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Speaker 1: Danielle Romo, Amy Sugarman, and we're here to talk about
Speaker 1: Let the Games begin. Season three, episode eight. It was
Speaker 1: a rip snorting affair. It was filled with Richard and
Speaker 1: Emily and Emily and Richard and Richard and Emily and
Speaker 1: Laurel I and Rory and Rory and Richard and Emily
Speaker 1: and Laurel I. And it was like it was watching
Speaker 1: it was it was like watching Martina Navratalova, Venus Williams
Speaker 1: playing John McEnroe and Evan Lendel. It was the ball,
Speaker 1: the ball, an important person, who who's important? Jess and
Speaker 1: Jeff and and there's Jess, Jess, Yes, there's the Rafael
Speaker 1: Nadal taking the court pound saying Hey, I'm over here,
Speaker 1: I'm pounding the ball. I love it. I did it
Speaker 1: was it for me. It was a very relaxing. Even
Speaker 1: though there was a lot of drama and a lot
Speaker 1: of back and forth, it was it was just really
Speaker 1: comforting relaxing for me to watch this, UM great episode,
Speaker 1: and I think it was Richard at his best because
Speaker 1: he's just so so filled with excitement and energy and
Speaker 1: he's wanting to help and and I really just took
Speaker 1: the ride with him. You know, I really ask you
Speaker 1: that right from the start before we start going through it,
Speaker 1: in order for all of you to say, was Richard
Speaker 1: right or wrong? I think they were both right and
Speaker 1: they were both wrong, and I think that therefore they
Speaker 1: were both right right. A wrong and a right don't
Speaker 1: doesn't make it wrong. It makes it right in my
Speaker 1: mathematical calculation. With interesting. Listen, I've got a chalkboard over
Speaker 1: here if you'd like to know, Um, what's that guy's name? Pythagory, Pythagory,
Speaker 1: Charlie Pythagoram. Yeah, that's him. He lives down the street. Anyway, UM,
Speaker 1: I don't you gotta nobody trusts Laurela. I see her
Speaker 1: point of view. She's pissed she didn't get trusted again.
Speaker 1: She's treated like the red headed stepchild. And it's like Jesus,
Speaker 1: when are you going to see me for who I
Speaker 1: really am? And you are overstepping your bounds and you
Speaker 1: are not collaborating with me. You are not liaising with me.
Speaker 1: What on earth are you thinking about? I mean, it
Speaker 1: even got to the point where where Rory got piste
Speaker 1: at him, and that's big. She was the most right
Speaker 1: because she wanted to She would have done it, but
Speaker 1: she wanted to look right and she wanted to be prepared.
Speaker 1: So if everybody's right and wrong, she's the most right
Speaker 1: saying tell me the truth. So I have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to maximize. Listen, this is a big sleep train. Before
Speaker 1: it gets too far out the station, let's do the synopsis,
Speaker 1: all right, you got it? So this, like Scott said,
Speaker 1: season three, episode eight, let the Games to begin air
Speaker 1: dating November nineteen two, and the synopsis is after the
Speaker 1: breakup with Dean Rory and just heat up the heat up,
Speaker 1: they mean makeout. Richard convinces his family to go on
Speaker 1: day trip to Yale, which ends up being a big
Speaker 1: blowout fight with Loralai and Luke becomes extra protective or
Speaker 1: over Rory because of Jess. That was a great talk.
Speaker 1: A little bit more about this, and then we'll go
Speaker 1: back to the beginning. Yeah, let's do it like a
Speaker 1: chronological thing, because I think this, I think this warrants
Speaker 1: it before we move on quickly Tara and Danielle. Who
Speaker 1: was right? Who was wrong? I understand why Richard wanted
Speaker 1: to do it, like it's his granddaughter and he wants
Speaker 1: the best for her, and I feel like he wanted
Speaker 1: that because he never got it from Laura La. But
Speaker 1: I also think he was wrong that he just didn't
Speaker 1: prepare Rory because she's so organized, she wants to be
Speaker 1: her best, and he didn't give her that chance to
Speaker 1: do it. So I'm a little bit on the fetes,
Speaker 1: but I don't think anyone's completely wrong and anyone's completely right.
Speaker 1: I will say half right, half wrong, but I'm going
Speaker 1: to give him right because his intentions were super pure,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna say he was right. Great, all right, Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's go. Here's the thing I loved about this episode.
Speaker 1: We're really picking up almost immediately where we left off
Speaker 1: from the dance marathon, because did you guys notice are
Speaker 1: taking the sign down and her body hurts and it's
Speaker 1: still Halloween. I thought about you the second episode started
Speaker 1: to can't escape the pumpkins, They're just there forever I
Speaker 1: have one criticism, and I rarely have one I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. Did anyone think that Lauren Graham was
Speaker 1: playing tired and in pain a little bit drunk? Maybe
Speaker 1: she was? She were they serving alcohol? Wasn't drunk, but
Speaker 1: were they serving alcohol? There? Just coffee? I don't think
Speaker 1: they were serving alcohol. But I just think as she
Speaker 1: was doing her acting like she was loopy, it was
Speaker 1: almost like, you're right, Yeah, you're right, because she did
Speaker 1: a lot of like arm Lay's type things, and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: did that when you're tired. I know she's not drunk,
Speaker 1: and I know she's like in pain and doing acting,
Speaker 1: but a little bit I was like, this seems this
Speaker 1: close to how she would play it if they were
Speaker 1: like and Laura la is drunk? Uh? Interesting? Interesting? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I thought that whole scene was amazing though,
Speaker 1: when she goes on account of three right room their
Speaker 1: poor feet? Yeah good. So then they get into Luke's
Speaker 1: diner and they say, like, I didn't remember Luke's being
Speaker 1: add is that when Sean came in? Was that Kirk
Speaker 1: came in with a trophy, with the trophy at that point,
Speaker 1: at that point, he's just showing that sucker off. What
Speaker 1: did you think I think he's funny. It was it
Speaker 1: really needed that and it was funny and he's great
Speaker 1: and I think I had a little what did I
Speaker 1: have a little dialogue with him about getting all smash
Speaker 1: it to pieces. It looks so violent sometimes, isn't he
Speaker 1: threatening him? Best vote? And Jesus, I love it because
Speaker 1: it sets it up for when you do it again
Speaker 1: later in the episode. Hi Hi, Hi, by let's go by,
Speaker 1: and then when you come back later in the episode,
Speaker 1: Hi hi Hi. I mean right from the start, this
Speaker 1: is a big Luke episode two. I mean we're seeing
Speaker 1: Luke really evolved, Like he's just so much more prominent
Speaker 1: in the show now than in the season one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's ranting and raven old Lukie ranting it,
Speaker 1: her ranting it, Jess, He's doing his thing. Yeah, those
Speaker 1: were really fond of those scenes with Milo. You know,
Speaker 1: they were fun to do. They were just really fun
Speaker 1: to do. It had a really nice flow together, you know. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I enjoyed those scenes. I know Luke is all like
Speaker 1: he is trying to be very like strict and tough,
Speaker 1: but I think I just based off of like what
Speaker 1: I can tell so far, he's such he loved Rory
Speaker 1: and Jess together and the only one thinking that, Like
Speaker 1: he's always like acknowledges it, he loves them together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like I think he's just so excited because he's
Speaker 1: so excited will make Jess probably like a good guy.
Speaker 1: Like he's like this is like Rory is going to
Speaker 1: help Jess and kind of like, yeah, like I did good.
Speaker 1: You know, Laura La has more surrendered to it, whereas
Speaker 1: Luke is just over the moment jazz because I think
Speaker 1: it gives I think he also probably feels it gives
Speaker 1: him a better shot with Laura La. There's more chances
Speaker 1: for them to connect and to discuss things, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it brings those two closer together as well.
Speaker 1: So I think that's I think he's which is correct.
Speaker 1: It does. They're already bonding more over it, right, and
Speaker 1: they're not fighting over it. That was interesting too, as
Speaker 1: they're having that conversation about Rory and Jess, even though
Speaker 1: she's sort of her you see her side now and
Speaker 1: I think she sees yours a bit more than the
Speaker 1: big fight they had over the car, right, But I
Speaker 1: think that the stakes have raised, they have gone up
Speaker 1: considerably because if there's any kind of conflict between Rory
Speaker 1: and Jess, there's going to be conflict. There's going to
Speaker 1: be misunderstanding conflict between Luke and Laurel I. So it's
Speaker 1: a it's a smart writer's move, it's a smart plot
Speaker 1: move here, um. But it does raise the stakes that
Speaker 1: there is. It enhances the risk. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: it's a risk on trade, as they say in Wall Street.
Speaker 1: You know, it's definitely after we sort of get the
Speaker 1: acknowledgement that that Luke and Laurel I know that Jess
Speaker 1: and Rory are together. We go to the Gilmour's for
Speaker 1: a Friday night dinner where we have the walnut catastrophe,
Speaker 1: and Richard and and Rory are in the kitchen, and
Speaker 1: that's where we find out about the Whippan poofs and
Speaker 1: that they're going to go to Yale. So what did
Speaker 1: y'all think there? Did you think that because Richard would
Speaker 1: would Richard have brought that up? Had the walnut incident
Speaker 1: not happened with the salads they would all have been
Speaker 1: sitting at the table, would Richard Richard would have been
Speaker 1: forced to bring that up at the dinner table? So
Speaker 1: how would he have done it? So was that by design? Perhaps?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, and so Richard could get
Speaker 1: her alone in the kitchen? I don't know, is it?
Speaker 1: He's not that he definitely did want to have the
Speaker 1: one on one time with absolutely, Yeah he didn't. He didn't,
Speaker 1: you know he I don't think he would have brought
Speaker 1: that up at the dinner table. So did they create
Speaker 1: a situation where he could be alone with her? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Interesting theory. Does anybody know with Frank Lloyd
Speaker 1: Wright actually had that whole thing happened or was that
Speaker 1: totally made up? With the fire and the getting locked
Speaker 1: in that if it's if it's coming out of laurelized mouth,
Speaker 1: then you can pretty much guarantee that that it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: I love the Ri Fleischer shout out though, Do you
Speaker 1: guys guitar and Danielle remember who he was? M hm?
Speaker 1: So he was the Jen Saki, So you guys know
Speaker 1: Jen Sack. So he was the Jen Sak of that time,
Speaker 1: and he was the press secretary. So it was a
Speaker 1: pretty funny reference. And then I have a couple of questions.
Speaker 1: How beautiful are the flowers at the Gilmore's yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean that's a thousand dollars worth of flowers in that
Speaker 1: house fresh per week. Yeah, there are flower bills a year.
Speaker 1: And they have a giant refrigerator. Is that a like
Speaker 1: their kitchen is amazing? Because that was like the first
Speaker 1: time we've seen them. Her go into the bridge to
Speaker 1: get the soda and he's given her the chocolate. I
Speaker 1: thought the whole thing was quite charming. I think he
Speaker 1: was doing and look not to not to give too
Speaker 1: much way, but I think, you know, during the argument
Speaker 1: with Laurela Yale, uh afterwards, a big blow up before
Speaker 1: she walked away, I think he made a very salient
Speaker 1: point about how many thousands of people apply for Harvard
Speaker 1: and and why not have a good plan. B. And
Speaker 1: she's pretty much already accepted because she's a legacy and
Speaker 1: I've set this meeting up and it was impromptu, yes,
Speaker 1: and I know that inconvenices everybody, But for God's sake,
Speaker 1: he pulled a brilliant move. And she's in. She's for
Speaker 1: all intents and purposes, she's getting accepted to Yale. That's
Speaker 1: a what's wrong with that? Yeah? I feel like they
Speaker 1: all should be a bit more open minded to Yale,
Speaker 1: Like I get that her dream is Harvard, but like
Speaker 1: almost no kid applies to one school. And he did
Speaker 1: make another grade point. And Emily made a great point
Speaker 1: to Laurela when she went and chased her when Laura
Speaker 1: was trying to get the taxi she goes. Did it
Speaker 1: ever occur to you that if Harvard knows that she's
Speaker 1: accepted to Yale, she's more likely to get accepted to Harvard.
Speaker 1: It's like play the chess game here, be strategic, stop
Speaker 1: being so emotional. And it's very obvious, like be happy
Speaker 1: to have Richard's help and get your kid into every
Speaker 1: school and then she can pick. But she but he didn't.
Speaker 1: He was wrong in how he went about it. You know.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's because they've scared him. They made it so impossible.
Speaker 1: And I'm not mad at them, it's rightfully so, but
Speaker 1: they've made it so impossible. Sometimes I feel like Laura
Speaker 1: Lai thinks that it's an attack from Richard. Instead of
Speaker 1: being like, oh, this is his granddaughter and he wants
Speaker 1: to do something good for her. You know, she takes
Speaker 1: him more personally and more of an attack towards her
Speaker 1: when I don't that's not his intention. He's not doing
Speaker 1: this in spite of Laurela. Yeah, yes, that's such a
Speaker 1: good point, Like getting getting a kid into Yale is
Speaker 1: not a punishment exactly. It's not personal against you, Laura La.
Speaker 1: It's not a punishment for you and your kid. It's
Speaker 1: given your daughter a massive future. Should she just seize
Speaker 1: the initiative? Um, But again, it's Richard's accepting who Laurel
Speaker 1: I is. That she's not going to change, that, she's
Speaker 1: not coming into the fold the way they expected when
Speaker 1: these Friday night dinners were proposed to her. She's rebellious,
Speaker 1: she's you know, she's doing her Henny Youngman routine or
Speaker 1: Jackie Mason routine whatever there don Rickles routine. Really, I mean,
Speaker 1: whoever you want to call it. It's not pleasant for
Speaker 1: them to experience it. The sarcasm, the cutting comments that
Speaker 1: just let wash over them. They can't trust her. So yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lack of trust between all all of them.
Speaker 1: She doesn't trust them. So it's kind of a two
Speaker 1: you know, it's two way street here, babe. So, and
Speaker 1: the one thing that I didn't really like too much
Speaker 1: was when Rory was like, oh, he's trying to manipulate you,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know when he's and do you
Speaker 1: guys remember when you when laurelize I said that about Sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when Laura I said that about Rory or to Rory
Speaker 1: about Richard that he's like trying to manipulate her. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: that's why I don't ask you. He's not manipulating her,
Speaker 1: that's the question. Do you think he is manipulating her?
Speaker 1: And I sort of think he's being fairly straightforward, like
Speaker 1: I want you to see Yale again. Not not a
Speaker 1: huge thing, Scott, what do you think? Like, man, God,
Speaker 1: if we all had grandfather's that caring, you know, God? Lord, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just Laura Lai is not going to change. Richard
Speaker 1: and Emily are not going to change. Nobody's going to
Speaker 1: change in this equation. So they're going to have to
Speaker 1: do things like this to get the result that they
Speaker 1: want to do the best thing for that child. Um,
Speaker 1: they probably know knew it was going to get messy
Speaker 1: at some point. They knew it was going to go
Speaker 1: off the rails. But the deed is done, she's accepted,
Speaker 1: and then as we end the show, we see they're
Speaker 1: both looking at Yale pamphlets. So yes, wow, wow, wow.
Speaker 1: And also, did you guys pick up that lower Lisa
Speaker 1: that she had wanted to go to Yale and she
Speaker 1: was actually yeah, Richard tells the story on the bench
Speaker 1: of her coming in and it's right. So Tara and
Speaker 1: Scott and me poker face Danielle right now at this point,
Speaker 1: where do you think she's going to go? Knowing just
Speaker 1: what you know? Um, knowing what I know, I think
Speaker 1: she's still going to go to Harvard, and I think
Speaker 1: she's still like that's still the number one for her.
Speaker 1: But the pamphlet flipping at the end made me a
Speaker 1: little like, oh, shoot, maybe not, maybe not. It also
Speaker 1: made me think, like that scene where Emily goes, we'll shoot,
Speaker 1: she'll be closer to home. I was thinking, like she said,
Speaker 1: that's a lorealize the lorealized, thinking like maybe my daughter
Speaker 1: will be home. But also she just got back from
Speaker 1: making out with Jess, so she's probably thinking like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this guy is is going to be close. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's when and that's why it was funny that they
Speaker 1: both looked at the pamphlets that night. Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: and Emily had the most devastating line of that entire scene,
Speaker 1: and By the way, if she goes to Yale, she
Speaker 1: can live at home. It's like, Wow, they all have
Speaker 1: an agenda. They all have an agenda, and I think
Speaker 1: what they're not realizing is they're being so combated with
Speaker 1: one another, where if they all joined forces, let's just
Speaker 1: get this kid every possible option she can have, you
Speaker 1: then evaluate it. You know what. The one thing I
Speaker 1: would like to see coming out of the Gilmore's, because
Speaker 1: I think she deserves it, is I think that they
Speaker 1: should throw Laurel a party. I think that they should
Speaker 1: give her ridiculously expensive gift. I think that they should
Speaker 1: make a gesture right interesting. I think they should sort
Speaker 1: of make up for what when awry. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: they're intelligent people. I mean they're they want what they
Speaker 1: want right as strategic as they are being, Um, why
Speaker 1: not make peace with Laurel. Why not just say, you
Speaker 1: know what, you've done a fantastic job. And if they did,
Speaker 1: if they made a big gesture like that, then they
Speaker 1: could go to her and they say, listen, Richard would
Speaker 1: like to take Rory and everybody up to Yale, you know,
Speaker 1: And these are the reasons why. Because she could live
Speaker 1: at home, because Harvard may not accept her, and it'd
Speaker 1: be easier if she got it. You know, if she
Speaker 1: got accepted, Harvard is easier to get to. I mean,
Speaker 1: if if I see what you're saying, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, do it that there wouldn't be any conflict
Speaker 1: in it and it would have no reason to be
Speaker 1: in a TV show that's compelling to watch. But it's
Speaker 1: kind of what I want to gesture. She'll do the
Speaker 1: same thing she did. Hear, all of this is manipulative.
Speaker 1: You're the puppet master waste dark time, whereas just gonna
Speaker 1: waste money. They're not seeing the forest for the trees?
Speaker 1: Is that like the right saying. It's like how lore
Speaker 1: La is right that Richard sort of manipulated the situation.
Speaker 1: Oh funny, it's three o'clock and my buddy, you know
Speaker 1: right here. But it ultimately this is just helping the
Speaker 1: kid get into Yale. Let the kid get into Yale,
Speaker 1: then decide where she's going. It's so simple. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: that's the one thing that you know Richard is really
Speaker 1: good at doing. He's not saying she has to go here,
Speaker 1: or like she needs to continue the family legacy, she
Speaker 1: must go here. He's just like, I want her to
Speaker 1: see Yale because you won't show her otherwise. Yeah, she'll
Speaker 1: ever know. Look those gifted kids that you know, they
Speaker 1: get accepted to Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, Dartmouth, getting you know,
Speaker 1: M I T, Cambridge, Oxford, they get a accepted everywhere, right,
Speaker 1: and they figure it out and then yeah, they have
Speaker 1: the choices. And then one school steps up and says, listen,
Speaker 1: we know you've been accepted by X y Z will
Speaker 1: offer you this. You know, I just don't. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think there's a parent on the planet that would
Speaker 1: be like, don't apply that to this awesome school you
Speaker 1: might get into it. Like that just doesn't exist. Now.
Speaker 1: Parents may say like, oh, hey, we can't afford that,
Speaker 1: or a variety of reasons why a kid wouldn't apply
Speaker 1: to a certain school. But Rory can afford to go
Speaker 1: wherever she wants. Let her apply to everywhere. So the
Speaker 1: fact that Laura Li is holding that back just doesn't
Speaker 1: track for me. She's like she just because Laura life
Speaker 1: feels erased, she feels like and I think she feels
Speaker 1: really I think she blames herself for a lot of this,
Speaker 1: and she just doesn't want to admit it because she's
Speaker 1: so deeply entrenched. Her heels are so dug in over
Speaker 1: the years, and she's pretty much justified. But she doesn't.
Speaker 1: She's just can't let go. She can't let go. She
Speaker 1: feels like there's I think being judged by your parents
Speaker 1: makes a person very angry. So they're always judging her
Speaker 1: and not trusting her and not you know, saying coming
Speaker 1: to her first and asking permission, which is what she's
Speaker 1: she's a mother, she's they always are treating her like
Speaker 1: a kid, yes, and that pisces her off. And I
Speaker 1: don't blame I don't blame her. She's totally justified in
Speaker 1: having that reaction. So it's it's sort of supersedes, you know,
Speaker 1: any of the benefits that could potentially go to Rory. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like you were right at the beginning when you're like,
Speaker 1: they're all right, they're all wrong. Your math was a
Speaker 1: little weird, but I get what You're right. Don't make
Speaker 1: a wrong and that makes for great drama. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes for great drama because nobody's right, nobody's wrong.
Speaker 1: There's also a second story in this episode that's amazing.
Speaker 1: So we go back to the diner and This is
Speaker 1: when Kirk's like lost her, lost his true be lost her,
Speaker 1: and you're like, what the she? But Luke was immediately
Speaker 1: weird with Rory. I mean immediately she was weird with him.
Speaker 1: He's weird. I gonna choose for girl. Now everybody's awkward.
Speaker 1: I mean, did you feel the weight when they got
Speaker 1: up into his apartment and they were standing, did you
Speaker 1: feel the weight of, Oh god, what do we do now?
Speaker 1: We we have the thing that we want, now we
Speaker 1: don't know what to say to each other? Smooth? How
Speaker 1: smooth was Jess because he was awkward, but he moves
Speaker 1: towards her. He had a good he had a really
Speaker 1: he had a really good line. You share. I'd really
Speaker 1: like to get you a coke because I don't want
Speaker 1: to stand here like a moron, you know, I want
Speaker 1: something to do. What did y'all think, Danielle, what Scott?
Speaker 1: What did you guys think of that first almost kiss?
Speaker 1: That's not the kiss, but it's the almost. I love
Speaker 1: love of love of love, and then especially with the
Speaker 1: payoff at the end of the episode, but we won't
Speaker 1: get there yet. But yeah, I I love the built
Speaker 1: up anticipation and then, like Luke busting through the door
Speaker 1: and catching them and they couldn't actually kiss, and I
Speaker 1: it was so good. It was the first time you
Speaker 1: see Jess kind of like giddy and shy and like
Speaker 1: nervous around Rory, like he's like, oh, this is my shot,
Speaker 1: so either not mess up this time. So wait, I'll enact.
Speaker 1: I'll act it out. But one of the cutest moments.
Speaker 1: And I've noticed this. Sorry my utant so lam today,
Speaker 1: but uh, I've seen this episode a few times and
Speaker 1: I noticed it every time. Did you guys see when
Speaker 1: jessice on the chair it was justice And I don't
Speaker 1: know if he was directed to do that or if
Speaker 1: he just Milo did it. It's such a cute moment
Speaker 1: as he's sort of trying to like move closer, move
Speaker 1: this along. He's so adorable. And the hands on the chair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it made me think several times when those two
Speaker 1: are together, like what do kids do when they're really
Speaker 1: in love with each other? Well, they touch each other,
Speaker 1: they make out. This is what they did. This is
Speaker 1: what is done. This is what everybody does. They want
Speaker 1: to get in a room alone and touch each other.
Speaker 1: That's what they did. That's great. Then what did you
Speaker 1: think of your lucks rules, Lukes rules. Um, I gotta
Speaker 1: say think it's a classic scene. I think it's a
Speaker 1: classic Luke scene where uh and I love the what
Speaker 1: he got some grapes and he popped a couple of
Speaker 1: grapes on his way out, and then he looked back
Speaker 1: and popped another one. And he was very proud of himself, right,
Speaker 1: because he really felt like like no, he he felt
Speaker 1: like he had one and that he was a good
Speaker 1: stepdad or whatever, good uncle. Right. He felt like, wow,
Speaker 1: I did something right. And and I corrected that, you know,
Speaker 1: when they're together and that I so I must have
Speaker 1: done something right because because because Jess is now you know,
Speaker 1: palatable to this very special girl and she even loves him,
Speaker 1: and wow, and and I don't think he's going to
Speaker 1: screw it up because I just you'll be on the chair,
Speaker 1: he's on the chair, you'll be on the tap. It
Speaker 1: was so good. It's like Luke wanting to be a
Speaker 1: dad and he got his opportunity and he you know,
Speaker 1: and he I don't know, that was a good thing.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting, like you didn't do that with Shane,
Speaker 1: Like you didn't give him all these rules other than
Speaker 1: the respect. You really wanted him to respect women, which
Speaker 1: I thought was a great moment in that episode. But
Speaker 1: you're coming guns blazing on on this because I think
Speaker 1: probably you don't want him to mess this up. You
Speaker 1: want to take care of Rory. You feel so invested
Speaker 1: and responsible for both. I mean, the sticks are high
Speaker 1: on this one. Just can't screw it up. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: that means that's his relationship with role Laurela too. This
Speaker 1: blows up his relationship with any future with Laura I
Speaker 1: could blow up, you know, but that that bad blood
Speaker 1: created between and those two, that's that's, like I say,
Speaker 1: it's a risk on trade on Wall Street, huge stocks
Speaker 1: in demand. So yeah, stakes are really going up here.
Speaker 1: And uh and I loved you know, I think all
Speaker 1: that tender stuff and that awkward and the almost first
Speaker 1: kiss and then Luke busts in and that's really all
Speaker 1: that scene was is set up for that scene, you know, Luke,
Speaker 1: Luke laying down the law. Yeah, yeah, I think you're
Speaker 1: right like that. It was sort of setting up that moment.
Speaker 1: Although the cuteness of them sort of I don't know,
Speaker 1: that dance moving closer and the way he touches her,
Speaker 1: he's so cool. I mean, there's just nothing cooler than either.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just or Milo, but but
Speaker 1: the way he moves. We want to see these people,
Speaker 1: these two characters in their world. They create this bubble
Speaker 1: world of love and want and longing and all that,
Speaker 1: but they exist in the world of rules and adults
Speaker 1: and people that will punish them. There are consequences. So
Speaker 1: the layers were were laid on quite I thought effectively
Speaker 1: and art artfully. So you know, so I apologize because
Speaker 1: I sort of we've we've skipped around a little bit
Speaker 1: in this episode, but I do think I want to
Speaker 1: talk about the scene where they're packing to go on
Speaker 1: the road trip and like how loyalized, like wait, where's
Speaker 1: your stuff? Like you've got to bring this, this, this,
Speaker 1: And then the coffee drinking car. That was a little weird.
Speaker 1: It was funny, but it was like when it's like
Speaker 1: Laurelized the most defiant person in the world, and she's
Speaker 1: sort of like bowing down to this ridiculous demand and
Speaker 1: having fun with it. I don't know, it was a
Speaker 1: little weird for me. It didn't seem like Laurel I
Speaker 1: it was just amusing. It was amusing, but we I
Speaker 1: think we touched on this a little bit, but the
Speaker 1: story we're getting from Richard and Emily. Richard had a
Speaker 1: different girlfriend and he says the funniest thing, like, don't
Speaker 1: tell the girls this, They'll think I was a lithario.
Speaker 1: And then Laura, you stole my father with fashion. But
Speaker 1: ultimately I love hearing about their romance, like he gave
Speaker 1: his men when Emily showed up to the frat party
Speaker 1: in the blue dress, like all those little Oh how
Speaker 1: cute was that? You guys? So when you propose, like
Speaker 1: right in front of what used to be a bench
Speaker 1: and was trash can and they both like lean over
Speaker 1: the trash can and give each other and kids, they're
Speaker 1: very sweet couple, like you really, as much as they bicker,
Speaker 1: they're so in love. I did think it was very
Speaker 1: telling when um, I forget if it was Richard or
Speaker 1: Emily that said this, but when Richard proposed and Emily
Speaker 1: just said fine. So Emily seems tall to me. I
Speaker 1: noticed a couple of things in this episode. Is the heights,
Speaker 1: because elect Sis is tall, but Lauren is so much
Speaker 1: taller than her, And then you realize Richard so ed
Speaker 1: Herman is so tall and then Emily is tall. They're
Speaker 1: all a bunch of tall people. I don't know that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. If Kelly's very tall, she'd just bring heels.
Speaker 1: I think she's five five. They must put her in
Speaker 1: heels because otherwise she would be so much shorter in
Speaker 1: Herman Well, yeah, he's six five and in heels, she's
Speaker 1: probably five six seven? Right? Did anybody else in this episode?
Speaker 1: And we still have some scenes to great down, But
Speaker 1: for some reason, in this episode, more than any I
Speaker 1: noticed Alexis eyes and Lauren Graham's eyes. They have the
Speaker 1: bluest eyes, and their eyes are the same, Like they
Speaker 1: really are believable mother daughter. Their eyes are so blue
Speaker 1: and exactly the same. Is it like that in person
Speaker 1: with them? Um, alexis definitely piercing blue eyes. Lauren, it's
Speaker 1: more green, They're more blue green. Yeah. Yeah, Like, did
Speaker 1: you ever have scenes with them where you're just like,
Speaker 1: WHOA their eyes? Um? No, no, I'm used. I'm used
Speaker 1: to their eyes. Yeah. Yeah. You can't really allow yourself
Speaker 1: to be distracted in a scene like that. They I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought Laura looked so cool in this episode, her hair,
Speaker 1: her fashion, the bag going across the leather jacket with
Speaker 1: the jeans and the T shirt like she just looked cool.
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Speaker 1: skip now to the gas station they're at gypsies? Obviously
Speaker 1: that was one of my favorite scenes. Um. I think
Speaker 1: in the entire of all the episodes I've watched, that
Speaker 1: set such a mood for me. And the music that
Speaker 1: was playing. I mean, it was a perfect meld of
Speaker 1: music and lighting and scenery and situation between those two.
Speaker 1: That was really that was filming. That was film, that
Speaker 1: wasn't TV anymore. That achieved a higher stature in my
Speaker 1: book because it's just that was like good film. And
Speaker 1: I also have to say, as many times as I've
Speaker 1: seen this I forgot that was going to happen. When
Speaker 1: Jess was like, I'm going to go get my part,
Speaker 1: Like it completely went right over my head. I don't
Speaker 1: know why. Yeah, I like and like lorealized, like you
Speaker 1: know where they are there together right Like that totally
Speaker 1: just went over my head. And I was like, any
Speaker 1: times I've seen this and I remember that was about
Speaker 1: to happen. He fully went over my head. Like when
Speaker 1: he came down, he's like, I gotta get a cart
Speaker 1: for the car, and then you say bring a receipt
Speaker 1: this time, like there that I did not get, Oh
Speaker 1: he's going to the meeting, but layalized like and then
Speaker 1: it's such a kind of a burn on Luke, Like
Speaker 1: here he was thinking he had done such a good job.
Speaker 1: You give me that receipt. It's too late. Just pulled,
Speaker 1: just pulled a dam. Yeah, and they have great chemistry.
Speaker 1: Obviously they did it in real life. So Milo and
Speaker 1: Alexis had great chemistry and did oh my god, Daniel,
Speaker 1: what planet did you? I didn't know you did it
Speaker 1: know a little while Yeah in the show in as
Speaker 1: they say mind is blown, My mind is blown. I
Speaker 1: did not know that. Yeah, they had chemistry for real
Speaker 1: this timeline at what year they did, and I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, at what point in Gilmore, like were they
Speaker 1: actually together? We have to like do some detective work
Speaker 1: and then we still wouldn't talk. Pretty pretty quick after
Speaker 1: he showed up, they started dating, so she was like,
Speaker 1: still with Dean. Not in real life, dude, No, I
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like real life. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: a real life. She is blurring real life. I got guitar.
Speaker 1: So she's saying was she dating Milo when Rory was
Speaker 1: still with Dean In the show, I was trying to like,
Speaker 1: daniel is trying to figure it out. Well, so I
Speaker 1: would guess so because they were together for four years
Speaker 1: before splitting in two thousand six, and this was two
Speaker 1: thousand two, so right around right now is when they
Speaker 1: started dating in real life. That's pretty much the onto
Speaker 1: the show. I was going to save the seven years. Also, hello,
Speaker 1: that kiss was freaking real. That's why it was so
Speaker 1: good because you're like, oh that was a kiss. Wow,
Speaker 1: you guys kiss I was today years old. That is
Speaker 1: really through me, And actually it makes it so much
Speaker 1: more exciting that you don't know Danielle, Oh my god, anymore?
Speaker 1: What do you see, you're just on the internet stages, yes, images.
Speaker 1: You know TV shows should require uh they're actors and
Speaker 1: actresses to date. They really should. I mean it would,
Speaker 1: It would create so much more buzz for the show.
Speaker 1: It also just makes it so real. Okay, So question
Speaker 1: for you, what did you make of the fact that
Speaker 1: she's having this amazing kiss with Jess literally like explosion
Speaker 1: and she runs off two Dean It it broke Dean,
Speaker 1: broke my heart. I mean, I I was in that
Speaker 1: position that was that was you know, as a kid,
Speaker 1: and it's hard and boy he uh he got run
Speaker 1: over by a Rory truck and she backed up and
Speaker 1: ran over him again and again and again, and he
Speaker 1: was devastated, that poor kid. And I felt really bad
Speaker 1: for him. And it's beautifully acted seen by him. Um,
Speaker 1: and I think to me, I don't know, it almost
Speaker 1: felt like character rehab, like we gotta do something to
Speaker 1: make Rory look a little better, and you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And so maybe they threw that in like
Speaker 1: this would be a good thing to rehab, rehab her
Speaker 1: character a little bit. I don't know. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: not mad at her, but I see what you're saying,
Speaker 1: Like as the audience were not upset. But but you're right,
Speaker 1: it did. It did sort of clean it up a
Speaker 1: little bit. You're like, oh, that was really sweet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely happy she did it for Dean because I
Speaker 1: feel like Dean at this point feels so duped, you know, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm such a fool, I'm such an idiot,
Speaker 1: and she is basically telling him no, no, no, it
Speaker 1: was real. It was real. Let me ask you, let
Speaker 1: me ask you this. Do you know how that scene
Speaker 1: made me feel? It made me feel a little angry
Speaker 1: at her because it felt like such a tease because
Speaker 1: when he opened the window and she started talking, you
Speaker 1: know what, she's because okay, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you gals this. Um. What do you
Speaker 1: think Dean if she went to the window and he
Speaker 1: opened the window and she had said, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: want to come back, I want us to be a
Speaker 1: couple again, do you think, ay, that's even feasible for
Speaker 1: a person to do that and be Do you think
Speaker 1: Dean would have said yes. I don't think he would
Speaker 1: think it would have said no, because he just knows
Speaker 1: that Jess is still there, Like he's not going anywhere. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's where I think the stronger scene would have
Speaker 1: come from. I think you're right. I think that see
Speaker 1: that's the that's the move if she was really I
Speaker 1: want to be careful how I say this, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people say, look, you're you're putting Rory on
Speaker 1: a pedestal. And she's not the perfect person. She's got
Speaker 1: a lot of flaws. What if she were was so
Speaker 1: smart that she went back to Dean and she said
Speaker 1: I want to come back, knowing full well that he
Speaker 1: would say no, and it would close. It would be
Speaker 1: good for him, so he could think, I don't think Rory.
Speaker 1: I don't also think she's she's one to play the
Speaker 1: Game's not day, it's not. It's been kind to Dean
Speaker 1: to give him because she's Look, if she's stronger and
Speaker 1: she's wiser, Um, you know, why not let him in
Speaker 1: a real life I would have liked to have seen it. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this doesn't make a great TV show, So I
Speaker 1: admit that her write him a letter or an email
Speaker 1: like that to me would be like the move where
Speaker 1: you're like, I just wanted to send you this note,
Speaker 1: you know, teared up? Delete it? What are you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, but I think for the sake of
Speaker 1: this TV show, she needed to go over there and
Speaker 1: say it. I also think she realizes, like, Okay, things
Speaker 1: are moving forward with Jess, this is happening, but if
Speaker 1: this is now going to be in Dean's face, I
Speaker 1: do need to go tell him. But I think I
Speaker 1: thought that that was really cruel that she did that.
Speaker 1: But think of how they ended in a fight on
Speaker 1: the dance floor at the dance marathon and they're not
Speaker 1: going to see so she comes back on his roof.
Speaker 1: He hates her, but he's caees her, so he's got hope.
Speaker 1: Now he's excited again, even though he's not showing it
Speaker 1: inside irritated. I understand it, but he's still It's like here,
Speaker 1: there's the love of his life, right and she's on
Speaker 1: the roof, and he's in a power position, and he's
Speaker 1: just gonna play his part until she says the right thing.
Speaker 1: She could have convinced him to come back. And and
Speaker 1: think the reason I say it's a little cruel. It
Speaker 1: was kind of self serving just for Rory. This had
Speaker 1: nothing to do to help Dean out. It just drove right.
Speaker 1: It was to clear her conscience, and it just drove
Speaker 1: the knife in deeper to Dean because she actually gave
Speaker 1: him a little hope in the beginning of the scene
Speaker 1: by saying, I just wanted to come by and say that.
Speaker 1: And you didn't know what she was gonna say, right
Speaker 1: she said, I just want you to know that. What
Speaker 1: does she say? I loved you in the past and
Speaker 1: now that we're not to get I mean, it was
Speaker 1: like Jesus, you're kicking the guy in then you know,
Speaker 1: once again, he's already down, he's trying to move on.
Speaker 1: Now you come by to tease him. And I just
Speaker 1: thought it was a tease, and it was asking Dean
Speaker 1: to have a stiff upper lip yet again in the
Speaker 1: face of a huge loss in his life. And there
Speaker 1: she is in the flesh, sort of like being a
Speaker 1: little ambiguous in the beginning and then saying, well, I'm
Speaker 1: here to say that I'm really sorry, and I know
Speaker 1: you loved me and I loved you too, but we're
Speaker 1: really over, Okay, I've moved on. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: just it's like Jesus. But I definitely see it in
Speaker 1: like the girl's point of view, because Rory also wants
Speaker 1: like at the end when she's like, I hope we
Speaker 1: can be friends, Like she just wants everything to be
Speaker 1: like start over, hope they can be friends again. He
Speaker 1: was so great to her and her mom and like
Speaker 1: everything in her life. But I think she also like
Speaker 1: she wants that piece because I think she knows Jesse.
Speaker 1: Is it any different than what Richard did. It's essentially
Speaker 1: the same thing. She's sort of manipulating or she's trying
Speaker 1: to do for her future. Had good intentions, she wants
Speaker 1: to say sorry. The way they ended was so screwy.
Speaker 1: She's she has good intentions with it. But I see
Speaker 1: what you're saying, so that it was so painful to Dean.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you really have to put yourself in the other person.
Speaker 1: How does that help him? I feel like it did
Speaker 1: help him. I don't know, That's just my opinion because,
Speaker 1: like like I was saying, a little, you know, a
Speaker 1: little bit ago, I think he feels really stupid, like
Speaker 1: very stupid, like he was played, which in all honesty,
Speaker 1: he was, but I think it was it was a
Speaker 1: time for him to hear like, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: was played. But also she did have feelings for me,
Speaker 1: and I can at least know that I wasn't completely
Speaker 1: dumb in this relationship, you know, like, I think it
Speaker 1: gives him a little bit of okay, you know it
Speaker 1: was us, but then somebody else came in. You're not
Speaker 1: completely stu up a Dean. You It sounds bad you
Speaker 1: got hosed Royally. I just felt I'm the most fabulous
Speaker 1: girl that you will ever meet. But hey, good news, Pal,
Speaker 1: I loved you once by. I feel like he deserved
Speaker 1: thanks for coming by, Rory, don't let that tree hit
Speaker 1: you on the question. For you, this is fun to
Speaker 1: do with you. Do you think, knowing what you know,
Speaker 1: that we'll ever see Dean and Rory together again. I
Speaker 1: feel like he'll come back at some point, whether they're
Speaker 1: together or not, I don't know, but yeah, yes, he'll
Speaker 1: come back. I think if he's if he if he's
Speaker 1: this much of a glutton for punishment, he'll come back.
Speaker 1: He's got a taste for it now, Scott, I don't
Speaker 1: to say what's going to happen, But no truer words
Speaker 1: have ever got, No oh Man favorite lines. I think
Speaker 1: I did fashion. I mean I thought I just thought,
Speaker 1: hats off to loora lie. Her look was so good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she looked. She looked really good in this She's looking
Speaker 1: good in this season, isn't she? Yes, yes, yes, she
Speaker 1: looks really beautiful like everything. Favorite lines. I think this
Speaker 1: was when they were talking about going to the the
Speaker 1: taco place, crisp and meaty, and then Rory goes dirty
Speaker 1: like mine's Loura lie to Luke when Luke realizes that
Speaker 1: Justin Rory are meeting up together, and Loria le goes,
Speaker 1: if you'd like, I'd let you sniff rory sweater. Maybe
Speaker 1: the cent will help you track them down out. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, that was brilliant. Yeah, that was brilliant. That
Speaker 1: scene was brilliant. And she said that and then look
Speaker 1: they cut back to look and he's looking at her.
Speaker 1: He goes, he goes, what do you find amusing? He
Speaker 1: considering did you see the look on his face like
Speaker 1: he just smelled a sour lemon? Like, what do you
Speaker 1: find amusing? Amazing? Sometimes, Oh god, who's that guy that
Speaker 1: played Look he's pretty good. He was pretty good. We
Speaker 1: gotta get him on the show. Favorite line, Um, this
Speaker 1: is about the broken button. Emily says, I have a
Speaker 1: stare to go to tonight. What am I going to do?
Speaker 1: And lorel I says, drink a lot. It's easier to
Speaker 1: explain than not wearing a skirt if you're falling that
Speaker 1: he can't seen in the back. From there, we didn't
Speaker 1: talk about it. Very cute. The whole thing was that whole,
Speaker 1: from start to finish, from when they got to Yale
Speaker 1: all through up until they got to the Dean's office
Speaker 1: or whatever. Where did they film that good question. I
Speaker 1: feel like we are missing a very obvious good line
Speaker 1: from Rory and Dean to I don't know what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, it's the very end when Rory goes,
Speaker 1: I hope some day you won't hate me anymore, and
Speaker 1: Dan goes, I hope so too. Oh yeah, and again again.
Speaker 1: I know I point this out every week. The whatever
Speaker 1: the word is, we need to get the word. The
Speaker 1: scene that's the christn though, is the kiss. And then
Speaker 1: they always give us more. It's like it's really now
Speaker 1: I've realized, like a Gilmore thing, because you would think
Speaker 1: kiss kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss, reread it's roll, but no,
Speaker 1: they always give you a little more and it almost
Speaker 1: is a down something, but it's the most important. Just
Speaker 1: when you think and I think, that's not all folks.
Speaker 1: But I think it's interesting to to show Rory in
Speaker 1: this light because look at what she's capable of doing
Speaker 1: to a boy's heart. Okay, look how desirable she is
Speaker 1: and how special she is, but look what she's capable of. Right,
Speaker 1: So this so it's like Luke may be happy now,
Speaker 1: but Jess could get rorried. I mean you know that
Speaker 1: old line, you know you've been gilmourd. Right, Well, Dean
Speaker 1: got rorried, and I wonder if Jess is going to
Speaker 1: get rorried. Is Jess gonna get Rory? I I don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll see. But he's vulnerable now, he's vulnerable, he's weakening. Right,
Speaker 1: It was good episode. Next week is a lot of
Speaker 1: people's favorite episode, really, the deep Fried Korean Thanksgiving Times.
Speaker 1: All of my nieces have seen Gilmore Girls so many
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Speaker 1: considered one of the great episodes of the whole It's
Speaker 1: a favorite, really, And good news for Danielle Halloween is
Speaker 1: overs are always gone. Um, well, I guess that episode,
Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving episode got romode. There you go, then, thank
Speaker 1: you for I've never felt more honored rode to remove
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Speaker 1: your premises to god. So good, alright, everybody that's gonna
Speaker 1: do it. Great episode, really just I really relaxed into
Speaker 1: this episode. Is a very comforting, relaxing episode to see
Speaker 1: that family so bonded yet so dysfunctional, and boys getting
Speaker 1: their hearts tramped on. And it was also such an
Speaker 1: important episode I think, like moving forward. Care to elaborate, No,
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