Speaker 1: Kubbooms.
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Speaker 2: a week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants
Speaker 2: of the Old Republic, a soul fashion of fairness. He
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Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: The Clearinghouse of Hot takes break free for something special.
Speaker 2: The Fifth Hour with Ben Mahler starts right now.
Speaker 1: In the air everywhere. Welcome in the Fifth Hour with
Speaker 1: Ben Mahler and Danny g Radio. Danny still on assignment
Speaker 1: fatherly duty for Danny. He should be back next weekend.
Speaker 1: Congratulations again to Danny and his wife on the birth
Speaker 1: of their son last weekend. We'll have all the details
Speaker 1: when Danny returns. But we go back to the well
Speaker 1: one more time. The Fox Sports Radio Alumni Association a
Speaker 1: chance to catch up with one of my friends in
Speaker 1: the radio business who's no longer in the radio business.
Speaker 1: But if you've been a fan of talk radio sports
Speaker 1: talk radio over the years, you know who this guy is.
Speaker 1: He not only did a long stint at Fox Sports Radio,
Speaker 1: he also worked at Sporting News Radio, which no longer exists,
Speaker 1: and the fledgling NBC Sports Radio network, which also no
Speaker 1: longer exists. There must be a pattern there, but it
Speaker 1: is very exciting for me to welcome back to the microphones,
Speaker 1: the man, the myth, the legend. He also was the
Speaker 1: voice of the Make and Whoopee hockey team. We'll have
Speaker 1: to get into that as well. The great Turk Stevens
Speaker 1: joins us now on the fifth hour. Turk, welcome in.
Speaker 1: And why don't we start with your timeline? How many years?
Speaker 1: I forget? How many years were you at Fox Sports Radio?
Speaker 3: Ye? Yes, I went to a competing network. Well, actually
Speaker 3: I was asked to go by a couple of people,
Speaker 3: and then I landed at a different network. And then
Speaker 3: they moved out of state, they left California, and so
Speaker 3: by the good graces of one Dan Byer, I was
Speaker 3: able to return to Fox Sports Radio for a couple
Speaker 3: of years.
Speaker 1: Now, was that the sporting news radio that you went too?
Speaker 3: It was? It was sporting news radio and I did that.
Speaker 3: Then they moved to Houston. After like three years, three
Speaker 3: or four years they moved to Houston. I was actually
Speaker 3: the last voice heard out of the Los Angeles studios
Speaker 3: for Sporting news radio.
Speaker 1: Did they want you to go to Houston or did
Speaker 1: they tell you that we're good, we don't need no.
Speaker 4: No, they actually did.
Speaker 3: They wanted me to go, but I was teaching full time.
Speaker 3: I was teaching pe at a private school down in
Speaker 3: Santa Monica, and so I didn't want to go, and
Speaker 3: so they understood that, but they did want me to go.
Speaker 4: I didn't go.
Speaker 3: And then and then I ended up going to back
Speaker 3: to Fox for a couple of years. And then NBC
Speaker 3: Sports Radio moved in the now departed NBC Sports Radio
Speaker 3: they're no longer in business, and they came in and
Speaker 3: offered me a full time gig. So I left Fox
Speaker 3: to go to NBC Sports Radio.
Speaker 1: Look at that the career path of the Turk. And
Speaker 1: I remember you did the show with me on the
Speaker 1: weekends back when you first started. We were together. We
Speaker 1: did quite a bit of nonsense and you were one
Speaker 1: of the You were one of the original guys that
Speaker 1: Benny Versus the Penny. Although I think back then we
Speaker 1: had a different name for it. In the early days.
Speaker 1: We didn't call it Benny Versus the Penny. You called
Speaker 1: it something else, Ben versus the Coin or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yes, I remember, I actually remember you.
Speaker 4: Coming to me one night.
Speaker 3: It was one of the overnights, and you saying, I
Speaker 3: have this idea. And it was me and you, you know,
Speaker 3: doing the show overnight, and you told me the idea.
Speaker 3: I still remember that night and we talked about it
Speaker 3: and we and then we put it together and I
Speaker 3: had a quarter and we we did the flips live.
Speaker 3: I actually did them live back then, and it was
Speaker 3: Ben versus the Coin. Yeah, not a great name and
Speaker 3: a good bit.
Speaker 1: Not a great name, but it was either that or
Speaker 1: bringing a monkey or something like that.
Speaker 4: Yes, but those were our options.
Speaker 3: And yes, I'll blame you for the name because it
Speaker 3: was your, your show.
Speaker 1: But eventually we got a good name though. Benny versus
Speaker 1: the Penny was the name that it morphed into. And
Speaker 1: my one of my favorite Turk memories is when you
Speaker 1: were on vacation, you were out, you were out one
Speaker 1: weekend and you were in Palm Springs or something, and
Speaker 1: you still called in to do the do the bit
Speaker 1: with the coin. Yes, it was hilarious because you were
Speaker 1: like in a hot tub or something else.
Speaker 4: It was nuts. It was live, it was and it
Speaker 4: really was live. That was no joke.
Speaker 3: I was I was live from a hot tub and
Speaker 3: put the phone next to me and had a coin
Speaker 3: I brought it. I brought a quarter just for it
Speaker 3: and did flip it on the side of the hot tub.
Speaker 3: And yes, we did it live from that was the
Speaker 3: right around Christmas. We did it live from the hot tub.
Speaker 1: So you're ruining the illusion though it's penny versus the penny,
Speaker 1: although at that time it was the coin, so you
Speaker 1: could get away with the quarter.
Speaker 3: It was, yeah, because it wasn't It was a coin
Speaker 3: back then, and we said it was a quarter. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you you altered it to a penny. So it's a
Speaker 3: little different now.
Speaker 1: Well, it's all for marketing reasons. It was all for
Speaker 1: marketing reasons and somebody you.
Speaker 4: Just can't afford a quarter anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, working in the radio business, I can barely
Speaker 1: afford a penny at this point. But that's a whole different,
Speaker 1: different conversation. So you you would come, I remember you
Speaker 1: came to Fox. You were from Vermont?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Is that where you would you were from there? You
Speaker 1: had grown up there? Is that where you were working
Speaker 1: before you came to Fox Sports Radio?
Speaker 3: No, I actually was working in Macon, Georgia. I was
Speaker 3: the last radio voice for the East Coast Hockey League
Speaker 3: minor league team called the Macon Whoopee.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I remember that. We used to do jokes
Speaker 1: about that to make it's correct.
Speaker 3: I still have clothing from that, because that's how they
Speaker 3: paid us when they folded. They went out of business
Speaker 3: and they, of course in sports, is called folding, and
Speaker 3: I was out of work and they paid us basically
Speaker 3: our last paychecks were here are some leftover clothes?
Speaker 4: Take them?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is that stuff worth anything? That's kind of a no.
Speaker 4: I'm sure it isn't. I'm sure it is. Yes.
Speaker 3: My son is here pointing out I still have a
Speaker 3: making whoopee notepad.
Speaker 1: Well, Trevor's your marketing guy. He's your marketing guy for sure.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so I actually this was in This was
Speaker 3: summer of two thousand and two. I'm out of work
Speaker 3: in Macon, Georgia, and I just saw an ad looking
Speaker 3: for an update anchor for five Sports radio, which would
Speaker 3: have been what just two years old? You guys would
Speaker 3: have been about two years.
Speaker 1: Old then, right, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Because you're an original and they and I Smoky Gifford
Speaker 3: is the one who hired me.
Speaker 1: Very Smoky Gifford.
Speaker 3: That's right of my Actually, I sent it in waited
Speaker 3: a month, heard nothing, cold called him and he said,
Speaker 3: oh yeh yeah, you know, gave me the usual, you know,
Speaker 3: yeah whatever, And then the next day he called me.
Speaker 3: I swear he had never listened to my seat. It
Speaker 3: was CDs back then, he would you know, mail them,
Speaker 3: and I'm swear he never listened to it.
Speaker 4: But then he must have pulled it out of the pile.
Speaker 4: He told me there were one.
Speaker 3: Hundred and fifty CDs he got for this overnight opening,
Speaker 3: and I ended up getting the gig. So I moved
Speaker 3: from Georgia to LA Before that, I was in Vermont.
Speaker 3: I had grown up in New York in Vermont, and
Speaker 3: I had I was in Roswell and Albuquerque, New Mexico
Speaker 3: in the mid nineties doing radio, making chances, you know,
Speaker 3: very short money. I got called back to Vermont for
Speaker 3: a job doing play by play, which is what I
Speaker 3: love to do, doing college hockey and basketball. And I
Speaker 3: did that for four years, and then went down to
Speaker 3: Georgia to do the minor league hockey, which I love.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it thoroughly and then was disappointed when the
Speaker 3: team went under, but then got lucky and got to
Speaker 3: meet you, and you were one of my trainers in
Speaker 3: LA when I first got there at Fox.
Speaker 1: It's a small world, and we might have ended up
Speaker 1: working together earlier because I've told you the story before.
Speaker 1: But when I was in San Diego at the mighty
Speaker 1: six ninety, one of the first offers I got was
Speaker 1: to do an afternoon drive show in Albuquerque at I
Speaker 1: think a station you worked at. I think that was
Speaker 1: one of the stations you worked at. It was this
Speaker 1: Guy's Sports Animal. Yeah, the Sports Animal is the name
Speaker 1: of the station. They approached me about doing a show
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, but I saw how much money they paid,
Speaker 1: and I decided, you know what, if I'm going to
Speaker 1: leave Southern California, I got to get something that actually
Speaker 1: pays some decent money. Otherwise it's just not gonna not
Speaker 1: going to work out. The financial is not going to
Speaker 1: work out. But I know you had, you know, you
Speaker 1: had to take less money, and you're supposed to, you know,
Speaker 1: it's cheaper to live in Albuquerque and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I don't know. And I have
Speaker 1: a friend of mine it's still does radio in Albuquerque,
Speaker 1: and he likes it. He enjoys it.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 1: I've never been to Albuquerque, so I don't know you
Speaker 1: missed out. I know it's one of the great vacation destinations.
Speaker 1: If they actually have billboards around LA they have photos
Speaker 1: of balloons, you know, those big giant him the hot
Speaker 1: Air balloons, and they're like, this is what we consider traffic,
Speaker 1: you know, try to get people done.
Speaker 3: Yes, they do a fall festival every October, the hot
Speaker 3: Air balloons. It is actually pretty cool. If you get
Speaker 3: Jess's Go Go, it's pretty fun to watch. It's early
Speaker 3: in the morning. Now you'd have to do it after
Speaker 3: your shift, and you know.
Speaker 1: I'd have to stay up. Yeah I can't. Yeah, getting
Speaker 1: up early in the morning not my thing. So we
Speaker 1: were traveling with the making whoopee turk. What was the
Speaker 1: what were the common nations like when you're traveling with
Speaker 1: a minor league hockey team, was it first class? Were
Speaker 1: you staying at the Rich Carlton when you were on
Speaker 1: the road traveling by chartered planes?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 4: That's what double a hockey is. Yes, No, it was.
Speaker 3: Some of the hotels were not bad. It all depended
Speaker 3: on when you booked them, and that was not my department. Unfortunately.
Speaker 3: I remember one of our trips was to New Orleans.
Speaker 3: It was the only time I've been in New Orleans.
Speaker 3: That was one of the benefits. I got to see
Speaker 3: the South, which I hadn't really seen much of. I
Speaker 3: don't count Florida as the South, so I hadn't really
Speaker 3: been through the South, and so it was fun to go.
Speaker 4: There was a team in New Orleans.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, our crack administrative staff waited before booking the New
Speaker 3: Orleans trip and we ended up in Metai, like twenty
Speaker 3: miles out in this ramshackle, old brick motel. I think
Speaker 3: it might have been a super at one time. It
Speaker 3: might have been in a conoldge actually, and it was.
Speaker 3: It was brutal. It was right across from where the
Speaker 3: Saints used to train. I don't know if they still
Speaker 3: train in Metaie, but it was across from that.
Speaker 4: It was not good, not.
Speaker 3: Good at The cockroaches were large, let me tell you that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything's larger in the South though, all these animals.
Speaker 4: But New Orleans was awesome.
Speaker 3: I mean to get there and I got and to
Speaker 3: get on the you know, to get out on Bourbon
Speaker 3: Street and I interviewed, you know. We had a game
Speaker 3: Friday night in minor league hockey. They usually do games
Speaker 3: on the weekends. They'll go back to back games, and
Speaker 3: so we had a game Friday night and I interviewed.
Speaker 3: I always tried to interview the local beat writer for
Speaker 3: the team during the first intermission of the first night
Speaker 3: and then afterwards he talks to me, were you know
Speaker 3: during the commercial break and he says, you know, are
Speaker 3: you going to go down to Bourbon Street? I said yeah,
Speaker 3: and he said, here's my card. Don't stray like ten
Speaker 3: feet off of Bourbon Street. If you get in trouble,
Speaker 3: call me. I'm thinking, oh boy, what am I getting
Speaker 3: myself into? But but no, it was it was fine.
Speaker 3: I mean it was I had to take a cab
Speaker 3: all the way back to Metaie. That wasn't too pleasant,
Speaker 3: but but it was. It was a lot of fun
Speaker 3: and that was one of the nice things about it.
Speaker 3: The travel was tough. We had a bus. It was
Speaker 3: a sleeper bus that was on an eighteen wheeler rig
Speaker 3: and it was like a flatbed rig and then it
Speaker 3: was like a submarine with just bunks, three bunks on
Speaker 3: each side, with a small road to walk down and
Speaker 3: it slept about twenty two or twenty three people and
Speaker 3: that's what we use. And the guy drove like a
Speaker 3: like a maniac.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 3: You'd be kind of kind of moving back and forth
Speaker 3: down down the high We must have been doing eighty
Speaker 3: five in the middle of the night, you know, down
Speaker 3: the down the freeways and it and you'd be rocking
Speaker 3: back and forth on this in this thing as you
Speaker 3: tried to sleep.
Speaker 4: It was interesting, for sure.
Speaker 1: It sounds like the movie portrayals of minor league sport
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's real life. And that's why I decided
Speaker 3: to do it. I mean, I had done four years
Speaker 3: in Vermonto in the University of Vermont sports. I was
Speaker 3: the voice of the Catamounts. They didn't have a football team.
Speaker 3: It's hockey and basketball with the big sports. And after
Speaker 3: four years of that, I was getting toward my mid
Speaker 3: thirties and I'm mean, well, you know, if I'm going
Speaker 3: to do minor league sports, I got to try it
Speaker 3: now because the travel is hell.
Speaker 4: And so I did it. And it took a while.
Speaker 3: I was taking the drama mean the first few road trips,
Speaker 3: but then after that you got used to it and
Speaker 3: it was and then you could sleep. It's kind of
Speaker 3: amazing because after a while, you got used to it
Speaker 3: and you could sleep overnight.
Speaker 1: So I've told you this in the past, but you
Speaker 1: listening have no idea. But early on, I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a play by plague. I didn't want to be
Speaker 1: a talk show host. My goal was not to do
Speaker 1: talk radio. I like talk radio, but I was like, ah,
Speaker 1: I want to be play by play. I want to
Speaker 1: be like Vin Scully. And then I started doing some
Speaker 1: research about how difficult it is. And this is a
Speaker 1: long time ago, but the career arc of a minor
Speaker 1: league play by plague I A get terrible money, and
Speaker 1: then b the lifestyles aread. You're traveling, as you said
Speaker 1: you just described, you're you're not traveling well in weird
Speaker 1: weird buses and whatnot. But then the other problem is
Speaker 1: to move up the ranks the ladder to a higher
Speaker 1: level is almost impossible. At that time. It was because
Speaker 1: the guys in the in the big league jobs would
Speaker 1: keep those jobs until they were eighty five ninety years
Speaker 1: old in some cases, and so it was impossible. And
Speaker 1: I remember I had an epiphany when I was starting
Speaker 1: doing radio. I did talk radio. We were in Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: and I went to an Indianapolis Indians game, the Triple
Speaker 1: A team in Indianapolis, and the play by play guy
Speaker 1: there had been there for twenty five years or something
Speaker 1: doing Triple A baseball in Indianapolis, and I think the guys,
Speaker 1: I think he's still there, by the way, I think
Speaker 1: he's fifty.
Speaker 4: What's the name of the guy, Russ Langer.
Speaker 3: Yes, he was, he was. Where was he in vade
Speaker 3: or Vegas? Albuquerque? He was in Albuquerque when I was there,
Speaker 3: and you were almost there. Yeah, in the mid nineties
Speaker 3: he was doing the Albuquerque Dukes, was the Dodgers Triple A.
Speaker 3: Then they moved to Vegas. And in fact, when I
Speaker 3: lived in Vegas, Uh what six five six years ago?
Speaker 3: I lived in Vegas before I moved here to Phoenix. Uh,
Speaker 3: he was there and he's done. He's been doing probably
Speaker 3: thirty years. He's been doing Triple A baseball and he
Speaker 3: just can never get that break. And super nice guy
Speaker 3: and could never get that break to get into the
Speaker 3: big leagues. And you're right, they would hold on him forever. Uh.
Speaker 3: You made the right choice, by the way, going to
Speaker 3: going to a talk show post, I think was the
Speaker 3: right move for you. I don't see you as a
Speaker 3: play by play guy.
Speaker 1: No, but you know me now, but you know you
Speaker 1: know me. But early on I think I could do
Speaker 1: I could have done the play by place though you
Speaker 1: never got because you did.
Speaker 4: You did Dodger pre and posts.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I did do that for for a couple of years yet.
Speaker 3: Right, but you never got the break someone you know,
Speaker 3: Vin didn't have a vaga or something. You couldn't go
Speaker 3: on for him. Well.
Speaker 1: The funny thing is in those days it was that
Speaker 1: was hallowed you know, Vin and Ross Porter and Rick Monday,
Speaker 1: and they would not let any slums like me or
Speaker 1: you do that. But in more recent years, like David
Speaker 1: Vessy who does the Dodger stuff. Now he's been given
Speaker 1: opportunities to do some stuff and some other people, But
Speaker 1: in those days it was like, no, this is hallowed ground.
Speaker 1: You have to be of a certain ilk to have
Speaker 1: that microphone.
Speaker 4: And have the experience.
Speaker 3: You have to be of Yes, you had to have
Speaker 3: paid your dues exactly exactly, and that's what.
Speaker 4: You talked about about going up the ladder.
Speaker 3: It was and I, you know, I could have gotten
Speaker 3: another minor league hockey job. I hated doing the media
Speaker 3: portion of you had to do media relations, you know,
Speaker 3: the pr part, and I really hated it, and I
Speaker 3: just wanted to do play by play. It's all That's
Speaker 3: what I wanted to do. From being five or six
Speaker 3: years old. All I ever wanted was play by play.
Speaker 3: And I went to college, got a degree in broadcast journalism,
Speaker 3: started in my hometown of ten thousand people, Saint Albans, Vermont.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Saint Albans and and I started. And
Speaker 3: but then this job came. You know, you when you're
Speaker 3: unemployed in your mid thirties, sitting, you know, in a
Speaker 3: in a small apartment in Macon, Georgia, you know you
Speaker 3: got to take what you can get.
Speaker 4: And I said, okay, I'll apply to Fox, never thinking.
Speaker 3: I would ever get it, because you know, it's Los Angeles,
Speaker 3: it's National network radio. I had done sports updates for
Speaker 3: Burlington Vermont. You know I would never get none. I
Speaker 3: got it, So I made the choice. And actually I
Speaker 3: haven't done play by play since the make and Whoopie
Speaker 3: was the last one. It's over twenty years now. It's
Speaker 3: hard to believe it's been over twenty years now.
Speaker 1: Did any of those players make it, any of the
Speaker 1: coaches make it to the higher level the NHL from.
Speaker 3: The Whoopee, I not from our team. Gord Dineen was
Speaker 3: the co of the Make and Whoopee. I think I
Speaker 3: got the job partly because he phoned me for an
Speaker 3: interview and he said, hi, am Gordon Deneen, and I said,
Speaker 3: I hated you as a player. I'm a Rangers fan.
Speaker 3: And he laughed because he was an Islander and he
Speaker 3: played for the Islanders for years, and so he laughed,
Speaker 3: and I think that's probably one reason I got the job.
Speaker 3: But so he was a pro player, you know, a
Speaker 3: big league player that came down, but none of the
Speaker 3: players made it to the NHL from our team. Jack Capuano,
Speaker 3: who I actually went to college with at the University
Speaker 3: of Maine, was in my dorm, was coaching the pd
Speaker 3: Pride in South Carolina my year of doing ECHL, and
Speaker 3: so he ended up making it to the New York
Speaker 3: Islanders in fact, as a head coach for years. Most people,
Speaker 3: most players in the East Coast Hockey League, they're lifers.
Speaker 3: They're not getting out of the miners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are locked in. They're in a lifetime employment
Speaker 1: kind of like me at Fox Sports Radio, lifetime employment plan.
Speaker 1: But you're you're yeah, I'm.
Speaker 4: Trying to figure out how you got that.
Speaker 3: Ben.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. Don't don't jinxit turk, don't
Speaker 1: jinx it. It might it might end at any moment.
Speaker 1: So you did the show, you didn't stuff with me,
Speaker 1: You went to your at Sporting News, you did NBC.
Speaker 1: What do do you have a couple of favorite memories
Speaker 1: of those days doing the radio stuff, doing the updates
Speaker 1: and whatnot that stand out? I I love we talked
Speaker 1: about the hot tub. That was great.
Speaker 3: That was one of the highlights.
Speaker 1: What are some of the other things that stand out
Speaker 1: from those days?
Speaker 3: You know, my first time on on Sporting News radio,
Speaker 3: I was supposed to I was supposed to go and
Speaker 3: train for a little bit there, just you know, because
Speaker 3: every network has different music, different ways that they throw
Speaker 3: it to you. That's called the end, different ways. I
Speaker 3: would get out and know the music. Everyone has different music.
Speaker 3: And I was supposed to train on that. But then
Speaker 3: I remember, actually I was at Santa Anito one day.
Speaker 3: It was in February of seven. I was at Santa
Speaker 3: Anita and they they called me and said, hey, we
Speaker 3: need someone to fill in with Jeff Biggs. Of all
Speaker 3: people someone who a lot of LA Sports radio fans
Speaker 3: would know because he's worked for every single station. He
Speaker 3: needed someone to work with him. Somebody dropped out. It
Speaker 3: was on the Grammys night and we were doing some
Speaker 3: kind of and it was some Sunday night show. So
Speaker 3: that was my first time on Sporting News Radio and
Speaker 3: I got to co host with the great Jeff Biggs
Speaker 3: doing a show. I hosted college a college football show
Speaker 3: for a couple of years on Saturday mornings for an
Speaker 3: hour right before kickoff of all the of all the
Speaker 3: games on Sporting News. I like doing that.
Speaker 1: A boy.
Speaker 3: What was my Oh, I know, my first my first
Speaker 3: time on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4: You were training me.
Speaker 1: Which is which is right there? A nightmare that I'm
Speaker 1: training you should training anyone that I should have.
Speaker 3: It was intimidating, and I've told you this story. It
Speaker 3: was intimidating because I get there and the studio. I'm
Speaker 3: from a small town in Vermont and and the and
Speaker 3: then I had done stuff uh in Albuquerque, but those
Speaker 3: are small, you know, small.
Speaker 4: Little studios with old equipment.
Speaker 3: And I walk into the studios in Fox Sports Radio
Speaker 3: and it's to me, it looked like the Starship Enterprise
Speaker 3: I mean it was huge rooms. There were lights blinking
Speaker 3: from everywhere, all kinds of tape decks and and mini
Speaker 3: cassette things and god knows what, and computers everywhere, and
Speaker 3: this huge board, which, by the way, you don't need
Speaker 3: to use like ninety percent of it. It just looks huge.
Speaker 3: It is huge, but you don't use any of the
Speaker 3: dials except maybe two. And it was. And then you
Speaker 3: get on the air and you do these brilliant updates
Speaker 3: with almost no notes, and I'm thinking, oh boy, what
Speaker 3: am I doing here? But you trained me? And who
Speaker 3: else was someone else? That Tie works in Fort Myers
Speaker 3: now and he crag Craig Sheman, and Craig Sheman also
Speaker 3: super nice guy, very nice, and he I think Craig
Speaker 3: just didn't want he didn't like doing updates, and you know,
Speaker 3: he was more of a host like you, and both
Speaker 3: of you graduated finally as you should have to become
Speaker 3: hosts and not do updates. And Craig just didn't want
Speaker 3: to do the updates. So I was supposed to train
Speaker 3: for like a week, and I trained for two days
Speaker 3: and it was like the nine o'clock update for JT
Speaker 3: The Brick Show. And he says, Okay, you're gonna do
Speaker 3: the nine o'clock you're ready. I'm like, oh no, I
Speaker 3: don't think, Yeah you are. And so so that's how
Speaker 3: I started on network, right I did Okay, I had
Speaker 3: like two days of prep instead of a week, and
Speaker 3: bam and I was on the air. And then I
Speaker 3: did it ever since, and it was it was a
Speaker 3: lot of fun.
Speaker 1: It really was the sink or swim technique.
Speaker 3: It definitely was. It was the I don't want to
Speaker 3: do the updates, so I'm gonna let this guy do it,
Speaker 3: and if he dies, he dies.
Speaker 1: It's funny you brought up when you walked into the studio,
Speaker 1: because that's the most famous story from the early days
Speaker 1: of Fox Sports Radio. There was a guy who shall
Speaker 1: remain nameless. It was not you, but somebody that the
Speaker 1: company had hired who had worked at some big stations.
Speaker 1: He had a nice resume, and they brought him in.
Speaker 1: And I think you actually might know this person because
Speaker 1: I think the person was there while you were there,
Speaker 1: although it might have been before you.
Speaker 4: No, it was before me, because you guys told me
Speaker 4: all the story.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so we told you anyway, So the
Speaker 1: guy came in and this guy walked around like he
Speaker 1: was God's gift the radio. I mean, but he had
Speaker 1: he walked into that studio you're referring to the update studio,
Speaker 1: the news studio, and then they told him what he
Speaker 1: had to do, and he said, what is this the
Speaker 1: space shuttle? I'm supposed to run the space shuttle here?
Speaker 1: And uh, it is one of the greatest stories because
Speaker 1: Annie who you know, who is you know, one of
Speaker 1: our bosses and a very interesting woman, nice woman, but
Speaker 1: she she sold but they would hire people and she
Speaker 1: she would be, oh, this guy's amazing, look at the
Speaker 1: resume and all this stuff, and so we always kind
Speaker 1: of took it with a grain of salt. But this
Speaker 1: guy in particular, not only her, but several other people
Speaker 1: at the company were selling this guy's resume and he
Speaker 1: just was totally in over his head. And it wasn't.
Speaker 3: He the one who he wasn't ready to do the
Speaker 3: update And the music came on. And when the music
Speaker 3: comes on, folks, you're on. I mean, after the voice
Speaker 3: guy says Fox Sports Update, you have to if you're
Speaker 3: the update anchor, you have to go. And didn't he
Speaker 3: like put his hand up playing he wasn't ready. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, he told the board op to play more commercials.
Speaker 1: That was what he told me. And I was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're on a network. We can't not a local station.
Speaker 1: We can't local station. You just keep playing extra spots.
Speaker 1: But on the network you got to go and it's like.
Speaker 4: And tight on a clock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was such a debacle. Touch a total tobacco.
Speaker 3: It is a very beautiful studio for folks. If you
Speaker 3: ever get there, go and visit Ben and.
Speaker 1: You'll be happy to know Trek next time you're in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. We a few months ago moved from the
Speaker 1: studio we had been in for over twenty years.
Speaker 3: Twenty two years.
Speaker 1: We just moved across the hall. And you talk about
Speaker 1: high rent real estate and radio, we moved across the hall.
Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh had his own LA studio When he would
Speaker 1: come to LA for like two weeks a year. Rush
Speaker 1: did a show from Florida, but he would do the
Speaker 1: show from Los Angeles in the studio, so they kept
Speaker 1: it only for Rush. It was the old rock Line studio.
Speaker 1: And then the next studio over was Steve Harvey. He
Speaker 1: had moved back to LA and he was doing his
Speaker 1: show for a while, and then the pandemic when twenty
Speaker 1: twenty came around that all stuff. He just did the
Speaker 1: show from home, or I think he moved back to Atlanta.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so they had these two massive, beautiful studios
Speaker 1: that were first class. Everything was brand new for Limbaugh
Speaker 1: who passed away, and Steve Harvey, and so they they
Speaker 1: moved us across the hall and the h So we're
Speaker 1: we're just across the hall from where.
Speaker 4: How was that?
Speaker 1: It's it's it's cool. I like it a lot, mostly
Speaker 1: because the air conditioning works better than the old studio.
Speaker 1: And I like I like to make it like an
Speaker 1: ice box. Yes, I like I like it to be
Speaker 1: like a freezer. When I'm in there and it's it's
Speaker 1: really perfect, and everything's new. People haven't spilled coffee over everything.
Speaker 1: And food you know you'll take care of that. Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't you know you know what mean these days? Turk,
Speaker 1: I intermitted fasting. Man, I don't. I don't eat these guys.
Speaker 1: Some of these guys go in there and they eat
Speaker 1: like five meals during the show. It fascinates.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 1: What are you doing either, No, of course not. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's disgusting.
Speaker 4: It's Alky Loco from right next.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Crazy Chicken or whatever's there's a buffalo wild
Speaker 1: Wings across the street at the mall doing that. But
Speaker 1: so I want to know we are kind of close
Speaker 1: to the same age. I was talking to t J. Simmers.
Speaker 1: We had TJ Simer's on the show yesterday, very good,
Speaker 1: the great to columnsts from the other time, and we
Speaker 1: were talking about the way sports media operates and like
Speaker 1: me and you, Turk, I think are on the same
Speaker 1: page because we're around the same age, Like we grew
Speaker 1: up and you grew up on the East Coast. I
Speaker 1: grew up on the West Coast. But I always loved
Speaker 1: the critical eye in the media, the columnists that would
Speaker 1: attack the radio guy when warranted performance that was not
Speaker 1: up to standard. And I told TJS, like, listen, you're
Speaker 1: one of the last guys that did that in LA.
Speaker 1: He's one of the only guys that ever did it.
Speaker 1: Because LA is a pretty soft talent when it comes
Speaker 1: to the media. They worshiped the athletes and TJ didn't
Speaker 1: do that. And we were discussing, like will it ever
Speaker 1: get back to the way it was? And he didn't
Speaker 1: think it'll ever get back to the way it was.
Speaker 1: I am skeptical as well, Turk, but the way sports
Speaker 1: media operates now were if you are critical. I've noticed
Speaker 1: people get upset a lot of be like, well, we're
Speaker 1: using so critical, you shouldn't be so critical. What's your
Speaker 1: take on that?
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree with you guys. Nobody's critical anymore,
Speaker 3: and I hate it. I'll tell you when when I
Speaker 3: was a teenager and into my college days and in
Speaker 3: my twenties, I remember we'd watch hockey games and then
Speaker 3: a goal would be scored, and what we did was
Speaker 3: we wanted to see who the defenseman who was a
Speaker 3: defenseman now skating into the picture after the goal scored
Speaker 3: because it was his fault, so he was the one
Speaker 3: with his head down. You know, we were critical. It's
Speaker 3: like we're looking for who gave up the goal why?
Speaker 3: And they don't do that anymore, and they I think
Speaker 3: it's access. I think it used to be that way
Speaker 3: back when it started twenties, thirties, forties, I mean, starting
Speaker 3: with Babe Ruth and those guys, and going up through
Speaker 3: when new sports came up, where the nobody said anything,
Speaker 3: nobody dug for information, you know, like what Mickey Mantle,
Speaker 3: Whitey for Billy Martin would show up drunk at games
Speaker 3: and no one's you know, the reporters never say anything.
Speaker 3: They were drunk from the night before and right, and
Speaker 3: no one would no one would write about it. And
Speaker 3: it was the same thing with presidents and no one
Speaker 3: would say anything. And then Watergate happened, and I think
Speaker 3: that changed it. From the seventies of the eighties and
Speaker 3: nineties when we grew up where it became it was
Speaker 3: now it was on and.
Speaker 4: Now you're now.
Speaker 3: Reporters were supposed to dig and supposed to get info
Speaker 3: and be critical and not trust, you know, what the
Speaker 3: teams were telling you, and not trust what the government
Speaker 3: was telling you. And then for some reason in the
Speaker 3: last twenty years, it's all swung back. And I don't
Speaker 3: know what started it, but it's I think teams started
Speaker 3: to started to like withhold access and hold that over
Speaker 3: the reporters' heads. Do you think that's the case where
Speaker 3: they say, look, you start being too critical of us,
Speaker 3: you're not we won't let you in here.
Speaker 1: I have a theory on this, and my theory is,
Speaker 1: and I had somebody when Major League Baseball started their
Speaker 1: MLB dot com and they started hiring beat writers to
Speaker 1: cover the teams, and that was that was to me,
Speaker 1: that was the origin of it. I had somebody that
Speaker 1: worked at baseball tell me that this is the future.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna because they were upset with the negative media,
Speaker 1: so we'll just hire the writers and then we'll kind
Speaker 1: of be able to be in control of what's said
Speaker 1: about the team. And he said, you know, given given
Speaker 1: enough time, you know, this will become the way people
Speaker 1: expect to get their news about their favorite team. And
Speaker 1: it's been about a generation since MLB started that, and
Speaker 1: we're now at that point where people, a lot of
Speaker 1: younger people younger than us, just expect everything to be
Speaker 1: sugarcoated about their favorite team. And I blame the team
Speaker 1: website stuff, but you are right. A lot of it
Speaker 1: also is hey, if you say something we don't like,
Speaker 1: we're not going to give access. And we talked to
Speaker 1: TJ yesterday and TJ pointed something out also. It says
Speaker 1: like the beat writers in his day, when he was
Speaker 1: a beat writer, if the team did not make somebody available,
Speaker 1: he would just still try to track the guy down.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, no, my job is to talk to
Speaker 1: that person today, not tomorrow and so. But now a
Speaker 1: lot of the media guys are just like, whatever the
Speaker 1: PR people tell.
Speaker 4: Him, that's it.
Speaker 1: They just take it.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what they do. I complain about it on
Speaker 3: Twitter all the time. They know my team. I'm a
Speaker 3: Mets fan and my condolences. Yeah yeah, oh boy that ship.
Speaker 3: The last week has been brutal and uh I I
Speaker 3: complain about it on Twitter. The Beat writers don't dig
Speaker 3: for any information. I mean they now they don't have
Speaker 3: and I think one of the reasons is because they
Speaker 3: don't have to sell papers anymore because they know no
Speaker 3: more newspapers, so they don't part of the job of
Speaker 3: the beat writer. When TJ. Simers is doing it well,
Speaker 3: he needed to sell papers, so he needed to beat
Speaker 3: the other guy to the story because that's what sold papers.
Speaker 3: The paper that broke stories was the one that people bought.
Speaker 3: And that's not the case anymore. They're no more newspapers,
Speaker 3: and the Beat writers aren't. I'm sure they're not being pushed. Clearly,
Speaker 3: they're not to go get stories and go find information
Speaker 3: that isn't out there yet because the fans want to
Speaker 3: know it, so they don't have to do that.
Speaker 4: Anymore.
Speaker 3: So they don't I mean they literally don't don't don't
Speaker 3: look for any information. It's what you just said. They
Speaker 3: just let the pr people give them stuff and that's it.
Speaker 3: And that's not what it was supposed to be. That's
Speaker 3: not what journalism was when I got my journalism degree.
Speaker 3: And it's unfortunate that that's what it is, because it's
Speaker 3: just you don't know anything anymore.
Speaker 4: It's no fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, TJ told me, he said, the thing that you
Speaker 1: have to do now as a writer, they call it engagements,
Speaker 1: where like they expect when people read your story. He said, like,
Speaker 1: you're sorry about the La Times because he's still obviously
Speaker 1: connected there with people at the Times, and they expect
Speaker 1: certain number of engagements, like people to subscribe based on
Speaker 1: reading Bill Plashki or somebody like that. So I don't
Speaker 1: know how they keep track of who's actually subscribing based
Speaker 1: on reading a column or not, but supposely that's the case.
Speaker 1: But you mentioned you're a Mets fan. So at the
Speaker 1: trade deadline this year, Verlander and Sure's are gone. There's
Speaker 1: a big controversy whether or not the Mets are actually
Speaker 1: going to try to win in twenty twenty. For what
Speaker 1: say you, Turk as a long suffering Mets fan Stephen Cohen,
Speaker 1: when this guy got hired as the owner, when he
Speaker 1: bought the team, he get hired, people said, oh, this
Speaker 1: is great, the greatest owner of all time. Blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. He's a Mets fan. Not
Speaker 1: going so well right now? What's your take on Cohen
Speaker 1: and the Mets.
Speaker 3: Well, what I feel happened is it's a kind of
Speaker 3: a three year process. In twenty twenty one, they had
Speaker 3: the analytics department run the team and it was a
Speaker 3: complete failure. And that was Cohen's he bought it team.
Speaker 3: It didn't really change anything. Sandy Alderson was still in charge,
Speaker 3: and it was Alderson's dream to have analytics do everything.
Speaker 3: He's one of the fathers of analytics, going back to
Speaker 3: the late nineties.
Speaker 4: And so it failed.
Speaker 3: So then last year they hired Buck show Walter for
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, and they hired some good coaches, and
Speaker 3: they backed off the analytics and let the manager and
Speaker 3: the coaches do their thing, you know, like it used
Speaker 3: to be for one hundred and fifty years. And they
Speaker 3: had a great year, won one hundred and one games,
Speaker 3: they stumbled down the stretch, lost in the in the
Speaker 3: wild card to the Padres. So then this year they
Speaker 3: yet Cohen spends the big money, right, three hundred what
Speaker 3: fifty three hundred and seventy million whatever it was, I
Speaker 3: mean huge amounts of money, you know, like the Dodgers
Speaker 3: did in the two thousands, you know when when they
Speaker 3: got bought and they never won either. And then it
Speaker 3: fell apart again. And it turns out that because Cohen
Speaker 3: put the analytics department in charge again this year, and
Speaker 3: it's been a disaster. Everyone has played worse than their
Speaker 3: the back of their baseball card. And so, oh they
Speaker 3: did the right thing. I think by selling off they
Speaker 3: got a lot of good prospects. I know how you
Speaker 3: let me let me say, do you still call prospects suspects?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, yes, because turk listen, you're all excited because
Speaker 1: everyone does the same thing that, oh, this guy's gonna
Speaker 1: be great. You know, those guy's gonna live up to
Speaker 1: the scouting report.
Speaker 4: I've heard this for twenty plus years, folks.
Speaker 1: And I've been right, and I've been right more times
Speaker 1: than i've been wrong. Because you look at the trades
Speaker 1: and you can go back, and with very few exceptions
Speaker 1: when you trade an established start player. In fact, I
Speaker 1: praised the Angels Turk for not trading Otani because I
Speaker 1: don't need I'd rather see Otani for two more months
Speaker 1: with a team. If I'm an Angels fan, then trade
Speaker 1: him for some minor league pitchers. Gonna have Tommy John
Speaker 1: surgery in two years and some guy that's hyped up
Speaker 1: the fifty home runs and then ends up batting you know,
Speaker 1: one to ninety four with limited power. I don't need that.
Speaker 1: A great example, the Angels have a guy, Mickey Moniac
Speaker 1: or Mania, whatever his name is, who was the number
Speaker 1: one overall pick from the Phillies. Yes, he's an average
Speaker 1: major league player. Yeah, three hundred this year, but he's
Speaker 1: an average major league player.
Speaker 4: He gave it below average until this year.
Speaker 1: Actually, so you think the Mets. One of the guys
Speaker 1: they got was Ronald is his brother, right, and he's
Speaker 1: a shortstop. Don't you have Francisco Indoor for the next
Speaker 1: ten years or eight years at shortstop?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have him for the rest of his life.
Speaker 1: And then even when he died, even when he dies,
Speaker 1: he'll still be the shortstop.
Speaker 3: He'll still it's the Bobby Benia contract. No, yeah, he's
Speaker 3: a kunya. He'll move to second base. But actually he
Speaker 3: might play next year. He might make the team next year.
Speaker 3: The Mets are in a different situation because Erlander and
Speaker 3: schurz Or were not free agents, So I don't know
Speaker 3: if I was the Angels, though, the Angels must think
Speaker 3: they can resign Otani, because if you if you don't
Speaker 3: think you can resign him, you had to trade him.
Speaker 3: You just had to. I mean, you're gonna get nothing
Speaker 3: for him if he's sign And of course you're a
Speaker 3: Dodgers fan, you're hoping he goes, you know, up up
Speaker 3: the frequently.
Speaker 1: No, no, not necessarily, because I will never be able
Speaker 1: to go to another Dodger game in the press box
Speaker 1: because it'll all be uh. Otani has twenty roughly twenty
Speaker 1: writers and TV people that follow him around. I'm not kidding,
Speaker 1: just a sign from Japanese media to cover him. When
Speaker 1: he pitches it's it's It reminds me of a Dale nomo.
Speaker 1: When I was covering the Dodgers back in the nineties,
Speaker 1: they had a Dale Nomo and it was insane and
Speaker 1: they had to have extra seats because there was so
Speaker 1: much media from Japan. It's it's even bigger now because
Speaker 1: Otani is the greatest player in the history of baseball
Speaker 1: and all this, so it's insane. What's going on?
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't you have a name plate though?
Speaker 3: I mean you've been going to games there in the yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and then I got married. I don't go. I go.
Speaker 1: I don't go as much. I do go more now
Speaker 1: than I did in the past. But yeah, I was
Speaker 1: out there pretty much every night for twenty five years.
Speaker 1: I was at every Dodger game and a lot of
Speaker 1: Laker Clipper games things like that. Back in the but
Speaker 1: I had no life and I had no no one
Speaker 1: to spend time all that stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, see, now you have a life, so now you
Speaker 4: can't go.
Speaker 1: As much exactly. You know, he's being grown up. I
Speaker 1: guess that's what they call it, right, And then you're so,
Speaker 1: you're you're okay, what you like the minor league players,
Speaker 1: you buy into the.
Speaker 3: High Well here's the thing I'm not. I mean, look,
Speaker 3: Sure's are I mean, look, Otani's still in his prime.
Speaker 3: Sure's are and Verlander are not so. And in fact,
Speaker 3: Sure's are gave up what three runs is? First inning
Speaker 3: with the with Texas pitched well the rest of the way,
Speaker 3: but uh, neither one of those guys is going to
Speaker 3: get better next year, so I you know, that's why
Speaker 3: I'm okay with it.
Speaker 4: That what the Mets gave up was just people who
Speaker 4: are free agents or forty year olds.
Speaker 1: So well, and then it's also paid. Uh CO paid
Speaker 1: a good amount of money, which is which is fine
Speaker 1: with me because you know, you know, I don't I
Speaker 1: live in Phoenix, so I'm not going to the game.
Speaker 3: So if he wants to raise you know, he wants
Speaker 3: to raise ticket prices and rices for concessions, I'm okay
Speaker 3: with that. If he wants to recoup some of that money,
Speaker 3: it's not my money. So you know, he did the
Speaker 3: right thing. He can afford it, and more power to him.
Speaker 3: He actually took his money and bought minor league prospects.
Speaker 3: It was an interesting theory, right, instead of the Mets
Speaker 3: played the Oriols this weekend and got swept, and instead
Speaker 3: of they talked about on the broadcast. Instead of tanking
Speaker 3: for four years like the Oriols, the Oriels are winning
Speaker 3: fifty two games a year for like four years. Right,
Speaker 3: they were terrible. They were losing one hundred and ten
Speaker 3: games a year to get high draft picks to rebuild.
Speaker 3: So what Cohen did instead was instead of tanking like that,
Speaker 3: he's going to use his money and bought prospects. So
Speaker 3: he bought first round pick prospects and instead of tanking,
Speaker 3: and so we'll see if it works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you could never get away with what the
Speaker 1: Orioles did or the Astros for years before they right
Speaker 1: first right, and then they still had to cheat to
Speaker 1: end up winning the World Chest.
Speaker 4: So that we're on the same page on that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: So we have a little time left. I know you're
Speaker 1: in the NFL. You're a Giants fan, your family had
Speaker 1: season tickets forever. But the Giants are an afterthought this
Speaker 1: so far, in terms of publicity, it's all about the Jets.
Speaker 3: That's okay.
Speaker 1: That doesn't annoy you. You're not bothered by that. Aaron Rogers,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers takes a bottel movement and it's a front
Speaker 1: page news on the Internet. You know, you're not worried
Speaker 1: about that. You're fine with being in the background.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 3: The Giants have always been like that, So we're fine
Speaker 3: with that. I mean, the Giants have won four Super Bowls.
Speaker 3: The Jets haven't haven't even been in the Super Bowl
Speaker 3: since sixty nine, so and meanwhile the Giants have won four.
Speaker 3: So we're we're very happy with Let the Jets get
Speaker 3: all that publicity. The Giants are back. They have a
Speaker 3: great coaching staff. Daniel Jones. You're gonna love this one, bet,
Speaker 3: I know you love this. Daniel Jones is looking great
Speaker 3: in training camp.
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, I'm sure, yeah, yeah against against two
Speaker 1: exactly against who is he always loving guys, no dominate practice,
Speaker 1: you know, but let's see him in a game. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like in Spimmer and spring training, guys would
Speaker 1: hit a bunch of home runs in the Cactus League
Speaker 1: and you're like, let's see, let's see what he does
Speaker 1: at night at you know, not in that, you know,
Speaker 1: not in the hot weather, just the normal weather, you know,
Speaker 1: in the with a marine layer in LA or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, they're looking good. I mean, they have a
Speaker 3: really good coaching staff with with Dable and and Mike
Speaker 3: Kafka is the the coordinator, and then they've got Wink
Speaker 3: Martindale as a defensive coordinator. They had that surprise team
Speaker 3: last year that went to the playoffs and beat the
Speaker 3: Vikings in the first round. I know, so they're gonna.
Speaker 1: Know what happens. Though, When you have that's turk. You've
Speaker 1: been around enough. When you have a surprise season the
Speaker 1: following year, it's the regression to the meet. So you
Speaker 1: gotta be worried about that aggression.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it as the eighties Giants where they
Speaker 3: eighty four they came out of nowhere. It had a
Speaker 3: nine to seven year, and then in eighty five they
Speaker 3: got they went better, and then eighty six they won
Speaker 3: it all. So that's that's the progression we're looking at here.
Speaker 3: We think that that this team is going to make
Speaker 3: the playoffs and they're going to be real solid. And
Speaker 3: they got Darren Waller as a nice tight end receiver. Uh,
Speaker 3: you know, one of the that's what they were missing.
Speaker 3: Theydn't have anybody good to throw to, and now they've
Speaker 3: got They've got that. They signed a couple.
Speaker 1: Of Is it that? Is it the people catching the
Speaker 1: passes or is it the person throwing the pass?
Speaker 3: Oh? Are you an anti Daniel Jones? Guy?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a truther. I'm a Dan is what I am?
Speaker 1: The guy's abum but.
Speaker 3: It was last year was the first year he had
Speaker 3: confident coaching and and he played well.
Speaker 1: The Giants where I believe twenty fifth in passing offense
Speaker 1: last year, Well.
Speaker 3: They well, they did they well, but you know, they
Speaker 3: rained it in and and Barkley did most of the work.
Speaker 4: Say kwon Barkley.
Speaker 1: But but is that because Brian able to not trust
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4: At the beginning?
Speaker 3: Yes, and the first yes, the first half of the
Speaker 3: year correct, And but he got better and better as
Speaker 3: year went on.
Speaker 4: And now they're opening it up.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you if you count what they're telling
Speaker 3: us in training camp, you know what the Beat writers do,
Speaker 3: give you stuff in training camp for football, so they
Speaker 3: you know, and and that it seems like they're opening
Speaker 3: it up. They they actually went out and got some
Speaker 3: receivers and got Waller, who's more of a receiving receiving
Speaker 3: tight end. He's not a blocker, so uh and he's
Speaker 3: been dominating in practice too. So well, you know, we
Speaker 3: we have high hopes for the Giants this year, for sure.
Speaker 1: I got you all right, and you you've been out
Speaker 1: of the radio business for a while, right sir, living
Speaker 1: a normal life. What's it like living a normal life
Speaker 1: in education.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I've been teaching. Well, I've been teaching pe.
Speaker 3: This is my seventeenth year. What yeah, Well I started.
Speaker 3: I started in six while I was still working at
Speaker 3: Fox Okay, and that's when I shifted to weekend work,
Speaker 3: so I would One of my high lights of working
Speaker 3: at Sporting News Radio is I was working seven days
Speaker 3: a week because I was teaching Monday through Friday, then
Speaker 3: doing eight hour shifts Saturday and Sunday for the Sporting
Speaker 3: News Network, and.
Speaker 4: So it was.
Speaker 3: It was a lot, but I loved it and I
Speaker 3: miss it. I do miss being on the air. I
Speaker 3: miss working with you for sure. It was a lot
Speaker 3: of fun, keeping us keeping ourselves awake at three am,
Speaker 3: and it was. It was a lot of fun. No,
Speaker 3: we had a great time. And I remember I went
Speaker 3: when you were coaching early on at.
Speaker 1: Very bougie school in Brentwood.
Speaker 4: I believe, Yes, are we allowed to name it? Can
Speaker 4: I name it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: You don't work there anymore? Not sure? Why not? Go ahead?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: I worked for a school called carl Thorpe, very fancy school,
Speaker 3: private school some some celebt they don't actually go for
Speaker 3: the celebs. The other private schools in the area kind
Speaker 3: of catered to the celebs. We didn't, but we've had
Speaker 3: we had a few there when I was there. Ben Affleck,
Speaker 3: Jennifer Garner. When are they still together? I've lost the connection.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm pretty pretty sure they're not.
Speaker 4: They're not. They're not together.
Speaker 3: They were then and their kids were young, and so
Speaker 3: they went there, and they're both very nice, by the way,
Speaker 3: for the fans, and they were both very nice people.
Speaker 3: Ben Affleck is tall man. He's six four.
Speaker 4: He's a tall dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Usually those guys in movies are very small, little
Speaker 1: little people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't realize how, you know, they're like basketball players.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you don't realize how tall they are because they
Speaker 3: put them with actors and actresses who were tall, you know,
Speaker 3: and so you don't realize how it's like basketball. They
Speaker 3: all look on TV, they don't look that tall because
Speaker 3: they're all the same size. But then you meet them
Speaker 3: in person and they're, you know, six ' nine. I mean,
Speaker 3: they're huge. But yeah, I work for I work for
Speaker 3: a bougie school. Yes, it's expensive. It's a private school
Speaker 3: in Santa Monica, So yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was pr Now and now you're in Arizona where
Speaker 1: it's one hundred and ten degrees every day of the year,
Speaker 1: which must be make your job very easy, Turk when
Speaker 1: you're out and you're gonna get kids to exercise when
Speaker 1: it's a thousand degrees outside.
Speaker 4: But it's hot, and when there's no gym.
Speaker 3: I don't have a gymnasium. In fact, I was also
Speaker 3: I taught in Vegas for six years as well before
Speaker 3: I moved down here to Phoenix, and uh, and I
Speaker 3: had no gym there either, So and it's hot in
Speaker 3: Vegas too, so it's yeah, they it's hot. It's you
Speaker 3: get I could say, you get used to it. You
Speaker 3: just know it's there. So you're just like, Okay, this
Speaker 3: is what it is, and you try to find shade
Speaker 3: when you can. But I love it. I do miss radio.
Speaker 3: I do miss working with folks like you who are
Speaker 3: so good at it. It was always fun to work
Speaker 3: with people who were good, and you're one of the best.
Speaker 1: Well, I love you and we want you back in radio.
Speaker 1: So if you ever want to get back, it pays
Speaker 1: no money in the hours suck, but we'd love to
Speaker 1: have you back at so much.
Speaker 3: How can I refuse right with an offer like that.
Speaker 1: It's a great offer, but but I'll let you go.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Turk, you're the man. We'll have
Speaker 1: you on again at some point. I appreciate it. Thanks man, Hey,
Speaker 1: I loved it. Thank you so much.