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Speaker 1: Media.

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Speaker 2: Something strange is going on. Another member of the Russian

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Speaker 2: elite has been found dead. Reports suggest that he fell

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Speaker 2: out of a window, poisoned with mushrooms, died of heart failure,

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Speaker 2: died of carbonnoxide poisoning. How comesy are they? Dozens of

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Speaker 2: Russian oligachs, politically motivated millionaires have died in the space

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Speaker 2: for three years, most of them in suspicious circumstances. Many

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Speaker 2: have hidden links to the Kremlin. This is sad Oligach

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Speaker 2: Season two, an ongoing investigation into these recently dead of

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Speaker 2: Russian power brokers. Sad Oligach is created by me jake

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Speaker 2: Hanrahan and my Ukrainian colleague Sergey Slipchenkov. This is a

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Speaker 2: H eleven studio and Coolso Media production. July twenty seventh,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, Russian financier Georgi Chibisov is getting ready

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Speaker 2: for a party on his luxury yacht. At forty four

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Speaker 2: years old, He's done a right for himself, to say

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Speaker 2: the least. He works as the marketing director of the

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Speaker 2: Moscow Stock Exchange. He's been working abroad recently, though mostly

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Speaker 2: in London. He's only been back in Russia for a month.

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Speaker 2: A man in Georgie's position with his money is likely

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Speaker 2: to be riding the seas on a Sunseeker, a very

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Speaker 2: common yacht amongst the Russian upper class. The Sunseeker is

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Speaker 2: a British made luxury motor powered yacht. The design is streamlined, pointy,

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Speaker 2: almost sportslike hard edges smooth. It's thirty meters long and

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Speaker 2: has a top speed of around thirty knots. There are

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Speaker 2: five cabins, a master suite and room for up to

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Speaker 2: five crew members. The main deck has a whole entrance lobby,

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Speaker 2: a luxury bar and dining for up to eight people.

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Speaker 2: These yachts have more than an average person has in

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Speaker 2: their home. Very posh, very elite. On this night, Georgie

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Speaker 2: Chibasov is feeling himself. Of course, he's hosting a party

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Speaker 2: on his own yacht. It bobs up and down gently

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Speaker 2: in the Mosque for River. This river flows through the

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Speaker 2: Moscow province and part of the Smolensko Blast in the

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Speaker 2: west of the country. It's an important source of Moscow's

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Speaker 2: water supply. The yacht is docked in the river for

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Speaker 2: a while. After Georgie's recent holidays here, there, and everywhere,

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Speaker 2: Georgie's friends and associates get the party started on the yacht.

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Speaker 2: There are dozens of people on board. There's music, dancing,

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Speaker 2: alcohol seen as there's people from the banking world on board.

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Speaker 2: There's also almost definitely cocaine. In the eighties, a report

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Speaker 2: the US cited that roughly ninety percent of people working

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Speaker 2: in the financial district used cocaine. Russia is not much different.

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Speaker 2: Little has changed since the eighties. The party is in

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Speaker 2: full swing. It's dark at the harbor, but the yacht

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Speaker 2: glows like a night light on the river. It's a

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Speaker 2: bachelor party, probably hopefully for one of Georgie's friends, as

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Speaker 2: he himself is married. At some point in the night,

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Speaker 2: Georgie is separated from the crowd on this boat full

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Speaker 2: of partygoers. He wanders out into the darkness, maybe for

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Speaker 2: a cigarette, who knows. At some point, somehow he falls

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Speaker 2: straight off the side of his yacht and plunges into

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Speaker 2: the dark water below. It's not a huge drop, maybe

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Speaker 2: six or seven meters about twenty three feet. Impact with

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Speaker 2: the water from that height would sting a lot, but

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Speaker 2: it's highly unlikely you die from that alone. Presumably though

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Speaker 2: Georgie had been drinking at the party, perhaps even drunk,

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Speaker 2: and the body is filled up with too much alcohol.

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Speaker 2: The body doesn't operate properly. It's called motor incoordination, also

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Speaker 2: known as being pissed drunk, the limbs don't do what

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Speaker 2: know the deal. Georgie is now up to his neck

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Speaker 2: in dark water in the middle of the night, having

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Speaker 2: kicks in the water, calls for help. The music is playing.

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Speaker 2: No one hears. He struggles, tries to swim. He's drank

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Speaker 2: too much, though Georgie goes under. The more he kicks

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Speaker 2: and fights it, the faster he sinks. He's drowning. Water

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Speaker 2: Before long he needs a watery end, dead, drowned beside

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Speaker 2: his own yachts. After an hour or so, people begin

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Speaker 2: to notice Georgie's absence. Where is he? But to this

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Speaker 2: point the people panic. They search for Georgie. They call

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Speaker 2: then don't do much at all. The police are only

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Speaker 2: Of course, according to authorities, it was just a random tragedy,

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Speaker 2: a simple accidental death. Apparently, well, that was just story one.

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Speaker 2: There were very few details on this case. And yet

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Speaker 2: somehow all the official stories we've found, in both Russian

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Speaker 2: That is, the small amount of information in each press

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Speaker 2: three different versions of that faithful day when Georgie drowned

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Speaker 2: in the Mosqueva. Story two is quite similar, but it

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Speaker 2: differs in that it says Georgie was out all night

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Speaker 2: partying elsewhere, possibly in the city or at a friend's house.

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Speaker 2: According to the alternative information, the yacht wasn't actually Georgie's either,

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Speaker 2: it was someone else's. The way he died, though, is

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Speaker 2: much the same. He wandered off from the main crowd

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Speaker 2: This version, however, says that the worried friends who went

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Speaker 2: This one is quite different. In this third version of events,

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Speaker 2: Georgie was not on a yacht specifically, It was apparently

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Speaker 2: on a quote ship whilst on holiday. Now I took

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Speaker 2: this to mean a cruise ship, and if you fall

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Speaker 2: off of a cruise ship, you're looking at a considerably

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Speaker 2: higher drop than if you fell from a yacht. The

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Speaker 2: story doesn't actually say anything about which ship, where it

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Speaker 2: it was an averaged sized cruise ship. It would have

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Speaker 2: been around one thousand feet long, with about fifteen decks

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Speaker 2: had no hope whatsoever when he fell. According to this

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Speaker 2: edge dock. He was apparently messing around on a diving platform.

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Speaker 2: Now this struck me, so I had to look around,

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Speaker 2: and it turns out you cannot actually dock a proper

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Speaker 2: for that, now back to the shore. Still though, I

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Speaker 2: circulation of around one million. It's been going it since

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Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen and is known for its political and societal

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Speaker 2: commentary surprise. It's pro Kremlin pro putin and is owned

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Speaker 2: by a man named Pavel Gusev. Gusev has strong ties

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Speaker 2: Council for Civil Society and Human Rights of the Russian Federation.

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Speaker 2: People appointed to this position on this board are picked

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Speaker 2: specifically by Putin himself. Anyway, Pavel Gusev's MKRU says that

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Speaker 2: quote one of the vacationers, Georgie, neglected safety rules and apparently,

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Speaker 2: happen to Chibisov, as no staff for nearby and the

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Speaker 2: captain was driving the yacht. Convenient Emergency services were alerted

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Speaker 2: on July twenty seventh to a criminal case of operation

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Speaker 2: currently investigating the situation as a potential death by negligence

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Speaker 2: through operation of a water transport, which carries a maximum

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Speaker 2: penalty of five years imprisonment. Ends quote. Now the ship

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Speaker 2: you jump on board the yacht, sales on a circuit,

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Speaker 2: worst thing on earth. The only detail in this third story,

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Speaker 2: which is becoming an increasingly confusion amalgamation of sources I

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Speaker 2: Mkru quote. The top manager Georgie disappeared on the evening

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Speaker 2: of July twenty seventh after falling from a pleasure boat

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Speaker 2: while sailing along the Moscow River. According to relatives, he

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Speaker 2: Ends quote. By the way, a pleasure boat is not

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Speaker 2: as serious it sounds. It's just a name for the

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Speaker 2: party I explained a minute ago. We'll come back to

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Speaker 2: this quote about messaging his wife though in a bit so.

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Speaker 2: Why the varying series of different stories when it comes

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Speaker 2: to this case, well, it seems to be due to

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Speaker 2: Russian reporters copying and pasting together different bits of information

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Speaker 2: about the Georgie death from here, there and everywhere at

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Speaker 2: least that's what Sergei said he felt was happening when

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Speaker 2: he was reading it again. Though, this comes back to

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Speaker 2: the hurdles we keep facing with each case. There seems

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Speaker 2: report vaguely and contradictory when it comes to this series

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Speaker 2: There were crime scene photos, people we could contact, eyewitnesses,

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Speaker 2: concerted effort to make sure there is little information going

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Speaker 2: wrong situation. I think that is by design. So in

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Speaker 2: that case, which story about Georgi Chibasov is the real one? Well,

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Speaker 2: this is something we've tried to get to the bottom

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Speaker 2: of and as far as I can tell, kind of

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Speaker 2: all of them and also none of them. Let me explain.

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Speaker 2: So I think we need to jigsaw some of the

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Speaker 2: information together here to figure out the most realistic situation

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Speaker 2: before we move on to what happened. Remember this is

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Speaker 2: just my point of view, having spent years research and

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Speaker 2: We have to take a little bit from story one,

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Speaker 2: a pinch of story two, and a dash of story three.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I think we get. Georgi Chibasov had only

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Speaker 2: spent the past two years in London working away. No

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Speaker 2: doubt being home was a cause for extended celebration. On

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Speaker 2: the night of his death, he went to his friend's

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Speaker 2: These expensive parties on yachts that go up and down

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Speaker 2: I guess yeah, that like like hustle bro business bro

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's not just coming in as a marketer.

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Speaker 2: but I think this, coupled with whatever Georgia Chibisov was

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Speaker 2: as a traitor for leaving the country to work for

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Speaker 2: the enemy When Putin ultra nationalism is at an all

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Speaker 2: time high. Here's what Putin said on the sixteenth of

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Speaker 2: March twenty twenty two, when addressing Russians who'd left the

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Speaker 2: country or have voiced opposition against the war in Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: He said, quote, the Russian people will always be able

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Speaker 2: to distinguish true patriots from scum and traitors, and will

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Speaker 2: simply spit them out like a gnat that accidentally landed

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Speaker 2: in their mouths, spit them out on the pavement. End quote.

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Speaker 2: Remember there are no witnesses as to how Georgie died.

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Speaker 2: The captain of the boat didn't see, the passengers didn't see,

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Speaker 2: the staff didn't see. And yet still a newspaper close

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Speaker 2: to the Kremlin explained what happened with no evidence whatsoever,

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Speaker 2: no source, nothing. You've been listening to sad oligay At

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