Speaker 1: Welcome Back All the Smoke Season four in l A.
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for this one. He came and did
Speaker 1: what was it was burning and has stories, but we
Speaker 1: couldn't really elaborate. Today we're gonna get to elaborate. Interview him. Man.
Speaker 1: Four time champ played with some of the greatest players
Speaker 1: ever to live. Welcome to the show, John Sally, Thank you,
Speaker 1: young fella. What's happened? What was happening? What's going on?
Speaker 1: How's life? I see you have John Sally's block Party
Speaker 1: coming soon. Is that like Chappelle's Black Party or just different?
Speaker 1: What is it? You know? In two thousand and five, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I took over for You're about to uh show. No,
Speaker 1: I took over for Steve Harvey in the morning and radio.
Speaker 1: So I called it John Sally Black Party. But then
Speaker 1: I registered that name because I just knew, you know,
Speaker 1: after TV one did what they were gonna do, I
Speaker 1: was going to I know, television is constantly moving, so
Speaker 1: I kept it, and so I was doing to John
Speaker 1: Sally the blockchain, you know, talking about crypto. So I
Speaker 1: just kept the block party and I brought it back
Speaker 1: because it's more than just crypto. It's more than just
Speaker 1: the blockchain, just it's conversations on health, this conversation with music.
Speaker 1: I got bumby Chuck, d Ralph Faelsa dick uh. And
Speaker 1: then I got like legends like uh, Frank Brokowski from
Speaker 1: the from Seattle and from Santa San Antonio. He choked me,
Speaker 1: he got hit by Dennis and jumped up and choked me.
Speaker 1: And I was like, break it's me, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't all look at like his lips entirely different, uh,
Speaker 1: entirely that that bottom lip is just not he would.
Speaker 1: I don't know how he never had a busted lip.
Speaker 1: Like as much as he like put his face places,
Speaker 1: it should just be blood everywhere, but it's not. Um,
Speaker 1: I love the rod uh. And that's it. I just decided.
Speaker 1: You know, I started back. It was Spider and the
Speaker 1: Henchman in two thousand eleven on Adam Corolla's network, and
Speaker 1: we were getting mad numbers. But you know, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I was just having fun. And then I started seeing
Speaker 1: I was getting the main views, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: what that meant. You know now I know how much
Speaker 1: that means. You've always really been big in the entertainment space. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, we were talking not too longer. When we
Speaker 1: came into the league, it was less talk about business.
Speaker 1: It was more about cars, women, jewelry, that kind of ship.
Speaker 1: You came in the league way before, so who no
Speaker 1: telling what that conversation was like, but what we'd cause
Speaker 1: the same thing. When when when the business of basketball
Speaker 1: strike you? Because you were one of the early as
Speaker 1: far as I said, like, I started to doing movies
Speaker 1: TV shows. I played in the NBA just to get
Speaker 1: into the movies. That's that's what that's what's magic. Hey listen,
Speaker 1: I'm a O. J. Simpson fan, Fred Williamson, Um, I was.
Speaker 1: I'm a big movie fan. And then I said, I
Speaker 1: want to do movies. And what I realized is that
Speaker 1: athletes in order to get in front of the TV.
Speaker 1: Joe Namath, you had you know, if you won and
Speaker 1: you came to Hollywood, they would put you on shows.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. Um, but I n eighty nine.
Speaker 1: I came in to lead in nine eighty nine. They
Speaker 1: gave me the microphone at the All Star Game in Houston,
Speaker 1: and I walked in the locker room like for the
Speaker 1: slam dunk right before the slam dunk competition and the
Speaker 1: security wasn't gonna stop me, and inside stuff was just
Speaker 1: like on me. And you know I'm with Ron Hopper
Speaker 1: and you know when he's snapping, he don't stutter like
Speaker 1: when so I got him, I got Dominique, and I
Speaker 1: just said, man, I like this. This is the easiest
Speaker 1: way of doing things is to literally be in front
Speaker 1: of the camera. Then I was friends with Will Smith
Speaker 1: and Martin Lawrence and I came out here and I said,
Speaker 1: this is it, this is what I want to do.
Speaker 1: I mean you you mentioned both their names. Uh. This
Speaker 1: is a little later in the show, but let's get
Speaker 1: to it now. That the character you played on Bad Boys,
Speaker 1: And how did that happen and what was that experience? Like, well,
Speaker 1: I was in Miami and they told me that they
Speaker 1: were downtown, and I went downtown. I met, uh I
Speaker 1: piste off Martin really quickly. Didn't know him yet, No,
Speaker 1: this is my man. But he was engaged to this
Speaker 1: girl and UM named pat She was MS. Virginia's fine.
Speaker 1: She still is fine. Uh uh. She used to be
Speaker 1: married to Emma Smith and then she no longer went
Speaker 1: but mind he said, so I meet my girl, and
Speaker 1: I looked and I said, y'all got a prenup and
Speaker 1: he got pissed automatically, so we will know you just say, well,
Speaker 1: some bad said it to me. I said, hey, this
Speaker 1: is my fiance said, y'all got a prenup. Like he didn't.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, get the business out of the way,
Speaker 1: because it is a business contract. Yeah. My wife has
Speaker 1: been chief of staff for twenty nine years now. Um
Speaker 1: uh she manages a small village. Uh. But then I
Speaker 1: we're walking upstairs and man, you don't say that in
Speaker 1: funt of my girl. Man embarrassed me like that and
Speaker 1: all these people. I was like, I don't care about
Speaker 1: those people, you know, I'm asking you a question to
Speaker 1: send bad asked me. And then when we get up
Speaker 1: the set, the director is yelling and screaming and we'll
Speaker 1: walk in and I said, who's that. He was a
Speaker 1: young director and he's screaming and yelling, and I go,
Speaker 1: you know who's screaming over there? And he bust through
Speaker 1: the door and it was Michael Bay. And Michael Bay
Speaker 1: shot my commercial for Nike. And he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's up. Man. I'm saying, hey, you're directly Yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: I heard you yelling. I knew that voice. And he goes, Mom,
Speaker 1: he's funny. We should put him in the movie. He said,
Speaker 1: you're the director. He said, you got a sad card?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I gotta sad. I don't know what a
Speaker 1: sad car there? Yeah, I got a sad card. Any
Speaker 1: kind of card you want? I got platinum, I got gold.
Speaker 1: And then uh, he said, yeah, all right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get in touch with you. And when they got in
Speaker 1: touch with me for Bad Boys, I got there. He said,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna play this nerd. And while and these
Speaker 1: are the lines, and we're talking. As we're going through
Speaker 1: the lines, were walking, he was like, uh, put these
Speaker 1: glasses on. And I put the glasses on, and then
Speaker 1: he was a ripplet, sleeves down and he was like
Speaker 1: a handcuff him. I was like what. And he knew
Speaker 1: how he was going to shoot it. He knew what
Speaker 1: he was going to do with the camera. Now, I've
Speaker 1: been friends with Spike Lee since college. Spike an't never
Speaker 1: he put a basketball movie, didn't put me in. So
Speaker 1: to get in this movie. I'm sitting around and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: I can't curse in my first movie, and I gotta
Speaker 1: be a nerd. I can't you know, like like Steven said,
Speaker 1: I gotta be myself, so I gotta I gotta act
Speaker 1: like I do no computers. I was like, let me
Speaker 1: do what I do. And you know, it was four
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy seven seventy nine dollars that went to
Speaker 1: my SAG because I hadn't paid my dues. But that's
Speaker 1: that's another star we don't. Yeah, I didn't know anything,
Speaker 1: but I did a commercial, so I was in sack,
Speaker 1: but I didn't I worked it that way. But then
Speaker 1: that was it. After that it was Eddie with Whoopi Goldberg.
Speaker 1: Then it was then I got on NBC. I just
Speaker 1: kept wanting to be in front of it and I
Speaker 1: got blessed with the best name spot show. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about your upbringing the NYSC in Brooklyn. Is that like
Speaker 1: I'm a Jehovah witness kid that you know helps rob
Speaker 1: people when I'm not, you know, knocking on your door. Uh? No,
Speaker 1: I was. I played with the greatest coaches. My first
Speaker 1: coach is Bonnie Davis. Uh he's recovering from cancer right now.
Speaker 1: And then Ted Gustus, who I still talked to to
Speaker 1: this day. Um, Jerry Paul Mona was my high school coach,
Speaker 1: and I just you know, I was a kid from Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: and if you know anything about New York, you stay
Speaker 1: in your borrow. And I was playing for different soul Stars,
Speaker 1: then the Gauchos, with with the great Gil Reynolds who
Speaker 1: had Bena King, Sid Green and uh Albert King, and
Speaker 1: then I me and Pearl Washington, the great Pearl, we
Speaker 1: went up to the Bronx to play with the Gauchos,
Speaker 1: which was a feat in its own, you know, getting
Speaker 1: on the train and going outside the borow. And when
Speaker 1: I started playing for Gauchos, I was with Donn Marbury,
Speaker 1: Stephmarbury's older brother, Henry ham Andre Andrea h Irvin like this,
Speaker 1: great great players from all over the city. So I
Speaker 1: played in every park except Rucker. And the reason I
Speaker 1: didn't playing the Rockers because I didn't want to run
Speaker 1: across a kid dunk on me and I lose all
Speaker 1: my reps. So that's exactly all I did. When did
Speaker 1: hoop come into play? Though, I'll talk are you? When
Speaker 1: when did you stretch out? Well? I started drinking toxic waste. Uh.
Speaker 1: I always say that. Man. I was six when Eric Jones,
Speaker 1: father had the perfect after for park chop Sideburns. He's
Speaker 1: watching the Nick game. He's like, man, basketball players get
Speaker 1: all the money and all the women, and they got
Speaker 1: the best clothes. And I never forgot that. Never. And
Speaker 1: at twelve, my mom didn't let me play, so I
Speaker 1: was in the park all day by myself. Everybody else
Speaker 1: had going to play with Dippmos. So I look at
Speaker 1: it as from twelve, I said, at eighteen, I gotta
Speaker 1: go So I got six years to become the best.
Speaker 1: So I twelve years old and I was. And then
Speaker 1: when I was fourteen, my brother, you know, Magic Johnson
Speaker 1: had just gone pro and he goes, You're gonna go
Speaker 1: pro at nineteen. He's how old you fourteen? He said
Speaker 1: fourteen about you're gonna go pro? And I just sat there.
Speaker 1: You know, I gotta go pro in four years. That's
Speaker 1: my mentality. And then uh it was college and I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm stayed three years and I stayed four years,
Speaker 1: which was the blessing because I got to go to Detroit.
Speaker 1: But from twelve years old, I was. I played basketball,
Speaker 1: I think from fifteen to eighteen every single day, whether
Speaker 1: it was snow on or not. So I was dedicated.
Speaker 1: Anything else beside basketball. Just played basketball. Yeah, I tried
Speaker 1: to do comedy. I didn't try to do comedy, you know.
Speaker 1: I letna tell you. I used to listen to Richard
Speaker 1: Pryor albums quietly and and try to mimic every sound
Speaker 1: Richard made. And then I would watch Flip Wilson and
Speaker 1: Uh but Richard Pryor. I would every every album I
Speaker 1: can possibly listen to a Richard Pryor. Uh did Gregory?
Speaker 1: You know we had albums then they didn't, you know
Speaker 1: they didn't have Yeah, you had to listen to the
Speaker 1: comedy album Bill Cosby. I still got the albums too,
Speaker 1: so I would listen to him to learn timing. Um,
Speaker 1: I knew I want to do, but I just kept growing.
Speaker 1: I kept getting taller and taller, and everybody's you know
Speaker 1: in the l A is below five eleven. But uh,
Speaker 1: I still did it. I got my comedy timing to
Speaker 1: a point. I was just telling them last night they
Speaker 1: need to go watch Which Ways up Classics? Yeah, that
Speaker 1: rich Way is up? Is is Richard Pryort his best? Uh?
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, you get a chance to play with Mark Price?
Speaker 1: Um going over to Atlanta? What was that like? Well?
Speaker 1: When I visit Georgia Tech. It was Super Bowl weekend
Speaker 1: and they were cleaning the streets. And I ain't never
Speaker 1: seen that. It was Super Bowl weekend in Atlanta. In Atlanta,
Speaker 1: and I think it was Super Bowl weekend. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it was. And they and Georgia Tech was playing
Speaker 1: against North Carolina against Michael and them that the year
Speaker 1: after they won the championship. Uh, and I that was it.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm coming to Alina. So everybody had
Speaker 1: a job. Uh. Everybody at Delta were black. Everybody grabbing
Speaker 1: your bag was black. Everybody at the hotel was black.
Speaker 1: I got to upstairs, called my mom's and I said,
Speaker 1: I'm going to Georgia, tex He says, how's the school.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Black people got jobs in Atlanta. I'm
Speaker 1: going here. Uh. And then school was I went to
Speaker 1: school year round and everyone else, you know, took this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't take the summer off. I played in the
Speaker 1: summer league and I went to class. Uh. I had
Speaker 1: a plan. I still got a plan. It ain't working,
Speaker 1: but I got what was your name on that boys
Speaker 1: Fletcher and my father? Yeah, yeah, man, Jordan Tech was
Speaker 1: on quarters. It was hard man. So I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, what I'm gonna take, Uh five classes of
Speaker 1: quarter like the way y'all are doing it, piling it
Speaker 1: up and the Nah, no, you ain't gonna. I'm not gonna.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna live that life. I'm going I gotta
Speaker 1: go over the Spellman and clock and enjoyed myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got women I have to impress. So four years
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech drafted number eleven overall to the Pistons. Uh,
Speaker 1: same class as Dennis Rodman. First impression um of that team, Well,
Speaker 1: Dennis Robin and you know they used to take the
Speaker 1: top fifty plays the Hawaii and uh they took, but
Speaker 1: they made Coach Crimmins was coaching the South Tea, so
Speaker 1: I knew what the offense we were gonna run. And
Speaker 1: then Dennis was my roommate, and he grabbed every rebound
Speaker 1: and threw the ball only to me. He did not
Speaker 1: throw it to a guard. This is true. I missed
Speaker 1: three shots in a week because Dennis graded rebound. He
Speaker 1: gave it to me. I put in the basket. So
Speaker 1: I loved playing I still I love playing with Dennis Robin.
Speaker 1: And then when I got there, So you gotta realize,
Speaker 1: as Adrian Danley Isaiah Thomas as Bill Lambert, this Sid Green,
Speaker 1: who was you know my guy? And Rick Mahorn and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, we're gonna be good. I didn't understand
Speaker 1: it's a business called basketball. And uh, first day they
Speaker 1: got in a fight Rick and uh Sid, and I
Speaker 1: was like, old on, man, you gotta break this up.
Speaker 1: We are team. And Rick hit me chin and Sid
Speaker 1: kicked me in the knee and I was on the
Speaker 1: ground and I realized I was playing in the position
Speaker 1: and uh, Chuck Dallie just stood there, looked at me.
Speaker 1: Everybody was looking at me, and I was like, nobody
Speaker 1: was helping me. Get up, young man. You know, shut
Speaker 1: your damn mouth when grown people are talking. And I
Speaker 1: get up, and Joe Dumars is like and so I
Speaker 1: realized right there, Um, we are all individual companies working
Speaker 1: for one company. And it was real quick my education came.
Speaker 1: It was the best thing because my vets, um, I
Speaker 1: would teach you something after beating you, kicking your ass. Yeah,
Speaker 1: keep your left up. Yeah, and uh talk to people
Speaker 1: from a distance like basketball players. I'm gonna kick your head,
Speaker 1: you know you do it. That's how basketball players talk.
Speaker 1: And uh, that's how you're supposed to keep it at
Speaker 1: a distance. Was it rookie hazen? No? No, I carried
Speaker 1: Adrian Danley was my vet, so I carried his bag.
Speaker 1: What was he like such a talented players? Do you
Speaker 1: hear stories though obviously we all know he could play,
Speaker 1: but you hear stories about who he was as a person?
Speaker 1: What was it like for you as a rookie? And
Speaker 1: I called him the teacher like I named him, like
Speaker 1: when I tell you, Matt, you can guard people? Cannot
Speaker 1: God Adrian Danny, I'm telling you that he's in his
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you. And he used to laugh, And
Speaker 1: I used to say, who who can we can Matt
Speaker 1: guard Dolf ses No, he's a sinner though, ain't he? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He couldn't you could? Danny Shad This is funny. Dwhite
Speaker 1: Howard is one of he does and get his props.
Speaker 1: I said, that's a question, Jonathan, I mean Fletcher, Um,
Speaker 1: he would foul. No, That's not what I'm asking is
Speaker 1: that I can't believe it's taking that long. Okay, you
Speaker 1: gotta okay, let me let me hit you with this. This.
Speaker 1: This is one of the last Jewish players ever. He's
Speaker 1: playing for his life. He was like it's like they're
Speaker 1: coming to get Danny Shays was like Joko Joe Jo,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm talking about I'm talking about dog Shakes. I
Speaker 1: said it right. He topped seventy five. Oh from the fifties.
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, but he played in Denver, was
Speaker 1: a player, yea yeah, and then Danny tops five. He
Speaker 1: should be. You gotta understand too. But is he better
Speaker 1: than Dwight Howard in his time? That's let me let
Speaker 1: me hit you with this, all right, so let me
Speaker 1: let me hit you with this. I didn't adsw to
Speaker 1: the argument because I didn't know who he was. This.
Speaker 1: Let me hit you with this. Nobody does. Man, let
Speaker 1: me tell you about this. Just listen. They got paid
Speaker 1: thirty five dollars. They played in Converse, they taped themselves,
Speaker 1: They taped themselves, and they played all the time. They
Speaker 1: smoked cigarettes at halftime with drink Bear. There's just different
Speaker 1: mentality of people still doing that when you know this
Speaker 1: is just different, different mentality. Uh, Dwight is amazing, though.
Speaker 1: I just don't think Dwight got uh the right situation.
Speaker 1: That's the way I look at it. I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: just so upsetting with you No, No, I love Dwight.
Speaker 1: They tell you, I want those shoulders, man, I used
Speaker 1: to think I had them in ship. I want to
Speaker 1: show this what was the state of the NBA when
Speaker 1: you arrived. A crazy thing I heard it was they
Speaker 1: said at one time the lead was too black and
Speaker 1: too drug infests. That's that's what I heard. That was.
Speaker 1: That was a saying, right, And uh I remember, I
Speaker 1: mean it was a good time, some good times going on.
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess they made smoke a cigarettes and
Speaker 1: drinking beers at halftime look like yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Drugs was amazing. It hit the league just like it
Speaker 1: hit the rest of the country. And uh, I'm playing
Speaker 1: against guys that they say, Hi, man, you could not tell.
Speaker 1: And some of these dudes, if they were getting high,
Speaker 1: they were that good and whatever they did in the
Speaker 1: extra curriculum had nothing to do with their basketball. I
Speaker 1: didn't see any suffering on that point. Um, so I
Speaker 1: don't even know noticed that. I didn't get high. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't drink. I just like women, um, which was
Speaker 1: a drug in itself. UM expensive drug, expensive drug. But
Speaker 1: that that was my thing. I like, you know, y'all
Speaker 1: go get drunk, and I wait, then I come into
Speaker 1: a biggie, I come up from behind who with always admitted.
Speaker 1: I mean you you were in the NBA for or
Speaker 1: for a long time, So when did you kind of
Speaker 1: see that start to change. I started seeing the lead
Speaker 1: change when the money came into it. Um situation. There
Speaker 1: was no money. Really it was money, but it was
Speaker 1: no real money right in the n b A. And
Speaker 1: then my second year of my third year, it was
Speaker 1: John Contact was offered that deal and got like three
Speaker 1: million dollars, and every big man behind that was like,
Speaker 1: if he gets three million dollars, I get six million.
Speaker 1: And I happened to be lucky enough to negotiate two
Speaker 1: years after that UM. But then everything changed. We had
Speaker 1: the Pistons with the first team with a private jet.
Speaker 1: We had round Ball one, and when we won two
Speaker 1: championships in the road started realizing it because we used
Speaker 1: to fly commercial. You get there the day before, you
Speaker 1: have a late afternoon practice, you go to dinner, you
Speaker 1: go to the nightclub, you go to the strip. During
Speaker 1: whatever it is you got the early practice, you played
Speaker 1: the game. You stayed at night, which was detrimental. Right,
Speaker 1: there's more babies, uh in different cities. There's more chances
Speaker 1: as you getting robbed, there's more drug used to there's
Speaker 1: so much to do. When we got the plane, we
Speaker 1: flew in that night four so we practiced in the
Speaker 1: day and we took a flight at seven o'clock, six o'clock,
Speaker 1: five o'clock, five thirty. And then you know, when we
Speaker 1: finished playing, were on the plane either watching the film
Speaker 1: for the next game or the game we just lost.
Speaker 1: Which was stupid to me that they didn't just always
Speaker 1: show the next game. They would always like, you know,
Speaker 1: Chuck Della be like this, you see you see a player,
Speaker 1: he goes. That's always said throughout the whole plane, and
Speaker 1: everybody's watching on these monitors. So we were able to
Speaker 1: stay focused in basketball way different. Yeah, because you know,
Speaker 1: and you say that they didn't call out to pick
Speaker 1: you should have seen it, you know, anything going through
Speaker 1: it was we we had I tell you, I was
Speaker 1: driving here, you know, through Topanga, which is a is
Speaker 1: a canyon here, and I was just looking at all
Speaker 1: the beauty and I was like, live in a vacation,
Speaker 1: but I literally live a dream. I don't remember not
Speaker 1: one NBA basketball game I've ever played it because they
Speaker 1: were all that important that at least as the way
Speaker 1: Isaiah and Bill Lambier had my mind, like each game
Speaker 1: is important, not just the big games. Every game is important.
Speaker 1: So I really didn't get to enjoy it because when
Speaker 1: you win, you got fifteen minutes. Coach, calm down, calm down.
Speaker 1: You know we won, but you know we didn't dominate.
Speaker 1: That that's you know, I'm verry up. I gotta get
Speaker 1: out of here. I gotta get to teach you at Fridays.
Speaker 1: That's what the girls are so so I I was,
Speaker 1: you know, always stuck in. Every game was intense, every
Speaker 1: single one, So I didn't get to really see it.
Speaker 1: But when I look back at it now, I look
Speaker 1: at something people want to talk about. Who's the greatest
Speaker 1: and the ghosts of all time? Y'all never play against
Speaker 1: Larry Bird. Larry Bird give you nightmares now if you
Speaker 1: have to sit back and think about it. Kevin McHale
Speaker 1: would smell like garlic on purpose. Rubber Petrovic remember that
Speaker 1: playing Patrick Man. You can't even punch him and it's
Speaker 1: not gonna do anything. Yeah, you would have been great
Speaker 1: because you're back in the day. You can fight and
Speaker 1: then when they break you up, they just tell you
Speaker 1: to calm down, calm down, calm down, put them over
Speaker 1: there and get somebody else in form. And then and
Speaker 1: then I coached, come by and go. You know, you
Speaker 1: don't get paid to fight. Now, I was like kind
Speaker 1: sometimes yeah with that team ship, where would you put
Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned Larry Bird? Where would Is he
Speaker 1: the greatest small forward of all time? Like? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: so what do he is? Lebron? A small forward? In
Speaker 1: your opinion? Lebron? Lebron could play off five position? So okay,
Speaker 1: so you're not so he's he's like magic, So magic
Speaker 1: Lebron over here, Kobe and Michael over here? Okay, uh
Speaker 1: lyve Bird and everybody else over here. But now, King,
Speaker 1: can you compare? No, I'm not saying who's better? Can
Speaker 1: you compare? Obviously a different kind of game? But a
Speaker 1: Larry Bird and Kevin Durant mhm, Kevin Durand is my
Speaker 1: favorite player playing now. I've told him not a thousand times, Um,
Speaker 1: Kevin Durand is not Larry Bird. No, no, Dant. Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant is six and eleven and shoots the ball above
Speaker 1: his head. So's bird? But what's six nine behind his head? Yeah?
Speaker 1: While talking. We'll just talk to you too. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: shoot this right, and then I'm gonna go to the
Speaker 1: other side next time and shoot it again. And he
Speaker 1: would he would go, I'm gonna shoot this and shoot
Speaker 1: it and be talking. I told you I was gonna
Speaker 1: shoot it. And I remember one day he was just
Speaker 1: talking so much to me. It's go one to I
Speaker 1: got two quick files, because you know what that means.
Speaker 1: You gotta sit down somebody else come be a highlight
Speaker 1: reel and and it would where are you? It would
Speaker 1: where are you? And he can dribble pass. People didn't
Speaker 1: realize he was six nine, So if you thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna lay it up and he would dunk on
Speaker 1: you like two thirds, didn't he have a game? We
Speaker 1: shot all left? Oh he could have left. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: I tell you this, I tell you stack. You know
Speaker 1: how you play defense, you lean and then they don't
Speaker 1: do this anymore, but they and they do a fade
Speaker 1: away right, Everyone did it right. Guys would bang you
Speaker 1: and then fade away on one leg. Try to be
Speaker 1: like you know, uh will chamber. It would hit you
Speaker 1: and go like this, and then you would fly by
Speaker 1: and he'd be like stupid I'm just constantly snapping, saying
Speaker 1: things like yo, yo, God, I'm gonna give you fifty tonight.
Speaker 1: You know, he was like, Oh my god, they're not
Speaker 1: gonna throw you the ball. They're not gonna throw your ball.
Speaker 1: I would love to play with the best. You had
Speaker 1: so many different personalities on your team. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: growing up. You know, it was the Lakers and the
Speaker 1: Pistons and the Celtics in the eighties who you know,
Speaker 1: grew up watching um But you always hear about lame
Speaker 1: Bier and Isaiah fighting. But there's a lot of strong
Speaker 1: You're a personality, Rob me came, that's a personality, Lamber
Speaker 1: or Isaiah or Mahorn Dantley, Like, what was what was
Speaker 1: it like just on that team, I can go this way.
Speaker 1: So Isaiah sat here, he's captain. Then it was another
Speaker 1: person here, and then Joe Dumas is at this end
Speaker 1: aj and Dantley was here. I was all the way
Speaker 1: closer to TV and Rick Mahorn and Buddha and then
Speaker 1: Bill and Bill Vinni Johnson side over there. So the
Speaker 1: deal is, these are all grown men, huh. In the
Speaker 1: locker room, they're all grown men. And when they talked
Speaker 1: about Isaiah Bill having a fight. Um. That wasn't until um.
Speaker 1: But they were those two captains like ran it like
Speaker 1: like you would see on TV. They ran it like that. Um.
Speaker 1: No one said anything to Vinnie because Vinnie was the man. Uh.
Speaker 1: Joe Dumas was quiet. Adrian Danley and him used to
Speaker 1: whisper uh because they don't talk right. So so you
Speaker 1: know that guy, and then you know Dennis was Dennis
Speaker 1: and I were just happy, uh, just to be around it.
Speaker 1: And it was then we had Marco guide when they
Speaker 1: d left, and they just grown men. And it's the
Speaker 1: only way I can put it. These guys were in
Speaker 1: their thirties and um, chuck every That's why I said
Speaker 1: it was intense. I laughing giggle until I get to
Speaker 1: the arena and then there's no laughing and giggling. And
Speaker 1: then after I lose, after we win, I'm gonna talk
Speaker 1: ship and I'm gonna laughing giggle. They didn't like that
Speaker 1: a lot, but I would do it. Um. But those
Speaker 1: dudes were Each one was intentive and he was gonna
Speaker 1: come into sixth man. He was gonna get the ball
Speaker 1: as soon as he checked in. He's gonna get the
Speaker 1: ball right away, Isaiah gonna get him the ball bill
Speaker 1: and Beard was allowed to shoot threes um, which was rare.
Speaker 1: Uh funny saying it now. Uh Rick mahon was going
Speaker 1: to beat if the there's a big man, he was
Speaker 1: gonna bang on him and talk shipped to him. So
Speaker 1: we just had we had like literally everybody had that role.
Speaker 1: I grabbed the ball one time, and you know that's
Speaker 1: why I love Kevin Durant. I'm driveling down call because
Speaker 1: I'm in New Yorker. Chuck. Then have a whistle, yo
Speaker 1: yo yo, yo yo. Hey, you know who that guy
Speaker 1: is right there? Yeah, Joe Dumar. You know that guy's
Speaker 1: it's as the Thomas. He said, next time you grab
Speaker 1: a rebound, you throw it to them. Don't dribble it again.
Speaker 1: I don't want to listen. Grab that dude, stop, get
Speaker 1: him out. One time said all right, get it, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pull you and you get paid caught in the minutes,
Speaker 1: I grab rebounds, no more dribbles. Just like we had rules.
Speaker 1: We had rules. You stuck to him, and we did
Speaker 1: in practice something that I never saw anywhere else. We
Speaker 1: practiced the two minute drill for an hour. We we
Speaker 1: always practice what would happen if we were down three,
Speaker 1: if we're down five? He would practice that practice, that
Speaker 1: practice that well. As I got older went to teams,
Speaker 1: I started realizing guys didn't have training on what to
Speaker 1: do in precious situations, and so our practices were technical.
Speaker 1: And you post a stay in shape. That's on you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You stay in shape or
Speaker 1: you don't stay on the team. Speaking of the great
Speaker 1: Chuck Daily, Uh, why was he a perfect fit for
Speaker 1: the Dream Team? Oh? Daddy Rich, God rest his soul
Speaker 1: because he knew how to handle men. Like I said this,
Speaker 1: each player is a fortune five company. To know how
Speaker 1: to make all of these companies work together for one
Speaker 1: goal is a is a trip because certain guys have
Speaker 1: to get paid. I have to get numbers, certain guys
Speaker 1: have to give rebounds. They're doing sentives. When I played,
Speaker 1: you had to play in order to keep your spot right.
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't have to play you because they
Speaker 1: gave you so much money that got to play. You know,
Speaker 1: if you ain't playing right, we're not playing um. When
Speaker 1: Chuck knew how to handle people, Chuck was like like
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, loved them like they would play golf, they
Speaker 1: would hang out. He talked to you as like a man,
Speaker 1: he said. He said to me one day, he said,
Speaker 1: you keep playing like this, I'm a trade you to Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: And he knew I didn't like Milwaukee. He said the
Speaker 1: O no nightclubs in Milwaukee. He said, there's bars, and
Speaker 1: it's not Detroit. It's a country town. He said, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you that's what's gonna happen. So he had to
Speaker 1: say to me, yeah, this he talked to me. It's
Speaker 1: one thing he wasn't and didnt yelled at you at
Speaker 1: the game. He yelled at me one time on the
Speaker 1: bench and he was screaming at me and I was
Speaker 1: sitting and I was like, all right, coach. And then
Speaker 1: William Berfer said, why are yell at you? I said,
Speaker 1: because he can't yell at Bill right, because he knew
Speaker 1: he couldn't yell at Bill Lambie that would shut him down.
Speaker 1: So he came say everything to me, and I was like,
Speaker 1: all I got. You went before you. I know what
Speaker 1: it was. You played in the era, obviously when that
Speaker 1: dream team was built. Have you seen a team that
Speaker 1: we built center can compete with them or beat them,
Speaker 1: compete with them. No so because that this cock about
Speaker 1: the Redeem Team and all, like you feel like Redeem
Speaker 1: Team was dope. But let me tell you Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: at that time and Kobe Michael was yeah two he
Speaker 1: just won his second championship. Um, no, no, no, it
Speaker 1: was he was a crazy human being. Charles Barkley, he
Speaker 1: led the team of scoring and he realized he he
Speaker 1: had to be the bad, mean American in order to
Speaker 1: get some some camera time. He had no problem with it. Um,
Speaker 1: John Stockton, No, no, this this Kyrie Irvin would have
Speaker 1: dribbled all the way until Charles Barkley hit him. I
Speaker 1: mean Charles would have hit him after a while. Child's
Speaker 1: Wood just would have ran his ass and then been
Speaker 1: like stop all that dribbled him. And and it was
Speaker 1: a foul that it wasn't a flagrant file. Let's call
Speaker 1: your mother, let's watch the video. The cops are waiting
Speaker 1: at the locker room. There was just a file. Um
Speaker 1: hard fouls what we would call it. But I look
Speaker 1: back Larry Bird. Having a bad back is one thing,
Speaker 1: but having magic and Larry On on a squad just
Speaker 1: negates anything you're ever gonna bring to me. I like
Speaker 1: here because We always have people talking that didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to play in that era. You played right
Speaker 1: in the middle of that era. Yeah, I didn't get
Speaker 1: a lot of sleep. I started balling real early. I
Speaker 1: didn't know why I was getting bald. I didn't know
Speaker 1: it was stressed. But but I mean, we had to
Speaker 1: play against Magic Man, and then I had to guard Worthy.
Speaker 1: He got forty two, he got twenty on me, and
Speaker 1: he didn't talk. He didn't say work any time somebody
Speaker 1: say twenty, it was really about twenties. No. I knew
Speaker 1: when I looked up and they just started putting the
Speaker 1: scull like players that was on the board and the Lakers.
Speaker 1: I looked up, I said, what eighteen? That comes from night? Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm about to fail you again. I'm not playing the
Speaker 1: rest of this game. You're not gonna get me a
Speaker 1: CBS Michael Jordan dunked at me on CBS man, and
Speaker 1: all I remember I was thinking, is in my park
Speaker 1: when you got dunked on, they take your sneakers. And
Speaker 1: I just sat there and I go, I'm gonna hear it,
Speaker 1: Like the only thing in my brain is my brothers
Speaker 1: are going on when my phone's gonna blow up? When
Speaker 1: I got home, did you go up and try to
Speaker 1: like man, I thought I had it, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I thought I had He went up so
Speaker 1: fast and then moved in the air, and I just
Speaker 1: grabbed his face because I was like, you can't dunk this.
Speaker 1: And I grabbed his face and he still dunked it,
Speaker 1: and his tongue was out, and you know, you try
Speaker 1: to take it out real quickly like a lines on morning.
Speaker 1: They were like, no, that's a foul, and then the
Speaker 1: cameras cameras on you. You try not to be in
Speaker 1: the camera. I was like, god, my uh funny rookie season.
Speaker 1: You guys lose to Boston in the Eastern Funals. I played, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that memorable play where Birds stole the ball on
Speaker 1: a quick inbounds. I heard Isaiah when he's supposed to
Speaker 1: be taking the ball out um And then after the game,
Speaker 1: Isaiah said if he was if he was black, he'd
Speaker 1: just be another good guy. Media wasn't what media is today.
Speaker 1: But the fact that Isaiah Thomas said that about Larry Bird,
Speaker 1: what did you think when you heard that? What was
Speaker 1: the energy around the game like that? Okay, so this
Speaker 1: is what happened. What had happened was so Boston. You know,
Speaker 1: there's so many numbers, right, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Isaiah being reactive, thinking they're going to file as soon
Speaker 1: as we get the ball, so as opposed to have
Speaker 1: it Bill take it out. He took it out to
Speaker 1: throw with the Bill, because Bill, next to a D
Speaker 1: was our best file shooter. Guard's never supposed to take
Speaker 1: the ball out and right, because you want him that.
Speaker 1: But Isaiah was looking at and he's looking at Chuck.
Speaker 1: Should I call time out? And and he's looking at
Speaker 1: the and he's looking at Bill, and Isaiah said, give me,
Speaker 1: give me the ball, and he takes the ball and
Speaker 1: he's thrown it. Now Bill a Bis sees like Bird coming,
Speaker 1: who hates Bill that beer with a passion. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: hates Bill that beer. So Bill sees him coming and
Speaker 1: opposed to step into the ball at her arms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Larry steals it. But then it looked like
Speaker 1: it was set up by the leprechron because nothing was
Speaker 1: supposed to happen the way it happened. And we're all
Speaker 1: the way now and A D turns to me and said,
Speaker 1: what happened? I said, Isaiah threw the ball away. Now
Speaker 1: that was quiet in the locker room. Right. We get
Speaker 1: on the plane. We tried to to jet a plane.
Speaker 1: We get on the on the plane and Isaiah sitting
Speaker 1: at the wing just looking out the window, and those
Speaker 1: guys in the front, the guys like, no, when is
Speaker 1: sitting there him? So I go and sitting there him
Speaker 1: and I go, you want peanut? And he's looking at
Speaker 1: me like yeah, And I go, what's wrong? And he goes,
Speaker 1: So I lost the game for us? I said, no,
Speaker 1: we just proved we can beat him in the garden
Speaker 1: because we had never beat him in the guard, and
Speaker 1: we proved we can beat him in the guard. We're
Speaker 1: gonna kill him at home and then we're gonna come
Speaker 1: back and beat him in the garden. He shakes his head.
Speaker 1: We droid of game six. We come back for game
Speaker 1: seven and we outside, I mean, we're looking up. We
Speaker 1: had this thing, we had like a walk through practice
Speaker 1: and we talked about how big this game was going
Speaker 1: to be and how we could not make any mistakes.
Speaker 1: And the fact that Adrian Danley was diving out of
Speaker 1: ball tells you how attention was because he that ain't
Speaker 1: in his contract. Diving out of the ball, was like,
Speaker 1: don't pay me to dive, and they hit heads and
Speaker 1: you know that carting them out, we hang on, we lose.
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman said, if Larry Bird was a black guy,
Speaker 1: just being another black guy and then they run over
Speaker 1: them to Isaiah, who's sitting here, so it's you know,
Speaker 1: Thomas Sally Is Rodman Rodman, thom and Sally. So I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here and all to me, that's all let me
Speaker 1: move and they go. Dennis just said, if Larry Bird
Speaker 1: was Isaiah said, I guess he's right, right, like if
Speaker 1: it's a sensational thing that he's a white guy and
Speaker 1: he plays as well because it's you know, the lead
Speaker 1: is full of you know, black people. Um, he wasn't
Speaker 1: saying anything. No, he was like, right now, we talked
Speaker 1: about we talked about McCarty. What's the kid the running
Speaker 1: back for the Titan McCaffrey. Right, We talked about how
Speaker 1: this white kid is unbelievable. We literally say that, right.
Speaker 1: We talked about we put his color in front of it.
Speaker 1: So him saying that I was not saying, he wasn't
Speaker 1: getting anything about Larry. Larry plays good for a black
Speaker 1: eyed white guy. A Martian. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: he's no matter the color. They brought the color into it.
Speaker 1: Isaiah not disagreeing. If Isaiah would have said, no, you know,
Speaker 1: he he's great no matter what he is, right right,
Speaker 1: it would have been dead. But he said, and I
Speaker 1: say it to this day, if you think about anything
Speaker 1: they say when you see, uh, when it's a white
Speaker 1: guy and he's a champion, they called him the great
Speaker 1: white hope. Uh. When you get a wide receiver who
Speaker 1: is fast, they like, this kid is as fast as
Speaker 1: this black kid. So in a way they're not right
Speaker 1: because we're predisposed, or we're prejudiced by default because in
Speaker 1: this country, black people do one thing, white people do
Speaker 1: a different thing. And when a white guy is doing
Speaker 1: is playing ball as well as black eyes that they say,
Speaker 1: black eyes, Joe, you want to play basketball. That's a
Speaker 1: racial thing. Black guys played basketball, black eyes dance, black
Speaker 1: eyes smoke. Well, they're kind of right. Smoke weed um offen.
Speaker 1: All of I do, all that, eat chicken, black, all
Speaker 1: the things they say, all the things they say kids.
Speaker 1: But when you say that, that's that's cool. But when
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, when the white guys doing it,
Speaker 1: then that's out of character. So they kind of put
Speaker 1: it in a way. There was no way for Isaiah
Speaker 1: to get out of it except man, leave me alone. Man,
Speaker 1: I gotta take a shower. But he couldn't do that.
Speaker 1: He got the bad rap for something he just like
Speaker 1: he said, there was no malicious tent behind it, none none.
Speaker 1: Larry Bird and Isaiah are cool, and they did a
Speaker 1: press conference right after that. What the problem was, Isaiah
Speaker 1: kept talking. When Larry got up and walked out, Isaiah said,
Speaker 1: the guy walked out. But Isaiah said, I looked up
Speaker 1: the word racist in addiction. Stop, don't let him know
Speaker 1: you read. Don't let him know you read the chief
Speaker 1: it to yourself. That's that's that's where it got into
Speaker 1: it when he was, you know, trying to use it
Speaker 1: when it you know, should have died where it was
Speaker 1: around this time. Uh. You know, Jordan is on his
Speaker 1: way up and you got to beat the bull street
Speaker 1: three consecutive years. Uh. And you guys have something called
Speaker 1: the Jordan rule. Talk to us about that. Um another thing,
Speaker 1: you would have liked Matt because push him left. That's
Speaker 1: that's your Jordan rule right there. That's that's all I'm
Speaker 1: allowed to give away. No, but there the deal is this.
Speaker 1: You push him left right. If he catches the ball
Speaker 1: on the left side, push him left. He's not going
Speaker 1: to pass it right. Kobe is not the chucker. Michael
Speaker 1: as the chucker. Kobe shot to go in. Michael kept
Speaker 1: shooting until they went in. But but Mike, Mike was deadly.
Speaker 1: So when he caught the ball on the left elbow,
Speaker 1: push him left. And Joe can do that all day
Speaker 1: because Joe pounds. And when he picks the ball up,
Speaker 1: go back to your man because he's not going to
Speaker 1: pass it. He's going to shoot it. And when he
Speaker 1: comes in the middle, put him on his back. So
Speaker 1: if he's on the right side, he goes left, that's
Speaker 1: when he turned his body this way and stick his
Speaker 1: tongue out, and that's when his ass was on the
Speaker 1: floor when he went down right. So soon as he
Speaker 1: goes left, soon as he gets a foot in the paint, foulo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody gets but don't know tic tac files meaning for
Speaker 1: anybody out there, don't reach and pull your hand back.
Speaker 1: Foulon right. Foulom hit him and used to be allowed
Speaker 1: to do that, used to be allowed to you know,
Speaker 1: even if a guard was coming to the lane, there
Speaker 1: was a big man, A big man turned and bumped
Speaker 1: into and you hit the ground. Ref wouldn't call that
Speaker 1: gouse Yo Ashal not supposed to be in there with
Speaker 1: the big men, and he just turned in his body. Um.
Speaker 1: We also knew uh to go after Scotty. So the
Speaker 1: other Jordan rule was make Scotty keep the ball with Scotty,
Speaker 1: make everybody else try to beat us. And that said
Speaker 1: when he caught the ball, all eyes was all Michael,
Speaker 1: because he's not going to pass to your man. You
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about him Magic Johnson. And by
Speaker 1: your ear, he ain't passing it. So as soon as
Speaker 1: he puts the ball down, everybody comes, everybody every and
Speaker 1: they got you watching on film, they would stop, Hey,
Speaker 1: what's the rule? When he comes, everybody comes, He's not
Speaker 1: passing it to your man. And if you watch, Michael
Speaker 1: would put the ball every which way, not to give
Speaker 1: it to one of his one of his teammates. That's it.
Speaker 1: You got a chance to play with him later, Did
Speaker 1: you guys ever discuss what it was about the reasoning?
Speaker 1: Because I mean he openly said, I mean that got
Speaker 1: him better. Yeah, you know what I mean. Have you
Speaker 1: guys ever discussed being teammates at one point? Yeah, when
Speaker 1: I when I, they didn't have to asked him. But
Speaker 1: when I came onto the team, Um, he said, uh,
Speaker 1: you wear a Nike right side. I said, yes, Sir,
Speaker 1: I got it. He said what side? You were fifteen?
Speaker 1: He's like, all right, that's what's up. That's up, just
Speaker 1: making sure you're, you know, doing no craziness over there.
Speaker 1: The next day I came in. My whole locker was
Speaker 1: full of Alonzo more than sneakers, because Alonzo used to
Speaker 1: get them first and they were red and white, and
Speaker 1: then I got him. I was like, good looking. He said, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. That was that. And he would always ask
Speaker 1: us questions. He would ask Dennis questions with Dennis and
Speaker 1: have answers. Um he didn't have answers. Uh. He would
Speaker 1: ask Buddha and he said, man, when we would come in,
Speaker 1: and like I said, if if we knew that we
Speaker 1: was in his head, we would have never lost. We
Speaker 1: didn't know how intense or how much we were in
Speaker 1: his head. I remember we were playing and uh, I
Speaker 1: go in and I see everybody said after the game,
Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, the game, I got the Ferrari'
Speaker 1: gonna show. You can't wait. We beat him. I come
Speaker 1: out and so what's up? Man? Get away from me?
Speaker 1: What happened? Get away from me? I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: he's sensitive, Like, well, I'm gonna eat tonight. Let's say. Uh.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I was intense when those numbers was up.
Speaker 1: I would be very very focused. Um. But when we
Speaker 1: would talk, he would ask us. He would ask us, um,
Speaker 1: did we try to hurt him? We were like, nah,
Speaker 1: if you went left, we hit you. We went left
Speaker 1: in the middle, you got We stopped you in the paint.
Speaker 1: Because he can a nite, a whole nation by dunking
Speaker 1: on somebody. And you can see sometimes he would go
Speaker 1: and we would all come and then he would try
Speaker 1: to get a shot off and hit the floor. We're
Speaker 1: not catching him, step over him and keep running. And
Speaker 1: we knew, we knew that his teammates looked at him
Speaker 1: for everything, everything, And then we would punk everybody. I
Speaker 1: love that. Back to back Champions and you guys beat Magic,
Speaker 1: and you guys beat Clyde in the Portland Trailblazers, you
Speaker 1: know these they called Portland ripped city. I said, it
Speaker 1: stands for repeating Portland. Dog. You don't know, cocky. We
Speaker 1: lost our first home game, championship game. We lost the
Speaker 1: second game, and we never won in Portland as a franchise.
Speaker 1: We won three straight and I remember they had Maurice
Speaker 1: Lucas on the square back when it was three too.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, two three yeah, I remember we had They
Speaker 1: had Duckworth and and Curtsy God rests Souls and Buck
Speaker 1: Williams who used to give me crazy numbers. Um at
Speaker 1: least a lot of elbows. And I just remember, man,
Speaker 1: we just was was like on it and when we won,
Speaker 1: it was the loneliest city. We stayed in the hotel.
Speaker 1: I loved it, but we stayed in the hotel. What
Speaker 1: was like being the Lakers beating the Lakers. We kicked
Speaker 1: all the windows out of the bus on the way
Speaker 1: back to the hotel. The guy just turned it all black.
Speaker 1: We're kicking windows out because there's people following the bus
Speaker 1: and giving us the finger, and we we're throwing it
Speaker 1: out of Rick my horn and l a. Rick is
Speaker 1: mooning him and ship with his big ass. It was
Speaker 1: more like a son in them because it was a
Speaker 1: big ass and and we just wild and we get
Speaker 1: back to the hotel. Uh, we couldn't go anywhere. That
Speaker 1: was another thing. So it's not like we can go out. No,
Speaker 1: that I found that out real quick. They're serious about
Speaker 1: the Lakers out here. But we stayed in the hotel,
Speaker 1: tore things up. Dennis didn't take his jersey off to
Speaker 1: the next day. Um. I showered, made sure my hair
Speaker 1: was cut. You know, the holes might be watching. Um
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Make sure my hye top
Speaker 1: was like, my hand was like yours. It was perm
Speaker 1: but it was like yours. A lot of off the
Speaker 1: court success with that team, you know Joe and what
Speaker 1: he's doing now for the NBA, Isaiah and all his ventures.
Speaker 1: Vinnie speak to him because he does. Yeah, the Piston group. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and they're heavy, heavy, heavy. Yeah. He makes
Speaker 1: all the plastic for all the cards that you see.
Speaker 1: But Isaiah started a company. It was called One World
Speaker 1: Farmer and I'm a shareholder and an ambassador something like that. Um.
Speaker 1: I worked some numbers out of him, you know, at
Speaker 1: the lawyers. No, he owns cannabis. He's the largest cannabis. Yeah, champagne. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the largest cannabis and hemp grower in the world
Speaker 1: in Colombia, and they were at BMW had literally kind
Speaker 1: of contracted him to take the hemp and make it
Speaker 1: into hemp plastic for their cause. But then he is
Speaker 1: running a three hundred million plus business. Um, I tell
Speaker 1: you this man my rookie year. Then he had this
Speaker 1: gold watch R. And you know, he talked to me
Speaker 1: because I was from Brooklyn, but most of the time
Speaker 1: vets didn't talk to me, so they talked at me.
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, that's a nice watch man,
Speaker 1: and he was like yeah, man. So I said, how
Speaker 1: much a watch like that carse watch man? I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe it was a It was a you know what
Speaker 1: this watch is worth to this day, this watches they
Speaker 1: probably don't even make it anymore. I sat there. Vinny
Speaker 1: has always been and he was the best dress player
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in the NBA. And he was so
Speaker 1: well madd He had he had tall poodles, black poodles.
Speaker 1: I had never seen a big poodle before. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is this is a rich, rich black guy. Um.
Speaker 1: But Vinnie always was so like a stupid so perfect
Speaker 1: with this thing. So I I'm so impressed with what
Speaker 1: he's doing with the Piston group, Mannie Joe d and
Speaker 1: as he great business man. Yeah, man, you leave Detroit
Speaker 1: and spent three seasons in Miami. What's the best members
Speaker 1: in Miami's that's the only that's the only part of
Speaker 1: the NBA. I remember, Luke. Let me finish this. I
Speaker 1: was twenty seven when I went to Detroit. I was
Speaker 1: one of the oldest people on the squad when he
Speaker 1: went to Miami. Man and these Steve Smith still one
Speaker 1: of my favorite players that ever played. We would play
Speaker 1: were the best thirty six minute team in the NBA.
Speaker 1: It's the last twelve minutes that we had a problem with.
Speaker 1: And you know, coming from Detroit, that was what I
Speaker 1: would see. I would see our last twelve minutes. But boy,
Speaker 1: they I've never been out in Portland until I got
Speaker 1: to Detroit, and and the girls came to the hotel
Speaker 1: and it was just women everywhere trying to get to
Speaker 1: the Miami Heat players. And I was like, what is these?
Speaker 1: It wasn't Ronnie Cyclly. He didn't hang out with us, man,
Speaker 1: it was it was my favorite time. I would I
Speaker 1: just was about to get married. Was the only part wrong?
Speaker 1: With the whole thing. Uh. But boy, if I would
Speaker 1: have been like mcdonna was was hanging whatever. We're going
Speaker 1: to Madonna's house and then Donna was having parties. Um,
Speaker 1: so you know, you just don't talk to any of
Speaker 1: the girls there because they might not be girls. Uh.
Speaker 1: So bring your own lunch. Uh my only advice to
Speaker 1: be in Miami. Uh. But we those guys play golf,
Speaker 1: they play hard. Keith Keith Askins, one of my favorite players,
Speaker 1: Membo Cols. How was my rookie. Yeah. I took Harold
Speaker 1: everywhere and I would I put Hi on to raise
Speaker 1: pizza and this is this is tell you when brother
Speaker 1: got money. We're playing in New Jersey and Harrod was like, man,
Speaker 1: I like that pizza we got last time we were
Speaker 1: hearing New York from l A. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it's it's raised pizza on sixth Avenue. He
Speaker 1: sent a limo to get a pizza, a town car
Speaker 1: to get a pizza and bring it back to New Jersey.
Speaker 1: I said, it wasn't your stupid because New Jersey pizzas
Speaker 1: as good. But too Uh that's some rich ship. And
Speaker 1: he had like attend million dollar deal with Nike. So
Speaker 1: that that was that was a good person. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then he went to Cleveland. Uh, you know, I remember
Speaker 1: how invested into um strip malls in Vegas. So he
Speaker 1: should be rich, Richard and rich right now he was
Speaker 1: building those strip malls. Who knew Vegas was going to Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do he You know when they talk about jumping ability, right,
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan get down, he would take off and he would.
Speaker 1: You would see him take off like it with a
Speaker 1: long stride, how mine. It would start with two feet
Speaker 1: and then jump like above everything else. And he was
Speaker 1: left handed. I love left handed players. Uh. But he
Speaker 1: also you know, I guess he came. They bought him
Speaker 1: in the league, expecting him to be like he was
Speaker 1: in college. What I like about being in Detroit is
Speaker 1: I have vets to teach me stuff. And you know,
Speaker 1: they bought how and expecting him to do that. You
Speaker 1: should be you should be literally taught to position room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: grew to be there. You spar there a little time
Speaker 1: in with the Toronto. I know you like to Ronto. Well,
Speaker 1: Isaiah brought me there, and I think Isaiah was mad
Speaker 1: at me. But you know, you never know, Um, you
Speaker 1: never know, because you can tell I got you know,
Speaker 1: I had FUNX when I was coming in, I dropped
Speaker 1: them off so right. It's like when he brought me there.
Speaker 1: It was me and b J Armstrong and we were
Speaker 1: in the car. We're in a van and b J said, Zake,
Speaker 1: you gotta get me out of here. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be here. And he was like, for real? He
Speaker 1: said yeah. He said, all right, I think I can
Speaker 1: make a trade for you. And he said, sad Detroit,
Speaker 1: want you back a Lando, want you in Chicago. I
Speaker 1: said Chicago. I said, no, I send me home, send
Speaker 1: me back to Detroit. Uh. He was like, then came back,
Speaker 1: said I can't trade your man. And he said, man,
Speaker 1: we need to make this city like the place everybody
Speaker 1: want to play. But I need you to make sure
Speaker 1: they go out the night before. So I threw parties
Speaker 1: the night before all the games. How were you at
Speaker 1: this point? Thirty? Yeah, So let me tell you where
Speaker 1: my biggest mistake was. I didn't leave the squad after
Speaker 1: having it lit. I bought I bought Faith Evans dare
Speaker 1: to sing. I had a club every Sunday night at Atlantis.
Speaker 1: When I get traded. When I get I asked to
Speaker 1: be released, right, I had to give up seven fifty
Speaker 1: dollars to get out of my deal. So I was
Speaker 1: only free slave. I mean I'm free agent in the
Speaker 1: n b A. So I was, and so I can
Speaker 1: pick because I didn't want, you know, I owned my waivers.
Speaker 1: And when Chicago came calling, I left. So we go
Speaker 1: back and of course they're throwing the parties the night
Speaker 1: before and I as a bull. Now you're a Bull,
Speaker 1: and I can't tell these guys, yo, it's a setup.
Speaker 1: Don't go. We lost to the Raptors and it bothers
Speaker 1: me to this day, right bothered because I know my setup.
Speaker 1: And they were like, yeah, that ship works Toronto to Yeah,
Speaker 1: Toronto's Toronto's my favorite city. It is. Yeah. I had
Speaker 1: my daughter in Toronto. My my wife, Uh, we got
Speaker 1: she got pregnant in Toronto, she got pregnant, she got pregnant.
Speaker 1: I got fat. But yeah, in Toronto that nine. You
Speaker 1: joined the Bulls in the midst of that seventy two
Speaker 1: win season, he readnited with Rodman. What was it like
Speaker 1: playing on that team? Well, they had a special private jet.
Speaker 1: They had that MGM jet that had that TV screen
Speaker 1: here and the big leather seats and the tables and
Speaker 1: it was just like a lounge. And uh, player this
Speaker 1: is this was the most gangster thing because I pay
Speaker 1: attention to everything. Um, Michael would drive to the joint,
Speaker 1: there will be tons of people, his security get out,
Speaker 1: walk with him, walk him on the plane. Guy would
Speaker 1: take the Ferrari. We parked outside. He parked obviously in
Speaker 1: a private hangar. The security got on a private jet
Speaker 1: and took off before we did so they can be
Speaker 1: there when we landed because they didn't get on the plane. Um,
Speaker 1: which I thought was expensive. Uh and gangster at the
Speaker 1: same time. But like Judd Bushler and Steve Kerr literally
Speaker 1: showed me how to get to the airport, asked me
Speaker 1: about restaurants, ron Hoff and Pitt. They were like whatever,
Speaker 1: Negro But Dennis, you know it's again, you know, he
Speaker 1: wasn't talking. And these guys literally showed me, you know,
Speaker 1: how to get around, which was weird because him when
Speaker 1: you get to the team, these clicks stay within the
Speaker 1: click that even though they had clicks, it didn't feel
Speaker 1: like it didn't when when we got in the locker
Speaker 1: room and felt like a team even though it was clicks,
Speaker 1: Um and Uh, I knew we weren't gonna lose. I
Speaker 1: don't know if y'all ever had that situation, but when
Speaker 1: you walk in, you already know you're gonna win when
Speaker 1: you walk in, because like you see the other guys
Speaker 1: looking at you. Yeah, it was a trip, but everybody
Speaker 1: was afraid of Michael. Everybody. We got to play against
Speaker 1: New York and Derek Hawfer. I love you Derek Harfer.
Speaker 1: You know he had those big old astros and you know,
Speaker 1: and get more a than everybody else. You gotta watch
Speaker 1: out for that, yeah, man, but he was I know,
Speaker 1: I thought they were gills that just it knows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I hit Derek harforman uh. Michael said, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: he's hawking me. Man. I said, I get him off.
Speaker 1: You run him off me and a boom and I
Speaker 1: set my pick up like this and it hit Derek Harford.
Speaker 1: He looked around me and flashes na shows. I said,
Speaker 1: it was just a pick. He just looked at me
Speaker 1: and I said, then he gonna hit me in my jaw.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I remember the chart. It was
Speaker 1: just a pick, just pick. He was like, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, and I was like, he's gonna get me.
Speaker 1: Then again he didn't get me. But MJ loved it
Speaker 1: and it was a trip because Ron Hopper then takes
Speaker 1: me out after we get home and go, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what we expect you as as a bull. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you're talking about He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we expected you, you know, to bring some of that toughness.
Speaker 1: I was like, why are you talking to me? Like
Speaker 1: why is that we haven't we you played for Cleveland.
Speaker 1: What do you mean Michael should be talking to me?
Speaker 1: Go get the boss. But yeah, it was. We wore suits.
Speaker 1: Michael was shot everybody else. We smoked some guys on
Speaker 1: the on the bus one time that we were smoking
Speaker 1: to guys and the guy turned around and goes, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: no smoking on the bus. And Phil goes, when we're
Speaker 1: on the bus, they're smoking on the bus. And then
Speaker 1: it was and had us a guard in his hand.
Speaker 1: The dude couldn't say anything. We popped like the events.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is the best thing in
Speaker 1: the world. It was best. Steve Kerr would be like,
Speaker 1: I hate these cigarettes. It was just freedom. It was freedom. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean you got the I mean you big personalizy again, MJ.
Speaker 1: You know, Pip Phil Rodman, you haven't really tells you
Speaker 1: keep saying robbing. Doesn't say this rob me to that man?
Speaker 1: So what was that robbing? What was he like? I
Speaker 1: got to meet um, I get to Chicago and he
Speaker 1: makes me meet him at a steakhouse. He already know
Speaker 1: I don't need steak, but that's okay. I'm Dennis and
Speaker 1: me and the steakhouse and uh, what's my man's name from? Uh?
Speaker 1: Jerry Springer and Jerry Springers at the at the dinner
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, this is bombed. So I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there and talking to Jerry Springer, Jerry you know he
Speaker 1: likes girls too, and pointing by all these girls. And
Speaker 1: then Dennis is sitting next to this blonde who's bodied
Speaker 1: out and you know, glancing down at me, glancing down
Speaker 1: at me. Well you're kicking with d Rod, I know,
Speaker 1: stop glancing at me. So Dennis said, so, yeah she
Speaker 1: find huh. I go, yeah, she's good, all right? He goes,
Speaker 1: you don't think she's fine? I go, she's all right,
Speaker 1: she's cool. I laughed at that. If you say so,
Speaker 1: you know it's cool because you don't want to kick
Speaker 1: it with her. I was like, nope. He said, why
Speaker 1: she don't have a vagina. I was the only one
Speaker 1: he said that knew that there was it was a
Speaker 1: dude and and was he looked like Matt. No, I'm joking,
Speaker 1: he was. I know, Matt must be triple because people
Speaker 1: been calling you pretty, you know, he said, why would
Speaker 1: a guy called me pretty? You know, you just let
Speaker 1: it go. But but this here, yeah, yeah, and I go,
Speaker 1: that's funny, dude, I wouldn't say that. You know, his
Speaker 1: eyes matched. It's cool. But like everybody, everybody. And then
Speaker 1: he had his birthday party was at the crow Bar,
Speaker 1: and everybody came except MJ and a couple of other guys.
Speaker 1: But I don't think they knew the Crowbar was a
Speaker 1: gay joint until they got there. And uh, there was
Speaker 1: a whole lot of trans women. Uh there, but dudes
Speaker 1: was literally hollering, not even understanding how you know. I
Speaker 1: came in with two of my friends. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: this girl who knew me, she told my wife, she goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw John he had these two girls with him,
Speaker 1: because oh yeah, those just two best friends, you know,
Speaker 1: takes them everywhere there it damn bother you. And she
Speaker 1: was like, no, there's his friends. Yeah, stopped talking to her. Um,
Speaker 1: but I did. I used to hang out with these
Speaker 1: two guards are Robbing and Bobby, two gardens women, and
Speaker 1: they would go everywhere with me just my you know one.
Speaker 1: They were unbelievable attractors because all the girls want to
Speaker 1: come by and then um dudes to be like, so
Speaker 1: come and talk to me about said he wouldn't talk
Speaker 1: to me any other time to right now. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: used to do it all the time. Phil still, Phil
Speaker 1: will give you a book. Phil will give you a
Speaker 1: book to read a book. I tell you the best
Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard the story, but the
Speaker 1: best thing to ever happened is we got film and
Speaker 1: we're watching film, and he said, I do film a
Speaker 1: little different. It's fifteen minutes of one fifteen minutes of another,
Speaker 1: because I found out humans can't really focus past fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, the movie kicks in and
Speaker 1: it's Friday, and all the brothers like, oh, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: watching Friday. Explain it to the white guys, what Friday us?
Speaker 1: And uh, we're watching it. Yeah. As soon as it
Speaker 1: got the debo, Deebo, he said, what's up, Craig, Like that,
Speaker 1: it clicked and it was Alonzo morning, and then we
Speaker 1: watched fifteen minutes of film and then back to another
Speaker 1: film that wasn't Friday, but each film was getting us,
Speaker 1: telling us about a point. There's gonna be a bullet.
Speaker 1: His name is Alonzo Mourning. We're gonna call him Debo.
Speaker 1: And so he would mess with you after Man, you
Speaker 1: sit there, you're there for two and a half hours
Speaker 1: watching film. Not realize that you're watching film. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he and big thing was preparation. Phil does not yell
Speaker 1: in the game, but in practice, if he got to,
Speaker 1: let you have it, anybody right, anybody, everybody would get
Speaker 1: to because I used to go to Cold Crazy and
Speaker 1: run on two. He used to go to run on
Speaker 1: test run tests to go right back at him. See
Speaker 1: that was we didn't have to do that. Dennis Robin
Speaker 1: said nothing, Dennis. You can you can call Dennis all
Speaker 1: kind of names. He would say nothing that Phil said,
Speaker 1: run through that wall, Dennis through that wall. Um. But
Speaker 1: he expected us to be professional and and he would
Speaker 1: he would say that. He was like, I'm not expecting
Speaker 1: you to lose, right, you shouldn't expect to lose. You
Speaker 1: it's going to be a competition. But if we if
Speaker 1: we this is our only defense. You can't let your
Speaker 1: man get in between you and the basket. Now, if
Speaker 1: you jump over me and dunk over me, that's one thing.
Speaker 1: If you shoot over me if I'm in front of you,
Speaker 1: that's a good defense. So he didn't make you feel
Speaker 1: crazy about doing anything. Uh, but I love Phil Man. Phil.
Speaker 1: You know, I came back. Phil had that meeting with me.
Speaker 1: It's called fifteen minutes for Phil. He said, well, said,
Speaker 1: I have no real estate for you. What you're gonna do?
Speaker 1: And I said, well, I guess some smoke weed the summer. Um,
Speaker 1: I he's no real estate now, and I was gonna
Speaker 1: go to Golden State probably say yeah, I got something
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, he would have, but he I wish
Speaker 1: I had and I could have gone and kept playing.
Speaker 1: I was thirty six two two years ago, and then
Speaker 1: I made that decision. I did him. I did three
Speaker 1: movies that summer, and then I started hosting BT Live
Speaker 1: and I knew I was at that was what about Pitt?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean obviously super talented. You know, last
Speaker 1: year on his book tour, he was saying a lot
Speaker 1: of different things. Um let me tell you man, um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just so that's why I said it's over. Um he uh,
Speaker 1: Pitt literally with me. Uh. We went to eat. When
Speaker 1: he first came in the lead, I would trade tickets
Speaker 1: with him. I met larsa uh when he told me
Speaker 1: how he met her. I mean it was this was it.
Speaker 1: And he was always different. Quiet stand office. Now when
Speaker 1: I see the interviews, you know, it seems different. And
Speaker 1: then he was selling his weed and my boy put
Speaker 1: me on FaceTime. He's like, hey, uh, I don't know
Speaker 1: what that is. You know what I'm saying, so I
Speaker 1: keep it moving. But Pitt, I used to say, was
Speaker 1: the most skilled player I ever played with because one
Speaker 1: of his arms come to here. He can dribble it,
Speaker 1: shoot it. He had an unbelievable basketball I Q and
Speaker 1: everybody thought. I was saying it was better than Michael Jordan's. No,
Speaker 1: it's what Michael needed. Um I played. You know Michael
Speaker 1: needs a lot, you know, because it's one basketball and
Speaker 1: it was five guys in a way. But I used
Speaker 1: to think he was so scared. Phil Jackson used to
Speaker 1: say the same and then he said Phil was racist, um,
Speaker 1: which I thought was crazy. Um I did. I still
Speaker 1: think it's crazy. I don't think Phil is racist. I think, Um,
Speaker 1: he's a white guy born in South or North Dakota
Speaker 1: and born in the forties, So you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: get a remnant of somebody born from that time. But
Speaker 1: it far from being a racist in my opinion. Um,
Speaker 1: I like his uh, I like his dreadlocks kinda kinda.
Speaker 1: He's trying a lot of looks trying to I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know stack about the dreadlocks. I can't do
Speaker 1: dread That team best team ever by far, the best
Speaker 1: team ever. Even though Golden State won seventy three, they
Speaker 1: lost chip. So um to get that far and not
Speaker 1: win the chip not good enough? They win the chip?
Speaker 1: Did the best team ever ever? Yeah? Because a lot
Speaker 1: of focus. Yeah. Gary Payton said one time that in
Speaker 1: the nine finals that if he would have guarded mj
Speaker 1: the whole time, it would have been a different story.
Speaker 1: Who said this friend of the program? Any truth to that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give me my Michael Jordan's impression. Gary, something
Speaker 1: is my is my guy. If they spread out, which
Speaker 1: we didn't do, and let Michael do with it, he
Speaker 1: would have been in foul trouble. First quarter. You're not
Speaker 1: God and this guy, Look, we we had to have
Speaker 1: rules when he caught the ball, and no one got
Speaker 1: mad when their man scored. We just knew that if
Speaker 1: Michael wasn't scored, he was going to implode that squad.
Speaker 1: So we knew that when we went up to play
Speaker 1: in Seattle and uh we lost. The next day, those
Speaker 1: guys were out on the boat playing cards. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like, oh, Okay, we lost the game.
Speaker 1: That's that's it. That was a game. So these guys
Speaker 1: are probably at home watching film. Michael was relaxing, chilling,
Speaker 1: and we lost a second game game game five, he
Speaker 1: was like, okay, let's go home. Let's not stretched us
Speaker 1: any further. And I don't know what they were thinking,
Speaker 1: but Michael was thinking of killing everybody on that squad,
Speaker 1: and he did in game six. So him thinking that
Speaker 1: he can guard Michael, he would have been in foul trouble.
Speaker 1: Fair enough. After winning the ninety six, you played, you
Speaker 1: had a few years overseas. What was there like? No? Man?
Speaker 1: I had six weeks six weeks, yo, man, I came here.
Speaker 1: I shot a pilot the John Sally Show for Born
Speaker 1: Investa was coming on Fox. I was gonna make I
Speaker 1: was gonna make NBA money now. And I was produca.
Speaker 1: It was a late night show. It was it was
Speaker 1: on in Popping And then um Jerry Cross told me
Speaker 1: that he can only pay me three hundred and sixty.
Speaker 1: Michael was making three hundred. I was in the game.
Speaker 1: I said, dog, I can't go to dinner with him.
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna kill me for taking three six
Speaker 1: Even though I knew they were gonna win, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: do it. So I took uh the money to go
Speaker 1: to Greece. I should have should have gone to Italy.
Speaker 1: If I would have gone to Italy, I would have
Speaker 1: never left. YEA would not be I already knew that.
Speaker 1: I knew if I went there, I wasn't leaving. But man,
Speaker 1: I get there and this coach was Tony uh Uh,
Speaker 1: Tony Coukos's coach, and he told me that if Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan played in Europe, he would only average sixteen points.
Speaker 1: I got a flight. I was like, oh, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: doing crack over here. N the crack over I know
Speaker 1: a crack at it what I see And then uh,
Speaker 1: but we went to eat and they would eat as
Speaker 1: a team like I was in college and so I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there looking at these I just want my third championship.
Speaker 1: So U I did some amazing things, and I was like,
Speaker 1: why did I come over here? Like why did I
Speaker 1: do this? It had to be just for money and
Speaker 1: you know, and I wanted to see Europe um, and
Speaker 1: I knew I was going to start my show in
Speaker 1: March or in April. So I said, I can play
Speaker 1: here until March, make three million dollars and do my show.
Speaker 1: And after six weeks, man, I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: gotta get out of here. So I escaped and as
Speaker 1: soon as I got back to America, I kissed the ground.
Speaker 1: I remember getting on my knees and you thought I
Speaker 1: was the Pope. Man. I kissed the ground and got up.
Speaker 1: I was so happy to be back, um. But it
Speaker 1: was an experience. I literally had to sneak out of
Speaker 1: the country. Yeah. I mean, you know, I act like
Speaker 1: I was picking somebody up from the airport. Uh, And
Speaker 1: I had my driver. I said, yeah, I'm picking this
Speaker 1: girl up from the airport. Man, you're amazing. Your wife
Speaker 1: just left. Yeah, you know, you gotta keep them coming,
Speaker 1: you know. The next day and I said, man, she
Speaker 1: should be let me go check this out. And I
Speaker 1: had sent all my bags back already with my wife,
Speaker 1: she had left two days earlier. Yeah, and then I
Speaker 1: flew to London. I stayed away because I just knew
Speaker 1: there was gonna be some Greek guys beat me up
Speaker 1: in the hotel. And then I got back to Miami
Speaker 1: and I was at that six weeks. Um. It was,
Speaker 1: it was, It was a trip. I'm gonna tell you,
Speaker 1: if you ever go to Greece, Uh, the most gangster
Speaker 1: place you ever go is Egypt. Um, David, David, you
Speaker 1: look Egyptian. I don't know if you ever heard that,
Speaker 1: but you look Egyptian, Spanish for the rig he looked.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of nations he can pass for take
Speaker 1: him to Egypt, and they gonna start talking to him
Speaker 1: in Arabic. Uh. But this is how gangs it was
Speaker 1: in Egypt. I was a suddenly I looking and I
Speaker 1: don't have my ticket, but I'm you, they don't send
Speaker 1: in your ticket ahead. And I get there and I go,
Speaker 1: what's up? And there's this one place you gotta take
Speaker 1: your bags through, and the gangsters there, there's no cops.
Speaker 1: The cops are gangster. And I wish your ticket I
Speaker 1: go at the counter. He goes, you know, you gotta
Speaker 1: have a ticket. I was gonna cost you twenty dollars
Speaker 1: for the ticket. So I had to pay twenty dollars
Speaker 1: to get my bags through, then go and get my ticket.
Speaker 1: And I sat there. I was like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: the way it is. It cost me a hundred dollars
Speaker 1: to get on the plane was on top of my ticket.
Speaker 1: It took me the guy taking the bags. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to push my own bag like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you don't do that, hesse so no, I gotta go. No,
Speaker 1: took my hand off it, gave it to this guy.
Speaker 1: He caught it, he said, tipped him. I tipped and
Speaker 1: I was like, what's the deal. He was like, that's
Speaker 1: the only way you get out of Egypt. But it
Speaker 1: was like that in Greece. To Greece was gangster. They
Speaker 1: were like, if they can get it, they would get it.
Speaker 1: They're gonna get it. I went the miking Ons one
Speaker 1: time in a little kids on the street come up
Speaker 1: to you and packs looking for money, patting your pockets
Speaker 1: and ship at the end one Yeah, you would have
Speaker 1: been back handed. You would have looked like like Bernie
Speaker 1: Max walking through that joint smacking people for real. Two
Speaker 1: thousands joined the lake. Was first impression against that all
Speaker 1: world team that you joined. Well, my favorite players, El Gambler.
Speaker 1: That's why I was twenty two one of the reasons.
Speaker 1: And so I told him that was a lot different.
Speaker 1: But I see him being your favorite player. Man, he
Speaker 1: was totally different. And I had that twenty two on
Speaker 1: and I don't know what happened, man, John Black wasn't
Speaker 1: paying attention I, so I knew it was hanging in
Speaker 1: the rafters and then he then he was like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, come on. And then guys had to make
Speaker 1: me a new jersey and gave me number sixteen. And
Speaker 1: I was going like this, and then uh, I called
Speaker 1: my brother and I said, yeah, man, I had my
Speaker 1: jersey on it. That he goes, how does it feel
Speaker 1: have yellow? Because in my brain in Detroit, you know,
Speaker 1: those are ye backs like their punks. They do you
Speaker 1: wear a yellow like you're wearing yellow, Johnny? And I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, man, and when when yellow? Can you
Speaker 1: believe that? I said, to some purple in it, But
Speaker 1: it's yellow for real, it's yellow. And we used to
Speaker 1: say that in Detroit, like if you see a yellow
Speaker 1: when they take their jersey off, they offended you, like
Speaker 1: you want to hit every single one of them. I
Speaker 1: did the same thing with red, red and white. I
Speaker 1: could red and white just when I put it on.
Speaker 1: I just kept looking at it and I called my
Speaker 1: brother again. He was like, I don't know, man, you're changing.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't believe it. Yeah, Like, what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do with that red with that yellow on?
Speaker 1: I thought they were white jerseys. I just remembered they
Speaker 1: were always yellow. Um. My brother lost old my jersey
Speaker 1: after we won the championship. Though I was looking for
Speaker 1: it and my jersey was missing. I know where it's at.
Speaker 1: It in Detroit twenty one year old Kobe I told
Speaker 1: Michael Man at seven, Kobe was unbelievable. But twenty one
Speaker 1: we would go to we would go, we would go
Speaker 1: eat and then he had a VCR and we would watch.
Speaker 1: He would have just everything, Kobe. He would have everything
Speaker 1: cut up of all these plays, but he had everything
Speaker 1: on Michael, every single move. Um. He would watch. There
Speaker 1: was guys like Michael Ray Richardson, which they won't talk
Speaker 1: about in the NBA. He would watch all the dudes
Speaker 1: who would who would do things and and I remember
Speaker 1: saying that. I was like, you should just watch your
Speaker 1: pops play because jelly being to me was was the
Speaker 1: only thing that happened with jelly Bean was Dr J.
Speaker 1: And if Dr J was not there, we'll be talking
Speaker 1: about Jelly being bright. He was. He was gangster too,
Speaker 1: So I would watch film with him. I even I
Speaker 1: went to the studio with a man to hear his
Speaker 1: record overhead the Sony studio, and uh, he was the
Speaker 1: first person I saw with a Matt black car. Everybody
Speaker 1: else thought it was dirty. I realized it was. It was.
Speaker 1: It was wrapped and it was. It was black on black,
Speaker 1: and he loved everything black. His room, his bedroom was
Speaker 1: black and black on black. Um, so yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He was a different cat man. I thought the record
Speaker 1: was good. You know who dom I? I thought. I
Speaker 1: thought the kid did a good job. And then he
Speaker 1: got clowned and stepped away from it. But we played
Speaker 1: one on one every day and I beat him because
Speaker 1: I'm seven foot and the game is to seven and
Speaker 1: I get the ball first because I'm older, and I
Speaker 1: would just back him down, score, let him score back
Speaker 1: until he realized, I said, dude, I'm never gonna lose
Speaker 1: this game. It's like, we can't. You know. A matter
Speaker 1: of fact, when I was on the Best damn Sports show,
Speaker 1: you know if your wonderful studio, I heard show time
Speaker 1: got some money, Um, if they want to pay for it.
Speaker 1: I got him to say it on camera. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got him to say it on camera. He's like, so
Speaker 1: I beat me? He said he seven four. I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I ain't beat him every day. How was the
Speaker 1: Shock and Cober's relationship. It was great. I got so
Speaker 1: I was filming behind the scenes and when Kobe twisted
Speaker 1: his ankle, you know, Shock was carried him. I just think, uh,
Speaker 1: it got to the point and Shock said it was
Speaker 1: his fault, like he was listening to people who Shock
Speaker 1: no longer listens to who that. They were saying things
Speaker 1: like he's getting all the commercials, he's getting all lessens.
Speaker 1: That wasn't the true. Yeah, I didn't see it, not
Speaker 1: the first year, and I don't think it it became
Speaker 1: something until the third year. Right now. Man Matt talked
Speaker 1: about this all the time about how how it's important
Speaker 1: that these teams have a vent or somebody that played
Speaker 1: in the game on these sidelines. You was thirty five
Speaker 1: at the time. How important was it for you to
Speaker 1: be there and to and how it important is it
Speaker 1: to have vets on the sideline of young guys, especially
Speaker 1: because you had Kobe at the yade. They called me
Speaker 1: since because I was literally just took over for what
Speaker 1: a d was teaching me. I remember I had Devin George.
Speaker 1: I took him to get a facial I said, those
Speaker 1: little black marks and there's no freckles though, that's called
Speaker 1: black head. And then he got braces and you couldn't
Speaker 1: tell him and he already had green eyes. You could
Speaker 1: tell him nothing. Boy, Yeah he was. He was. Devin
Speaker 1: was my guy. But um, when you have a vet
Speaker 1: that I would say this too. Hey, we're going to
Speaker 1: the club, you got twenty minutes like they would want to.
Speaker 1: You are staying all night, we're doing were hopping and um,
Speaker 1: you know we're here for a reason, not a season.
Speaker 1: So get what you're looking for and we're back out
Speaker 1: and watch what you're doing. Don't sit around buying drinks
Speaker 1: because people see you drinking, they're gonna do what they
Speaker 1: did did Charles Bockley. They're gonna say something, They're gonna
Speaker 1: they're gonna get your face. Um. Also it's just keeping
Speaker 1: them focused the way everything was, uh, and how and
Speaker 1: like hey, because Phil was so like he said, they
Speaker 1: expect you to be professional. So when guys would seem
Speaker 1: like they were moving to certain way and like, nah,
Speaker 1: we're here to win a championship. And it was from
Speaker 1: the beginning you say, we're here to win a championship
Speaker 1: and out here we're gonna play hard. No, we're here
Speaker 1: to win a championship. But then it's the only reason
Speaker 1: we're here. You're getting paid so we can win a championship. Um.
Speaker 1: My first time smoke weed was in Sacramento, obviously, and uh,
Speaker 1: it was the first time. I slept eight hours too.
Speaker 1: And I got up and it was so you tried
Speaker 1: this year? My senior Yeah, my senior year, my last year,
Speaker 1: my senior Yeah, I was a senior citizen. Uh and
Speaker 1: my last year. And I mean I got on the
Speaker 1: bus with five minutes to go without a jersey, just
Speaker 1: just to sweattop on. And they were like, yeah, what's
Speaker 1: up Va, what's up that? And I went to my teammate,
Speaker 1: I won't divulge, and I was like and when he
Speaker 1: gave it to me, he was like, wow, this is
Speaker 1: the chronic now. I was like, man, give me that,
Speaker 1: and man, my left leg became my right leg. And
Speaker 1: I was feeling on myself. I was outside doing yoga.
Speaker 1: I was in Warrior posed, I was bending backwards. I
Speaker 1: was like, man, if I had this from the beginning
Speaker 1: in the NBA, it was that Laker team, man, but
Speaker 1: it was there. Was It was cool because I remember
Speaker 1: Kobe proved the A C Green he was not to
Speaker 1: be played where they went in a shower area and
Speaker 1: had a wrestling match. Yeah, we got him in that headlock,
Speaker 1: and that's a big gass head to get in the lock. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to get activated in the sign. I don't know how,
Speaker 1: but you got a C in the headlock. And he
Speaker 1: was like, alright, alright, cool, I'll leave you alone. Uh.
Speaker 1: It was that kind of thing we did. There was
Speaker 1: no punchers throw, nothing like that. Checked that year m
Speaker 1: v P thirty points, fourteen rebounds. Well, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think you know, with all due respect to Will, Shack
Speaker 1: was the most dominant player because he went up against
Speaker 1: more bigs. There were bigs. Thoughts on Shock and just
Speaker 1: that season in particular with him, Let's go back, Let's
Speaker 1: go back. I saw his face when you said that
Speaker 1: the most dominant player seven ever was World Chamber. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you why he's going to hunt it, bro,
Speaker 1: that was I was gonna say, it's gonna hunting three
Speaker 1: and they told him he couldn't done magic. I'm asking
Speaker 1: you this though, but Shaq is the most talented big
Speaker 1: man I've ever ever seen. And this was a trip
Speaker 1: shock to me. When he was mad. Everybody was in
Speaker 1: trouble and Phil knew how to keep this dude piste off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, to push them, but it's different for
Speaker 1: everybody too. Yeah. He he would mention, Wait, he would mention.
Speaker 1: He would say all kinds of things slide and then uh,
Speaker 1: Remember I were coming to him and I said, hey,
Speaker 1: Shock needs a break today, Like you need to break
Speaker 1: for what? He's not a ship. I said, not today,
Speaker 1: not today, because you could tell Shot come in and
Speaker 1: he didn't want to hear it. You know, me and
Speaker 1: Travis Knight was going to get the butt of him
Speaker 1: backing up an elbowing and trying to dunk on people.
Speaker 1: And I just knew when Shot would need a break,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you need a break, You're all right,
Speaker 1: You're gonna play tonight. Not that much of a break.
Speaker 1: You paid me a mere thirty minute play him, but
Speaker 1: be nice, you know that kind of ship. I got
Speaker 1: a question though, back to the Will thing. I feel
Speaker 1: numbers don't lie, but they can be. The tour from
Speaker 1: a standpoint out on a consistent night, every was he
Speaker 1: playing against someone who was close to his size, at
Speaker 1: least bigger than six eight, bigger than six ten. Every
Speaker 1: because you think of the era that Shock ran through,
Speaker 1: with all the big body guys he had to go against.
Speaker 1: I don't ever discredit Will because it's incredible, but I
Speaker 1: don't feel like I don't feel like distant basis. He
Speaker 1: was playing against real centers. Yeah, well you used to
Speaker 1: be allowed to remember, these guys are playing with canvas
Speaker 1: and rubber on the bottom, and you never played in
Speaker 1: the Boston Garden, and so in the Boston Garden before
Speaker 1: they became the new Boston Garden, it seemed like they
Speaker 1: just put the parcae wherever they wanted. It was. It
Speaker 1: was the worst thing to ever play off. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was the worst cart ever to play and you play
Speaker 1: I just look at their life was different and rougher,
Speaker 1: But I look at like Will Chamberlain had this unbelievable
Speaker 1: fade away and there was no way you're gonna stop
Speaker 1: his finger roll, which looked to be the worst shot ever,
Speaker 1: but it worked all the time. Yeah, he would he
Speaker 1: would do all kind of and he was like this
Speaker 1: still he'll go to bank. Was long and length he
Speaker 1: and and strong as as hell man. But like shot,
Speaker 1: if we ran a regular offense, Shock would have scored
Speaker 1: forty game. Like we needed to tryangle so everybody else
Speaker 1: could get the ball and so they wouldn't just focus
Speaker 1: on it. But the Shock. I remember I went to
Speaker 1: Kaie practice every day. Me and Dr Tom Mayron I
Speaker 1: were best. But like after practice, I go right third Street.
Speaker 1: He would put my neck and back and border and
Speaker 1: then I go home. He would just leaning against him
Speaker 1: and I told him I was behind him each time
Speaker 1: to fill with call out certain calls. I would just
Speaker 1: stand behind him and hold them and then move them
Speaker 1: in the position right. And I was like, he was like,
Speaker 1: why can't I just when they throw the ball there,
Speaker 1: just back right here? I said you could. It's not
Speaker 1: to play, and that became shocks play. If you came
Speaker 1: down and you threw it in the corner, you was
Speaker 1: about you were about to fail him. There was no
Speaker 1: way of stopping him. Um when I saw shotgunk on, yeah, Ming,
Speaker 1: I stood next to y'all ming, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know what I would have done. I probably did
Speaker 1: all my pension ship, you know, trying to you know,
Speaker 1: pull your job, strap popping and all that kind of ship.
Speaker 1: And I would I would literally like grab guys under air, underhair,
Speaker 1: arm ship like that, anything anything to get you to
Speaker 1: throw a punch. And if I if you miss, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna look at the ref like ref, what's so angry? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: I studied martial arts for a long time and I
Speaker 1: boxed for a long time, and I'm a non violent
Speaker 1: um jokester. But no one ever threw a punch at me.
Speaker 1: I remember I told one guy. I told Linzo, I
Speaker 1: said swing at me. I said, I promise you you
Speaker 1: should swing at me. I said, you will, you should
Speaker 1: swing at you? My half something. Yeah, And I remember
Speaker 1: we just thought of messing with him. I said, Dennis
Speaker 1: thinks you're cute, and Dennis with you know, Dennis had asthma,
Speaker 1: so he you know, he's breathing funnier and he was like,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with y'all? Said, he thinks you're cute because
Speaker 1: I've seen the video. Uh. Den Ron was standing straight
Speaker 1: behind him and he goes and as Zoe comes out
Speaker 1: of the game, he looked at you, sick motherfucker. Dennis
Speaker 1: is like, anyway to get He was like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Look at his calves, got great calves. Look at his calves.
Speaker 1: Calves are great. How did you get calves like that?
Speaker 1: Lines of was like, y'all, that's sick. But like Oakley, Oakley.
Speaker 1: Oakley would want to fight me all the time too. Uh,
Speaker 1: but that that guy you have to he would punch
Speaker 1: you in the face. Watch yourself. Keep that left up,
Speaker 1: keep that left up. And his fingers are already ready
Speaker 1: to fight. He walked like this, he's ready to make
Speaker 1: a fist. Yeah. Man, I've been around too. I talked
Speaker 1: to him yesterday. Accident. Oak was, Man, you call it quits.
Speaker 1: In the early two thousand, reflect back four Rings, you
Speaker 1: got to play on the bad Boy Pistons, the Great
Speaker 1: Argue with the greatest team of all time with m
Speaker 1: J and then you got to see shock in Kobe.
Speaker 1: When you look back in your career, what do you
Speaker 1: think about I think when I look I do this
Speaker 1: a lot. I go back, I would have done more
Speaker 1: push ups, more pull ups, more chin ups. I would
Speaker 1: have started yoga earlier. I would have literally God bless
Speaker 1: Adrian Danley for working on my diet since I was
Speaker 1: a rookie. Um, I would have shot more jump shots. Um,
Speaker 1: that's what I would have done. I would have I
Speaker 1: would have literally made my outside game to the point
Speaker 1: where they had to let me shoot. Um. When I
Speaker 1: go back, I should have made Phil signed me for
Speaker 1: the second second time around. Uh, I should I should
Speaker 1: have had a conversation about that. But I looked back
Speaker 1: at my career and so my said, Man, if you
Speaker 1: would have played harder, you would have been an All star.
Speaker 1: I was like I was a champion. Plus I got
Speaker 1: to go to the parties and sleep in on Sunday
Speaker 1: and sell my ticket, I mean give my tickets to
Speaker 1: someone else. Uh. Always was the hustle. And but I
Speaker 1: looked back at it, and I go I I had
Speaker 1: really good teammates. Um. I loved I loved every team
Speaker 1: I played. I learned something each time. Uh. In my
Speaker 1: career that's bettered me in my adult life. M hm, yeah,
Speaker 1: acting I know you're good at it. Let me just
Speaker 1: tell you, I watched your show and that time you
Speaker 1: did that scene for who called me? I called you?
Speaker 1: I did you called me? That was? You have no
Speaker 1: idea that people go to acting class for five ten
Speaker 1: years and couldn't do what you did in that second.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it's like that can't do it. So
Speaker 1: I've gone to auditions and I walked in and I'm
Speaker 1: looking and guys look at me and look around, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, I'm gonna get this, and then
Speaker 1: Terry Crew will walk in. I would walk out because
Speaker 1: I was Terry's gonna get this and he would get
Speaker 1: every single role. But I loved that. To me, that
Speaker 1: was the closest I got to basketball. Is that competition.
Speaker 1: Going to work with my acting coach, Ivana Chubbik, who
Speaker 1: was the greatest, Go work with her, get something and
Speaker 1: then go and do a piece. And whether I got
Speaker 1: it or not, I'm thinking, well I killed that one.
Speaker 1: They should have picked me. Like when I did Sneakarella,
Speaker 1: I they told me it was Kevin Garnett and and
Speaker 1: Mari Started and all these other people. I was like,
Speaker 1: you gotta be kidding me. I'm about to go and
Speaker 1: kill this piece. It took me like three days to
Speaker 1: work on it and then I just had to relax.
Speaker 1: But but in acting, man, the cool thing about acting
Speaker 1: is you playing the character. And I just heard Denzy
Speaker 1: Washington say that one time. And so I never walked
Speaker 1: in as John Sally, so I have no ego with
Speaker 1: the role. Remember they were talking about Will Smith playing
Speaker 1: in Six Degrees of Separation and Will said his biggest
Speaker 1: mistake was he didn't go full. He didn't do exactly
Speaker 1: as a strip set because he was more worried about
Speaker 1: being Will Smith than the character. But then you run
Speaker 1: into halle Berry and months the ball. Who wasn't halle Berry,
Speaker 1: she was the character. And when you give into being
Speaker 1: a character, that the great right, the great stuff happens.
Speaker 1: Jamie Fox, like y'all have, Kevin hard On, I love
Speaker 1: Kevin hard. Kevin hard is my favorite entertainer right now
Speaker 1: because she's doing more than just acting. He's being an
Speaker 1: entertainer and I love that about it. What has been
Speaker 1: your favorite role? Do you love playing yourself? Up? Playing Fletcher?
Speaker 1: I love playing Fletcher. So in l A's Finance with
Speaker 1: Gabrielle Union and Jessica alba Um, I got to play
Speaker 1: Fletcher on l A's Finest I think seven times. So
Speaker 1: I love playing a character because I literally can take
Speaker 1: it as far as I want because it has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with me. Um And I tell anybody want
Speaker 1: to act, be the character. When you and I did
Speaker 1: what was that show with Laura London? No? B two?
Speaker 1: We don't remember the name of the show, but we're
Speaker 1: sitting there and Matt was like, yeah, the game. And
Speaker 1: we were sitting there and you were like, uh, we
Speaker 1: got notes. I was like, no, let's just we'll know
Speaker 1: when the cameras on when they tell us the camera's
Speaker 1: on us. Let's just act like some something we heard
Speaker 1: a scene. Uh, and it's going in your brain. Just
Speaker 1: make sure you hit the marks and and you watch
Speaker 1: and not like you hear Jamie Fox sitting around talking
Speaker 1: about when they're on set and there's Leonardo the APO
Speaker 1: and this Samuel Jackson and just watching guys go through there.
Speaker 1: A great movie to watch is Once upon a Time
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, because that is how this acting thing is.
Speaker 1: It's if you want to get out. And every time
Speaker 1: you watch it, you said, I should have done it again,
Speaker 1: I should have done I should have done this. I
Speaker 1: don't like that. So I go in and my and
Speaker 1: if I know we're gonna shoot it, and how many
Speaker 1: times you're gonna shoot it, I know when the camera's
Speaker 1: over here, that's my PLV when the camera and I'm
Speaker 1: giving it to you every single time, the way I
Speaker 1: wanted to come out and when I look back, like,
Speaker 1: I love sneaker Rella because in my brain that's on
Speaker 1: Disney Plus uh, in my brain, even though I was
Speaker 1: playing an X ball player, that's how I think the
Speaker 1: character would have acted. So it was easy somebody who's
Speaker 1: starting and acting like myself for other people, and they
Speaker 1: actually put some advice. What would what would you give?
Speaker 1: Um when you get on set when when it's your
Speaker 1: turn on set, that's your turn. When it's not your turn, watch,
Speaker 1: sit with the camera guys, sit with the focus pullers. Um,
Speaker 1: don't touch anybody, don't give anybody hugs, bounce everybody. That's
Speaker 1: a that's a hint for now. Just because a hug
Speaker 1: chick may have a bad day. He touched me wrong.
Speaker 1: Now to everybody. Respect everybody, but literally know everybody's job.
Speaker 1: So like your cameramen here are terrible. But besides these
Speaker 1: horrible cameramen, there's some really good ones. Now we'll ask
Speaker 1: them questions like why is that a seventeen? Why is
Speaker 1: that thirty five? What's that one shooting? Uh? Danny Danny DeVito. Man,
Speaker 1: it's been a friend of mine since I got to Hollywood.
Speaker 1: He let me come watch him direct and he had
Speaker 1: three cameras working at a time in a movie which
Speaker 1: was they didn't do that a lot, and I had
Speaker 1: to watch him control all that piece. Then when I
Speaker 1: was shooting Eddie Whoopie Goldberg, we shot that in um
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. They watched the dailies that night before
Speaker 1: they sent them out. After shooting fourteen sixteen hours, they
Speaker 1: go back and watch what they shot. I went sat
Speaker 1: and watched them. They go, why are you watching dailies?
Speaker 1: I was like, let's see if I'm gonna get better
Speaker 1: as this movie goes on, and like there's great writers.
Speaker 1: When the writers are sitting around and you see him
Speaker 1: in the writing room and you keep seeing the script
Speaker 1: change going the writer's room, like ask them what they're
Speaker 1: thinking about because you might get more lines too, especially
Speaker 1: if they think they're writing for you, and this is
Speaker 1: how you would deliver it. The script is a living thing.
Speaker 1: You may have one line in the beginning of the movie,
Speaker 1: and if they see that you're a character, you might
Speaker 1: end up with way more lines. So it's competition too.
Speaker 1: Don't think it's not. You're competing against every other actor there,
Speaker 1: whether they want you to believe that or not. And
Speaker 1: you're this job is only an audition for your next job.
Speaker 1: You told me you've got some stuff from me too,
Speaker 1: I do. I got I got a movie for you
Speaker 1: that is excited. And that's another thing. I always think movies.
Speaker 1: I love sports movies, but I like uh, I like
Speaker 1: movies that literally take you out of what we're known
Speaker 1: to do. Like like, that's why I love Kanye because
Speaker 1: he proves me. He said, I could be a designer.
Speaker 1: I don't have to just be a rap star. I
Speaker 1: can be I can be a rock star and a designer.
Speaker 1: I like that piece. Fatherhood. Yeah, what's that like for you?
Speaker 1: It's a It's amazing. It is an amazing thing. Two
Speaker 1: literally have kids and then watch them make their choices
Speaker 1: in life. And I'm big, you know me when my
Speaker 1: my daughters that they know not to come with me
Speaker 1: with anything because everything I tell them is a choice.
Speaker 1: Happiness is a choice where you go as a the
Speaker 1: choice who you're around, who you who you with, It's
Speaker 1: all a choice. I try to give him as many
Speaker 1: as much wisdom as a sense they would give him.
Speaker 1: They obviously only one or two listens. But uh that's
Speaker 1: that's that part. And I think every day. Man, I
Speaker 1: used to sleep hard. I sleep like because now I
Speaker 1: gotta keep my phone on. But uh, I love my daughters.
Speaker 1: My daughters are probably the best daughters of anybody's daughters. Ever.
Speaker 1: I think the thing with my really, Yeah, your daughter
Speaker 1: is not as cool as mine, So I think we
Speaker 1: need cool off. Yeah, the space you appreciate. Now, talk
Speaker 1: to us about what you're doing in the space. Uh.
Speaker 1: My daughter, Tyler is the CEO of Deuces twenty two. Um,
Speaker 1: we can't call it that in Detroit. One guy got
Speaker 1: my name. He's tough on it too, so it's called
Speaker 1: Spider twenty two in Detroit. And uh, high Time says
Speaker 1: she was in the top fifty women in cannabis, which
Speaker 1: is cool, m man. So I got we We finally
Speaker 1: found the grower out in Cathedral City too far our weed,
Speaker 1: and we own a packaging company. Uh it just happens
Speaker 1: to be the package that the weed goes in uh.
Speaker 1: And that's the way I had to make it a
Speaker 1: packaging company because you can't put weed money in the bank.
Speaker 1: We ain't make no money yet, but we're about to
Speaker 1: God willing the creek don't rise, and and we only
Speaker 1: do flour's going We're gonna start with pre rows. They
Speaker 1: dry it out. And I don't want a bad product, um,
Speaker 1: And I don't want my weed to literally taste like
Speaker 1: everybody else's. I want you literally to get in where'd
Speaker 1: you get this? So I believe in boutique growers. And
Speaker 1: what we get, we get. If I can get thirty
Speaker 1: pounds of great weed, that's what we put in a container.
Speaker 1: If I'm going only get ten, that's what we're putt
Speaker 1: in the container. And we literally developing the brand to
Speaker 1: sell the brand from when the Canadians come in and
Speaker 1: buy it when it when it But we had to.
Speaker 1: I think brands are the future of cannabis because there's
Speaker 1: so much out there and there's so much trash out there.
Speaker 1: I've never gotten bad weed from Steven. Always say that
Speaker 1: you've never Yeah, I've never got bad weed from you.
Speaker 1: That is that is a wonderful thing. Um. And then
Speaker 1: everywhere Viola went remember I would show up and I
Speaker 1: guess I guess Harold Dion realized. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you what you're doing? And when he did it, I said,
Speaker 1: how's that going. No, man, ain't doing it. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: do it. If Viola didn't do it, I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: And so we just decided, let's make it simple, let's
Speaker 1: just be connoisseurs of cannabis, and then my daughter's show
Speaker 1: comes out. We put a show together of the making
Speaker 1: of this brand. I know how to do TV, so
Speaker 1: you know, I grabbed the cameras like I'm gonna grab
Speaker 1: two of your cameras out of here, and uh, and
Speaker 1: we just everywhere we we could go and film. We
Speaker 1: did just so we can help destigmatize cannabis. Important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta title for the show my daughter's show. Um.
Speaker 1: I was gonna call making a brand, but so many
Speaker 1: people had that name of it. Um, I think we're
Speaker 1: just going to call it Deuces twenty two to making
Speaker 1: a cannabis brand. I think that's that. Yeah. Check. I
Speaker 1: got my own streaming service too. I've been watching y'all
Speaker 1: and watching everybody, so I hooked up with this company
Speaker 1: called Altered My man black. Mike introduced me to him,
Speaker 1: my boy Josh, and uh yeah, and so I yeah,
Speaker 1: so I yeah, I said, Uh, that's what the block is, right,
Speaker 1: So I gotta I gotta one that deals with would
Speaker 1: on What are you talking about the CTV stuff? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got when I started realizing I could make my
Speaker 1: own that if I put it on another network, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say the name because they don't pay me YouTube.
Speaker 1: Um now, if I go on there, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: make any money. I should control the ads. And at
Speaker 1: this time, every every rap artists can control a chance
Speaker 1: to wrap it and control everything. Why do I have
Speaker 1: to submit to anybody but my own thing? I try
Speaker 1: to get with showtime. They just never called me back sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, they said, we got this show called
Speaker 1: All the Smoke. What do we need with you? What
Speaker 1: kind of shows do you watch in your spare time?
Speaker 1: What kind of stuff are you into? I'm into everything
Speaker 1: that deals with Egyptology. I watch which was developed by
Speaker 1: the Greeks, uh, by the French long story the anything
Speaker 1: would redo in the house. And I watched football like
Speaker 1: a maniac. I because the Cowboys just just puff against you.
Speaker 1: We won last night. We won we're two on one.
Speaker 1: What's wanted to opposite? I love Debo. Debo is my favorite.
Speaker 1: Just go get him the ball. That's the problem. There's
Speaker 1: only one ball. H I like any team Tom Brady
Speaker 1: is on, but I'm a fan of Aaron Rodgers. So
Speaker 1: watching the game the other day, I was like biting
Speaker 1: my fingers like I had something to do with it.
Speaker 1: But I like I like everything Tom tom Brady does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he makes you better quick hitters. Piece of advice you
Speaker 1: would give your young self. You're younger self, excuse me,
Speaker 1: become vegan earlier and do yoga two hours a day.
Speaker 1: Two hours. That's a long time. So I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with back stuff and everybody telling me you
Speaker 1: gotta do yoga. Yeah, you gotta. Also, I can stop
Speaker 1: your back pain. Um, you have lower back page. My
Speaker 1: bottom dis is gone. Oh who told you that? I
Speaker 1: won't got to the doctor, so it's it's removed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you should get calonics. I know it sounds crazy.
Speaker 1: The reason your bottom disk is gone is your lower
Speaker 1: intestines is full of crap. So all the water that
Speaker 1: your lower intestines is looking for, it starts grabbing it
Speaker 1: from the closest places. That's why you're lower. So your
Speaker 1: disk is only water. Now, once you clear your body
Speaker 1: and it's not leaching water from that disk, and you
Speaker 1: extend your back by doing yoga, the disk will fill
Speaker 1: back up with water. Okay, m hm, gang, you committed
Speaker 1: to get to come? All right? It's six dollars drink
Speaker 1: of water that's gonna make it work. So if you
Speaker 1: drink water, they gotta be spring water and you gotta
Speaker 1: put bacon solder. So remember when we drink water, we
Speaker 1: don't absorb it. Um if it's just plain water. If
Speaker 1: you have sea salt, a little bit of bacon solder
Speaker 1: in it, then of kidneys because you only want to
Speaker 1: drink water to absorb it so your body can use it.
Speaker 1: But if it doesn't have anything in, it goes straight
Speaker 1: to your bladder. If it's gonna make me healthy, and
Speaker 1: I do a clinic, I ain't tripping. No, Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: gonna feel great. I may not like how it feels,
Speaker 1: but I know I'm gonna feel great. So you need
Speaker 1: at least three to kind of get the man. How
Speaker 1: you know, because I've done it before. Oh wow, slatting
Speaker 1: your stomach, Why are you acting like, this stuff new
Speaker 1: to me. Give me some information on it. They don't
Speaker 1: want you to live. He don't want you to live.
Speaker 1: You're looking for a new code. He's trying to get
Speaker 1: new codes. He goes, you know, I carried the show,
Speaker 1: and you know I've been me and my group have
Speaker 1: been watching it, Like, why do I need anybody else?
Speaker 1: Even though it was the second time he said it,
Speaker 1: that ship was still funny as hell. When I went
Speaker 1: to Chicago, He's like, I was hoping you got robbed.
Speaker 1: Shout out to his episode is gonna be amazing? Can
Speaker 1: we tr se that? Top five comedians over Richard Pryor,
Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, UM, Lenny Bruce and uh Cat Williams. Nice.
Speaker 1: That's a nice five, boy, do you tell me? You
Speaker 1: tell well, you know, let me go back. I gotta
Speaker 1: drop Lenny Bruce out, Bernie Matt Bernie. The reason I
Speaker 1: said comedian because Bernie Matt was it didn't seem like
Speaker 1: he was doing a bit. It just seemed like he
Speaker 1: was talking. But Cat Williams is Cat Williams brilliant and uh,
Speaker 1: I love and right after that would be earthquake. Corey
Speaker 1: Holcom literally had me laughing so hard on my pocket
Speaker 1: he said something and I didn't want to laugh on camera,
Speaker 1: and I just because it would have been unfair and
Speaker 1: I would have getten canceled, which I got anyway. But uh,
Speaker 1: Harry Cory will make you. Uh he is. He is
Speaker 1: brother comedian for real. I like the young Cole too, hilarious.
Speaker 1: I'm doing a comedy roast for my wife for a
Speaker 1: Birthday'm gonna have mad A is one of the roasters,
Speaker 1: so you can have to pick the rist. Well one
Speaker 1: of them got a smart yeah, but I want him
Speaker 1: to like me. You know, I turned out every roast
Speaker 1: they brought to me because I said, you know, when
Speaker 1: people watch it, they think you really saying that. They
Speaker 1: don't know what's written for you, and they heartless. Nah,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be real. I got mad Mike Elp
Speaker 1: so far Mike eft is gonna kill you. They gonna
Speaker 1: do it. You can say it be doing. He'd be
Speaker 1: talking about me and all this, he said. Stuck on
Speaker 1: the Island three shows are movies in rotation. Stuck on
Speaker 1: the Island, which island the most incredible one? No women, though,
Speaker 1: then you shouldn't be You didn't kill me. The most
Speaker 1: incredible island. No women, what it was on the wife ivo?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, uh okay. So if I were to be
Speaker 1: on an island with movies first, either three movies or shows,
Speaker 1: oh shows, man, I would get Sanford and Son, I
Speaker 1: would get good Time and I would have Martin classes. Right.
Speaker 1: If I was doing movies, I would do The Godfather's Saga,
Speaker 1: Star Wars Saga and all the Spike Leads movies. Starting
Speaker 1: a lot of including yourself of your past teammates in
Speaker 1: their primes. Isaiah, uh um, this is what you're gonna
Speaker 1: have a hard one. Who would my teammates be your
Speaker 1: all time? Starting five? You can need to include yourself
Speaker 1: or not. Joe Dumars, Isaiah Thomas, Dennis Ryman, Bill and
Speaker 1: Bill Um, James Edwards and myself whatever to join the
Speaker 1: Kobe Oh because I did. I just did too. You
Speaker 1: asked me from my So we can win games with
Speaker 1: people you play with. Well, one, you got to realize
Speaker 1: when you play with Michael, you don't get to shoot.
Speaker 1: When you play with Kobe, you don't get to shoot
Speaker 1: when you play with Shot, you don't. If I'm if
Speaker 1: Shock is on my squad and somebody else shoot, I'm
Speaker 1: kicking him in the fucking leg, throw the ball to
Speaker 1: big period and the discussion. But if we're playing, I've
Speaker 1: I've literally won games and the five I gave you
Speaker 1: so I know it. But when if I had Michael
Speaker 1: on my squad, just you just had the best record
Speaker 1: of ball. So if I were to pick, if you
Speaker 1: were to say, if you were to say to me,
Speaker 1: but that was the problem because Cob has to be
Speaker 1: on the squad, they can't play together. That that would
Speaker 1: be that that'd be overkill and they wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to perform right. But if I had to pick it
Speaker 1: that way, I would have Shaquille at center, me and
Speaker 1: power forward Michael Jordan's um. I would have to have
Speaker 1: Isaiah handling the ball and then who I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: a small part, I play small forward. I would have
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen. Yeah, my favorite squad would be Brian Shaw,
Speaker 1: Glenn Rice, Steve Smith. Uh. You know I have this
Speaker 1: one dude that that played on the team with me, Uh,
Speaker 1: Willie Burton. He was He was the most fun to
Speaker 1: go out with. Sweet sweet sweet will It was the
Speaker 1: most fun to go out with her. They call you
Speaker 1: sweet dick, Sweet dick. With the first thing you're doing
Speaker 1: the morning, last thing you do at night. The first
Speaker 1: thing I do in the morning is uh wake up
Speaker 1: and UH drink. I drink about a leader of water
Speaker 1: with a little bacon solda in it. I stretch and
Speaker 1: then I go to the bathroom. And before I go
Speaker 1: to sleep at night, Uh, I smoke up a drone
Speaker 1: to guard and I have some Elevate tequila. We're switching
Speaker 1: this up this time. Go ahead, on Big Fellow. There
Speaker 1: was something I want to ask that we missed earlier.
Speaker 1: UM favorite teammate Brian Shaw, one of the coolest guys
Speaker 1: is the best. I just want you could have any
Speaker 1: guests on All the Smoke. Who would it be? Jamie Fox?
Speaker 1: Adam already great interview. Jamie Fox is the best interview
Speaker 1: and television want. Oh who you haven't had? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: said his name already. There's a lot of names. He said, Zeke.
Speaker 1: You don't have talked to him. Oh yeah, let's call
Speaker 1: him right now. He ain't gonna smoke weed now we
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, but he might drink some champage, drink
Speaker 1: something with us. Yeah. Yeah, we just want to have cloth.
Speaker 1: That's a rap, John Sally. We appreciate you man, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you for because I made it. He's official. Now
Speaker 1: finally we got a little gift box for you. Oh
Speaker 1: y'all got gifts now? Yeah, come on all the smoke
Speaker 1: of power. Oh. I get to smoke Dot Store. There,
Speaker 1: you mean I smoke Dot Store. But you know we
Speaker 1: had to show you some love. And I know you're
Speaker 1: gonna rocket. Yeah. I get to be a walking billboard
Speaker 1: for free business of Hollywood. Yeah, you can catch up
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Speaker 1: Let's see y'all next time.