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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huts.

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Speaker 2: Giants Giants Bubble, gim me some job.

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Speaker 3: Part of the Giants Podcast Network.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Giants Little Podcast, brought to you by Citizens,

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Speaker 4: the official bank of the New York Giants. I'm John Schmelk.

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Speaker 4: You won't hear me on any of the interviews this week,

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Speaker 4: as you might or might not have heard, I came

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Speaker 4: down with a minor case of pneumonia this week. Good times,

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Speaker 4: so Paul Deatino was happy to pinch it for me.

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Speaker 4: On the player interview, he talked to Giants defensive back

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Speaker 4: and special teamer Nick McCleod, who's had an increased role

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Speaker 4: the last couple of weeks, including a couple big takeaways

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Speaker 4: last week against the Commanders. Lance Meadow has your Patriots

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Speaker 4: Preview with Mike Reese, who covers a team for ESPN's

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Speaker 4: NFL Nation, and then Bob Pope is Always has his

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Speaker 4: weekly conversation with head coach of the Giants, Brian Dable.

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Speaker 4: Let's start with our player interview Paul Datino with Nick McCleod.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 1: We are joined by Nick McLeod, who came up with

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Speaker 1: his first pro winterception last week for the Giants against

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Speaker 1: Washington also had a force fumble as well. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to leave that out because we know special teams

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Speaker 1: are a big deal for you. But how did the

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Speaker 1: pick field. You've been playing enough defensive back for the

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Speaker 1: Giants over the course of the two years since you've

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Speaker 1: been here, so I know you will probably get you

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Speaker 6: One, definitely, And like I just been telling everybody, I

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Speaker 6: just want to thank God for the opportunity that I

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Speaker 6: get to go out there when I do get to

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Speaker 6: go out there on defense, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Obviously I want to play.

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Speaker 6: More on defense, but that's not always up to me.

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Speaker 6: So just thank God for the opportunity. And then just

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Speaker 6: on the pick, just going out there and just trying

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Speaker 6: to make a play help the team win.

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Speaker 2: So I'm glad I got to come down with it.

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Speaker 6: I know I've dropped a few, so I'm glad I

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Speaker 1: They say that sometimes turnovers like sacks can be infectious

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Speaker 1: and they will come in bunches.

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Speaker 2: They certainly seem to.

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Speaker 1: Be coming to this team over the course of the

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Speaker 1: last few weeks. Is there's something noticeably different about why

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Speaker 1: you guys are getting them.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I just think we're putting a better emphasis

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Speaker 6: on going for the ball more, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 6: And you can see that on how we tackle. We're

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Speaker 6: punching at the ball, we're tackling, we're attacking the ball

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Speaker 6: when it's in the air. Just some more emphasis on

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Speaker 6: going for the ball, so we can, you know what

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Speaker 6: I'm saying, generate points. However, we can, whether we got

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Speaker 6: to do it or help the offense get good feel withsis,

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Speaker 6: and we're.

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Speaker 2: Gonna try to do that from here or out now.

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Speaker 1: It's always fair to say, though that if you play

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Speaker 1: more man and the man, it's harder to get interceptions

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Speaker 1: because you're playing the man as opposed to the ball.

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Speaker 1: And I understand that too. So how much does that

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Speaker 1: kind of enter the equation when you guys want more takeaways,

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Speaker 1: but earlier in the season you weren't getting them, but

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Speaker 1: you're playing man.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's always tough because, like you said, whenever

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Speaker 6: you're playing man and man, your job is to defendive

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Speaker 6: man and if you can get the ball from there,

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Speaker 6: then that's going to be a plus.

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Speaker 2: But I think what we've been doing the last couple

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Speaker 6: Us generate more turnovers in terms of eyes on the

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Speaker 2: So it's going real good for it, so hopefully we

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Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you a little bit more

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Speaker 1: about the defensive back stuff before we go to special teams.

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Speaker 1: You've played on the boundary, You've played some slot here.

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Speaker 1: They even had you during the early part of this

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Speaker 1: during practice and so forth. Where were you most comfortable

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Speaker 1: because you have been productive every time they put you

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Speaker 6: Just me personally, I'm most comfortable at corner just because

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Speaker 6: that's what I've been playing since I was seven eight

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Speaker 6: nine years old, you know what I'm saying. That's the

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Speaker 6: first position that I that I said I was gonna play.

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Speaker 6: But like we were saying earlier, just with my size

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Speaker 6: nickels safety. So just going out there in whatever way

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Speaker 1: They do shait the more you can do right and

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Speaker 1: certainly you are proof positive of that because the Giants

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Speaker 1: went out of their way to make sure they got

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Speaker 6: Definitely, because like you said, they went out of their

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Speaker 6: I got here the Bills, they had me playing a

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Speaker 6: even playing a little bit of safety in the preseason

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Speaker 6: that helped me with is my versatility part of just

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you about special teams now, because that

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Speaker 1: is obviously where you've made the biggest mark in terms

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Speaker 1: of publicity wise. Last two years you've been here with

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Speaker 1: the Giants, You've been one of the leaders on special teams.

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Speaker 1: You're always the guy first in the picture. You're always

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Speaker 1: also been part of fumble recoveries and force fumbles. You've

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Speaker 1: done everything you can do on specials. What do you

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Speaker 1: enjoy most about playing that role?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just feel like it's a mindset.

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Speaker 6: Just special teams is a mindset kind of thing, and

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Speaker 2: Always win my one on one and help the team.

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Speaker 6: So whether that's a gun or whether that's on kickoff

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Speaker 2: It's always going to be a one on one matchup.

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Speaker 6: So just me going out there with a doct mentality

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Speaker 6: So I just feel like, like I was saying earlier,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to cheat you because you had a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, like I said, just going out there

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Speaker 6: and making plays, man, that's how That's what's gonna pop

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Speaker 6: that's what that's what helps the team win. You know

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Speaker 6: what I'm saying, Just making any kind of play that

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Speaker 1: So Jamie Gillan's having a heck of a year punping

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Speaker 1: the ball this year, much better than he's ever had

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Speaker 1: in his career. But I always say that a big

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Speaker 1: part of that are the gunners, because you guys got

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Speaker 1: to work hand in hand the Giants this year. I

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Speaker 1: want to look at this number now.

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Speaker 2: I saw this.

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Speaker 1: Five point three on pump return average for the opposition,

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Speaker 1: third lowest in the National Football League. That's got to

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Speaker 1: be something you guys and that special teams.

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Speaker 2: You were the real product.

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Speaker 6: Man. I mean, I feel like we lose a lot

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Speaker 2: But that is a crazy stat and that's just a testament.

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Speaker 6: Look to like you said, just Jamie putting the ball.

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Speaker 6: Great Darnay going on there making plays. He's been coming

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Speaker 6: on the last couple of weeks. Cam Brown, a lot

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Speaker 6: of big hits, Carter. You know what I'm saying, Just

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Speaker 6: the whole the unit as a whole, Isaiah Simmons out

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Speaker 6: at a high level.

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Speaker 1: What is the teamwork or the level of communication between

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Speaker 1: you and the punter when when you execute a play

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Speaker 1: like that that stops a team deep in their own

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Speaker 1: territory because it's unseen by the public. I don't think

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Speaker 2: Like you said, they don't understand how big it is

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Speaker 6: Possession of position basis in terms of field position, but

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Speaker 6: just us knowing that he's going to do his job

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Speaker 6: to do our job in terms of gunner play at

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Speaker 6: elite level. I feel like that's the biggest thing that's

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Speaker 1: So and so many people don't seem to understand it

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Speaker 2: For the offense exactly exactly.

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Speaker 6: So, like you said, just with that right there and

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Speaker 6: with the returners that we played, that's that is a

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Speaker 2: That's that's huge.

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Speaker 6: Like five yards of field position, that's huge in terms of, uh,

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Speaker 6: the defense playing well, you know what I'm saying, Putting

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Speaker 6: the defense on the short field so they can go

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Speaker 6: short ball, get the offensive ball back on the short field,

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Speaker 6: so that all goes into everything, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So earlier this year, Taiwan Jones came in former special

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Speaker 1: and I remember during the preseason when you weren't playing

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Speaker 1: what I was seeing on special teams. Taiwan comes in

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Speaker 1: and I said to him, you're a hired gun. You're

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Speaker 1: going to show the rest of these guys how it's done.

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Speaker 1: And he said to me, the m cleode knows how

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Speaker 1: it's done. He and I have been talking. Could you

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Speaker 1: talk about the influence that he had on you and

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Speaker 1: the special teams unit even though he was only here

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Speaker 6: Man, I just when I tell people all the time

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Speaker 6: when it comes to like Special Teams and just carving

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Speaker 6: out a role for yourself kind of like how I

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Speaker 6: did when I first got here. I think Taiwan Jones

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Speaker 6: and Saran Neil, like I owe those guys everything when

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Speaker 6: it comes to that right there, just watching them work

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Speaker 6: and watching how they carved themselves like a role with

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Speaker 2: They came to work every day and how they approached

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Speaker 6: Teams with not so much of a downward mindset, but

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Speaker 6: They gotta they got an all star group of special

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Speaker 1: Final thought. So many people look at this team and

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Speaker 2: We just got to go out there and do our

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Speaker 8: The Giants at Patriots meet for the first time since

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Speaker 8: twenty nineteen when they collide at MetLife Stadium on Sunday

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Speaker 8: to help break down the Pats, now joined by a

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Speaker 8: Mike Reese. Mikey got Lance Meadow here on Giants dot Com.

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Speaker 8: Greatly appreciate the time. Always good to catch up with you.

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Speaker 8: Hope all as well. How's everything on your end?

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Speaker 3: Everything's great, Lance, It's a great week. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: It's one of my favorites. When you combine the football,

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Speaker 8: And we'll see whether or not we actually get a

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Speaker 9: And that's where I want to start.

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Speaker 8: With respect to the Patriots starting quarterback that seems to

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Speaker 3: So you won't be surprised to learn that Bill Belichick

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Speaker 8: Mike, from a big picture perspective, all of this movement

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Speaker 3: It's affecting the team a lot, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 9: Well, I think that's an excellent point.

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Speaker 3: in their ten games, so start with that. But even

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Speaker 3: at LAN it's like, let's say they went with one configuration,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure it would be good enough, you know,

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Speaker 3: And I guess I'd go big picture because there's so

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Speaker 3: many things to talk about with offensive line because you've

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Speaker 3: got five guys, and like I think when you bring

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Speaker 3: in a new offensive system like they did Bill O'Brien

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Speaker 3: coming in, the second most important hire in my view

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Speaker 3: is the offensive line coach and how you marry up

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Speaker 3: your offensive system with your blocking schemes. And they hired

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Speaker 3: Adrian Klem who had been with the Steelers and with

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Speaker 3: the University of Oregon, and he's not with the team

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Speaker 3: right now due to an illness. So that whole what

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Speaker 3: you're hoping came together. Bill O'Brien, Adrian Clem coming together

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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator, offensive line coach, with whatever talent they assembled.

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Speaker 3: It's sort of been interrupted, you know, with this health issue,

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Speaker 3: and to me, it's shown at times on the field,

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Speaker 3: and even then I would question, like, is the talent

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Speaker 3: at the level you know that they need upfront across

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Speaker 3: the board?

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Speaker 8: We're talking about Mike Reese, who covers the Patriots or

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Speaker 8: ESPN NFL Nation reporter. We set the stage for the

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Speaker 8: Giants of the Patriots MetLife Stadium on Sunday. I'm sure

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Speaker 8: a lot of Giants fans listening Mike hear your breakdown

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Speaker 8: of the Patriots offensive line and they're saying, well, we

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Speaker 8: can relate to that in Giants' land, given they just

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Speaker 8: went through two straight games where they actually had the

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Speaker 8: same configuration on the offensive line. So just goes to

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Speaker 8: show you a lot of similarities at least on paper

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Speaker 8: with both of these teams. You brought up Bill O'Brien

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Speaker 8: and how the play caller, aside from the O line

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Speaker 8: coach is so critical to get as much as possible

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Speaker 8: out of the quarterback. Is it fair then to say, Mike,

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Speaker 8: because Bill has had a really good track record working

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Speaker 8: with quarterbacks throughout his career, even if you go back

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Speaker 8: to the collegiate level and there was some between Mac

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Speaker 8: Jones and Bill O'Brien. Is the reason why maybe he

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Speaker 8: hasn't had the level of impact because of the environment

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Speaker 8: that we're talking about, Mike, or is there a bit

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Speaker 8: of a disconnect between the play caller and the young quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Great question, Lance. I don't see a disconnect between Bill

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Speaker 3: O'Brien and Mac. I think there's a good synergy between

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Speaker 3: them and a good chemistry between them. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: if you saw the last game they played in Germany,

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Speaker 3: bill O'Brien was lighting into Mac on the sideline, you know,

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Speaker 3: And I think Mac accepts it that type of coaching,

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Speaker 3: you know, from Bill O'Brien. I think he believes in

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Speaker 3: Bill O'Brien. I truly believe. And I've thought a lot

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Speaker 3: about this because I'm really surprised at the lack of

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Speaker 3: production from the offense, because I really thought it would

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Speaker 3: be better this year with Bill O'Brien. I think it

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Speaker 3: comes back to personnel. I just don't end Look, Mac

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Speaker 3: can play better, Like there's some throws he's made where

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Speaker 3: you scratch your head. I just I don't think they've

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Speaker 3: They've done a great job putting him in the best

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Speaker 3: position to succeed, you know, offensive line issues, skill position players,

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Speaker 3: you know, not ranking highly in the league. I think

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Speaker 3: they've made it harder on him, and I think it's

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Speaker 3: more about the personnel to me lance than the scheme,

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Speaker 3: just based on what I've seen Mike.

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Speaker 8: On the topic of personnel, one other facet of the

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Speaker 8: offense I want to touch on is the run game.

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Speaker 8: They brughnt An Ezekiel Elliott, Ramandre stevens In has had

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Speaker 8: some big play specifically the long touchdown run against Washington

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Speaker 8: and the last two games, it does seem as if

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Speaker 8: the run game has been fairly productive. How fair of

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Speaker 8: a synopsis is that part one and part two? Do

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Speaker 8: you see them maybe in this matchup against the Giants

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Speaker 8: leaning a little bit more on that to try to

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Speaker 8: offset some of the struggles they're having through the air.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what I see, and I think the Giants

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Speaker 3: have shown some vulnerability against the runs, so when you

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Speaker 3: match that up, it would make a lot of sense

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Speaker 3: to me that the Patriot would like to try to

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Speaker 3: get the run game going. It has been better. I

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Speaker 3: think that the challenge as I see it, is the Giants.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna know that, so they're going to I

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Speaker 3: would think they're gonna put more resources to stopping the

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Speaker 3: run and making the Patriots pass the ball, you know,

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Speaker 3: and so I don't you know, something's got to give there.

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Speaker 3: I actually think that's sort of the game within the

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Speaker 3: game lands as I see it, and with Wink Martindale

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Speaker 3: and some of those blitz schemes, you know, if you

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Speaker 3: can force the Patriots and the passing situations based on

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Speaker 3: what we've seen from their pass protection, I think advantage

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Speaker 3: Giants if you can get to that point in the

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Speaker 3: game right where you've put them in those situations.

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Speaker 8: Mike, I'm glad you touched on the game of chess

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Speaker 8: essentially between the defensive coordinators and the young quarterbacks, because,

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Speaker 8: as you well know, Bill Belichick has a ridiculous track

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Speaker 8: record against rookie quarterbacks. And here we go, Tommy DeVito

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Speaker 8: in undrafted rookie small sample size. As you documented off

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Speaker 8: the top, you've been covering the Patriot for a long time.

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Speaker 9: I know, maybe it's stating the obvious.

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Speaker 8: Because Bill Belichick and the Patriots organization have been so crafty,

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Speaker 8: so consistent, But why has he and his staff been

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Speaker 8: so good and consistent, regardless of the personnel against these young,

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Speaker 8: unproven quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: So they're able to spin the dial and show them

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Speaker 3: things that maybe they think they see, but then it's

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Speaker 3: something else. So I think that's a big part of it.

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Speaker 3: I also push back on it a little bit, Lance,

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Speaker 3: Like if I'm the Giants, and you might hear that, right, Oh,

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Speaker 3: Belichick and his history against young quarterbacks, it's got a

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Speaker 3: pretty good history, but the recent history. Just three weeks ago,

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Speaker 3: I'd pull up the tape of Sam Howell throwing for

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Speaker 3: three thirty you know or whatever it was against him, right,

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Speaker 3: And so to me, it's like not inaccurate to say

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Speaker 3: Belichick has a great history against young quarterbacks. But this season,

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Speaker 3: I think it's like wipe the slate clean, Like I

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Speaker 3: think there's a opportunity for young quarterback like de Vito

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Speaker 3: to put up big numbers because I just saw Sam

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Speaker 3: Howell do it. You know, they gave up in that

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Speaker 3: game against Washington, they gave up six pass plays of

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Speaker 3: twenty yards or more. So if I'm the Giants, Lance,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, let me test them, Like there's no Matthew

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Speaker 3: Judon out there on defense. He's injured. There's no Christian Gonzalez,

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Speaker 3: who is the AFC Rookie of the Month or that

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Speaker 3: might have been a NFL defensive Rookie of the Month

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Speaker 3: now that I think of it in September. But he's injured.

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Speaker 3: So they're down some personnel, and I think they've shown

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Speaker 3: a vulnerability at times this season, whether it's been a

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Speaker 3: young quarterback or even an older quarterback.

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Speaker 8: And coincidentally, the Giants are coming off one of their

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Speaker 8: best offensive performances against a Commander's defense that seems to

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Speaker 8: have similar issues. Now, I'm glad you brought up Mike,

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Speaker 8: Matt Judan and Christian Gonzales.

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Speaker 9: It's been about a month and a.

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Speaker 8: Half just about since they've lost both of those players.

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Speaker 8: Now I'm not downgrading them. Matt jud On one of

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Speaker 8: the best pass rushers. As you mentioned Christian Gonzalez, there's

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Speaker 8: a reason why he was taken where he was and

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Speaker 8: seemed to be a promising weapon on the back end.

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Speaker 8: But once again, several weeks have gone by, why have

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Speaker 8: they still struggled on the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 9: And the numbers are not terrible.

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Speaker 8: But I guess track record wise for Bill Belichick's defenses,

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Speaker 8: they are pretty much lower on the barometer in comparison

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Speaker 8: to what we're used to seeing.

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Speaker 3: So I think part of Atlances they haven't been complimented

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Speaker 3: by the offense and special teams. They've been put in

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Speaker 3: some tough spots. I believe time of possession wise, take

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Speaker 3: out this last game. I mean they might be possessing

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Speaker 3: the ball offensively lower than anyone in the league. I

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Speaker 3: might be twenty seven minutes, you know, whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: So I start with that, and then I think a

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Speaker 3: little bit of the big play had heard him at times,

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Speaker 3: you know, given we mentioned that against Washington, and I

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Speaker 3: think cornerback has been has been a problem for them.

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Speaker 3: Gonzales goes out, They trained for J. C. Jackson, they

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Speaker 3: had Jack Jones who they released. I think the coverage

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Speaker 3: hasn't always sunk up with the pass rush, which to

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Speaker 3: me is always the mark of a good defense when

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Speaker 3: you can marry those two together. Sometimes you watch and

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Speaker 3: they're running behind the quarterback, so it gives an escape

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Speaker 3: lane for a quarterback to keep the play alive, right

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Speaker 3: and then force your secondary to cover longer. And then

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Speaker 3: other times you actually see a good pass rush and

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Speaker 3: the coverage isn't tight enough right, and so they just

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Speaker 3: consistently haven't been able to piece it together.

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Speaker 8: Well, your point is, well, taking six interceptions, that's on

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Speaker 8: the low side, third few of sacks in the NFL

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Speaker 8: with eighteen, it's hard to be opportunistic, it's hard to

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Speaker 8: change field position, and a turnover differential MIC of minus six.

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Speaker 8: And that goes back to what we talked about the

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Speaker 8: offense putting the defense in a precarious spot. But with

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Speaker 8: all that being said, looking ahead to this matchup against

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Speaker 8: the Giants, I'm always interested if you're Bill Belichick, what

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Speaker 8: you think he's going to say, Okay, we need to

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Speaker 8: take away because you got a young, unproven quarterback in

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Speaker 8: Tommy DeVito. Much like the Patriots receiving weapons, I would

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Speaker 8: say the Giants receiving weapons have been relatively quiet. Mike,

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Speaker 8: in your mind, is this a Saquon Barkley game? Is

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Speaker 8: this Bill saying, Hey, we put all our resources in

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Speaker 8: Saquon and let's see if Tommy can beat us, or

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Speaker 8: do you see him going in a different direction.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what I would say. You know, Mitt, take

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Speaker 3: the runaway as best as you can. That's one of

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Speaker 3: their best assets and see what the young quarterback can

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Speaker 3: he hang in and make some of the throws, you know,

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Speaker 3: because there might be some opportunities for turnovers. That minus

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Speaker 3: six differential, that's such a great point that you bring up,

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Speaker 3: lands I believe I'd have to double check it, but

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Speaker 3: I believe it's been seventeen straight years that they've finished

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Speaker 3: a season in the plus on the turnover on the

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Speaker 3: turnover differential, so this is so uncharacteristic of them to

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Speaker 3: be in the minus this in the season. So to me,

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Speaker 3: they've been fairly decent against the run, like this last

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Speaker 3: game against the Colts, like Jonathan Taylor, you did have

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Speaker 3: a touchdown run where they lost contain on the edge,

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Speaker 3: But overall, I thought the run defense it's probably been

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Speaker 3: their strength this year outside of a few blips. So

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Speaker 3: to me, that makes a lot of sense to think

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Speaker 3: they'll invest their resources in that area.

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Speaker 8: And they're allowing under one hundred yards per game, which

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Speaker 8: is pretty respectable when you look at the NFL trends.

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Speaker 9: You brought up turnover differential.

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Speaker 8: It's interesting, Mike, because the Giants were in the minus,

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Speaker 8: but they had six takeaways in the last game, So

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Speaker 8: now all of a sudden, they're in the plus. So

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Speaker 8: I mean it could take one game and all of

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Speaker 8: a sudden, it could flip the script. Based on that

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Speaker 8: before I let you go, and I think you brought

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Speaker 8: up a great point because even here in the Giants media,

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Speaker 8: the focus is always on the quarterback, but there are

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Speaker 8: so many other facets that come into play, and you

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Speaker 8: could look at mac Jones on an island, but you

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Speaker 8: could point to other areas of concern. With that being said,

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Speaker 8: I look at the two wins for the Patriots, Mike,

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Speaker 8: and maybe it's not a coincidence that mac Jones did

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Speaker 8: not throw an interception in both of those wins, as

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Speaker 8: I see you responding to that. So moving ahead here

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Speaker 8: to this game, if the Patriots can win the turnover battle,

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Speaker 8: do you think that thors up some of the other

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Speaker 8: issues that have been prevalent that we've been talking about

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Speaker 8: for the most part this season.

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Speaker 3: Normally, Lance, I would bang the table and say absolutely,

658
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Speaker 3: because it used to be a slam dunk win the

659
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Speaker 3: turnover margin and they're gonna win the game. But this year, Washington,

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Speaker 3: and we'll check myself on this. Indianapolis, Oh no, Washington

661
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Speaker 3: and Miami, they or it was first Miami, then Washington.

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Speaker 3: They won the turnover battle but lost the game, And

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Speaker 3: I go back and say, well, well, how did that happen?

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Speaker 3: Why did that happen? They gave up these big plays, right,

665
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Speaker 3: So it's like they fix one problem in those these

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Speaker 3: games where they were plus in the turnover differential, then

667
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Speaker 3: another problem popped up. So it will improve their chances

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Speaker 3: to win if they can be plus in the turnover differential.

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Speaker 3: But based on what I've seen this year, I can't

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Speaker 3: sit here and tell you that's it, you know what

671
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Speaker 3: I mean like that that that'll definitely lead to win

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Speaker 3: because they have shown that they can do that. Even

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Speaker 3: in games where they've turned it over, they've created some turnovers.

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Speaker 3: Hasn't been enough, you know, got to be better in

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Speaker 3: the red zone in those games. Got to not give

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Speaker 3: up big plays in those games sometimes, you know, And

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Speaker 3: they Bill O'Brien keeps saying, comes down to three, four

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Speaker 3: or five plays, and they just haven't made those plays consistently.

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Speaker 8: Mike, is a quick follow up, and I'm gracious of

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Speaker 8: your time and your inside because you got me thinking

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Speaker 8: the Giants and the Patriots. We're talking about the two

682
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Speaker 8: lowest scoring offenses in the NFL, they have both struggled

683
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Speaker 8: to simply score twenty points. I believe the Patriots have

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Speaker 8: only done it once against Buffalo. The Giants have only

685
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Speaker 8: done it twice. What happened in that Bills game they

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Speaker 8: scored twenty nine was the outlier that has not been

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Speaker 8: duplicated since.

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Speaker 3: They came through in the clutch plan. It was a

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Speaker 3: final drive where they're trailing and they had the ball

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Speaker 3: and they had a chance to win the game, and

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Speaker 3: they actually made the plays. They strung the plays together

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Speaker 3: to win it. And it was like, so we've seen

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Speaker 3: like glimpses and flashes of that, but just not consistently enough.

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Speaker 3: But really that game came down to a couple throats

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Speaker 3: that Mac had to make or a couple of blocks,

696
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Speaker 3: you know, and they made them in the critical situation.

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Speaker 3: I thought the defensive scheme aided their ability to do that. Buffalo,

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Speaker 3: to me, plays a little bit of a simpler style

699
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Speaker 3: of defense for down linemen, you know, two safeties back.

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Speaker 3: In general, that's what they sort of saw or they

701
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Speaker 3: felt like they were seeing. So to me, all those

702
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Speaker 3: factors combined sort of contributed to that difference that day.

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Speaker 8: So it comes back to maybe Bill O'Brien had something

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Speaker 8: there in terms of three or four plays which they

705
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Speaker 8: had come to fruition laid. In the game against Buffaloes,

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Speaker 8: the Bills scored late and then the Patriots retook the lead,

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Speaker 8: and who knows, maybe we'll have a dramatic finish. I

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Speaker 8: will tell you this though, no matter who the quarterback is,

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Speaker 8: for the first time since nineteen ninety nine, we're not

710
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Speaker 8: gonna have Tom Brady or Eli Manning under centers. So

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Speaker 8: it's gonna be a new chapter to this Giants Patriots rivalry.

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Speaker 8: As he is Mike Reese, who covers the team for ESPN,

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Speaker 8: their NFL Nation reporter, Mike, it's always great catching up

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Speaker 8: with you. I greatly appreciate the time of the inside

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Speaker 8: and look forward to Sunday's.

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Speaker 3: Game always Lance, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 9: You got it my pleasure.

718
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Speaker 7: You love turf, You're good at it, So you start

719
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Speaker 7: a turf Fizz business grows, your savings grow, become the

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Speaker 7: most celebrated name in turf.

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Speaker 3: Are you ready for all that life brings?

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Speaker 4: Now let's turn to the weekly Conversation as we thank

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Speaker 4: Lance and Mike for that great insight. Bob Papa, the

729
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Speaker 4: Voice of the Giants, every week has a chance to

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Speaker 4: catch up with head coach of the Giants, Brian Dable.

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Speaker 4: Here's their chat leading up to Giants and Patriots, a

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Speaker 4: team that obviously, Brian Dable has a lot of history with.

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Speaker 10: The Giants take on the New England Patriots along with

734
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Speaker 10: the head coach of the New York Giants, Brian Dable.

735
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Speaker 10: I'm Bob Papa and coach. Your team coming off a

736
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Speaker 10: win last week against the Commanders washing the Patriots are

737
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Speaker 10: coming in off of buy from last week. I know

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Speaker 10: that they've struggled, but you've been in that building, you understand.

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Speaker 10: Coach Belichick with a week off, you gotta figure he's

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Speaker 10: been in the labs, so to speak.

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Speaker 5: Can you make.

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Speaker 10: Various changes or a lot of changes after ten games

743
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Speaker 10: of your season to be that different in things that

744
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Speaker 10: you might not expect from them this week?

745
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Speaker 11: I mean you can make some changes, but usually after

746
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Speaker 11: ten weeks you have a good feel for the team

747
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 11: they have for you. But they're a game plan team,

748
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Speaker 11: so what you get one week is really different than

749
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Speaker 11: the next week. And that's really been the case there

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Speaker 11: for a long time. So you have to see how

751
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Speaker 11: the first quarter plays out, see how they want to

752
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Speaker 11: play you, both offensively and defensively, then also.

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Speaker 5: In the kicking game, and make necessary adjustments.

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Speaker 10: One of the things that you know everybody knows is

755
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Speaker 10: he looks to try to eliminate who the best player

756
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Speaker 10: is on the opposing team when it comes to attacking

757
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Speaker 10: an offense. And obviously Saquon Barkley has been absolutely spectacular

758
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Speaker 10: for you this year. When you going into a game

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Speaker 10: sort of like this and you know that this is

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Speaker 10: what he wants to do, it's it's it's too simplistic

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Speaker 10: to say, well, then we're going to just go to

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Speaker 10: a lot of other places. Isn't it sort of a

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Speaker 10: thing where hey, we still got to get our guy

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Speaker 10: the ball and let's see if they can stop him.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, that's you know, I got a lot

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Speaker 11: of respect for for coach Belichick, but that's pretty much

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Speaker 11: every team.

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Speaker 5: We play, they you.

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Speaker 11: Know, pinpoint twenty six as a player, and you know

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Speaker 11: we have to you know, we do a good job

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Speaker 11: of trying to get him the ball in various things.

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Speaker 11: But then if you know you have to use other

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Speaker 11: players and use him as a you know, decoy, so

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Speaker 11: to speak, you do that as well. But you know,

775
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Speaker 11: you're always trying to look for ways to get your

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Speaker 11: players involved that are productive players for you.

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Speaker 10: Can you talk about coaching sort of discipline or or

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Speaker 10: I'm trying to find the right word, but like last week,

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Speaker 10: in the first half of the game, Washington did a

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Speaker 10: good job against your entire run game and especially against Saque,

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Speaker 10: But to to sort of have the courage or the

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Speaker 10: discipline to stick with it, because once you know, he

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Speaker 10: popped one, it just kind of opened everything up. But

784
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Speaker 10: to not get away from it despite not having success

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Speaker 10: with it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think the most important thing is when you're

787
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Speaker 11: on the sideline, you're figuring out, you know, why this

788
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 11: play happened. You know, it could be one player out

789
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Speaker 11: of the ten other players that just you know, whether

790
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Speaker 11: he didn't get his block or we missing a sign,

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Speaker 11: whatever it may be, you figure out why that happened.

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Speaker 11: You know, the run game in this league is is

793
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Speaker 11: never easy. It's it's dirty most of the time. And

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Speaker 11: you know that's something that you know, we value our

795
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Speaker 11: run game and you know, after four or five plays

796
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Speaker 11: sometimes it does as a play caller get hard to say,

797
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Speaker 11: let's let's throw back in there. But that's you know,

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Speaker 11: that's not our mentality. And we got to try to

799
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Speaker 11: do a good job of controlling a line of scrimmage

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Speaker 11: that helps a lot of other things.

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Speaker 5: You know, you mentioned the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 10: Coach, I know it's been a journey this year as

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Speaker 10: far as the offensive line, with a lot of guys

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Speaker 10: getting hurt and all these different combinations, but they kind

805
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 10: of hung together and you know in big spots last

806
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 10: week they made plays for you as far as protection

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Speaker 10: and allowed Tommy Devida to make the passes that they

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Speaker 10: need to make. Can just talk about sort of the

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Speaker 10: mental toughness that they've shown this year despite all of

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Speaker 10: the issues that you've guys had to deal with.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, as you mentioned, there's been a you know, there's

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Speaker 11: been a lot of different guys in there. You know,

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Speaker 11: continuity is tough to come by, but in the last

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Speaker 11: couple of weeks we've we've had the same group. That's

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Speaker 11: a that's a good group in terms of how they prepare.

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Speaker 11: They spend a lot of time here on extra meetings

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Speaker 11: and working together the you know, the offensive line, yet

818
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Speaker 11: need five players more times, you know, six, possibly seven,

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Speaker 11: just all on the same page to operate a successful play.

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Speaker 5: Whether it's a protection or a run game.

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Speaker 11: So a bunch of professionals, some a little bit older,

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Speaker 11: some younger, but they're they're a good group.

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Speaker 10: Coach on this has been an interesting journey here with

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Speaker 10: Tommy DeVito at quarterback. Not not a lot of teams,

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Speaker 10: you know, get down to your third quarterback that's on

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Speaker 10: your roster. But he was able to get a win

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Speaker 10: last week and play a clean, efficient game.

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Speaker 5: Obviously there's a lot of areas for improvement.

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Speaker 10: But as you've worked with him within the building this

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Speaker 10: week and the coaches talk a little bit about sort

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Speaker 10: of the development that you've seen in his game and

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Speaker 10: his mental awareness as well of playing in NFL games.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I'd say, just you know what's important for us

834
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Speaker 11: that dates all the way back to OTA's with our

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Speaker 11: young players. Obviously, in this case, the third string quarterback

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Speaker 11: that ended up being on a practice squad. The you know,

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Speaker 11: the extra meeting times, the ability to you know, keep

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Speaker 11: improving mentally even physically during times during practice where he's

839
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Speaker 11: kind of moved off to the side with another coach.

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Speaker 11: But you know, the development process of young players is

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Speaker 11: important in this league, certainly at that position. So he's

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Speaker 11: he's done a good job. He's been consistent with his approach.

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Speaker 11: I think he's had some good veterans in his room

844
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Speaker 11: to learn from. I think Shay's done a really good

845
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Speaker 11: job with him. And you know, each week is a

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Speaker 11: is a new week for him, and this will be

847
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Speaker 11: a third week starting against a very good defense, and

848
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Speaker 11: he's just going to have to do his job.

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Speaker 10: Let's go to the other side of the ledger here

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Speaker 10: on the defensive side, going against his Patriots offense. You know,

851
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Speaker 10: they've had issues at quarterback and Jones has been benched

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00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 10: and Zappi's come in, and then you know they've they've

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Speaker 10: done a lot of different things. Is there a tremendous

854
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Speaker 10: difference as you've studied them on tape between the two quarterbacks,

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Speaker 10: So there are a lot of similarities that make having

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Speaker 10: to prepare for two quarterbacks, so maybe a little bit

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Speaker 10: more streamlined. Yeah, I think, you know, you look at

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Speaker 10: the tape that's out there available, and I include Will

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Speaker 10: Greer in that as well. You know, he had a

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Speaker 10: couple of games he started a Carolina back in nineteen

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Speaker 10: against the Colts and the Saints. Zap you played a

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Speaker 10: couple of games last year. They ended up winning both

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Speaker 10: of them.

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Speaker 11: And then he also was in the game after Horror

865
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Speaker 11: went out, and then he's in the game this year.

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Speaker 11: You know a few times when when Mack got pulled

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Speaker 11: and Mac. There's a ton of tape on them. So

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Speaker 11: you look at the you look at their physical skill

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Speaker 11: set and things they do well and plays necessarily routes

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Speaker 11: that they like to throw. But again when it goes

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Speaker 11: back to the offensive scheme of things, they're a game

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Speaker 11: plan offense. So again, each week it changes a little bit.

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Speaker 11: Nothing's consistent. It says not a team that says we're

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Speaker 11: just going to do what we do and plug pieces in.

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Speaker 11: They're going to try to, you know, game plan the

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Speaker 11: things they need to do to be successful for that game.

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Speaker 5: So that's that's always important when you play this team.

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Speaker 10: Stevenson has the lead in as far as carries are concerned.

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Speaker 10: He ripped off a sixty four yard or a couple

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Speaker 10: of weeks ago, and it looks like Elliott has gotten

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Speaker 10: a little bit more involved. When you look at their

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Speaker 10: run game, what are some of the things that will

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Speaker 10: be a challenge for you guys defensively?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, they're they're good at double teaming up front, and

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Speaker 11: their backs are good at reading off those double teams,

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Speaker 11: getting the ball downhill into the defensive, into the teeth

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Speaker 11: of the defense.

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Speaker 5: And they're hard to tackle.

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Speaker 11: You know, they're bigger backs, but they got some speed

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Speaker 11: and they're tough. They run really well. They're not looking

891
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Speaker 11: to you know, get away from contact, and then they

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Speaker 11: do a good job of giving you some stuff on

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Speaker 11: the outside, whether that's you know, perimeter toss, cracks, chat sweeps,

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Speaker 11: include the screen game in there as well. They're a

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Speaker 11: big screen team, so they use you know, the backs

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Speaker 11: a variety of ways. And you know, Zeke is obviously,

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Speaker 11: you know, well respected in this league, been very very successful,

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Speaker 11: and Stevenson is a heck of a good young back.

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Speaker 5: So they use them in a ride aways.

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Speaker 11: I'd say downhill runs, double teams, toss cracks and screens

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Speaker 11: are our three of the main ways they use them.

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Speaker 10: And final question, coach, you spent a long time within

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Speaker 10: that organization and you kind of cut your teeth as

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Speaker 10: a young coach with the New England Patrins under Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 10: Just share with our audience what that experience was like

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Speaker 10: for you and and you know your your remembrances of

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Speaker 10: being there as a young guy and and and getting

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Speaker 10: your opportunity.

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Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, very grateful for.

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Speaker 11: The opportunity that Bill gave me and really got to

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Speaker 11: learn you know, football, NFL football in that organization from

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Speaker 11: Coach Belichick, From Dante Scarnecia, Charlie Weiss, Ivan Fears, Romeo Cornell,

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Speaker 11: Eric Mangini, Rob Ryan brad Seely, just a you know,

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Speaker 11: a very veteran group of coaches head by up by

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Speaker 11: by Coach Belichick, and it was really invaluable for for

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Speaker 11: me as a young coach.

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Speaker 5: I was just getting it out.

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Speaker 4: Coach.

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Speaker 10: We want to wish you the best of luck. I

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00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 10: know it's been a grind with you know, the tough

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Speaker 10: schedule and the travel and everything else and the by

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Speaker 10: coming as late as it's come. But I know you

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Speaker 10: want to get get to that buye with a victory

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Speaker 10: under your belt and pick up get another one. We

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Speaker 10: wish you the best of luck on Sunday, and you

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Speaker 10: know we'll do it again in two weeks when the

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Speaker 10: Packs come to town.

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Speaker 2: Everybody