WEBVTT - Tom Higgenson from Plain White T’s Stops By 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:05.720 What's up, everybody? What's up Batchel Nation? Welcome back to 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:08.520 another great episode that Becca and I have in store 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.520 for you today. Becca, we have so much to discuss, 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:13.680 per usual, I feel like we're always starting the show 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:16.360 off like that because it's the honest to god truth. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:18.159 We have so much to talk about. Of course, we 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.320 have an amazing guest that our listeners can look forward to, 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:24.000 and we really just hope you guys tuned in last 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:25.720 night to listen to your heart because that is the 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.800 new season that we are stepping into. We're discussing all 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:32.840 things with the show, the contestants, the drama, the love, 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:37.200 the excitement. I mean, if you didn't watch it last night, 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.160 I honestly have no idea what it is that you're doing. 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:44.479 Be honest, you've watched everything else. This is a new show. 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.560 It's here, it's exciting, we're all home. You have nothing 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.919 else to do. Stop trying to be all hard about it, 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.800 like I'm not going to watch another Bachelor show because 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:55.720 we know you want to, We're doing it. I have 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.640 been so excited for this premiere because I kept saying 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.600 I feel like Nation as a whole just needed something 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:03.480 else to bring us together. You know, we don't have 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.679 any other shows really to bond everyone at this moment. 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.360 So if you didn't catch the two hour premiere plays, 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.440 go back and watch it because it really has so 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.440 many fun pieces. Of course, just like your typical Batch 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:17.080 for Batch or at fashion, you have the love, you 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.880 have the drama, you also have some music, and of 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.760 course our favorite Chris Harrison, so you really get it 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.280 all within listen to your heart. And I can't wait 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:27.360 to see where the season goes because we saw a 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.600 Waco down in that two hour premiere, one of my 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:32.440 favorite things, and I can't wait to break it down 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:36.200 because we have a very very special guest coming. I 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.800 don't know about you, Rachel, but high School Becca was 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.160 fan girling a little bit when we saw I'm just 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.520 gonna give it away because we saw Tom Higginson from 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.520 The Plain White Teas and everyone out there, you have 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.640 been living under a rock if you don't know, Hey there, Delilah. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.600 That is their hit. So we saw him perform on 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.120 the show. We'll have him on our podcasts a little 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.720 bit later. But I just can't wait to break it down, 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.840 dig deep into this new show that hopefully, like I said, 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.840 we'll bring everyone together. Becca, I feel like you aged 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:10.440 me a bit because you said high school and I'm like, actually, Becca, 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:14.400 for me, it was college college Rachel. I was obsessed 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.840 with Hey there, Delilah. I don't even want to get 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.480 into it because I'm going to talk about it with 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.440 our guest coming up. But I'm excited to hear what 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.400 went down on that date and all the details because 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.320 I feel like we didn't really get to see too 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:29.160 much of it, which I don't know if it's telling, 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.080 So hopefully Tom can give us some inside scoop. But 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.440 before we jump to Mel and Matt's backyard concert, let's 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.680 go ahead and get started talking about all the amazing 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:41.560 contestants we got to meet from last night. Okay, Becca, 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.280 I don't know about you, but we really didn't know. 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.080 We said this before, but we didn't know what to 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:48.200 expect with Listen to Your Heart. We knew we were 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.320 getting Chris Harrison. We knew these there were men and 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.880 women living together. We know it's this Bachelor Pad times, 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:57.960 Bachelor Times, American Idol type show, so we knew we 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.160 were getting a hybrid. But is it just me or 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:04.520 were you shocked that they had packages like we did 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.760 on Bachelor and Bachelorette. I kind of was, But I 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.400 like it because it gives us a way to get 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.480 to know all the contestants a little bit more. I mean, 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.600 of course, we had talked to Trevor and very last week, 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.000 so we knew what to expect with them, but there's 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:22.640 so much more of these people that we're seeing. And 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.399 I like it too because it still gives you that 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.919 the first night of like the Bachelor the bacheloride. Obviously 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.440 they didn't pull up in limos, but it still has 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.280 that feel. But I like it because I just feel 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:38.880 like there's so much more of a variety. And I mean, 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.960 I just love It's different from Paradise because when people 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.800 come into Paradise, you already know them. So these people 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:46.920 are all new, they're all fresh. You have no idea 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.240 what to expect, how they're going to mesh together. And 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.200 so it was kind of funny watching them all walk 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.840 in and you saw more of some of the people 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:55.760 and less of some of the people. But like even 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:57.600 the little comments that some of the guys were making 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.440 them like wait when did you come in? Like where 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.760 did you pop about? Of so I can't wait to 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.520 get in more. But Let's let's get into some of 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.120 the people that we did meet. So obviously we spoke 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:11.360 with Trevor and Bree last week. Trevor is the one 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.760 who says he's never dated a musician, but he also 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:17.240 wants to live on the tour bus. And now he's 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.920 the one who maybe America has seen before on American Idol, Right, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.440 so I feel like he comes in with a little 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:27.479 bit of an edge. He's done Reality TV. That Reality 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.640 TV show was a singing show. So a part of 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:32.839 me is like, Okay, maybe Trevor might know a little 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.920 bit of what he's doing, what's going on here. He's 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.840 more of the experienced one. But then he seems so 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:40.680 I mean, obviously we talked to him, so we got 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:42.040 to know him a little bit better, but even just 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:46.480 from his package, he seems very humble, down to earth, 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.360 you know. Dare I say it, Becca here for the 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:56.680 right reasons, I would agree. He also seems and you 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.479 say it, like, you know, he should have some experience 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.520 in the TV world, but he kind of seems a 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:05.800 little bashville like, more more timid, which I kind of 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.599 find endearing. Yeah, and maybe his experience for American Idol 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:14.919 did it he's twenty nine, I believe, so maybe age 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.920 as well. He just doesn't seem to be caught up 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:19.760 in the fact that he's on a TV show, just 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.520 he's there with a purpose. Same with Brie. We talked 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.239 to Brie. Brie comes from a big family, She's from Provo. 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.119 We know that she was recently engaged called it off 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.360 a year and a half ago, so I feel like 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:37.560 she's She's very open to the experience and what it 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.800 could be about, but is definitely I felt like she 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.240 wants to find love as well. I think for those 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:47.920 first two they seem mature. They I feel like they 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.880 are going into it kind of knowing what they're looking 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.880 for in a partner they have. From what I'm seeing, 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.039 they seem like they have a good head on their shoulders. 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.159 I do want to get into And I know we 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.960 didn't see an intro package for Jamie, but she was 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:06.320 the first one to come to the mansion and Jamie 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.200 fresh out of the what do they pull up in 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.840 and Suv. I was gonna say, Minivan that that's not right, 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.560 but she was just like so full of life and 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:21.760 like Spunky and I have a list of notes, and 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.560 she just seemed kind of quirky and fun. But she 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.120 kept saying the first night like I don't want drama. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.080 I don't want drama. And what's going through my mind 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.960 is like, girl, you sign up for a reality TV show, 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.880 you're gonna get that drama which we see go down later, 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:39.520 which we will of course get into. But just from 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.719 the intro packages is I want to ask you this 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.080 because I have one of my favorites of who we saw, 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.679 and I want to know who yours was, too. Um Okay, 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:49.400 I'll tell you my favorite. First was going to say 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.520 about Jamie. Two things I noticed about Jamie She's I 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:57.960 agree with everything that you said. Also, she is clearly 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.880 a fan of the Bachelor. I just felt like she 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:05.720 knew she's good TV. She's she's fun to watch, she's 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.440 very into it, she's exciting. But I also was like 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.680 she's a fan of the Bachelor's. She was just her 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.960 excitement level was on another level. She was just happy 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.920 to be there. You know. But m Jamie might be 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.080 one of my favorites, But are you talking about my 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.880 favorites from all twenty contestants or from the packages that 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:25.360 we saw. Let's start with packages and then let's do 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:30.520 all twenty contestants too. Oh okay, So honestly, my favorite 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:36.200 from the packages was brief. Okay, I'm really a brief fan. 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.200 I'm a brief fan too, especially after talking to her. 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:44.440 But she just seems like an all her own good person. 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:46.840 But I have to say, and I'm not just saying 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:51.360 this because it's my namesake, but Becca seems like such 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:55.560 a little like I mean, she called herself a theater nerd, 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:59.080 but she just seems so quirky and watching her package 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.720 of like her doing like the little side tap dance 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.120 across and like doing the musical theater. I'm like, I 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.040 like her, and I feel like we didn't see too 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:09.360 much of her the rest of the episode. But uh, 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:12.720 I'm a Becca fan. I'm gonna be honest with you. 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.320 When you said Becca, I had to look down at 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:21.320 my notes to try to think who was Becca? Well, 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.120 and you don't see too much of her in the 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.160 rest of the episode. I was really excited when I 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.080 saw her intro package, and then I think there was 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.320 so much more that took place that they just didn't 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.920 get enough of her because of, you know, all of 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.280 the other little drama that was going down. But but 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.600 I did want to see more of her. I'm gonna 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:41.840 now you've sparked my interest. I feel like I'm gonna 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.199 have to pay attention to her next episode. I really 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.880 like Sheridan because there was no one else like him. Also, 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.200 he lives in Texas. I'm from Texas. He used to 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:53.560 live in Austin. I love that he lives in his 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:56.079 car and he has named his car. I'm a fan 0:08:56.120 --> 0:09:01.160 of naming cars as well. Is car's name Sheila. I 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.040 want to I want to have him on the podcast 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.600 to see how he came up with that name. Yeah. 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.199 I mean, she loves a song, so maybe maybe, but 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.320 it's not it's not his genre of music. It's ready 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.360 but Ready for the world you should listen to. It's like, oh, Sheila, 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.000 it's a very good song. But he stood out to 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:20.840 me he was different, So I was like, okay, like 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.760 he's a different type of character we're gonna get, but 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:29.079 a necessary character for a singing show. Um. I mean 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.000 other packages we saw what no, no, no? What should 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:36.679 take on Savannah? What is your take on so Savannah? 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.160 I okay, let me see what I have. So for 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:45.120 my notes for Savannah, I put she seems sassy and 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:48.920 going in that was polite? Um, what did she say 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.839 that she gets her way with guys though, which I'm like, okay, 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:55.360 but I feel like there's gonna be Um. I don't 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.000 know if there's gonna be some drama down the road 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.840 with her, but I feel like she I cannot hold 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:02.839 her own and keep people in her in their place. 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.880 I just am more like, do you hear yourself talking 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.959 talking about the way men react to you? Do you 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.040 do you hear yourself? I mean, just the level the 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:17.079 lack of self awareness that she has in speaking about 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:21.480 herself and how men are attracted to her and how 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.320 she deals with them and handles them. It was just 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.600 a little too much and it was off putting for me. 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:31.800 So I wasn't as into Savannah Brandon. Let me let 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.080 me take weight, like, let me make sure I'm looking 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.839 at the right guy for Brandon. Where is he? Why? 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:44.040 Okay Brandon? He was yeah, match on the same level person, Brandon. 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.360 I kept getting let me pull up the face cards too. 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:50.480 But it was between Brandon Trevor, and then who's the 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.840 other guy, Michael Todd who we need to get into 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:58.040 Michael Todd. In a little bit between between those three, 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:02.360 I was like, I can't keep who is who's straight? No, Trevor, 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.360 I got, but Brandon and Michael Todd. I could say that, 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:10.800 but Michael Todd. If there was a jet on the show, 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.440 it would be Michael Todd. That's what I kept thinking. No, 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.839 you think they're alike. If there was anybody who was there, 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.200 he said, I'm on a singing show. I'm here to 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.080 be discovered. Let me sing every chance I can get, 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.400 let me play my instrument. Let me also let them 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.600 know why I am a songwriter. That was Michael Todd. 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.360 I mean, look at his look. Just look down at 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.640 your notes and look at his shots. His head shot. No, 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:39.240 Rachel as I was, so I rewatched it again, um, 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.800 just so I could make sure I have everything straight. 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:43.760 But I was looking at his head shot and I 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.240 was like, this is the one that they picked for him. 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:50.920 But we just gotta fast forward through the interpackage because 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.000 he probably was like, I need to see all five shots. 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.959 That's the one that I'm going with. That's why you 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:57.880 would have ever picked it. We have to post this 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.600 just so. I don't know if our listener can see 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:05.800 this somehow, but we'll show you guys one day. Fast 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:10.440 forward to Michael Todd's first interaction. It was actually with Savannah, 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:17.160 and I was literally coiling into my couch, like, oh, 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:20.600 this conversation is so terrible. The moment when he looks 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.559 at Savannah and they're sitting there and he goes, I 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.960 like your lips. I'm like, uh no, we've all been. 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.960 We've all been that girl to have some awkward guy 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.560 at some point in time. Stare at us and Mike, Oh, 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.000 you have nice lips, and I'm like, oh, that doesn't 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.600 work for anyone. Don't do it. And she just sits there, 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:39.800 and that's maybe that's the moment where I kind of 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:41.800 liked Savannah because she she just sat there and she 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:45.240 was like thank you, Like she didn't play into it. 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.960 It was just so awkward and so cringe worthy. And 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.160 I lived for that moment. But in my notes, when 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:55.079 I have Michael Todd's name just circled and X after 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.800 that conversation and X through his name, I was like 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.280 he I mean, I didn't even need him to open 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:04.640 his mouth and speak. I got who Michael Todd was 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.280 from the moment we saw him step out of that SUV. 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.959 I was like, nop, got your number. No, exactly who 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.600 you are. He reminds me so much of some actor 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.319 and I can't think of who. So if anyone out 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.640 there's listening who you can pinpoint it, please send it 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.720 my way, because it is bothering me so much. You 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.600 know what I liked too about just when they all 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.400 got together and as people were coming out of their 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.959 SUV's meeting Chris Harrison, well, wait, who was it who 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.960 said the guy's name is Chris? I think it was Matt, 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.720 who was like, is Chris right, Chris? What? And he's 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:43.320 like Hansen. I was like, oh, you're all there, Matt? 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:47.640 How freaking refreshing? Was it that? Because like, I feel 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.959 like a stick on the Bachelor Bachelorette is I haven't 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:54.680 really watched any seasons. I haven't. It's cool to say that, 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.360 and then usually when somebody says that they have watched 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.280 it hm. So I thought it was it's nice that 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.720 these people are kind of like, yeah, the guy looks familiar. 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:06.640 I think his name starts with a ce, Chris, there's 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.600 an h in there. It was like, Okay, these people are, 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:13.240 you know, here to meet somebody, here to sing, here 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:17.440 to make music, make some love, and you know, I 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.360 mean I think it was Trevor who even talked about 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.880 from the jump a star is born, and I thought, Okay, 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.000 that's what we're going to get here. Yeah, I will 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.600 say seeing them all together once, all twenty of them 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:32.120 were in the same room, it didn't of course, it 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.000 was their night one, it was their first time media 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:35.960 and everyone, and of course you go in with hopes 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.560 to find love and have a connection. But it just 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.760 seemed less bouchel esque in that regard and more just 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:45.640 a party. I think I think the last guy, I 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.840 think it was Brandon who walked in. He's like, I'm 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:49.840 the last guy and I've just walked into this great 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.480 party and I've missed half of it. But it seemed 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:56.320 much more chill than your typical night one on the 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.840 Boucher Boucherette. Okay, Becca, you know how we do it. 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.200 We could keep going on and on and on talking 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.080 about that, and we will. You guys, don't worry, but 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.560 we have to take a much needed break because it's 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.400 the moment that we've all been waiting for. It's finally come. 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.040 We have our special guest on Bachelor Happy Hour today. 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.000 Tom Higginson from Plain Whyte's is joining us now on 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:18.840 the show Tom, What's up? What's up? Hello? Hello? How 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.160 are you we're doing? Telling us I'm really good? Are 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:25.120 you in your closet? By the way, we are, we 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.400 are so it's where we get the best sound quality. 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:30.440 Some people have accused us of wanting to show off 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.160 our clothes. It's not the case. It's our it's our 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:39.280 recording studio. Yeah, that's good organized than my closet. So 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:43.160 that's good. Good for you guys. This is a new thing. 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.600 When I knew that we were we you know, couldn't 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.280 be traveling for the podcast and had to be doing 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.560 it at home, I'm like, I gotta clean this baby out. 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.280 So gave me a good excuse, and now you're getting 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.360 an insight into our personalities. One of us cleaned up 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:59.800 and the other was like, mah, so well one day 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.320 more like you. I'm a procrastinator, so I haven't done 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.520 like anything. I've got a list of things that I 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.880 want to do with this, like quarantine, and I haven't 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:10.800 done anything. So yeah, how are you doing in the quarantine? 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:14.600 Are you safe as your family safe friends? I mean yeah, 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.880 knock on wood, you know, everything's good so far, everybody's healthy. 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.600 I'm doing I'm doing okay. It's weird for me because 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:25.960 obviously being in the band, we're traveling NonStop, whether it's touring, 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:29.800 playing shows, going to write with friends and stuff like that. 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.080 So it's a lot of like an adjustment to just 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:36.240 be in one place for a while. But it's it's 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.160 kind of nice that I get to be home. I 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.400 have a ten year old son, so to get to 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:42.880 hang with him all the time. It's a bummer. I 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.160 haven't seen like my parents or anything because they're you know, 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.320 obviously doing their own quarantine thing. But we've I've been 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:53.120 facetiming every day with them, facetiming with my grandparents. So 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.600 it's it's weird that like everybody has to be separated, 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.480 but yet we're still like kind of more together than 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.920 ever in a weird way. Yeah, it really is connecting 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:07.280 people in a different aspect. I mean, you know, before this, 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:09.800 because I live out of state, I don't live by 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.440 my family anymore, and I would probably call my mom 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.560 at least once, maybe twice a week. But now it's 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.720 like every other day we're face timing, and so it's 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.280 just bringing everyone together in a different way. Are you 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:23.119 still singing, songwriting, doing all of that. So I've been 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.760 doing a lot of I've been going live on Instagram 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.520 like every few days, you know, and just kind of 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.200 touching base. I've got obviously, I've got the Plain White 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.000 Teas and then I've got a record label that I 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:36.199 started called Humans We're Here, So between the artists on 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.119 that label and then calling the Plain White Teas guys, 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.600 we've been doing you know, I feel like to keep 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:45.560 fans connected, just doing things like that, going live on Instagram, 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:49.199 posting you know, just what you're doing, and having that 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.360 little face to face well I guess it's not face 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.919 to face, but face to texts or whatever it is. 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.960 There goa is important right now, and that's kind of, 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:00.640 you know, all you can do to stay in touch. 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:02.280 We were supposed to be on tour in the UK 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.080 during this time, and obviously that got canceled. We're getting 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.000 everything canceled, so yeah, you gotta just be creative and 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.240 find ways to stay connected with people. I haven't really 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.600 been writing. I wrote a little bit the other day, 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.000 but yeah, I don't know that. Like I said, that's 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:22.520 on my list that I'm going to get potentially, but yeah, 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:25.560 I feel like I'm holding the bars so high. I'm like, 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.320 oh my gosh, when these artists come out of this quarantine, 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:31.879 I can't wait for the music, the fashion that I 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.440 just I'm so excited because I feel like you guys 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:41.040 are going to be inspired on another level. But speaking 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:44.919 of were transitioning, I guess from music to TV. You 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:46.920 know we're talking to you because you were on Listen 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.359 to your Heart. We see you on this episode or 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:51.800 we saw you last night on the episode. I guess 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:53.600 I want to start off with have you ever done 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:58.760 reality TV before? So our guitar player Tim, he actually 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.640 was on a a reality show called Ready for Love 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:07.200 and it was so he actually familiar. Yeah you know what. 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.680 I think it got like canceled after like three episodes 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:13.399 or something, but he met he actually met his wife 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:17.960 on the show and they have two kids now. Yeah, 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.800 so you believe in it. I do. I believe in it. 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:22.560 You know, I don't really want I don't watch any TV, 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:25.959 to be fair, but I think that's my one um 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.720 experience with the dating reality shows and it worked for 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:32.320 my buddy Tim, so pretty cool and we got to 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.520 play on that show as well, So you know, I'm 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:39.399 kind of like a veteran playing for these uh love reality? 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.639 Do you so when you make these appearances on the shows? 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.120 You know, we saw you for a little bit. I'll 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.760 listen to your heart. Do you get more nervous knowing 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.320 that it's going to be filmed or is it kind 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.440 of just the same feeling that you would go into 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.800 for any performance. I tell you what, when something is 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.359 taped for live, that's when I get kind of nervous 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:03.639 because it's like, oh boy, I can't screw up. This 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.920 is live, this is going out there. Um. But this 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.840 was obviously taped a few months back, you know, so 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:12.680 it was just kind of fun. I didn't really get nervous, 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:15.040 you know. And they had it. They had it. The setup, 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:16.600 I know you guys saw it. But the setup was 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.359 really cool, kind of like an outdoor party, just people 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.479 kind of sitting around. It was a very chill vibe. 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.400 So yeah, we weren't weren't too nervous. It's cool, very 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:29.560 It seemed very intimate and like you said, just chill, relaxed. 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:33.240 So I'm jolous. We weren't there. Yeah, well listen, you 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:35.720 thought you were just going to be interviewed, and you are. 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:37.600 But at the same time, we kind of needs you 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:40.000 as the third co host at this point because in 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:42.800 the episode we didn't get to see that much of 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:45.640 the date, but you were there for the whole thing, 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:49.480 and so we need the inside scoop about Mel and 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:51.639 Matt that were on this date. So of course we 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:53.719 want to know what your experience was like, but we 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:56.040 also need to know what was up with that date 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:59.359 because we didn't see anything honestly other than you. We 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:02.080 saw you form, but we didn't see their interaction. Like 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:05.119 we were on stage and you know, we did our 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.480 little sound check and everything, and then they brought the 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.800 couple in and they were there and we played our 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:12.679 set and then they came up a little bit with 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:14.440 us and everything, you know, was super cool. We got 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:16.600 to talk to them for a second, but then they 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:19.399 ushered us out pretty quick, so it was like, you know, 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:22.760 they had their their date moment. But we were kind 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.560 of like trying to like peek in, trying to see 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:27.800 what was going on. But they were like yeah, cool, 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:32.960 good job. Guys, like no, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well and 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:36.520 after that date, both both parties involved, they were like, yeah, 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:38.280 there wasn't too much chemistry. So I was going to 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.280 ask you watching them, I mean did you feel that 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:43.200 or wasn't so quick? They were like, ah, didn't feel anything. Well, 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:46.000 it's tough because it's like they had just that was 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:48.440 like their first date or whatever. So I'm like, okay, 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:52.359 it's a weird, weird concept. And like I said, I 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.200 my buddy Tim did it with this his reality show. 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.600 But like just to have to meet somebody, go on 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:01.320 this awkward date and have the whole thing be filmed 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:03.480 and like just know in the back of your mind 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:05.840 that like, oh cool, millions of people are going to 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:09.680 see this, Like I feel like you'd be so kind 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:14.280 of self conscious that how would you actually like let 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:17.760 yourself like be vulnerable enough to like actually get to 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:20.480 know somebody or actually having some real moments. It's weird. 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:23.879 It's a weird concept. So yeah, I don't know that 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.080 I that I necessarily could tell if they were like 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.080 clicking or not, because knowing that it was like their 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:32.000 first date, I was like, oh, well, who knows you know? Yeah, 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:34.000 well I tell you. I don't know if you know this, 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:37.840 but we're like your bandmate, I met my husband now 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:42.320 husband on The Bachelor three years ago. Yes, and Becca's 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:45.000 engaged to her guys, So it's like two years at 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:48.320 this point, right, so we're yeah, yeah, yeah and real 0:22:48.359 --> 0:22:51.120 it works. And I will say my first like with 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:53.840 my now fiance, his name is Garrett, with on my 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:57.639 first date with him, we actually were surprised with a 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:01.160 country concert that night, so luckily we had the day 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:03.800 to spend it together. But that night we walked into 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:05.479 this room and it was kind of it was it 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:07.960 was a smaller concert setting too. It is very dark, 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:11.040 very intimate. But I think it depends on the person 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:14.240 because with Garrett, I felt so open, so comfortable, like 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:16.760 we had the best time at that concert, just dancing 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.199 and kissing. But I will say that had it been 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:21.000 in anyone else that you maybe don't have chemistry with, 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:24.920 it would have been so awkward totally. So yeah, I 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:26.720 can kind of see where they were coming from where 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:28.880 they're like there was like, yeah, not too much chemistry 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:30.840 and if they obviously they've never been on a TV 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:33.879 show before, so they didn't know what to expect. But 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:36.480 but Tom, I want to get into a little bit 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:41.359 of background about you and how you got started in music. Really, 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:44.160 so we know that you and your bandmates had started 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:48.160 putting my teas in high school. Correct, So what's the 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:50.800 secret to stay I feel like it's like a relationship obviously, 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:53.239 what's the secret to staying together and keeping that that 0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:57.560 musical chemistry alive? Wow? Um, well, you know it's funny. 0:23:57.600 --> 0:23:59.840 We're all like really good dudes that like each other, 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:03.880 you know. So it's like we've had our ups and downs, 0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:07.600 and there actually have been a couple little like mis 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:12.600 fighty like have to break up the band members. Like 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:16.720 through the years, there's been some crazy times, especially in 0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:18.720 the early days when we were traveling around in like 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:21.480 a van together and we used to tour like three 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.400 hundred days out of the year in a van, so 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:26.639 there wasn't like you couldn't escape if you were like 0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:29.800 fisted at somebody or like annoyed with somebody you were 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:31.800 you had to be like three feet from them at 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:35.400 all times. Anyway, you couldn't. Like Dan not a bus. 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:38.760 I was like, I thought, maybe he maybe he made 0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:40.199 a mistake when he said at the first time. Then 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:44.120 he said it again, and see now it's a little 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:47.440 easier because now we have a bus. So now it's like, cool, dude, 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:49.160 that guy's being a jerk, Like, well, I'm just gonna 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:51.159 go in the back lounge and hang out whatever. I 0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:53.200 don't need to see him for a few hours. But yeah, 0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:55.000 back then it was in the van, so you're like 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:57.480 he's in the bench, like right next to you, and 0:24:57.480 --> 0:25:00.199 you're like, yeah, you know, so that was really rock 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:02.920 in the way. But yeah, in general, I just think 0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:05.680 we're all we all are like brothers. You know. It's 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:08.440 like we fight sometimes, but we all deep down love 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:10.360 each other, have a lot of respect for each other. 0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:13.560 And I think musically as well, same thing. You know, 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.959 It's like we all definitely have our different opinions and 0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:19.840 sometimes we'll argue when we're putting songs together and stuff. 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:22.439 But in the end, it's like, well, I know they're 0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:25.960 you know, like they're giving their opinion that they really believe. 0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:27.920 So it's like I'm gonna even though I don't think 0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:30.520 that's necessarily what I would have done, I'm going to 0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:32.919 listen to that, and we all just kind of compromise 0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:35.399 and you know, just kind of make it, make the 0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:38.320 decisions as a unit, and then put it out there 0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:40.679 and wish for the best. Yeah. I mean it's a 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:43.440 testament to you guys and why you're still together. I'm 0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:46.720 interested in this because obviously Listen to Your Heart is 0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:50.360 about love, but it's also about music and coming together 0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:55.000 and making love and making music. One thing we kept hearing, 0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:57.720 at least in this first episode was the musicians were 0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:00.480 saying that, oh, I've never dated a musician and before 0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:03.080 I've never dated it. But both the guys and the girls, 0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:05.600 So have you ever dated a musician before? Is this 0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:10.720 a thing? You know? I don't know. I did go 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:12.240 on a date with this one girl that was a 0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:18.000 singer and she was super cool, but it's very difficult. 0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:20.080 Here's the problem. Here's why you don't date a musician 0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:23.840 because we're always traveling around and we're all we were 0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:26.600 never in one we're never quarantined in one place set 0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:29.920 for a long time, you know. So it's like it's 0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:32.399 very difficult. Like I could meet somebody on the road 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:34.719 and be like, oh my god, that girl was so 0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:38.119 amazing and you know, text her for the next week, 0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:45.679 but like, just because of the ever changing lifestyle, like 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:49.040 it's very difficult to really take that seriously or really 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:52.800 keep that going because even if you did have a 0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:56.240 real connection or did have like something serious, it's like 0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:59.399 there's just so much going on, and you know, you're 0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:01.840 not going to see that person for what at least months, 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:04.439 you know from now they even see her for a 0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:07.639 second time to see if, oh, maybe there was a 0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:11.520 connection or maybe there wasn't. So yeah, very difficult unless 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:13.320 you find most of the girls that I would that 0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:17.440 I date or like have dated, have been either in California, 0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:19.800 where obviously we spend a lot of time, or Chicago, 0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:21.600 which is where I live and where I'm from. So 0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:24.040 you know, when you meet people on the road, even 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:27.639 though they are amazing and they could be perfect for you, 0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:30.560 you never really get the chance to explore that and really, 0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:36.080 you know, to see if it works out. What about groupies, Um, well, 0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:44.200 you know you don't. Well you know band aids, band 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:49.199 aids what they're called. I haven't seen Almost Famous. Have 0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:54.000 you seen that movie? It's so good? What do you think? Okay, so, 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.640 if you had your significant other in your actual band, 0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:00.720 do you think that would work out in that way 0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:03.720 or would that just be too much time together? I 0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:05.720 mean so one of the one of the artists on 0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:08.760 my label is this duet group called Fairview. They're a 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:13.720 duo and their boyfriend girlfriend, and it's very interesting to 0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:16.719 see their dynamic because it's like, man, if they broke up, 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:18.800 or if they're in a fight, or if they're going 0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:22.840 through something like you kind of can't help but see 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:26.760 it in like the songs they're writing or the live performance. 0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:30.520 You know, it's so it's weird, that dynamic. I can't 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:33.639 imagine it. You know, no doubt that band, Gwen and 0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.919 the bass player were dating when they first formed, and 0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:40.400 somehow they broke up and they stayed together and they 0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:44.800 like obviously became amazing, no doubt. But I can't imagine. 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:48.040 I've had some friends. Another buddy of mine was in 0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:52.400 a band with his girlfriend and she ended up leaving 0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:55.120 him for the band's manager, which was so seazy and 0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:59.600 so shady. Yeah yeah, so man, dating somebody in the band, 0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:01.800 it was, that's a whole new dynamic. I don't think 0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:04.240 I could I can handle that one. Yeah, yes, I 0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:07.040 think like Fleetwood Mac And so I'm like, oh, you know, 0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:10.520 like totally break up, you date somebody else, you know, 0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:13.200 you're kind of all in the mix together. It just 0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:17.920 makes for a good album. Selfishly selfish, Yeah, true, there's 0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:21.080 plenty of drama to write about. I guess right, Oh yeah, 0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:23.479 it would. I feel like that could keep the creative 0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:27.840 juices flowing, for sure, that's true. No, Tom, I want 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:29.840 I feel like I'm not the only one who needs 0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:33.480 to ask this and needs to get to know this 0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:36.000 person a little bit more. But one of the most 0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:40.480 popular songs out there. I mean it came out when 0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:44.080 I was I think in high school still and I 0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:47.400 still listen to it to this day. Obviously, hay there Delilah. 0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:51.560 Now we need to know who is Delilah. So first 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:53.400 of all, I don't know if you guys have seen this, 0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.480 but there's been this new wave of hay there Delilah, 0:29:56.480 --> 0:30:00.240 all these like people writing like the Hey They're Corona, 0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:06.720 or just songs about Delilah like TikTok. It's like trending 0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:09.120 on TikTok right now. I don't know how, but it's crazy. 0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:13.680 So yeah, the actual song is based on an actual girl, 0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:17.880 a girl that I met. She she was She's actually 0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:21.640 from Chicago. So I met her in Chicago and she 0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:23.480 was friends of a friend I was gonna. I was 0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:25.960 hanging out with my one friend Kim, and she was like, Hey, 0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:28.360 my friend Delilah is going back to school tomorrow. She's 0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:30.160 got nothing to do. Can she come? We were going 0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:32.240 to a concert, like, can she come to the concert 0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:34.720 with us? Like, yeah, sure. So we picked this girl 0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:36.560 up and as soon as she walked out her door, 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:40.400 I'm just like, oh my god, so beautiful. And so 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:42.760 she had a boyfriend. So the whole night I'm just 0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:47.080 being goofy, like I know, there's nothing, nothing really gonna 0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:50.400 happen there. So I'm just like just being like I 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.600 don't have any game. I'm just like a goofball. So 0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:54.960 I'm just like being funny or trying to make her 0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:59.160 laugh or whatever. And so when we dropped her off 0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:01.440 that night, I gave her our CD that we had 0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:03.280 out at the time, and I was like, you know, 0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:05.840 I've got a song about you. And she's like, oh cool, 0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:08.840 you know whatever, and she left and I'm just that 0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:12.120 was my my brilliant line, right, And so then she 0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:14.040 went back to school in New York the next day 0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:17.240 and we kept in touch a little bit on Aim. 0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:19.440 Do you guys have any idea about it? Oh yeah, 0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:24.200 yeah yeah. So we kept in touch on Aim and 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:28.800 she would like like she was like loving the CD 0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:30.600 that I gave her of my songs, you know, our 0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.600 our song for our album before the one with Hayter 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:37.200 Delilah obviously, and she was like she kept asking me, so, 0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:39.320 where's my song? When do I get to hear my song? 0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:43.400 And so and it was it was always just super innocent, 0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:46.920 but it was just gave me that little dose of 0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:49.400 like inspiration that I needed. It was like, oh, damn, 0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:51.440 I I guess I do have to write this song 0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:52.760 for her, you know, I do. I do have to 0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:55.720 write her a song, and um, so that's kind of it. 0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:57.760 And so the first couple of lines of the song 0:31:58.120 --> 0:31:59.960 came out of me really quick and easily. You know, 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:01.840 what's it like in New York City tonight? You look 0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:05.480 so pretty? You know? And then after I got past 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.640 like that first verse, I was like, well, that pretty 0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:13.280 much sums up everything I know about this. So I 0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.120 had to kind of imagine the rest of it, Like 0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:18.920 if I was in this long distance relationship with somebody, 0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:21.080 what would I want to say? You know, someday I'll 0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:23.880 pay the bills with this guitar and you know, our 0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:26.040 friends will make fun of us and they don't get 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:27.680 it and blah blah blah. And you know, so I 0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:31.640 kind of wrote the rest of it basically having to 0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:34.280 be a little bit more creative and think about if 0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.840 I wasn't, you know, in a relationship with somebody, and 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:40.320 so then yeah, that was kind of the that's basically 0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:42.680 the whole story. I did make a joke with her though, 0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:45.280 when I first, you know, obviously admitted to her, Okay, 0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:47.000 I didn't write a song yet, but I'm going to 0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:51.440 and it's gonna be the best song I write, and 0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:53.920 it's gonna get us famous, and you're gonna be my 0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:56.640 date for the Grammys. And I said all that before 0:32:57.240 --> 0:33:00.440 you know, a note of the song was written, and 0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:03.160 so sure enough, it's I don't know if it's the 0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:05.480 best song I've written, but it's definitely the most famous, 0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:07.480 and you know, got play late Keys on the Map 0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:10.520 and we ended up getting two Grammy nominations for that song. 0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:14.200 And so through the years, as the song came out, 0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:17.440 Delilah would come to shows and she'd be really cool 0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:20.000 and supportive about it. Like literally, we'd play in New 0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:22.800 York and she'd come and she'd we'd be like hanging 0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:25.200 out at the merch table after the show and like, 0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:27.560 oh my god, thanks for coming. She's I'm like, where's 0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:29.600 your where's your dude? Whe's your boyfriend? He's like, oh, 0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:31.560 he's waiting outside. He didn't want to he didn't want 0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:33.920 to come in, but he like like so he like 0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:36.880 half supported her, but was half like no, screw that. 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:40.320 You know, like course pretty funny. Um, but yeah, she 0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:43.120 was real supportive and cool and everything and so um. 0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:45.720 So when we got nominated for the Grammys, I hadn't 0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:47.880 spoken to her for a few months. You know, we'd 0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:49.560 kind of check in every once in a while, especially 0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:51.440 as the song was like blowing up. You know, we 0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:54.120 kind of had had some funny texts going back and forth, 0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:56.040 Oh my god, I heard it at this place or 0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:58.960 you know, some cool stuff like that. Um. And so 0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:01.720 when when we got nominated for the Grammys, I called 0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:04.440 her up and I was like, hey, I just got 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:08.640 nominated for two Grammys. I'm like, remember when I, you know, wrote, 0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:10.880 before I wrote the song, I said you'd be my 0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:13.080 date for the Grammys. I'm like, well, you got it. 0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:16.479 You gotta common and she's like, well, actually me and 0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:21.319 my boyfriend just broke up. Yeah. So I was like, 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:23.560 and I'd been in a relationship with somebody and I 0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:25.400 was single at that time too, so I was like, 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:28.000 whoa is this going to happen? This is like four 0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:30.920 years later or something after meeting her and writing the song, Like, 0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.200 is this going to happen like four years later after 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:36.040 the song it's like a big hit and all this stuff, 0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:38.520 And it was like a moment of time where it 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.480 was like it just kind of was too weird to 0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:44.080 be to be true, you know. And so by the 0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:48.759 time the Grammys actually happened, like two months later, she 0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:51.799 was back with her boyfriend. I was back with my girlfriend, 0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:57.960 but we still went to the Grammys together and you know, 0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:00.600 kind of shared the fun of it. It was like 0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:03.000 a very platonic night, but it was it was fun. 0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:06.920 It was like the prophecy had fulfilled itself, you know. Yeah. 0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:09.279 So do you still stay in touch with her to 0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:11.480 this day? Um? You know what, I haven't really talked 0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:14.400 to her lately. I did this. I was doing this, 0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:18.799 um this live interview or something on TV in New York. 0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:21.440 We when we put our last album out, Parallel Universe, 0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:23.120 they White Tease. We did a bunch of press in 0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:26.720 New York and this was just maybe last summer or something, 0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:30.400 and and somebody had said that, like, oh, when's the 0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:32.359 last time you talked to Delilah? And I said, oh, man, 0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:34.480 it's been a while, and they said, well, why don't 0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:37.560 you text her right now? And so on the live interview, 0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:39.839 I like, okay, took up my phone and I just 0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:44.239 texted her, Hey, there no and I sent it and 0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:49.960 she didn't write back. Oh I know, I know. But 0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:52.360 to be fair, that was kind of like a cheesy 0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:56.799 ass text. But still it's like the three am you up? Text? Yeah, 0:35:56.840 --> 0:36:00.319 exactly it is. I have to tell you, Tom, this 0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:03.840 is disappointing because at the time, at the time the 0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:06.960 song came out, I was living in New York City 0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:11.520 and you couldn't tell me. I wasn't Delilah. I was 0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:13.880 bad to everybody. I was like, just like singing the 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.880 song Delilah might as well have been Rachel. It was 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.640 my theme song. I had an internship and so it 0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:22.400 was for that whole summer. It was like my theme song. 0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:25.600 So it resonates with me, just like Begast High school. 0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:28.239 For me, it's like a college experience and it's it's 0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:31.520 you can tell the the I guess it stands the 0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:33.960 test of time. The fact that that song was written 0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:37.600 what like two thousand and four five I think, came 0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:40.399 out in six to seven when it started to really 0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:44.279 catch fire. And now it's twenty twenty and people are 0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:50.240 still using your song and there aren't too many songs. 0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:53.640 Like when I think of Hid There Delilah, I still 0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:56.319 remember exactly where it was the first time I heard it, 0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:59.400 what conversation I was having with one of my friends, 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.560 And that's probably like one of the only songs that 0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:05.400 I can recall in detail, like the first time hearing it. 0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:08.640 So it's it's a really special one. Yeah, that's cool. 0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:10.640 I just got chills with you saying that that's so awesome, 0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.719 Like that's crazy. And the fact that you said you 0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:16.759 have no game, it's like you killed the game, you 0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:20.200 wrote a song, then you sing this song about this, 0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:23.560 I mean, like you have the ultimate game. Well, I 0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:25.440 can write a song about you and it can be 0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:28.600 dominated for Grammy. The problem is is that the girl 0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:31.920 that you write the song about never goes for you, 0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:35.719 but it's always you get the other girls because of 0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:38.920 that song. But yeah, it's like I'm serious. Like you 0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:41.400 can ask Tim, our guitar player. He's always saying that 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:44.080 same thing. He's like, yeah, what what inspires you to 0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:46.440 write the song? Is like a lot of times that 0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:50.080 longing or that you know, it's like, shoot, I need 0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:52.680 to do something to get this girl's attention or to 0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:55.560 like you said, to have some game here, that that's 0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:58.479 my game. But a lot of times she's like, oh, 0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:02.319 that's cute whatever. And then you girls that are like, 0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:04.399 oh my god, why don't you write a song for me? 0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:07.279 But then I'm like, oh, i'd be wearing a shirt 0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:11.319 that said I'm Delilah period that shirt we made that 0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:15.560 shirt back in the day, and Delilah actually wore that shirt. 0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:18.879 That's awesome. I love that. Oh my god, it makes 0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:22.359 the song so much better. We know the background this. 0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:25.040 I'm not gonna lie when we get off this podcast, 0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:28.640 I'm gonna google Delilah. I need to know more about 0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:31.120 her now. Yeah, she's beautiful. I don't you know what. 0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:32.880 It's funny I should reach out to her in like 0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:35.680 a non cheesy way and just be like, hey, how's 0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:40.359 your quarantine? Like are you okay? You know more than 0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:44.719 just what's up? Or would you say, hey, there, have 0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:47.799 you guys seen all those memes that are like, you know, 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:51.080 like maybe maybe don't tell me what it's like in 0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:52.799 New York City right now, or you know, just all 0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:58.440 that stuff. It's a perfect timing. Where do you find 0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:00.920 your inspiration? I mean, obviously we get Delilah, we get 0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:04.000 where that comes from, love the story behind it. What 0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:06.279 when it comes to the music that you write, where 0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:09.360 do you find your inspiration to write these beautiful songs? 0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:12.120 I mean, you know, a lot of times it's just 0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:15.120 that kind of thing. It's like some little little situation 0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:18.799 where either you meet a girl or you go through 0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:22.520 something and if it's just weighing on you a little bit, 0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:25.200 whether it's like, oh my god, she's so amazing, or 0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:28.080 whether it's oh my god, I feel so crappy about 0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.400 this thing, I gotta get it off my chest. You know. 0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:34.200 Usually it's just something like that where it's like, man, this, 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:36.520 I need to get this out. I need to say 0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:40.360 something about this. You know, a lot of times it'll 0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:44.279 come from listening to other music. You know, like you know, 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:47.720 you'll be listening to something super fresh and you'll be like, Wow, 0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:50.480 that's inspiring, that's so cool, and it makes you want 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:53.000 to go grab the guitar or go write write some 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.719 thoughts down because I don't know, you want to tap 0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:59.480 into that like excitement that you just felt by someone 0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:02.520 else's music. A lot of times a song will come 0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:05.480 from a title, you know, like You'll have this clever 0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:08.040 little idea and I'll write it down in my notes 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:09.960 on my phone or something, and then you know, a 0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:12.239 month later, I'll be sitting there and you know, just 0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:14.160 go through them and oh, that was a cool idea, 0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:17.000 and then try to formulate a song around that. So 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:19.520 it's all kind of different things, you know. I think 0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:21.680 it's there's there's a lot of people. I read this 0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:26.040 book called The War of Art, and it's like, how 0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.520 a lot of people think that like being creative is 0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:32.919 this like spiritual light of candle, you know, meditate and 0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:35.800 like hope that something comes at you from the universe 0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:38.879 or something, which, to an extent, there's there's that bit 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:42.319 of randomness to it, but there's a lot of it. 0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:45.000 It's just you know, checking in, clocking in, and like, 0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:47.839 you know, if I grab my guitar every day and 0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:51.759 just mess around it for fifteen minutes, chances are something's 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.440 going to come come out of it, you know U. 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.360 So yeah, it's like you just kind of have to 0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:00.440 have to make your own inspiration and just const be 0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:02.960 you know, I love music, and I love writing music, 0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:06.080 and I love just the idea of a song. You know, 0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:09.360 songs are my world. So it's like it's fun to 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:12.279 just sit down every day and just hack away at 0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:16.680 it until you get something cool. You mentioned finding inspiration 0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:19.839 from another song, so I want to ask, then, what 0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:22.879 is your favorite love song of all time? And then 0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:26.360 also who is one of your favorite artists or bands 0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:29.560 out there? Um, so, my favorite love song? We actually 0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:33.200 the play my t has just made a playlist of 0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:35.399 our favorite love songs. You gotta go check that out. 0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:38.120 Look it up. There's a lot of cool on Spotify. 0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:39.600 There's a lot of cool ones on there. I had 0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:42.480 fun with it. I think I've submitted like forty songs 0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:47.080 or something, and they probably only wanted like ten. But 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:50.000 you know, I don't know if this is a technically 0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:52.279 a love song. But you know that song Yesterday by 0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:55.400 the Beatles, Yes, of course, like it's it's kind of 0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:58.120 a broken hearted love song. But but that song, to 0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:02.120 me is the perfect song. It's so beautiful and it 0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:05.239 says so much and it really does speak to love 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.800 and you know the fact that love can be very 0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:14.200 you know, very fragile, you know, and like or fragile, 0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:16.040 I guess is the right way to say it in 0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:20.480 France or something, but yeah, it's just that's that would 0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:23.879 be my go to love song or basically any song. 0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:26.800 I think that's like the best song of all time. Yeah, okay, 0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:29.719 well we will definitely check out that that playlist. We're 0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:32.480 actually putting one together for bad seor right now. And 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:34.440 so I'm like you where I sent it in way 0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:37.760 too many options, um, and I feel bad for whoever 0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:40.800 has to go through. Yeah, pick the actual ones that 0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:43.880 are going on there. But totally it's like favorite movie, 0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:45.319 you know, It's like how do you pick just one? 0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:48.520 It's like you gotta have all all these different different options. 0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:50.840 And too, it's hard when you say when I asked, like, 0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:52.799 what's your favorite love song? Because like you said, you 0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:55.440 don't know if yesterday could be considered a love song, 0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:58.480 but I really think anything can, like when you define 0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:01.120 your own version of love and and so whatever song 0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:05.800 you choose, I mean, that's that's the one. I love that. So, Tom, 0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:08.160 we need to hear from you. Obviously, we loved seeing you. 0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:09.560 We wish we could have seen more of you and 0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:11.520 listen to your heart. But what is coming up for 0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:14.319 both you and the plain White teas anything else that 0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:16.839 we as fans to know about you guys. Um. Yeah, 0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:20.759 so Plain White Tas actually our dropping. So it's been 0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:24.560 fifteen years actually since the album All That We Needed 0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:26.839 came out, which is the first album that had hey 0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:29.719 there Delilah on it, so you know, you were doing 0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:32.239 the math a little while ago, and yeah, Delilah first 0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:35.080 came out in twenty five, so it's been fifteen years. 0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:38.399 It's so crazy. But yeah, so that album, we're doing 0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:41.440 like a little reissue of that album celebrate the fifteen 0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:44.600 year anniversary. It's got a few added bonus tracks of 0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:50.399 like live acoustic performances from that time on there. So 0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:52.719 that's what's new for Plain White Teas. Obviously, like I said, 0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:55.040 we had a tour canceled because of all this, So 0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:57.879 as soon as this all lifts, we're going to get 0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:00.839 back on the road and keep playing shows and start 0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:03.200 working on some brand new music. We had an album 0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:08.040 that came out, our latest album, Parallel Universe. We love that. 0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:11.720 We actually played one of the songs for that little 0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:15.719 concert for Listening to Your Heart. So that's basically what's 0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:17.359 near to play my teas for me. I'm just I'm 0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:18.960 writing with a lot of artists Like I said, I 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.960 started a record label called Humans. We're here, so follow 0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:24.080 along to all that stuff. I've got an eighty side 0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:27.239 project called Million Miler that's super fun. It's all like 0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:31.000 synthpop that I'm releasing. So yeah, just staying busy and 0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:34.720 just life revolves around music. So pretty cool. It sounds 0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:37.400 really cool. We're excited for everything that you have coming up. 0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:40.319 We can't wait. Like I said, the Bars High, we 0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:43.839 know you're going to be inspired with so much you know, creativity, 0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:46.239 and I just can't wait to hear what you know, 0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:49.200 you do, what your record label does, the artists on 0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:51.279 that and then also with the Plain White Tis So 0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:54.239 thank you so much for joining us on Bachelor Happy Hour. 0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:56.600 You know, we hope to see you again on some 0:44:56.840 --> 0:45:00.640 Bachelor franchise show. You're in the family, all right, Yeah, 0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:02.560 let's just call it call us up. We'll do it. 0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:04.799 Thank you so much. And and Tom, if you ever 0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:07.880 need any more inspiration, feel free to write a song 0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:09.960 about Rache and I. Maybe you'll get some grammys off 0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:14.400 there you go back up, Well, this is you know, 0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:17.480 this is the the most female interaction I've had in 0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:22.200 a while, so maybe I will be inspired. Yeah, it's 0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:25.280 gonna it's gonna be called two girls in a closet. 0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:29.720 There you go, all right, thanks so much, you'd be safe. 0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:35.240 Thank you you too, Thank you by take care bye? Okay, Becca? 0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:39.759 How great was Tom? I love him? I really do. 0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:41.840 I could have kept talking to him. I know you 0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:44.440 could have too. I mean, whether we're talking about hey there, Delilah, 0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:47.719 his time on the show, his bandmate, finding the love 0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:49.959 of his life on a reality TV show. I felt 0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:52.960 like we had so much in common with Tom, right, 0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:57.640 I've already done this before. He does have this special 0:45:57.719 --> 0:46:00.319 quality about him where I felt like he was just 0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:05.440 at ease and natural. But I loved diving into his 0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:08.600 story and history with Delilah. I've been wanting to know 0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:09.920 that for a years. So it was great to have 0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:12.120 him on the line. I mean, like I said, it's 0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:15.399 a little disheartening to know it wasn't about me, but 0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:18.920 not everything can be about you, Rachel. So, Rachel, you 0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:21.520 had your own season. Okay, girl, if you're at you're right. 0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:23.760 My time is done. It is not by season anymore, 0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:26.000 but it is the season for listening to your heart. 0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:29.560 So what I find so interesting about all of these 0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:32.160 musicians I don't even want to call them contestants. All 0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:35.800 these musicians that are in this mansion together, this beautiful mansion, 0:46:35.880 --> 0:46:38.360 much better than the Bachelor mansion, if I have to 0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:41.920 say so myself. Is that all of them have something 0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:45.359 in common. You know, when we walk in the first night, 0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:47.520 it's like we all have something in common. We're all 0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:49.959 after the same man or woman. You know, that's usually 0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:51.520 what you have in common. You don't think you're going 0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:53.839 to get along with these with the people, at least 0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:55.280 that's how I felt. I was like, oh, I'm probably 0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:56.600 not going to make any friends. I'm going to be 0:46:56.640 --> 0:47:01.000 so different, And then you're pleasantly surprised. These musicians walk 0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:06.040 in already knowing we sing, most of us play instruments. 0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:10.600 We already connect because we share this this artistry together. 0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:13.520 We all think the same way. So I think that 0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:17.160 that makes walking in the first night a little bit 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:19.680 more welcoming, and that kind of comes off through the 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:23.279 TV screen, you know, Yes, yes, I felt like there 0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:26.000 was a certain warmth when everyone was around with each other. 0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:28.920 It wasn't like you said, when you go into night 0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:31.600 one and you're all kind of going after the same person, 0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:35.839 there's still that level of competitiveness and a little bit 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:39.240 of underlying tension. And in this regard, it's not because 0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:41.359 it's really like everyone has a free for all, Like, yes, 0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:44.520 you're all bonded by your love of music and that creativity, 0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:47.680 but everyone's still like, oh, let's just meet everyone. And 0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:51.160 it's like the I don't remember who said it. One 0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:52.640 of the girls was like, I haven't even talked to 0:47:52.640 --> 0:47:54.839 all the guys yet, and I still want to. It's 0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:57.839 not like they're just going after one person. Yeah, I mean, 0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:01.759 And so it like more war and more welcoming, a 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:04.600 little less I mean, Okay, I'm gonna say this, it 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:09.480 felt a little less uh like nerve racking, so to speak. 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:11.680 But I will say if I walked in and I 0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:15.080 knew everyone was that talented, and everyone was a great 0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:17.960 singer and probably played some instruments, I would be like, 0:48:18.440 --> 0:48:20.879 I am. I would be nervous, I think to get 0:48:20.920 --> 0:48:23.440 around them and to I would just think, like, oh 0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:24.840 my gosh, women, when am I going to have to 0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:27.080 sing in front of all these people? And that's just me. 0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:30.560 Maybe it's just because I'm a terrible singer, but um, 0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:33.600 but it had a different feel which I appreciate from 0:48:33.640 --> 0:48:36.239 the show. Yeah, no, no, no no no. If I had 0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:38.520 to start, you know, like they're just like, oh, getting 0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:40.600 on the piano and play and pull out the guitar, 0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:42.000 I would be like, Um, I have to go to 0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:44.080 the bathroom, excuse me? And I would you ever come back? 0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:48.760 Like Rachel you as you know, coming from your legal background, 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:52.200 like if you walked into a mansion full of twenty lawyers, 0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:54.680 how would you feel? I don't know. Okay, So then 0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:56.920 maybe I was so different because I would know that 0:48:57.000 --> 0:48:59.240 I would be prepared. You know, I went to school 0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:01.640 for this, I've had the training for this, so I 0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:04.719 would feel confident in the skill that I would have. 0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:07.799 So yeah, there'd be it'd be nerve wracking, but at 0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:10.840 least I know i'd be prepared as opposed to you know, 0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:13.680 it's not like we're on the Bachelor Bachelorette. We walk 0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:15.680 into the room and they're like, Okay, you're gonna sing, 0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:17.719 kind of like a group date. Okay, you're gonna sing, 0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:19.920 you're gonna dance, and you're like, wait a minute, now, 0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:25.279 that's not my forte. So and we see them come 0:49:25.280 --> 0:49:28.320 out of not limos, but SUVs. We see Chris Harrison, 0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:31.879 we see a mansion. We see that they have packages, 0:49:32.040 --> 0:49:36.800 and in true bachelor fashion, there's a love triangle, which 0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:40.120 was great with our girl Jamie, who's good teething from 0:49:40.160 --> 0:49:43.400 the jump. You know, she's good. And I said this 0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:46.160 a little bit earlier in the podcast, but I love 0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:49.279 Jamie because for the first couple of minutes that she's there, 0:49:49.320 --> 0:49:51.399 she's like, I don't want drama and I just want 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:54.400 everyone to have a good time. And of course she's 0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:56.440 the one who said that, so she's the one who's 0:49:56.480 --> 0:50:00.160 gonna get sucked into that most drama. We see her 0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:03.000 kind of go between both Ryan and Trevor and not 0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:05.080 really know what to do. She's into both of them. 0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:09.919 They're both into her, and so I kind of feel 0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:13.480 for her. But I will say she is getting more 0:50:13.560 --> 0:50:18.440 of the Bachelor et experience, having multiple guys kind of 0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:21.680 fight over her. Yeah, you can tell Jamie as a 0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:24.400 person who gives her all into whatever it is that 0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:26.680 she's doing. She has a lot of passion. She's a 0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:28.960 big heart because see she wears it a little bit 0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:31.880 on her sleeve, and so she's just all in, you know. 0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:35.319 So we see her she gets there first. Ryan comes in, 0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:39.480 who's such a cutie, they immediately hit it off. They're 0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:41.600 the first people to meet each other, and she's in. 0:50:41.920 --> 0:50:47.600 She's in that thing until trevorson and she's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, 0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:49.640 wait wait, what's your name again? I'm sorry? Is it 0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:52.080 Brian or Ryan? I'm sorry because Trevor just walked in, 0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:57.520 I'm not quite sure. And which is a lesson learned 0:50:57.640 --> 0:50:59.680 people if you go on these shows that you kind 0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:01.879 of can't put all your eggs in one basket because 0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:04.799 you just never know who's going to walk through the door. 0:51:05.320 --> 0:51:08.280 But this is Jamie. This is almost like the essence 0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:10.520 of her. What's what you love so much about her? 0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:12.920 What is so charming because she goes all in So 0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:16.120 we see her in this love triangle between Jamie and Trevor. So, 0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:21.480 of course, again in true bachelor fashion, there's a day 0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:26.520 card given to Ryan and who does he take? Jamie? 0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:32.799 Of course he does, And you know, I feel for 0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:35.239 Jamie watching that because they're both cute guys, they both 0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:37.440 seem sweet, they both kind of I mean, throughout the 0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:40.360 episode they both sing to her, so it's like, I 0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:42.319 don't know, I felt for Jamie at the very end 0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:43.840 of the episode because I was like, shit, I don't know. 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:46.080 If I'm in my rose too, I would just have 0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:47.839 pulled a name out of a hat. At that point, 0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:52.680 I think, um, and then we get Okay. Another contestant 0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:54.319 who I really liked too, I still want to talk 0:51:54.320 --> 0:51:59.080 about is Rudy. Now, I personally, from what I've seen 0:51:59.160 --> 0:52:01.080 of her, I personal like her. I think she I 0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:03.760 keep saying the word spunky, but she just like seems 0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:08.280 to have this zest for life. And I also really 0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:10.680 liked So I was looking up all the contestant bios 0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:12.480 and I was like, oh, you know, and this was 0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:14.040 prior to Rudy singing, and I was like, I want 0:52:14.040 --> 0:52:16.160 to hear Rudy sing because she's she has the pop 0:52:16.280 --> 0:52:20.160 R and B background, and so we see her, you know, 0:52:20.560 --> 0:52:22.520 kind of hit it off with Matt and be into him. 0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:24.480 But like later on in the episode, when she sings 0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:28.560 and you feel like the passion behind her emotions, I 0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:33.160 was like, I want more of her voice. Yeah, no, Rudy. 0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:35.920 There's definitely a lot to get into with Rudy because 0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:39.839 Rudy switched it up real fat, real quick and a hurry. 0:52:39.880 --> 0:52:41.960 So I want to I want to do Rudy, but 0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:45.080 I definitely want to finish Jamie, Ryan and Trevor. Because 0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:48.000 something that stood out to me with Ryan and Jamie 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:51.760 when they first had that conversation was when he shared 0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:54.760 his story. So it's like, I get why Jamie falls 0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.880 for him because he's cute. She already says, that's my type. 0:52:57.880 --> 0:53:00.759 You're the typical guy that I go for. And then 0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:03.160 he tells a story about him having brain surgery when 0:53:03.200 --> 0:53:05.520 he was only six years old, and you see him 0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:09.040 but obviously he fought through that because he is where 0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:13.360 he is today. But he's also this insanely talented musician. 0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:17.440 So he's got this story of I don't know if 0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:19.680 the word is redemption, but just this story where he's 0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:23.480 a fighter. You it resonates with you. You attach that 0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:26.520 to him in addition to everything else that he presents 0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:30.160 in the physical way and as far as his talent. 0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:32.839 So it's like, how in the world do you not 0:53:32.920 --> 0:53:35.680 pick Ryan? And then Trevor comes in and she falls 0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:38.280 for Trevor. So yes, Ryan gets a date card, takes 0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:41.920 Jamie on the date, and they go to Capitol Records. 0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:44.319 Didn't surprise me. Didn't surprise me that they were going 0:53:44.320 --> 0:53:48.120 to Capitol Records. I had PTSD watching them pull up 0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:51.320 to Capitol Records because that's where I had a date 0:53:51.360 --> 0:53:58.439 with Chris Randone aka Goose and did he rice we 0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:01.439 had to? Yes, we had to? Did we? I don't 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:03.400 even remember what we did on that day. Oh, he 0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:05.520 had like a freak out panic moment and then we 0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:08.080 had to sing. And I was mortified. And so when 0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:12.480 I and I haven't bumped to Capitol Records, I was like, 0:54:12.680 --> 0:54:17.000 oh no, but obviously, like this is their profession, so 0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:21.040 it's different for them. People that should be at Capitol 0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:25.720 Record they belong there. Chris and I not so much. Yeah, 0:54:25.800 --> 0:54:28.799 I mean, I thought it was pretty cool that not 0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:30.840 only did they go to Capital Records, which I wasn't surprised. 0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:32.920 I'm like, okay, musicians are going to Capital Records, but 0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:36.239 then for them to go in sing a John Mayer song, 0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:39.480 but then work with the music producer John Ezelia, who 0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:42.680 worked with John Mayer on the song. So it's they're 0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:50.879 getting the whole experience, which gravity Becca Gravity. I don't 0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:53.920 know what year that came out in, but I was 0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:57.120 going through something when that song came out, like that 0:54:57.280 --> 0:55:00.120 song speaks to me in a whole other way. So 0:55:00.120 --> 0:55:02.160 when they were like we're going to sing gravity. I 0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:03.840 thought were Jamie, I would have been crying all the 0:55:03.880 --> 0:55:07.680 way through it. I would have been like, this song, Oh, 0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:10.600 it's just it's my favorite John Mayers song. And even 0:55:10.640 --> 0:55:15.000 before so in my notes, before Ryan took Jamie on 0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:16.840 that date and we knew what they were going to 0:55:16.920 --> 0:55:21.520 be doing, I wrote that where's my notes, Ryan equals 0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:24.880 John Mayer is what I wrote. He has the look 0:55:25.160 --> 0:55:29.200 ye is like John Mayer and just and so when 0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:30.960 I'm watching them, I was like, of course they're going 0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:34.760 to sing a John Mayer song because he's basically there. Yeah, 0:55:34.920 --> 0:55:37.359 I guess I didn't put that together, so maybe they 0:55:37.400 --> 0:55:40.480 picked that because I mean, who knows, But then did you? 0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:45.600 Did you see? Though? Moving on from Ryan to Trevor, 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:48.080 when Trevor then sings to Jamie later on he sings 0:55:48.080 --> 0:55:50.200 the slow Dancing in the Burning Room that he actually 0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:54.560 sang that song to us. But I even said before 0:55:54.560 --> 0:55:56.600 he started singing us like, don't sing a John Mayer's song, 0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:58.640 don't sing a John Mayer's song. And of course he does, 0:55:58.680 --> 0:56:01.040 and I was like, Trevor would pick a John Mayer 0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:05.720 So yeah, I know, but isn't that kind of for me? Personally, 0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:07.200 I would want to switch it up and to have 0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:11.279 something so completely different than what she experienced with another man. 0:56:11.960 --> 0:56:15.320 Can we be messy for a SECONDA who sang the 0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:23.239 John Mayer song better? Ryan or Trevor? Okay, this could 0:56:23.280 --> 0:56:26.799 be an unpopular opinion, but I actually like Trevor's voice 0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:30.839 better than Ryan. Hell no, it was definitely Ryan. It 0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:34.960 was definitely Ryan saying Ryan. He didn't sing it as 0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:36.640 well when they were sitting by the fireside chat and 0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:37.919 they told him to put it on the spot when 0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:41.319 he was in the studio and he sang, I looked, 0:56:41.640 --> 0:56:43.839 I'm sorry. Is that that? That voice just come from 0:56:43.960 --> 0:56:47.520 Ryan whole nother level. He kind of has a Seawan 0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:50.600 Mendez esque voice. I think, No, he looks like a 0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:54.160 Sean Mendez. I think he looks like John Mayer. He 0:56:54.200 --> 0:56:56.080 does look like John Mayer to me, But I mean, like, 0:56:56.239 --> 0:56:57.799 I don't know they favor Okay, I just looked up. 0:56:57.840 --> 0:57:00.760 Gravity came out in two thousand and five. Okay, around 0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:03.879 the same time There Delia, the same time, Hey, there 0:57:03.920 --> 0:57:07.279 Delia was going I was going through a breakup at 0:57:07.320 --> 0:57:13.920 that time. Yeah, that song, so yes, I Jamie definitely 0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:18.080 also was winning that night. Because she had two very attractive, 0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:22.280 talented men fighting over her in this first episode and 0:57:22.480 --> 0:57:24.800 they both sang to her at the same time too. 0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:28.720 So anyways, I don't know how you say no to 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:33.640 Ryan after that date of him singing make this, because 0:57:33.640 --> 0:57:36.040 he also held her hand because she was really nervous. 0:57:36.160 --> 0:57:40.160 She and he guided her through that and really kind 0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:42.000 of carried her through the song. And I thought her 0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:44.680 voice was amazing too, but it was she said it. 0:57:44.680 --> 0:57:46.600 She's like, my voice doesn't match. It's not my genre. 0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:49.200 And I was like, girl, stop, you sound amazing. She 0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:52.560 and I and that's why. Okay, So fresh off the bat, 0:57:52.600 --> 0:57:54.960 when we first met Jamie, I liked her, but then 0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:59.640 watching her on that date, I found her more relatable. 0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:01.840 I liked the nerves. I liked the fact that, yes, 0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:03.880 she's an amazing singer and she's on the show for 0:58:03.920 --> 0:58:08.120 a reason, but she still was hesitant and scared to 0:58:08.200 --> 0:58:10.080 do that because, like you said, she didn't think it 0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:12.200 was her genre. It was you know, she was singing 0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:16.000 with this new handsome man, and so I liked that. 0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:18.920 I found it very endearing and kind of cute that 0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:22.200 she she was more you know, hesitant with and at 0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:25.560 that date at that moment. Um. Okay, I feel like 0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:27.760 we're jumping all over the place, though, But can we 0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:32.400 just for one second talk about because we didn't talk 0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:36.840 about him coming out of the suv um Josh, so 0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:40.840 he was called another another one of the guys said 0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:45.560 that he was the jacked mister Clean. He was I 0:58:45.720 --> 0:58:50.160 phoned him so attractive. I mean his jaw line. Everyone 0:58:50.280 --> 0:58:52.360 go back if you missed him, just look at his 0:58:52.440 --> 0:58:56.960 jaw line please. I mean, I remember cackling when the 0:58:57.000 --> 0:58:59.520 guy said the jacked mister Clean. I was like, Wow, 0:58:59.560 --> 0:59:04.640 that was really an on point comparison. But he didn't 0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:07.040 really we didn't really see much of his personality, and 0:59:07.120 --> 0:59:10.720 I'm such a personality person so I mean, maybe he's great, 0:59:10.720 --> 0:59:13.720 but I just I couldn't get past the jacked mister clean. 0:59:13.840 --> 0:59:16.120 I mean, after that he lived on a bottle of 0:59:16.160 --> 0:59:18.440 cleaning supplies for me, and I just never saw anything 0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:22.520 past that. So I don't want to talk about the 0:59:22.680 --> 0:59:26.280 endings just yet, what happens with this love triangle. But 0:59:26.480 --> 0:59:31.000 you mentioned Rudy and that fabulous voice of hers, So 0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:33.360 I want to talk about Rudy and Matt because we 0:59:33.520 --> 0:59:36.960 see Rudy hit it off with that super quick, and 0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:39.000 we're like, oh, we don't even need to keep at 0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:40.440 least I was like, I don't even need to keep 0:59:40.440 --> 0:59:43.000 paying attention to him. This is a done deal. They 0:59:43.040 --> 0:59:46.080 seem to really connect. She's into him, he's into her. 0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:51.040 And then we see that awkward moment in the hot tip. 0:59:51.200 --> 0:59:53.840 What what did you take on that, Like, did you 0:59:53.840 --> 0:59:55.920 think it was awkward or did you understand where Rudy 0:59:56.000 --> 1:00:01.320 was coming from? Um? No, it was definitely awkward. It was. 1:00:01.360 --> 1:00:03.080 And this is something that I wanted to ask you 1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:06.640 because Matt asked, Rudy, do you judge a person by 1:00:06.680 --> 1:00:10.440 how they kiss? So, Rachel, I'm gonna let's let's talk 1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:12.360 about this, and then I'm gonna ask you the same question. 1:00:13.520 --> 1:00:17.360 It was weird because it's like I can see both sides. 1:00:17.360 --> 1:00:19.840 I can see why Rudy maybe wants to wait because 1:00:19.880 --> 1:00:22.320 she wants to still talk to some of the other 1:00:22.320 --> 1:00:24.400 guys and not, as you said, throw all the eggs 1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:28.400 in one basket. But if you're feeling someone, you're feeling someone, 1:00:28.480 --> 1:00:32.120 and in this scenario, you don't have all the time 1:00:32.120 --> 1:00:33.720 in the world, so you really want to try to 1:00:33.760 --> 1:00:36.160 make a connection. And it seems like they were it 1:00:36.160 --> 1:00:38.600 seems like they were both really into each other. And 1:00:38.640 --> 1:00:41.040 so when she when he asks her that and then 1:00:41.080 --> 1:00:44.040 she you know, goes underwater and then pops up and 1:00:44.040 --> 1:00:47.040 it is just like talking her makeup. I'm like, this 1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:49.240 is ruoney in the moment, like he just wants to see, 1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:52.520 like he wants a kiss. He's not being awkward like 1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:56.000 how Michael Todd was saying, Oh, I like your lips, 1:00:56.040 --> 1:00:58.040 Like he's asking her a question about it to see 1:00:58.040 --> 1:01:01.840 where it can maybe go. So it was kind of 1:01:01.880 --> 1:01:07.920 a letdown, and I think that's where their problems started 1:01:08.040 --> 1:01:11.320 because then Matt walked away being like, I don't know, 1:01:11.360 --> 1:01:13.120 I thought it was going great and she kind of 1:01:13.160 --> 1:01:17.040 just like flipped and didn't want to like see where 1:01:17.040 --> 1:01:19.640 this could go type of thing. Um it was. It 1:01:19.680 --> 1:01:23.480 was awkward, yeah, I mean I definitely was like, Okay, 1:01:23.720 --> 1:01:27.240 they're they're flirty. You agreed to get in the hot tub. Girl. 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:30.560 You agreed to take off your clothes, get into a 1:01:30.600 --> 1:01:33.080 little bathing suit, get in the hot tub where things 1:01:33.120 --> 1:01:35.520 get hot and steamy. You have to be close to 1:01:35.560 --> 1:01:38.200 each other, you're wet, I mean, and then you have 1:01:38.320 --> 1:01:40.960 your aerial moment where you dip yourself in the pool 1:01:41.520 --> 1:01:44.680 rise or the hot tub, arise from it, slick your 1:01:44.680 --> 1:01:47.240 hair back, and it's like you're turning this man on. 1:01:47.720 --> 1:01:50.440 I just felt like it wasn't awkward for him to 1:01:51.080 --> 1:01:55.920 insinuate that they kiss if she didn't want to. I 1:01:56.000 --> 1:01:59.720 also understand that because I too did not want to 1:01:59.760 --> 1:02:02.200 kiss anybody the first night of the Bachelorette, and then 1:02:02.240 --> 1:02:05.360 I went all in with Brian because I was, like 1:02:05.400 --> 1:02:07.080 you said, Beck, I thought, Okay, I'm just gonna be 1:02:07.160 --> 1:02:09.320 in the moment. I'm not gonna push it away. But 1:02:09.400 --> 1:02:12.240 I felt like he was hinting at it. So Rudy 1:02:12.240 --> 1:02:14.280 could have played it better. She could have kind of 1:02:14.280 --> 1:02:17.959 been like, m I know where you're going. I want 1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:20.080 to kiss you too. I want to go there. I 1:02:20.200 --> 1:02:23.640 like you, I'm feeling you, but I kind of want 1:02:23.680 --> 1:02:25.960 to save it for it another day, like if you 1:02:26.000 --> 1:02:27.720 get a date car, take me on a one on 1:02:27.720 --> 1:02:30.080 one or I'll take you, and let's save it for 1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:32.320 a second, because I promised myself I wouldn't kiss somebody 1:02:32.320 --> 1:02:33.480 the first night, you know what I mean. She could 1:02:33.480 --> 1:02:35.640 have played it in a different way. Instead, it was like, 1:02:35.800 --> 1:02:37.360 you want to get out of the hot tub, Okay, 1:02:37.400 --> 1:02:40.640 let's go Yeah, she's just more worried about like, oh, woman, 1:02:40.760 --> 1:02:43.840 makeup's running now and I look terrible and what it 1:02:43.920 --> 1:02:45.800 was just weird? Um, but rich, I do want to 1:02:45.800 --> 1:02:48.040 ask you, because Matt asked her this, do you judge 1:02:48.040 --> 1:02:52.760 a person by how they kid? I'm a kisser. I'm 1:02:52.760 --> 1:02:56.640 a kisser, But I also feel like I'm not gonna 1:02:56.960 --> 1:02:59.880 judge you on the first impression. Sometimes maybe you're nerve, 1:03:00.280 --> 1:03:03.080 maybe you're a little awkward. So there have been times 1:03:03.080 --> 1:03:05.760 where I'm like, and this happened on the bat strette. 1:03:06.440 --> 1:03:11.080 I can rehabilitate you. I can teach you how to 1:03:11.280 --> 1:03:14.640 kiss better. Maybe you haven't. Maybe you haven't learned. Maybe 1:03:14.640 --> 1:03:17.200 you haven't kissed somebody with full lips like this. Maybe 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:19.600 like nobody's taught you sometimes should be taught. You know, 1:03:19.840 --> 1:03:22.720 the same thing goes for sex. So I thought, Okay, 1:03:22.760 --> 1:03:27.160 I can rehabilitate you. That doesn't always work. Then I'm 1:03:27.200 --> 1:03:29.760 judging you by your kiss because if you can't kiss right, 1:03:30.120 --> 1:03:33.000 you can't do anything right to me physically. That's just 1:03:33.040 --> 1:03:36.560 how I feel like kissing. That's bad. That's like first base, 1:03:36.760 --> 1:03:40.920 you know, Yeah, how are we going to run the 1:03:40.960 --> 1:03:43.960 second If you don't know how to kiss me well, 1:03:44.000 --> 1:03:46.520 I want to Well, I won't put you on the spot, 1:03:46.520 --> 1:03:48.320 but I do want to know who is the worst kisser. 1:03:48.440 --> 1:03:51.240 I'll tell you. I will without a doubt. I can 1:03:51.280 --> 1:03:53.439 tell you off the bat who it was, and I'll 1:03:53.440 --> 1:03:56.160 tell you off camera because I like this person and 1:03:56.200 --> 1:04:00.000 I don't want to be rude. We'll share. I'm gonna 1:04:00.040 --> 1:04:03.080 call you after this, we'll chat. But I agree. I 1:04:03.120 --> 1:04:07.040 do think, uh, like when you when when you have 1:04:07.080 --> 1:04:09.600 that connection with someone for the most part, I mean, 1:04:09.680 --> 1:04:12.320 I've only had a couple bad kisses in my life. 1:04:12.320 --> 1:04:15.160 Like for the most part, most people have been pretty good, 1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:18.760 especially when you're into someone. Um, but yes, people like you, 1:04:19.680 --> 1:04:22.120 you need to be a good kisser. Yeah, Like it's 1:04:22.120 --> 1:04:25.320 a there's a language with it, there's a movement, a rhythm, 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:27.160 and if we can't get it there, we're not going 1:04:27.240 --> 1:04:30.240 to find that rhythm anywhere. You know, Thank you, So 1:04:30.280 --> 1:04:32.400 I do. There's a song about it if you want 1:04:32.400 --> 1:04:34.400 to know if he loves you, so, it's in his kiss. 1:04:34.800 --> 1:04:39.000 That's where it is. Where it is. I don't know 1:04:39.040 --> 1:04:41.120 why it is. I I don't even know the rest 1:04:41.120 --> 1:04:43.280 of the words. I just know that part I love. 1:04:44.040 --> 1:04:47.560 If you wanna know if he loves you. So we 1:04:47.600 --> 1:04:49.720 did that last episode. Let's not do that again. Cut 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:53.480 that part out. That was a fun game. I want 1:04:53.480 --> 1:05:00.400 to do that every day. Well that's hard pass. H Okay. 1:05:00.480 --> 1:05:05.680 So I totally understand Matt for not for reading Rudy like, oh, 1:05:05.680 --> 1:05:08.160 maybe she's just not that into me. If she didn't 1:05:08.160 --> 1:05:10.240 want to give me a kiss, he was probably thinking 1:05:10.280 --> 1:05:12.960 I read it wrong. So let me not put all 1:05:13.000 --> 1:05:14.680 my eggs in one basket and let me go talk 1:05:14.720 --> 1:05:17.280 to someone else. So I get why he moved on 1:05:17.440 --> 1:05:21.280 to Mel. I totally understand why he took Mel on 1:05:21.320 --> 1:05:25.280 the date. What I don't understand because we see he 1:05:25.320 --> 1:05:27.080 gets a date card and he picks Mel and they 1:05:27.160 --> 1:05:29.240 go on the plane white Teas date, and we didn't 1:05:29.280 --> 1:05:32.040 really see much of that. But what I don't understand 1:05:32.760 --> 1:05:36.439 is whatever this conversation was that Rudy and Matt had 1:05:36.520 --> 1:05:39.000 that led Rudy to believe that he was taking her 1:05:39.000 --> 1:05:41.600 on a date. And then he makes the comment, well, 1:05:41.600 --> 1:05:44.520 I thought that's what I was supposed to do. And 1:05:44.560 --> 1:05:48.960 I'm confused, do you I'm so confused. Maybe you understood it. 1:05:48.960 --> 1:05:52.000 It was confusing, And I will say, so, you know, 1:05:52.360 --> 1:05:54.600 night one, we see that awkward interaction with Matt and 1:05:54.640 --> 1:05:57.880 Rudy go on to the next day. You really don't 1:05:58.040 --> 1:06:01.960 see Matt and Mel that much, like you see the 1:06:02.000 --> 1:06:04.440 moment where he pulls her away to chit chat, and 1:06:04.480 --> 1:06:07.720 then of course he goes and pulls Rudy. But like 1:06:07.880 --> 1:06:10.560 when he was when he was gonna say a name 1:06:11.080 --> 1:06:12.680 to go on that date, I thought he was going 1:06:12.760 --> 1:06:15.360 to say Rudy. So I don't know where the disconnect was. 1:06:15.400 --> 1:06:17.400 Obviously there's more that we didn't see go down that 1:06:17.440 --> 1:06:21.720 they can't put into a show. But I mean, and 1:06:21.800 --> 1:06:25.520 we don't see the moment where apparently, as Rudy said, 1:06:25.720 --> 1:06:28.040 Matt had told her he was going to pick her, 1:06:28.080 --> 1:06:30.800 and I wish we could, so we'll really never know. 1:06:31.120 --> 1:06:35.800 But do you think that he picked Mel to make 1:06:35.840 --> 1:06:38.480 her jealous? Like he never was into Mel, He was 1:06:38.520 --> 1:06:40.880 just trying to see, let me see if this lights 1:06:40.880 --> 1:06:47.360 a fire under Rudy. I don't know. I think honestly, 1:06:47.440 --> 1:06:50.520 I think it was just him being a dude and 1:06:50.680 --> 1:06:54.600 like not thinking straight. I just I never saw it 1:06:54.680 --> 1:06:58.200 before up until that point, him really talking to mellor 1:06:58.280 --> 1:07:02.040 seeing any sort of connection there. So and of course 1:07:02.080 --> 1:07:04.600 we didn't see it on the date. I just think 1:07:05.600 --> 1:07:08.600 he I don't know. I think that there's a lot 1:07:08.640 --> 1:07:14.000 that we didn't see, and I think that I don't 1:07:14.000 --> 1:07:16.240 know how much I want to say here. I think 1:07:16.360 --> 1:07:20.320 that like like Paradise, we've seen it before, where you 1:07:20.440 --> 1:07:23.840 think someone's going to pick a certain person and they don't, 1:07:23.920 --> 1:07:26.800 And I don't know if it's time apart deciding who 1:07:26.840 --> 1:07:29.760 to pick, and like, I don't know, I think that's 1:07:29.800 --> 1:07:34.280 kind of what played into it. But I mean, rightly, so, 1:07:34.320 --> 1:07:37.720 if if Matt did tell Rudy in that conversation that hey, 1:07:37.840 --> 1:07:39.560 I'm going to pick you for this date, I'll be 1:07:39.640 --> 1:07:41.320 right back. I'll come get to you in a little bit, 1:07:41.880 --> 1:07:44.160 I mean, I'd be just as pissed as she as 1:07:44.200 --> 1:07:46.280 she was. I mean, i'd probably hold it in and 1:07:46.400 --> 1:07:51.040 deliver it differently. But if that was the actual conversation, 1:07:51.200 --> 1:07:54.880 rightly so, she should be upset. And I do love 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:58.040 that she well, I love that she told him off. 1:07:58.800 --> 1:08:00.240 At first, I was kind of like, well, this is 1:08:00.280 --> 1:08:02.840 a little a lot too soon, because if I was mad, 1:08:02.840 --> 1:08:04.440 I would be like, wait a minute, now I'm seeing 1:08:04.440 --> 1:08:06.240 a totally different side of her, which side is the 1:08:06.280 --> 1:08:08.360 real Rudy? But then I understood if he did say 1:08:08.400 --> 1:08:11.560 those things to her why she was upset. I was also, well, 1:08:11.560 --> 1:08:13.120 I don't want to say that part yet, but I was. 1:08:13.280 --> 1:08:17.080 I'm glad that she did that. But selfishly, this sounds 1:08:17.120 --> 1:08:18.760 so bad, y'all. Don't don't get mad at me for 1:08:18.760 --> 1:08:22.240 saying this. I'm so sad that Rudy had her heartbroken 1:08:22.320 --> 1:08:27.080 that night. But raise your hand right now if you 1:08:27.120 --> 1:08:29.639 were a little excited that you also got that beautiful 1:08:29.640 --> 1:08:32.120 song out of Rudy because she was heartbroken, I said, well, 1:08:32.800 --> 1:08:36.320 music could make the best, like the best songs. She 1:08:36.479 --> 1:08:40.600 sang that smile song. I said, oh, thank you, Matt, 1:08:40.600 --> 1:08:44.639 Thank you Matt. We'll breaking got this beautiful song. Yeah, 1:08:44.680 --> 1:08:46.519 and we would not have gotten that. We wouldn't have 1:08:46.600 --> 1:08:50.240 heard her had he not picked Mel for this date. 1:08:50.400 --> 1:08:53.160 I mean, I, like I said earlier, I want to 1:08:53.200 --> 1:08:56.679 hear Rudy sing more. Her vocal like that in that moment. 1:08:56.800 --> 1:08:59.880 You helped the passion, You felt the motion behind her words, 1:09:00.560 --> 1:09:04.799 and it was like velvet like her voice in that moment. 1:09:04.920 --> 1:09:06.479 So I want to hear more of her. You guys, 1:09:06.880 --> 1:09:09.080 Rudy Butter get a rose next week and keep her room, 1:09:09.120 --> 1:09:11.559 because I want to hear more of that. Chris is 1:09:11.600 --> 1:09:14.479 insanely talented. And we didn't really talk about Chris because 1:09:14.600 --> 1:09:18.000 Chris and Brie hit it off and like, there's no drama, 1:09:18.439 --> 1:09:22.080 their natural surprise couple. But I'm glad, Well, Okay, what 1:09:22.200 --> 1:09:24.200 I was going to say is even Chris is so 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:27.519 insanely talented, and he's always on the piano getting music started, 1:09:27.800 --> 1:09:32.280 and his reaction when Rudy started singing, he was like, oh, like, 1:09:32.760 --> 1:09:35.280 I wasn't expecting that. I was like, Chris, we are 1:09:35.320 --> 1:09:37.040 all of you at the moment. But what I was 1:09:37.040 --> 1:09:38.840 going to say about Chris and Bree is there's really 1:09:38.880 --> 1:09:40.839 not much to say about him because there's no drama. 1:09:40.880 --> 1:09:43.400 But what I love about the Chris and Bree relationship 1:09:43.920 --> 1:09:47.839 is that that is that's what makes this whole process beautiful. 1:09:48.640 --> 1:09:50.840 You think you have a type, you think you know 1:09:50.960 --> 1:09:54.000 exactly who you're going to date because of what you've 1:09:54.080 --> 1:09:57.519 dated before, and then you step into this bubble, this world, 1:09:58.120 --> 1:10:02.120 and you have all the outside to tractions moved away 1:10:02.160 --> 1:10:04.959 and all that outside noise and you're really just focusing 1:10:05.000 --> 1:10:07.439 on what it is that you want for yourself, and 1:10:07.520 --> 1:10:12.040 you are so beautifully surprised and it may be someone 1:10:12.080 --> 1:10:13.800 that you never thought that you were going to be with. Bore. 1:10:13.960 --> 1:10:15.840 I mean, like I can honestly say that about Brian, 1:10:15.880 --> 1:10:18.960 Like I was attracted to Brian, but I got to 1:10:19.000 --> 1:10:21.719 really see him in the bubble and now we're married. 1:10:21.800 --> 1:10:24.160 And so I see that with Brie and Chris, like 1:10:24.240 --> 1:10:26.960 they that they're like a beautiful surprise. I wouldn't have 1:10:27.000 --> 1:10:28.320 known that they would have been together, and I bet 1:10:28.360 --> 1:10:30.720 they would say the same thing, well, and they're I mean, 1:10:30.760 --> 1:10:32.640 we didn't see too too much of them in that 1:10:32.680 --> 1:10:35.080 first episode, but we did see a moment for like 1:10:35.160 --> 1:10:37.800 two minutes where they were sitting down kind of you know, 1:10:37.800 --> 1:10:40.799 holding each other's hands to each other's legs on the couch, 1:10:41.120 --> 1:10:43.600 and that moment, it was just cute. And that's what 1:10:43.680 --> 1:10:45.360 I wrote in my notes. It was a cute moment 1:10:45.439 --> 1:10:48.519 where she's like, I'm serious when I tell you I 1:10:48.560 --> 1:10:50.600 feel like we have a connection and I want you 1:10:50.680 --> 1:10:53.280 to be holding my hand and he is reciprocating that, 1:10:53.360 --> 1:10:55.680 and it's like they're kind of I mean, it's like 1:10:55.720 --> 1:10:57.920 a new relationship blossom. And I felt like it's like 1:10:57.960 --> 1:11:00.280 that new young love like where you get it started 1:11:00.320 --> 1:11:01.800 in high school and it's just sweet. It was just 1:11:01.840 --> 1:11:06.360 a sweet, sweet moment. And then one other little triangle 1:11:06.400 --> 1:11:08.280 that we see go down, and we'll just touch on 1:11:08.360 --> 1:11:10.880 this quickly because it wasn't as juicy as the other ones, 1:11:10.920 --> 1:11:13.720 I felt like. But between Julia and her two men, 1:11:13.760 --> 1:11:16.240 I mean, we had Sheridan who was chasing after her, 1:11:16.600 --> 1:11:23.439 and then also it was Josh, right, Josh was involved too. Yeah, 1:11:23.479 --> 1:11:26.880 I think Josh. Josh was really into Julia. Yes, So 1:11:26.920 --> 1:11:30.840 between those two, I mean, from how we saw the 1:11:30.880 --> 1:11:34.040 conversations play out, I knew at that Rose ceremony she 1:11:34.080 --> 1:11:36.400 was going to pick Sheridan because they just showed more 1:11:36.439 --> 1:11:38.960 than like he he wrote that new song for her, 1:11:39.000 --> 1:11:41.439 He's saying to her. That night they shared that kiss. Yes, 1:11:41.800 --> 1:11:44.439 she also shared a kiss with Josh. But I knew, 1:11:44.720 --> 1:11:46.920 I knew watched it. It was like, it's gonna be Sheridan. 1:11:47.360 --> 1:11:50.080 Hand's down. Yeah, I'm glad it Sheridan, I like sharedon 1:11:50.200 --> 1:11:52.760 he stands out, Thank God, Michael Todd. Okay, So we 1:11:52.760 --> 1:11:56.320 get to the Rose ceremony, we pretty much see Jamie's 1:11:56.360 --> 1:12:00.920 surprise surprise she picks Ryan. No, Jamie, see, because in 1:12:00.960 --> 1:12:02.800 my mind she should have picked Ryan. That's what I 1:12:02.840 --> 1:12:05.599 was thinking poor Ryan gave us all, went on a date, 1:12:05.680 --> 1:12:08.240 was like, what more could I have done? But thank god, 1:12:08.320 --> 1:12:10.560 Rudy saves him. Thank goodness. She also doesn't give it 1:12:10.600 --> 1:12:12.759 to Matt. I like that she stood strong in her beliefs. 1:12:12.960 --> 1:12:17.400 But we see Cheyenne, it's her name. Cheyenne gives her 1:12:17.479 --> 1:12:20.559 rose to Matt. Brie and Chris of course give it 1:12:20.600 --> 1:12:24.240 to each other. We see Savannah give hers to Brandon, 1:12:25.120 --> 1:12:29.840 and Julia gives hers to Sheridan, and Mel gives hers 1:12:29.840 --> 1:12:31.519 to Gaye because they had a bit of a connection 1:12:31.560 --> 1:12:35.599 to Yes. So I guess, oh, I think goodness, Michael 1:12:35.640 --> 1:12:37.559 Todd is gone. The guy who was there just to 1:12:37.640 --> 1:12:42.240 advance his music career, beatbox songwright, play the guitar, singing 1:12:42.400 --> 1:12:45.519 like it awkwardly kiss people talk about nice lips. I mean, 1:12:45.600 --> 1:12:47.320 he was just the most. He did what he means 1:12:47.360 --> 1:12:49.720 to do. He was recognized. Now he can move on, 1:12:50.240 --> 1:12:54.880 so moving forward, I mean, I, oh, no, we have 1:12:54.920 --> 1:12:57.439 to do a rosen Thorn of the week. My rose 1:12:57.840 --> 1:13:02.559 goes to Ryan because I feel like he gave his all, 1:13:02.640 --> 1:13:04.639 poor thing, and it still didn't work out for him. 1:13:04.960 --> 1:13:06.960 So I'm hoping in the future it does. And my 1:13:07.160 --> 1:13:09.960 thorn goes to Michael Todd. Obviously, I mean the man 1:13:10.040 --> 1:13:12.080 had to go. He was a thorn and everybody's side 1:13:12.080 --> 1:13:16.040 this episode. Yes, my thorn would also go to Michael Todd. Again, 1:13:16.280 --> 1:13:18.960 I have an X through his name. That's all I 1:13:19.000 --> 1:13:23.200 have to say. My rose, though, I'm gonna give it 1:13:23.240 --> 1:13:28.040 to Rudy because she and I know this is probably 1:13:28.080 --> 1:13:31.000 gonna be an unpopular opinion. Some people are gonna be like, oh, well, 1:13:31.040 --> 1:13:32.920 she was too much, she freaked out on Matt. It 1:13:32.960 --> 1:13:36.679 was over the top. I don't think so. And her vocals, 1:13:37.280 --> 1:13:40.040 like that song itself here and her sing that gets 1:13:40.040 --> 1:13:43.320 my rose. So there you go. No, it was great. Okay, 1:13:43.320 --> 1:13:45.799 So we hope you guys, if you have didn't watch 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:49.479 last night, maybe listening to this episode really let you 1:13:49.520 --> 1:13:51.479 know that you're missing something great. And it's only the 1:13:51.520 --> 1:13:54.720 first episodes. We have so much more to watch. We 1:13:54.840 --> 1:13:56.559 got a little bit of a tease and we've seen 1:13:56.600 --> 1:14:00.840 some promos, so I guess moving forward, we know that 1:14:00.960 --> 1:14:02.800 there are more people to come in the house, which 1:14:02.840 --> 1:14:06.040 I can't wait because everybody's been insanely talented. There's like 1:14:06.160 --> 1:14:08.960 everyone has a story, so I'm excited to see who's coming. 1:14:09.040 --> 1:14:11.400 I believe it's going to be some women that are 1:14:11.400 --> 1:14:13.840 coming in. It has to be right, because we eliminated 1:14:13.920 --> 1:14:15.880 four mints, We've got to get some women in here. 1:14:17.880 --> 1:14:19.920 We're gonna be three new girls next week that come 1:14:19.960 --> 1:14:23.839 into the house. M And as we've seen in the teaser, 1:14:23.960 --> 1:14:27.080 a shocking relation is made about one of the contestants 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:32.880 past relationships. Wh you need some drama of a past 1:14:32.960 --> 1:14:35.960 relationship in any season people, Yes, And we know that 1:14:36.000 --> 1:14:38.840 they're going to be four date cards next episode, so 1:14:39.000 --> 1:14:42.920 that means more dates, more connections, and probably more breakups, 1:14:42.960 --> 1:14:46.880 more dramas, which is great. More drama. Um And I 1:14:46.920 --> 1:14:49.680 would imagine that everyone was on their best behavior in 1:14:49.720 --> 1:14:53.680 this episode, so I'm pretty sure that we're going to 1:14:53.720 --> 1:14:57.040 see some things. All I can say is is it's 1:14:57.040 --> 1:15:00.719 been already known that I'm on an episod so earlier, 1:15:00.800 --> 1:15:02.759 so I know you're about to see some true colors 1:15:02.760 --> 1:15:05.040 if some people come out, because I saw it on 1:15:05.080 --> 1:15:06.960 the episode that I was on, And I'm just gonna 1:15:07.040 --> 1:15:12.000 leave you right there. I'm just gonna right there. No, 1:15:12.200 --> 1:15:15.760 I can't wait. Like you said, everyone's always on their 1:15:15.760 --> 1:15:19.760 best behavior. Night one that can't last very long. So 1:15:19.920 --> 1:15:23.040 everyone you're just gonna have to tune in next week 1:15:23.080 --> 1:15:26.120 to see what goes down. 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