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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fake. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: argue you are here. That makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 3: don't want you to know. Uh, let's begin this way.

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Speaker 3: Who is the most off the grid person you've ever met? You?

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Speaker 3: Is that true? Because yeah, yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 4: It's a fairest You're you're an off the grid esque individual.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't you say I would here on the internet?

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Speaker 4: Okay, well yeah, I mean you are shrouded in mystery.

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Speaker 3: That's very kind. I don't know, no, you.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're definitely the most go baggy type person

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Speaker 4: that I know, very prepared, very aware of all the

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Speaker 4: threats that face us from the you know, corporate and

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Speaker 4: governmental overlords.

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, thank you man. I appreciate that. Of course,

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Speaker 3: what I'm not the most off the grid person I

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Speaker 3: know by any means.

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Speaker 4: Well off the grid people, no other off the grid people, right, sure,

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Speaker 4: what about you.

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Speaker 2: Met a friend of mine from high school moved out

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Speaker 2: kind of in the middle of the nowhere to a farm,

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Speaker 2: which is I guess the closest thing that I know.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean they don't have internet or they

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Speaker 2: don't go to stores to buy their food and stuff.

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Speaker 3: So right, yeah, they probably still have a credit score.

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Speaker 3: Odds are anybody that we call off the grid that

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Speaker 3: you know is still largely aware of modern life. But

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Speaker 3: if we take the isolation a step further, we're all

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Speaker 3: gonna know about the rumors that's somewhere out there, in

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Speaker 3: isolated patches of wilderness or deep remote jungle, there are

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Speaker 3: groups of people who genuinely have no real interaction with

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Speaker 3: the modern world. This is becoming increasingly important. You'll see

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Speaker 3: what inspired this episode as we continue. For now, fellow

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Speaker 3: conspiracy realist, we're getting into the fact and fiction of

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Speaker 3: so called uncontacted tribes. Here are the facts, all right,

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Speaker 3: what is an uncontacted tribe or community?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so, while many of us may be familiar with

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Speaker 4: the concept of uncontacted tribes, there's sort of a new

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Speaker 4: term that experts are throwing around uncontacted peoples. They don't

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Speaker 4: know who the president is, for example, and they don't

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Speaker 4: particularly care. They have their own way of life, their

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Speaker 4: They exist completely independently of political systems, external political systems

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's a great point. You might also hear

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Speaker 3: the more academic phrase indigenous peoples in voluntary isolation, and

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Speaker 3: that emphasizes that a particular group is aware of the

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Speaker 3: our next question is, if these groups are uncontacted, how

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Speaker 3: do we in the wider world know about them? In

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Speaker 3: the first place, the knowledge comes primarily from reports of

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Speaker 3: neighboring indigenous communities, historical records, and material evidence. Right. You

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Speaker 3: find the remnants of a campground, right, or an older

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Speaker 3: established record of human existence that's too recent to have been,

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Speaker 3: you know, thousands of years ago. And you also get,

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Speaker 3: as we talked about in our North Sentinel Island episodes

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Speaker 3: in the past, you get aerial footage. As a matter

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Speaker 3: of fact, the most well known example of quote unquote

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Speaker 3: uncontacted peoples is the is the community of North Sentinel Island.

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Speaker 3: Please do check out our investigation of that.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, that island has seen over the

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Speaker 2: past twenty years or so several instances where other people

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Speaker 2: go to, right, And that's how we learned a little

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Speaker 2: more about the tribe. That's another way that we learn

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or with the idea of extracting mineral resources, there's

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Speaker 3: So, and I'd love that we're getting to the history

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Speaker 3: folks are somehow quote not really human. So let's spin

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Speaker 3: this out. This creates a pattern that we see time

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Speaker 3: Matt not Matt Rife, Matt Prime, and I and you

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Speaker 3: listening along. We're in a forest tribe. We've been there forever.

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Speaker 3: We know the lay of the land. We're aware of

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Speaker 3: of those tribes one of our neighbor communities encounters conquistadors, right,

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Speaker 3: God forbid? Yeah, right, like the end of Apocalypto, and

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Speaker 3: they meet with disaster and we hear about it. So logically,

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Speaker 3: going to do next. Who could blame us for hitching

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Speaker 3: up our proverbial tent stakes and moving further away to safety.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not not great, dudes, It's true. So as a

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Speaker 4: modern day. Ben I think the example that comes to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, you nailed it. We're going to see more

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Speaker 3: With just this information at hand, just what like ten

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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's tough to not play the game unless

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Speaker 4: It's one of those things too, where it's like, in

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Speaker 4: this day and age, it almost it feels tantamount to

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Speaker 4: breaking the law to live that way, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean, Like, if you're not engaging with that kind

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Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, that calls to mind something I was

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Speaker 3: thinking about. Too old the Uh there's a novel by

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Speaker 4: You remember The Circle?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I think they made a film of the Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The film didn't look very good, but the book was cool.

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Speaker 4: They're still the Facebook you won, right, or they're like

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Speaker 4: the yeah, the big tech giant.

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Speaker 3: The big tech thing. Without spoiling it too much. There

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Speaker 3: But do check it out. I haven't seen the film either,

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Speaker 3: There's a parable there, right, there's a thematic commonality. All

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Speaker 3: because of that, it leads to our second factor, environmental degradation.

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Speaker 3: It's making it increasingly difficult for indigenous peoples to practice

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And coupled with this, your neighbor So your neighborhoods

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Speaker 4: It can be like too much, and it can absolutely

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Speaker 3: It could be weaponized. Think about the introduction of alcohol

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the primary motivating factors for introducing the

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Speaker 2: you could potentially, well, you could potentially trade with them,

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Speaker 2: right if trade in a is turned into a more

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Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, maybe, Like would you well, our first question

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Speaker 3: Right, we should tell him that the Antichrist moves through

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Speaker 4: We'll workshop fastly one the workshop, woodshed, workshop, Potato Patata.

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Speaker 2: all over the internet.

432
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, even in the modern day, even in Spanish

433
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 3: language academia, they're still using that one. If you're looking

434
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: for thenmole, then you're looking toward the rainforest of a

435
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: regional grew called Madre de Dios. So for all long time,

436
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: especially in recent history, this community has avoided sustained contact

437
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 3: with the outside world until a recent plot twist. In

438
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 3: recent years, there have been more and more reports of

439
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: individuals nmole, individuals appearing on riverbanks and initiating interactions with

440
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: neighboring communities or even just tourists happening by these outsiders,

441
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: these neighboring communities, these tourists, they're not trying to mess

442
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: with this indigenous group. They just happen to be in

443
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: the same place at the same time, and they appear

444
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: the nimole appear to be seeking these folks out. So

445
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: what do we do when the old equation gets switched?

446
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: What do we do when the uncontacted themselves are trying

447
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 3: to make contact.

448
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: That's a tough question, right right, well, especially if you

449
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: know that that group is under threat from let's say

450
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: drug runners that you know have found a specific route

451
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: that's going through an area they're occupying, or if you've

452
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: got loggers coming through and that's like what they're asking

453
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: for your help with the help help protect us, basically,

454
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: help us get out of this situation, or just help

455
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: us with food because food is running out because of

456
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: encroachment of some of those other things. That's a that's

457
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: a tough situation because I think the right move is

458
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: to help, but it endangers all the other things that

459
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: Survival International and other groups are trying to do right

460
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: to protect those people.

461
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, then it also becomes a question of Okay, we

462
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: want to help, but what's the best way to help.

463
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: What is a how do we min max the help

464
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: versus harm? How do we help you the most, harming

465
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 3: you the least. Get like, first, we have to figure

466
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 3: out what is happening here. So the cause of this

467
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: increased frequency of encounters is still a subject of various

468
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: debate among anthropologists and indigenous rights groups and parts of

469
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: the parts of the nonprofit movement. It could be, like

470
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: you were saying, Matt, that intruding upon their traditional territory

471
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: from on the part of illegal loggers, basically tree poachers

472
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: and drug traffickers might be forcing them out of isolation

473
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 3: to ask for assistance. They also might have I mean,

474
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 3: they're humans, so they might just be curious about the

475
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: outside world. They might want to trade for stuff. Somebody

476
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 3: saw something nifty or maybe as simple as somebody found

477
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: something on the ground right that was unfamiliar, dug it,

478
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: and we're like, how can we get more of this? Well,

479
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: we got asked those creeps on the other side of

480
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: the jungle, and they probably did think those creeps on

481
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: the other side of the jungle, or on the other

482
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: side of the.

483
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: River, or just say, a family of tourists, just a

484
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: really cute family.

485
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 5: National lampoo that's what it is, all right, You're welcome, Chevy. Yeah,

486
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 5: I think I'll watch that documentary when it comes out.

487
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 4: Apparently not not a particularly nice.

488
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: Fellow, No, that's what we hear. We have an Adam

489
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: on the show.

490
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 4: He was a lot of fun in the community though,

491
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 4: where he apparently was kind of playing himself.

492
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever the cause of Chevy Chase's

493
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: career decline, or whatever the cause of the mole increasingly

494
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: approaching the outside world, it's fair to say the Peruvian

495
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: government here has to thread a really tough needle. They

496
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: have to toe a very fine line protecting the numole's

497
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: right to agency and self determination while at the same

498
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 3: time keeping an eye on the health risk and social

499
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: consequences of increased contact. We're well meaning National Lampoon esque tourists.

500
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: We're inoculated against all kinds of stuff that we might

501
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: still carry vulnerable to. Yeah, exactly.

502
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: Well, this is kind of dark, guys, But imagine if

503
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: the tensions between the US government and certain you know,

504
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: narco organizations escalates, and then there's you know, attacks on

505
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: boats going on rivers throughout the Amazon right where there

506
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: are where there are running routes and things like that.

507
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: What happens then? And how do you how do you

508
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: make sure there's not collateral damage there, not that anybody

509
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: would care.

510
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 4: On don't know that you did bomb side now exactly.

511
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: And then also, you know, what it reminds me of

512
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: as well, is the attempts of larger governments to control

513
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: territory that they typically just kept a very loose eye on. Especially.

514
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: I mean, that's why drug trafficking and trafficking of all

515
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: sorts proliferates in some of these areas, especially around borders.

516
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 3: You guys, remember that episode we did a while back

517
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: on PAM kind of poached it from a car stuff episode.

518
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. The Darien Gap. This could

519
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: quickly become, if it's not already kind of a Daryan

520
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: Gap situation. The creation of the Darien Gap also was

521
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: pretty crappy for indigenous communities living in that area. Check

522
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: out our this is not just an episode. It's a

523
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: two part series called Horror in the Jungle. And we're

524
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: not being hyperbolic.

525
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I mean you can I guess pause

526
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 2: now and check it out, because we're going to take

527
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: you a quick ad break and then come back to

528
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: this one later. Or you could just keep listening to

529
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: this episode.

530
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:06,479
Speaker 3: It's up to you.

531
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.

532
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: And we have returned. Like we said, everything modern civilization

533
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: knows tells us the majority of quote unquote uncontacted peoples

534
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: are going to be in South America in that sphere. However,

535
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: that's not all of them. One of the more one

536
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 3: of the even more mysterious regions of play here is

537
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 3: New Guinea.

538
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 2: Oh I don't know anything about this one. Well, let's

539
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: do a rundown.

540
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 4: So the island of New Guinea, which is split between

541
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 4: Indonesia and Papua New Guinea, is the home of several

542
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 4: uncontacted groups. The terrain there is super you know, punishingly rugged.

543
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 4: The forests are incredibly dense. All of these features of

544
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 4: the island have allowed these tribes to maintain and continue

545
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 4: their isolation well into the modern day. Exact numbers are

546
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: tricky to find, but it is estimated that dozens of

547
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 4: these uncontacted tribes may well still exist right now in

548
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 4: the remote interior of this island.

549
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 3: And if you're looking at the map, Papula New Guinea

550
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: which is on the on the right side of what

551
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,959
Speaker 3: we're describing, so it's Papua New Guinea on the right side,

552
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 3: it is Indonesia on the left side, and Papuula New

553
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: Guinea in the west. We don't talk too too much

554
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 3: about it, or in the US, I should say, we

555
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: don't talk too too much about it, but parts of

556
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 3: it are incredibly dangerous. Port Moresby, the capital and largest

557
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: city of the p ANDNG is a place you should

558
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 3: be careful visiting. We're being very diplomatic, so look it

559
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: up if you want to learn more about it.

560
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: Is that according to the CIA World Fact Books twenty

561
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: twenty six.

562
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, some folks who went for mining, so got it. Yeah.

563
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: Check out some YouTube videos if you want, of influencers

564
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 3: visiting the area and you'll see a little bit of

565
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 3: what we mean. But the divide between city life and

566
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: the more rural environments that Noel's describing there is stark

567
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: and harsh. There are places that don't have anything like

568
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: a road for now. These are communities that are just

569
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 3: like South America. They are struggling with logging, mining and

570
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: construction because Indonesia and Papua New Guinea both want to

571
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 3: accelerate progress or accelerate development would be a better word,

572
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: you know, and want the strip malls. They want the roads,

573
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 3: they want the highways. They want you to be able

574
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 3: to get a Coca cola anywhere, which sounds like I'm

575
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: doing a ted talk about why we should build a

576
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 3: rod through ferm Gully or something.

577
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 4: They just want to have a coke. Just let them

578
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 4: enjoy a coke.

579
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: They deserve it, That's what it is. Yeah, Hey, will

580
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 3: we make some money off mining along the way?

581
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 4: Sure, we just want to buy the world of coke.

582
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: We just want to buy the world to coke. Or

583
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 3: we're Nestle and will say it here in the boardroom meeting.

584
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: These folks might have too much water.

585
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 4: Let's relieve them of some of those precious flutes.

586
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 3: To help them, help them, help us, help them, help us.

587
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: Have you seen how many trees are out here?

588
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: Yes, I think it was too many. I think it

589
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: was too many trees.

590
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 2: We could take probably eighty percent of those and it

591
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: would be fine.

592
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: It'd be easier for people to walk around. So really

593
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 3: we're the heroes.

594
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 4: What if someone trips? What if trips are they're dangerous?

595
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 4: All these trees, there's all these fallen limbs. Someone could

596
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 4: be hurt. Shouldn't we knock the ight out?

597
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: We can put a minute made bottling facility right here.

598
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 3: It's time for some well meaning corporation to fight back

599
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: against big tree. That's us. Yeah, literally, So there are

600
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: multiple other examples here we do. I guess we should

601
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: say that both Indonesia and Papua New Guinea are, at

602
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: least in paper and public statement, they are aiming to

603
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: protect what we call indigenous rights and they're saying, hey,

604
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 3: we're not going to fuss with these people too much.

605
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: But also a lot of money comes in from economic development,

606
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: so it's not uncommon for one government agency to say hey,

607
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 3: we're definitely going to protect you know, this valley here

608
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 3: right or this mountain, and then to step it back

609
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 3: and say later when the money comes in, to say,

610
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 3: when we said we're going to protect this valley, well

611
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: meant this part of this valley, because this other part

612
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: of this valley it's not that important, you know, what

613
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 3: I mean. And Nesley is coming in and we're all

614
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 3: in the fight against Big Tree, and you know, our

615
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 3: election system is dodgy, they say in Indonesia and Papua

616
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 3: New Guinea.

617
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 4: I mean, there's so many learned to something.

618
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 3: I don't know. They might be onto something. Also, we

619
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: as Americans are increasingly in a glasshouse on that one.

620
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, guys, that sounds like seditious behavior

621
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: to me, stoishable by death.

622
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 4: Stop it.

623
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: I love the word seditious. It's so sexy.

624
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 4: It does have a really chunky mouthfeel. I don't know

625
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 4: said it that way, but you know, I stand by it.

626
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: It's so close to sensuous, sensuous, seditious. The new perfume

627
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 3: by I g.

628
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 4: U oh, I like that. I think you know what,

629
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 4: think you can we can we take it? What's that

630
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 4: further and just call it sedition?

631
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: Sedition. That's great.

632
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: Yes, it's new from East Wing exactly.

633
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: We got. We've got multiple other examples of this, folks, obviously,

634
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: some of which we may explore specifically an upcoming episodes.

635
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: I think we're all intensely interested in what's going on

636
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: in the Amazon right, especially trans border stuff in the Amazon.

637
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 3: But for now we have to know there might not

638
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 3: be a ton of modern examples around for very long.

639
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 3: And I guess before we get to that, which is

640
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: really the cliffhanger of this, can we talk about the

641
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 3: myths and conspiracies surrounding these groups, like why people were

642
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: such mixed to them for so long.

643
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 4: I think that's what the people came here for.

644
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: Ben Oh oh, Yeah, this is great because there's all

645
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 2: kinds of rumors, and there have been all kinds of rumors,

646
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 2: often because of popular culture, often because of the way

647
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: indigenous peoples in general have been depicted over the course

648
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: of especially American cinema if you think back to its

649
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: origins all the way up into what the nineteen fifties, sixties,

650
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 2: even you know, I mean it goes on actually from

651
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 2: their eighties. Yeah, exactly. But just I would say traditional

652
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 2: depiction on camera of any indigenous.

653
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 3: Peoples absolutely, you know, even things like the recent Bone

654
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: Tomahawk suffer from that. And that's it. That's a horror

655
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: movie that I think a lot of us personally enjoy,

656
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 3: but we're aware of the complication. Yeah. I was just.

657
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 4: Listening to an episode of blank Check. They've been going

658
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 4: through the catalog of the Coen Brothers and we're talking

659
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 4: about the ballot of Buster Scrugs with Jason Menzukus and

660
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 4: Paul Sheer from How Do This Get Made? And they

661
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 4: pointed out that like in that movie, it does depict

662
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 4: the sort of quote unquote savage version, uh, the you know,

663
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 4: attack on site version of Native folks, and that it

664
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 4: is a little jarring. It was jarring, but then you

665
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 4: kind of realize that it's a satire. It's showing the

666
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 4: way classic Hollywood portrayed this these groups. So it's it's

667
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 4: a very accurate representation of that. And while we're not

668
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 4: used to seeing that in modern pop cultural references anymore

669
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 4: for good reason, when you do see it the way

670
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 4: they put it, I think it's very effective because you're

671
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 4: kind of seeing like, oh, this is how it used

672
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 4: to be.

673
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: And yet this brings us to the point about history.

674
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 3: Once upon a time, friends and neighbors who were many

675
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: many more uncontacted groups. And everywhere you look in history,

676
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: regardless of like who the top god is for region

677
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: or regardless of who the top nation is, there is

678
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 3: a high rate of attrition for uncontacted communities, and there's

679
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 3: a crazy amount of weird claims created about them with

680
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 3: no input from them. By the way, first off, and

681
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 3: we should we should not even have to say this. Yes,

682
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: these are all actual people, bonafide, genuine human beings. Some

683
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: groups definitely possess distinct genetic characteristics due to long periods

684
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: of isolation, but no, they're not secret Neanderthals like in

685
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 3: Bone Tomahawk. They could definitely interbreed with other groups, just

686
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: like all other modern humans. And yes, Neanderthals can interbreed

687
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: with Homo sapiens. But the point is these are people

688
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: just like you, just like most of us listening. Other

689
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: than the bots, and the attempt to paint them as

690
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 3: anything other than an actual, bona fide human being, it

691
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 3: was usually a cynical attempt to rationalize violence or was

692
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: you know, just plain old racism, right, because hey, they're

693
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 3: not really humans that were hurting. That happens even in

694
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 3: war today.

695
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, guys, I've got a quote here from a

696
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: strange place, and I can't find the originating quote, but

697
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: it is. It's like it's a quote within an article.

698
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: So let me just kind of explain.

699
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 3: It a bit.

700
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 2: Here's with it, okay. On The Guardian's website, you can

701
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: find an article titled Survival comes First for Sentinel Islanders,

702
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: the world's last Stone Age tribe, was written on February eleventh,

703
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 2: twenty two thousand and six.

704
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 3: Wow.

705
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 2: Okay. It says in the article at the bottom that

706
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: it came from The Observer, which is a different publication

707
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: that I think got somehow absorbed into The Guardian, or

708
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: at least they have their archives or something. I don't

709
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: know the full story there. But in this article there

710
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: is a quote allegedly from Marco Polo, famous from the

711
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: thirteenth century for exploring, and I don't know where this

712
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: quote came from, so let us know if you can

713
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 2: find the actual quote here. But it says, when describing

714
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 2: the North Sentine Leese quote, they are a most violent

715
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: and cruel generation who seem to eat everybody they catch.

716
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: So just imagine that you've got explorers, you know, from

717
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: those earlier centuries, going through and literally exploring lands, encountering peoples,

718
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: and then coming back with saying something like that about

719
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: a person. Right, you're up a group of people. You

720
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: have to imagine that that thought about them reverberates throughout history,

721
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: at least until there's more information right, because he is

722
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: going to talk about that probably and it's going to

723
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 2: get written down, all.

724
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 3: Right, and especially for a travel writer of his caliber

725
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 3: and notoriety. In the day, there wasn't a ton of

726
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 3: fact checking. And we're just gonna say it, folks, Marco Polo,

727
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: good storyteller, Yes, one hundred percent accurate.

728
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: Yes. Well, And if you continue along in that article,

729
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: it describes those two guys, sunder Raj and Pandit Tawari,

730
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: who were two fishermen. They were poachers who ended their

731
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: boat ended up accidentally basically running into the North Sentinel

732
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: Island there and then they were killed. And there's a

733
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: quote within this article from one of the police crew

734
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: that was sent out on a helicopter afterwards to try

735
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: and recover their bodies. And the quote from this police

736
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: officer said he was surprised to see body that were

737
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: buried so shallow there on the beach, and he says, quote,

738
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: I thought they roasted and ate their victims unquote. So

739
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: you can see how I mean. It isn't exactly that

740
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: direct connect between the thirteenth century Marco Polo and then

741
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: this police officer in two thousand and six, but still

742
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: it's kind of crazy that that sentiment can last that long.

743
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: It carries on intergenerationally. Man hands misery to man, and

744
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: it also goes back to So when you hear these reports,

745
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 3: what you never hear about folks is the fact that

746
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: British surveyors went over to went over the eighteen hundreds

747
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 3: to North Sentinel Island and absolutely wrecked everything. People tend

748
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: to be rational actors. So for these folks, for this community,

749
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: there's a reason they always have an oh, snap, not

750
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 3: again moment when anybody from the outside washes up. Now,

751
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 3: I'd be very interesting to take somebody from the nearby

752
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: admin Islands who could maybe try to speak something like

753
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: the language of the North Sentinel Eese and see how

754
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 3: that works. But then you get into this Star Trek

755
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: prime directive situation and you have to go again against

756
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 3: like you were saying, Matt, all the ingrained multi generational racism.

757
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 3: You know, there's another version of this which is still

758
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: sort of othering and exoticizing. It's the idea that these

759
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: people don't live in secret because they're quote unquote less modern. Instead,

760
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 3: they live in isolation because they're hiding technology or undreamt

761
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 3: of I said pleasures, but treasures pleasures as well. Who

762
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 3: knows they've figured out a new kind of Kama Sutra

763
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: and they don't want to share. To the best of

764
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 3: our knowledge, there is no uncontacted tribe that secretly has

765
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: some super posh sophisticated sci fi civilization. Uh. If they did,

766
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 3: as history teaches us, it's much more likely that they

767
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 3: would start invading other places, you know what I mean, Like,

768
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: if there was a tribe in the Amazon that secretly

769
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 3: had zero point energy and all kinds of new fancy bombs,

770
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 3: if they're still human, they would naturally expand and enproach

771
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 3: themselves into other territories.

772
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: I generally would agree that. But what if they're so

773
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 2: far advanced that they're beyond that stuff. What if they're

774
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: all like Star Trek Prime directive about it, So they're

775
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: just trying to wait until this whole late stage capitalism

776
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: thing plays out.

777
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear, And then let's play the game further.

778
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: What if they are at that point, then why would

779
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 3: they be dumb enough to still be visible?

780
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 4: Well, man, they're having been playing sights. They're you know,

781
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 4: putting on minds, they're putting on an act, you know,

782
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 4: showing us just what we want to see like I don't.

783
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 3: Guys, I gotcha. It's a big Friday energy. I guess

784
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 3: we could say, though, there is treasure in these uncontacted lands,

785
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 3: not like secret hidden cities of gold so far as

786
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 3: we know, even though South America is littered with lost

787
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 3: cities and they're ruins. But instead the treasure is vast

788
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 3: resources timber. Maybe not gold built into a ginormous temple,

789
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: but gold hidden in the ground. So this is a big, big,

790
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 3: big part of what's driving groups in that area to extinction.

791
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 3: They don't even appreciate it. So h there is one.

792
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I think maybe it was on Ridiculous History

793
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: we talked about, uh not one of Sean Pannery's best

794
00:49:54,040 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 3: films from years and years back. Medicine Man, Medicine Man.

795
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 4: Oh, it's so bad.

796
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 3: It's so bad.

797
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 4: Not with Elaine Bronco, who was in. She was the

798
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 4: doctor Melfie and the sopranos. I believe she's following him around.

799
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 4: He's man explaining everything for the whole movie.

800
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: It's no League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Oh, that's for sure.

801
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 4: That's also a sninky one.

802
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 3: It's definitely not the rock like Rock. I like the Rock.

803
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: That's why I'm saying definitely not the Rock. But there

804
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 3: is a thing in Medicine Man, where part of the

805
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 3: part of the conceit of the film and the story

806
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 3: is that deep in the inaccessible jungle there are unknown

807
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 3: animals or plants that can be used for medicinal purposes.

808
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 3: This it's partially plausible, by which I mean not out

809
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: of the bounds of imagination to think that one uncontacted

810
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 3: group or another, because they've lived with the land so long,

811
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 3: they may possess an understanding of natural remedies that science

812
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: has yet to learn about.

813
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: Like uh, like in that book Congo about the.

814
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 3: Super monkeys, like the mm similar to the very problematic

815
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 3: Serpent in the Rainbow where the guy tries to figure

816
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 3: out the pharmacology behind zombie formulas.

817
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: Yes, or that that uh that banger Anaconda, which is

818
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 2: being remade right now with Jack Black.

819
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 4: And it looks like they're leaning into the silliness of it,

820
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 4: which I'm into.

821
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 3: I'm into it. If he plays the Anaconda, is.

822
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 4: Jason not Jason Sidekis Paul Rudd is also an end

823
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 4: I believe?

824
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think that's right.

825
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 3: Oh wow, all right, Well go team. Uh, we also

826
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 3: know that it's time to think about the future. While

827
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 3: we're pondering the idea of the natural world possessing remedies

828
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 3: or medicines or improvements that wider human civilization doesn't understand.

829
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: We got to think about wider human civilization. You got

830
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 3: to go back to that study mentioned earlier from Survival International. Spoiler,

831
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 3: it's more rough news. There's a ticking clock scenario. This

832
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,479
Speaker 3: report was published on October twenty seventh, twenty twenty five,

833
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 3: so this year just a little bit of go. And

834
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 3: it reveals that half of the world's remaining uncontacted indigenous

835
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 3: groups may well disappear within the decade, and less Earth

836
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 3: collectively agrees as a group to do some serious sustained

837
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 3: conservation efforts. I don't know if it'll happen.

838
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 2: Like COP thirty is happening right now as we're recording,

839
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 2: or is like finishing up, I guess, And then what

840
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 2: to G eight or G twenty and all these things

841
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: are happening, and seems like nobody can agree that we

842
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 2: need to fix stuff up round here.

843
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 3: No, not at all. It would take a higher power

844
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 3: to force that kind of cooperation.

845
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 4: Like a atlas, like a beam that was blue, like

846
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 4: the very hand of God reaching down.

847
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 3: Again. I still, you know, ethics aside drone swarm making

848
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 3: a big face over North Sentinel Island speaking in an

849
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 3: Andaman Island tongue. So just like close, you know how

850
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 3: like when you hear Scandinavian languages outside of Finnish, it

851
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 3: can sound close enough to English that you feel like

852
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 3: you're almost getting the gist. That's what it'd be like.

853
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 3: We can't do it, That's it's a terrible thing to do.

854
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 3: And also we accounting did not approve our budget request

855
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 3: for thirty thousand luminescent drones.

856
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: Dang, I was really thinking that seems like a no brainer.

857
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 3: I thought that was gonna be a big twenty twenty

858
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 3: six for us. We know that, we know that this

859
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 3: is gonna be disastrous of these communities. Just to be

860
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 3: completely honest, so wildlife, natural environments are being wrecked as

861
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 3: we record. Like think about this, folks, when's the last

862
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 3: time you were driving and you saw a bunch of

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Speaker 3: bugs hit your windshield? Does that happen? It does? It does?

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Speaker 3: It does?

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Speaker 2: But in specific parts of the highway between here and

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Speaker 2: where I've been in North Carolina, maybe more in the.

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Speaker 4: Summer too, when it's hotter.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, and maybe when you're further away from the

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Speaker 3: cities that's a huge part and you have more trees

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Speaker 3: around you, which again we're working on. We're going to

871
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Speaker 3: fix that for everybody we here at the Bestley Corporation.

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Speaker 3: I just love the idea of this absolute pill, this

873
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Speaker 3: absolute corporate reprobate going into a forest for the first

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Speaker 3: time and coming out and saying there are too many course,

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Speaker 3: there's not there's not a coffee machine, you know? Is that?

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Speaker 2: But I think that's what that is probably the most

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Speaker 2: important thing personally for me guys in this story is

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Speaker 2: that there are there are individual human beings that are

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Speaker 2: or once were a part of one of these uncontacted

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00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 2: tribes from various parts of the world who exit the

881
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Speaker 2: forest just begin living more in modern life and have

882
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 2: nothing but regrets. At least that's you know, again, it's

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Speaker 2: a bit of a biased source. I guess if you're

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Speaker 2: talking about Survival International, I guess you would that could

885
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Speaker 2: be considered a minorly biased source just because they have

886
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: a very clear goal, right and they aren't going to

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00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: put it put out contrary information that goes against some

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00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: of the conservation efforts that they're funding right and trying

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Speaker 2: to do. But often it's somebody saying, I really wish

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Speaker 2: I still lived in the forest. There's nothing out here

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Speaker 2: for me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah to that. Another thing that we're seeing that we

893
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 3: can change, that you can change now as you're listening,

894
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 3: is that because the majority of human beings now live

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Speaker 3: in conturbations right live in urban centers, a lot of

896
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Speaker 3: people are not getting out into the wilderness. And that

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00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 3: is actually, if you are human, that's the thing you're

898
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: built for, not main street. You're built to be out

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Speaker 3: in the woods, you know what I mean, and hunting

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00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 3: and gathering, and I think it's it would be helpful

901
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 3: for everybody, especially the people in power at the top,

902
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Speaker 3: to just rediscover and reinterrogate that kind of bond with

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Speaker 3: the natural world.

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Speaker 4: Just touch some grass. The government.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not talking about going to burning Man. We're

906
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 2: talking about going to the forest.

907
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Speaker 3: Burning Man is an artificially created environment.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you, But you know, just go camping.

910
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 3: Like our pal Alex Williams, friend of the show, He's

911
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 3: appeared here many times. He's great at camping. Or just

912
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 3: take it to a trip to the National Parks if

913
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Speaker 3: you're in the US while they're around.

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Speaker 4: Or at the very least, just crackle window, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just go out, go out to the Yellowstone. Just

916
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Speaker 2: be like, man, can't wait for all these AI data centers.

917
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 2: Just try and have that fought actively while you're there

918
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Speaker 2: in Yellowstone.

919
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to get your timing right on Yellowstone.

920
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 3: You got to beat the geyser super eruption, and then

921
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 3: you got to make sure the wolf packs are in

922
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Speaker 3: a good mood. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, we've all clip.

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Speaker 4: But y'all, the Magic carp data center there in Eddington

924
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 4: is going to be a banger magic card. It's it's

925
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 4: a it's a joke. It's it's it's the name of

926
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Speaker 4: the data center in the movie Eddington, and it is

927
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Speaker 4: named after a Pokemon and they don't reference that at all.

928
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Speaker 2: It's amazing, like the most useless Pokemon right until.

929
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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. I love you with all my art,

930
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 3: and we have to ask while we're so, if you

931
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Speaker 3: make it to the woods, we understand transit might not

932
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Speaker 3: be affordable for everybody, but if you can get out

933
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Speaker 3: in the wilderness in your neck to the global woods.

934
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Speaker 3: While you're walking around soaking in the sites, ask yourself,

935
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Speaker 3: what is the wider world's collective duty towards these uncontacted,

936
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Speaker 3: isolated groups. How to institutions, private industries, even governments. They

937
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 3: balance the need for development and progress with the need

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Speaker 3: to protect these people, who again are human beings and

939
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Speaker 3: are innocent. They are not the problem. I mean, how

940
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 3: many uncontacted people are out there right now. We haven't

941
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Speaker 3: been able to speak with them directly for obvious reasons,

942
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 3: but that number is almost certainly the stuff. Those people

943
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Speaker 3: don't want you to know that, after all this brutal history,

944
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 3: who can blame them, not us. We'd love to hear

945
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