WEBVTT - The things you find amusing astound me sometimes (S3 E8 "Let the Games Begin”) 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:18.000 I am all in you, I am all in with 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:22.440 Scott Patterson and I heart Radio podcast everybody. Hey, Scott Patterson, 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.160 I I'm all in podcasts, I heart Radio one to 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:28.720 Live in Productions. I am joined by Tara, Tara s 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:33.120 Danielle Romo, Amy Sugarman, and we're here to talk about 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:37.760 Let the Games begin. Season three, episode eight. It was 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:41.040 a rip snorting affair. It was filled with Richard and 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.800 Emily and Emily and Richard and Richard and Emily and 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:48.120 Laurel I and Rory and Rory and Richard and Emily 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.159 and Laurel I. And it was like it was watching 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:55.480 it was it was like watching Martina Navratalova, Venus Williams 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.040 playing John McEnroe and Evan Lendel. It was the ball, 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:05.120 the ball, an important person, who who's important? Jess and 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:09.560 Jeff and and there's Jess, Jess, Yes, there's the Rafael 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:14.600 Nadal taking the court pound saying Hey, I'm over here, 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:18.480 I'm pounding the ball. I love it. I did it 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.200 was it for me. It was a very relaxing. Even 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:23.039 though there was a lot of drama and a lot 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:24.800 of back and forth, it was it was just really 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:31.240 comforting relaxing for me to watch this, UM great episode, 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:35.600 and I think it was Richard at his best because 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:41.320 he's just so so filled with excitement and energy and 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:45.800 he's wanting to help and and I really just took 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.080 the ride with him. You know, I really ask you 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:50.240 that right from the start before we start going through it, 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:54.360 in order for all of you to say, was Richard 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.120 right or wrong? I think they were both right and 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:01.000 they were both wrong, and I think that therefore they 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.400 were both right right. A wrong and a right don't 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.760 doesn't make it wrong. It makes it right in my 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:13.919 mathematical calculation. With interesting. Listen, I've got a chalkboard over 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:19.520 here if you'd like to know, Um, what's that guy's name? Pythagory, Pythagory, 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:26.320 Charlie Pythagoram. Yeah, that's him. He lives down the street. Anyway, UM, 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:33.280 I don't you gotta nobody trusts Laurela. I see her 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.639 point of view. She's pissed she didn't get trusted again. 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:41.600 She's treated like the red headed stepchild. And it's like Jesus, 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.200 when are you going to see me for who I 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:48.120 really am? And you are overstepping your bounds and you 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:52.000 are not collaborating with me. You are not liaising with me. 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.360 What on earth are you thinking about? I mean, it 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.840 even got to the point where where Rory got piste 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:01.320 at him, and that's big. She was the most right 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.200 because she wanted to She would have done it, but 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.079 she wanted to look right and she wanted to be prepared. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.040 So if everybody's right and wrong, she's the most right 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.400 saying tell me the truth. So I have the opportunity 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:16.480 to maximize. Listen, this is a big sleep train. Before 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.200 it gets too far out the station, let's do the synopsis, 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:24.120 all right, you got it? So this, like Scott said, 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.440 season three, episode eight, let the Games to begin air 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:31.400 dating November nineteen two, and the synopsis is after the 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.640 breakup with Dean Rory and just heat up the heat up, 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.400 they mean makeout. Richard convinces his family to go on 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.480 day trip to Yale, which ends up being a big 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:43.400 blowout fight with Loralai and Luke becomes extra protective or 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:49.200 over Rory because of Jess. That was a great talk. 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:50.400 A little bit more about this, and then we'll go 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.040 back to the beginning. Yeah, let's do it like a 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.880 chronological thing, because I think this, I think this warrants 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.960 it before we move on quickly Tara and Danielle. Who 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:01.760 was right? Who was wrong? I understand why Richard wanted 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.120 to do it, like it's his granddaughter and he wants 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.280 the best for her, and I feel like he wanted 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.880 that because he never got it from Laura La. But 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:10.840 I also think he was wrong that he just didn't 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:14.680 prepare Rory because she's so organized, she wants to be 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:16.760 her best, and he didn't give her that chance to 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.719 do it. So I'm a little bit on the fetes, 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:23.240 but I don't think anyone's completely wrong and anyone's completely right. 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.240 I will say half right, half wrong, but I'm going 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.919 to give him right because his intentions were super pure, 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:37.960 so I'm gonna say he was right. Great, all right, Okay, 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.400 so let's go. Here's the thing I loved about this episode. 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:44.000 We're really picking up almost immediately where we left off 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:46.160 from the dance marathon, because did you guys notice are 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:50.520 taking the sign down and her body hurts and it's 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:54.880 still Halloween. I thought about you the second episode started 0:04:54.920 --> 0:05:00.880 to can't escape the pumpkins, They're just there forever I 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:06.240 have one criticism, and I rarely have one I'm gonna 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:12.240 I'm gonna go. Did anyone think that Lauren Graham was 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:18.440 playing tired and in pain a little bit drunk? Maybe 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.279 she was? She were they serving alcohol? Wasn't drunk, but 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.720 were they serving alcohol? There? Just coffee? I don't think 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:26.479 they were serving alcohol. But I just think as she 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.560 was doing her acting like she was loopy, it was 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:34.040 almost like, you're right, Yeah, you're right, because she did 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.440 a lot of like arm Lay's type things, and you're like, yeah, 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.640 did that when you're tired. I know she's not drunk, 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.120 and I know she's like in pain and doing acting, 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.560 but a little bit I was like, this seems this 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:46.360 close to how she would play it if they were 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:53.640 like and Laura la is drunk? Uh? Interesting? Interesting? Yeah? 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:57.320 Maybe maybe I thought that whole scene was amazing though, 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:04.000 when she goes on account of three right room their 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:08.360 poor feet? Yeah good. So then they get into Luke's 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.520 diner and they say, like, I didn't remember Luke's being 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:16.920 add is that when Sean came in? Was that Kirk 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.520 came in with a trophy, with the trophy at that point, 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.520 at that point, he's just showing that sucker off. What 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.520 did you think I think he's funny. It was it 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.919 really needed that and it was funny and he's great 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.839 and I think I had a little what did I 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.760 have a little dialogue with him about getting all smash 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.599 it to pieces. It looks so violent sometimes, isn't he 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:43.920 threatening him? Best vote? And Jesus, I love it because 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:45.720 it sets it up for when you do it again 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:53.800 later in the episode. Hi Hi, Hi, by let's go by, 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.799 and then when you come back later in the episode, 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:07.440 Hi hi Hi. I mean right from the start, this 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.720 is a big Luke episode two. I mean we're seeing 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:13.720 Luke really evolved, Like he's just so much more prominent 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:19.400 in the show now than in the season one. Yeah, 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:23.560 I mean he's he's ranting and raven old Lukie ranting it, 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:28.480 her ranting it, Jess, He's doing his thing. Yeah, those 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:34.120 were really fond of those scenes with Milo. You know, 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.160 they were fun to do. They were just really fun 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:41.160 to do. It had a really nice flow together, you know. Um, yeah, 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:44.640 I enjoyed those scenes. I know Luke is all like 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:49.440 he is trying to be very like strict and tough, 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.560 but I think I just based off of like what 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:56.600 I can tell so far, he's such he loved Rory 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.240 and Jess together and the only one thinking that, Like 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:06.680 he's always like acknowledges it, he loves them together. Yeah, 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:08.960 he's like I think he's just so excited because he's 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:12.000 so excited will make Jess probably like a good guy. 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.440 Like he's like this is like Rory is going to 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:18.120 help Jess and kind of like, yeah, like I did good. 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:22.760 You know, Laura La has more surrendered to it, whereas 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.920 Luke is just over the moment jazz because I think 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.720 it gives I think he also probably feels it gives 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:33.480 him a better shot with Laura La. There's more chances 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.960 for them to connect and to discuss things, and you know, 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:40.640 it's it's it brings those two closer together as well. 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:42.840 So I think that's I think he's which is correct. 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.640 It does. They're already bonding more over it, right, and 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.520 they're not fighting over it. That was interesting too, as 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:55.199 they're having that conversation about Rory and Jess, even though 0:08:55.280 --> 0:09:00.520 she's sort of her you see her side now and 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.920 I think she sees yours a bit more than the 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.360 big fight they had over the car, right, But I 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.040 think that the stakes have raised, they have gone up 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:12.880 considerably because if there's any kind of conflict between Rory 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.199 and Jess, there's going to be conflict. There's going to 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:19.280 be misunderstanding conflict between Luke and Laurel I. So it's 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.880 a it's a smart writer's move, it's a smart plot 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.640 move here, um. But it does raise the stakes that 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.560 there is. It enhances the risk. It's a it's a 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.360 it's a risk on trade, as they say in Wall Street. 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:39.079 You know, it's definitely after we sort of get the 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.720 acknowledgement that that Luke and Laurel I know that Jess 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.599 and Rory are together. We go to the Gilmour's for 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.600 a Friday night dinner where we have the walnut catastrophe, 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:54.560 and Richard and and Rory are in the kitchen, and 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:56.440 that's where we find out about the Whippan poofs and 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.600 that they're going to go to Yale. So what did 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:04.160 y'all think there? Did you think that because Richard would 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.560 would Richard have brought that up? Had the walnut incident 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.640 not happened with the salads they would all have been 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.800 sitting at the table, would Richard Richard would have been 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.559 forced to bring that up at the dinner table? So 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.240 how would he have done it? So was that by design? Perhaps? 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.839 I don't know. I mean, and so Richard could get 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:25.000 her alone in the kitchen? I don't know, is it? 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.760 He's not that he definitely did want to have the 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.720 one on one time with absolutely, Yeah he didn't. He didn't, 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:33.600 you know he I don't think he would have brought 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:35.959 that up at the dinner table. So did they create 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.600 a situation where he could be alone with her? I 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:42.040 don't know. Interesting theory. Does anybody know with Frank Lloyd 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.600 Wright actually had that whole thing happened or was that 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.520 totally made up? With the fire and the getting locked 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:50.520 in that if it's if it's coming out of laurelized mouth, 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:54.480 then you can pretty much guarantee that that it didn't happen. 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.400 I love the Ri Fleischer shout out though, Do you 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:00.559 guys guitar and Danielle remember who he was? M hm? 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.520 So he was the Jen Saki, So you guys know 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.200 Jen Sack. So he was the Jen Sak of that time, 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.800 and he was the press secretary. So it was a 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:15.840 pretty funny reference. And then I have a couple of questions. 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:22.720 How beautiful are the flowers at the Gilmore's yeah. I 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:28.000 mean that's a thousand dollars worth of flowers in that 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:36.840 house fresh per week. Yeah, there are flower bills a year. 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:42.080 And they have a giant refrigerator. Is that a like 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.880 their kitchen is amazing? Because that was like the first 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.000 time we've seen them. Her go into the bridge to 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.040 get the soda and he's given her the chocolate. I 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:53.760 thought the whole thing was quite charming. I think he 0:11:53.920 --> 0:12:00.360 was doing and look not to not to give too 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:04.319 much way, but I think, you know, during the argument 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:08.000 with Laurela Yale, uh afterwards, a big blow up before 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:09.920 she walked away, I think he made a very salient 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.640 point about how many thousands of people apply for Harvard 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:17.439 and and why not have a good plan. B. And 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:21.959 she's pretty much already accepted because she's a legacy and 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.800 I've set this meeting up and it was impromptu, yes, 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.200 and I know that inconvenices everybody, But for God's sake, 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:32.520 he pulled a brilliant move. And she's in. She's for 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:36.840 all intents and purposes, she's getting accepted to Yale. That's 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:40.200 a what's wrong with that? Yeah? I feel like they 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:42.400 all should be a bit more open minded to Yale, 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.280 Like I get that her dream is Harvard, but like 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:49.840 almost no kid applies to one school. And he did 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.360 make another grade point. And Emily made a great point 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.480 to Laurela when she went and chased her when Laura 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.240 was trying to get the taxi she goes. Did it 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.199 ever occur to you that if Harvard knows that she's 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.079 accepted to Yale, she's more likely to get accepted to Harvard. 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.560 It's like play the chess game here, be strategic, stop 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:09.920 being so emotional. And it's very obvious, like be happy 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.480 to have Richard's help and get your kid into every 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.559 school and then she can pick. But she but he didn't. 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.400 He was wrong in how he went about it. You know. 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:23.240 Maybe that's because they've scared him. They made it so impossible. 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:26.679 And I'm not mad at them, it's rightfully so, but 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:30.040 they've made it so impossible. Sometimes I feel like Laura 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.440 Lai thinks that it's an attack from Richard. Instead of 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.640 being like, oh, this is his granddaughter and he wants 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:40.080 to do something good for her. You know, she takes 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:41.960 him more personally and more of an attack towards her 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:45.480 when I don't that's not his intention. He's not doing 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.480 this in spite of Laurela. Yeah, yes, that's such a 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:52.200 good point, Like getting getting a kid into Yale is 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:57.720 not a punishment exactly. It's not personal against you, Laura La. 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.920 It's not a punishment for you and your kid. It's 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.520 given your daughter a massive future. Should she just seize 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:12.240 the initiative? Um, But again, it's Richard's accepting who Laurel 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:16.480 I is. That she's not going to change, that, she's 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.320 not coming into the fold the way they expected when 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.960 these Friday night dinners were proposed to her. She's rebellious, 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.320 she's you know, she's doing her Henny Youngman routine or 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.360 Jackie Mason routine whatever there don Rickles routine. Really, I mean, 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.720 whoever you want to call it. It's not pleasant for 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.920 them to experience it. The sarcasm, the cutting comments that 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:41.200 just let wash over them. They can't trust her. So yeah, 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.400 there's a lack of trust between all all of them. 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.160 She doesn't trust them. So it's kind of a two 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.600 you know, it's two way street here, babe. So, and 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.200 the one thing that I didn't really like too much 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.000 was when Rory was like, oh, he's trying to manipulate you, 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.960 and it's like, you know when he's and do you 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:01.520 guys remember when you when laurelize I said that about Sorry, Yeah, 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.800 when Laura I said that about Rory or to Rory 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.880 about Richard that he's like trying to manipulate her. I'm like, well, 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.320 that's why I don't ask you. He's not manipulating her, 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.760 that's the question. Do you think he is manipulating her? 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.920 And I sort of think he's being fairly straightforward, like 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:18.240 I want you to see Yale again. Not not a 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:23.240 huge thing, Scott, what do you think? Like, man, God, 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:30.880 if we all had grandfather's that caring, you know, God? Lord, Um, yeah, 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:38.800 I just Laura Lai is not going to change. Richard 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.040 and Emily are not going to change. Nobody's going to 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.680 change in this equation. So they're going to have to 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:48.040 do things like this to get the result that they 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:52.320 want to do the best thing for that child. Um, 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.320 they probably know knew it was going to get messy 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.080 at some point. They knew it was going to go 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:00.760 off the rails. But the deed is done, she's accepted, 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.120 and then as we end the show, we see they're 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:08.040 both looking at Yale pamphlets. So yes, wow, wow, wow. 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.440 And also, did you guys pick up that lower Lisa 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.120 that she had wanted to go to Yale and she 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:18.760 was actually yeah, Richard tells the story on the bench 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:28.480 of her coming in and it's right. So Tara and 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:33.640 Scott and me poker face Danielle right now at this point, 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:37.080 where do you think she's going to go? Knowing just 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:41.080 what you know? Um, knowing what I know, I think 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.120 she's still going to go to Harvard, and I think 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.320 she's still like that's still the number one for her. 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.360 But the pamphlet flipping at the end made me a 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:53.200 little like, oh, shoot, maybe not, maybe not. It also 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:58.360 made me think, like that scene where Emily goes, we'll shoot, 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.320 she'll be closer to home. I was thinking, like she said, 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:03.680 that's a lorealize the lorealized, thinking like maybe my daughter 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.320 will be home. But also she just got back from 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.640 making out with Jess, so she's probably thinking like, oh 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.200 my god, this guy is is going to be close. Wow, 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.080 that's when and that's why it was funny that they 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:19.880 both looked at the pamphlets that night. Yeah. And then 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:25.119 and Emily had the most devastating line of that entire scene, 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:26.879 and By the way, if she goes to Yale, she 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:31.760 can live at home. It's like, Wow, they all have 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.800 an agenda. They all have an agenda, and I think 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.199 what they're not realizing is they're being so combated with 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.639 one another, where if they all joined forces, let's just 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:44.879 get this kid every possible option she can have, you 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.200 then evaluate it. You know what. The one thing I 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.320 would like to see coming out of the Gilmore's, because 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.040 I think she deserves it, is I think that they 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.920 should throw Laurel a party. I think that they should 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:03.480 give her ridiculously expensive gift. I think that they should 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:07.600 make a gesture right interesting. I think they should sort 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.960 of make up for what when awry. Well, I mean 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:15.000 they're intelligent people. I mean they're they want what they 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:19.480 want right as strategic as they are being, Um, why 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.919 not make peace with Laurel. Why not just say, you 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:26.880 know what, you've done a fantastic job. And if they did, 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:28.879 if they made a big gesture like that, then they 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.400 could go to her and they say, listen, Richard would 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.280 like to take Rory and everybody up to Yale, you know, 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.359 And these are the reasons why. Because she could live 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.960 at home, because Harvard may not accept her, and it'd 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.200 be easier if she got it. You know, if she 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.240 got accepted, Harvard is easier to get to. I mean, 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:45.720 if if I see what you're saying, you know what 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:49.639 I mean, do it that there wouldn't be any conflict 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.000 in it and it would have no reason to be 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.160 in a TV show that's compelling to watch. But it's 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.919 kind of what I want to gesture. She'll do the 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:00.920 same thing she did. Hear, all of this is manipulative. 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:05.920 You're the puppet master waste dark time, whereas just gonna 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:09.000 waste money. They're not seeing the forest for the trees? 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.280 Is that like the right saying. It's like how lore 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:15.240 La is right that Richard sort of manipulated the situation. 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.720 Oh funny, it's three o'clock and my buddy, you know 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:23.159 right here. But it ultimately this is just helping the 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:25.840 kid get into Yale. Let the kid get into Yale, 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:30.800 then decide where she's going. It's so simple. Yeah, And 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.040 that's the one thing that you know Richard is really 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:37.240 good at doing. He's not saying she has to go here, 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:40.719 or like she needs to continue the family legacy, she 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.480 must go here. He's just like, I want her to 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:47.440 see Yale because you won't show her otherwise. Yeah, she'll 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.040 ever know. Look those gifted kids that you know, they 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:56.359 get accepted to Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, Dartmouth, getting you know, 0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:02.000 M I T, Cambridge, Oxford, they get a accepted everywhere, right, 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.159 and they figure it out and then yeah, they have 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:07.320 the choices. And then one school steps up and says, listen, 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.040 we know you've been accepted by X y Z will 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.119 offer you this. You know, I just don't. Yeah, I 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.280 don't think there's a parent on the planet that would 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:19.159 be like, don't apply that to this awesome school you 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:21.640 might get into it. Like that just doesn't exist. Now. 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.320 Parents may say like, oh, hey, we can't afford that, 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:27.920 or a variety of reasons why a kid wouldn't apply 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:31.520 to a certain school. But Rory can afford to go 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:35.320 wherever she wants. Let her apply to everywhere. So the 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:37.280 fact that Laura Li is holding that back just doesn't 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.920 track for me. She's like she just because Laura life 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:44.359 feels erased, she feels like and I think she feels 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:49.080 really I think she blames herself for a lot of this, 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:51.800 and she just doesn't want to admit it because she's 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:55.440 so deeply entrenched. Her heels are so dug in over 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:59.520 the years, and she's pretty much justified. But she doesn't. 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:01.560 She's just can't let go. She can't let go. She 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:05.840 feels like there's I think being judged by your parents 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.880 makes a person very angry. So they're always judging her 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:11.760 and not trusting her and not you know, saying coming 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:15.120 to her first and asking permission, which is what she's 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:17.560 she's a mother, she's they always are treating her like 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.679 a kid, yes, and that pisces her off. And I 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:23.159 don't blame I don't blame her. She's totally justified in 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:26.800 having that reaction. So it's it's sort of supersedes, you know, 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.600 any of the benefits that could potentially go to Rory. Yeah. 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:31.600 I like you were right at the beginning when you're like, 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:36.439 they're all right, they're all wrong. Your math was a 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:40.520 little weird, but I get what You're right. Don't make 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:47.639 a wrong and that makes for great drama. Yeah, Yeah, 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.560 that makes for great drama because nobody's right, nobody's wrong. 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:54.560 There's also a second story in this episode that's amazing. 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:56.679 So we go back to the diner and This is 0:21:56.680 --> 0:22:00.760 when Kirk's like lost her, lost his true be lost her, 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:04.720 and you're like, what the she? But Luke was immediately 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:09.480 weird with Rory. I mean immediately she was weird with him. 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:14.360 He's weird. I gonna choose for girl. Now everybody's awkward. 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:16.600 I mean, did you feel the weight when they got 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.040 up into his apartment and they were standing, did you 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:22.000 feel the weight of, Oh god, what do we do now? 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:25.800 We we have the thing that we want, now we 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:29.680 don't know what to say to each other? Smooth? How 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:32.200 smooth was Jess because he was awkward, but he moves 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:36.560 towards her. He had a good he had a really 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.080 he had a really good line. You share. I'd really 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:40.640 like to get you a coke because I don't want 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:42.720 to stand here like a moron, you know, I want 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:46.439 something to do. What did y'all think, Danielle, what Scott? 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:49.800 What did you guys think of that first almost kiss? 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.200 That's not the kiss, but it's the almost. I love 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:55.119 love of love of love, and then especially with the 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:57.480 payoff at the end of the episode, but we won't 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:01.840 get there yet. But yeah, I I love the built 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:05.400 up anticipation and then, like Luke busting through the door 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:09.040 and catching them and they couldn't actually kiss, and I 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:12.000 it was so good. It was the first time you 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.840 see Jess kind of like giddy and shy and like 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:18.120 nervous around Rory, like he's like, oh, this is my shot, 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:22.159 so either not mess up this time. So wait, I'll enact. 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:24.840 I'll act it out. But one of the cutest moments. 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:27.359 And I've noticed this. Sorry my utant so lam today, 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:30.680 but uh, I've seen this episode a few times and 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:32.560 I noticed it every time. Did you guys see when 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:38.040 jessice on the chair it was justice And I don't 0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:40.040 know if he was directed to do that or if 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:44.280 he just Milo did it. It's such a cute moment 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:49.880 as he's sort of trying to like move closer, move 0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:53.640 this along. He's so adorable. And the hands on the chair. Yeah, 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.359 because it made me think several times when those two 0:23:56.400 --> 0:24:00.280 are together, like what do kids do when they're really 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:03.920 in love with each other? Well, they touch each other, 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:06.639 they make out. This is what they did. This is 0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:09.480 what is done. This is what everybody does. They want 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:11.960