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Speaker 1: Welcome Back All the Smoke Season four in l A.

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Speaker 1: I've been waiting for this one. He came and did

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Speaker 1: what was it was burning and has stories, but we

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Speaker 1: couldn't really elaborate. Today we're gonna get to elaborate. Interview him. Man.

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Speaker 1: Four time champ played with some of the greatest players

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Speaker 1: ever to live. Welcome to the show, John Sally, Thank you,

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Speaker 1: young fella. What's happened? What was happening? What's going on?

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Speaker 1: How's life? I see you have John Sally's block Party

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Speaker 1: coming soon. Is that like Chappelle's Black Party or just different?

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Speaker 1: What is it? You know? In two thousand and five, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I took over for You're about to uh show. No,

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Speaker 1: I took over for Steve Harvey in the morning and radio.

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Speaker 1: So I called it John Sally Black Party. But then

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Speaker 1: I registered that name because I just knew, you know,

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Speaker 1: after TV one did what they were gonna do, I

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Speaker 1: was going to I know, television is constantly moving, so

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Speaker 1: I kept it, and so I was doing to John

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Speaker 1: Sally the blockchain, you know, talking about crypto. So I

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Speaker 1: just kept the block party and I brought it back

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Speaker 1: because it's more than just crypto. It's more than just

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Speaker 1: the blockchain, just it's conversations on health, this conversation with music.

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Speaker 1: I got bumby Chuck, d Ralph Faelsa dick uh. And

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Speaker 1: then I got like legends like uh, Frank Brokowski from

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Speaker 1: the from Seattle and from Santa San Antonio. He choked me,

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Speaker 1: he got hit by Dennis and jumped up and choked me.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, break it's me, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we don't all look at like his lips entirely different, uh,

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Speaker 1: entirely that that bottom lip is just not he would.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how he never had a busted lip.

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Speaker 1: Like as much as he like put his face places,

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Speaker 1: it should just be blood everywhere, but it's not. Um,

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Speaker 1: I love the rod uh. And that's it. I just decided.

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Speaker 1: You know, I started back. It was Spider and the

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Speaker 1: Henchman in two thousand eleven on Adam Corolla's network, and

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Speaker 1: we were getting mad numbers. But you know, I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: I was just having fun. And then I started seeing

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Speaker 1: I was getting the main views, and I didn't know

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Speaker 1: what that meant. You know now I know how much

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Speaker 1: that means. You've always really been big in the entertainment space. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, we were talking not too longer. When we

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Speaker 1: came into the league, it was less talk about business.

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Speaker 1: It was more about cars, women, jewelry, that kind of ship.

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Speaker 1: You came in the league way before, so who no

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Speaker 1: telling what that conversation was like, but what we'd cause

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Speaker 1: the same thing. When when when the business of basketball

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Speaker 1: strike you? Because you were one of the early as

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Speaker 1: far as I said, like, I started to doing movies

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Speaker 1: TV shows. I played in the NBA just to get

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Speaker 1: into the movies. That's that's what that's what's magic. Hey listen,

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Speaker 1: I'm a O. J. Simpson fan, Fred Williamson, Um, I was.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big movie fan. And then I said, I

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Speaker 1: want to do movies. And what I realized is that

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Speaker 1: athletes in order to get in front of the TV.

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Speaker 1: Joe Namath, you had you know, if you won and

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Speaker 1: you came to Hollywood, they would put you on shows.

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Speaker 1: That's what I thought. Um, but I n eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: I came in to lead in nine eighty nine. They

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Speaker 1: gave me the microphone at the All Star Game in Houston,

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Speaker 1: and I walked in the locker room like for the

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Speaker 1: slam dunk right before the slam dunk competition and the

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Speaker 1: security wasn't gonna stop me, and inside stuff was just

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Speaker 1: like on me. And you know I'm with Ron Hopper

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Speaker 1: when so I got him, I got Dominique, and I

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Speaker 1: just said, man, I like this. This is the easiest

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Speaker 1: and Martin Lawrence and I came out here and I said,

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Speaker 1: I mean you you mentioned both their names. Uh. This

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Speaker 1: to it now. That the character you played on Bad Boys,

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Speaker 1: And how did that happen and what was that experience? Like, well,

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Speaker 1: I was in Miami and they told me that they

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Speaker 1: some bad said it to me. I said, hey, this

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Speaker 1: shot my commercial for Nike. And he was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: what's up. Man. I'm saying, hey, you're directly Yeah, I said,

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Speaker 1: you're the director. He said, you got a sad card?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I gotta sad. I don't know what a

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Speaker 1: And then uh, he said, yeah, all right, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: been friends with Spike Lee since college. Spike an't never

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Speaker 1: he put a basketball movie, didn't put me in. So

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Speaker 1: I can't curse in my first movie, and I gotta

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Speaker 1: I gotta be myself, so I gotta I gotta act

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Speaker 1: like I do no computers. I was like, let me

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Speaker 1: that's another star we don't. Yeah, I didn't know anything,

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Speaker 1: Then it was then I got on NBC. I just

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Speaker 1: got blessed with the best name spot show. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: about your upbringing the NYSC in Brooklyn. Is that like

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Speaker 1: I'm a Jehovah witness kid that you know helps rob

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Speaker 1: people when I'm not, you know, knocking on your door. Uh? No,

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Speaker 1: I was. I played with the greatest coaches. My first

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Speaker 1: in your borrow. And I was playing for different soul Stars,

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Speaker 1: I always say that. Man. I was six when Eric Jones,

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Speaker 1: watching the Nick game. He's like, man, basketball players get

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Speaker 1: But from twelve years old, I was. I played basketball,

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Speaker 1: Anything else beside basketball. Just played basketball. Yeah, I tried

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Speaker 1: I letna tell you. I used to listen to Richard

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Speaker 1: Uh but Richard Pryor. I would every every album I

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Speaker 1: You know we had albums then they didn't, you know

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Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, you get a chance to play with Mark Price?

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Speaker 1: Um going over to Atlanta? What was that like? Well?

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Speaker 1: When I visit Georgia Tech. It was Super Bowl weekend

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Speaker 1: realize he was six nine, So if you thought he

422
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: was gonna lay it up and he would dunk on

423
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: you like two thirds, didn't he have a game? We

424
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: shot all left? Oh he could have left. Yeah, well

425
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: I tell you this, I tell you stack. You know

426
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: how you play defense, you lean and then they don't

427
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: do this anymore, but they and they do a fade

428
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: away right, Everyone did it right. Guys would bang you

429
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 1: and then fade away on one leg. Try to be

430
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: like you know, uh will chamber. It would hit you

431
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: and go like this, and then you would fly by

432
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: and he'd be like stupid I'm just constantly snapping, saying

433
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: things like yo, yo, God, I'm gonna give you fifty tonight.

434
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: You know, he was like, Oh my god, they're not

435
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: gonna throw you the ball. They're not gonna throw your ball.

436
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: I would love to play with the best. You had

437
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: so many different personalities on your team. I mean, I've

438
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: growing up. You know, it was the Lakers and the

439
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: Pistons and the Celtics in the eighties who you know,

440
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: grew up watching um But you always hear about lame

441
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: Bier and Isaiah fighting. But there's a lot of strong

442
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: You're a personality, Rob me came, that's a personality, Lamber

443
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: or Isaiah or Mahorn Dantley, Like, what was what was

444
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: it like just on that team, I can go this way.

445
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: So Isaiah sat here, he's captain. Then it was another

446
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: person here, and then Joe Dumas is at this end

447
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: aj and Dantley was here. I was all the way

448
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: closer to TV and Rick Mahorn and Buddha and then

449
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: Bill and Bill Vinni Johnson side over there. So the

450
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: deal is, these are all grown men, huh. In the

451
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: locker room, they're all grown men. And when they talked

452
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: about Isaiah Bill having a fight. Um. That wasn't until um.

453
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: But they were those two captains like ran it like

454
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: like you would see on TV. They ran it like that. Um.

455
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: No one said anything to Vinnie because Vinnie was the man. Uh.

456
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: Joe Dumas was quiet. Adrian Danley and him used to

457
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: whisper uh because they don't talk right. So so you

458
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: know that guy, and then you know Dennis was Dennis

459
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: and I were just happy, uh, just to be around it.

460
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: And it was then we had Marco guide when they

461
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: d left, and they just grown men. And it's the

462
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: only way I can put it. These guys were in

463
00:27:54,600 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: their thirties and um, chuck every That's why I said

464
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: it was intense. I laughing giggle until I get to

465
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: the arena and then there's no laughing and giggling. And

466
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: then after I lose, after we win, I'm gonna talk

467
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: ship and I'm gonna laughing giggle. They didn't like that

468
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: a lot, but I would do it. Um. But those

469
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: dudes were Each one was intentive and he was gonna

470
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: come into sixth man. He was gonna get the ball

471
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: as soon as he checked in. He's gonna get the

472
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: ball right away, Isaiah gonna get him the ball bill

473
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: and Beard was allowed to shoot threes um, which was rare.

474
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: Uh funny saying it now. Uh Rick mahon was going

475
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: to beat if the there's a big man, he was

476
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: gonna bang on him and talk shipped to him. So

477
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: we just had we had like literally everybody had that role.

478
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: I grabbed the ball one time, and you know that's

479
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: why I love Kevin Durant. I'm driveling down call because

480
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm in New Yorker. Chuck. Then have a whistle, yo

481
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: yo yo, yo yo. Hey, you know who that guy

482
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: is right there? Yeah, Joe Dumar. You know that guy's

483
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: it's as the Thomas. He said, next time you grab

484
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: a rebound, you throw it to them. Don't dribble it again.

485
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to listen. Grab that dude, stop, get

486
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: him out. One time said all right, get it, I'm

487
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: gonna pull you and you get paid caught in the minutes,

488
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: I grab rebounds, no more dribbles. Just like we had rules.

489
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: We had rules. You stuck to him, and we did

490
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: in practice something that I never saw anywhere else. We

491
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: practiced the two minute drill for an hour. We we

492
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: always practice what would happen if we were down three,

493
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: if we're down five? He would practice that practice, that

494
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: practice that well. As I got older went to teams,

495
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: I started realizing guys didn't have training on what to

496
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: do in precious situations, and so our practices were technical.

497
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: And you post a stay in shape. That's on you.

498
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You stay in shape or

499
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: you don't stay on the team. Speaking of the great

500
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: Chuck Daily, Uh, why was he a perfect fit for

501
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: the Dream Team? Oh? Daddy Rich, God rest his soul

502
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: because he knew how to handle men. Like I said this,

503
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: each player is a fortune five company. To know how

504
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: to make all of these companies work together for one

505
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: goal is a is a trip because certain guys have

506
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: to get paid. I have to get numbers, certain guys

507
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: have to give rebounds. They're doing sentives. When I played,

508
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: you had to play in order to keep your spot right.

509
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't have to play you because they

510
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: gave you so much money that got to play. You know,

511
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: if you ain't playing right, we're not playing um. When

512
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: Chuck knew how to handle people, Chuck was like like

513
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, loved them like they would play golf, they

514
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: would hang out. He talked to you as like a man,

515
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: he said. He said to me one day, he said,

516
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: you keep playing like this, I'm a trade you to Milwaukee.

517
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: And he knew I didn't like Milwaukee. He said the

518
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: O no nightclubs in Milwaukee. He said, there's bars, and

519
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: it's not Detroit. It's a country town. He said, I'm

520
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: telling you that's what's gonna happen. So he had to

521
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: say to me, yeah, this he talked to me. It's

522
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: one thing he wasn't and didnt yelled at you at

523
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: the game. He yelled at me one time on the

524
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: bench and he was screaming at me and I was

525
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: sitting and I was like, all right, coach. And then

526
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: William Berfer said, why are yell at you? I said,

527
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: because he can't yell at Bill right, because he knew

528
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: he couldn't yell at Bill Lambie that would shut him down.

529
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: So he came say everything to me, and I was like,

530
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: all I got. You went before you. I know what

531
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: it was. You played in the era, obviously when that

532
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: dream team was built. Have you seen a team that

533
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: we built center can compete with them or beat them,

534
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: compete with them. No so because that this cock about

535
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: the Redeem Team and all, like you feel like Redeem

536
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: Team was dope. But let me tell you Michael Jordan

537
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: at that time and Kobe Michael was yeah two he

538
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: just won his second championship. Um, no, no, no, it

539
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: was he was a crazy human being. Charles Barkley, he

540
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 1: led the team of scoring and he realized he he

541
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: had to be the bad, mean American in order to

542
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: get some some camera time. He had no problem with it. Um,

543
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: John Stockton, No, no, this this Kyrie Irvin would have

544
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: dribbled all the way until Charles Barkley hit him. I

545
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: mean Charles would have hit him after a while. Child's

546
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: Wood just would have ran his ass and then been

547
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: like stop all that dribbled him. And and it was

548
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: a foul that it wasn't a flagrant file. Let's call

549
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: your mother, let's watch the video. The cops are waiting

550
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: at the locker room. There was just a file. Um

551
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: hard fouls what we would call it. But I look

552
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: back Larry Bird. Having a bad back is one thing,

553
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: but having magic and Larry On on a squad just

554
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: negates anything you're ever gonna bring to me. I like

555
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: here because We always have people talking that didn't get

556
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: a chance to play in that era. You played right

557
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of that era. Yeah, I didn't get

558
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: a lot of sleep. I started balling real early. I

559
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: didn't know why I was getting bald. I didn't know

560
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: it was stressed. But but I mean, we had to

561
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: play against Magic Man, and then I had to guard Worthy.

562
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: He got forty two, he got twenty on me, and

563
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: he didn't talk. He didn't say work any time somebody

564
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: say twenty, it was really about twenties. No. I knew

565
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: when I looked up and they just started putting the

566
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: scull like players that was on the board and the Lakers.

567
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: I looked up, I said, what eighteen? That comes from night? Oh,

568
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm about to fail you again. I'm not playing the

569
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: rest of this game. You're not gonna get me a

570
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: CBS Michael Jordan dunked at me on CBS man, and

571
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: all I remember I was thinking, is in my park

572
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: when you got dunked on, they take your sneakers. And

573
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: I just sat there and I go, I'm gonna hear it,

574
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: Like the only thing in my brain is my brothers

575
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: are going on when my phone's gonna blow up? When

576
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: I got home, did you go up and try to

577
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: like man, I thought I had it, you know what

578
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I thought I had He went up so

579
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: fast and then moved in the air, and I just

580
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: grabbed his face because I was like, you can't dunk this.

581
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: And I grabbed his face and he still dunked it,

582
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: and his tongue was out, and you know, you try

583
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: to take it out real quickly like a lines on morning.

584
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: They were like, no, that's a foul, and then the

585
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: cameras cameras on you. You try not to be in

586
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: the camera. I was like, god, my uh funny rookie season.

587
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: You guys lose to Boston in the Eastern Funals. I played, well, yeah,

588
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: that that memorable play where Birds stole the ball on

589
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: a quick inbounds. I heard Isaiah when he's supposed to

590
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 1: be taking the ball out um And then after the game,

591
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: Isaiah said if he was if he was black, he'd

592
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: just be another good guy. Media wasn't what media is today.

593
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: But the fact that Isaiah Thomas said that about Larry Bird,

594
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: what did you think when you heard that? What was

595
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: the energy around the game like that? Okay, so this

596
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: is what happened. What had happened was so Boston. You know,

597
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: there's so many numbers, right, and all of a sudden,

598
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: Isaiah being reactive, thinking they're going to file as soon

599
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: as we get the ball, so as opposed to have

600
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: it Bill take it out. He took it out to

601
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: throw with the Bill, because Bill, next to a D

602
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: was our best file shooter. Guard's never supposed to take

603
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: the ball out and right, because you want him that.

604
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: But Isaiah was looking at and he's looking at Chuck.

605
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: Should I call time out? And and he's looking at

606
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: the and he's looking at Bill, and Isaiah said, give me,

607
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: give me the ball, and he takes the ball and

608
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: he's thrown it. Now Bill a Bis sees like Bird coming,

609
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: who hates Bill that beer with a passion. Yeah, he

610
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: hates Bill that beer. So Bill sees him coming and

611
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: opposed to step into the ball at her arms. Yeah,

612
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: and then Larry steals it. But then it looked like

613
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: it was set up by the leprechron because nothing was

614
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: supposed to happen the way it happened. And we're all

615
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: the way now and A D turns to me and said,

616
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: what happened? I said, Isaiah threw the ball away. Now

617
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: that was quiet in the locker room. Right. We get

618
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: on the plane. We tried to to jet a plane.

619
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: We get on the on the plane and Isaiah sitting

620
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: at the wing just looking out the window, and those

621
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: guys in the front, the guys like, no, when is

622
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: sitting there him? So I go and sitting there him

623
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: and I go, you want peanut? And he's looking at

624
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: me like yeah, And I go, what's wrong? And he goes,

625
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: So I lost the game for us? I said, no,

626
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: we just proved we can beat him in the garden

627
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: because we had never beat him in the guard, and

628
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: we proved we can beat him in the guard. We're

629
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: gonna kill him at home and then we're gonna come

630
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: back and beat him in the garden. He shakes his head.

631
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: We droid of game six. We come back for game

632
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: seven and we outside, I mean, we're looking up. We

633
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: had this thing, we had like a walk through practice

634
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: and we talked about how big this game was going

635
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: to be and how we could not make any mistakes.

636
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: And the fact that Adrian Danley was diving out of

637
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: ball tells you how attention was because he that ain't

638
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: in his contract. Diving out of the ball, was like,

639
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: don't pay me to dive, and they hit heads and

640
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: you know that carting them out, we hang on, we lose.

641
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman said, if Larry Bird was a black guy,

642
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: just being another black guy and then they run over

643
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: them to Isaiah, who's sitting here, so it's you know,

644
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: Thomas Sally Is Rodman Rodman, thom and Sally. So I'm

645
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: sitting here and all to me, that's all let me

646
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: move and they go. Dennis just said, if Larry Bird

647
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: was Isaiah said, I guess he's right, right, like if

648
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: it's a sensational thing that he's a white guy and

649
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: he plays as well because it's you know, the lead

650
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: is full of you know, black people. Um, he wasn't

651
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: saying anything. No, he was like, right now, we talked

652
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: about we talked about McCarty. What's the kid the running

653
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: back for the Titan McCaffrey. Right, We talked about how

654
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: this white kid is unbelievable. We literally say that, right.

655
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: We talked about we put his color in front of it.

656
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: So him saying that I was not saying, he wasn't

657
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: getting anything about Larry. Larry plays good for a black

658
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: eyed white guy. A Martian. You know what I'm saying,

659
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: he's no matter the color. They brought the color into it.

660
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: Isaiah not disagreeing. If Isaiah would have said, no, you know,

661
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: he he's great no matter what he is, right right,

662
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: it would have been dead. But he said, and I

663
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: say it to this day, if you think about anything

664
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: they say when you see, uh, when it's a white

665
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: guy and he's a champion, they called him the great

666
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: white hope. Uh. When you get a wide receiver who

667
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: is fast, they like, this kid is as fast as

668
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: this black kid. So in a way they're not right

669
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: because we're predisposed, or we're prejudiced by default because in

670
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: this country, black people do one thing, white people do

671
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: a different thing. And when a white guy is doing

672
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: is playing ball as well as black eyes that they say,

673
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: black eyes, Joe, you want to play basketball. That's a

674
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: racial thing. Black guys played basketball, black eyes dance, black

675
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: eyes smoke. Well, they're kind of right. Smoke weed um offen.

676
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: All of I do, all that, eat chicken, black, all

677
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: the things they say, all the things they say kids.

678
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: But when you say that, that's that's cool. But when

679
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, when the white guys doing it,

680
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: then that's out of character. So they kind of put

681
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 1: it in a way. There was no way for Isaiah

682
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: to get out of it except man, leave me alone. Man,

683
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: I gotta take a shower. But he couldn't do that.

684
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: He got the bad rap for something he just like

685
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: he said, there was no malicious tent behind it, none none.

686
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: Larry Bird and Isaiah are cool, and they did a

687
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: press conference right after that. What the problem was, Isaiah

688
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: kept talking. When Larry got up and walked out, Isaiah said,

689
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: the guy walked out. But Isaiah said, I looked up

690
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: the word racist in addiction. Stop, don't let him know

691
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: you read. Don't let him know you read the chief

692
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: it to yourself. That's that's that's where it got into

693
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: it when he was, you know, trying to use it

694
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: when it you know, should have died where it was

695
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: around this time. Uh. You know, Jordan is on his

696
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: way up and you got to beat the bull street

697
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: three consecutive years. Uh. And you guys have something called

698
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: the Jordan rule. Talk to us about that. Um another thing,

699
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: you would have liked Matt because push him left. That's

700
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: that's your Jordan rule right there. That's that's all I'm

701
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: allowed to give away. No, but there the deal is this.

702
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: You push him left right. If he catches the ball

703
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: on the left side, push him left. He's not going

704
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: to pass it right. Kobe is not the chucker. Michael

705
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: as the chucker. Kobe shot to go in. Michael kept

706
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: shooting until they went in. But but Mike, Mike was deadly.

707
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: So when he caught the ball on the left elbow,

708
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: push him left. And Joe can do that all day

709
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: because Joe pounds. And when he picks the ball up,

710
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: go back to your man because he's not going to

711
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: pass it. He's going to shoot it. And when he

712
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: comes in the middle, put him on his back. So

713
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: if he's on the right side, he goes left, that's

714
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: when he turned his body this way and stick his

715
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: tongue out, and that's when his ass was on the

716
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: floor when he went down right. So soon as he

717
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: goes left, soon as he gets a foot in the paint, foulo. Yeah,

718
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: everybody gets but don't know tic tac files meaning for

719
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: anybody out there, don't reach and pull your hand back.

720
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: Foulon right. Foulom hit him and used to be allowed

721
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: to do that, used to be allowed to you know,

722
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: even if a guard was coming to the lane, there

723
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: was a big man, A big man turned and bumped

724
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: into and you hit the ground. Ref wouldn't call that

725
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: gouse Yo Ashal not supposed to be in there with

726
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: the big men, and he just turned in his body. Um.

727
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: We also knew uh to go after Scotty. So the

728
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: other Jordan rule was make Scotty keep the ball with Scotty,

729
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: make everybody else try to beat us. And that said

730
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: when he caught the ball, all eyes was all Michael,

731
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: because he's not going to pass to your man. You

732
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about him Magic Johnson. And by

733
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: your ear, he ain't passing it. So as soon as

734
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: he puts the ball down, everybody comes, everybody every and

735
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: they got you watching on film, they would stop, Hey,

736
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: what's the rule? When he comes, everybody comes, He's not

737
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: passing it to your man. And if you watch, Michael

738
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: would put the ball every which way, not to give

739
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: it to one of his one of his teammates. That's it.

740
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: You got a chance to play with him later, Did

741
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: you guys ever discuss what it was about the reasoning?

742
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: Because I mean he openly said, I mean that got

743
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: him better. Yeah, you know what I mean. Have you

744
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: guys ever discussed being teammates at one point? Yeah, when

745
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: I when I, they didn't have to asked him. But

746
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: when I came onto the team, Um, he said, uh,

747
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: you wear a Nike right side. I said, yes, Sir,

748
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: I got it. He said what side? You were fifteen?

749
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: He's like, all right, that's what's up. That's up, just

750
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: making sure you're, you know, doing no craziness over there.

751
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: The next day I came in. My whole locker was

752
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: full of Alonzo more than sneakers, because Alonzo used to

753
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: get them first and they were red and white, and

754
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: then I got him. I was like, good looking. He said, yeah, yeah,

755
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: you know. That was that. And he would always ask

756
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: us questions. He would ask Dennis questions with Dennis and

757
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,959
Speaker 1: have answers. Um he didn't have answers. Uh. He would

758
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: ask Buddha and he said, man, when we would come in,

759
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: and like I said, if if we knew that we

760
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: was in his head, we would have never lost. We

761
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: didn't know how intense or how much we were in

762
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: his head. I remember we were playing and uh, I

763
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: go in and I see everybody said after the game,

764
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, the game, I got the Ferrari'

765
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: gonna show. You can't wait. We beat him. I come

766
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: out and so what's up? Man? Get away from me?

767
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: What happened? Get away from me? I was like, damn,

768
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: he's sensitive, Like, well, I'm gonna eat tonight. Let's say. Uh.

769
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: Like I said, I was intense when those numbers was up.

770
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: I would be very very focused. Um. But when we

771
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: would talk, he would ask us. He would ask us, um,

772
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 1: did we try to hurt him? We were like, nah,

773
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: if you went left, we hit you. We went left

774
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: in the middle, you got We stopped you in the paint.

775
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: Because he can a nite, a whole nation by dunking

776
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: on somebody. And you can see sometimes he would go

777
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: and we would all come and then he would try

778
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: to get a shot off and hit the floor. We're

779
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: not catching him, step over him and keep running. And

780
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: we knew, we knew that his teammates looked at him

781
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: for everything, everything, And then we would punk everybody. I

782
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: love that. Back to back Champions and you guys beat Magic,

783
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: and you guys beat Clyde in the Portland Trailblazers, you

784
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: know these they called Portland ripped city. I said, it

785
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: stands for repeating Portland. Dog. You don't know, cocky. We

786
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: lost our first home game, championship game. We lost the

787
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: second game, and we never won in Portland as a franchise.

788
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: We won three straight and I remember they had Maurice

789
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: Lucas on the square back when it was three too.

790
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, two three yeah, I remember we had They

791
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: had Duckworth and and Curtsy God rests Souls and Buck

792
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: Williams who used to give me crazy numbers. Um at

793
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: least a lot of elbows. And I just remember, man,

794
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: we just was was like on it and when we won,

795
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: it was the loneliest city. We stayed in the hotel.

796
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: I loved it, but we stayed in the hotel. What

797
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: was like being the Lakers beating the Lakers. We kicked

798
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: all the windows out of the bus on the way

799
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: back to the hotel. The guy just turned it all black.

800
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: We're kicking windows out because there's people following the bus

801
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: and giving us the finger, and we we're throwing it

802
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: out of Rick my horn and l a. Rick is

803
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: mooning him and ship with his big ass. It was

804
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: more like a son in them because it was a

805
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: big ass and and we just wild and we get

806
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: back to the hotel. Uh, we couldn't go anywhere. That

807
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: was another thing. So it's not like we can go out. No,

808
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: that I found that out real quick. They're serious about

809
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: the Lakers out here. But we stayed in the hotel,

810
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: tore things up. Dennis didn't take his jersey off to

811
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: the next day. Um. I showered, made sure my hair

812
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: was cut. You know, the holes might be watching. Um

813
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Make sure my hye top

814
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: was like, my hand was like yours. It was perm

815
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: but it was like yours. A lot of off the

816
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: court success with that team, you know Joe and what

817
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: he's doing now for the NBA, Isaiah and all his ventures.

818
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: Vinnie speak to him because he does. Yeah, the Piston group. Yeah,

819
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,479
Speaker 1: and and and they're heavy, heavy, heavy. Yeah. He makes

820
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: all the plastic for all the cards that you see.

821
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: But Isaiah started a company. It was called One World

822
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: Farmer and I'm a shareholder and an ambassador something like that. Um.

823
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: I worked some numbers out of him, you know, at

824
00:49:52,200 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: the lawyers. No, he owns cannabis. He's the largest cannabis. Yeah, champagne. Yeah,

825
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: he's the largest cannabis and hemp grower in the world

826
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: in Colombia, and they were at BMW had literally kind

827
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: of contracted him to take the hemp and make it

828
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: into hemp plastic for their cause. But then he is

829
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: running a three hundred million plus business. Um, I tell

830
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: you this man my rookie year. Then he had this

831
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: gold watch R. And you know, he talked to me

832
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: because I was from Brooklyn, but most of the time

833
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: vets didn't talk to me, so they talked at me.

834
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, that's a nice watch man,

835
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: and he was like yeah, man. So I said, how

836
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: much a watch like that carse watch man? I couldn't

837
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: believe it was a It was a you know what

838
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: this watch is worth to this day, this watches they

839
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: probably don't even make it anymore. I sat there. Vinny

840
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: has always been and he was the best dress player

841
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in the NBA. And he was so

842
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: well madd He had he had tall poodles, black poodles.

843
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: I had never seen a big poodle before. I was like, oh,

844
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: this is this is a rich, rich black guy. Um.

845
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: But Vinnie always was so like a stupid so perfect

846
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: with this thing. So I I'm so impressed with what

847
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: he's doing with the Piston group, Mannie Joe d and

848
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: as he great business man. Yeah, man, you leave Detroit

849
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: and spent three seasons in Miami. What's the best members

850
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: in Miami's that's the only that's the only part of

851
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: the NBA. I remember, Luke. Let me finish this. I

852
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: was twenty seven when I went to Detroit. I was

853
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: one of the oldest people on the squad when he

854
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: went to Miami. Man and these Steve Smith still one

855
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: of my favorite players that ever played. We would play

856
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 1: were the best thirty six minute team in the NBA.

857
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: It's the last twelve minutes that we had a problem with.

858
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: And you know, coming from Detroit, that was what I

859
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: would see. I would see our last twelve minutes. But boy,

860
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: they I've never been out in Portland until I got

861
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: to Detroit, and and the girls came to the hotel

862
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: and it was just women everywhere trying to get to

863
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 1: the Miami Heat players. And I was like, what is these?

864
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: It wasn't Ronnie Cyclly. He didn't hang out with us, man,

865
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 1: it was it was my favorite time. I would I

866
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: just was about to get married. Was the only part wrong?

867
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: With the whole thing. Uh. But boy, if I would

868
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: have been like mcdonna was was hanging whatever. We're going

869
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: to Madonna's house and then Donna was having parties. Um,

870
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: so you know, you just don't talk to any of

871
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: the girls there because they might not be girls. Uh.

872
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: So bring your own lunch. Uh my only advice to

873
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: be in Miami. Uh. But we those guys play golf,

874
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: they play hard. Keith Keith Askins, one of my favorite players,

875
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: Membo Cols. How was my rookie. Yeah. I took Harold

876
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: everywhere and I would I put Hi on to raise

877
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: pizza and this is this is tell you when brother

878
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: got money. We're playing in New Jersey and Harrod was like, man,

879
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: I like that pizza we got last time we were

880
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: hearing New York from l A. I was like, yeah,

881
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: you know it's it's raised pizza on sixth Avenue. He

882
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: sent a limo to get a pizza, a town car

883
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: to get a pizza and bring it back to New Jersey.

884
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: I said, it wasn't your stupid because New Jersey pizzas

885
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: as good. But too Uh that's some rich ship. And

886
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: he had like attend million dollar deal with Nike. So

887
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: that that was that was a good person. Yeah, and

888
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: then he went to Cleveland. Uh, you know, I remember

889
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: how invested into um strip malls in Vegas. So he

890
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: should be rich, Richard and rich right now he was

891
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: building those strip malls. Who knew Vegas was going to Yeah?

892
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: Do he You know when they talk about jumping ability, right,

893
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan get down, he would take off and he would.

894
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: You would see him take off like it with a

895
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: long stride, how mine. It would start with two feet

896
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: and then jump like above everything else. And he was

897
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: left handed. I love left handed players. Uh. But he

898
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: also you know, I guess he came. They bought him

899
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: in the league, expecting him to be like he was

900
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: in college. What I like about being in Detroit is

901
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: I have vets to teach me stuff. And you know,

902
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: they bought how and expecting him to do that. You

903
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: should be you should be literally taught to position room. Yeah,

904
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: grew to be there. You spar there a little time

905
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: in with the Toronto. I know you like to Ronto. Well,

906
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: Isaiah brought me there, and I think Isaiah was mad

907
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: at me. But you know, you never know, Um, you

908
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: never know, because you can tell I got you know,

909
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: I had FUNX when I was coming in, I dropped

910
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: them off so right. It's like when he brought me there.

911
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: It was me and b J Armstrong and we were

912
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: in the car. We're in a van and b J said, Zake,

913
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: you gotta get me out of here. I don't want

914
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: to be here. And he was like, for real? He

915
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: said yeah. He said, all right, I think I can

916
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: make a trade for you. And he said, sad Detroit,

917
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: want you back a Lando, want you in Chicago. I

918
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: said Chicago. I said, no, I send me home, send

919
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: me back to Detroit. Uh. He was like, then came back,

920
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: said I can't trade your man. And he said, man,

921
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: we need to make this city like the place everybody

922
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: want to play. But I need you to make sure

923
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: they go out the night before. So I threw parties

924
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: the night before all the games. How were you at

925
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,479
Speaker 1: this point? Thirty? Yeah, So let me tell you where

926
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: my biggest mistake was. I didn't leave the squad after

927
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: having it lit. I bought I bought Faith Evans dare

928
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: to sing. I had a club every Sunday night at Atlantis.

929
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: When I get traded. When I get I asked to

930
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: be released, right, I had to give up seven fifty

931
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: dollars to get out of my deal. So I was

932
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: only free slave. I mean I'm free agent in the

933
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: n b A. So I was, and so I can

934
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: pick because I didn't want, you know, I owned my waivers.

935
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: And when Chicago came calling, I left. So we go

936
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: back and of course they're throwing the parties the night

937
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: before and I as a bull. Now you're a Bull,

938
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: and I can't tell these guys, yo, it's a setup.

939
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 1: Don't go. We lost to the Raptors and it bothers

940
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: me to this day, right bothered because I know my setup.

941
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: And they were like, yeah, that ship works Toronto to Yeah,

942
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: Toronto's Toronto's my favorite city. It is. Yeah. I had

943
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: my daughter in Toronto. My my wife, Uh, we got

944
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: she got pregnant in Toronto, she got pregnant, she got pregnant.

945
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: I got fat. But yeah, in Toronto that nine. You

946
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: joined the Bulls in the midst of that seventy two

947
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: win season, he readnited with Rodman. What was it like

948
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: playing on that team? Well, they had a special private jet.

949
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: They had that MGM jet that had that TV screen

950
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: here and the big leather seats and the tables and

951
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: it was just like a lounge. And uh, player this

952
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: is this was the most gangster thing because I pay

953
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: attention to everything. Um, Michael would drive to the joint,

954
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: there will be tons of people, his security get out,

955
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 1: walk with him, walk him on the plane. Guy would

956
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: take the Ferrari. We parked outside. He parked obviously in

957
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: a private hangar. The security got on a private jet

958
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: and took off before we did so they can be

959
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 1: there when we landed because they didn't get on the plane. Um,

960
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: which I thought was expensive. Uh and gangster at the

961
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: same time. But like Judd Bushler and Steve Kerr literally

962
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: showed me how to get to the airport, asked me

963
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: about restaurants, ron Hoff and Pitt. They were like whatever,

964
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: Negro But Dennis, you know it's again, you know, he

965
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: wasn't talking. And these guys literally showed me, you know,

966
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: how to get around, which was weird because him when

967
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: you get to the team, these clicks stay within the

968
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: click that even though they had clicks, it didn't feel

969
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: like it didn't when when we got in the locker

970
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: room and felt like a team even though it was clicks,

971
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: Um and Uh, I knew we weren't gonna lose. I

972
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: don't know if y'all ever had that situation, but when

973
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: you walk in, you already know you're gonna win when

974
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: you walk in, because like you see the other guys

975
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: looking at you. Yeah, it was a trip, but everybody

976
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: was afraid of Michael. Everybody. We got to play against

977
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: New York and Derek Hawfer. I love you Derek Harfer.

978
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: You know he had those big old astros and you know,

979
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,439
Speaker 1: and get more a than everybody else. You gotta watch

980
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: out for that, yeah, man, but he was I know,

981
00:59:49,800 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: I thought they were gills that just it knows. Yeah,

982
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: but I hit Derek harforman uh. Michael said, yeah, man,

983
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: he's hawking me. Man. I said, I get him off.

984
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: You run him off me and a boom and I

985
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: set my pick up like this and it hit Derek Harford.

986
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: He looked around me and flashes na shows. I said,

987
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: it was just a pick. He just looked at me

988
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: and I said, then he gonna hit me in my jaw.

989
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, I remember the chart. It was

990
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: just a pick, just pick. He was like, all right,

991
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: all right, and I was like, he's gonna get me.

992
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: Then again he didn't get me. But MJ loved it

993
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: and it was a trip because Ron Hopper then takes

994
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: me out after we get home and go, you know,

995
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: that's what we expect you as as a bull. And

996
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: I was like, you're talking about He was like, yeah,

997
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: we expected you, you know, to bring some of that toughness.

998
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: I was like, why are you talking to me? Like

999
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: why is that we haven't we you played for Cleveland.

1000
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: What do you mean Michael should be talking to me?

1001
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: Go get the boss. But yeah, it was. We wore suits.

1002
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: Michael was shot everybody else. We smoked some guys on

1003
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: the on the bus one time that we were smoking

1004
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: to guys and the guy turned around and goes, hey, hey,

1005
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: no smoking on the bus. And Phil goes, when we're

1006
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: on the bus, they're smoking on the bus. And then

1007
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: it was and had us a guard in his hand.

1008
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: The dude couldn't say anything. We popped like the events.

1009
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is the best thing in

1010
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: the world. It was best. Steve Kerr would be like,

1011
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: I hate these cigarettes. It was just freedom. It was freedom. Well,

1012
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: I mean you got the I mean you big personalizy again, MJ.

1013
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: You know, Pip Phil Rodman, you haven't really tells you

1014
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: keep saying robbing. Doesn't say this rob me to that man?

1015
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: So what was that robbing? What was he like? I

1016
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: got to meet um, I get to Chicago and he

1017
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: makes me meet him at a steakhouse. He already know

1018
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: I don't need steak, but that's okay. I'm Dennis and

1019
01:01:52,720 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: me and the steakhouse and uh, what's my man's name from? Uh?

1020
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: Jerry Springer and Jerry Springers at the at the dinner

1021
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, this is bombed. So I'm sitting

1022
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: there and talking to Jerry Springer, Jerry you know he

1023
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: likes girls too, and pointing by all these girls. And

1024
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: then Dennis is sitting next to this blonde who's bodied

1025
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: out and you know, glancing down at me, glancing down

1026
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: at me. Well you're kicking with d Rod, I know,

1027
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: stop glancing at me. So Dennis said, so, yeah she

1028
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: find huh. I go, yeah, she's good, all right? He goes,

1029
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: you don't think she's fine? I go, she's all right,

1030
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: she's cool. I laughed at that. If you say so,

1031
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: you know it's cool because you don't want to kick

1032
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: it with her. I was like, nope. He said, why

1033
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: she don't have a vagina. I was the only one

1034
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: he said that knew that there was it was a

1035
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: dude and and was he looked like Matt. No, I'm joking,

1036
01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: he was. I know, Matt must be triple because people

1037
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: been calling you pretty, you know, he said, why would

1038
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: a guy called me pretty? You know, you just let

1039
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: it go. But but this here, yeah, yeah, and I go,

1040
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: that's funny, dude, I wouldn't say that. You know, his

1041
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: eyes matched. It's cool. But like everybody, everybody. And then

1042
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: he had his birthday party was at the crow Bar,

1043
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: and everybody came except MJ and a couple of other guys.

1044
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: But I don't think they knew the Crowbar was a

1045
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: gay joint until they got there. And uh, there was

1046
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: a whole lot of trans women. Uh there, but dudes

1047
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: was literally hollering, not even understanding how you know. I

1048
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: came in with two of my friends. Uh. And then

1049
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,439
Speaker 1: this girl who knew me, she told my wife, she goes, yeah,

1050
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: I saw John he had these two girls with him,

1051
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: because oh yeah, those just two best friends, you know,

1052
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: takes them everywhere there it damn bother you. And she

1053
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: was like, no, there's his friends. Yeah, stopped talking to her. Um,

1054
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: but I did. I used to hang out with these

1055
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: two guards are Robbing and Bobby, two gardens women, and

1056
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: they would go everywhere with me just my you know one.

1057
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: They were unbelievable attractors because all the girls want to

1058
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: come by and then um dudes to be like, so

1059
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: come and talk to me about said he wouldn't talk

1060
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: to me any other time to right now. Yeah, I

1061
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: used to do it all the time. Phil still, Phil

1062
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: will give you a book. Phil will give you a

1063
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: book to read a book. I tell you the best

1064
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard the story, but the

1065
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: best thing to ever happened is we got film and

1066
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: we're watching film, and he said, I do film a

1067
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: little different. It's fifteen minutes of one fifteen minutes of another,

1068
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: because I found out humans can't really focus past fifteen minutes.

1069
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, the movie kicks in and

1070
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: it's Friday, and all the brothers like, oh, yeah, we're

1071
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: watching Friday. Explain it to the white guys, what Friday us?

1072
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: And uh, we're watching it. Yeah. As soon as it

1073
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: got the debo, Deebo, he said, what's up, Craig, Like that,

1074
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: it clicked and it was Alonzo morning, and then we

1075
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: watched fifteen minutes of film and then back to another

1076
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: film that wasn't Friday, but each film was getting us,

1077
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: telling us about a point. There's gonna be a bullet.

1078
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: His name is Alonzo Mourning. We're gonna call him Debo.

1079
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: And so he would mess with you after Man, you

1080
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: sit there, you're there for two and a half hours

1081
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: watching film. Not realize that you're watching film. Yeah, and

1082
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: he and big thing was preparation. Phil does not yell

1083
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: in the game, but in practice, if he got to,

1084
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: let you have it, anybody right, anybody, everybody would get

1085
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: to because I used to go to Cold Crazy and

1086
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: run on two. He used to go to run on

1087
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: test run tests to go right back at him. See

1088
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: that was we didn't have to do that. Dennis Robin

1089
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: said nothing, Dennis. You can you can call Dennis all

1090
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: kind of names. He would say nothing that Phil said,

1091
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: run through that wall, Dennis through that wall. Um. But

1092
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: he expected us to be professional and and he would

1093
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: he would say that. He was like, I'm not expecting

1094
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: you to lose, right, you shouldn't expect to lose. You

1095
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: it's going to be a competition. But if we if

1096
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: we this is our only defense. You can't let your

1097
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 1: man get in between you and the basket. Now, if

1098
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: you jump over me and dunk over me, that's one thing.

1099
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: If you shoot over me if I'm in front of you,

1100
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: that's a good defense. So he didn't make you feel

1101
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: crazy about doing anything. Uh, but I love Phil Man. Phil.

1102
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: You know, I came back. Phil had that meeting with me.

1103
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: It's called fifteen minutes for Phil. He said, well, said,

1104
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: I have no real estate for you. What you're gonna do?

1105
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: And I said, well, I guess some smoke weed the summer. Um,

1106
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,479
Speaker 1: I he's no real estate now, and I was gonna

1107
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: go to Golden State probably say yeah, I got something

1108
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, he would have, but he I wish

1109
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: I had and I could have gone and kept playing.

1110
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: I was thirty six two two years ago, and then

1111
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: I made that decision. I did him. I did three

1112
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: movies that summer, and then I started hosting BT Live

1113
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: and I knew I was at that was what about Pitt?

1114
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: You know, I mean obviously super talented. You know, last

1115
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: year on his book tour, he was saying a lot

1116
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: of different things. Um let me tell you man, um. Yeah,

1117
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: just so that's why I said it's over. Um he uh,

1118
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: Pitt literally with me. Uh. We went to eat. When

1119
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: he first came in the lead, I would trade tickets

1120
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: with him. I met larsa uh when he told me

1121
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: how he met her. I mean it was this was it.

1122
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,439
Speaker 1: And he was always different. Quiet stand office. Now when

1123
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: I see the interviews, you know, it seems different. And

1124
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: then he was selling his weed and my boy put

1125
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: me on FaceTime. He's like, hey, uh, I don't know

1126
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: what that is. You know what I'm saying, so I

1127
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: keep it moving. But Pitt, I used to say, was

1128
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: the most skilled player I ever played with because one

1129
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: of his arms come to here. He can dribble it,

1130
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: shoot it. He had an unbelievable basketball I Q and

1131
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: everybody thought. I was saying it was better than Michael Jordan's. No,

1132
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 1: it's what Michael needed. Um I played. You know Michael

1133
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 1: needs a lot, you know, because it's one basketball and

1134
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: it was five guys in a way. But I used

1135
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: to think he was so scared. Phil Jackson used to

1136
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: say the same and then he said Phil was racist, um,

1137
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: which I thought was crazy. Um I did. I still

1138
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 1: think it's crazy. I don't think Phil is racist. I think, Um,

1139
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,679
Speaker 1: he's a white guy born in South or North Dakota

1140
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:59,759
Speaker 1: and born in the forties, So you're gonna you're gonna

1141
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 1: get a remnant of somebody born from that time. But

1142
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: it far from being a racist in my opinion. Um,

1143
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 1: I like his uh, I like his dreadlocks kinda kinda.

1144
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: He's trying a lot of looks trying to I don't know.

1145
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: I don't know stack about the dreadlocks. I can't do

1146
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: dread That team best team ever by far, the best

1147
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 1: team ever. Even though Golden State won seventy three, they

1148
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: lost chip. So um to get that far and not

1149
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: win the chip not good enough? They win the chip?

1150
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: Did the best team ever ever? Yeah? Because a lot

1151
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 1: of focus. Yeah. Gary Payton said one time that in

1152
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: the nine finals that if he would have guarded mj

1153
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: the whole time, it would have been a different story.

1154
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: Who said this friend of the program? Any truth to that.

1155
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give me my Michael Jordan's impression. Gary, something

1156
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: is my is my guy. If they spread out, which

1157
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 1: we didn't do, and let Michael do with it, he

1158
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: would have been in foul trouble. First quarter. You're not

1159
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 1: God and this guy, Look, we we had to have

1160
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: rules when he caught the ball, and no one got

1161
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: mad when their man scored. We just knew that if

1162
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: Michael wasn't scored, he was going to implode that squad.

1163
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: So we knew that when we went up to play

1164
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: in Seattle and uh we lost. The next day, those

1165
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: guys were out on the boat playing cards. You know

1166
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like, oh, Okay, we lost the game.

1167
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: That's that's it. That was a game. So these guys

1168
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: are probably at home watching film. Michael was relaxing, chilling,

1169
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 1: and we lost a second game game game five, he

1170
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: was like, okay, let's go home. Let's not stretched us

1171
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: any further. And I don't know what they were thinking,

1172
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: but Michael was thinking of killing everybody on that squad,

1173
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: and he did in game six. So him thinking that

1174
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: he can guard Michael, he would have been in foul trouble.

1175
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: Fair enough. After winning the ninety six, you played, you

1176
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: had a few years overseas. What was there like? No? Man?

1177
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 1: I had six weeks six weeks, yo, man, I came here.

1178
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: I shot a pilot the John Sally Show for Born

1179
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 1: Investa was coming on Fox. I was gonna make I

1180
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: was gonna make NBA money now. And I was produca.

1181
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: It was a late night show. It was it was

1182
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: on in Popping And then um Jerry Cross told me

1183
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: that he can only pay me three hundred and sixty.

1184
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: Michael was making three hundred. I was in the game.

1185
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,640
Speaker 1: I said, dog, I can't go to dinner with him.

1186
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna kill me for taking three six

1187
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: Even though I knew they were gonna win, I wouldn't

1188
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: do it. So I took uh the money to go

1189
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: to Greece. I should have should have gone to Italy.

1190
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 1: If I would have gone to Italy, I would have

1191
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: never left. YEA would not be I already knew that.

1192
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: I knew if I went there, I wasn't leaving. But man,

1193
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 1: I get there and this coach was Tony uh Uh,

1194
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 1: Tony Coukos's coach, and he told me that if Michael

1195
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: Jordan played in Europe, he would only average sixteen points.

1196
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: I got a flight. I was like, oh, yeah, they're

1197
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: doing crack over here. N the crack over I know

1198
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: a crack at it what I see And then uh,

1199
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: but we went to eat and they would eat as

1200
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: a team like I was in college and so I'm

1201
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: sitting there looking at these I just want my third championship.

1202
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: So U I did some amazing things, and I was like,

1203
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 1: why did I come over here? Like why did I

1204
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: do this? It had to be just for money and

1205
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: you know, and I wanted to see Europe um, and

1206
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 1: I knew I was going to start my show in

1207
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: March or in April. So I said, I can play

1208
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 1: here until March, make three million dollars and do my show.

1209
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: And after six weeks, man, I was like, yeah, I

1210
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 1: gotta get out of here. So I escaped and as

1211
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 1: soon as I got back to America, I kissed the ground.

1212
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: I remember getting on my knees and you thought I

1213
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: was the Pope. Man. I kissed the ground and got up.

1214
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: I was so happy to be back, um. But it

1215
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: was an experience. I literally had to sneak out of

1216
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 1: the country. Yeah. I mean, you know, I act like

1217
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: I was picking somebody up from the airport. Uh, And

1218
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: I had my driver. I said, yeah, I'm picking this

1219
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: girl up from the airport. Man, you're amazing. Your wife

1220
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: just left. Yeah, you know, you gotta keep them coming,

1221
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: you know. The next day and I said, man, she

1222
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: should be let me go check this out. And I

1223
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: had sent all my bags back already with my wife,

1224
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: she had left two days earlier. Yeah, and then I

1225
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: flew to London. I stayed away because I just knew

1226
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 1: there was gonna be some Greek guys beat me up

1227
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: in the hotel. And then I got back to Miami

1228
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: and I was at that six weeks. Um. It was,

1229
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: it was, It was a trip. I'm gonna tell you,

1230
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: if you ever go to Greece, Uh, the most gangster

1231
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: place you ever go is Egypt. Um, David, David, you

1232
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 1: look Egyptian. I don't know if you ever heard that,

1233
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 1: but you look Egyptian, Spanish for the rig he looked.

1234
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: There's a lot of nations he can pass for take

1235
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: him to Egypt, and they gonna start talking to him

1236
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: in Arabic. Uh. But this is how gangs it was

1237
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: in Egypt. I was a suddenly I looking and I

1238
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: don't have my ticket, but I'm you, they don't send

1239
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: in your ticket ahead. And I get there and I go,

1240
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: what's up? And there's this one place you gotta take

1241
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: your bags through, and the gangsters there, there's no cops.

1242
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: The cops are gangster. And I wish your ticket I

1243
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 1: go at the counter. He goes, you know, you gotta

1244
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: have a ticket. I was gonna cost you twenty dollars

1245
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: for the ticket. So I had to pay twenty dollars

1246
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 1: to get my bags through, then go and get my ticket.

1247
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 1: And I sat there. I was like, oh, this is

1248
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: the way it is. It cost me a hundred dollars

1249
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: to get on the plane was on top of my ticket.

1250
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 1: It took me the guy taking the bags. I'm trying

1251
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 1: to push my own bag like no, no, no, no,

1252
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: you don't do that, hesse so no, I gotta go. No,

1253
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 1: took my hand off it, gave it to this guy.

1254
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: He caught it, he said, tipped him. I tipped and

1255
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 1: I was like, what's the deal. He was like, that's

1256
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: the only way you get out of Egypt. But it

1257
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 1: was like that in Greece. To Greece was gangster. They

1258
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: were like, if they can get it, they would get it.

1259
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: They're gonna get it. I went the miking Ons one

1260
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 1: time in a little kids on the street come up

1261
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: to you and packs looking for money, patting your pockets

1262
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: and ship at the end one Yeah, you would have

1263
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 1: been back handed. You would have looked like like Bernie

1264
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 1: Max walking through that joint smacking people for real. Two

1265
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: thousands joined the lake. Was first impression against that all

1266
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:23,560
Speaker 1: world team that you joined. Well, my favorite players, El Gambler.

1267
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 1: That's why I was twenty two one of the reasons.

1268
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 1: And so I told him that was a lot different.

1269
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: But I see him being your favorite player. Man, he

1270
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: was totally different. And I had that twenty two on

1271
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: and I don't know what happened, man, John Black wasn't

1272
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: paying attention I, so I knew it was hanging in

1273
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: the rafters and then he then he was like no, no, no,

1274
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: no, no no, come on. And then guys had to make

1275
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 1: me a new jersey and gave me number sixteen. And

1276
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: I was going like this, and then uh, I called

1277
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: my brother and I said, yeah, man, I had my

1278
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: jersey on it. That he goes, how does it feel

1279
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: have yellow? Because in my brain in Detroit, you know,

1280
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 1: those are ye backs like their punks. They do you

1281
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: wear a yellow like you're wearing yellow, Johnny? And I

1282
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, man, and when when yellow? Can you

1283
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: believe that? I said, to some purple in it, But

1284
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 1: it's yellow for real, it's yellow. And we used to

1285
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,759
Speaker 1: say that in Detroit, like if you see a yellow

1286
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 1: when they take their jersey off, they offended you, like

1287
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: you want to hit every single one of them. I

1288
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: did the same thing with red, red and white. I

1289
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 1: could red and white just when I put it on.

1290
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 1: I just kept looking at it and I called my

1291
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,719
Speaker 1: brother again. He was like, I don't know, man, you're changing.

1292
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't believe it. Yeah, Like, what are

1293
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 1: you gonna do with that red with that yellow on?

1294
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: I thought they were white jerseys. I just remembered they

1295
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: were always yellow. Um. My brother lost old my jersey

1296
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: after we won the championship. Though I was looking for

1297
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,640
Speaker 1: it and my jersey was missing. I know where it's at.

1298
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 1: It in Detroit twenty one year old Kobe I told

1299
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: Michael Man at seven, Kobe was unbelievable. But twenty one

1300
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: we would go to we would go, we would go

1301
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: eat and then he had a VCR and we would watch.

1302
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 1: He would have just everything, Kobe. He would have everything

1303
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 1: cut up of all these plays, but he had everything

1304
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 1: on Michael, every single move. Um. He would watch. There

1305
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: was guys like Michael Ray Richardson, which they won't talk

1306
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: about in the NBA. He would watch all the dudes

1307
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,839
Speaker 1: who would who would do things and and I remember

1308
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: saying that. I was like, you should just watch your

1309
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 1: pops play because jelly being to me was was the

1310
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: only thing that happened with jelly Bean was Dr J.

1311
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: And if Dr J was not there, we'll be talking

1312
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 1: about Jelly being bright. He was. He was gangster too,

1313
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: So I would watch film with him. I even I

1314
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 1: went to the studio with a man to hear his

1315
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 1: record overhead the Sony studio, and uh, he was the

1316
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,879
Speaker 1: first person I saw with a Matt black car. Everybody

1317
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: else thought it was dirty. I realized it was. It was.

1318
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: It was wrapped and it was. It was black on black,

1319
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: and he loved everything black. His room, his bedroom was

1320
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: black and black on black. Um, so yeah, he was.

1321
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 1: He was a different cat man. I thought the record

1322
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: was good. You know who dom I? I thought. I

1323
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: thought the kid did a good job. And then he

1324
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: got clowned and stepped away from it. But we played

1325
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 1: one on one every day and I beat him because

1326
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm seven foot and the game is to seven and

1327
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: I get the ball first because I'm older, and I

1328
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: would just back him down, score, let him score back

1329
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 1: until he realized, I said, dude, I'm never gonna lose

1330
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 1: this game. It's like, we can't. You know. A matter

1331
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: of fact, when I was on the Best damn Sports show,

1332
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: you know if your wonderful studio, I heard show time

1333
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: got some money, Um, if they want to pay for it.

1334
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: I got him to say it on camera. Yeah, I

1335
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: got him to say it on camera. He's like, so

1336
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 1: I beat me? He said he seven four. I said, yeah,

1337
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 1: but I ain't beat him every day. How was the

1338
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: Shock and Cober's relationship. It was great. I got so

1339
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,799
Speaker 1: I was filming behind the scenes and when Kobe twisted

1340
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: his ankle, you know, Shock was carried him. I just think, uh,

1341
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: it got to the point and Shock said it was

1342
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 1: his fault, like he was listening to people who Shock

1343
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 1: no longer listens to who that. They were saying things

1344
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: like he's getting all the commercials, he's getting all lessens.

1345
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: That wasn't the true. Yeah, I didn't see it, not

1346
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,799
Speaker 1: the first year, and I don't think it it became

1347
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: something until the third year. Right now. Man Matt talked

1348
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: about this all the time about how how it's important

1349
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:33,879
Speaker 1: that these teams have a vent or somebody that played

1350
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 1: in the game on these sidelines. You was thirty five

1351
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 1: at the time. How important was it for you to

1352
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 1: be there and to and how it important is it

1353
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: to have vets on the sideline of young guys, especially

1354
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: because you had Kobe at the yade. They called me

1355
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 1: since because I was literally just took over for what

1356
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:53,839
Speaker 1: a d was teaching me. I remember I had Devin George.

1357
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: I took him to get a facial I said, those

1358
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 1: little black marks and there's no freckles though, that's called

1359
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 1: black head. And then he got braces and you couldn't

1360
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 1: tell him and he already had green eyes. You could

1361
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 1: tell him nothing. Boy, Yeah he was. He was. Devin

1362
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: was my guy. But um, when you have a vet

1363
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: that I would say this too. Hey, we're going to

1364
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: the club, you got twenty minutes like they would want to.

1365
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: You are staying all night, we're doing were hopping and um,

1366
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: you know we're here for a reason, not a season.

1367
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: So get what you're looking for and we're back out

1368
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:37,839
Speaker 1: and watch what you're doing. Don't sit around buying drinks

1369
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 1: because people see you drinking, they're gonna do what they

1370
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 1: did did Charles Bockley. They're gonna say something, They're gonna

1371
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna get your face. Um. Also it's just keeping

1372
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 1: them focused the way everything was, uh, and how and

1373
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: like hey, because Phil was so like he said, they

1374
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: expect you to be professional. So when guys would seem

1375
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,639
Speaker 1: like they were moving to certain way and like, nah,

1376
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: we're here to win a championship. And it was from

1377
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 1: the beginning you say, we're here to win a championship

1378
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: and out here we're gonna play hard. No, we're here

1379
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 1: to win a championship. But then it's the only reason

1380
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 1: we're here. You're getting paid so we can win a championship. Um.

1381
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 1: My first time smoke weed was in Sacramento, obviously, and uh,

1382
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: it was the first time. I slept eight hours too.

1383
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 1: And I got up and it was so you tried

1384
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 1: this year? My senior Yeah, my senior year, my last year,

1385
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 1: my senior Yeah, I was a senior citizen. Uh and

1386
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 1: my last year. And I mean I got on the

1387
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 1: bus with five minutes to go without a jersey, just

1388
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: just to sweattop on. And they were like, yeah, what's

1389
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 1: up Va, what's up that? And I went to my teammate,

1390
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 1: I won't divulge, and I was like and when he

1391
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: gave it to me, he was like, wow, this is

1392
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: the chronic now. I was like, man, give me that,

1393
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 1: and man, my left leg became my right leg. And

1394
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,679
Speaker 1: I was feeling on myself. I was outside doing yoga.

1395
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 1: I was in Warrior posed, I was bending backwards. I

1396
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 1: was like, man, if I had this from the beginning

1397
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 1: in the NBA, it was that Laker team, man, but

1398
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:25,719
Speaker 1: it was there. Was It was cool because I remember

1399
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 1: Kobe proved the A C Green he was not to

1400
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: be played where they went in a shower area and

1401
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: had a wrestling match. Yeah, we got him in that headlock,

1402
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: and that's a big gass head to get in the lock. Yeah,

1403
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: to get activated in the sign. I don't know how,

1404
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: but you got a C in the headlock. And he

1405
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: was like, alright, alright, cool, I'll leave you alone. Uh.

1406
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 1: It was that kind of thing we did. There was

1407
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 1: no punchers throw, nothing like that. Checked that year m

1408
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: v P thirty points, fourteen rebounds. Well, I mean, I

1409
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 1: think you know, with all due respect to Will, Shack

1410
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 1: was the most dominant player because he went up against

1411
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 1: more bigs. There were bigs. Thoughts on Shock and just

1412
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 1: that season in particular with him, Let's go back, Let's

1413
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 1: go back. I saw his face when you said that

1414
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 1: the most dominant player seven ever was World Chamber. Let

1415
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 1: me tell you why he's going to hunt it, bro,

1416
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: that was I was gonna say, it's gonna hunting three

1417
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 1: and they told him he couldn't done magic. I'm asking

1418
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: you this though, but Shaq is the most talented big

1419
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: man I've ever ever seen. And this was a trip

1420
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: shock to me. When he was mad. Everybody was in

1421
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: trouble and Phil knew how to keep this dude piste off. Yeah,

1422
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: but you know, to push them, but it's different for

1423
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 1: everybody too. Yeah. He he would mention, Wait, he would mention.

1424
01:24:55,560 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 1: He would say all kinds of things slide and then uh,

1425
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 1: Remember I were coming to him and I said, hey,

1426
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 1: Shock needs a break today, Like you need to break

1427
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 1: for what? He's not a ship. I said, not today,

1428
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: not today, because you could tell Shot come in and

1429
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 1: he didn't want to hear it. You know, me and

1430
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 1: Travis Knight was going to get the butt of him

1431
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 1: backing up an elbowing and trying to dunk on people.

1432
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 1: And I just knew when Shot would need a break,

1433
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 1: and I was like, you need a break, You're all right,

1434
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: You're gonna play tonight. Not that much of a break.

1435
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: You paid me a mere thirty minute play him, but

1436
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 1: be nice, you know that kind of ship. I got

1437
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 1: a question though, back to the Will thing. I feel

1438
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 1: numbers don't lie, but they can be. The tour from

1439
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 1: a standpoint out on a consistent night, every was he

1440
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 1: playing against someone who was close to his size, at

1441
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: least bigger than six eight, bigger than six ten. Every

1442
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 1: because you think of the era that Shock ran through,

1443
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,799
Speaker 1: with all the big body guys he had to go against.

1444
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 1: I don't ever discredit Will because it's incredible, but I

1445
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: don't feel like I don't feel like distant basis. He

1446
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 1: was playing against real centers. Yeah, well you used to

1447
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: be allowed to remember, these guys are playing with canvas

1448
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: and rubber on the bottom, and you never played in

1449
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: the Boston Garden, and so in the Boston Garden before

1450
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 1: they became the new Boston Garden, it seemed like they

1451
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 1: just put the parcae wherever they wanted. It was. It

1452
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: was the worst thing to ever play off. Yeah, it

1453
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 1: was the worst cart ever to play and you play

1454
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: I just look at their life was different and rougher,

1455
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:42,520
Speaker 1: But I look at like Will Chamberlain had this unbelievable

1456
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 1: fade away and there was no way you're gonna stop

1457
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: his finger roll, which looked to be the worst shot ever,

1458
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: but it worked all the time. Yeah, he would he

1459
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 1: would do all kind of and he was like this

1460
01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:00,080
Speaker 1: still he'll go to bank. Was long and length he

1461
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 1: and and strong as as hell man. But like shot,

1462
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 1: if we ran a regular offense, Shock would have scored

1463
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 1: forty game. Like we needed to tryangle so everybody else

1464
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 1: could get the ball and so they wouldn't just focus

1465
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 1: on it. But the Shock. I remember I went to

1466
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: Kaie practice every day. Me and Dr Tom Mayron I

1467
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: were best. But like after practice, I go right third Street.

1468
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 1: He would put my neck and back and border and

1469
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:34,480
Speaker 1: then I go home. He would just leaning against him

1470
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 1: and I told him I was behind him each time

1471
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 1: to fill with call out certain calls. I would just

1472
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 1: stand behind him and hold them and then move them

1473
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 1: in the position right. And I was like, he was like,

1474
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 1: why can't I just when they throw the ball there,

1475
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 1: just back right here? I said you could. It's not

1476
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,679
Speaker 1: to play, and that became shocks play. If you came

1477
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 1: down and you threw it in the corner, you was

1478
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 1: about you were about to fail him. There was no

1479
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 1: way of stopping him. Um when I saw shotgunk on, yeah, Ming,

1480
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 1: I stood next to y'all ming, I don't know. I

1481
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 1: don't know what I would have done. I probably did

1482
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 1: all my pension ship, you know, trying to you know,

1483
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 1: pull your job, strap popping and all that kind of ship.

1484
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: And I would I would literally like grab guys under air, underhair,

1485
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 1: arm ship like that, anything anything to get you to

1486
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 1: throw a punch. And if I if you miss, I'm

1487
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 1: just gonna look at the ref like ref, what's so angry? Um? Well,

1488
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 1: I studied martial arts for a long time and I

1489
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 1: boxed for a long time, and I'm a non violent

1490
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: um jokester. But no one ever threw a punch at me.

1491
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: I remember I told one guy. I told Linzo, I

1492
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 1: said swing at me. I said, I promise you you

1493
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 1: should swing at me. I said, you will, you should

1494
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:02,719
Speaker 1: swing at you? My half something. Yeah, And I remember

1495
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 1: we just thought of messing with him. I said, Dennis

1496
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: thinks you're cute, and Dennis with you know, Dennis had asthma,

1497
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: so he you know, he's breathing funnier and he was like,

1498
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 1: what's wrong with y'all? Said, he thinks you're cute because

1499
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 1: I've seen the video. Uh. Den Ron was standing straight

1500
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 1: behind him and he goes and as Zoe comes out

1501
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 1: of the game, he looked at you, sick motherfucker. Dennis

1502
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 1: is like, anyway to get He was like, I don't know.

1503
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 1: Look at his calves, got great calves. Look at his calves.

1504
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: Calves are great. How did you get calves like that?

1505
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: Lines of was like, y'all, that's sick. But like Oakley, Oakley.

1506
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 1: Oakley would want to fight me all the time too. Uh,

1507
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 1: but that that guy you have to he would punch

1508
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 1: you in the face. Watch yourself. Keep that left up,

1509
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 1: keep that left up. And his fingers are already ready

1510
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 1: to fight. He walked like this, he's ready to make

1511
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 1: a fist. Yeah. Man, I've been around too. I talked

1512
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:58,799
Speaker 1: to him yesterday. Accident. Oak was, Man, you call it quits.

1513
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 1: In the early two thousand, reflect back four Rings, you

1514
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 1: got to play on the bad Boy Pistons, the Great

1515
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 1: Argue with the greatest team of all time with m

1516
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:09,720
Speaker 1: J and then you got to see shock in Kobe.

1517
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: When you look back in your career, what do you

1518
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 1: think about I think when I look I do this

1519
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 1: a lot. I go back, I would have done more

1520
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:23,679
Speaker 1: push ups, more pull ups, more chin ups. I would

1521
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:28,759
Speaker 1: have started yoga earlier. I would have literally God bless

1522
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 1: Adrian Danley for working on my diet since I was

1523
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:37,799
Speaker 1: a rookie. Um, I would have shot more jump shots. Um,

1524
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 1: that's what I would have done. I would have I

1525
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:42,639
Speaker 1: would have literally made my outside game to the point

1526
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 1: where they had to let me shoot. Um. When I

1527
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 1: go back, I should have made Phil signed me for

1528
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 1: the second second time around. Uh, I should I should

1529
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 1: have had a conversation about that. But I looked back

1530
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:00,600
Speaker 1: at my career and so my said, Man, if you

1531
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 1: would have played harder, you would have been an All star.

1532
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 1: I was like I was a champion. Plus I got

1533
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 1: to go to the parties and sleep in on Sunday

1534
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,600
Speaker 1: and sell my ticket, I mean give my tickets to

1535
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 1: someone else. Uh. Always was the hustle. And but I

1536
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 1: looked back at it, and I go I I had

1537
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 1: really good teammates. Um. I loved I loved every team

1538
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:29,720
Speaker 1: I played. I learned something each time. Uh. In my

1539
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 1: career that's bettered me in my adult life. M hm, yeah,

1540
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 1: acting I know you're good at it. Let me just

1541
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 1: tell you, I watched your show and that time you

1542
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 1: did that scene for who called me? I called you?

1543
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 1: I did you called me? That was? You have no

1544
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 1: idea that people go to acting class for five ten

1545
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: years and couldn't do what you did in that second.

1546
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it's like that can't do it. So

1547
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 1: I've gone to auditions and I walked in and I'm

1548
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 1: looking and guys look at me and look around, and

1549
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, I'm gonna get this, and then

1550
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: Terry Crew will walk in. I would walk out because

1551
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 1: I was Terry's gonna get this and he would get

1552
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 1: every single role. But I loved that. To me, that

1553
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 1: was the closest I got to basketball. Is that competition.

1554
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 1: Going to work with my acting coach, Ivana Chubbik, who

1555
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 1: was the greatest, Go work with her, get something and

1556
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 1: then go and do a piece. And whether I got

1557
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 1: it or not, I'm thinking, well I killed that one.

1558
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 1: They should have picked me. Like when I did Sneakarella,

1559
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 1: I they told me it was Kevin Garnett and and

1560
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: Mari Started and all these other people. I was like,

1561
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 1: you gotta be kidding me. I'm about to go and

1562
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:50,640
Speaker 1: kill this piece. It took me like three days to

1563
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,960
Speaker 1: work on it and then I just had to relax.

1564
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 1: But but in acting, man, the cool thing about acting

1565
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 1: is you playing the character. And I just heard Denzy

1566
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 1: Washington say that one time. And so I never walked

1567
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 1: in as John Sally, so I have no ego with

1568
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:13,679
Speaker 1: the role. Remember they were talking about Will Smith playing

1569
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:18,719
Speaker 1: in Six Degrees of Separation and Will said his biggest

1570
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:23,799
Speaker 1: mistake was he didn't go full. He didn't do exactly

1571
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,639
Speaker 1: as a strip set because he was more worried about

1572
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 1: being Will Smith than the character. But then you run

1573
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 1: into halle Berry and months the ball. Who wasn't halle Berry,

1574
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 1: she was the character. And when you give into being

1575
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: a character, that the great right, the great stuff happens.

1576
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 1: Jamie Fox, like y'all have, Kevin hard On, I love

1577
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 1: Kevin hard. Kevin hard is my favorite entertainer right now

1578
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 1: because she's doing more than just acting. He's being an

1579
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 1: entertainer and I love that about it. What has been

1580
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 1: your favorite role? Do you love playing yourself? Up? Playing Fletcher?

1581
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,800
Speaker 1: I love playing Fletcher. So in l A's Finance with

1582
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 1: Gabrielle Union and Jessica alba Um, I got to play

1583
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 1: Fletcher on l A's Finest I think seven times. So

1584
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:18,720
Speaker 1: I love playing a character because I literally can take

1585
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:20,679
Speaker 1: it as far as I want because it has nothing

1586
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 1: to do with me. Um And I tell anybody want

1587
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:27,160
Speaker 1: to act, be the character. When you and I did

1588
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:31,720
Speaker 1: what was that show with Laura London? No? B two?

1589
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:33,760
Speaker 1: We don't remember the name of the show, but we're

1590
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 1: sitting there and Matt was like, yeah, the game. And

1591
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,640
Speaker 1: we were sitting there and you were like, uh, we

1592
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 1: got notes. I was like, no, let's just we'll know

1593
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 1: when the cameras on when they tell us the camera's

1594
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:46,679
Speaker 1: on us. Let's just act like some something we heard

1595
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 1: a scene. Uh, and it's going in your brain. Just

1596
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: make sure you hit the marks and and you watch

1597
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 1: and not like you hear Jamie Fox sitting around talking

1598
01:34:56,400 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 1: about when they're on set and there's Leonardo the APO

1599
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 1: and this Samuel Jackson and just watching guys go through there.

1600
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 1: A great movie to watch is Once upon a Time

1601
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:11,720
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, because that is how this acting thing is.

1602
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 1: It's if you want to get out. And every time

1603
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:15,679
Speaker 1: you watch it, you said, I should have done it again,

1604
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 1: I should have done I should have done this. I

1605
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 1: don't like that. So I go in and my and

1606
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 1: if I know we're gonna shoot it, and how many

1607
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 1: times you're gonna shoot it, I know when the camera's

1608
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 1: over here, that's my PLV when the camera and I'm

1609
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 1: giving it to you every single time, the way I

1610
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 1: wanted to come out and when I look back, like,

1611
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 1: I love sneaker Rella because in my brain that's on

1612
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:41,720
Speaker 1: Disney Plus uh, in my brain, even though I was

1613
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 1: playing an X ball player, that's how I think the

1614
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 1: character would have acted. So it was easy somebody who's

1615
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 1: starting and acting like myself for other people, and they

1616
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 1: actually put some advice. What would what would you give?

1617
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:58,719
Speaker 1: Um when you get on set when when it's your

1618
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 1: turn on set, that's your turn. When it's not your turn, watch,

1619
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:08,960
Speaker 1: sit with the camera guys, sit with the focus pullers. Um,

1620
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:13,720
Speaker 1: don't touch anybody, don't give anybody hugs, bounce everybody. That's

1621
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 1: a that's a hint for now. Just because a hug

1622
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 1: chick may have a bad day. He touched me wrong.

1623
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: Now to everybody. Respect everybody, but literally know everybody's job.

1624
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 1: So like your cameramen here are terrible. But besides these

1625
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 1: horrible cameramen, there's some really good ones. Now we'll ask

1626
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 1: them questions like why is that a seventeen? Why is

1627
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:40,680
Speaker 1: that thirty five? What's that one shooting? Uh? Danny Danny DeVito. Man,

1628
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:43,200
Speaker 1: it's been a friend of mine since I got to Hollywood.

1629
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 1: He let me come watch him direct and he had

1630
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 1: three cameras working at a time in a movie which

1631
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 1: was they didn't do that a lot, and I had

1632
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 1: to watch him control all that piece. Then when I

1633
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 1: was shooting Eddie Whoopie Goldberg, we shot that in um

1634
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:04,759
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. They watched the dailies that night before

1635
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 1: they sent them out. After shooting fourteen sixteen hours, they

1636
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 1: go back and watch what they shot. I went sat

1637
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 1: and watched them. They go, why are you watching dailies?

1638
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 1: I was like, let's see if I'm gonna get better

1639
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 1: as this movie goes on, and like there's great writers.

1640
01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 1: When the writers are sitting around and you see him

1641
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:26,719
Speaker 1: in the writing room and you keep seeing the script

1642
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:30,800
Speaker 1: change going the writer's room, like ask them what they're

1643
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:34,440
Speaker 1: thinking about because you might get more lines too, especially

1644
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 1: if they think they're writing for you, and this is

1645
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 1: how you would deliver it. The script is a living thing.

1646
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 1: You may have one line in the beginning of the movie,

1647
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:45,160
Speaker 1: and if they see that you're a character, you might

1648
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 1: end up with way more lines. So it's competition too.

1649
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 1: Don't think it's not. You're competing against every other actor there,

1650
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:55,360
Speaker 1: whether they want you to believe that or not. And

1651
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 1: you're this job is only an audition for your next job.

1652
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 1: You told me you've got some stuff from me too,

1653
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 1: I do. I got I got a movie for you

1654
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 1: that is excited. And that's another thing. I always think movies.

1655
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 1: I love sports movies, but I like uh, I like

1656
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:15,760
Speaker 1: movies that literally take you out of what we're known

1657
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 1: to do. Like like, that's why I love Kanye because

1658
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 1: he proves me. He said, I could be a designer.

1659
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 1: I don't have to just be a rap star. I

1660
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 1: can be I can be a rock star and a designer.

1661
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 1: I like that piece. Fatherhood. Yeah, what's that like for you?

1662
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:40,600
Speaker 1: It's a It's amazing. It is an amazing thing. Two

1663
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:45,599
Speaker 1: literally have kids and then watch them make their choices

1664
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 1: in life. And I'm big, you know me when my

1665
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:51,639
Speaker 1: my daughters that they know not to come with me

1666
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 1: with anything because everything I tell them is a choice.

1667
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 1: Happiness is a choice where you go as a the

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01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:00,360
Speaker 1: choice who you're around, who you who you with, It's

1669
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:05,000
Speaker 1: all a choice. I try to give him as many

1670
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:07,559
Speaker 1: as much wisdom as a sense they would give him.

1671
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:12,759
Speaker 1: They obviously only one or two listens. But uh that's

1672
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:15,800
Speaker 1: that's that part. And I think every day. Man, I

1673
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 1: used to sleep hard. I sleep like because now I

1674
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:22,240
Speaker 1: gotta keep my phone on. But uh, I love my daughters.

1675
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 1: My daughters are probably the best daughters of anybody's daughters. Ever.

1676
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:30,800
Speaker 1: I think the thing with my really, Yeah, your daughter

1677
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 1: is not as cool as mine, So I think we

1678
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 1: need cool off. Yeah, the space you appreciate. Now, talk

1679
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:42,120
Speaker 1: to us about what you're doing in the space. Uh.

1680
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 1: My daughter, Tyler is the CEO of Deuces twenty two. Um,

1681
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 1: we can't call it that in Detroit. One guy got

1682
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 1: my name. He's tough on it too, so it's called

1683
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:56,280
Speaker 1: Spider twenty two in Detroit. And uh, high Time says

1684
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:58,360
Speaker 1: she was in the top fifty women in cannabis, which

1685
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 1: is cool, m man. So I got we We finally

1686
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 1: found the grower out in Cathedral City too far our weed,

1687
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 1: and we own a packaging company. Uh it just happens

1688
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:16,480
Speaker 1: to be the package that the weed goes in uh.

1689
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 1: And that's the way I had to make it a

1690
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 1: packaging company because you can't put weed money in the bank.

1691
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:24,800
Speaker 1: We ain't make no money yet, but we're about to

1692
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 1: God willing the creek don't rise, and and we only

1693
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:33,200
Speaker 1: do flour's going We're gonna start with pre rows. They

1694
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 1: dry it out. And I don't want a bad product, um,

1695
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 1: And I don't want my weed to literally taste like

1696
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:43,280
Speaker 1: everybody else's. I want you literally to get in where'd

1697
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:47,800
Speaker 1: you get this? So I believe in boutique growers. And

1698
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:50,679
Speaker 1: what we get, we get. If I can get thirty

1699
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:53,959
Speaker 1: pounds of great weed, that's what we put in a container.

1700
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 1: If I'm going only get ten, that's what we're putt

1701
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:59,560
Speaker 1: in the container. And we literally developing the brand to

1702
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:03,920
Speaker 1: sell the brand from when the Canadians come in and

1703
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 1: buy it when it when it But we had to.

1704
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 1: I think brands are the future of cannabis because there's

1705
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:11,920
Speaker 1: so much out there and there's so much trash out there.

1706
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 1: I've never gotten bad weed from Steven. Always say that

1707
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:20,080
Speaker 1: you've never Yeah, I've never got bad weed from you.

1708
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:23,800
Speaker 1: That is that is a wonderful thing. Um. And then

1709
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 1: everywhere Viola went remember I would show up and I

1710
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:30,720
Speaker 1: guess I guess Harold Dion realized. I was like, yeah,

1711
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 1: you what you're doing? And when he did it, I said,

1712
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 1: how's that going. No, man, ain't doing it. I wouldn't

1713
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 1: do it. If Viola didn't do it, I wouldn't do it.

1714
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:41,639
Speaker 1: And so we just decided, let's make it simple, let's

1715
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:45,599
Speaker 1: just be connoisseurs of cannabis, and then my daughter's show

1716
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:48,200
Speaker 1: comes out. We put a show together of the making

1717
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 1: of this brand. I know how to do TV, so

1718
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, I grabbed the cameras like I'm gonna grab

1719
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:57,439
Speaker 1: two of your cameras out of here, and uh, and

1720
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:01,840
Speaker 1: we just everywhere we we could go and film. We

1721
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:05,960
Speaker 1: did just so we can help destigmatize cannabis. Important. Yeah,

1722
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:10,160
Speaker 1: you gotta title for the show my daughter's show. Um.

1723
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 1: I was gonna call making a brand, but so many

1724
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:15,639
Speaker 1: people had that name of it. Um, I think we're

1725
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:17,720
Speaker 1: just going to call it Deuces twenty two to making

1726
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:21,600
Speaker 1: a cannabis brand. I think that's that. Yeah. Check. I

1727
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:24,639
Speaker 1: got my own streaming service too. I've been watching y'all

1728
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,639
Speaker 1: and watching everybody, so I hooked up with this company

1729
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:31,080
Speaker 1: called Altered My man black. Mike introduced me to him,

1730
01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:35,639
Speaker 1: my boy Josh, and uh yeah, and so I yeah,

1731
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:40,639
Speaker 1: so I yeah, I said, Uh, that's what the block is, right,

1732
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:45,160
Speaker 1: So I gotta I gotta one that deals with would

1733
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 1: on What are you talking about the CTV stuff? Yeah,

1734
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 1: I got when I started realizing I could make my

1735
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 1: own that if I put it on another network, I'm

1736
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:58,840
Speaker 1: not gonna say the name because they don't pay me YouTube.

1737
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 1: Um now, if I go on there, I'm not gonna

1738
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:05,720
Speaker 1: make any money. I should control the ads. And at

1739
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:10,200
Speaker 1: this time, every every rap artists can control a chance

1740
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:14,280
Speaker 1: to wrap it and control everything. Why do I have

1741
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 1: to submit to anybody but my own thing? I try

1742
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 1: to get with showtime. They just never called me back sometimes.

1743
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, they said, we got this show called

1744
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:31,800
Speaker 1: All the Smoke. What do we need with you? What

1745
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:33,639
Speaker 1: kind of shows do you watch in your spare time?

1746
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:38,599
Speaker 1: What kind of stuff are you into? I'm into everything

1747
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 1: that deals with Egyptology. I watch which was developed by

1748
01:43:43,479 --> 01:43:49,280
Speaker 1: the Greeks, uh, by the French long story the anything

1749
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:52,880
Speaker 1: would redo in the house. And I watched football like

1750
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:59,800
Speaker 1: a maniac. I because the Cowboys just just puff against you.

1751
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 1: We won last night. We won we're two on one.

1752
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:11,040
Speaker 1: What's wanted to opposite? I love Debo. Debo is my favorite.

1753
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:13,760
Speaker 1: Just go get him the ball. That's the problem. There's

1754
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 1: only one ball. H I like any team Tom Brady

1755
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:22,960
Speaker 1: is on, but I'm a fan of Aaron Rodgers. So

1756
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 1: watching the game the other day, I was like biting

1757
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:26,519
Speaker 1: my fingers like I had something to do with it.

1758
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:32,360
Speaker 1: But I like I like everything Tom tom Brady does. Yeah,

1759
01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 1: he makes you better quick hitters. Piece of advice you

1760
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:38,800
Speaker 1: would give your young self. You're younger self, excuse me,

1761
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 1: become vegan earlier and do yoga two hours a day.

1762
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 1: Two hours. That's a long time. So I'm gonna have

1763
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with back stuff and everybody telling me you

1764
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 1: gotta do yoga. Yeah, you gotta. Also, I can stop

1765
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 1: your back pain. Um, you have lower back page. My

1766
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:04,479
Speaker 1: bottom dis is gone. Oh who told you that? I

1767
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:08,320
Speaker 1: won't got to the doctor, so it's it's removed. Yeah,

1768
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:11,759
Speaker 1: so you should get calonics. I know it sounds crazy.

1769
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 1: The reason your bottom disk is gone is your lower

1770
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:18,680
Speaker 1: intestines is full of crap. So all the water that

1771
01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:22,680
Speaker 1: your lower intestines is looking for, it starts grabbing it

1772
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:25,680
Speaker 1: from the closest places. That's why you're lower. So your

1773
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 1: disk is only water. Now, once you clear your body

1774
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 1: and it's not leaching water from that disk, and you

1775
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:37,000
Speaker 1: extend your back by doing yoga, the disk will fill

1776
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:41,920
Speaker 1: back up with water. Okay, m hm, gang, you committed

1777
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:43,960
Speaker 1: to get to come? All right? It's six dollars drink

1778
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 1: of water that's gonna make it work. So if you

1779
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:48,880
Speaker 1: drink water, they gotta be spring water and you gotta

1780
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:52,680
Speaker 1: put bacon solder. So remember when we drink water, we

1781
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:57,080
Speaker 1: don't absorb it. Um if it's just plain water. If

1782
01:45:57,120 --> 01:45:59,479
Speaker 1: you have sea salt, a little bit of bacon solder

1783
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 1: in it, then of kidneys because you only want to

1784
01:46:01,439 --> 01:46:04,040
Speaker 1: drink water to absorb it so your body can use it.

1785
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:05,880
Speaker 1: But if it doesn't have anything in, it goes straight

1786
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:08,040
Speaker 1: to your bladder. If it's gonna make me healthy, and

1787
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 1: I do a clinic, I ain't tripping. No, Yeah, you're

1788
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 1: gonna feel great. I may not like how it feels,

1789
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:15,559
Speaker 1: but I know I'm gonna feel great. So you need

1790
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:17,880
Speaker 1: at least three to kind of get the man. How

1791
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:21,679
Speaker 1: you know, because I've done it before. Oh wow, slatting

1792
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:23,400
Speaker 1: your stomach, Why are you acting like, this stuff new

1793
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:25,120
Speaker 1: to me. Give me some information on it. They don't

1794
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:26,599
Speaker 1: want you to live. He don't want you to live.

1795
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:31,400
Speaker 1: You're looking for a new code. He's trying to get

1796
01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 1: new codes. He goes, you know, I carried the show,

1797
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:37,600
Speaker 1: and you know I've been me and my group have

1798
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:40,400
Speaker 1: been watching it, Like, why do I need anybody else?

1799
01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:44,960
Speaker 1: Even though it was the second time he said it,

1800
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:48,559
Speaker 1: that ship was still funny as hell. When I went

1801
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:51,880
Speaker 1: to Chicago, He's like, I was hoping you got robbed.

1802
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:59,800
Speaker 1: Shout out to his episode is gonna be amazing? Can

1803
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:03,360
Speaker 1: we tr se that? Top five comedians over Richard Pryor,

1804
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:11,840
Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, UM, Lenny Bruce and uh Cat Williams. Nice.

1805
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:14,519
Speaker 1: That's a nice five, boy, do you tell me? You

1806
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:16,719
Speaker 1: tell well, you know, let me go back. I gotta

1807
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 1: drop Lenny Bruce out, Bernie Matt Bernie. The reason I

1808
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:26,920
Speaker 1: said comedian because Bernie Matt was it didn't seem like

1809
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:28,960
Speaker 1: he was doing a bit. It just seemed like he

1810
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:35,760
Speaker 1: was talking. But Cat Williams is Cat Williams brilliant and uh,

1811
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:39,240
Speaker 1: I love and right after that would be earthquake. Corey

1812
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 1: Holcom literally had me laughing so hard on my pocket

1813
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:46,559
Speaker 1: he said something and I didn't want to laugh on camera,

1814
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 1: and I just because it would have been unfair and

1815
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:53,679
Speaker 1: I would have getten canceled, which I got anyway. But uh,

1816
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:57,920
Speaker 1: Harry Cory will make you. Uh he is. He is

1817
01:47:58,120 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 1: brother comedian for real. I like the young Cole too, hilarious.

1818
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:05,280
Speaker 1: I'm doing a comedy roast for my wife for a

1819
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:07,000
Speaker 1: Birthday'm gonna have mad A is one of the roasters,

1820
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:09,200
Speaker 1: so you can have to pick the rist. Well one

1821
01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:13,800
Speaker 1: of them got a smart yeah, but I want him

1822
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:15,920
Speaker 1: to like me. You know, I turned out every roast

1823
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:18,320
Speaker 1: they brought to me because I said, you know, when

1824
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:20,840
Speaker 1: people watch it, they think you really saying that. They

1825
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:26,040
Speaker 1: don't know what's written for you, and they heartless. Nah,

1826
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:30,000
Speaker 1: this is gonna be real. I got mad Mike Elp

1827
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:34,559
Speaker 1: so far Mike eft is gonna kill you. They gonna

1828
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:35,800
Speaker 1: do it. You can say it be doing. He'd be

1829
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:40,640
Speaker 1: talking about me and all this, he said. Stuck on

1830
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:47,559
Speaker 1: the Island three shows are movies in rotation. Stuck on

1831
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:53,280
Speaker 1: the Island, which island the most incredible one? No women, though,

1832
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:57,400
Speaker 1: then you shouldn't be You didn't kill me. The most

1833
01:48:57,400 --> 01:49:00,240
Speaker 1: incredible island. No women, what it was on the wife ivo?

1834
01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, uh okay. So if I were to be

1835
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:13,080
Speaker 1: on an island with movies first, either three movies or shows,

1836
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 1: oh shows, man, I would get Sanford and Son, I

1837
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:27,479
Speaker 1: would get good Time and I would have Martin classes. Right.

1838
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 1: If I was doing movies, I would do The Godfather's Saga,

1839
01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:39,759
Speaker 1: Star Wars Saga and all the Spike Leads movies. Starting

1840
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 1: a lot of including yourself of your past teammates in

1841
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:48,800
Speaker 1: their primes. Isaiah, uh um, this is what you're gonna

1842
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:52,760
Speaker 1: have a hard one. Who would my teammates be your

1843
01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:55,040
Speaker 1: all time? Starting five? You can need to include yourself

1844
01:49:55,120 --> 01:50:01,040
Speaker 1: or not. Joe Dumars, Isaiah Thomas, Dennis Ryman, Bill and

1845
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:06,479
Speaker 1: Bill Um, James Edwards and myself whatever to join the

1846
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:22,960
Speaker 1: Kobe Oh because I did. I just did too. You

1847
01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:25,800
Speaker 1: asked me from my So we can win games with

1848
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:28,759
Speaker 1: people you play with. Well, one, you got to realize

1849
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:31,280
Speaker 1: when you play with Michael, you don't get to shoot.

1850
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:34,320
Speaker 1: When you play with Kobe, you don't get to shoot

1851
01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:38,120
Speaker 1: when you play with Shot, you don't. If I'm if

1852
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:40,559
Speaker 1: Shock is on my squad and somebody else shoot, I'm

1853
01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:43,320
Speaker 1: kicking him in the fucking leg, throw the ball to

1854
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:49,559
Speaker 1: big period and the discussion. But if we're playing, I've

1855
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:54,479
Speaker 1: I've literally won games and the five I gave you

1856
01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 1: so I know it. But when if I had Michael

1857
01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:59,679
Speaker 1: on my squad, just you just had the best record

1858
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:03,400
Speaker 1: of ball. So if I were to pick, if you

1859
01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 1: were to say, if you were to say to me,

1860
01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 1: but that was the problem because Cob has to be

1861
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:11,000
Speaker 1: on the squad, they can't play together. That that would

1862
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:13,920
Speaker 1: be that that'd be overkill and they wouldn't be able

1863
01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:17,439
Speaker 1: to perform right. But if I had to pick it

1864
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:20,120
Speaker 1: that way, I would have Shaquille at center, me and

1865
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:25,960
Speaker 1: power forward Michael Jordan's um. I would have to have

1866
01:51:26,040 --> 01:51:32,320
Speaker 1: Isaiah handling the ball and then who I'm gonna have

1867
01:51:32,360 --> 01:51:39,519
Speaker 1: a small part, I play small forward. I would have

1868
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:45,639
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen. Yeah, my favorite squad would be Brian Shaw,

1869
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:52,880
Speaker 1: Glenn Rice, Steve Smith. Uh. You know I have this

1870
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:56,679
Speaker 1: one dude that that played on the team with me, Uh,

1871
01:51:56,760 --> 01:51:58,800
Speaker 1: Willie Burton. He was He was the most fun to

1872
01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:02,360
Speaker 1: go out with. Sweet sweet sweet will It was the

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01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:04,040
Speaker 1: most fun to go out with her. They call you

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01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:08,479
Speaker 1: sweet dick, Sweet dick. With the first thing you're doing

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01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 1: the morning, last thing you do at night. The first

1876
01:52:10,240 --> 01:52:13,680
Speaker 1: thing I do in the morning is uh wake up

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01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:18,000
Speaker 1: and UH drink. I drink about a leader of water

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01:52:18,360 --> 01:52:21,720
Speaker 1: with a little bacon solda in it. I stretch and

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01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:24,800
Speaker 1: then I go to the bathroom. And before I go

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01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:27,920
Speaker 1: to sleep at night, Uh, I smoke up a drone

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01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:33,559
Speaker 1: to guard and I have some Elevate tequila. We're switching

1882
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:36,439
Speaker 1: this up this time. Go ahead, on Big Fellow. There

1883
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:38,599
Speaker 1: was something I want to ask that we missed earlier.

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01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:45,280
Speaker 1: UM favorite teammate Brian Shaw, one of the coolest guys

1885
01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:48,439
Speaker 1: is the best. I just want you could have any

1886
01:52:48,479 --> 01:52:53,360
Speaker 1: guests on All the Smoke. Who would it be? Jamie Fox?

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01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 1: Adam already great interview. Jamie Fox is the best interview

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01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 1: and television want. Oh who you haven't had? Yeah, you

1889
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:06,559
Speaker 1: said his name already. There's a lot of names. He said, Zeke.

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Speaker 1: You don't have talked to him. Oh yeah, let's call

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01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:14,280
Speaker 1: him right now. He ain't gonna smoke weed now we

1892
01:53:14,360 --> 01:53:16,639
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, but he might drink some champage, drink

1893
01:53:16,680 --> 01:53:18,880
Speaker 1: something with us. Yeah. Yeah, we just want to have cloth.

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Speaker 1: That's a rap, John Sally. We appreciate you man, thank you,

1895
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:27,840
Speaker 1: thank you for because I made it. He's official. Now

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01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:30,400
Speaker 1: finally we got a little gift box for you. Oh

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01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:32,679
Speaker 1: y'all got gifts now? Yeah, come on all the smoke

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01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:36,880
Speaker 1: of power. Oh. I get to smoke Dot Store. There,

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01:53:37,120 --> 01:53:39,000
Speaker 1: you mean I smoke Dot Store. But you know we

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Speaker 1: had to show you some love. And I know you're

1901
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:43,040
Speaker 1: gonna rocket. Yeah. I get to be a walking billboard

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01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:47,960
Speaker 1: for free business of Hollywood. Yeah, you can catch up

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01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:51,799
Speaker 1: some Showtime basketball YouTube and the i R platform Black Effects.

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01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:55,000
Speaker 1: Catch him on his solo thanks for free look at

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Speaker 1: Let's see y'all next time.