the last like
Speaker 3: three days. And I start thinking, you know what, it's
Speaker 3: been pretty hot attally, it's it warmed up a lot
Speaker 3: after that cold front. And I mean in Texas it's
Speaker 3: been in the eighties, you know. And so I'm just
Speaker 3: sitting here thinking, man, let's just look at the weather
Speaker 3: and see when the hot streak ends, well the ends,
Speaker 3: you know Thursday for most of the country or whatever,
Speaker 3: is when Wednesday Thursdays when kind of that cold front
Speaker 3: starts to come in. And so I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: well I'll wait a little bit later to go and
Speaker 3: do some some hunting and lo and behold, instead of
Speaker 3: leaving that morning and hunting that afternoon, I decided to
Speaker 3: leave a few days later. Well, that next morning comes
Speaker 3: and you know, no big deal. I think you had
Speaker 3: just gotten home. I'm doing some work stuff. And then
Speaker 3: that evening comes around when I should be hunting, and
Speaker 3: there are some golden pictures of a Mondo eight point.
Speaker 3: There's a couple in there in daylight in the last
Speaker 3: few days. Yeah, so it's, uh, there's this thing, there's
Speaker 3: this thing, there's a there's a there's a slope that
Speaker 3: continuously goes up as it goes to the right on
Speaker 3: the graph, and it goes up until it starts going
Speaker 3: back down probably and like maybe maybe mid to late November,
Speaker 3: but it's going up right now, and it is it
Speaker 3: is rough movement essentially right and every day so like
Speaker 3: you have another you have another line that can cross
Speaker 3: this slope at any point and give you your amount
Speaker 3: of deer movement. And it's called weather, right, and so
Speaker 3: your weather can help at times, it can move that
Speaker 3: point up and down this this slope of deer movement. Right.
Speaker 3: So we got to the point where we're at the
Speaker 3: point now where deer movement is about at the peak
Speaker 3: that it can possibly be at on a standalone basis,
Speaker 3: and then you know, the so that the weather doesn't
Speaker 3: even affect this thing, and whereas like in the last
Speaker 3: few days's weather kind of still affected it because there's
Speaker 3: still not fully where the peak of that deer movement.
Speaker 3: So the X Y data point for later this week
Speaker 3: is real good because that's going to push it and
Speaker 3: the weather's gonna be good.
Speaker 2: So that's the that's the kind of the shining piece
Speaker 2: in this thing, is that your decision still might have
Speaker 2: been good because I just checked the trail camera. There's
Speaker 2: a brand new buck on there. Oh I don't know if
Speaker 2: you shoot or not. It's kind of young, but he's big.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, one shooter years old. For me,
Speaker 2: I guarantee you he's an eight point with long times.
Speaker 2: But that happens now. I'm just that's what I was
Speaker 2: getting to.
Speaker 3: I made a dumb point way too long, but like
Speaker 3: a good point way too long by being dumb. So anyway,
Speaker 3: the the the as the days go into November past
Speaker 3: that first week, even I think you just even despite
Speaker 3: weather being warm, you start to see And that's where
Speaker 3: we got to where you know, we had we didn't
Speaker 3: have quiet the rut influence and the testosterone influence to have.
Speaker 3: It just was a perfect story of me looking at
Speaker 3: cameras and then all of a sudden it's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: well it's the fifth or sixth or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: It's like it's time and they just show up anyway,
Speaker 3: even if it's seventy to eighty degrees or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, if you think Toder and I make good
Speaker 2: decisions or bad decisions or indecisive either way, if you
Speaker 2: want to hear more about what we think about the rut,
Speaker 2: we've been doing a Rut Q and A. We've got
Speaker 2: a ton of questions about the rut. So if you
Speaker 2: go check out the Element podcast, we just launched a
Speaker 2: brand new Q and A on that, and then also
Speaker 2: coming up soon, if you heard a little allusion to
Speaker 2: maybe a deer that might have went down up in
Speaker 2: the North Country on some public ground, you want to hear.
Speaker 3: That story, go check out the Element podcast as well.
Speaker 3: We'll get into that.
Speaker 2: But today we're going to get into some rut hype
Speaker 2: from a couple of guys around the country.
Speaker 3: Who are those dudes. Well, so we've got our good
Speaker 3: buddy read Struble, who's been on before at some point
Speaker 3: in this season. I think he was the first week.
Speaker 3: He sure was, and he he hunts that trifecta area
Speaker 3: of the US where they don't really know where they're from,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm talking about. It's like Indiana, maybe
Speaker 3: Tennessee was even in there. So he's he's actually killed
Speaker 3: him his first buck uh with a trad bow in Indiana,
Speaker 3: uh this week. So he's given us a report from Indiana,
Speaker 3: which is a state that you don't hear. It kind
Speaker 3: of flies under the radar a little bit, but it
Speaker 3: has the potential to have a big, big deer. In fact,
Speaker 3: I think the number two typical from last year, the
Speaker 3: number two typical in the world, came from Indiana, right.
Speaker 2: I don't remember, I believe. So do you know that
Speaker 2: there are some giants there. I talked to a guy
Speaker 2: a few years back that had a ranch there and
Speaker 2: or a farm whatever they call him up there.
Speaker 3: And monsters yep.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: We also have like I mentioned earlier, our good buddy
Speaker 3: Jannis Pitelis. He's been up in Wisconsin doing the Latvian
Speaker 3: thing up there and hunting them deer, you know, is
Speaker 3: that uh they call it Eastern Europe. Was that Wisconsin?
Speaker 3: No Latvia? Yeah, sure, it's I don't know for sure
Speaker 3: where it's at. There is a polka influence in Wisconsin, right,
Speaker 3: That's what I remember when we did when we put
Speaker 3: together the Illinois buck truck and we were real close
Speaker 3: to Wisconsin, there was bunchreal tell me that that polka
Speaker 3: music was big up there. Jake Hofer another good buddy
Speaker 3: of ours, who's one of those guys like Sam Hogan
Speaker 3: if you heard him last week. He is like just
Speaker 3: the humble, laughy guy that pretends like he can't kill
Speaker 3: here and then every year he ends up killing Mondo's.
Speaker 3: And he also has got his thumb on the pulse. Dude,
Speaker 3: Oh he does. He is tax show. Yeah, dude, I'm
Speaker 3: letting listen. If you know this guy, do not tell
Speaker 3: him Anything's okay. He will figure it out. He makes
Speaker 3: fun of us for finding all his spots because we have,
Speaker 3: but he will do the same back to you. So
Speaker 3: you got to watch that guy, Jake Hofer in Illinois. Man,
Speaker 3: he's got a good report. Killed a nice buck and
Speaker 3: then uh oh, Lay McNasty from Louisiana down south hanging
Speaker 3: out in the swamps getting mac nasty down there. He's
Speaker 3: been out hunting actually in the Midwest in Missouri, but
Speaker 3: he's now back in his I guess home state of
Speaker 3: Louisiana and he's doing some hunting around there. So he's
Speaker 3: got a good report for us from the South. Things
Speaker 3: are starting to pop off there as well. So we're
Speaker 3: gonna get all these guys on the phone and see
Speaker 3: what is going on all throughout the Midwest and there
Speaker 3: in Louisiana once again world famous read Struggle the man
Speaker 3: who first made the mullet popular. What's going on, dude?
Speaker 5: Man? That is quite the intro.
Speaker 3: What's going on? You just interviewing a guy who's killed
Speaker 3: a buck in Indiana? What about you?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, I'm just you know, been hunting really hard.
Speaker 7: Talking to a couple of Texas guys that are that
Speaker 7: are working hard right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got you got someboddies up there that are
Speaker 3: from Texas and y'all been deer hunting a little bit, right,
Speaker 3: has it been?
Speaker 5: Yes, sir, Yes, sir, it's been incredible.
Speaker 7: This weekend just was pretty much textbook is hard a
Speaker 7: pre rudders who could get cold fronts, you know, real
Speaker 7: cold in the morning, good even sits warm up up.
Speaker 7: And basically we had deer around us Saturday morning, saw
Speaker 7: five deer, three bucks.
Speaker 5: Two those I killed my buck on that.
Speaker 7: Evening, Saturday evening, and then we killed two more bucks
Speaker 7: yesterday morning on Sunday, the fifth in thirty seconds.
Speaker 2: That's maximizing right there. Okay, so we got to unpick
Speaker 2: this just a little bit. How Okay, that's a special
Speaker 2: thing to happen. What's the tactic because it had to
Speaker 2: they had to be kind of connected, right, what's the
Speaker 2: tactic that made that happen?
Speaker 7: Yeah, so, yeah, absolutely, So the three bucks are separating
Speaker 7: on two separate properties. But so mine was actually, you know,
Speaker 7: hunting on private land and my folks.
Speaker 5: Which was really cool. I killed my first buck with.
Speaker 7: Traditional equipment, and he was working. He's right mouth open,
Speaker 7: you know, working a bench and checking. You know, he
Speaker 7: stopped for I actually shot him while he was moving,
Speaker 7: you know, he basically never never really stopped. He's just
Speaker 7: kind of slowly trotting through and shot him at eight
Speaker 7: yards double lung, and he literally died in twenty yards.
Speaker 5: Never knew it happened.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was incredible, twenty literally with twenty Yes.
Speaker 8: Literally with twenty just oh man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, incredible. He didn't even know what happened.
Speaker 7: He stood underneath my tree and had the wobbles, you know,
Speaker 7: underneath me, and then did a death dive and died.
Speaker 5: It rolled down the hill at twenty yards.
Speaker 7: It was while my buddy from Texas who drove didn't
Speaker 7: sleep for thirty six hours, watched the entire thing happen.
Speaker 3: That's cool. That is cool.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, died right in front of his tree.
Speaker 10: It was incredible.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 7: So, yeah, he was working, you know, basically we're set
Speaker 7: up on a bench, expect with the wind in our favor,
Speaker 7: expecting him, you know, dear to be working that bench
Speaker 7: trying to catch a set of a hot dough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, essentially, So cruising bucks is the thing, and you're
Speaker 2: finding beach on terrain that do that. Or are those
Speaker 2: deer using the wind mostly or is it they're just
Speaker 2: coming in to a place they know does hang out
Speaker 2: or what's that look like?
Speaker 7: The three bucks that we've had less one of them.
Speaker 7: One was a little different than the other ones, but
Speaker 7: two were, you win, in their favor. They're working these
Speaker 7: benches in the morning. We had killed the one working
Speaker 7: a bench, you know, trying to catch those rising thermals.
Speaker 7: And then my buck was at the lowest bench on
Speaker 7: the ridge on the hillface and trying to pull those
Speaker 7: thermals down to them, and we were set up.
Speaker 3: Just belowing, gotcha, gotcha? So are they heading? Are those
Speaker 3: benches heading towards h food source or are they heading
Speaker 3: towards doe betting?
Speaker 7: Yeah, so the the one that both of them are
Speaker 7: coming from betting going to a food source was the
Speaker 7: travel root or vice versa. One was coming in one
Speaker 7: of the morning, so they're basically going to the food source,
Speaker 7: are coming back, and these benches are running from one
Speaker 7: to the other. And then the biggest of the three bucks,
Speaker 7: we rattled in and had him at I had him
Speaker 7: at twenty eight, and he swung to get our wind,
Speaker 7: buggered on us and went straight up the hillside and
Speaker 7: walked fifteen yards underneath of my buddy.
Speaker 5: His big, biggest buck of his life.
Speaker 7: And yeah, I killed with his grandpa's compound, an old
Speaker 7: eighty four oh night.
Speaker 10: So that was really really cool.
Speaker 7: It was an incredible experience and actually had to views
Speaker 7: a had to use a drone to.
Speaker 6: End up finding it.
Speaker 5: So we found it yeah, it was. It was very interesting,
Speaker 5: but it did work. He went seven hundred yards.
Speaker 7: It was a gut shot and found him seven hundred
Speaker 7: yards and went and got him.
Speaker 3: The No One waist up in your neck of the
Speaker 3: woods man, good stuff.
Speaker 5: No, yeah, yeah, exactly all means necessary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So in the next week, do you expect things
Speaker 3: to be very similar?
Speaker 7: I'm we've got the next couple of days just from
Speaker 7: trail cameras.
Speaker 5: We just pulled a couple of cams.
Speaker 7: Things are were really really hot for the over the weekend.
Speaker 7: I think it's going to slow down.
Speaker 5: For a day or two. But we've got a front
Speaker 5: coming in on Thursday, and I think this is going
Speaker 5: to fire up in this weekend. Is going to be
Speaker 5: really good.
Speaker 7: They're they're pushing hard, and I've noticed it's been a
Speaker 7: lot of younger bucks that have been pushing the dose.
Speaker 5: I don't know quite how many, you know.
Speaker 7: I haven't seen a Doe and heat with five bucks
Speaker 7: chasing their by any means yet, but I think there's
Speaker 7: mature bucks this week into this weekend.
Speaker 5: It's going to be when you.
Speaker 7: See the you know what everyone's looking for with a
Speaker 7: crazy I like to hear it.
Speaker 5: Man, So it's going to happen.
Speaker 2: You know, if you had to rank it on a
Speaker 2: scale of one to ten, what are you going to
Speaker 2: call it.
Speaker 7: I'm going to give the next two days a good old.
Speaker 5: Five probably, but I'm giving Thursday to.
Speaker 6: Saturday a nine.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a high number. Let's go. Well, appreciate it, man.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna put it put a
Speaker 8: hot number. I think it's gonna be good.
Speaker 5: We're going to see some big We're going to see
Speaker 5: some big ones get killed.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, dude.
Speaker 2: We'll congrats on all the success y'all are having up there, man,
Speaker 2: And I can't wait to see the next big book
Speaker 2: picture you send us.
Speaker 5: Yes, sir, appreciate y'all.
Speaker 2: On the phone, I have got Yannis poutell Us with
Speaker 2: meat Eater. He is in Wisconsin hunting up some whitetail deer.
Speaker 3: Giannie. What's going on, man?
Speaker 8: H I'm hammering, man, I'm putting my rut cation.
Speaker 11: Uh, it's gone from rut cation to the rout grind.
Speaker 3: That's what's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where is the pivot point on that exactly?
Speaker 8: I would say it's.
Speaker 11: Probably around days six or seven for me, I think
Speaker 11: I'm about nine days in, so I was, I.
Speaker 10: Was, I was.
Speaker 11: I was pretty high spirited all the way through that.
Speaker 11: But uh, I also hit a buck and didn't recover it.
Speaker 11: And so that's that's been a little bit of a low.
Speaker 8: Point, a little bit of a hole I'm climbing out of.
Speaker 11: But I got one day left and the weather's gonna
Speaker 11: be nice and cool, and the wind's gonna be calm
Speaker 11: in the morning. So I'm looking forward to hopefully one more.
Speaker 8: Day of good rut hunting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that's good. I'm sorry you didn't recover that buck.
Speaker 3: But that's bow hunting.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a very cliche thing to say, but
Speaker 2: if you are a bowhunter, you understand that for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you have a big time span there that you've spent
Speaker 2: in the woods. See, I'm sure you've got to see
Speaker 2: like the rut come alive almost, which is like a
Speaker 2: really great privilege. But what have the deer been doing
Speaker 2: the past few days there in Wisconsin?
Speaker 8: Uh, just the past few days?
Speaker 11: You know, when I when I shot my bot, he
Speaker 11: was on his feet at three point thirty in the afternoon,
Speaker 11: just cruising, just caughting across dough trails that led from
Speaker 11: a ridge down to h to a course to a
Speaker 11: standing corn field. And I knew I had a half
Speaker 11: dozen you know, trails going up and down from the dose,
Speaker 11: and a.
Speaker 8: Trail going across all of them.
Speaker 11: I figured, you know, some bucks would be cruising it,
Speaker 11: and sure enough he was at three thirty.
Speaker 8: Just about every day.
Speaker 11: This week, I've had all day activity of some cruising
Speaker 11: of some sort. Surprisingly, the only day that I've actually
Speaker 11: seen a buck with a dough was October thirtieth.
Speaker 8: Now that was the one day I saw.
Speaker 3: A big front. I guess, huh, one hundred percent.
Speaker 11: Like I got in here right when that front got here.
Speaker 11: I was probably I was one day late. I missed
Speaker 11: the first day of it. But now I was in
Speaker 11: the tree on the thirtieth, and yeah, they came by
Speaker 11: me right at first, like it was too dark still
Speaker 11: to shoot. But like I said, ever since then, it's
Speaker 11: been good activity.
Speaker 8: Almost all day long.
Speaker 11: I'm hunting the ridgetops mostly so I can have good wind,
Speaker 11: and they seem to be more active, more action up
Speaker 11: there in the mornings. My evening's up there tend to
Speaker 11: be a little bit slower, and so I've been the
Speaker 11: last few days. Aside from looking for that buck, I've
Speaker 11: been moving off the ridgetops and trying to hunt down
Speaker 11: closer towards the ag and the valley bottoms.
Speaker 6: In the evenings.
Speaker 3: You've mentioned the wind a couple of times, Johnas, what
Speaker 3: can you kind of explain the dynamic you have going
Speaker 3: on there? What hypothesis you have as to why the
Speaker 3: evenings are slower than the mornings or vice versa, or
Speaker 3: what all's going on there? Exactly?
Speaker 8: Well, I wish I knew Yler. Maybe it's very hilly country.
Speaker 11: We've got about two hundred to two hundred and fifty
Speaker 11: feet of elevation relief between the valley bottoms and the
Speaker 11: ag and these ridge tops, and some of these draws
Speaker 11: and valleys aren't more than, you know, a couple hundred
Speaker 11: three hundred yards apart. And so when you get these
Speaker 11: anything that picks up over ten miles an hour, really
Speaker 11: when it comes across those rich and then it drops
Speaker 11: into these bowls, who knows what it's doing. I'm still
Speaker 11: trying to figure all that out.
Speaker 2: So this is country that you grew up hunting, rot
Speaker 2: This is kind of like your childhood deer camp. And
Speaker 2: I know just from talks with you you kind of
Speaker 2: came into archery hunting as an adult a little bit
Speaker 2: more so, how's your approach changed in that type of
Speaker 2: country as you kind of have to change or do
Speaker 2: change your tactics.
Speaker 8: You know, it's it's big woods country.
Speaker 11: We don't there's no besides the little bit of ag
Speaker 11: that's at the at the foot of the hills. Otherwise
Speaker 11: everything all that land, you know, the four or five
Speaker 11: hundred acres I have access to is basically just.
Speaker 8: All big mature oak forest.
Speaker 11: There's been some clear cutting done in there and some
Speaker 11: selective cutting, but for the most part you're hunting woods,
Speaker 11: and so finding the edge habitat, finding the funnels is tricky.
Speaker 8: It's it's not easy to do.
Speaker 11: So a lot of times the easiest thing to do
Speaker 11: is just fine where three or four riches come together
Speaker 11: and set up set up on the down wind side
Speaker 11: of that. But I'd say the biggest thing that's just
Speaker 11: changed from being just a kid coming up here rifle
Speaker 11: haunting to you know, now being a bull hunter is
Speaker 11: just having to you know, take that, take what you
Speaker 11: think about the deer movement in this country and just
Speaker 11: pinpoint it down to a place where you're gonna have
Speaker 11: a twenty yard shot.
Speaker 3: Are there any acrons falling?
Speaker 11: You know, it's funny because they're actually not because they
Speaker 11: have all fallen, But there are places where you will
Speaker 11: literally roll down the.
Speaker 8: Hill after ball bearings. We had.
Speaker 11: We had such a good acorn crop this year, a
Speaker 11: lot of them, actually, some of the like one of
Speaker 11: my spots I love to haunt.
Speaker 8: I call it the Oak Flat.
Speaker 11: It's just it's just kind of one of those ridge tops,
Speaker 11: but it opens up and it's eighty yards across and
Speaker 11: I walk that thing and it's pretty.
Speaker 8: It's just been picked clean.
Speaker 11: So the bears and the deer and the turkey ball
Speaker 11: been in there, are just hammering those acorns. So there's
Speaker 11: a few places where you can find a bunch of them,
Speaker 11: but the critters have been on them.
Speaker 2: Well, we have another cold front that's supposed to kind
Speaker 2: of move through the country over the next week, and
Speaker 2: I know that you're fixing to wrap up your hunt here.
Speaker 2: But as any good hunter, I'm sure you're sitting there
Speaker 2: thinking about just what might happen in the woods going forward.
Speaker 3: What do you expect the deer to be doing here
Speaker 3: in the next week.
Speaker 11: Well, it seems like with that cold front that the
Speaker 11: pressure is also gonna come up. And it sure seemed
Speaker 11: like over the last week when that pressure was high,
Speaker 11: there was a little bit more movement than when it
Speaker 11: dropped off, which you know, I think everybody knows that
Speaker 11: they tend to move more when the pressures up. So
Speaker 11: that's coming with this cold front. So that's gonna be good.
Speaker 11: But I'd say in general, it's just gonna keep getting.
Speaker 6: Better and better and better.
Speaker 11: And I still think from today, which is the seventh, right, guys,
Speaker 11: this six or six or seven, it's been a long
Speaker 11: stretch for me. I feel like there's still gonna be
Speaker 11: two or three good days of just that, like good
Speaker 11: kind of seeking cruising activity until you start getting some
Speaker 11: bucks that are gonna be more into, you know, finding
Speaker 11: their dough and getting locked down, and then you're gonna
Speaker 11: get into that part where you're like, oh man, nothing's
Speaker 11: going on, But it's just because you're not in that
Speaker 11: spot wherever everything's going on.
Speaker 3: You know. So with all this in mind, if you
Speaker 3: had to put a number on it from on a
Speaker 3: scale of one to ten, what would you what would
Speaker 3: you like guess that the buck movement is gonna be
Speaker 3: like in the next week.
Speaker 8: Nine, the third game.
Speaker 11: I'm an eternal optimist and I've I've been hunting like
Speaker 11: a i'd say, like a six or a seven, and
Speaker 11: I just feel like it's just ramp It's gonna ramp
Speaker 11: up again with like you guys said this next cold
Speaker 11: front and so yeah, man, it's gonna be good.
Speaker 8: I wish I had more days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate the optimism, dude. And the comulatve score
Speaker 2: this week is like really high we're.
Speaker 3: Looking at it's.
Speaker 9: Like thirty eight.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's officially wattail Hop week, and we
Speaker 2: appreciate you being on to share the hop you honest,
Speaker 2: thanks man.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 3: Jake Koper is on the way to Iowa, but he's
Speaker 3: been in Illinois hunting big bucks in a state that
Speaker 3: has a lot of them sometimes, at least in the past,
Speaker 3: it has, Jake, Jake, you killed one recently, right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, man, I was fortunate enough to notch my Illinois
Speaker 9: tag on November third in the.
Speaker 10: Evening about five thirty.
Speaker 3: Golly, this is one last big one in Illinois.
Speaker 9: Now, for sure, one last, but there's still a few
Speaker 9: running around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's kind of early in the in the
Speaker 2: rut for the scheme of things. And I know you
Speaker 2: pretty well, and I feel like you usually you're kind
Speaker 2: of playing it safe and being conservative and slipping in
Speaker 2: on one a little later in the year usually. So
Speaker 2: I was just surprised that you went ahead and killed
Speaker 2: this early. Was there something that you really picked out
Speaker 2: on this deer that was like the tactic to go to?
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 9: I wish I could sound really smart and tell you
Speaker 9: all these different things I had figured out.
Speaker 10: But I was in Iowa, Honting.
Speaker 9: I hunted in Iowa for eight days, and I was
Speaker 9: in the stand Friday morning. I was like, man, I
Speaker 9: really feel like I can go back and kill a
Speaker 9: salader in Illinois over the weekend before things really frank
Speaker 9: off in Iowa. And so I packed up a ten
Speaker 9: o'clock drove straight to the farm. And November three has
Speaker 9: always been one of my favorite days. I feel that
Speaker 9: there's a lot of solid year covering some distance, and
Speaker 9: I did some work on this farm and ironically drove straight.
Speaker 10: To the farm.
Speaker 9: This is the first time I ever set up in
Speaker 9: this new mouse trap, and I worked perfectly.
Speaker 10: It was a deer.
Speaker 9: Governing some distance, not a deer that I had around
Speaker 9: very often. I had some velvet pictures of them, and
Speaker 9: it was just a classic He was looking for a dough,
Speaker 9: I think, and there was some other good deer that
Speaker 9: started to show up on that farm. And I think
Speaker 9: one of the biggest challenges this year is being there
Speaker 9: before it happens. And there was just the inkling of
Speaker 9: information that things were.
Speaker 10: Starting to get really good there.
Speaker 9: So I drove straight there and read the script twenty
Speaker 9: yards and had an Illinois buck down after like three
Speaker 9: out person in the blind there. So it was one
Speaker 9: of those weird things that doesn't work out often, but
Speaker 9: holy cow, what it does?
Speaker 10: You feel kind of smart?
Speaker 3: M hey, can you explain what the mousetrap is?
Speaker 9: Absolutely so the mouse trap. So I got this farm,
Speaker 9: there was a blind on it, and it was a
Speaker 9: situation where you'd have to be access to the line
Speaker 9: wasn't ideal.
Speaker 10: You'd have to.
Speaker 9: Walk where the deer where they're vetted or probably gonna
Speaker 9: see you walk in. You have to walk straight through
Speaker 9: the food plot and lay down a lot of grounds.
Speaker 9: And so what I did this year is I moved
Speaker 9: that blind and actually dozed into new access road just
Speaker 9: straight down this hill and I can slip right in,
Speaker 9: not even step foot into the food plot. And how
Speaker 9: the architecture of the plot, there's a really good pinch
Speaker 9: where your SHOT's gonna be fifteen to twenty yards and
Speaker 9: you're gonna see him coming. And that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 9: I mean, it worked exactly.
Speaker 10: How I imagine when I did it, and that's really
Speaker 10: rewarding just just see some of that work.
Speaker 9: Actually pay off and everything come together. It just fixed
Speaker 9: up for all the times where it doesn't work out
Speaker 9: yet you plan.
Speaker 3: Was that was? So was the deer eating in the
Speaker 3: food plot or was he cruising?
Speaker 9: He was cruising, Yeah, so he was cruising.
Speaker 10: I seen him.
Speaker 9: And when I saw him, I was like, man, this
Speaker 9: year is a big frame. And I was like, you
Speaker 9: kind of go through that archive in your brain as
Speaker 9: fast as possible as.
Speaker 10: You see him coming.
Speaker 9: And I was like, man, he's got a big frame.
Speaker 9: I think he's got a sticker on us too, I said.
Speaker 9: In the back of my mind, I was like, I'm
Speaker 9: pretty sure I had one in the summer that was
Speaker 9: like that, and it was. It was definitely in that
Speaker 9: deer and it was kind of funny I grunted at him.
Speaker 10: He was twenty yards.
Speaker 9: I probably shouldn't have run at him. I know there's
Speaker 9: a debate that you stop the deer or do you not.
Speaker 9: And I tried stopping him. I was already at full draw,
Speaker 9: and he whipped and looked square at me. And so
Speaker 9: he's looking square.
Speaker 10: At me, I'm not taking that shot. And then he
Speaker 10: started to quarter away.
Speaker 9: But it was still a hard quartering qu shot and
Speaker 9: I put it right right in his armpit.
Speaker 10: And you know, I didn't see him go down.
Speaker 9: And this is probably something this is probably timely information
Speaker 9: for everyone.
Speaker 10: I did not see him down go down.
Speaker 9: I got my arrow, and I felt it was a
Speaker 9: good shot, but I was a little concerned with how
Speaker 9: hard he was quartering too. If my shot was this
Speaker 9: two inches further back, he was probably gonna be a
Speaker 9: straight stomach shot. But it ended up being a heart,
Speaker 9: lung and stomach shot, and there was not a lot
Speaker 9: of lung blood or anything on the arrow.
Speaker 10: It was mainly stomach. So I backed out.
Speaker 9: Overnight, and then we got a dog, and then we
Speaker 9: found the deer. You know, really only hundred and twenty
Speaker 9: yards before I shot them, So we played it safe
Speaker 9: and it worked out for nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad that that went good for you. So,
Speaker 2: you know, going forward, that was like the first week
Speaker 2: in November. Right now we're kind of looking at somewhat
Speaker 2: the second week in November.
Speaker 3: Do you still feel like those deer.
Speaker 2: Are going to be on that seeking type of activity
Speaker 2: or would you think that guys might move in from
Speaker 2: the field edge and go kind of more to the
Speaker 2: thick stuff.
Speaker 10: I think now.
Speaker 9: It's probably the time where you want to start going
Speaker 9: to that big stuff. And a lot of the cameras
Speaker 9: I have on food sources right now, there's still some
Speaker 9: does in there, and there's some food sources that are
Speaker 9: quite a bit, you know, a lot less activity than
Speaker 9: maybe a week or so ago. And I have to
Speaker 9: imagine that now is the time to get in the
Speaker 9: classic down window vetting or really good.
Speaker 10: Pinch and log hours.
Speaker 9: And I think that's probably a really good tactic for
Speaker 9: right now to hopefully get an opportunity at a buck.
Speaker 10: You've been run it around season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sweet man, I'm excited to tell you the truth
Speaker 2: after talking to you about this stuff. If you had
Speaker 2: to give the next week a ranking from a scale
Speaker 2: of one in on buck movement, what would you give it?
Speaker 11: Man?
Speaker 10: So I would say historically, Ich.
Speaker 9: So November third, November tenth to my favorite days. Obviously
Speaker 9: November tenth is this week. So whether it's slightly biased
Speaker 9: from past experience, I mean, I'm gonna get this thing
Speaker 9: at nine out of ten. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 9: really good week.
Speaker 11: We have.
Speaker 9: We have this front rolling in and I think those
Speaker 9: really big deer are gonna start running around.
Speaker 10: I know it's dependent on the country, but in.
Speaker 9: Illinois, if you're listening, I would I would get a
Speaker 9: little aggressive, and I would go log some hours at eight, nine, ten,
Speaker 9: eleven and really enjoy it because it'll only be those
Speaker 9: days once this year, believe it or not.
Speaker 3: Mmm.
Speaker 2: Man, I love it, dude, Thanks for the report, Thanks
Speaker 2: for the hot Let's go Jake, kill a big one
Speaker 2: in an hour.
Speaker 9: All right, fingers cross, good catching.
Speaker 3: Up on the phone.
Speaker 2: I have got Louisiana's own lay McNasty. You might have
Speaker 2: seen him in some videos like how third grade Girls
Speaker 2: Fight and other things, but the dude is also a
Speaker 2: big buck killer.
Speaker 3: Man. What's going on down there in Louisiana?
Speaker 4: Oh, nothing much, just trying to wait on the big
Speaker 4: ones down here. I just got back from Missouri. Now
Speaker 4: I got to see if I can get it done
Speaker 4: in Louisiana.
Speaker 3: A hot dog.
Speaker 2: Louisiana is one of those places that has like quite
Speaker 2: a variety of rut dates.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 6: Oh, absolutely, So how.
Speaker 3: Do you time that kind of stuff out?
Speaker 2: You can you travel, like, you know, forty miles this
Speaker 2: way and hunt a rut in early November, and travel
Speaker 2: forty miles that way and hunt in late December and
Speaker 2: have a rut?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I actually believe you can.
Speaker 4: I haven't personally done it, not that I wouldn't, but
Speaker 4: I want to say I don't want to butcher it
Speaker 4: or be wrong about it, but I think up in
Speaker 4: northern Louisiana the rut might start a little bit earlier
Speaker 4: where I'm from. It normally we can kind of rely
Speaker 4: on the rut to happen around Thanksgiving, you know, like
Speaker 4: I can't count the times I've seen a good buck
Speaker 4: movement on Thanksgiving Day, and I actually killed one on
Speaker 4: Thanksgiving last year. And I want to say, in December
Speaker 4: that might be when bucks are running around down in
Speaker 4: southern Louisiana.
Speaker 3: And they all swamp bucks down there. That's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, so you've been out a little bit this week.
Speaker 2: What tactics are you kind of hitting trying to catch
Speaker 2: that pre red action?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Right now, I've been currently just wanting to see what
Speaker 4: the deer moved are doing right now. Most of it's
Speaker 4: just hunting creek bottoms where we know we've we've.
Speaker 6: Got good pictures of deer traveling through.
Speaker 4: But you know, right now, it's just been a lot
Speaker 4: of dough still with their funds, you know, and younger
Speaker 4: bucks cruising around eating. But we haven't I personally haven't
Speaker 4: seen much of even the early.
Speaker 6: Signs of the rut.
Speaker 4: But that's always the case around this time in my experience.
Speaker 3: Are you hunting food plots or acre trees or you know,
Speaker 3: oak trees or whatever? You know how you will? Yeah,
Speaker 3: what are you focused on? Well?
Speaker 4: On our lease that we have, we actually have a
Speaker 4: lot of success with I don't know if you've heard
Speaker 4: of them brand bags.
Speaker 6: We use a lot of rice bread, yeah, because.
Speaker 4: Man, that that we've we've been using this per Simon
Speaker 4: rice brand and it almost seems like that's just candy
Speaker 4: to the deer there. Strangely enough, I've got another spot
Speaker 4: I hunt to where brand doesn't work as well. So
Speaker 4: I don't know these theer just seems so accustomed to
Speaker 4: it here.
Speaker 2: So you have to keep that stuff up off the
Speaker 2: ground to where it then like it went or how
Speaker 2: does that work?
Speaker 3: We don't.
Speaker 6: I mean, we've never had a problem with that.
Speaker 4: If we do, where it does rain, like when you
Speaker 4: go to your stand, we'll just walk out and kind
Speaker 4: of kick out all the kind of solidified brand just
Speaker 4: to kind of let the fresh brand fall.
Speaker 6: But it's almost like.
Speaker 4: A gravity bag that to where it kind of keeps refreshing.
Speaker 3: Is Do you guys have percime trees in your area?
Speaker 6: I think we do, but not.
Speaker 4: I think I think I've kind of misheard what you
Speaker 4: were saying. I thought you were talking about just in Louisiana.
Speaker 4: I don't know if we have persimmon around where I'm hunting.
Speaker 4: We might, but I don't think i've ever seen one.
Speaker 3: Gotcha. Yeah, that was interesting because we did a test
Speaker 3: on that with flavored corn a while back, and persimmon
Speaker 3: did pretty well if I remember correctly in that video. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: we have persimmons around though, So I just wondered if
Speaker 3: there was some sort of correlation between that, right. But anyway,
Speaker 3: so you said the movement hasn't been You haven't seen
Speaker 3: hardly any rut movement. Have you seen decent just bed
Speaker 3: to feed, you know, normal daylight activity or is it
Speaker 3: mostly at night?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean.
Speaker 4: We've got two I call them our shooter bucks. They're
Speaker 4: two good deer ones, like a real tall browtie nine
Speaker 4: point and a good looking ten. But most of theirs
Speaker 4: has been night, but they have kind of come out
Speaker 4: and started feeding.
Speaker 6: I realized one of them came out at like.
Speaker 4: This was before the umb change the other day, but
Speaker 4: came out around like seven am to where if somebody
Speaker 4: was in the stand they could have got them before
Speaker 4: right after hunting shooting hours.
Speaker 6: But right now, I don't know that.
Speaker 4: It seems like we're in that stage right now to
Speaker 4: where now the bucks are kind of the big mature
Speaker 4: deer are kind of disappearing now because it always seems
Speaker 4: like right before the rut, your buck want to kind
Speaker 4: of disappear and stop coming to your food sources that
Speaker 4: we put out. So I mean, right now it's just
Speaker 4: been I think the last buck I saw when I
Speaker 4: went hunting, like I think two days ago, was like
Speaker 4: a good young eight. He was a big body deer,
Speaker 4: but I'm still not even seeing you know, deer open
Speaker 4: up scrapes around, But in my opinion, I think it's
Speaker 4: a matter of time, maybe within this week, before you
Speaker 4: start seeing all those signs like that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's what I kind of want to ask
Speaker 2: you about next is as this next week progresses, if
Speaker 2: you start seeing scrapes pop up and stuff, is that
Speaker 2: going to be something that you focus on?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 4: During that time, I feel like it's very common to
Speaker 4: kind of start seeing those cruiser bucks coming around and
Speaker 4: just kind of wait on them to check on stuff
Speaker 4: and you know all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: So looking forward then, I know you mentioned like Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: type rut, so we're still very much pre rut, but
Speaker 2: that's ramping up every day. If you had to give
Speaker 2: it a on a scale of one to ten, how
Speaker 2: do you feel like buck movement will be back or
Speaker 2: will be like over the next week.
Speaker 6: In my opinion, I would probably give it like a seven.
Speaker 4: Other people might disagree or agree, but I mean, I
Speaker 4: would think it would be kind of like that week
Speaker 4: to where you can really expect to see some different movement.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 2: Good time to catch a deer on his feet slipping for.
Speaker 3: The first time.
Speaker 6: Huh yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 3: Cool man. Well, hey, I really appreciate the report.
Speaker 2: It's cool to get to talk to somebody from Louisiana
Speaker 2: and keep it up day.
Speaker 3: To look forward to some big buck pictures.
Speaker 6: Awesome. I appreciate y'all getting in touch with me.
Speaker 2: As we said before, the hype is real. It is
Speaker 2: the second week in November. There is nowhere else you
Speaker 2: should be except maybe your own wedding or the birth
Speaker 2: of your child. Get in the woods right now because
Speaker 2: the deer are going crazy all across the country. Tyler Jones,
Speaker 2: my associate right here, my friend, my hunting partner, my buddy,
Speaker 2: has definitely got his tab on the white tail end.
Speaker 2: I do believe that Tyler Jones' feet. You're in an
Speaker 2: article this past week North American wat Tail potentially.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, try to pick a copy of that up.
Speaker 3: We'll put a link to that in the description.
Speaker 2: I think I think it's an online article or might
Speaker 2: be a hard copy.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think you're like center your buck is centerfold in
Speaker 2: that thing. Yeah, speaking of spotlight and things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sorry man, good, No, that's yeah, it was
Speaker 3: I was pretty surprised to find that out actually, but
Speaker 3: that that's pretty cool, man. I think I think that's
Speaker 3: pretty cool, you know. I mean, I'm gonna go get
Speaker 3: me a hard copy because I think that the picture
Speaker 3: I saw on social was a hard copy, but that
Speaker 3: would be sick. Yeah, it's pretty cool, you know. Speaking
Speaker 3: of articles, though they're on the Wired to Hunt feed
Speaker 3: or whatever you want to call it on the website,
Speaker 3: is a three day rut hunt plan from Dealing Tramp.
Speaker 3: It's an article. You know, three days is what a
Speaker 3: lot of guys get. Man take off on a Friday,
Speaker 3: hunt through Sunday, or take off on you know, Thursday evening,
Speaker 3: hunt Friday, Saturday, Sunday. That's what you got. So there's
Speaker 3: three day rut hunt plan article there. It might help
Speaker 3: you out, give you some thoughts, some creative juices, get
Speaker 3: them flowing. And then also, we released a video on
Speaker 3: the Mediator channel just now. If you're listening to this,
Speaker 3: it's probably a day old or so, you should go
Speaker 3: watch the video. Case C is featured in this video
Speaker 3: as a guy smoking a big, old, just heavy toad
Speaker 3: of an eight million point animal out in Nebraska. It's
Speaker 3: an awesome video, little drama involved doing some new tactics
Speaker 3: that you've never never encountered.
Speaker 5: What you call it.
Speaker 2: Uncomfortable, but it's just you know, people talk all the
Speaker 2: time about getting out of your comfort zone, and it's
Speaker 2: good for sure, But sometimes I don't realize what my
Speaker 2: comfort zone is. I always think that like, oh, that
Speaker 2: just means like doing something harder. Sometimes it just means
Speaker 2: doing something a lot different than what you're used to.
Speaker 2: And I definitely did that on this hunt and had
Speaker 2: to kind of, you don't want to say, fly by
Speaker 2: the seat of your pants, but definitely make adjustments to
Speaker 2: what I was used to and.
Speaker 3: I can't toss.
Speaker 12: It was difficult for me too. I mean, shooting out
Speaker 12: of them things was wild. Haybail blinds. If you never
Speaker 12: hunted out of one, it's cool, but it's also it's
Speaker 12: also very particular the way things work out of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially with some guy running a big shiny lens
Speaker 2: behind you. There's not a lot of room and a
Speaker 2: lot of hot air in there.
Speaker 3: Breaths lots of breath anyway, man, thank you guys for listening.
Speaker 3: I hope you enjoyed it. We'll be back next week
Speaker 3: with more ret fresh radio reports from all across the country. Casey,
Speaker 3: let's go kill some big old bucks. Let's do it.
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