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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I am excited about

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Speaker 1: today because you all know that I talk about my

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Speaker 1: my faith journey on the podcast and how my faith

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Speaker 1: has grown over time. And so I'm excited today because

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Speaker 1: we get to talk to Alex Jones, who is the

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Speaker 1: CEO and co founder of Hallo. You may have heard

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Speaker 1: of it. It is a Christian prayer and meditation app.

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Speaker 1: I've seen a bunch of ads for it. I've seen

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Speaker 1: all kinds of different people talking about it, and I

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Speaker 1: the midst of this time where we are talking about

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Speaker 1: prayer and meditation, we are also still recovering from these

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Speaker 1: horrible attacks over in Israel and obviously consistently seeing more

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Speaker 1: attacks over in Israel. It's been six months since the

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Speaker 1: brutal attack by Hamas on our brothers and sisters in Israel,

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Speaker 1: and since then the attacks have increased, with Iran and

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Speaker 1: its proxies launching an attack of hundreds of drones and miss.

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Speaker 1: The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is on the

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Speaker 1: ground now and addressing all of the urgent needs, and

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Speaker 1: that's why I'm actually partnering with IFCJ today. You guys

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Speaker 1: can help because your life saving donation can help provide

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Speaker 1: security needs like placing bomb shelters and communities in Israel

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Speaker 1: that need it the most. And when that siren goes off,

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Speaker 1: you guys can't even understand this. People have fifteen seconds

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Speaker 1: or less to get to safety. IFCJ has helped renovate

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Speaker 1: and insallt nearly three thousand bomb shelters to date. This

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Speaker 1: is so important as Israel and her people live with

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Speaker 1: the harsh reality of terror every day. Your support will

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Speaker 1: help address emergency security needs such as food and utility,

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Speaker 1: equipment for bomb shelters, flack jackets, and other essentials for

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Speaker 1: the people of Israel. We're asking our listeners to give

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Speaker 1: fifty dollars or any amount to help provide life saving aid.

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Speaker 1: You guys, really, if you can do this, think about

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Speaker 1: how much you're helping one of these families desperately needs it.

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Speaker 1: All you have to do is visit support IFCJ dot org.

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Speaker 1: That's one word. Go to support IFCJ dot org and

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Speaker 1: give whatever you can to make sure you help our

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Speaker 1: brothers and sisters over in Israel. And now I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about prayer because I think that's the perfect

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Speaker 1: this chaos to bring in Alex, Alex, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining me today.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me absolutely so.

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Speaker 1: I was reading your story and I sort of love

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Speaker 1: your story because I think it's the story of so

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Speaker 1: many people right now, especially where you grew up Catholic

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Speaker 1: So to walk us through.

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Speaker 2: That a little bit, yeah, I meant you gave a

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Speaker 2: pretty good recap there, But yeah, so I grew up religious.

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Speaker 2: My saint of a mother dragged me to church every

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Speaker 2: Would have considered myself agnostic or atheist for most of

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Speaker 2: personal guide. It was almost technology without technology, like you'd

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Speaker 2: But yeah, like you said, every time I would meditate,

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Speaker 2: So Hallo means to make holy. So I was like, well,

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Speaker 2: and we've just been just blown away by what God

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Speaker 2: Glory to God is just a it's been a but

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Speaker 2: really for us, the really cool part is we just

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Speaker 2: We have people who haven't been to church in thirty

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Speaker 1: I think just your story, though, in general, is also

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the beauty of the Bible always

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Speaker 1: that sounds like your story. How many people have said

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it all the time from you know,

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Speaker 2: But it speaks to the fact of what what God

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Speaker 2: so just that trust of God's got us and pursuing

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Speaker 2: us all relentlessly is something that you know, just surrendering

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Speaker 1: to God. So let me ask you. You talked about

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Speaker 2: the next week, I would have committed suicide. I would

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Speaker 2: have killed myself had it not been for the grace

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Speaker 2: that God gave me through this app I was broken

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Speaker 2: into a million pieces, and I felt like everything everyone

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Speaker 2: I loved had left me, everything I cared about was gone.

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Speaker 2: But I realized that Christ was still there with me,

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Speaker 2: and he scooped me up and put me back together again.

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Speaker 2: And my life is my life, is my family's back together.

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Speaker 2: All this stuff, I mean, all this joy and glory

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Speaker 2: came of this suffering. Through this suffering, she was able

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Speaker 2: to find Christ. And there's just such a you know,

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Speaker 2: it's certainly not a solve for everything. You'd certainly exercise

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Speaker 2: is still super important, and mental health is still you know,

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Speaker 2: a many multifaceted problem that many folks need professional help with.

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Speaker 2: But there's just something about living a life of prayer

448
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Speaker 2: that's just the foundation of everything that makes life a lot.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like real peace, it's real rest. Christ

450
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Speaker 2: tells you it's you're going to have a cross, you're

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Speaker 2: going to let down your worries and you're going to

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Speaker 2: take up mind. But it's going to be easy, it's

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Speaker 2: going to be light, and you're going to find real rest,

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Speaker 2: like real peace, not like hey, I'm going to go

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Speaker 2: watch a Netflix thing at the end of the day

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Speaker 2: to de stress. It's like, no, I'm going to give

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Speaker 2: you real lasting peace that calms your mind and that

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Speaker 2: gives you. In this world that we live in, which

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Speaker 2: is just so crazy and so stressful and so angering

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Speaker 2: and so frustrating and so anxious, it's like, I think

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Speaker 2: this hung I think we all hunger for this real

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Speaker 2: sense of peace.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's interesting because we're in a world

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Speaker 1: where people are saying, you know, everybody's getting away from faith,

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Speaker 1: and young people are not focused on faith, and yet

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Speaker 1: here's an app that reaches number one in the App Store,

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Speaker 1: first religious app to reach number one in the App Store.

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Speaker 1: What is that like?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for us, it's I mean if I

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Speaker 2: looked outside right now and I saw a thousand people

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Speaker 2: praying with this app all together, I'd be like, Wow,

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Speaker 2: that's an incredible number of people praying like that. That's

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Speaker 2: way more than I ever could have imagined. We built it.

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Speaker 2: I built it just for me. So this is fun.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it just it's all just a blast. And

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Speaker 2: to get to pray with a thousand people, that's incredible.

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Speaker 2: That's a huge church. That's awesome. Ten thousand people is wow,

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Speaker 2: that's a massive crowd of people. Fifty thousand people, one

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand people. I have no I couldn't possibly I've

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Speaker 2: I couldn't even see that far. And so a million people,

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Speaker 2: ten million people, twenty million people. It's just God is

482
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Speaker 2: just God changing people's lives in a way way beyond

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Speaker 2: what we could ever have imagined. And it was fun

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Speaker 2: that the number one thing was a blast because Temu,

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Speaker 2: one of the Chinese social media apps or whatever, was

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Speaker 2: number one for a while and they ran like six

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl commercials. I think they ran exactly six Super

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl commercials and spend a billion and a half

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Speaker 2: dollars a year on Facebook advertising, and so for us

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Speaker 2: to be able to like jump up to the number

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Speaker 2: one spot was just awesome. I mean, it just speaks

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Speaker 2: to the glory of I think every app in the

493
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Speaker 2: top ten had ten thousand plus employees, and we have,

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Speaker 2: you know, eighty or so folks working on this thing,

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Speaker 2: and so it was just this sound it was just

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Speaker 2: this awesome. But for us still it's you know, I

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Speaker 2: keep coming back to these But funnily, the you know,

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Speaker 2: in the earliest so we just started hallowing like twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 2: and at the end of twenty eighteen we launched it,

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Speaker 2: and we weren't sure if we were going to do

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Speaker 2: this for real, but we wanted it for ourselves and

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Speaker 2: we thought it was helpful and so we might as

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Speaker 2: well try to help ourselves get into heaven a little

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Speaker 2: bit better. And we had some friends and family download

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Speaker 2: it and try it, and we had you know, there

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Speaker 2: was this the story that still sticks in my mind

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Speaker 2: to this day. My aunt had just lost her son,

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Speaker 2: who my cousin, who was forty five years old or

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Speaker 2: so forty two I think, and he his heartbreaking, went

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Speaker 2: to the hospital, said he had chest pains. They said,

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Speaker 2: you're fine, checked him out. He went home and died

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Speaker 2: that night in a sleep. He had just gotten married

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Speaker 2: and his wife had just gotten pregnant. And so like

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Speaker 2: my aunt, my godmother was heartbroken, just like absolutely devastated obviously,

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Speaker 2: and I couldn't get out of bed, couldn't eat, and

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Speaker 2: our hope. We have this big family, a bunch of cousins,

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Speaker 2: bunch of uncles, we were all just really worried about her,

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Speaker 2: and we're really focused on like, okay, well, what can

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Speaker 2: we do to try to get her to eat or

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Speaker 2: try to help her in some way. And we launched

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Speaker 2: this app. I had no idea she downloaded it, but

522
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Speaker 2: she did, and you know, of like a couple dozen people,

523
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Speaker 2: and she started praying with it, and it just had

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Speaker 2: a few sessions on it just about it was the

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Speaker 2: season leading up to Christmas, and so it was just

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Speaker 2: about hope and peace and love and just written generically.

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Speaker 2: And she sent us this email two weeks after we launched,

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Speaker 2: and she just said, Hey, I just wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know I didn't think I'd be able to make

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Speaker 2: it through my first Christmas without my son. It's always

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Speaker 2: a time of stress and anxiety trying to figure out

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Speaker 2: gifts and visiting people and all that stuff, but like

533
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Speaker 2: to do it without my son for the first for

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Speaker 2: the first year, I didn't think I'd be able to

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Speaker 2: make it through it. And I just wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know that this app has reminded me that the

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Speaker 2: little meditations on this app have reminded me that I'm

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Speaker 2: able to have hope still even in this time of

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Speaker 2: even in the worst time in my life, I'm able

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Speaker 2: to have hope still. And I just like I just

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Speaker 2: like broke down on the floor bawling tears, and I

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Speaker 2: remember I looked at my co founder and I was

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Speaker 2: just like, if we do nothing else, if in our

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Speaker 2: whole life, if we've worked for the next fifty years,

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Speaker 2: if we spend everything anybody, if we spend everybody at

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Speaker 2: everything we have, we ruin our reputations, everybody hates us.

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Speaker 2: But we got this one note from it like that, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would do that again a hundred times over. I

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Speaker 2: do that again. And we get those notes all the

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Speaker 2: time now of people who have lost kids, of people

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Speaker 2: who are dealing with like really dark, really tough stuff,

552
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Speaker 2: and who are really lost, and to be able to

553
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Speaker 2: see what God can do in their lives, how He

554
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Speaker 2: can reach out to us, especially the most those of

555
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Speaker 2: us who are most lost, and we're all a little

556
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Speaker 2: bit lost. We can all grow closer to God, but

557
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Speaker 2: especially the folks who are in the toughest places and

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Speaker 2: give them His peace. I mean it's like, yeah, so

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Speaker 2: in terms of like whether it's ten million or twenty million,

560
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Speaker 2: if we can get one more of those notes in

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Speaker 2: the next you know, we just got one today about

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Speaker 2: some incredible miracle that God worked in people's lives. But

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Speaker 2: if we can just keep helping God reach out to

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Speaker 2: the folks who are lost, it's it's that's really what

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Speaker 2: we're focused on.

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Speaker 1: That is so amazing. Boy, God is faithful, isn't he?

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Speaker 1: When you serve him? He is faithful to his servants.

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Speaker 2: He is good. He is good all the time.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For folks that want to check

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Speaker 1: this out, is it something you have to pay for?

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Speaker 1: How does it work?

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Speaker 2: So it's an app if you have a smartphone or

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Speaker 2: an iPad or a computer, but the easiest is on

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Speaker 2: your phone. You go to the app store, you type

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Speaker 2: in hallow h llow like hello would be that name,

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Speaker 2: and then just downloaded it's the Purple one and you

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Speaker 2: can download it for free. We have a ton of

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Speaker 2: thousands of free sessions that you can try for free forever.

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Speaker 2: No credit card acquired, don't trial anything. The way that

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Speaker 2: we support ourselves is through a subscription. If you like

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Speaker 2: it and want to give it a try, it unlocks

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Speaker 2: additional content and it comes with a free trial so

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Speaker 2: you can see if it's worth it for a bit

585
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Speaker 2: and cancel if it's not and don't get charged anything.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, you just choose a session, choose a length,

587
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Speaker 2: close your eyes, and press play. But yeah, that's how

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Speaker 2: jllow on any app store.

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Speaker 1: I love that so much. I have a daughter who

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Speaker 1: is very driven by faith, and it's funny to me

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Speaker 1: because I believe that this is all linked back to

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Speaker 1: prayer early in her life, because like you said, I

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Speaker 1: know it's not me, and I know it's something greater

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Speaker 1: than me, but and I don't know what her future is.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like one of those things whereas they're

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Speaker 1: growing and you see them changing and growing, You're like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how this is happening, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know where this is going, but I know when. And

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Speaker 1: I think I've shared this story before. When she was

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Speaker 1: five years old, she was a thumbsucker and it was

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Speaker 1: very hard for her to stop, and she wanted to stop,

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Speaker 1: and we had had all kinds of conversations about it,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, or can you just have to

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Speaker 1: give this up? And she I will never forget, she said.

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Speaker 1: I said to her, why don't we pray about it?

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Speaker 1: And she said, okay, let's do that. And this had

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Speaker 1: been months of trying to get her to stop, maybe

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Speaker 1: even a year. And so we sat down, we prayed together,

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Speaker 1: and she said she felt that the need to put

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Speaker 1: her blanket away that night because it was kind of

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Speaker 1: like a thing she did. She held the blanket, she

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Speaker 1: sucked her thumb. She put the blanket away that night.

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Speaker 1: The next night brought the blanket back out, never sucked

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Speaker 1: her thumb again. And I feel like that knowledge of

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Speaker 1: like you ask and he is faithful and he gives

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Speaker 1: to you, and she is just such a faithful kid.

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Speaker 1: The other day, she said they were going over to

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Speaker 1: a friend's house and then girls were all like, what

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Speaker 1: do you want to do? We have the day off school,

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Speaker 1: what do you want to do? And she said, why

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Speaker 1: don't we have a Bible study together? And of course

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Speaker 1: all of the other freshman girls were like no, because

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Speaker 1: they got to Christian school. But I'm like, there's something

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Speaker 1: about this little girl that I look at her. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you are so much more impressive than anyone I know.

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Speaker 1: But it's just so fun to see her. And that's

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Speaker 1: why I when I talk about when I think about

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Speaker 1: your app and hear you talking, I'm like that security

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Speaker 1: and foundation that she has, I and that you found again.

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Speaker 1: I just I understand you're wanting to share this because

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Speaker 1: it's amazing, So thank you for what you do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, kids are such a I mean, kids just have

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Speaker 2: a special I mean a lot of people said, a

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Speaker 2: lot of theologians or pastors or saints or whatever said,

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Speaker 2: I mean, kids are just so much closer to the

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Speaker 2: spiritual life than I think we are. I mean, I have,

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Speaker 2: like a I have a three year old and a

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Speaker 2: two year old and so and they're just you know,

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00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: they just like hear the voice of Jesus regularly. They're

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Speaker 2: just like, oh, I just heard Jesus, and it's just

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Speaker 2: it's just so cool. But I think what it speaks

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Speaker 2: to is, you know a lot of people fall away

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Speaker 2: from their faith, and especially people who like go to

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Speaker 2: church as part of you know, it's because it's what

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Speaker 2: people do. We go to church. That's the that's the routine,

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Speaker 2: you go to church. But so the question is like, well,

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Speaker 2: what what what's the strongest way to keep people in

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Speaker 2: a life long in a lifelong relationship with the church,

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Speaker 2: And it's a personal relationship with God. I mean, there's

650
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Speaker 2: just nothing through spirituality, through prayer, that's how we have

651
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Speaker 2: a relationship with God. But if you have a relationship

652
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Speaker 2: with God, then there's just nothing. I mean, the chances

653
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: of you sticking with that are just so much higher then, like, oh,

654
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Speaker 2: I was convinced by some argument or I agreed with

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Speaker 2: some political thing or whatever it is. It's no, this

656
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: is you know, for me, this is as real as

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Speaker 2: my relationship with my wife. It's as real with as

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Speaker 2: my relationship with my mom and my dad. It's the

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Speaker 2: person I talk to every day who I love deeply

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Speaker 2: with my whole heart. And it's like that's never gonna

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00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: that's never going to change. I'm going to love this

662
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Speaker 2: guy forever, and I'm never going to not think he's there.

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Speaker 2: He's of course he's there. It's as real to me

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Speaker 2: as as my wife is. But the kids thing for

665
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Speaker 2: us is a real blessing. We had some we had

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Speaker 2: somebody send us a note that they were praying with

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Speaker 2: the app there. I think it was a seven year

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Speaker 2: old or so, and she had seen something on the

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Speaker 2: news about the Chinese. This was like a year and

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Speaker 2: a half ago, maybe ad the Chinese by balloon or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I think that was a year ago, and she had

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Speaker 2: no idea what it was but she said she was

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Speaker 2: really stressed and so she couldn't fall asleep because she

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Speaker 2: was worried about the Chinese by balloon and this seven

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Speaker 2: year old, which just speaks to like the stress that

676
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Speaker 2: our life is, just our world is. But she's like,

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Speaker 2: I'm just so worried about this Chinese bi balloon. What

678
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Speaker 2: are we going to do? What are we going to do?

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Speaker 2: And the mom was like, it's okay, let's just do

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Speaker 2: a let's do a Halo session. And so they did

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Speaker 2: a Halo session and it happened to be a session

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Speaker 2: we wrote like five years ago, and it was a

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Speaker 2: meditation about let all of your worries and stresses imagine them,

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Speaker 2: and imagine them filling a balloon, filled the balloon all up,

685
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Speaker 2: and then let the balloon go and let it rise

686
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Speaker 2: up to God and let him, let him catch the

687
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Speaker 2: balloon in heaven and let it go and let it

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Speaker 2: float into God's hands. And their daughter was just so

689
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: just total random luck that that well it was God obviously,

690
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: but just totally yeah, coincidence that that was the session

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Speaker 2: that they picked. And she just looks at her mom

692
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: and she just goes, Jesus hurt me. He knew he

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Speaker 2: was he knew I was dressed about the balloon and

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Speaker 2: He's here and I let it go and it was

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Speaker 2: just such a beautiful But like, kids are just so yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's such a great example to us of what like

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Speaker 2: real spiritual life is supposed to be and what real

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Speaker 2: love is supposed to be. And especially when they have

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Speaker 2: the blessing of being able to have a personal relationship

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Speaker 2: with God, it's just an honor to get to journey

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Speaker 2: alongside him.

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Speaker 1: It is true. Kids have this weird like there are.

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Speaker 1: You can't really have these discussions with them of like

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Speaker 1: what exactly is happening in your mind right now? But

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Speaker 1: you see things. I remember one night putting my daughter

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Speaker 1: to bed and she looked over and was clearly looking

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Speaker 1: at an empty spot in the room, and she said, oh,

708
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Speaker 1: Jesus is here, and then she fell asleep. I was

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Speaker 1: like what what. I like, wait a minute, let's go

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Speaker 1: back to that. You know, but what did she see?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. But their believers and they have a relationship.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, this is a relationship for them.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't have that blessing growing up. That wasn't

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Speaker 1: exactly my upbringing. And it's obviously my faith journey has changed.

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Speaker 1: But I will never forget when I first started getting

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00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: into Bible study, a family saying they had a tragedy.

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Speaker 1: They were on the beach, one of the kids went under.

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Speaker 1: The coastguard found the baby's body, brought it up. They

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Speaker 1: started fell immediately to prayer, and the coast guard afterwards said,

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Speaker 1: people who drowned don't float, You don't just find them.

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Speaker 1: We don't know how this happened. Like the minute they

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Speaker 1: knew he was missing, they started immediately in prayer and

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Speaker 1: the baby was revived fine and still to this day

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Speaker 1: no issues from that. And I remember at the time thinking,

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Speaker 1: what is it like to have a tragedy and go

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Speaker 1: immediately to prayer. But once you have that relationship, it's

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Speaker 1: exactly like what you said, It's like going to your spouse.

728
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Speaker 1: It's so natural, like Jesus helped me. You've got this,

729
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Speaker 1: I don't. And so I think that's beautiful that you

730
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Speaker 1: are leading people into that. And I've grown in that

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Speaker 1: over my lifetime, and I just think that anybody who's listening,

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Speaker 1: if you are at that place where you're like, what

733
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Speaker 1: is missing in my life, it's probably this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, God, God is pretty much the whole thing. So

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Speaker 2: the whole point of life is a relationship with God.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean prayer is so cool because it's

737
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Speaker 2: and so beautiful because it can have such it's not

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Speaker 2: just you know, people often reduce it down to like

739
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Speaker 2: secular meditation or like going for a run? What does

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Speaker 2: this do for me? And it's like, well, does it

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Speaker 2: make me a little bit happier, does it make me

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Speaker 2: live longer, does it make me, you know, more resilient

743
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Speaker 2: to sickness or what scientific which it does a lot

744
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: of those things, which is really cool. And it's funny

745
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: because the secular world then keeps trying to pick away

746
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Speaker 2: pieces of prayer and make them their own trend. It's like, oh, gratitude,

747
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: you have to have a gratitude practice, and it's like, okay, yeah,

748
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: that's that's like a morning prayer. And it's like you

749
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Speaker 2: have to reflect on your day at the end of

750
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Speaker 2: the day, and it's like okay, yeah, that's a night prayer.

751
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: And it's like and you have to have something bigger

752
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: than yourself and it's like yeah, like God, but it's

753
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: not about and it can do really cool things. Is

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Speaker 2: the cool part. It's much bigger than just this like

755
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: mental health effect, which it is, but it's much bigger

756
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: than that. It's real, so it can change reality. So

757
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: you can pray. We have like dozens and dozens hundreds

758
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Speaker 2: of these miracle stories where doctors say this person is dead,

759
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: this person is dead, there is there's no way that

760
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: this person comes back, or this person has a disease

761
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 2: that is so far gone. There has not been a

762
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Speaker 2: person who has survived this and then through some miracle

763
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Speaker 2: of prayer, they survive and it's this miraculous thing. But

764
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Speaker 2: it's the really interesting part about prayer. And I get

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Speaker 2: this question a lot, is like, well, what does this

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Speaker 2: do for me? It's like, yeah, that's an interesting question.

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Speaker 2: But the more interesting question is the point of prayer

768
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Speaker 2: is not what does it do for you? The point

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Speaker 2: of the prayer is what can you do for God?

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Speaker 2: Like what are you supposed to be doing for God?

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Speaker 2: And sometimes that's really terrible sof and sometimes that God

772
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: that is God giving you incredible gifts, but it's how

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Speaker 2: can I let God take over my whole life? Like

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Speaker 2: how can I surrender my whole heart so that it's

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Speaker 2: no longer mine? And it's God's just like Saint Paul says,

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Speaker 2: and that, to me is the really cool part of prayer.

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Speaker 2: It comes without like seek first the Kingdom of God

778
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: and then yeah, you'll get all this joy and this

779
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: peace and this happiness and all this stuff. But the

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Speaker 2: point is how can I give my whole life to God?

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Speaker 2: And then the question of like, well can I fit

782
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: in a ten minute prayer is such a funny question

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Speaker 2: in the course of my day because it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: my whole day is supposed to be God's, so of

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Speaker 2: course I can give them ten minutes.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. It's been such a

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Speaker 1: joy talking to you and hearing about the app, and

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Speaker 1: I encourage anybody out there to go download that today

789
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Speaker 1: and get into those prayer sessions because it really is

790
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,479
Speaker 1: so valuable because you will become the hands and feet

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Speaker 1: and that's what we're supposed to be. So Alex Jones,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 2: Glory to God. It was an honor to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me absolutely, and thank you all for

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Speaker 1: joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode

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Speaker 1: and others, go to Tutor disonpodcast dot com. You can

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and join

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Speaker 1: us next time. Have a blessed day,