1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: Senator Cornyan, thanks so much for being with us, especially 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: at this busy time. I am wondering, though, after all 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 2: this is said and done, is Congress in the same 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: situation two weeks from now. 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 3: Well, it's entirely possible. Unfortunately, Chuck Schumer and President Trump 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 3: negotiated a deal that provides for a two week extensions 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 3: so the House can then take up and pass the 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 3: Defense excuse me, the Department Homeland Security Appropriations Bill. But 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 3: it sounds like the mister Hackeen Jeffries, the leader, and 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 3: the Democrats in the House are not going to cooperate. 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 3: So we'll see whether the Speaker can pull a rabbit 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 3: out of the hat and get the votes with just Republicans. 14 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: Senator, though, don't both sides have the ability to cooperate 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: and shouldn't both sides be working together to get this done? 16 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: Yes, that's the short answer. It's really I mean, this 17 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 3: is the basic functioning of government. It's pay the bills, 18 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 3: keep the lights on, and it's unnecessary and it is 19 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 3: also an opportunity cost in the sense that we are 20 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 3: using time that we could be doing other more important things. 21 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: For the American people, But unfortunately this is where we are. 22 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: Julie asks about the two week continuing resolution Senator, because 23 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: a lot of folks on Capitol Hill do not think 24 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: there will be enough time there to craft some sort 25 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: of agreement and put it in the form of legislation 26 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: when it comes to new restrictions on ICE, and I'm 27 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: wondering where your head is on some of the ideas 28 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: that are out there. Democrats want agents to be unmasked, 29 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: where body cameras, no more warrantless raids, and additional training. 30 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: Are you in favor of all four of those? 31 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: Well, I'm always or seeing how we can improve current 32 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: operations and that includes ICE. And I believe mister Homan, 33 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 3: who's now in charge up in Minnesota at Minneapolis, has 34 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 3: said the same thing. But I don't believe there is 35 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 3: enough time to open this whole range of topics, nor 36 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 3: do I think we should. Because these are professional law 37 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 3: enforcement officers. One of the main problems and what's happened 38 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 3: in places like Minneapolis is these are sanctuary jurisdictions. They 39 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 3: don't cooperate with law enforcement at the federal level, and 40 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: so ICE has no alternative but to make these detentions 41 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 3: in the general population, and of course you have various 42 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: instigators interrupting and interceding, sometimes with disastrous consequences. So I 43 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 3: don't think. I think, while certainly these institutional reforms are 44 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: important and I would support trying to make it better, 45 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: this unfortunately is part of the same sort of strain 46 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 3: of thought to get us defund the police and abolish ICE, 47 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: and I think we have to enforce the law, and 48 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: that's what President Trump believes as well. 49 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: Are you, just to be clear, open to demasking ICE 50 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: agents when they're working in the field. 51 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: I think that's an insult two ICE agents. We know 52 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: that ICE agents are going to be targeted by some 53 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: of these instigators what I call really they are essentially 54 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 3: asking for anarchy, certainly chaos, because if we abandon the 55 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: rule of law, that's all we have left. And so 56 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: these ICE agents are being targeted by some of the 57 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 3: anti ICE instigators, and I think in some instances their 58 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: identity should be protected. But this is just to me, 59 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 3: just a ridiculous request. 60 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: Well, well, just to be clear before we move on 61 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: to some other issues here, Senator, following these two fatal 62 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: shootings that we saw in Minneapolis, you don't feel any 63 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: different about restrictions on ICE. 64 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 3: Well, I think the main thing that needs to be 65 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: done is that the Minneapolis and Minnesota needs to quit 66 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: refusing to cooperate with federal law enforcement officers. You don't 67 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: see this happening in Texas because when illegal aliens are 68 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: apprehended for some state or local violation, they are routinely 69 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: handed over to ICE at the jail and then subject 70 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: to deportation. But when local law enforcement or state law 71 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 3: enforcement in some of these sanctuary jurisdictions don't do it, 72 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,679 Speaker 3: ICE has no alternative but to try to go knock 73 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 3: on a door and make an arrest when they believe 74 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: they have an illegal alien evating, elating, evading apprehension. Excuse me, so, 75 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: I think unfortunately in both of these instances, these individuals 76 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 3: did not cooperate with law enforcement, and unfortunately that when 77 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 3: that happens, tragedies like this occur, which are regrettable. But 78 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 3: I think the answer to it is for the sanctuary 79 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: jurisdictions to cooperate with federal law enforcement so that federal 80 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 3: immigration laws can be enforced, hopefully without these kind of 81 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: tragedies occurring. 82 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 2: Senator, one more quick question on this so you don't 83 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: think really any reforms are needed or is there anything 84 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: you would be open to changing about ICE. 85 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 3: No, I didn't mean to suggest no reforms would be necessary, 86 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 3: But I think, as Tom Homan said, and by the way, 87 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: I think he's the right guy for the job, this 88 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 3: is escalated, totally out of control, and I think everybody 89 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 3: realizes that and it needs to de escalate. And I 90 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,679 Speaker 3: think mister Holman has been the voice of a seasoned 91 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: professional who has been applauded by Democrat administrations and republic 92 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: administrations to try to bring some order out of this 93 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: chaos us. But the simple answer is that while ICE 94 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 3: may need to fine tune some of its procedures in 95 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 3: order to try to de escalate and avoid conflict, that's 96 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 3: a two way street. And these sanctuary jurisdictions need to 97 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 3: cooperate with law enforcement in the interests of de escalating 98 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: and avoiding some of these tragedies. 99 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 2: Senator, I do want to turn out too our home 100 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: state of Texas and Texas Senate District nine. The Democrat 101 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: really a shocking upset in that race there. Does it 102 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: concern you as you were up for reelection this year? 103 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 3: It does concern me as We know these special elections 104 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 3: are notoriously volatile, and I know a lot of people 105 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 3: are trying to figure out exactly what happened here a 106 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: district that President Trump won by seventeen points and then 107 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 3: the Democrat won by a swing to sixteen points, and 108 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: so a huge swing there. Some of it had to 109 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 3: do with with a small turnout, I think it was 110 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 3: about fifteen percent of registered voters, But the quality of 111 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 3: the candidates and the nature of the campaigns also matter. 112 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: And obviously what the candidates were the Republican candidate was 113 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 3: campaigning on was not something that was received well by 114 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: the voters. So I think there's going to be more 115 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: analysis to this, and there's a lot of different reasons 116 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 3: why this could have occurred, but hopefully we'll learn the 117 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: lessons from this disastrous outcome. 118 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: One of your thoughts on nationalizing elections, Senator, The President 119 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: was in an interview yesterday on Dan Bongino's show and 120 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: said we should take over the voting in at least 121 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: fifteen places the Republicans ought to nationalize the voting. Is 122 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: that something you support? 123 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 3: Well? There is one area where I do believe there 124 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: should be a standard of voter identification you're familiar with 125 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: the Save Act, the Save America Act, which I support, 126 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 3: That is not a takeover of state run elections. But 127 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: what it does require, it is the irreducible minimum, is 128 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: that American citizens be allowed to vote, and anyone who 129 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: can't produce the appropriate identification would not be allowed. And 130 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 3: that's a matter of protecting the integrity of the ballot. 131 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: But you do think states should continue to administer elections 132 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: as for. 133 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: The I do. But I do think that in those 134 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 3: blue states, particularly where they don't have these same sort 135 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 3: of integrity measures that we have in Texas and are 136 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 3: in other states, that a requirement of a proof of 137 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 3: American citizenship and voter idea is something that is supported 138 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 3: on a bipartisan basis makes a lot of sense. So 139 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: that's why I support the Save America Act. 140 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: Center Before we let you go, we do want to 141 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: touch on foreign affairs very quickly. What should happen next 142 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 2: in Iran? 143 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: Well, the President's got a very tough call here, obviously. 144 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 3: This Iran is the number one state sponsor of international terrorism, 145 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: is responsible for most of the misery and mischief that's 146 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 3: occurring in the Middle East, including the October seventh attack, 147 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 3: in Israel by Hamas one of their proxies. They have 148 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 3: of course been trying to develop nuclear weapons. They have 149 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 3: long range ballistic missiles that threaten our allies in the region, 150 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 3: and the President, I know, is being presented with a 151 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 3: range of options here. The real question, I think, Julie, 152 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 3: is what comes next if the supreme leader is deposed. 153 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: Usually what happens in these countries like Venezuela and Iran 154 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 3: is are virtual police states and the leadership, the authoritarian 155 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 3: leaders basically kill all their competition and they destroy the 156 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 3: institutions that would be there once they are deposed. So 157 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 3: this is going to be a hard decision by the 158 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 3: President because there's no easy answer in Iran. 159 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: Do you support another round of strikes then, Senator, is 160 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: it time to hit Tehran? 161 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 3: Well, I think that that is one of the things 162 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: that the President, I'm sure is being presented because they 163 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 3: have the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps and the Kuds Forces 164 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 3: is called, which are their primary primary tools or instruments 165 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 3: of international terrorism emanating from Tehran through its proxies. So 166 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 3: the President may decide that that's an appropriate target. 167 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: Senator, it's good to spend some time with you and 168 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: We appreciate the insights as always on Bloomberg. Republican Senator 169 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: John Corn of Texas, thank you.