1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Boom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes a 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants of 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He treats 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the rich 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: pill poppers in the penthouse, to carry out some hot takes, 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with Ben 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: Maller starts right now, Hey, we welcome in the great comedian, 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: a man who I hung out with briefly back in 9 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: the day. And I guess the question here to begin, 10 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: and I don't even know this story, Sarge is how 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: did Sarge the comedian end up as a sports talk 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: show host at Fox Sports Radio? How did that begin? Sarge? Okay, 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: so my whole life growing up in New York, which 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: is where I grew up. I grew up in Long Island, 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: first during the Islanders four Cup administration back in the 16 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: back in the you know cusp of the seventies and eighties, 17 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: That's where it grew up. And then in New York City, 18 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: I wanted to be Marv Albert. I mean I it 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: was just you know, growing up as a kid, you 20 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 1: weren't allowed to listen to games after eight o'clock, nine o'clock. 21 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: Your mother would say, durn that off. And I had 22 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: a pillow speaker, and I'd be listening to Marv Albert 23 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: in my pillow speaker, not al Albert, not Steve Albert, 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: not Kenny Albert, for those all those other generations, which 25 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: had to be an interesting passover dinner, you know, past 26 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: the horse radish, No, you past the horse radish. So anyway, 27 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: there was all the Alberts. I wanted to be Marv. 28 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: And and so my my quest to become Marv logically 29 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: began with me trying to get a job in broadcasting. 30 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: And I went out to uh Chase Stadium with a 31 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: handheld tape recorder and recorded myself doing the game and 32 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: on a tape. You know, I just sat in the 33 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: crowd up the first baseline and recorded myself doing the 34 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: met game against the Giants as it were at that time, 35 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: and um and I began to record. I was twenty 36 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: six years old. I said, you know what, I'm gonna 37 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: make a tape. I'm gonna figure it out. And so 38 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: I did the tape. I played it for a friend 39 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: of mine named Andy. He said, that sounds just like 40 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: the radio. That's not you, and I said, no, it's 41 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: it's me. I promise you it's me. He said, well 42 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: that you should be a play by play guy. I said, 43 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: I know. I mean, so what do I do? He says, 44 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. Call call major League Baseball. So I 45 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: called Major League Baseball and UH, to make a long 46 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: story short, I called the Commissioner's office and a woman 47 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: answered the phone and SI, can I help you? I said, yes, 48 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: madam as sorry, it's my birthday. I want to be 49 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: a play by play guy. Please help me. So she said, 50 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: who is this? I said, this is sorry, it's my 51 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: birthday and I want to do play. I want to 52 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: talk to the commissioner about who I can send my 53 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: tape to. Here it sounds really authentic. And then I 54 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: played the tape into the phone and she laughed, and 55 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: she says, is it really your birthday? I said, it's 56 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: my birthday. She says, okay, I'll tell you what. She says. 57 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: The commissioner is not gonna talk to you. But what 58 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: I'll do is I'll give you. I'll give you a 59 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: birthday gift. Come over to the offices of Major League Baseball. 60 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: There'll be an envelope for you. At the front desk, 61 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: come pick it up. So I jumped in a taxi. 62 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: I was on sixty one Street and First Avenue by 63 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: Roosevelt Island. I jumped in a taxi. I went over 64 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: to Major League Baseball. I went up in the elevator. 65 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: No security in those days, because there was no danger, 66 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: right and uh, I walked right in, got the envelope, 67 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: got in the elevator, and in the envelope the woman 68 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: had xerox to roll a dex and she put all 69 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: these cards on the Xerox machine and gave me a 70 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: list of all the networks in order, alphabetically with you know, 71 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: complete with inside numbers of So I went home and uh, 72 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: I sat with that list and I looked at it, 73 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: and I started with the ace and I called the 74 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: number on the list. It said ABC, ABC Sports. So 75 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: I dial ABC and this this voice answers the phone. 76 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: He says, hello, how can I help you? I said, yes, 77 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: this is sorry, it's my birthday. I want to be 78 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: a broadcaster. Um, I'm willing to start at the bottom. Um, 79 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: who do I need? Just me too? So the guy said, 80 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: who is this really? I said, this is sorry, it's 81 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: my birthday. I want to be. So the guy said 82 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: come on. He says really. He says, is it really 83 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: your birthday? I said, yes, it's really my birthday. He said, um, well, 84 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: he says, I'm not really the guy you want to 85 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: talk to. My assistant stepped away. I've answered my own 86 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: phone for the first time in eleven years. I said, 87 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: oh really, I said, who are you? He said, well, 88 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm ruin our ledge. So I said you're ruined whoa Yeah, 89 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: I said, how are you doing? I didn't know who 90 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: he was. I said, hey, run, that's a weird name room. 91 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: I said, you must ruin everything at family get together. 92 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: So he said that's really funny. He said it's it's 93 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,559 Speaker 1: Scottish and welch and whatever. So we're talking and he says, um, 94 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: how'd you get this number? I said, I can't tell you. 95 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: The lady said she'd get killed if I Okay, don't 96 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: worry about it. He says, I'll tell you what. He goes, 97 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: Happy birthday. The next guy you speak to, I'm gonna 98 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: put you through to this guy. Tell him just what 99 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: you told me. Well, anyhow, I recreated that same conversation again. 100 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: High to my birthday. I want to be a broadcaster. 101 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: The guy said, I'm not the guy you want to 102 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: talk to. How did you get my number? I said, 103 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: I just got off the phone with Roon. He said, oh, 104 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: you spoke to run I said, yes, I spoke to Roum. 105 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: He said, well, let me put you through to the 106 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: next guy. And he put me through the next guy. 107 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: And that's what the fourth guy said, What are you 108 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: doing this weekend? I said, I don't know. He goes 109 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: meet us in Atlantic City by the ABC trucks. He says, 110 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: you're hired. I said, what. He says, You're hired. Come 111 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: to Atlantic City. We're doing boxing this weekend. It was 112 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: the Jeff Harding Dennis Andre's fight in Atlantic City at 113 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: Trump uh Convention Center. So I went down there and 114 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: I was a runner for the announcers. But in my 115 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: mind I thought I was one guy getting sick from 116 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: being on the air. And so I started as a 117 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: runner at ABC Sports. They hired me for the next week, 118 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: and then the next week, and then the next week, 119 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: and then I ended up on Wide World. I ended 120 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: up on boxing coverage. I ended up on basketball. I 121 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: ended up on baseball with Al Michael's, Jim Palmer and 122 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: McCarver Monday Sunday night baseball. I was doing both. Jackson's 123 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: returned to Yankee Stadium to baseball after the hip injury. 124 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, the whole thing. I end up at 125 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: ABC for a while, I get fired. I end up 126 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: at CBS for a while. I got fired. Finally I 127 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: ended up at ESPN in Bristol, and I'm living in Bristol, 128 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: Connecticut working the seven, the eleven, which was the Big Show, 129 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: and the two AM Sports Center with Chris Myers and 130 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: Linda Cone. I was working fourteen fifteen, sixteen hour days, 131 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: living in Bristol, still doing production, associate work, still doing 132 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: assistant producer work, highlight producing, etcetera, etcetera. All these years 133 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 1: I started five six years, I'm working behind the scenes, 134 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: thinking I'm gonna be a broadcast. I finally gave up. 135 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: I went back to stand up comedy. I moved to 136 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and then one day a gentleman gave me 137 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: a call. He said sorry, I said, yes, Chris Myers. 138 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: I said, how are you doing? Chris? He says, hello, anybody. 139 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: He says, I need a sidekick. He says, I just 140 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: got hired to be a charter post on Fox. Sports radio. 141 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: They gave me Psycho Lions as a sidekick. He's gonna 142 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: be on the road with baseball a lot. I need 143 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: a sidekick. We could do all those funny routines. We 144 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: used to do it two in the morning at Bristol 145 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: in uh An ESPN. He says, you could just be 146 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: my sidekick. They're gonna give you a you know, hourly wage. 147 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: Blave blave black. Come in check it out. I came in. 148 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: I did the first three hours show with Chris Myers. 149 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: The last segment of the first show, there was a 150 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: couple of gentlemen sitting on the other side of the glass, 151 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: next to the technician on the board. One of them 152 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: was James Brown, the host of Fox NFL Sunday at 153 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: the time before Metafi took over, and the other one 154 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: was a great hair gentleman with glasses. So they motioned 155 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: to me to come out. I knew JB from New 156 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: York from working at CBS, and the other gentleman said, 157 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: how come you don't have your own show? I said, 158 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: how come I don't have my own show? I said, 159 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just started today. I'm a sidekick 160 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: to this guy. I said, I don't have my old show, 161 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: because I just got here. I don't even have I 162 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: don't be sure I'm gonna get paid for this. So 163 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: he says, come to my office after you get off 164 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 1: the air. And so I went down to this gentleman's office, 165 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: and that was David Hill, a Fox Sports who ran 166 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: the entire damn place. And he said to me, listen. 167 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: He says, I want you to do a show on 168 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: your own. He says, you're very funny, you're very talented. 169 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: We'll give your own show from five day. I said, well, 170 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: what about I'm here to be my friend's sidekick from 171 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: you know, Chris Meyer. He says, I I'll worry about him. 172 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: He says, who, I said, woman, what am I gonna do? 173 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 1: He says, you can still work with him two to 174 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: five if you want, but you're gonna work five to 175 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: eight by yourself. I said, okay, fantastic, he said, you 176 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: so I had never been talent before. I've been doing 177 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: impressions and and here I am. I go from not 178 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: working on the radio to working six hours a day 179 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: on the radio. And that's how I got my job, 180 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: you know, on your network. That is wild and uh sorry, 181 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: just the I'd never heard that story that you just 182 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: randomly called up and ruined our lage, a legend in television, 183 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: happened to answer the phone, and you actually ended up 184 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: getting a job out of it. That's wild. That's a 185 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: crazy story. It's insane. It's absolutely it's absolutely the truth 186 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: and easier than days before background checks and Google and 187 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: what have you see, Because when I spoke to Room, 188 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: the next time guy I spoke to was Jack O'Hara. 189 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: The next guy spoke to was Kirk County Junior, Kirk 190 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: County Jr. Uh Kirk County's son. So I went down 191 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: the line of all the hierarchy of ABC, and everyone 192 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: asked me, how did you get my number? Why? I 193 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: just spoke to Ruin. I just spoke to your boss, Jack, 194 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: I just spoke to your other boss. And they're like, 195 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: oh okay. And so the next guy I spoke to 196 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: was a guy named Tony TORTOESI. He said, what are 197 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: you doing Saturday? And they hired me over the phone, 198 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: and there I was. So it's you know, you gotta 199 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: make your own luck, and every one of us has 200 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 1: a story. You have stories like that where you so 201 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: you know, the rules don't apply to the lucky. The 202 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: lucky have to get in line. The unlucky have to 203 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: get in line. But people who just tenaciously align themselves 204 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: with the universe and do what is in their heart, 205 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: what they really want, what they really want to do. Um, 206 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: there's a certain amount of majesty and luck to that. 207 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: And that was my dumb luck. When I got fired 208 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: from ABC, I just watched the crawl at the end 209 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: of the tournament, the nt A Tournament, and I saw 210 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: the names going by on the screen when they did 211 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: one shining moment, and I saw the name of a 212 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: gentleman named Arthur Harris Jr. And so he said he 213 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: was the operations vice president of CBS. So what I 214 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: did was, when I got fired from ABC the following day, 215 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: I called Arthur Harris Junior's phone in his office every 216 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: single day for a month and spoke to his assistant, 217 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: and every day she would say, he doesn't know. You 218 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: stopped calling here. And after two weeks she finally said 219 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: to me, is this sires? I said, yeah, she goes, 220 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: you know, you're the highlight of my day. I said why, 221 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: she says, I don't know. She says, you just righten 222 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: my my day. Whatever is going on. You're always funny. 223 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: You never give up. Every time I tell you he 224 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: won't talk to you, you called back the next day. 225 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: So finally, after a month, after a month, on a Monday, 226 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: I finally decided, you know what, I'm not gonna call 227 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: there anymore. The phone rang Hello, Sergeant, Uh, this is 228 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: Arthur Harris Jr. I said, Arthur. He said, no, it's 229 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: Mr Harris to you. I said, Hi. Mr Harris said 230 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: why are you? Why are you calling me? He says, 231 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. He says, I wondered why you didn't 232 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: call up today, so I to find out if something 233 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: happened to you. I said, yeah, but you haven't taken 234 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: my call all month. He says, I haven't got a 235 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: job for you. But I'd like to meet you. I'd 236 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: like to meet the person who I think is the 237 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: most tenacious, who never gives up. I want to put 238 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: a face with an energy. Why don't you come to 239 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: my office tomorrow eleven o'clock And we went to his 240 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: office and we went to have lunch. By the time 241 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: time we got back to black Rock on Sixth Avenue, 242 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: the guy said to me, I don't have a desk 243 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: for you. I don't even have a job for you, 244 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: I got to clear someone else out in order to 245 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: give you. I said, that's fine, I'll wait. He says, 246 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: you start Monday, and he hired me. And that's how 247 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: I got my job at CBS. So you know it's 248 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: in those days, Yeah, it's just blind faith and energy. 249 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: You can't really do that. These days. It's much different 250 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: with social media and and all that stuff and guard 251 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: rails and whatnot. It's hard to pull up. But when 252 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: you were doing sports radio at Fox, I remember you 253 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: had the evening show West Coast Time on Fox Sports. 254 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: How difficult? Wasn't mean you You'd obviously been doing You've 255 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: been around all these people and all that was it? 256 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: Was it a smooth transition for her? Or was it bumping? 257 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: It was easy as could be for me because I 258 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: had come from stand up comedy. And you know the 259 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: only hard part was, you know, turning that part of 260 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: my brain off that is allowed to say anything it 261 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: wants when it's got a microphone in its hand. So 262 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: once I once I adjusted to that and learned that 263 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: I can't just say whatever I want. And I didn't 264 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: learn by trial by fire. I mean I just automatically 265 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: transitioned into knowing what I couldn't couldn't do, And I 266 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: thought I was doing great, and a lot of other 267 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: people thought I was doing great too, even though I 268 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: didn't have the full respect of the entire staff, um 269 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,599 Speaker 1: or you know, of the other people, because you know, 270 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: obviously a lot of the people that were producing shows 271 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: for talent and that were behind the scenes, you know, 272 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: they knew I was a comedian. Um. Then I wasn't 273 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: a hardcore other leather neck, uh you know, sports sports guy, 274 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: hadn't done radio anywhere else really, Um, it was obvious 275 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: that I was grandfathered in because you know, I had 276 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: a lot of higher ups from you know, from Pico, 277 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: from the Fox lot coming over to visit, etcetera, etcetera. UM, 278 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: And I didn't know the politics of radio and the 279 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: behind the scenes of radio, and I didn't know the 280 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: ridiculousness and the and the uh some of the you know, 281 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: corporate stuff that goes on and uh with with talent, etcetera, etcetera. 282 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: All I knew was the Mike's open and I just 283 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: gotta stick to my segment times. And then they came 284 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: to me from Clear Channel, UM, Craig Kitchens and the 285 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: Premier people said, well, we we we would like you 286 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: to have a sidekick. And at that time, Jason Smith 287 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: had been doing my I've been doing my updates, and 288 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: so I brought him in. I said, hey, you know what, 289 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: I was already using him in parts of the show 290 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: when I rejoined segments, So I said, why don't you 291 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: come be my lieutenant? And um it was Sergeant the 292 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: bad Lieutenant Sergeant the Fox Hall on Fox Sports Radio. 293 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: I really didn't know what I was doing. Um, what 294 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: was it? What was the thing? I remember when callers 295 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: would call up, they had to say something, what was 296 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: the he was in the foxhll? Was you required the 297 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: Yeah they would say. They would say sir, yes, sir, 298 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: and I would give them permission to speak freely. I remember, 299 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: I remember that was hilarious. But but then I was 300 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: I've always been a sports guy, and believe me, I 301 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: used to. UM, I used to in the early days, 302 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: back in those days, you know that when we were 303 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: broadcasting not from Sherman Oaks, but from over on the 304 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: Fox lot, and the executives over there said, hey, uh, 305 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: if you have any ideas for TV shows, let us know, 306 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we're we're blowing out a lot 307 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: of things on the sports that let us know. Let 308 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: us know if you have any idea. So I went 309 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: into one of the executive's offices and I said, here's 310 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: an idea for show. Um, it's Sargeant the Fox Hall, 311 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: and I can be the anti Rome. I don't have 312 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: to be the crass, obnoxious, sarcastic, sneering smug. I can 313 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: be the positive, uplifting, funny, same thing, but the other 314 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: side of the coin from Rome. And UM. I said, 315 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: we could put bleachers in and chain link fence, and 316 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: there could be a coffee table with billiard balls in it, 317 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of chairs. And because we're in l A, 318 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: we could have rotating co hosts every week. You could 319 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: have Dickerson in. You can have this guy in. You 320 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: can have Marcus Allen, you could have you know this 321 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: guy and uh I and I would host it and 322 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: um and I put I put the thing on his desk. 323 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: So after about three months, I said, whatever happened with 324 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: that treatment? I sent you that one pager? He said, Oh, 325 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: come on, come on, I want to show you something. 326 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: He says, we can't do York Show because we're already 327 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: doing something really similar. So I was like, what do 328 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: you mean? And he took me in the studio and 329 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: it was everything that I put in the treatment, except 330 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: for they hired uh lamp Ley to host it and 331 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: they were doing a thing and they were doing a 332 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: thing called Best Sam Sports Show. Yeah, and that was 333 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: your A lot of that was your idea that you 334 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: were well, yeah, well yeah, but but you know what, 335 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna prove I didn't get the 336 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: idea while I was, you know, in the John in 337 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: the building. I wasn't gonna sue the company, uh for 338 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, from all you took my idea. So the 339 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: guy said to me, hey, listen, we'll get you a 340 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: job on the show. You'll do voice overs. All the 341 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: stuff that Looney does, all the stuff that Tom Looney 342 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: did all those years. Was I was doing it before Looney. 343 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: I was doing all the voice overs. I was writing 344 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: all the funny segments. I was doing some hits on 345 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: the show. Um. So now I'm working daytime on the 346 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: Fox lot, and then we're moving to Sherman Oaks. I'm 347 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: doing radio. So from never being talent only being a comedian, 348 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: I was doing TV during the day and radio in 349 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: the evening, three hours of show prep before I would 350 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: go on the air out in the out and Mountain, 351 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: the Patti over there, over in between the and I 352 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: and I was, you know, working both ends of it 353 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 1: and loving it and uh and then you know something's changed, 354 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: and then uh, you know. I was offered a reduction 355 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: in pay and one of my veteran radio friends, a 356 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: gentleman named Shadow Stevens, I said, what do I do? 357 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: They want to give me a reduction in pay because 358 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: they say that I'm getting paid more than the amount 359 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: of advertising my show was generating. UM. I was on 360 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: in a hundred and fifty nine affiliates. UM. I thought 361 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: that was good enough since we started with thirteen and 362 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: they were, you know, not willing. He says, never take 363 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: a cut and pay. You're a really funny guy. You 364 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: have other options. A lot of radio guys don't have that. 365 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: Go back to doing stand up and if it's supposed 366 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: to be, it'll be, and if it's not supposed to be, 367 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: it won't be. And I continued working on best to 368 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,719 Speaker 1: have sports show. I went back to my stand up. 369 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: I lost my Fox Sports radio slot. They gave it 370 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: to a number of other people. They tried people, they 371 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: used people, they did pick whatever it was, and I 372 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: never looked back. And and now I live in a 373 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: place called Delray Beach, Florida. Um. I worked, you know, 374 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: fifty two weeks a year around you know, the East 375 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: Coast mostly um, a little bit of Vegas, a lot 376 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: of East Coast, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, New York, Boston, 377 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: New Jersey. I'm gonna be in New Jersey. I'm gonna 378 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: be Atlantic City this weekend, um doing some shows and 379 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: down here in Florida, which is a bastion of retirees 380 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: and people who uh know what I'm talking about because 381 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: they're from you know, New York, New Jersey, Boston. So yeah, 382 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: the good news, Starge is at your age here you 383 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: can stay there and you're not that old. But now 384 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: you're set up, right, you don't have to move to 385 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: Florida when you get older. You're already there. You're you're 386 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: set up. I'm already here, and you know what it. 387 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: You know, I was born in Miami Beach, so um, 388 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: i live fifteen miles north. I'm fifty miles north of 389 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: Miami Beach. Um. But I love Florida. I love Um, 390 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: the warm weather. I love being by them. I live 391 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: on the beach. Um, I love the ocean. I don't 392 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: have to put our wet suit. UM, I can go 393 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,239 Speaker 1: on the ocean here. It's like the tropics. And UM, 394 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: I love it down here. And so a lot of retirees. 395 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: Retirees need entertainment, you know, And UM, I do a 396 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: lot of shows. There's there's hundreds and hundreds of golf 397 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: um communities, country clubs and gated communities with people over 398 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: fifty five that phil seven to twelve hundred seat venues 399 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,239 Speaker 1: to come see comedy. And I don't have to get 400 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: on a plane. For years, I was on planes and hotels. 401 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: I'm in Toledo, I'm in I'm in Palm Springs, I'm 402 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: in I'm in Amarillo. Now I can. I'm in Naples, 403 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: I'm in Tampa. I mean, I'm in Delray. I'm in 404 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: West Palm Beach, I'm in Boca. I'm in Miami, and 405 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: I'm home. You know, I've got I got a fourteen 406 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: year old tail, I've got a fifteen year old marriage. UM, 407 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: you know I'm happy. Yeah. Well, and sorry, and before 408 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: we'll move on from Fox Sports Radio, but I want 409 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: you to know that I've I'm still there. I haven't 410 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: actually did lee. They fired me in twenty nine and 411 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: I was I was laid off. I was out of 412 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: work for six months in twenty six days, and then 413 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: they brought me back. But other than that, I've been 414 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: there since. I remember when the thing launched with thirteen 415 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: affiliates in Binghamton, New York. Right that we're Binghamton, Pittsburgh, 416 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: a few other places in the early days. But you'll 417 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: be happy to know, Sarge, that they have threatened to 418 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: move out of the Sherman Oaks compound for probably three 419 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 1: or four times. But we are still there and it's 420 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: the same exact studio as you left. All of the 421 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: stains are still there. I'm sure that there's stuff that 422 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: you left behind it somewhere in the cupboards at Fox 423 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. So it's it hasn't changed at all. It's 424 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: exactly the same just as how you left it back 425 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: in the day. Serge. You'll be happy to well, you 426 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: know I I left it, but you know I never 427 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: I never made a big, a big showing of leaving. 428 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: Like I was told by by personal friends of mine 429 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: that were pretty successful in radio. They said, don't don't 430 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: don't do a victory lap, don't do a goodbye tour. 431 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: Just um, the day before you're leaving, tell people tomorrow 432 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: is gonna be your last show. Say thank you, and 433 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: you know, go go out into that good night and 434 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: don't don't do that. Don't burn the bridge, don't get 435 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: So that's exactly what I did. Uh, you know, I 436 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: I uh And you know what, it's almost like dying 437 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: when you leave somewhere like that. And I know you 438 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: you probably experienced that. It's like you're dying and the 439 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: whole world is gonna go on without you. Yeah, it's 440 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: totally it's totally true. And you think, you know, this 441 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: is a big part of your life. You do it 442 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: every day and radio. Once you do radio, and you 443 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: know this sergeant gets in your blood and you're you're 444 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: it's it's just who you are. And then when you 445 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: you're not working there and you turned on the station 446 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: and someone else's you're like, oh my god. Well, you know, 447 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: and I grew up, you know, Ben, I grew up 448 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: not only with some of the some of the greats 449 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: uh in broadcasting, but I also grew up in a 450 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: place called New York where we had a thing called 451 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: w f a N and the early days of w 452 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: f a N, which was the original first sports radio 453 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, all network format. And so I've been listening 454 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: to the way before Mike and the mad Dog. I mean, 455 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: I grew up with Matt dog Russo from the Mad 456 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: Dog Channel. Um. We grew up in Long Island. We 457 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: went to school together. I was a catcher. He was 458 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: the shortstop on our on our middle school team. And 459 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: so I knew I knew about sports radio and listened 460 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: to sports radio. And somewhere in the back of my heart, 461 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: the combination of passion for sports and my comedic ability, 462 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, at some point dovetailed into an opportunity. Um, 463 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: and it was really out of nowhere, it was, and 464 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: I stopped trying to be a radio host. That I 465 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: got a bunch of radio work. UM. I wouldn't recommend 466 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: that to people who are young and and coming up 467 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: and trying to figure out what to do. I suggest you, 468 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: you know, get educated and and apprentice places and intern 469 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: places and learn and start from the bottom so you can, 470 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, learn every single nugget. But at the end 471 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: of the day, Um, it goes how it goes for 472 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: all of us, and uh so I'm glad to hear 473 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: that things. You know, things are good over there, and yeah, 474 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: I know things are things are going. They were on 475 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: over five affiliates. Now the network is past ESPN by 476 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: many people believe. So it's done. It's done very well. 477 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: So but I I want to talk more about you, Sarge, 478 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: and and not just the sports radio stuff. But I 479 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: knew that you were a comedian and I remember we 480 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: crossed paths obviously during those days, but I had no 481 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: idea you had done gigs you were on stage or 482 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: performing for before a wreath of Franklin and and a huge, 483 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: huge performance back in the day. I mean, I had 484 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: no idea, Storge. I mean, this is a fascinating thing 485 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: to me that you you were and obviously you're very successful, 486 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: but you were around these other people that were also successful. 487 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: How did I not know this, Sarge? How did I? 488 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: How was that aware of it? To be honest with you, 489 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: And I know this sounds a little bit salty, but 490 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a humble I'm a humble guy. I've never 491 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: I've never been the kind of person that that is 492 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: really you know, a braggart or someone that you know, 493 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: it's It's rare in in our business to have people 494 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: that aren't constantly you know, patting themselves on the back 495 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: or tooting their own horn. But I had really good 496 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: mentors that taught me not not to see. I'm I know, 497 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: I'm also I'm also I don't want to jink set. 498 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: It's like when I started doing comedy. You know, I 499 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: started at the very very bottom. You know, Um, you 500 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: have to you have to know this. I had a 501 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: drug and alcohol problem in the late eighties after I 502 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: was relieved of my responsibilities at CBS, UM and and 503 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: and you know, my first job after I got cleaned, 504 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: my first big job was back at ESPN, you know, 505 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: living in Bristol. But I have been homeless and drug addicted, 506 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: an alcoholic and living under a bridge in in New 507 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: York City. I never told anybody that either, Um, you know, 508 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: and I've been swept up in the mid eighties and 509 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: late eighties in the whole crack thing, with crack and 510 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: PCP and all the drugs and the alcohol. And I 511 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: literally went from working NFL Sundays at CBS in the 512 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: control room, UM at the Broadcast Center to under the 513 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: Manhattan Bridge, UM stealing for my drug habits. So when 514 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: I got clean and sober and I was given an 515 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: opportunity to turn my life around, they asked me what 516 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to do with the rest of my life 517 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: if I couldn't fail, and I said that I wanted 518 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: to be a comedian. I always wanted to be a comedian. 519 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: And so when I moved to New York, I started 520 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: at the bottom and open mic night and I just 521 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: showed up ten twelve places a night to try and 522 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: get stage time. In New York. I developed a ferocious 523 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: approach to, you know, trying to get stage time. And 524 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: then one night I performed you at a place called 525 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: Carolines on Broadway on an off night on a Tuesday, 526 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: did a set and uh. The next day I got 527 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: a call from William Morris Agency, which is a big 528 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: entertainment firm. At the time, they were the biggest in 529 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,479 Speaker 1: the business, and they said uh. I said, wow, did 530 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: you get my invitation to come to the show at Carolines? 531 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: And the guy said yes. I said, so you were 532 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: there last night and the guy said no, And I said, 533 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: what do you mean you weren't there? He says, well, 534 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: sometimes it's better that I heard about your set rather 535 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: than that I was there for it. Everyone's talking about you, 536 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: I said, really, and I was an open micer. So 537 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: the guy said, hey, listen, come up to the office. 538 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: We're at sixth Avenue. We'd like to sign you, and 539 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: I want you to need all the agents over here. 540 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: So I went up to the agency, I met everybody, 541 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: they signed me, and a month later I was in 542 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: the Melody tent in Cape Caught with Natalie Cole opening 543 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: for her, and um, all I've ever done was a 544 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: bunch of local gigs, making making making nothing. But here 545 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: I am with Natalie Cole in front of you know, 546 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: several thousand people and Cape cod and then uh, they 547 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: heard about me and I ended up with Donna Summer 548 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: and the tour started at Radio City Music Hall in 549 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: New York. And the next thing you know, I found out, 550 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: without knowing this, that I was a really good, high energy, 551 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: funny opening act. Um. Maybe it's because I didn't care 552 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: about the fact that the people weren't there to see me. 553 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: They were there to see the star that went on 554 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: after me, and it didn't phase me because I didn't 555 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: really know that that was the deal. I just showed up. 556 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: I went, I went on stage, and then once again you, 557 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: you and you and I both shared something in common 558 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: with both big guys and I kind of I'm a 559 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: big guy on stage, and um, I command a little 560 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: bit of attention. I'm likable. UM I I love people. 561 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: Um I have no fear because I pray and I 562 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: meditate to get rid of my fear. Why because I 563 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: can't have a drink or smoke a joint. So I 564 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: pray and I meditate. Did you ever have did you 565 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: ever have stage fright when you started? You know? You 566 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: always I had stage fright. I had stage fright. Well, 567 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: what I learned was if I have a bunch of 568 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: meditations that I do to take away the fear that 569 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: I learned that I learned in the early stages of 570 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: becoming clean and sober, that helped me to not drink 571 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: and drug. And so when I got to stand up 572 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: and I was scared before I would go on, I 573 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: would just go in the men's room and do my bit, 574 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: and you know, and get rid of it with spiritual means. 575 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: And that I went on stage and I was able 576 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: to be creative. See, because when you go on stage 577 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: with your stage fright, all the audience sees is your 578 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: fear when you go on stage relaxed as you and 579 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: you leave your stage fright in the bathroom behind a 580 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: bunch of meditations and a couple of prayers. Next thing 581 00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: you know, they're seeing you. So there was no cotton out, 582 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: there were no shaky hands. I operated perfectly, creatively, imaginatively, 583 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: and then I knew that's where I should be, you know, 584 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: standing there making people happy because I was happy. And 585 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: to make a long story short, that's my whole life. 586 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: My whole life is you know, dedicated to making people 587 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: happy an hour and a half and two hours at 588 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: a time, and um, I get to do it. And 589 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: the same way as you know, people can't live. You're 590 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: part of people's lives. Uh, in your day job, you're 591 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: part of people's lives. They don't know what they do. 592 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: Uh if if they didn't turn on uh you know 593 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: Ben Maller and and you know so it's never it's 594 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: never a good idea to underestimate. Um, the contribution that 595 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: you make, no matter whether your company thinks so or 596 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: whether your paycheck reflects it. Um, your contribution is is 597 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: magnificent and vital to people. And uh, you know you'll 598 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: never you'll never get paid what you're worth. So just 599 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: do what you just do what you're here to do 600 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: is really the message. So as a comedian, sorry, I'm fascinating. 601 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: I love Colm and you're you're very good at would 602 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: you do? But how how much time do you spend 603 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: when you're how how often do you rotate material? Like? 604 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: What's the whole process? How you make the hot dogs? 605 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: When it comes to comedy? Is there a secret formula 606 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,719 Speaker 1: that you have you know you will for each There 607 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: are many different types of comedic talent. Mine is more 608 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: extemporaneous and I'm not as much of a writer as 609 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: some people. So for instance, to just you know, to 610 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: give you an example of a couple of guys that 611 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: you do know, Seinfeld is a is A is a ferocious, 612 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: meticulous technician and engineer of words. Smith. You know he 613 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: every word, every of every joke, every concept, every topic 614 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: is deliberated over and then reworked and worked and rewritten. Um, 615 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: I'm more like Kevin Hart. Kevin Hart. Um, we go 616 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: on stage, you bring a bunch of bullet points, and 617 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: we talk our comedy into being because we're personality comics. 618 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: I'm a personality comic. I go on stage if you 619 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: go on YouTube and you an your type in comedian 620 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: Sarge or Sarge comedian, you'll see um. I'm very extemporaneous. 621 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: I rotate material um daily because I operate from the 622 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: file cabinet theory. I just opened a bunch of drawers 623 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: and pull out files and go, what do we have here? 624 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: What do we have here? What do we have here? 625 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: Because I have the courage to not worry about uh 626 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: dead air, I go on stage, I open cold every 627 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: night with what my day was today, and then I 628 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: take off from there. So basically my comedy is live, 629 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: and every time people come to see me, it's a 630 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: different show. No, that's great, Yeah, that's wonderful. And and 631 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: how are you surviving? I feel bad for all comedians 632 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: these days because of the way things are going, Starge. 633 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: Where we've seen comedians canceled. You tell a joke, somebody 634 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: didn't like it, and the next thing you know, it 635 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: blows up on the internet. And do you feel sometimes, Starge, 636 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: like you're you're dancing around land mines when you're on 637 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: stage these days with the whaler world in much in 638 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: much the same way then, as you know from the 639 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: experience of others and from the failings of others and 640 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: the mistakes of others, and you know, being a radio 641 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: house knowing I better not talk about that. I better 642 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: not talk about that that way. I better not bring 643 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: that up. I bet or not use those words. I 644 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: better it's you know what, um, people can listen for. 645 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: So so when it comes to comedy, I took a 646 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: pause for a minute, you know, when things started getting 647 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: a little hairy. But at the end of the day, 648 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: the courage of people like Adam Corolla, UM and others 649 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: like that, who don't even breathe hard, they just do. 650 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: I gotta do me. I can't worry about this person 651 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: is gonna be upset about this. That person is gonna 652 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: be upset about that I do jokes. Jokes are all 653 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: about somebody or something. And if you've lost your sense 654 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: of humor, it's a dead giveaway that you've taken yourself 655 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: too seriously. And I'm not in a situation where I 656 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: can you know I'm gonna be canceled. Knock on wood. 657 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: I'm not a big target, um, I'm I'm a working 658 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: class comic who's got a hundred and fifty gigs a year. 659 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: My audiences love what I do. I'm not on the 660 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: same level as people who are targets for cancelation, and 661 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: quite frankly, I stay away from the more you know, 662 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: potent dangerous subjects. I don't really need to comment on politics. 663 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: I don't really need to comment on people's genitalia. I 664 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: don't need to make any commentary about people's gender ideology. 665 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: I can you know, so as long as you stay 666 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: away from those things and keep it experiential and personal, 667 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: I'm just reporting my life. I'm sharing my life with people. 668 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: And if they don't, if they find something distasteful or 669 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: they don't like it, then don't come see me um 670 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: or don't watch or change the channel. You know, we 671 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: used to be free to change the channel if you 672 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: don't like the show or the song that's playing, change 673 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: the channel. Don't don't petition to have the person executed. No, 674 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: I'm right there with you, Storgs. I deal with this 675 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: in the radio world, where you know, we're around the 676 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: same age, and I feel like we've had, you know, 677 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: similar lives as far as you know entertainment. We grew 678 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: up where if you didn't like something, all right and 679 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 1: go to the next show, and and people today are 680 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: just not I'm not everyone, but a lot of a 681 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: lot of people are like, no, no, no, We've got 682 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: to get rid of this. This is terrible. And I 683 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: was like, it's like, it's like going to a restaurant 684 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 1: and you don't like the food, and then we got 685 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,439 Speaker 1: to close the restaurant down because you had a bad meal, 686 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: then just going to the next restaurant. It's just ridiculous. Well, 687 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: I'll tell you where that where that. The evolution of 688 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: that is very simple. You know, the world became a 689 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: place where everyone reacts to everything when social media and 690 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: like buttons got involved and people just started reading headlines 691 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: instead of the entire article, when people started listening to 692 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: books instead of reading them. People don't think anymore. They 693 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: don't want to think. They just want to react. They 694 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: hear something and they react. They hear a jump, they 695 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: don't like the react that you're a word. They don't like. 696 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: They react. Everything is reactionary, nothing is deliberative, and so 697 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: we're constantly reacting to everything and reacting to everybody. And 698 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: then at some point, maybe if people haven't moved on 699 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: to the next thing they're reacting to, there may be 700 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: some deliberation, but there really is no deliberative process anymore, 701 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: and all people do is react and move on to 702 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: the next reaction. React, react, react, And it's the same 703 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: as a dating app. They swipe, swipe, I don't like 704 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 1: this person. You're making all these judgments based on the 705 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 1: way people look. Shallow, shallow, shallow. I don't like this person, 706 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: I don't like, don't like. Go oh, there's a guy. Oh. 707 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: I like his hair, I like her eyes, I like 708 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: her body. You know, boom boom boom. So it's like 709 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: that hot or not hot, and it's exactly the same thing. 710 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: So when I'm standing in front of an audience for 711 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: two hours, the reason why I work to a more 712 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: mature crowd, you know, is because those people still like 713 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: to be told a story, not to be using you know, 714 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: four letter words all night. Every other word is m 715 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: F this, m F, m F this, m F m 716 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: F those MF grabbing myself and screaming. You know. I 717 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,800 Speaker 1: tell stories. I take people on a journey, and that 718 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: the age of my customer still enjoys being told the story, 719 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: still enjoys a long show, you know that includes um, 720 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of deliberative stuff and things to 721 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: think about. So to make a long story short, Um, 722 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be around too much longer. So now 723 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: you'll be You got a cult following star you you're 724 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: you're in good shape. And and I I was blown away. 725 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: So I was like, I was your Your name had 726 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: come up in conversation in the hallways of Fox Sports Radio, 727 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: right and so a while back, and I was like, 728 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: I wonder what Sarge is up to? And and I 729 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: had lost track e And then I found and you 730 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: got all the gigs and all that, and you've got 731 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: a website and and whatnot and so and then I 732 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: I discovered you. You're an author, Sarge the community. You 733 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: wrote a book a couple of years ago. Tell me 734 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: about that. Um, well, A dear friend of mine was 735 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: a guy named Gary Marshall who created Happy Days and 736 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: The Odd Couple for television and Pretty Woman, you know, 737 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: the legendary Gary Marshall. Yeah. And Gary Marshall said, uh, 738 00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: you know, one night he saw me and a A 739 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: A her uh in in Los Angeles and he came. 740 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: He called me a couple of days later, and he said, uh, 741 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: he asked me what he called me on the phone. 742 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: He got my numbers somehow, and he said, uh, what 743 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: are you so happy about? So I said, what who 744 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: is this? You know it's Gary Marshall. Gary Marshall, Oh 745 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: my god. So we started talking and he wanted to 746 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: know why I was so happy. He said, you're such 747 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: a happy guy. I've never seen a happy comedian. I 748 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: worked with Gleason, I worked with Robin Williams, I worked 749 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: with this one, I worked with that one. He says, 750 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: I've never met a happy comedian. He says, you're a 751 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: happy guy. And the reason I can see that is 752 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,439 Speaker 1: because I'm happy too. And I said, oh. He says, 753 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: what are we good? What are we gonna? Get together? 754 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: So I said, get together? And so I got together 755 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: with Gary Marshall and I went over to his house, 756 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: into Luca Lake, and uh, you know, one of the 757 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: first things he said to me was, you've got to 758 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: write the book and then write another book. He says, 759 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: the world needs to know it, but you need to 760 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: share yourself with people. He says, life is so temporary. 761 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: Write the book, write the book. And so uh, I said, okay, 762 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: I'll write the book. He says, And when you write 763 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: the book, I'll write the foreword for you. He says, 764 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: maybe I'll put my name on the cover of the 765 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: book for you and maybe people will say, oh, Gary Marshall, 766 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, maybe they'll pick it up. So to make 767 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: a long story short, Gary Marshall insisted that I write 768 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 1: a book. And I've sold about forty six thousand copies 769 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: and uh and I signed every single one of them 770 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: with you know, I've gone through a lot of Sharpie's. Um. 771 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: But it's all about my mixed rates upbringing. Um, and 772 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,359 Speaker 1: it's all about my life on the streets and my life. Uh. 773 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,879 Speaker 1: There's even some you know stuff in there about Fox 774 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and about the story I told you at 775 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: the top of the podcast, and and all the things 776 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: that have happened in my my life has been truly 777 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: extraordinary then and um and uh so I thank you. 778 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for you inviting me, um and you know, 779 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: and and actually looking me up and getting in touch 780 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: and inviting me to goin you here, because uh, you're 781 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: one of the really really sweet guys. And uh, you know, 782 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: once I left there, I was gone. Business is business, 783 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: and so it's just very nice. No, it's great, listen, 784 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: it's great to catch up with I know I've kept 785 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: you long enough here and you've got things to do 786 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: and all that, but this weekend, Atlantic City, this podcast 787 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 1: dropping on a Friday, and obviously your website right if 788 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: you want to. You have a bunch of gigs lined 789 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: up and they can go to your website. We'll put 790 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,800 Speaker 1: that in the profile of the podcast and starts thank you, 791 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,839 Speaker 1: thank you, it's great that you're a good mench Sorry, 792 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: you're a good manch Thank you, Ben, thank you, God 793 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: bless you and be well and have a have a 794 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: wonderful weekend.