WEBVTT - The Fifth Hour: Turk Stevens, FSR Alumni 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:01.480 Kubbooms. 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:05.400 If you thought four hours a day, twelve hundred minutes 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:09.160 a week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:12.480 of the Old Republic, a soul fashion of fairness. He 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.520 treats crackheads in the ghetto gutter the same as the 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:17.480 rich pill poppers in the penthouse. 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:18.439 Wow. 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.320 The Clearinghouse of Hot takes break free for something special. 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:30.640 The Fifth Hour with Ben Mahler starts right now. 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:34.960 In the air everywhere. Welcome in the Fifth Hour with 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:40.040 Ben Mahler and Danny g Radio. Danny still on assignment 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:44.959 fatherly duty for Danny. He should be back next weekend. 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:48.440 Congratulations again to Danny and his wife on the birth 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.199 of their son last weekend. We'll have all the details 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:55.240 when Danny returns. But we go back to the well 0:00:55.320 --> 0:01:00.800 one more time. The Fox Sports Radio Alumni Association a 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:04.360 chance to catch up with one of my friends in 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:08.000 the radio business who's no longer in the radio business. 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.160 But if you've been a fan of talk radio sports 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.240 talk radio over the years, you know who this guy is. 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:16.639 He not only did a long stint at Fox Sports Radio, 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:20.080 he also worked at Sporting News Radio, which no longer exists, 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:26.440 and the fledgling NBC Sports Radio network, which also no 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:30.720 longer exists. There must be a pattern there, but it 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:35.360 is very exciting for me to welcome back to the microphones, 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.640 the man, the myth, the legend. He also was the 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.800 voice of the Make and Whoopee hockey team. We'll have 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:45.440 to get into that as well. The great Turk Stevens 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.480 joins us now on the fifth hour. Turk, welcome in. 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:55.080 And why don't we start with your timeline? How many years? 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:58.880 I forget? How many years were you at Fox Sports Radio? 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:04.280 Ye? Yes, I went to a competing network. Well, actually 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.800 I was asked to go by a couple of people, 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.919 and then I landed at a different network. And then 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:14.760 they moved out of state, they left California, and so 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.920 by the good graces of one Dan Byer, I was 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.639 able to return to Fox Sports Radio for a couple 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:22.240 of years. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.280 Now, was that the sporting news radio that you went too? 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:31.200 It was? It was sporting news radio and I did that. 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:35.360 Then they moved to Houston. After like three years, three 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.560 or four years they moved to Houston. I was actually 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:42.240 the last voice heard out of the Los Angeles studios 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:43.919 for Sporting news radio. 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.040 Did they want you to go to Houston or did 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:48.840 they tell you that we're good, we don't need no. 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:50.880 No, they actually did. 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.640 They wanted me to go, but I was teaching full time. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.280 I was teaching pe at a private school down in 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.160 Santa Monica, and so I didn't want to go, and 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.040 so they understood that, but they did want me to go. 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:04.359 I didn't go. 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:10.120 And then and then I ended up going to back 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:14.320 to Fox for a couple of years. And then NBC 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:19.440 Sports Radio moved in the now departed NBC Sports Radio 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.720 they're no longer in business, and they came in and 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.480 offered me a full time gig. So I left Fox 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:26.400 to go to NBC Sports Radio. 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.800 Look at that the career path of the Turk. And 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.600 I remember you did the show with me on the 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.080 weekends back when you first started. We were together. We 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.160 did quite a bit of nonsense and you were one 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.280 of the You were one of the original guys that 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:44.800 Benny Versus the Penny. Although I think back then we 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:46.600 had a different name for it. In the early days. 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:48.600 We didn't call it Benny Versus the Penny. You called 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.000 it something else, Ben versus the Coin or whatever. 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.680 Yes, I remember, I actually remember you. 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:56.160 Coming to me one night. 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.400 It was one of the overnights, and you saying, I 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.760 have this idea. And it was me and you, you know, 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.400 doing the show overnight, and you told me the idea. 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.120 I still remember that night and we talked about it 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:09.800 and we and then we put it together and I 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.200 had a quarter and we we did the flips live. 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.640 I actually did them live back then, and it was 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.000 Ben versus the Coin. Yeah, not a great name and 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:21.680 a good bit. 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:23.680 Not a great name, but it was either that or 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:25.240 bringing a monkey or something like that. 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.240 Yes, but those were our options. 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.320 And yes, I'll blame you for the name because it 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:32.320 was your, your show. 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.280 But eventually we got a good name though. Benny versus 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.080 the Penny was the name that it morphed into. And 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:43.040 my one of my favorite Turk memories is when you 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:46.560 were on vacation, you were out, you were out one 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.839 weekend and you were in Palm Springs or something, and 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.800 you still called in to do the do the bit 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.920 with the coin. Yes, it was hilarious because you were 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:58.400 like in a hot tub or something else. 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.279 It was nuts. It was live, it was and it 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.120 really was live. That was no joke. 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:06.200 I was I was live from a hot tub and 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:10.040 put the phone next to me and had a coin 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.320 I brought it. I brought a quarter just for it 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.600 and did flip it on the side of the hot tub. 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.240 And yes, we did it live from that was the 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.080 right around Christmas. We did it live from the hot tub. 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.719 So you're ruining the illusion though it's penny versus the penny, 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:26.320 although at that time it was the coin, so you 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:27.559 could get away with the quarter. 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.800 It was, yeah, because it wasn't It was a coin 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:32.760 back then, and we said it was a quarter. Yeah, 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:34.840 you you altered it to a penny. So it's a 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:35.640 little different now. 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.120 Well, it's all for marketing reasons. It was all for 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.720 marketing reasons and somebody you. 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:42.240 Just can't afford a quarter anymore. 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.640 Well, yeah, working in the radio business, I can barely 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.159 afford a penny at this point. But that's a whole different, 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:52.039 different conversation. So you you would come, I remember you 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.120 came to Fox. You were from Vermont? 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:54.400 Right? 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.359 Is that where you would you were from there? You 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.159 had grown up there? Is that where you were working 0:05:58.200 --> 0:05:59.920 before you came to Fox Sports Radio? 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:04.920 No, I actually was working in Macon, Georgia. I was 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.200 the last radio voice for the East Coast Hockey League 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.400 minor league team called the Macon Whoopee. 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.400 Oh yes, I remember that. We used to do jokes 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:15.120 about that to make it's correct. 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.520 I still have clothing from that, because that's how they 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:19.760 paid us when they folded. They went out of business 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.719 and they, of course in sports, is called folding, and 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.880 I was out of work and they paid us basically 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:31.080 our last paychecks were here are some leftover clothes? 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:32.280 Take them? 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.280 Yeah? Is that stuff worth anything? That's kind of a no. 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.600 I'm sure it isn't. I'm sure it is. Yes. 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:41.120 My son is here pointing out I still have a 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:42.560 making whoopee notepad. 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:48.760 Well, Trevor's your marketing guy. He's your marketing guy for sure. 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:53.120 Yes, yes, so I actually this was in This was 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:54.960 summer of two thousand and two. I'm out of work 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.840 in Macon, Georgia, and I just saw an ad looking 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.120 for an update anchor for five Sports radio, which would 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:02.599 have been what just two years old? You guys would 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:03.480 have been about two years. 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:05.520 Old then, right, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah. 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:10.400 Because you're an original and they and I Smoky Gifford 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:11.320 is the one who hired me. 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:13.000 Very Smoky Gifford. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.400 That's right of my Actually, I sent it in waited 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:21.520 a month, heard nothing, cold called him and he said, 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.120 oh yeh yeah, you know, gave me the usual, you know, 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.120 yeah whatever, And then the next day he called me. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.120 I swear he had never listened to my seat. It 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.720 was CDs back then, he would you know, mail them, 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.080 and I'm swear he never listened to it. 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:35.840 But then he must have pulled it out of the pile. 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:36.480 He told me there were one. 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:41.200 Hundred and fifty CDs he got for this overnight opening, 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:42.840 and I ended up getting the gig. So I moved 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:47.880 from Georgia to LA Before that, I was in Vermont. 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.320 I had grown up in New York in Vermont, and 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:55.920 I had I was in Roswell and Albuquerque, New Mexico 0:07:56.000 --> 0:08:00.240 in the mid nineties doing radio, making chances, you know, 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.880 very short money. I got called back to Vermont for 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.560 a job doing play by play, which is what I 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.400 love to do, doing college hockey and basketball. And I 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:12.360 did that for four years, and then went down to 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.480 Georgia to do the minor league hockey, which I love. 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.000 I enjoyed it thoroughly and then was disappointed when the 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.000 team went under, but then got lucky and got to 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:23.680 meet you, and you were one of my trainers in 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:25.679 LA when I first got there at Fox. 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.640 It's a small world, and we might have ended up 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.280 working together earlier because I've told you the story before. 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.200 But when I was in San Diego at the mighty 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.240 six ninety, one of the first offers I got was 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:41.080 to do an afternoon drive show in Albuquerque at I 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.080 think a station you worked at. I think that was 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.640 one of the stations you worked at. It was this 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.400 Guy's Sports Animal. Yeah, the Sports Animal is the name 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.840 of the station. They approached me about doing a show 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:54.000 in the afternoon, but I saw how much money they paid, 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.959 and I decided, you know what, if I'm going to 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:00.439 leave Southern California, I got to get something that actually 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.040 pays some decent money. Otherwise it's just not gonna not 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:05.839 going to work out. The financial is not going to 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:07.720 work out. But I know you had, you know, you 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:09.560 had to take less money, and you're supposed to, you know, 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.880 it's cheaper to live in Albuquerque and all that stuff. 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:13.199 But I was like, I don't know. And I have 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:17.199 a friend of mine it's still does radio in Albuquerque, 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.560 and he likes it. He enjoys it. 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:19.840 There. 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.280 I've never been to Albuquerque, so I don't know you 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:27.000 missed out. I know it's one of the great vacation destinations. 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.520 If they actually have billboards around LA they have photos 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:35.240 of balloons, you know, those big giant him the hot 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.960 Air balloons, and they're like, this is what we consider traffic, 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:39.520 you know, try to get people done. 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.040 Yes, they do a fall festival every October, the hot 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:44.920 Air balloons. It is actually pretty cool. If you get 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.560 Jess's Go Go, it's pretty fun to watch. It's early 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.200 in the morning. Now you'd have to do it after 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:51.360 your shift, and you know. 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.880 I'd have to stay up. Yeah I can't. Yeah, getting 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:55.640 up early in the morning not my thing. So we 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:59.160 were traveling with the making whoopee turk. What was the 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.600 what were the common nations like when you're traveling with 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.439 a minor league hockey team, was it first class? Were 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.040 you staying at the Rich Carlton when you were on 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.719 the road traveling by chartered planes? 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:11.200 Exactly? 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.640 That's what double a hockey is. Yes, No, it was. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.280 Some of the hotels were not bad. It all depended 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:22.600 on when you booked them, and that was not my department. Unfortunately. 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.160 I remember one of our trips was to New Orleans. 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:26.720 It was the only time I've been in New Orleans. 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.560 That was one of the benefits. I got to see 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.840 the South, which I hadn't really seen much of. I 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.720 don't count Florida as the South, so I hadn't really 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.280 been through the South, and so it was fun to go. 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:40.160 There was a team in New Orleans. 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:46.640 Unfortunately, our crack administrative staff waited before booking the New 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:50.960 Orleans trip and we ended up in Metai, like twenty 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:58.959 miles out in this ramshackle, old brick motel. I think 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:00.640 it might have been a super at one time. It 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.360 might have been in a conoldge actually, and it was. 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.520 It was brutal. It was right across from where the 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:07.240 Saints used to train. I don't know if they still 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.080 train in Metaie, but it was across from that. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:11.440 It was not good, not. 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.439 Good at The cockroaches were large, let me tell you that. 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.760 Yeah, everything's larger in the South though, all these animals. 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:19.480 But New Orleans was awesome. 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:21.600 I mean to get there and I got and to 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.960 get on the you know, to get out on Bourbon 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.240 Street and I interviewed, you know. We had a game 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.800 Friday night in minor league hockey. They usually do games 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.760 on the weekends. They'll go back to back games, and 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:33.680 so we had a game Friday night and I interviewed. 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.880 I always tried to interview the local beat writer for 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.280 the team during the first intermission of the first night 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:42.959 and then afterwards he talks to me, were you know 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.679 during the commercial break and he says, you know, are 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.920 you going to go down to Bourbon Street? I said yeah, 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.800 and he said, here's my card. Don't stray like ten 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:53.920 feet off of Bourbon Street. If you get in trouble, 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.640 call me. I'm thinking, oh boy, what am I getting 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.959 myself into? But but no, it was it was fine. 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:03.200 I mean it was I had to take a cab 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.600 all the way back to Metaie. That wasn't too pleasant, 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.520 but but it was. It was a lot of fun 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.400 and that was one of the nice things about it. 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.560 The travel was tough. We had a bus. It was 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:17.559 a sleeper bus that was on an eighteen wheeler rig 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.240 and it was like a flatbed rig and then it 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:25.640 was like a submarine with just bunks, three bunks on 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.679 each side, with a small road to walk down and 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.960 it slept about twenty two or twenty three people and 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.200 that's what we use. And the guy drove like a 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:35.520 like a maniac. 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:36.760 It was. 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.960 You'd be kind of kind of moving back and forth 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:41.800 down down the high We must have been doing eighty 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:43.920 five in the middle of the night, you know, down 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.960 the down the freeways and it and you'd be rocking 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.600 back and forth on this in this thing as you 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:50.320 tried to sleep. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:51.560 It was interesting, for sure. 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.920 It sounds like the movie portrayals of minor league sport 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:56.960 like that. 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.640 Yeah, like that's real life. And that's why I decided 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:01.520 to do it. I mean, I had done four years 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.040 in Vermonto in the University of Vermont sports. I was 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.760 the voice of the Catamounts. They didn't have a football team. 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.480 It's hockey and basketball with the big sports. And after 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:12.400 four years of that, I was getting toward my mid 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.520 thirties and I'm mean, well, you know, if I'm going 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.600 to do minor league sports, I got to try it 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.120 now because the travel is hell. 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.400 And so I did it. And it took a while. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:24.920 I was taking the drama mean the first few road trips, 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.320 but then after that you got used to it and 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:29.000 it was and then you could sleep. It's kind of 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:30.800 amazing because after a while, you got used to it 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:32.319 and you could sleep overnight. 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.280 So I've told you this in the past, but you 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.319 listening have no idea. But early on, I wanted to 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:39.839 be a play by plague. I didn't want to be 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:41.600 a talk show host. My goal was not to do 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.200 talk radio. I like talk radio, but I was like, ah, 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:45.480 I want to be play by play. I want to 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.040 be like Vin Scully. And then I started doing some 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:52.680 research about how difficult it is. And this is a 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:56.400 long time ago, but the career arc of a minor 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.920 league play by plague I A get terrible money, and 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.640 then b the lifestyles aread. You're traveling, as you said 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.760 you just described, you're you're not traveling well in weird 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.760 weird buses and whatnot. But then the other problem is 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:15.400 to move up the ranks the ladder to a higher 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.160 level is almost impossible. At that time. It was because 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.800 the guys in the in the big league jobs would 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.640 keep those jobs until they were eighty five ninety years 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:28.000 old in some cases, and so it was impossible. And 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:32.440 I remember I had an epiphany when I was starting 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.440 doing radio. I did talk radio. We were in Indianapolis, 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.160 and I went to an Indianapolis Indians game, the Triple 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.080 A team in Indianapolis, and the play by play guy 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:47.480 there had been there for twenty five years or something 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:51.360 doing Triple A baseball in Indianapolis, and I think the guys, 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:53.240 I think he's still there, by the way, I think 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:54.200 he's fifty. 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:56.400 What's the name of the guy, Russ Langer. 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.000 Yes, he was, he was. Where was he in vade 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.880 or Vegas? Albuquerque? He was in Albuquerque when I was there, 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.920 and you were almost there. Yeah, in the mid nineties 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.800 he was doing the Albuquerque Dukes, was the Dodgers Triple A. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.280 Then they moved to Vegas. And in fact, when I 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:19.080 lived in Vegas, Uh what six five six years ago? 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:23.520 I lived in Vegas before I moved here to Phoenix. Uh, 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.120 he was there and he's done. He's been doing probably 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.360 thirty years. He's been doing Triple A baseball and he 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.600 just can never get that break. And super nice guy 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.280 and could never get that break to get into the 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.360 big leagues. And you're right, they would hold on him forever. Uh. 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.560 You made the right choice, by the way, going to 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.480 going to a talk show post, I think was the 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:45.680 right move for you. I don't see you as a 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:46.520 play by play guy. 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.760 No, but you know me now, but you know you 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.840 know me. But early on I think I could do 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.080 I could have done the play by place though you 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:56.320 never got because you did. 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:57.960 You did Dodger pre and posts. 0:15:58.120 --> 0:15:58.280 Right. 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.160 I did do that for for a couple of years yet. 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.360 Right, but you never got the break someone you know, 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:07.200 Vin didn't have a vaga or something. You couldn't go 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:08.080 on for him. Well. 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.640 The funny thing is in those days it was that 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.000 was hallowed you know, Vin and Ross Porter and Rick Monday, 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:19.040 and they would not let any slums like me or 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.880 you do that. But in more recent years, like David 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:26.240 Vessy who does the Dodger stuff. Now he's been given 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.960 opportunities to do some stuff and some other people, But 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.880 in those days it was like, no, this is hallowed ground. 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.200 You have to be of a certain ilk to have 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:37.920 that microphone. 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:38.480 And have the experience. 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.440 You have to be of Yes, you had to have 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.560 paid your dues exactly exactly, and that's what. 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:45.760 You talked about about going up the ladder. 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.080 It was and I, you know, I could have gotten 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.760 another minor league hockey job. I hated doing the media 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:54.920 portion of you had to do media relations, you know, 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:58.560 the pr part, and I really hated it, and I 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:00.280 just wanted to do play by play. It's all That's 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.240 what I wanted to do. From being five or six 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.800 years old. All I ever wanted was play by play. 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.879 And I went to college, got a degree in broadcast journalism, 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:12.639 started in my hometown of ten thousand people, Saint Albans, Vermont. 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:16.520 Shout out to Saint Albans and and I started. And 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.040 but then this job came. You know, you when you're 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:22.560 unemployed in your mid thirties, sitting, you know, in a 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.280 in a small apartment in Macon, Georgia, you know you 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:26.640 got to take what you can get. 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:30.480 And I said, okay, I'll apply to Fox, never thinking. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.040 I would ever get it, because you know, it's Los Angeles, 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.639 it's National network radio. I had done sports updates for 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.879 Burlington Vermont. You know I would never get none. I 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:41.919 got it, So I made the choice. And actually I 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:43.919 haven't done play by play since the make and Whoopie 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:45.680 was the last one. It's over twenty years now. It's 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:47.800 hard to believe it's been over twenty years now. 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:50.600 Did any of those players make it, any of the 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:54.400 coaches make it to the higher level the NHL from. 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:59.560 The Whoopee, I not from our team. Gord Dineen was 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.320 the co of the Make and Whoopee. I think I 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.120 got the job partly because he phoned me for an 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:10.600 interview and he said, hi, am Gordon Deneen, and I said, 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.320 I hated you as a player. I'm a Rangers fan. 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.719 And he laughed because he was an Islander and he 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.560 played for the Islanders for years, and so he laughed, 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:21.800 and I think that's probably one reason I got the job. 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.760 But so he was a pro player, you know, a 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.199 big league player that came down, but none of the 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:32.679 players made it to the NHL from our team. Jack Capuano, 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.920 who I actually went to college with at the University 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:40.919 of Maine, was in my dorm, was coaching the pd 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:46.640 Pride in South Carolina my year of doing ECHL, and 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:49.880 so he ended up making it to the New York 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:53.479 Islanders in fact, as a head coach for years. Most people, 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.120 most players in the East Coast Hockey League, they're lifers. 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:57.520 They're not getting out of the miners. 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:00.480 Yeah, they are locked in. They're in a lifetime employment 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:03.160 kind of like me at Fox Sports Radio, lifetime employment plan. 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:04.439 But you're you're yeah, I'm. 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:05.600 Trying to figure out how you got that. 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:05.960 Ben. 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.960 I don't I don't know. Don't don't jinxit turk, don't 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:12.119 jinx it. It might it might end at any moment. 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:14.359 So you did the show, you didn't stuff with me, 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:17.600 You went to your at Sporting News, you did NBC. 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:19.960 What do do you have a couple of favorite memories 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.320 of those days doing the radio stuff, doing the updates 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.720 and whatnot that stand out? I I love we talked 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:27.960 about the hot tub. That was great. 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:29.840 That was one of the highlights. 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.600 What are some of the other things that stand out 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:33.399 from those days? 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:38.560 You know, my first time on on Sporting News radio, 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:42.720 I was supposed to I was supposed to go and 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:44.639 train for a little bit there, just you know, because 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:48.600 every network has different music, different ways that they throw 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.119 it to you. That's called the end, different ways. I 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.640 would get out and know the music. Everyone has different music. 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:56.159 And I was supposed to train on that. But then 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.680 I remember, actually I was at Santa Anito one day. 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.760 It was in February of seven. I was at Santa 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:07.239 Anita and they they called me and said, hey, we 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:11.360 need someone to fill in with Jeff Biggs. Of all 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:15.200 people someone who a lot of LA Sports radio fans 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:18.840 would know because he's worked for every single station. He 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:23.159 needed someone to work with him. Somebody dropped out. It 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.560 was on the Grammys night and we were doing some 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:28.760 kind of and it was some Sunday night show. So 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.960 that was my first time on Sporting News Radio and 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:34.359 I got to co host with the great Jeff Biggs 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:38.840 doing a show. I hosted college a college football show 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:42.080 for a couple of years on Saturday mornings for an 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:46.080 hour right before kickoff of all the of all the 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:48.199 games on Sporting News. I like doing that. 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:50.840 A boy. 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:54.680 What was my Oh, I know, my first my first 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.439 time on Fox Sports Radio. 0:20:58.080 --> 0:20:58.960 You were training me. 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:02.960 Which is which is right there? A nightmare that I'm 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.879 training you should training anyone that I should have. 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:09.760 It was intimidating, and I've told you this story. It 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.400 was intimidating because I get there and the studio. I'm 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:16.199 from a small town in Vermont and and the and 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:19.600 then I had done stuff uh in Albuquerque, but those 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:21.280 are small, you know, small. 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:22.840 Little studios with old equipment. 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.359 And I walk into the studios in Fox Sports Radio 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:29.440 and it's to me, it looked like the Starship Enterprise 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.480 I mean it was huge rooms. There were lights blinking 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:37.560 from everywhere, all kinds of tape decks and and mini 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:42.720 cassette things and god knows what, and computers everywhere, and 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:45.239 this huge board, which, by the way, you don't need 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:47.600 to use like ninety percent of it. It just looks huge. 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:49.199 It is huge, but you don't use any of the 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.520 dials except maybe two. And it was. And then you 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:55.000 get on the air and you do these brilliant updates 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:58.480 with almost no notes, and I'm thinking, oh boy, what 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:03.360 am I doing here? But you trained me? And who 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:05.640 else was someone else? That Tie works in Fort Myers 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:11.399 now and he crag Craig Sheman, and Craig Sheman also 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:15.960 super nice guy, very nice, and he I think Craig 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:18.439 just didn't want he didn't like doing updates, and you know, 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:20.760 he was more of a host like you, and both 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:23.720 of you graduated finally as you should have to become 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:28.440 hosts and not do updates. And Craig just didn't want 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.440 to do the updates. So I was supposed to train 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:32.840 for like a week, and I trained for two days 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.280 and it was like the nine o'clock update for JT 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:39.240 The Brick Show. And he says, Okay, you're gonna do 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:43.159 the nine o'clock you're ready. I'm like, oh no, I 0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:46.520 don't think, Yeah you are. And so so that's how 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:48.919 I started on network, right I did Okay, I had 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:50.919 like two days of prep instead of a week, and 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.320 bam and I was on the air. And then I 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:56.280 did it ever since, and it was it was a 0:22:56.320 --> 0:22:56.800 lot of fun. 0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:59.800 It really was the sink or swim technique. 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:03.399 It definitely was. It was the I don't want to 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:05.560 do the updates, so I'm gonna let this guy do it, 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:06.879 and if he dies, he dies. 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:10.280 It's funny you brought up when you walked into the studio, 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:14.600 because that's the most famous story from the early days 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.320 of Fox Sports Radio. There was a guy who shall 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:19.879 remain nameless. It was not you, but somebody that the 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:22.760 company had hired who had worked at some big stations. 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:25.639 He had a nice resume, and they brought him in. 0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:27.880 And I think you actually might know this person because 0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:29.159 I think the person was there while you were there, 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:30.520 although it might have been before you. 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:32.440 No, it was before me, because you guys told me 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:33.000 all the story. 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:34.919 Okay, all right, so we told you anyway, So the 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:37.720 guy came in and this guy walked around like he 0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:41.800 was God's gift the radio. I mean, but he had 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:45.919 he walked into that studio you're referring to the update studio, 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:48.840 the news studio, and then they told him what he 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:50.679 had to do, and he said, what is this the 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:53.240 space shuttle? I'm supposed to run the space shuttle here? 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:56.720 And uh, it is one of the greatest stories because 0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:00.560 Annie who you know, who is you know, one of 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:04.960 our bosses and a very interesting woman, nice woman, but 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:09.040 she she sold but they would hire people and she 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:10.960 she would be, oh, this guy's amazing, look at the 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:13.200 resume and all this stuff, and so we always kind 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:14.560 of took it with a grain of salt. But this 0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:18.000 guy in particular, not only her, but several other people 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:21.320 at the company were selling this guy's resume and he 0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:25.400 just was totally in over his head. And it wasn't. 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:27.680 He the one who he wasn't ready to do the 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:29.879 update And the music came on. And when the music 0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:33.760 comes on, folks, you're on. I mean, after the voice 0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:36.760 guy says Fox Sports Update, you have to if you're 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:38.840 the update anchor, you have to go. And didn't he 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:41.320 like put his hand up playing he wasn't ready. Yeah. 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:44.120 No, he told the board op to play more commercials. 0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:46.400 That was what he told me. And I was like, Hey, 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:49.639 we're on a network. We can't not a local station. 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:52.560 We can't local station. You just keep playing extra spots. 0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:54.840 But on the network you got to go and it's like. 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:57.280 And tight on a clock. 0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:02.040 Yeah, it was such a debacle. Touch a total tobacco. 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:05.439 It is a very beautiful studio for folks. If you 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:08.000 ever get there, go and visit Ben and. 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:11.040 You'll be happy to know Trek next time you're in 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:15.800 Los Angeles. We a few months ago moved from the 0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:18.400 studio we had been in for over twenty years. 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:19.600 Twenty two years. 0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:24.119 We just moved across the hall. And you talk about 0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:29.800 high rent real estate and radio, we moved across the hall. 0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:34.120 Rush Limbaugh had his own LA studio When he would 0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:36.120 come to LA for like two weeks a year. Rush 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:39.040 did a show from Florida, but he would do the 0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:42.560 show from Los Angeles in the studio, so they kept 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:45.679 it only for Rush. It was the old rock Line studio. 0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:50.280 And then the next studio over was Steve Harvey. He 0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:53.560 had moved back to LA and he was doing his 0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:57.760 show for a while, and then the pandemic when twenty 0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:01.080 twenty came around that all stuff. He just did the 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:03.800 show from home, or I think he moved back to Atlanta. 0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:07.280 But anyway, so they had these two massive, beautiful studios 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:10.800 that were first class. Everything was brand new for Limbaugh 0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:13.440 who passed away, and Steve Harvey, and so they they 0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:16.960 moved us across the hall and the h So we're 0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:18.480 we're just across the hall from where. 0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:18.879 How was that? 0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:22.600 It's it's it's cool. I like it a lot, mostly 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:25.400 because the air conditioning works better than the old studio. 0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:27.320 And I like I like to make it like an 0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:29.919 ice box. Yes, I like I like it to be 0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:32.400 like a freezer. When I'm in there and it's it's 0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:37.800 really perfect, and everything's new. People haven't spilled coffee over everything. 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:42.239 And food you know you'll take care of that. Oh no, no, 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:44.520 I don't you know you know what mean these days? Turk, 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:47.520 I intermitted fasting. Man, I don't. I don't eat these guys. 0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:48.840 Some of these guys go in there and they eat 0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:51.159 like five meals during the show. It fascinates. 0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:52.160 That's great. 0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:56.520 What are you doing either, No, of course not. No, 0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:57.760 it's it's disgusting. 0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:00.120 It's Alky Loco from right next. 0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:04.240 Yeah, the Crazy Chicken or whatever's there's a buffalo wild 0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:08.119 Wings across the street at the mall doing that. But 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:11.880 so I want to know we are kind of close 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:14.639 to the same age. I was talking to t J. Simmers. 0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:17.320 We had TJ Simer's on the show yesterday, very good, 0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:19.639 the great to columnsts from the other time, and we 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:25.080 were talking about the way sports media operates and like 0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:26.520 me and you, Turk, I think are on the same 0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:28.800 page because we're around the same age, Like we grew 0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:30.560 up and you grew up on the East Coast. I 0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:32.679 grew up on the West Coast. But I always loved 0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:36.760 the critical eye in the media, the columnists that would 0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:41.480 attack the radio guy when warranted performance that was not 0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:44.840 up to standard. And I told TJS, like, listen, you're 0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:47.640 one of the last guys that did that in LA. 0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:49.280 He's one of the only guys that ever did it. 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:51.080 Because LA is a pretty soft talent when it comes 0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:54.040 to the media. They worshiped the athletes and TJ didn't 0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:57.760 do that. And we were discussing, like will it ever 0:27:57.840 --> 0:27:59.639 get back to the way it was? And he didn't 0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:01.439 think it'll ever get back to the way it was. 0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:04.760 I am skeptical as well, Turk, but the way sports 0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:09.160 media operates now were if you are critical. I've noticed 0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:11.399 people get upset a lot of be like, well, we're 0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:14.120 using so critical, you shouldn't be so critical. What's your 0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:14.679 take on that? 0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:18.400 I agree. I agree with you guys. Nobody's critical anymore, 0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:23.399 and I hate it. I'll tell you when when I 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:27.560 was a teenager and into my college days and in 0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:30.439 my twenties, I remember we'd watch hockey games and then 0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:33.240 a goal would be scored, and what we did was 0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:35.639 we wanted to see who the defenseman who was a 0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:38.520 defenseman now skating into the picture after the goal scored 0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:40.520 because it was his fault, so he was the one 0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:42.680 with his head down. You know, we were critical. It's 0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:44.920 like we're looking for who gave up the goal why? 0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:48.520 And they don't do that anymore, and they I think 0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:51.480 it's access. I think it used to be that way 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:54.320 back when it started twenties, thirties, forties, I mean, starting 0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:56.920 with Babe Ruth and those guys, and going up through 0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:01.520 when new sports came up, where the nobody said anything, 0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:05.440 nobody dug for information, you know, like what Mickey Mantle, 0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:08.320 Whitey for Billy Martin would show up drunk at games 0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:10.400 and no one's you know, the reporters never say anything. 0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:12.960 They were drunk from the night before and right, and 0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:15.160 no one would no one would write about it. And 0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.280 it was the same thing with presidents and no one 0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:21.400 would say anything. And then Watergate happened, and I think 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:25.320 that changed it. From the seventies of the eighties and 0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:28.920 nineties when we grew up where it became it was 0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:30.080 now it was on and. 0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:31.000 Now you're now. 0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:34.240 Reporters were supposed to dig and supposed to get info 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:37.440 and be critical and not trust, you know, what the 0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:40.680 teams were telling you, and not trust what the government 0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:43.640 was telling you. And then for some reason in the 0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:47.320 last twenty years, it's all swung back. And I don't 0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:51.320 know what started it, but it's I think teams started 0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:56.480 to started to like withhold access and hold that over 0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:59.120 the reporters' heads. Do you think that's the case where 0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:01.600 they say, look, you start being too critical of us, 0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:03.200 you're not we won't let you in here. 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:06.840 I have a theory on this, and my theory is, 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:09.960 and I had somebody when Major League Baseball started their 0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:13.680 MLB dot com and they started hiring beat writers to 0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:16.880 cover the teams, and that was that was to me, 0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:18.880 that was the origin of it. I had somebody that 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:22.280 worked at baseball tell me that this is the future. 0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:24.920 We're just gonna because they were upset with the negative media, 0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:27.120 so we'll just hire the writers and then we'll kind 0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:29.600 of be able to be in control of what's said 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:31.840 about the team. And he said, you know, given given 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.640 enough time, you know, this will become the way people 0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:37.920 expect to get their news about their favorite team. And 0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:43.360 it's been about a generation since MLB started that, and 0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:48.120 we're now at that point where people, a lot of 0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:51.680 younger people younger than us, just expect everything to be 0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:56.720 sugarcoated about their favorite team. And I blame the team 0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:59.160 website stuff, but you are right. A lot of it 0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:02.080 also is hey, if you say something we don't like, 0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:05.080 we're not going to give access. And we talked to 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:08.640 TJ yesterday and TJ pointed something out also. It says 0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:11.440 like the beat writers in his day, when he was 0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:14.840 a beat writer, if the team did not make somebody available, 0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:17.320 he would just still try to track the guy down. 0:31:17.360 --> 0:31:18.880 He's like, well, no, my job is to talk to 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:21.960 that person today, not tomorrow and so. But now a 0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:23.520 lot of the media guys are just like, whatever the 0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:24.840 PR people tell. 0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:25.720 Him, that's it. 0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:27.120 They just take it. 0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:30.720 Yes, that's what they do. I complain about it on 0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:33.720 Twitter all the time. They know my team. I'm a 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:37.680 Mets fan and my condolences. Yeah yeah, oh boy that ship. 0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:44.360 The last week has been brutal and uh I I 0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:46.920 complain about it on Twitter. The Beat writers don't dig 0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:49.840 for any information. I mean they now they don't have 0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:51.840 and I think one of the reasons is because they 0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:53.400 don't have to sell papers anymore because they know no 0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:57.120 more newspapers, so they don't part of the job of 0:31:57.160 --> 0:31:59.960 the beat writer. When TJ. Simers is doing it well, 0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:02.320 he needed to sell papers, so he needed to beat 0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:05.000 the other guy to the story because that's what sold papers. 0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:08.320 The paper that broke stories was the one that people bought. 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:12.520 And that's not the case anymore. They're no more newspapers, 0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:15.760 and the Beat writers aren't. I'm sure they're not being pushed. Clearly, 0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:19.280 they're not to go get stories and go find information 0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:21.240 that isn't out there yet because the fans want to 0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:22.719 know it, so they don't have to do that. 0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:23.160 Anymore. 0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.160 So they don't I mean they literally don't don't don't 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:28.840 look for any information. It's what you just said. They 0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:31.600 just let the pr people give them stuff and that's it. 0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:34.320 And that's not what it was supposed to be. That's 0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:37.280 not what journalism was when I got my journalism degree. 0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:41.080 And it's unfortunate that that's what it is, because it's 0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:42.480 just you don't know anything anymore. 0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:43.120 It's no fun. 0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:47.720 Yeah, TJ told me, he said, the thing that you 0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.120 have to do now as a writer, they call it engagements, 0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:54.160 where like they expect when people read your story. He said, like, 0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:56.840 you're sorry about the La Times because he's still obviously 0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.600 connected there with people at the Times, and they expect 0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:03.000 certain number of engagements, like people to subscribe based on 0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:07.200 reading Bill Plashki or somebody like that. So I don't 0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:10.240 know how they keep track of who's actually subscribing based 0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:12.760 on reading a column or not, but supposely that's the case. 0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:16.120 But you mentioned you're a Mets fan. So at the 0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:22.720 trade deadline this year, Verlander and Sure's are gone. There's 0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:25.320 a big controversy whether or not the Mets are actually 0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:28.640 going to try to win in twenty twenty. For what 0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:32.360 say you, Turk as a long suffering Mets fan Stephen Cohen, 0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:34.320 when this guy got hired as the owner, when he 0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:36.320 bought the team, he get hired, people said, oh, this 0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:38.120 is great, the greatest owner of all time. Blah blah 0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:41.600 blah blah blah blah blah. He's a Mets fan. Not 0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:43.920 going so well right now? What's your take on Cohen 0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:44.479 and the Mets. 0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:50.160 Well, what I feel happened is it's a kind of 0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:54.080 a three year process. In twenty twenty one, they had 0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:56.760 the analytics department run the team and it was a 0:33:56.800 --> 0:34:00.320 complete failure. And that was Cohen's he bought it team. 0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:03.280 It didn't really change anything. Sandy Alderson was still in charge, 0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:06.440 and it was Alderson's dream to have analytics do everything. 0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:08.799 He's one of the fathers of analytics, going back to 0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:09.640 the late nineties. 0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:12.400 And so it failed. 0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.160 So then last year they hired Buck show Walter for 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:18.320 twenty twenty two, and they hired some good coaches, and 0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:20.360 they backed off the analytics and let the manager and 0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:22.759 the coaches do their thing, you know, like it used 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:25.440 to be for one hundred and fifty years. And they 0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:27.120 had a great year, won one hundred and one games, 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:29.680 they stumbled down the stretch, lost in the in the 0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:32.680 wild card to the Padres. So then this year they 0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:35.759 yet Cohen spends the big money, right, three hundred what 0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.480 fifty three hundred and seventy million whatever it was, I 0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:41.080 mean huge amounts of money, you know, like the Dodgers 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:43.759 did in the two thousands, you know when when they 0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:49.040 got bought and they never won either. And then it 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:51.600 fell apart again. And it turns out that because Cohen 0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:53.719 put the analytics department in charge again this year, and 0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:57.160 it's been a disaster. Everyone has played worse than their 0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:00.640 the back of their baseball card. And so, oh they 0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.359 did the right thing. I think by selling off they 0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:05.400 got a lot of good prospects. I know how you 0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:08.560 let me let me say, do you still call prospects suspects? 0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:12.880 Yes? Yes, yes, because turk listen, you're all excited because 0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:15.120 everyone does the same thing that, oh, this guy's gonna 0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:16.440 be great. You know, those guy's gonna live up to 0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:17.160 the scouting report. 0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:19.640 I've heard this for twenty plus years, folks. 0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:21.640 And I've been right, and I've been right more times 0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:24.200 than i've been wrong. Because you look at the trades 0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:27.480 and you can go back, and with very few exceptions 0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:29.920 when you trade an established start player. In fact, I 0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:34.120 praised the Angels Turk for not trading Otani because I 0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:37.080 don't need I'd rather see Otani for two more months 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.360 with a team. If I'm an Angels fan, then trade 0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:43.560 him for some minor league pitchers. Gonna have Tommy John 0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:46.440 surgery in two years and some guy that's hyped up 0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:49.279 the fifty home runs and then ends up batting you know, 0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:53.000 one to ninety four with limited power. I don't need that. 0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:55.640 A great example, the Angels have a guy, Mickey Moniac 0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.080 or Mania, whatever his name is, who was the number 0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:01.320 one overall pick from the Phillies. Yes, he's an average 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:04.879 major league player. Yeah, three hundred this year, but he's 0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:06.360 an average major league player. 0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:09.080 He gave it below average until this year. 0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:11.120 Actually, so you think the Mets. One of the guys 0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:15.080 they got was Ronald is his brother, right, and he's 0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:18.040 a shortstop. Don't you have Francisco Indoor for the next 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.040 ten years or eight years at shortstop? 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:22.799 Yeah, we have him for the rest of his life. 0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:25.239 And then even when he died, even when he dies, 0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:26.320 he'll still be the shortstop. 0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:31.920 He'll still it's the Bobby Benia contract. No, yeah, he's 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:36.279 a kunya. He'll move to second base. But actually he 0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:38.879 might play next year. He might make the team next year. 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:41.680 The Mets are in a different situation because Erlander and 0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:45.360 schurz Or were not free agents, So I don't know 0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:48.319 if I was the Angels, though, the Angels must think 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:51.040 they can resign Otani, because if you if you don't 0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:53.120 think you can resign him, you had to trade him. 0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:55.320 You just had to. I mean, you're gonna get nothing 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:56.880 for him if he's sign And of course you're a 0:36:56.880 --> 0:36:59.359 Dodgers fan, you're hoping he goes, you know, up up 0:36:59.360 --> 0:36:59.880 the frequently. 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.399 No, no, not necessarily, because I will never be able 0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:04.080 to go to another Dodger game in the press box 0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:11.080 because it'll all be uh. Otani has twenty roughly twenty 0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:14.560 writers and TV people that follow him around. I'm not kidding, 0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:18.799 just a sign from Japanese media to cover him. When 0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:22.439 he pitches it's it's It reminds me of a Dale nomo. 0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:24.200 When I was covering the Dodgers back in the nineties, 0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:26.440 they had a Dale Nomo and it was insane and 0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:28.840 they had to have extra seats because there was so 0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:32.880 much media from Japan. It's it's even bigger now because 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.640 Otani is the greatest player in the history of baseball 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:38.120 and all this, so it's insane. What's going on? 0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:40.879 Yeah, don't you have a name plate though? 0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:44.359 I mean you've been going to games there in the yeah, you. 0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:46.080 Know, and then I got married. I don't go. I go. 0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:48.240 I don't go as much. I do go more now 0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:50.040 than I did in the past. But yeah, I was 0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:53.759 out there pretty much every night for twenty five years. 0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:57.080 I was at every Dodger game and a lot of 0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:00.400 Laker Clipper games things like that. Back in the but 0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:02.960 I had no life and I had no no one 0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:04.760 to spend time all that stuff. 0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:06.680 Yeah, see, now you have a life, so now you 0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:07.120 can't go. 0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:09.680 As much exactly. You know, he's being grown up. I 0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:14.200 guess that's what they call it, right, And then you're so, 0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:16.640 you're you're okay, what you like the minor league players, 0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:17.399 you buy into the. 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:20.560 High Well here's the thing I'm not. I mean, look, 0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:23.000 Sure's are I mean, look, Otani's still in his prime. 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:26.280 Sure's are and Verlander are not so. And in fact, 0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:29.320 Sure's are gave up what three runs is? First inning 0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:32.279 with the with Texas pitched well the rest of the way, 0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:34.680 but uh, neither one of those guys is going to 0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:38.160 get better next year, so I you know, that's why 0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:39.120 I'm okay with it. 0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:41.600 That what the Mets gave up was just people who 0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:43.880 are free agents or forty year olds. 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:48.200 So well, and then it's also paid. Uh CO paid 0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:50.600 a good amount of money, which is which is fine 0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:53.799 with me because you know, you know, I don't I 0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:55.439 live in Phoenix, so I'm not going to the game. 0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:57.839 So if he wants to raise you know, he wants 0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:01.759 to raise ticket prices and rices for concessions, I'm okay 0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:03.680 with that. If he wants to recoup some of that money, 0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:06.239 it's not my money. So you know, he did the 0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:09.279 right thing. He can afford it, and more power to him. 0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:13.520 He actually took his money and bought minor league prospects. 0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:17.920 It was an interesting theory, right, instead of the Mets 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:20.800 played the Oriols this weekend and got swept, and instead 0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:26.880 of they talked about on the broadcast. Instead of tanking 0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:29.359 for four years like the Oriols, the Oriels are winning 0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:32.319 fifty two games a year for like four years. Right, 0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:34.160 they were terrible. They were losing one hundred and ten 0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:37.840 games a year to get high draft picks to rebuild. 0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:42.040 So what Cohen did instead was instead of tanking like that, 0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:45.440 he's going to use his money and bought prospects. So 0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:50.760 he bought first round pick prospects and instead of tanking, 0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:52.240 and so we'll see if it works. 0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.400 Yeah, well, you could never get away with what the 0:39:55.440 --> 0:40:01.560 Orioles did or the Astros for years before they right 0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:05.000 first right, and then they still had to cheat to 0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:06.200 end up winning the World Chest. 0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:09.960 So that we're on the same page on that one. 0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:12.040 Yeah, yeah, all right. 0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:14.200 So we have a little time left. I know you're 0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:17.040 in the NFL. You're a Giants fan, your family had 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:20.759 season tickets forever. But the Giants are an afterthought this 0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:23.760 so far, in terms of publicity, it's all about the Jets. 0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:25.000 That's okay. 0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:28.160 That doesn't annoy you. You're not bothered by that. Aaron Rogers, 0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:31.480 Aaron Rodgers takes a bottel movement and it's a front 0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:33.680 page news on the Internet. You know, you're not worried 0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:35.680 about that. You're fine with being in the background. 0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:35.920 Huh. 0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:39.000 The Giants have always been like that, So we're fine 0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:41.840 with that. I mean, the Giants have won four Super Bowls. 0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:44.240 The Jets haven't haven't even been in the Super Bowl 0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:48.160 since sixty nine, so and meanwhile the Giants have won four. 0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:51.359 So we're we're very happy with Let the Jets get 0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:55.320 all that publicity. The Giants are back. They have a 0:40:55.360 --> 0:41:00.640 great coaching staff. Daniel Jones. You're gonna love this one, bet, 0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:02.600 I know you love this. Daniel Jones is looking great 0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:03.400 in training camp. 0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:07.520 So oh yeah, I'm sure, yeah, yeah against against two 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:11.440 exactly against who is he always loving guys, no dominate practice, 0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:12.960 you know, but let's see him in a game. It's 0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:15.640 like it's like in Spimmer and spring training, guys would 0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:17.560 hit a bunch of home runs in the Cactus League 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:19.839 and you're like, let's see, let's see what he does 0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:22.279 at night at you know, not in that, you know, 0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:25.040 not in the hot weather, just the normal weather, you know, 0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:27.239 in the with a marine layer in LA or something 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:27.480 like that. 0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:30.120 But yeah, they're looking good. I mean, they have a 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:33.399 really good coaching staff with with Dable and and Mike 0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:37.960 Kafka is the the coordinator, and then they've got Wink 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.719 Martindale as a defensive coordinator. They had that surprise team 0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:43.600 last year that went to the playoffs and beat the 0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:46.880 Vikings in the first round. I know, so they're gonna. 0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:48.880 Know what happens. Though, When you have that's turk. You've 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:51.799 been around enough. When you have a surprise season the 0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:54.680 following year, it's the regression to the meet. So you 0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:56.280 gotta be worried about that aggression. 0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:59.879 I'm looking at it as the eighties Giants where they 0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:02.200 eighty four they came out of nowhere. It had a 0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:05.040 nine to seven year, and then in eighty five they 0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:07.520 got they went better, and then eighty six they won 0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:11.160 it all. So that's that's the progression we're looking at here. 0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:13.839 We think that that this team is going to make 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:16.480 the playoffs and they're going to be real solid. And 0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:20.720 they got Darren Waller as a nice tight end receiver. Uh, 0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:22.479 you know, one of the that's what they were missing. 0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:25.000 Theydn't have anybody good to throw to, and now they've 0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.680 got They've got that. They signed a couple. 0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:30.520 Of Is it that? Is it the people catching the 0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:32.359 passes or is it the person throwing the pass? 0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:34.799 Oh? Are you an anti Daniel Jones? Guy? 0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:38.759 I'm I'm a truther. I'm a Dan is what I am? 0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:40.879 The guy's abum but. 0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:44.799 It was last year was the first year he had 0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:47.280 confident coaching and and he played well. 0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:51.560 The Giants where I believe twenty fifth in passing offense 0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:52.279 last year, Well. 0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:54.359 They well, they did they well, but you know, they 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:57.160 rained it in and and Barkley did most of the work. 0:42:57.200 --> 0:42:58.080 Say kwon Barkley. 0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:01.080 But but is that because Brian able to not trust 0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:02.520 Daniel Jones. 0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:02.920 At the beginning? 0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:05.400 Yes, and the first yes, the first half of the 0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:08.200 year correct, And but he got better and better as 0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:08.759 year went on. 0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:10.000 And now they're opening it up. 0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:11.880 I mean, if you if you count what they're telling 0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:14.560 us in training camp, you know what the Beat writers do, 0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:17.560 give you stuff in training camp for football, so they 0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:21.000 you know, and and that it seems like they're opening 0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:22.560 it up. They they actually went out and got some 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.840 receivers and got Waller, who's more of a receiving receiving 0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:29.239 tight end. He's not a blocker, so uh and he's 0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:32.640 been dominating in practice too. So well, you know, we 0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.640 we have high hopes for the Giants this year, for sure. 0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:38.080 I got you all right, and you you've been out 0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:41.080 of the radio business for a while, right sir, living 0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:43.760 a normal life. What's it like living a normal life 0:43:43.760 --> 0:43:44.560 in education. 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:47.960 Uh yeah, I've been teaching. Well, I've been teaching pe. 0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:52.000 This is my seventeenth year. What yeah, Well I started. 0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:54.600 I started in six while I was still working at 0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:57.640 Fox Okay, and that's when I shifted to weekend work, 0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:01.280 so I would One of my high lights of working 0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:03.480 at Sporting News Radio is I was working seven days 0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:06.120 a week because I was teaching Monday through Friday, then 0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:10.320 doing eight hour shifts Saturday and Sunday for the Sporting 0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:11.719 News Network, and. 0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:12.239 So it was. 0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:15.600 It was a lot, but I loved it and I 0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:17.560 miss it. I do miss being on the air. I 0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:20.960 miss working with you for sure. It was a lot 0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:24.840 of fun, keeping us keeping ourselves awake at three am, 0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:27.880 and it was. It was a lot of fun. No, 0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:29.879 we had a great time. And I remember I went 0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:32.160 when you were coaching early on at. 0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:34.839 Very bougie school in Brentwood. 0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:37.799 I believe, Yes, are we allowed to name it? Can 0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:38.319 I name it? 0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:38.520 Oh? 0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:41.080 You don't work there anymore? Not sure? Why not? Go ahead? 0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:41.359 Yes? 0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:45.400 I worked for a school called carl Thorpe, very fancy school, 0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:49.600 private school some some celebt they don't actually go for 0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:52.440 the celebs. The other private schools in the area kind 0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:55.080 of catered to the celebs. We didn't, but we've had 0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:57.800 we had a few there when I was there. Ben Affleck, 0:44:57.880 --> 0:45:02.080 Jennifer Garner. When are they still together? I've lost the connection. 0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:04.279 I don't know if I'm pretty pretty sure they're not. 0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:05.640 They're not. They're not together. 0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:08.120 They were then and their kids were young, and so 0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:10.319 they went there, and they're both very nice, by the way, 0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:13.320 for the fans, and they were both very nice people. 0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:15.719 Ben Affleck is tall man. He's six four. 0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:17.680 He's a tall dude. 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:20.960 Yeah, Usually those guys in movies are very small, little 0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:21.520 little people. 0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:24.440 Yeah, you don't realize how, you know, they're like basketball players. 0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:26.480 Sometimes you don't realize how tall they are because they 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:29.279 put them with actors and actresses who were tall, you know, 0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:31.520 and so you don't realize how it's like basketball. They 0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:33.799 all look on TV, they don't look that tall because 0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:35.799 they're all the same size. But then you meet them 0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:37.880 in person and they're, you know, six ' nine. I mean, 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:40.560 they're huge. But yeah, I work for I work for 0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:44.760 a bougie school. Yes, it's expensive. It's a private school 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:46.480 in Santa Monica, So yeah, it was. 0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:49.239 It was pr Now and now you're in Arizona where 0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:53.000 it's one hundred and ten degrees every day of the year, 0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:56.879 which must be make your job very easy, Turk when 0:45:56.880 --> 0:45:59.120 you're out and you're gonna get kids to exercise when 0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:01.240 it's a thousand degrees outside. 0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:03.080 But it's hot, and when there's no gym. 0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:05.759 I don't have a gymnasium. In fact, I was also 0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:08.440 I taught in Vegas for six years as well before 0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:11.080 I moved down here to Phoenix, and uh, and I 0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:13.759 had no gym there either, So and it's hot in 0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:17.799 Vegas too, so it's yeah, they it's hot. It's you 0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:19.400 get I could say, you get used to it. You 0:46:19.480 --> 0:46:21.839 just know it's there. So you're just like, Okay, this 0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:23.480 is what it is, and you try to find shade 0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:26.720 when you can. But I love it. I do miss radio. 0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:29.480 I do miss working with folks like you who are 0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:31.799 so good at it. It was always fun to work 0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:34.360 with people who were good, and you're one of the best. 0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:37.760 Well, I love you and we want you back in radio. 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:39.320 So if you ever want to get back, it pays 0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:41.200 no money in the hours suck, but we'd love to 0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:42.200 have you back at so much. 0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:44.960 How can I refuse right with an offer like that. 0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:47.440 It's a great offer, but but I'll let you go. 0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:49.239 Thank you so much, Turk, you're the man. We'll have 0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:52.000 you on again at some point. I appreciate it. Thanks man, Hey, 0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:53.359 I loved it. Thank you so much.