WEBVTT - Drowned in Success 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:02.880 Media. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:06.840 Something strange is going on. Another member of the Russian 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:09.920 elite has been found dead. Reports suggest that he fell 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:13.280 out of a window, poisoned with mushrooms, died of heart failure, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.560 died of carbonnoxide poisoning. How comesy are they? Dozens of 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:23.400 Russian oligachs, politically motivated millionaires have died in the space 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:28.600 for three years, most of them in suspicious circumstances. Many 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:32.680 have hidden links to the Kremlin. This is sad Oligach 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:37.960 Season two, an ongoing investigation into these recently dead of 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:42.800 Russian power brokers. Sad Oligach is created by me jake 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:47.879 Hanrahan and my Ukrainian colleague Sergey Slipchenkov. This is a 0:00:48.080 --> 0:01:07.440 H eleven studio and Coolso Media production. July twenty seventh, 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:13.680 twenty twenty four, Russian financier Georgi Chibisov is getting ready 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:17.400 for a party on his luxury yacht. At forty four 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:19.720 years old, He's done a right for himself, to say 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:23.320 the least. He works as the marketing director of the 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:28.440 Moscow Stock Exchange. He's been working abroad recently, though mostly 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:32.080 in London. He's only been back in Russia for a month. 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:37.000 A man in Georgie's position with his money is likely 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.520 to be riding the seas on a Sunseeker, a very 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:45.240 common yacht amongst the Russian upper class. The Sunseeker is 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:50.880 a British made luxury motor powered yacht. The design is streamlined, pointy, 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:57.480 almost sportslike hard edges smooth. It's thirty meters long and 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.960 has a top speed of around thirty knots. There are 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.080 five cabins, a master suite and room for up to 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:08.760 five crew members. The main deck has a whole entrance lobby, 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:12.240 a luxury bar and dining for up to eight people. 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.320 These yachts have more than an average person has in 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:23.000 their home. Very posh, very elite. On this night, Georgie 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:28.600 Chibasov is feeling himself. Of course, he's hosting a party 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:33.800 on his own yacht. It bobs up and down gently 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:38.200 in the Mosque for River. This river flows through the 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:41.720 Moscow province and part of the Smolensko Blast in the 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:45.440 west of the country. It's an important source of Moscow's 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.800 water supply. The yacht is docked in the river for 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:54.519 a while. After Georgie's recent holidays here, there, and everywhere, 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:05.360 Georgie's friends and associates get the party started on the yacht. 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:12.320 There are dozens of people on board. There's music, dancing, 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:17.000 alcohol seen as there's people from the banking world on board. 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:24.040 There's also almost definitely cocaine. In the eighties, a report 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.880 written off the back of a drug enforcement operation in 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:31.680 the US cited that roughly ninety percent of people working 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:36.800 in the financial district used cocaine. Russia is not much different. 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:47.680 Little has changed since the eighties. The party is in 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:52.200 full swing. It's dark at the harbor, but the yacht 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.840 glows like a night light on the river. It's a 0:03:55.880 --> 0:04:01.000 bachelor party, probably hopefully for one of Georgie's friends, as 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.880 he himself is married. At some point in the night, 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:09.080 Georgie is separated from the crowd on this boat full 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:13.560 of partygoers. He wanders out into the darkness, maybe for 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:21.280 a cigarette, who knows. At some point, somehow he falls 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.679 straight off the side of his yacht and plunges into 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:30.080 the dark water below. It's not a huge drop, maybe 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:34.400 six or seven meters about twenty three feet. Impact with 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.839 the water from that height would sting a lot, but 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:41.279 it's highly unlikely you die from that alone. Presumably though 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:46.160 Georgie had been drinking at the party, perhaps even drunk, 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.720 and the body is filled up with too much alcohol. 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:57.159 The body doesn't operate properly. It's called motor incoordination, also 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:01.080 known as being pissed drunk, the limbs don't do what 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.600 the brain wants. If you've ever drank too much, you'll 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:09.680 know the deal. Georgie is now up to his neck 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.880 in dark water in the middle of the night, having 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:21.080 drank and partied for hours. He's fully clothed, shoes on, 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:25.200 kicks in the water, calls for help. The music is playing. 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:29.760 No one hears. He struggles, tries to swim. He's drank 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:34.479 too much, though Georgie goes under. The more he kicks 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:39.560 and fights it, the faster he sinks. He's drowning. Water 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.039 fills his lungs as he can hold his breath not more. 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:50.720 Before long he needs a watery end, dead, drowned beside 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:55.799 his own yachts. After an hour or so, people begin 0:05:55.880 --> 0:06:00.880 to notice Georgie's absence. Where is he? But to this 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:04.480 point the people panic. They search for Georgie. They call 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:09.719 out his name, they called his phone. Nothing, They can't 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:13.520 find him because, of course, he's at the bottom of 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:19.080 the river. Despite the panic, for some reason, the friends 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:23.560 then don't do much at all. The police are only 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:27.839 alerted by Georgie's wife several hours later when she gets 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.560 worried that she hasn't heard from him. Of course, she 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.479 can't get hold of him. A day later, this corpse 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:38.480 is dredged from the mosque of the river. Following that 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:43.559 the trail goes completely cold. No update in over a year. 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:48.560 Of course, according to authorities, it was just a random tragedy, 0:06:49.080 --> 0:07:03.039 a simple accidental death. Apparently, well, that was just story one. 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.479 There were very few details on this case. And yet 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:10.239 somehow all the official stories we've found, in both Russian 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:14.520 and in English all contradict each other to some degree. 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:18.320 That is, the small amount of information in each press 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:20.960 release on this varies to the point of there being 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:25.160 three different versions of that faithful day when Georgie drowned 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:30.400 in the Mosqueva. Story two is quite similar, but it 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.600 differs in that it says Georgie was out all night 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:38.320 partying elsewhere, possibly in the city or at a friend's house. 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:44.239 According to the alternative information, the yacht wasn't actually Georgie's either, 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:48.240 it was someone else's. The way he died, though, is 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.239 much the same. He wandered off from the main crowd 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.120 whilst on the yacht and then fell into the water. 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.600 This version, however, says that the worried friends who went 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.400 looking for him are the ones who called the police, 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:08.040 not Georgie's wife. She was alerted later. Then there's story three. 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:15.440 This one is quite different. In this third version of events, 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:20.480 Georgie was not on a yacht specifically, It was apparently 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:25.800 on a quote ship whilst on holiday. Now I took 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.120 this to mean a cruise ship, and if you fall 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.280 off of a cruise ship, you're looking at a considerably 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.600 higher drop than if you fell from a yacht. The 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.480 story doesn't actually say anything about which ship, where it 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.240 was going, where it had come from, and what happened 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.920 when they found out a holidaymaker had fallen off of it. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.920 Either way, for the sake of argument, let's just presume 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:53.120 it was an averaged sized cruise ship. It would have 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:57.160 been around one thousand feet long, with about fifteen decks 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:01.520 and space for roughly three thousand passengers. If you fall 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:05.040 from the main deck of a cruise ship, even an 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:09.200 average size one, you're looking at a one hundred feet 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:14.520 drop till you hit the water. You'd probably die on impact. 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.120 From this height, the body falls at around fifty miles 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.240 an hour. When you hit the water's surface, you might 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:26.319 as well be hitting concrete. The speed and impact are 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.080 likely going to knock you out and then of course 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:33.600 you drown. If Georgie was on a cruise ship, he 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:38.320 had no hope whatsoever when he fell. According to this 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.559 series of events, he didn't just slip off of the 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:46.920 edge dock. He was apparently messing around on a diving platform. 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.360 Now this struck me, so I had to look around, 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.240 and it turns out you cannot actually dock a proper 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.959 cruise ship in the Moskva River. It's not deep enough 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:06.520 and several places it's far too narrow. Okay, all right, 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:15.199 now it's time for a quick adbreak, all right, Not 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:24.199 for that, now back to the shore. Still though, I 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:28.480 wanted to know where this extra diving platform information comes from, 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:32.040 and it seems to be from the Russian news outlet 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:38.080 mk U. This is a Moscow based newspaper with a 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:42.480 circulation of around one million. It's been going it since 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:47.120 nineteen nineteen and is known for its political and societal 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:53.319 commentary surprise. It's pro Kremlin pro putin and is owned 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:59.360 by a man named Pavel Gusev. Gusev has strong ties 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:03.440 to the Kremlin. He's been a member of the Presidential 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:07.840 Council for Civil Society and Human Rights of the Russian Federation. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.640 People appointed to this position on this board are picked 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:21.000 specifically by Putin himself. Anyway, Pavel Gusev's MKRU says that 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:27.000 quote one of the vacationers, Georgie, neglected safety rules and apparently, 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:31.439 according to Newsweek quote, tried to use the diving platform 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:36.440 alone before falling into the water. No passengers saw what 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.160 happen to Chibisov, as no staff for nearby and the 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:45.560 captain was driving the yacht. Convenient Emergency services were alerted 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.920 on July twenty seventh to a criminal case of operation 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:55.280 of water transport. The Western Interregional Investigative Department for Transport 0:11:55.960 --> 0:12:00.840 currently investigating the situation as a potential death by negligence 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:04.959 through operation of a water transport, which carries a maximum 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:11.560 penalty of five years imprisonment. Ends quote. Now the ship 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.960 is identified as a yacht, but in this version the 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.680 yacht seems to be one that gives trips up and 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.440 down the river at night so people can party. Every 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.560 big city with a river has these. You pay your money, 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:28.480 you jump on board the yacht, sales on a circuit, 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.880 you have fun. Personally, I've never been on one. I 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:34.480 have been invited, but to me it sounded like the 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:40.280 worst thing on earth. The only detail in this third story, 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.320 which is becoming an increasingly confusion amalgamation of sources I 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:49.120 know that I find new and noteworthy, is this from 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:55.440 Mkru quote. The top manager Georgie disappeared on the evening 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.800 of July twenty seventh after falling from a pleasure boat 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:03.000 while sailing along the Moscow River. According to relatives, he 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.640 wrote a message to his wife and never contacted her again. 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.720 Ends quote. By the way, a pleasure boat is not 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.200 as serious it sounds. It's just a name for the 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.560 party I explained a minute ago. We'll come back to 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:20.840 this quote about messaging his wife though in a bit so. 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:24.560 Why the varying series of different stories when it comes 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.720 to this case, well, it seems to be due to 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:32.760 Russian reporters copying and pasting together different bits of information 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.960 about the Georgie death from here, there and everywhere at 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.559 least that's what Sergei said he felt was happening when 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.439 he was reading it again. Though, this comes back to 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.960 the hurdles we keep facing with each case. There seems 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.240 to be a collective effort in Kremlin backed media to 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.920 report vaguely and contradictory when it comes to this series 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:58.640 of mysterious, wealthy Russian deaths. In the first series, each 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.040 case had a pretty extensive well of knowledge to tap. 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:07.040 There were crime scene photos, people we could contact, eyewitnesses, 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:11.120 quotes from the eyewitnesses, proper statements from the police, all 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:15.160 of that. But as we've seen with each case in 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:22.360 season two, there is allmost nothing. Now I'm not saying 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.720 that the Kremlin knows or cares what we're doing, but 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:27.520 it does seem to me as if there is a 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:31.280 concerted effort to make sure there is little information going 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.760 out there when it comes to the depth of rich 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:38.640 Russian power brokers. The information that does go out there 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:42.600 is very contradictory, and you could easily falsely report the 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:48.520 wrong situation. I think that is by design. So in 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:54.640 that case, which story about Georgi Chibasov is the real one? Well, 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.680 this is something we've tried to get to the bottom 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.560 of and as far as I can tell, kind of 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:04.240 all of them and also none of them. Let me explain. 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.080 So I think we need to jigsaw some of the 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:11.560 information together here to figure out the most realistic situation 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:16.240 before we move on to what happened. Remember this is 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.600 just my point of view, having spent years research and 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.320 all of this, but I could of course be wrong. 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.720 We have to take a little bit from story one, 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.520 a pinch of story two, and a dash of story three. 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:35.800 Here's what I think we get. Georgi Chibasov had only 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:39.480 been back in Russia for one month, if that, he'd 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:43.640 spent the past two years in London working away. No 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:48.360 doubt being home was a cause for extended celebration. On 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.600 the night of his death, he went to his friend's 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.200 bachelor party that was held on one of these pleasure boats. 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.920 These expensive parties on yachts that go up and down 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.120 the river so those who can afford it can feel special. 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.000 In the midst of this party, Georgie went out for 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.120 a sig and, whilst drunk, stumbled over the edge of 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:12.360 the railings and died in the river. The yacht carried 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:19.160 on its married way as he drowned to death. Now, 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.240 this could well just be an accident. Of all the 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.920 cases we've been looking at so far in season two, 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.120 this one is most likely a situation where the cigar 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:33.800 is just a cigar. Still, though, I have a hunch 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.800 that there's more to it. Something that keeps sticking in 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:42.520 my head is Mkiu's claim that Georgie tried to climb 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:47.000 up onto the diving platform. He apparently tried to do this, 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:52.520 presumably whilst drunk in the dark, on his own, whilst 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:56.440 everyone else partied inside the yacht as it moved along 0:16:56.600 --> 0:17:00.640 the river. That alone seems a pretty weird thing to 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:05.200 do for a man of forty four years old. Also, 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.879 there's this constant claim that no one saw what happened 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:12.359 to Georgie. The captain was driving the yacht, the passengers 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:16.080 were partying, the staff were serving them. Then, how the 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.399 fuck does anybody know that Georgie climbed up onto a 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:25.480 diving platform and fell off. How cameras maybe, but why 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.679 hasn't anyone reported that? Where are the images? Why wouldn't 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:33.840 the newspaper mention security footage if there was some. There's 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.880 not even a single screenshot of Georgie on the deck 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:43.000 of any yacht anywhere. Something doesn't add up here. If 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:46.040 there was a motive for someone to kill Georgie, it 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:50.200 could have something to do with his background or his employment. 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.840 Let's talk to Surgery and see what he's found. So 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.800 I think really to kind of work out if there 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.639 might be some kind of other element to all of 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.560 this with Georgie, I think we need to look at 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:08.399 his background. I know, again he's another one who's a 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.480 bit of a ghost, but there's a few things out there, 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:12.800 whatever you managed to find. 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.680 Yeah, So I mean I'm basically looking at his background. 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:17.320 I guess you can say kind of like work history 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.199 his He doesn't have a LinkedIn or anything like that, 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.280 but a few articles kind of lining it out. So 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.280 basically nineteen ninety nine, it says he started in e commerce. 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.879 Sounds like he's kind of doing everything at that point. 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.879 He's like selling, he's finding places to actually buy the 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.080 stuff to sell, and he's selling it online. It sounds like, 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:36.439 I mean, it's nineteen ninety nine, so you know, e 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:39.240 commerce is kind of just starting. So that's what it 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.800 sounds like. Like it's a very like kind of doing things 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.800 on his own, figuring things out in the early two 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:48.400 thousands is when he joins more kind of bigger places, 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.119 so like there's like these are Russian places, so I 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.960 don't think like you'll know them, but like wiki Mart 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.200 and a bunch of other places that even I haven't 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.560 heard before, basically just online retailers. I guess you can 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.280 kind of think like Amazon kind of places. Maybe eBay. 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.560 I guess he's say hustling selling different things. Doesn't specify 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.360 like what exactly he's selling, but at some point, and 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.560 like late two thousands, he figures out that he likes marketing. 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.280 That's what he focuses on, and that's what he works on. 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.760 I didn't see him have any specific like degrees or anything. 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.240 It kind of sounds like he's more like self taught. Again, 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:25.040 it's very early Internet kind of getting his way around it. 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:26.919 It sounds like he's like an early adopter, you know, 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.440 doing e commerce in ninety nine. 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:31.680 It was pure wild West back then. I remember even 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:33.840 reading in the newspaper as a kid at the time 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.680 about people that had made millions just on eBay. I 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.280 remember this one guy that basically bought a load of 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:45.159 very cheap camping gear from China through a logo on 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:46.919 some of it, and then was just selling on eBay 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:49.280 for like double the prize and just making a fortune. 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.320 That time was crazy, like people would just making money 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:58.239 left and right in the e commerce world. Okay, all right, 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:08.119 now it's time at break. Oh not for that, now 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:08.920 back to the shore. 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.000 Yeah, exactly. That's the thing that there is no degree 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.639 at that point, especially right for this kind of stuff. 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:18.560 It's like you said, as the world West that you're 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:20.719 just kind of figuring it out. And I'm sure at 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:22.919 that time, you know, having any kind of experience like 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.600 this would probably you know, get you a pretty good 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.320 job if you can help people figure this out. But yeah, 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:30.399 it sounds like, you know, he kind of figured his 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.679 own way out. He's making it pretty well. There's like 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:36.280 a whole list of companies that he worked at. It 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:39.359 sounds like he made his way up, like started as 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:42.520 a marketer and then eventually he was like leading departments, 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:46.760 kind of being director of this and that, communications marketing 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.720 stuff like that. Eventually he makes his way to a 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:53.840 UK based company it's called Wheelie. It's interesting because none 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.920 of the Russian articles, I would say like ninety percent 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:59.359 of them don't even mention him working here. Most of 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.719 them would say he was in the UK for the 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.440 past two years, which that would have been like so 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:09.040 he passed away in July twenty twenty four. Using their timeframe, 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.680 it's like twenty twenty two, twenty three years in the UK, 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:16.080 London specifically, And they don't don't say anything other than 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:19.199 he's kind of finishing his business or whatever, just very 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:21.560 vague stuff, which I found kind of interesting that they 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:23.760 don't really mention him working here. There was like one 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:26.600 article that just says, yeah, he was a marketer for Wheely. 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:29.879 That's kind of where I started. But the reason I 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.240 could confirm he was at Wheeley and the actual timeline, 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:36.560 which is he worked there from twenty twenty two until 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.639 May twenty twenty four, was from his own telegram page, 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.520 because other than that, I couldn't find it anywhere else. 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.400 He had his own telegram channel where he could say 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.080 was being a bit of like an influencer, kind of like, oh, guys, 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.280 here's what you do for marketing, like kind of posting 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:53.200 different strategies and goals and things he saw that were 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:56.600 interesting to him, and like different marketing campaigns he liked. 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:58.760 Kind of more like a LinkedIn influencer. 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:03.760 I guess yeah, that like like hustle bro business bro 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.880 vibe to it, right, Like he's kind of I mean 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:10.320 he's forty four. He's not exactly like old or anything yet, 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:12.479 but he was in that kind of he grew up 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:14.600 in that weird era. So yeah, I had a look 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.720 at the telegram and he's really like he's just trying 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:20.280 to be like that guy online, like hey, like stick 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:22.280 with me, I'll I'll tell you how to make money. 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:25.359 And if for anyone that doesn't know, like this, WHEELI 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:30.000 is a strange business. It's kind of like luxury chauffeurs, 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:33.439 like it's it's kind of it's called trusted chauffeurs for 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:36.879 discerning travelers. It's kind of like again, I think for 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:42.160 people maybe that perhaps don't have the money they want 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:44.840 people to think they have. That's the vibe. Yet, And 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:48.120 you can pay to basically be driven around or delivered 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:52.280 somewhere virus chauffeur in a very nice car that's not 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:56.480 actually yours. But again, it is interesting that apparently he 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:58.720 worked in London doing this, but there's not really any 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:00.960 trace of that. I actually reached out to them, got 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:04.800 absolutely nothing, And yeah, it's just like he was just 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:08.439 he was tying up business in London, like what like 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.440 very weird and then to go from that to come 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:15.880 to Russia for a month. But he works as the 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:20.359 marketing stock exchange in Moscow, Like I don't know, there's 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:22.480 it's quite there's quite a lot going on here. 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:24.679 Yeah, and he's not just coming in as a marketer. 0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:27.400 From what I could tell, they don't men, they didn't 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:29.760 like not all sources mentioned his exact titles. You would 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:32.119 just say, yeah, like marketing at the stock exchange, but 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:35.440 multiple sources say director, so you know, not just not 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:38.080 just like some senior I don't know, associate or something like. 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:40.800 It sounds like he's kind of leading it and the 0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:44.400 Moscow Stock Exchange, you know, pretty big deal. And yeah, 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:46.600 like like you said, he comes here in June, so 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:48.960 just a month before his death June twenty twenty four, 0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:51.320 he comes to Moscow like he moves there because he 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:54.160 was he was permanently living in the UK for two years. 0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:56.800 It wasn't like traveling back and forth or anything like that. 0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:59.240 Like he he was. He was like there for two 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:02.800 years and he moves back, he moves back to Russia. 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:05.880 He's in Moscow for a month. I guess two months 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:07.920 because his death was closer to the end of July. 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:11.359 But yeah, so two months, and yeah, he passes away 0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:14.240 and that that's pretty much it. Like there's not much 0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:16.360 not much in between it like there's not much time 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:18.399 in between two for anything to happen. 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:22.919 Really, So, Georgie worked for a short time before his 0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:26.920 death as the marketing director for the Moscow Stock Exchange, 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:32.040 colloquially known as MOX. This is a very big role 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:36.000 with a lot of responsibility, so I wondered could his 0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:41.040 workplace shed some light on Georgie's fate. First, I wanted 0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:44.480 to take a look at potential corruption within the marketing 0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:49.080 department at MOX, specifically, as we know, whenever there's corruption 0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:53.800 in Russia, there are soon bodies and what do you know, 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:57.800 the MOX marketing people have been up to know good. 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:02.840 There are several allegations that the press service at the 0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:07.240 Stock Exchange have been selling desirable coverage to help businesses 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:12.600 with investments. This is illegal. There are whispers that they've 0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:16.000 been taking bribes to change the coverage to assist in 0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:20.840 a form of insider trading. Nancy Pelosi would absolutely love 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:29.320 this Allegedly, the corruption goes deeper. It's said that people 0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:33.040 at the Moek's marketing department have been taking payment in 0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:36.920 an agreement that they'll spin financial news to assist traders 0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:41.920 who want to manipulate the market, specifically tamping down bad 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:45.280 news long enough to allow investors to get themselves out 0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:49.040 of a bag hole. So I think you have to ask, 0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:52.880 could Georgie have come into a corrupt department and been 0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:58.120 taken out for refusing to play ball? Maybe, but honestly 0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:02.120 I think it's unlikely. Two months is hardly enough time 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.719 for heavies to lean on a man who's just started 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:09.760 at his new role. What I find more interesting is 0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:13.680 Georgie's time in London. He left Russia to go work 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.800 in the UK just around the time that Russia launched 0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:20.919 the full scale invasion of Ukraine. As far as we 0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:24.560 can see, Georgie never said anything publicly had on about 0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:28.359 the war. What we did find was an indirect comment 0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:32.000 about how it's affecting the markets. This was twenty four 0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:36.800 hours before he died, so the last post was on 0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:40.879 Friday July twenty sixth, or a day before he died, 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:44.359 two days before his body was found he's discussing the 0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:48.240 interest rate increase by the Bank of Russia from sixteen 0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:51.760 to eighteen percent, and he says here quote, you can 0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:54.199