1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Melancan's and Camera Edge. 2 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: We are so excited to have Ebony Kay Williams on 3 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: to Teas in a Pod this week. You can follow 4 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: her on Instagram at Ebony Kay Williams. You can also 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: listen to her on Holding Court wherever you listen to podcast. 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: Ebony Williams is a host, author, producer, and attorney. She 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: was a cast member of the Real Housewives of New 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: York City for season thirteen. High Ladies, what's up, Tama? 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,639 Speaker 1: What's up? Teddy? How are you both good? How are you? 10 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: I'm good? Oh gosh, look at all this amazing crew 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: you've got on What's Up? Ladies? Need a lot of 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: people to watch watch what we do here because you 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: never know. I can't believe we're finally connecting. I know, Tama, 14 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: I feel like what was like eight months ago? I 15 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: originally Yeah, I know. Awesome. Well, I love a show. 16 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Thank you. I can't wait to catch 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: up to see what you are doing. Your intro where 18 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: we talked about your new podcast, Holding Court, Will you 19 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit more about that? Yeah, So 20 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: Holding Court with Ebannie Kay Williams. Yours truly. Um, that's 21 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: my that's like my passion project. That's like really right 22 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: now at least the love of my life. Hold the 23 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 1: last slash applause on that. Um. It is um. It's 24 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: everything that I wanted, uh, you know, to say to 25 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: the world. You know, I am such a nerd, I'm 26 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: such a geek. I'm very blessed to have, um, you know, 27 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: a thorough background and education on law and culture and politics. 28 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: And so with holding Court, I kind of break down 29 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: the complicated nature of law and legal ease and you know, 30 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: all the ship that's in the headlines that I make 31 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: it digestible and relatable to the Three Day folk along 32 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: with my brilliant co host, Dustin Ross. So it's fun, 33 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: it's entertaining, but you know, people can learn a lot 34 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: from it. So I'm very proud of it. It was 35 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: nominated for a Webby Award last year. The only woman 36 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: that it's awesome. We've got no awards, no words. Yeah, 37 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: you know what, ship talking. It's a little tricky to 38 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: win awards around. There's no ship talking awards yet, term 39 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: or Teddy yet. This is yeah, I mean, yeah, I 40 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: love it. So we do we do a portion on 41 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we were lovingly named the twats Um you 42 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: guys called that. That's funny mainly because Tam didn't realize 43 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 1: that their d I Y project at home that are 44 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: and nipples were t w O T S. Yeah. I 45 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: didn't realize it until my daughter goes, Mom, do you 46 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: know what you just put on your well? I go 47 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: to teez, She goes, Mom says twat. So we can 48 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: pretty much say we are never the most educated in 49 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: any room. We don't know how to pronounce the majority 50 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: of words um, but we will. We are good at 51 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: digging into We're just two blonds. We're just trying to 52 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: get your life, guys. We're just you know, we barely 53 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: made it through high school. But we're pretty good at 54 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: ship talking. But our questions for you first first start 55 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: from the fans, which the main one that I got 56 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: is are you still friends with Leah? Oh? That's an 57 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: interesting Well I have a guess as to what the 58 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: real name when y'all top. But that's okay. Well, I'd 59 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: like to warm you up a little bit. I'll get 60 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: up girl. It's called a little four play, right, we 61 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: can get straight to the ship a little four play. 62 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: We won't do some twat four play up because I 63 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: wish Leah McSweeney the very best. You know, she's a 64 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: woman of you know, my peer, She's a and go mom. 65 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: She's trying to make it happen in New York City, 66 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: which is never easy. But no, I've not even spoken 67 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: to Leah since October twenty twenty one. They'll literally get 68 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: down to it. Have you talked to Roona the last 69 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: time I talked to Ramona? Since I talked to you know, 70 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: since Leah. Yeah, I talked to remote Yeah, I mean 71 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: Ramona and I. It was really complicated until recently. Um, 72 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: and I think I appreciate that now we're in a 73 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: really clear place, which is we mutually don't funk with 74 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: one another. And that's great, you know, it's really I 75 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: think you both can attest that once you get to 76 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: that place of like, we don't have to do the niceties, 77 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: we don't have to do the like polite, you know, 78 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: because I saw her at Bravo cong which was the 79 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: last time we laid eyes on each other, and at 80 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: that time, I think we were still very much like Listen. 81 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: We have very different perspectives on what went down on Rony. 82 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: We also have very different wise right, and I want 83 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: to get to that with both of you. Two. Like 84 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: we we did the show very different reasons and ultimately 85 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: that became a huge conflict of interest, and I would 86 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: say the exact same for myself in Luanne. Anyway, we 87 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: saw each other at Bravo Khan, it was totally polite 88 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: in passing. And then she did the Carlos King podcast 89 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: interview and it was just it was great because first 90 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: of all, she opened the door to allow me to 91 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: go on my own platforms and are Holding Court and 92 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: say something that I never intended to say. You ladies, 93 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: like I never intended to necessarily bring that to the 94 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: forefront of public attu because I didn't. I just didn't 95 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: think it was purposeful at this point, and not to 96 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: cut you off. Just so people know that if they 97 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: did not hear the podcast with Carlos King, I believe 98 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 1: Ramona said that Ebony was blacklisted instead she was difficult 99 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: to work with, among other things, Teddy among other things, Yes, 100 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: among other things that she said, um, A lot of 101 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: which just were not flat out through they were lying um. 102 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: And I addressed each one of them on my show 103 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: Holding Court, which you can also listen to wherever you 104 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: get your podcast, and I was able to kind of 105 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: go down like the litigator that I am. I don't 106 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: have no idea what possessed Ramona uh to go on 107 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: any show, let alone Carlos the show and UH just 108 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: tell such lies and create such narrative that she knew. 109 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: I literally have emails, receipts, all of the evidence literally 110 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: in the world to come back everything. I don't think 111 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: Farma doesn't think that far. I love Ramona, I've known 112 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: her for fifteen years, but I feel like she doesn't 113 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: think that far. I actually this, but if people have receipts, oh, 114 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: I disagree with you. It's like the same way when 115 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: you thought Ramona accidentally showed Teresa's wedding and vine like, 116 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: you don't put somebody's address on if you have any 117 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: kind of if you can think about anybody other than yourself, 118 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: but some people don't think of anybody other than themselves. Right. 119 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying that if you're not going 120 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: to change in any capacity and solely things. But I'm 121 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: not saying it's right. I'm not saying it's right. But 122 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: she's had, you know, historically speaking, and I think that's 123 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: the problem, right, Camra, I don't disagree with you. I 124 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: think you know I've had it known as many years 125 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: as you have, but I've certainly watched her. I do 126 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 1: think Ramona has a very difficult time adjusting to Teddy's 127 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: point to individuals, right, Like, Ramona has a blanket way 128 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: in which she deals with everyone, and it's really to 129 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: her detriment. And I think this is the first time 130 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: with all of us being fired, like, let's just tell 131 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: the truth. I don't know why that's so taboo to 132 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: say we all got fired, okay, and then the network 133 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: has moved on, And I think this is the first 134 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: time there's been a consequence to you know, how Ramona 135 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: played the game. It wasn't just what she quote did 136 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: to me, it was the way of which she handled 137 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: the whole situation. Do you think Ramona is the reason 138 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: why the show got canceled? There? Hello, the show got 139 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: canceled for um a litany of reasons, but the main one, 140 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: y'all is this Bravo made a decision to bring me 141 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: onto season thirteen for a number of reasons. A. Yes, 142 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: the obvious one, right, it's twenty it's the reckoning of 143 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: race in America. Unlike we've ever seen it before. It 144 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: was overdue for a city with forty women of color 145 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: between Black and Latina to have a woman of color 146 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: as a main cast member period. They brought on a 147 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: particular type of black woman. You guys, they bought on me. 148 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: I have a degree in black studies, I have a 149 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: law degree. I center blackness in my work and everyday life. 150 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: That I think everybody thought was gonna be really interesting 151 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: to watch. Uh, you know, Ramona and Lou and the 152 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: likes kind of react to that, and I think what 153 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: we realized it was actually very traumatic and painful to 154 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: watch and very awkward to watch because they generally speaking 155 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: Ramona and Lu and specifically had a real tough time 156 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: making space for a woman like me. You guys know 157 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: how O gs like to do my mother, and my 158 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: blood is boiling right now, yeah, because and it is. 159 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm like literally getting chills when you just said that. 160 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: I don't give a funk about your counter title, louse. 161 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: I want to get to know you as a woman 162 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: that we never made space for that Ramona bitch, I 163 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: don't give a funk about nothing you're talking about. I 164 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,599 Speaker 1: want to get to know you. And it just we 165 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: never got off the block. So that's why the show 166 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: was canceled. It was because it became so it was 167 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: so impossible for us to kind of come back together. 168 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: You saw we didn't have a reunion, and what's sad 169 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: And I'll say this and then we'll move on to 170 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: other questions. That last episode of our season was a 171 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: really good episode, and it actually was an authentic place 172 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: where it took Again, I did not know these women, 173 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: you guys, from a hole in the wall before day 174 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: one of filming. That's also kind of unusual. So therefore, 175 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: we didn't have a pre existing relationship to start day 176 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: one filming on, so it was starting from scratch. And 177 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: I think what happened was it took seventeen episodes for 178 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: us to finally get to a place of trusting one 179 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: another on camera, trusting each other in real life to 180 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: some degree, having fun, letting our hair down, and everybody 181 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: making space for each other on the cast. And by 182 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: the time we got there, guys, it was great. It 183 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: was actually a really great finale. But then the press 184 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: and then you know, I'm I'm not We'll just say 185 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: Housewives of Yesteryear, where I'm gonna sit around and bite 186 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: my tongue and play nice for the sake of holding 187 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: an apple. I don't really give a funk about holding. Yeah, 188 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: but that's what makes a good housewife. Yeah, and I 189 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: kind of don't. I'd rather be a good woman. Well, 190 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: I have a question for you. What do you say 191 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: to the pupils a place blame on you per se 192 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: for it being the last season of New York I 193 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: say this, Teddy, listen, like if you if that framing 194 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: makes you feel better, right, and it makes you feel 195 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: good to say Abbey k Williams ruined Ronny as I 196 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: knew and loved it, I'm okay with that. The sub 197 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: text of what that argument says is I am somebody 198 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: who really enjoyed watching a status quo play out that, 199 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, really amplified and centered whiteness that also beyond 200 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: the race of it all, centered spectacle of women, centered 201 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: something that was quite ridiculous where I was more often 202 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 1: than not laughing at those women versus with those women. 203 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: If that is your beloved Roney, Yeah, I thought that 204 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: shut up? Absolutely? Did um? Did you think do you 205 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: think that there's any women on there that we're open 206 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: to learning and growing and getting to a place where 207 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: if you were to continue to you could have had, 208 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: you know, even more important conversations and grown as women 209 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: as people, and it just was cut off too soon. 210 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: So your Treemont Morgan, we were texting two days ago 211 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: and we're both using me the sweetest like miss you, 212 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: happy holidays from Virginia's so cute. Um, I was like, 213 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: happy holidays. Do you hope you and Quincy having we 214 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: to this day even though we have no business together, right, 215 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: we're never coming back as a cast for Rony. We 216 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: had a real connection. Sonya is a is a woman 217 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: that show or no show. We go to lunch and 218 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: have a key key we could go, you know, to 219 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: have a spot and have a good fun. Well, Sonia 220 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: is a good time, A good time. I love time. Yeah. 221 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: It wasn't just about like me teaching her or her. 222 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: It was like we just enjoyed each other, you know. 223 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: And so that feels a little sad that that got 224 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 1: cut short. And it does feel like I feel like 225 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: if you guys would have done another season, you know, 226 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: things could have been a little bit different. I think 227 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: it would have been a lot different, but a lot 228 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: didn't you know, they had to make a decision we'll 229 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: see what's going on with her. I'm not mad at 230 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: the reboot. You know, I was way less invested than 231 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: Lou and Ramona's. I understand they have different feelings about it, 232 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: but I'm like, you know, let's get these ladies a shot. 233 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: Let's see what's up. I mean, but don't you think 234 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: that you should have been involved in the reboot? Wally? 235 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: That was the one that the reboot? Yeah, you and Leah? 236 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: I think no. I I had a really not the 237 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: best season, Like we all know, Leah had a bigger 238 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: decline than me. Well, but you know what should come 239 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: back and be somebody totally different, you know, we all have. 240 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: I would. I would have been totally game to do 241 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: another season with Leah. I think. I think actually that 242 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: and I think that could have been interesting because we 243 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: were at such a fractured place in our quote friendship, 244 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: which was a friendship. I want to be really clear, 245 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: we were real friends at one point in time. Um, 246 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: and then you know, y'all know the show can destroy 247 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: a friendship, you know, and that just happened for sure. 248 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: Would you ever go on Girls Trip? Teddy? Hell? Yeah, 249 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: I think Girls Trip would be fun. I think, you know, 250 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: I've got some you know, we've got some group chats 251 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: going where it could be a hell of a good time. 252 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: So how listen, I do hate this? Wait what Nike? Um? 253 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: I think? Oh, I think it's like a one one 254 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 1: hit Wonders cast. Would be really fun actually, but oh 255 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: my god, that good. Yeah, I think about the moon 256 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: that'd be you. Um uh peg tipt Carlton, Oh my god, yes, 257 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: um Diana from Beverly Hills. Oh, sorry, did I speak? 258 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: Did I speak to you soon? Wait? Wait, Timber, I 259 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: heard you not be coming back, Diana. There's no way 260 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: Diana is coming back. I mean I have absolutely no. 261 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: I hope not. But I mean I love her to her, 262 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: but I think she's to be as a person, but 263 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: I don't think she really needs the show. No, you 264 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: can't be that rich and be on the show. It's 265 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: just I stand by this. You have to have a 266 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: little bit of you have to have a why, you 267 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: have to have and if you're already ned, you're already 268 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: famous and you're already having the be like the Billions. Yea, 269 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: emany what was your wife for going on New York? 270 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: Thank you for asking me that, Tamra, So I had 271 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: two wise. My main wise was to elevate um what 272 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: beauty and blackness and regalness and like everything that the 273 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: America generally says black women don't possess femininity, um, just status, 274 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: all the things sophistication. I wanted to really like make 275 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: that very plain, like, yes, I'm a bad bitch, I'm beautiful, 276 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: I'm amazing, I'm smart, and I'm black, deal with it. 277 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: But the otherwise was more much more self serving. But 278 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: in the populace, to elevate my name, elevate my brain 279 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: so so that whether it's you know, selling a book, 280 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: whether it's running for office one day, whatever I want 281 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: to do in the broader society, I get to do 282 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: much more easily because people know who I am. Yeah, 283 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: what do you think's next for you? Oh? I know 284 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: a lot of things that are next for me, y'all. 285 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: First of all, this book goes on sale in January. 286 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: What say? Yeah? So it's bet on Black The Very 287 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: Good News about Being Black in America Today, UM, which 288 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: is a different kind of book about you know, race 289 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: and blackness. It's not a trauma story. It's not a 290 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: heavy like oh my god, how sad is it is? No, 291 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: It's like this is a dope time to be a 292 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: black American. UM, And I I love that you said that. 293 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: It just really gave me chills. Hell yeah. And so 294 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: I go into the details of that. The other things 295 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: I've got going on. Season two of the podcast Holding 296 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: Court is going great. I've got um. Oh, actually, I 297 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: do a true crime series OWN and investigative Discovery. Yeah 298 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: you have, and you don't understand I haven't. Teddy's obsessed. 299 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: She used to have a podcast. I used to do 300 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: a podcast with somebody else because I was, I honestly like, 301 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: it's a sickness the level that I need to investigate 302 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: crime and I fall asleep to her. She thinks she 303 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: works for the FBI, but mostly she's when she's not. 304 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: Teddy walters what I but I hate I always know 305 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: who the killer is. I always can break the nace 306 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: you can't sleep to with forensic files every night. So 307 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: I feel you, Teddy. No. So this is Dark Night 308 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: in the City that airs on OWN starting in December, 309 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: top of the year. UM. Also, I host a daily 310 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: news show Degrio with Ebanie Kay Williams. UM. And then 311 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: I've got a fun little syndicated surprise that's gonna drop 312 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: next year. So you know, I'm busy. You know, I 313 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: love it. Can I give you one thought that I 314 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: wish you would do? Can you also do a children's 315 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: book how we can talk to our kids and educating 316 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,239 Speaker 1: them in ways that maybe we weren't educated growing up. 317 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah. Actually I would love to adopt 318 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: this one for young adults, teddy, because I agree with that. 319 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: So I'm so excited you guys as kids, and I'm 320 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: actually on my motherhood path. Two. That's also what's next 321 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: for me. I just found out how many embryos I had. Yeah, 322 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: I got a donor. I created embryos just recently. Okay, 323 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: so how did you take you pick your donor? How 324 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,959 Speaker 1: did you pick your donor? Well up, looks tech. I'm 325 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: just how tall they were, how smart they were? Like 326 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: did you have actually tell him where? Yes? Of course? 327 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: How healthy? How tall? How smart? He was a college athlete. 328 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: He's also like twenty three, So there you go. Well, 329 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: you know turned down back in the day, I was 330 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: so broke when I first came to l A. I 331 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: wanted to um harvest, you know, do like an egg 332 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: donor egg. Okay, I'm dead right now. I didn't know 333 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: this about you. Oh my gosh. Um, but either way, 334 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: I made it pretty far. I thought I was going 335 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: to get ten thousand an egg and then they said 336 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: to me, we just believe went into your background and 337 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: we saw that you didn't go to college, and then 338 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: they so nobody wants your eggs. They were like, you 339 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: know what, So instead of that, I gave you five. 340 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: And I was like, nobody that wants John somebody that 341 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: wants John Mellencamp as their grandfather. Your name, they didn't 342 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: know who. I was like, they ship comes out one 343 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: way or another, right either well especially yeah, yeah, that's 344 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Do you have three? Oh? I was 345 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: just watching somebody who got married to somebody who ended 346 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: up being their fifth cousin and they found out. So funny. Okay, 347 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: but let's we also need to talk about raising kids 348 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: solo because that's huge. Yeah. Yeah, listen, it's it's it's 349 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: not something I took lightly. I want you, you guys 350 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: both to know that I actually had a real tough 351 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: time with that. Um So if I felt like, well, 352 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: maybe adoptions a better path for that, because that kid's 353 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: going to be in the world anyway. And I'm still 354 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: wide open to adoption. I was raised by a single mom. 355 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: I do feel I occupy a life that I could 356 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: give a lot if I didn't feel like I could 357 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: give a ton to a kid. Um from every perspective, love, finances, culture, 358 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: the people I know like look Auntie Teddy, Auntie Camera Like, 359 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: I feel like that's just a special thing to be 360 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: able to give a young person. So I'm gonna do it. 361 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: But um, but it is something to think about it. 362 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: I and I expect, um, you know, people to have 363 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: mixed feelings about it, So how funk everybody who cares that? 364 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: They think? But how soon do you think that you're 365 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: gonna be expecting? Well, if God is good all the time? 366 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: What she is I play to do my trips for 367 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: in October? Oh well, I'm so excited going through IBS. 368 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: There's extreme highs and lows, but the end is so incredible. 369 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: And I can tell you this my daughter's best friend. Um, 370 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: she has two daughters, and she did it the same 371 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: way as you're as doing it. And I have to 372 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: say that her daughter is probably one of the most loving, 373 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: empathetic kind Like she like, she's actually with me right now. 374 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: They're they're riding bikes outside but like so sweet. She 375 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: is such a adjusted and loving child. Yes, that's how 376 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: I feel. Now you're gonna make me cry, No, I 377 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: I am. I'm really excited and listen to your Yeah. 378 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: Like I got a call right before I did a 379 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: segment on Good Morning America last uh wait, yeah that 380 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: was earlier this week, and I was sad because I 381 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: was expecting more embryos, to be honest, like you know 382 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: how that goes, um, But then it's like you have 383 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: to just be grateful for every stuff of the problem. 384 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: Do you have two and they're all and I'm waiting 385 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: to see about the genetic testing up, so I might 386 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: have to do another retrieval um, you know, which is 387 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: the process, so we'll see. The biggest thing is like 388 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: once you do the genetic testing, then if you have 389 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: I mean I tried to bunch putting two in at once, 390 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: and then what ended up working for me is actually 391 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: once I just put one in the healthiest one and 392 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: he actually took. But it is I mean, especially as women, 393 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: we put this pressure on ourselves of like we should 394 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: be able to do, you know, like I should be 395 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: all and when you can't, be really difficult. And I 396 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: got a lot of Heat on the show. When I 397 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: said that, people are like, why why would you say that, 398 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, because from a young age you're taught this 399 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: is this is what you're supposed to do, and so 400 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: it is really challenging. But it once it takes and 401 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: it works, it is the most beautiful ever. So I 402 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: will be praying for you and thinking about the process. 403 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And I also scared to death 404 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: because I know mothering the hardest thing I'll ever do. 405 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: But oh, this is for you. It's gonna be It's 406 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: gonna be easy. I mean not even it's gonna be hard. 407 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: But the part that nobody really warned me about that 408 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: I think it's so much more talked about now, is 409 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 1: like that like postpartum. Not a lot of people talk 410 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: about post part of depression, but the post part of 411 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: anxiety for someone like us who are always on the 412 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: go and doing things that I had it so bad 413 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: because I always want things to be right. I want 414 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: things to be good. I want to make sure that 415 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: this and this business and all of a sudden, your 416 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: body she's a control creak. Oh yeah, you don't say, oh, 417 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. You guys are so laid back I 418 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: can feel I am totally Taipei. I'm like, that's what 419 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: that's what I love about. So next question is, did 420 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: you ever have a conversation with Bethany? No, well, no, 421 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: not about the show. The one and only time I've 422 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: ever met Bethany in real life and had a conversation 423 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: with her was pre my Housewife days. Actually, my ex 424 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: fiance and I were on UM one of those little 425 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: like uber private jet things UM and Bethany was on 426 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: the same flight actually coming from that infamous dinner in 427 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: I think Calm Beach or whatever whatever it was. Anyways, 428 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: and we were talking about the fact that I wanted 429 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: kids in my fiance at the time was on the fence, 430 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: and Bethany gave great advice actually, and because she was 431 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: like all in our ship, like what's your situation? Like 432 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: you look way older than her, like you know what 433 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was like it was like 434 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: I had the same conversation with her years ago. Yeah, 435 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: And so she goes to me, she goes, I just 436 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: met you have your baby. She has no disrespect to you, sir, 437 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: but fuck you. She needs to have her baby. And 438 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: if you get with it, great, and if you don't whatever, 439 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: but you will never regret is having your baby. And 440 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: here I am five years later after she said that 441 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: to me, and she's right, Well, we will be thinking 442 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: about you we have. Honestly, you are such an incredible surprise, 443 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: like you're the second you came on your energy energy. Oh, 444 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: I love her. I wish we were in person, and 445 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: like now we could go for cocktails. Well when we 446 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: got to New York next, we're gonna hit you up, 447 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: please do. I'm sure. I love you guys as as 448 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: a team, as a due and I wanted to just 449 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: leave with this before we go. I wanted to say 450 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: that what you guys have represented as housewives, um, and 451 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: what life can look like. And I know Tim where 452 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: you're going back full time, which is amazing. And I 453 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: don't know what the funk they were thinking getting rid 454 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: of but whatever anyway, UM mean, But like every good acts, 455 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: they came crawling back and they always do, honey, and 456 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: they always do. But guess what what you guys did. 457 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 1: From a business perspective in the interim, I just wish 458 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: more women. The show is amazing, but you can do 459 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: a lot pivoting off the show for sure. From up 460 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: from a business perspective for sure. Me, Duddy, I could 461 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: be wrong. I think you're even more relevant culturally now 462 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: than you were when you were. And you know, it's 463 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: the biggest thing for me is there's something about when 464 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: you get fired as a housewife where your pride. Honestly, 465 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if you felt the same way, but 466 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: like there's that moment where I was like, oh, like 467 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: and then finally I just got over that and I'm like, 468 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: you know what, this is an opportunity to succeed. Like 469 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: there's a reason I was. I may have been fired, 470 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: but there was a reason I was hired from the 471 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: in the first place. And that pas carry on talking 472 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: to all of you guys, learning from y'all, laughing at 473 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: you guys, and creating more content that people want to hear. 474 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: So that part, that part pulling, pulling the curtain back, Teddy, 475 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: and I think you've been fantastic, posing even more stronger 476 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: and brighter and shined brighter. And I talked about this 477 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: actually in chapter three of the book, which is like 478 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: the roney of it all, that's the tea, like, that's 479 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: the spilling of the tea and everything that. But now 480 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: I saw my firing coming which is I think a 481 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: little unique because I think anybody reunion, we didn't have 482 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: a reunion. Um, we hadn't filmed for over a year. 483 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: I knew we were all gonna get fired. I was shocked. 484 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: I was shocked because I thought that New York was 485 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: there their golden child. I always thought that New York 486 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: was their golden child. I thought New York would would 487 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: live to the end. I know what I need to know. 488 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: One thing. Did you go to HR before you went 489 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: to Ramona? Well, I never went to Ramona. I'm gonna 490 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: tell you why, though, Teddy, and and don't don't look 491 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: like that. I'm gonna tell you why my issue. Ramona 492 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: never quote did anything to me. So if you go 493 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: listen to my episode of UM, sometimes you gotta take 494 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: an m effort of human resources. I was going to 495 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: HR on behalf of cast and crew that said that 496 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: she had done very specific things to them. So I'm 497 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: not like, I'm also a lawyer, Teddy, so it would 498 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: actually be non protocol for me to go to Ramona 499 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: and be like, I heard you said this, I heard 500 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: you didn't know. I don't know what then you said, Ramona. 501 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: You might not have said anything or you might have 502 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: said it all. My job now is to go to 503 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: the entities that be and say, hey, somebody bought this 504 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: to me, it seems like worth looking into. I didn't 505 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: say it's credible. I didn't say it's not because I 506 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: don't fucking know. I wasn't there. You guys need to 507 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: investigate and whatever, you guys, if the fine things had 508 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: been Ramona is clear as a bell great man to 509 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: move forward. I would love to have a personal conversation 510 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: with you about that. But I have a question. Do 511 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: you watch j C, because will you come on and 512 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: recap one of those episodes just me once. I'm gonna say, 513 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: I sit at the throne of Jesus, Judge, Yes, I 514 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: sit at the throne that is, to me, the best 515 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: moniker of any housewives. I cannot absolutely recap TAM's messy 516 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: behavior with you, So I'm messing for that call I'm missing. 517 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: I go back with a lot of built up anger 518 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: for being fires and that's the best time. Girl. That's 519 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: I love you both. Thank you so much. You're amazing, 520 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Amazing by y'all.