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Speaker 2: If you thought four hours a day, twelve hundred minutes

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Speaker 2: of the Old Republic, a soul fashion of fairness. He

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Speaker 2: treats crackheads in the ghetto gutter the same as the

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: The Clearinghouse of Hot takes break free for something special.

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Speaker 2: The Fifth Hour with Ben Mahler starts right now.

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Speaker 1: In the air everywhere. Welcome in the Fifth Hour with

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Speaker 1: Ben Mahler and Danny g Radio. Danny still on assignment

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Speaker 1: fatherly duty for Danny. He should be back next weekend.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations again to Danny and his wife on the birth

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Speaker 1: of their son last weekend. We'll have all the details

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Speaker 1: when Danny returns. But we go back to the well

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Speaker 1: one more time. The Fox Sports Radio Alumni Association a

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Speaker 1: chance to catch up with one of my friends in

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Speaker 1: the radio business who's no longer in the radio business.

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Speaker 1: But if you've been a fan of talk radio sports

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Speaker 1: talk radio over the years, you know who this guy is.

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Speaker 1: He not only did a long stint at Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 1: he also worked at Sporting News Radio, which no longer exists,

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Speaker 1: and the fledgling NBC Sports Radio network, which also no

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Speaker 1: longer exists. There must be a pattern there, but it

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Speaker 1: is very exciting for me to welcome back to the microphones,

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Speaker 1: the man, the myth, the legend. He also was the

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Speaker 1: voice of the Make and Whoopee hockey team. We'll have

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Speaker 1: to get into that as well. The great Turk Stevens

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Speaker 1: joins us now on the fifth hour. Turk, welcome in.

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Speaker 1: And why don't we start with your timeline? How many years?

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Speaker 1: I forget? How many years were you at Fox Sports Radio?

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Speaker 3: Ye? Yes, I went to a competing network. Well, actually

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Speaker 3: I was asked to go by a couple of people,

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Speaker 3: they moved out of state, they left California, and so

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Speaker 3: by the good graces of one Dan Byer, I was

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Speaker 3: able to return to Fox Sports Radio for a couple

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Speaker 1: Now, was that the sporting news radio that you went too?

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Speaker 3: It was? It was sporting news radio and I did that.

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Speaker 3: Then they moved to Houston. After like three years, three

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Speaker 3: or four years they moved to Houston. I was actually

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Speaker 1: Did they want you to go to Houston or did

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Speaker 4: No, they actually did.

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Speaker 3: They wanted me to go, but I was teaching full time.

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Speaker 3: so they understood that, but they did want me to go.

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Speaker 4: I didn't go.

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Speaker 3: And then and then I ended up going to back

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Speaker 3: to Fox for a couple of years. And then NBC

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Speaker 1: Look at that the career path of the Turk. And

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Speaker 1: I remember you did the show with me on the

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Speaker 1: weekends back when you first started. We were together. We

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Speaker 1: did quite a bit of nonsense and you were one

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Speaker 1: of the You were one of the original guys that

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Speaker 1: Benny Versus the Penny. Although I think back then we

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Speaker 1: had a different name for it. In the early days.

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Speaker 1: We didn't call it Benny Versus the Penny. You called

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Speaker 1: it something else, Ben versus the Coin or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I remember, I actually remember you.

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Speaker 4: Coming to me one night.

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Speaker 3: It was one of the overnights, and you saying, I

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Speaker 3: Ben versus the Coin. Yeah, not a great name and

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Speaker 1: Not a great name, but it was either that or

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Speaker 4: Yes, but those were our options.

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Speaker 3: And yes, I'll blame you for the name because it

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Speaker 1: But eventually we got a good name though. Benny versus

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Speaker 4: It was nuts. It was live, it was and it

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Speaker 3: I was I was live from a hot tub and

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Speaker 3: I brought it. I brought a quarter just for it

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Speaker 1: Well, it's all for marketing reasons. It was all for

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Speaker 4: Just can't afford a quarter anymore.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, working in the radio business, I can barely

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Speaker 1: different conversation. So you you would come, I remember you

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Speaker 1: came to Fox. You were from Vermont?

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Speaker 1: Is that where you would you were from there? You

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Speaker 3: I still have clothing from that, because that's how they

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Speaker 1: Well, Trevor's your marketing guy. He's your marketing guy for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so I actually this was in This was

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Speaker 1: Old then, right, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Because you're an original and they and I Smoky Gifford

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Speaker 3: That's right of my Actually, I sent it in waited

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Speaker 4: But then he must have pulled it out of the pile.

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Speaker 1: I've never been to Albuquerque, so I don't know you

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Speaker 1: were traveling with the making whoopee turk. What was the

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Speaker 1: what were the common nations like when you're traveling with

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Speaker 3: Exactly?

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Speaker 4: That's what double a hockey is. Yes, No, it was.

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Speaker 3: Some of the hotels were not bad. It all depended

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Speaker 3: I remember one of our trips was to New Orleans.

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Speaker 3: It was the only time I've been in New Orleans.

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Speaker 3: That was one of the benefits. I got to see

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Speaker 4: There was a team in New Orleans.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, our crack administrative staff waited before booking the New

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Speaker 3: are small, you know, small.

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Speaker 4: Little studios with old equipment.

440
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Speaker 3: And I walk into the studios in Fox Sports Radio

441
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Speaker 3: and it's to me, it looked like the Starship Enterprise

442
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Speaker 3: I mean it was huge rooms. There were lights blinking

443
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Speaker 3: from everywhere, all kinds of tape decks and and mini

444
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 3: cassette things and god knows what, and computers everywhere, and

445
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,239
Speaker 3: this huge board, which, by the way, you don't need

446
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 3: to use like ninety percent of it. It just looks huge.

447
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 3: It is huge, but you don't use any of the

448
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Speaker 3: dials except maybe two. And it was. And then you

449
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 3: get on the air and you do these brilliant updates

450
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Speaker 3: with almost no notes, and I'm thinking, oh boy, what

451
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Speaker 3: am I doing here? But you trained me? And who

452
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 3: else was someone else? That Tie works in Fort Myers

453
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 3: now and he crag Craig Sheman, and Craig Sheman also

454
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 3: super nice guy, very nice, and he I think Craig

455
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Speaker 3: just didn't want he didn't like doing updates, and you know,

456
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 3: he was more of a host like you, and both

457
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 3: of you graduated finally as you should have to become

458
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Speaker 3: hosts and not do updates. And Craig just didn't want

459
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Speaker 3: to do the updates. So I was supposed to train

460
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Speaker 3: for like a week, and I trained for two days

461
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Speaker 3: and it was like the nine o'clock update for JT

462
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Speaker 3: The Brick Show. And he says, Okay, you're gonna do

463
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Speaker 3: the nine o'clock you're ready. I'm like, oh no, I

464
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Speaker 3: don't think, Yeah you are. And so so that's how

465
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Speaker 3: I started on network, right I did Okay, I had

466
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Speaker 3: like two days of prep instead of a week, and

467
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Speaker 3: bam and I was on the air. And then I

468
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Speaker 3: did it ever since, and it was it was a

469
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Speaker 3: lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: It really was the sink or swim technique.

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Speaker 3: It definitely was. It was the I don't want to

472
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Speaker 3: do the updates, so I'm gonna let this guy do it,

473
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 3: and if he dies, he dies.

474
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Speaker 1: It's funny you brought up when you walked into the studio,

475
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Speaker 1: because that's the most famous story from the early days

476
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Speaker 1: of Fox Sports Radio. There was a guy who shall

477
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Speaker 1: remain nameless. It was not you, but somebody that the

478
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Speaker 1: company had hired who had worked at some big stations.

479
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Speaker 1: He had a nice resume, and they brought him in.

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Speaker 1: And I think you actually might know this person because

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Speaker 1: I think the person was there while you were there,

482
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Speaker 1: although it might have been before you.

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Speaker 4: No, it was before me, because you guys told me

484
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Speaker 4: all the story.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so we told you anyway, So the

486
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Speaker 1: guy came in and this guy walked around like he

487
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Speaker 1: was God's gift the radio. I mean, but he had

488
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Speaker 1: he walked into that studio you're referring to the update studio,

489
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Speaker 1: the news studio, and then they told him what he

490
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Speaker 1: had to do, and he said, what is this the

491
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Speaker 1: space shuttle? I'm supposed to run the space shuttle here?

492
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Speaker 1: And uh, it is one of the greatest stories because

493
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Speaker 1: Annie who you know, who is you know, one of

494
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Speaker 1: our bosses and a very interesting woman, nice woman, but

495
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Speaker 1: she she sold but they would hire people and she

496
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Speaker 1: she would be, oh, this guy's amazing, look at the

497
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Speaker 1: resume and all this stuff, and so we always kind

498
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Speaker 1: of took it with a grain of salt. But this

499
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Speaker 1: guy in particular, not only her, but several other people

500
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Speaker 1: at the company were selling this guy's resume and he

501
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Speaker 1: just was totally in over his head. And it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: He the one who he wasn't ready to do the

503
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Speaker 3: update And the music came on. And when the music

504
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Speaker 3: comes on, folks, you're on. I mean, after the voice

505
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Speaker 3: guy says Fox Sports Update, you have to if you're

506
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Speaker 3: the update anchor, you have to go. And didn't he

507
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Speaker 3: like put his hand up playing he wasn't ready. Yeah.

508
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Speaker 1: No, he told the board op to play more commercials.

509
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Speaker 1: That was what he told me. And I was like, Hey,

510
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Speaker 1: we're on a network. We can't not a local station.

511
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Speaker 1: We can't local station. You just keep playing extra spots.

512
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Speaker 1: But on the network you got to go and it's like.

513
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Speaker 4: And tight on a clock.

514
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was such a debacle. Touch a total tobacco.

515
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Speaker 3: It is a very beautiful studio for folks. If you

516
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Speaker 3: ever get there, go and visit Ben and.

517
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Speaker 1: You'll be happy to know Trek next time you're in

518
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles. We a few months ago moved from the

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Speaker 1: studio we had been in for over twenty years.

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Speaker 3: Twenty two years.

521
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Speaker 1: We just moved across the hall. And you talk about

522
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Speaker 1: high rent real estate and radio, we moved across the hall.

523
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Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh had his own LA studio When he would

524
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Speaker 1: come to LA for like two weeks a year. Rush

525
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Speaker 1: did a show from Florida, but he would do the

526
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Speaker 1: show from Los Angeles in the studio, so they kept

527
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Speaker 1: it only for Rush. It was the old rock Line studio.

528
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Speaker 1: And then the next studio over was Steve Harvey. He

529
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Speaker 1: had moved back to LA and he was doing his

530
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Speaker 1: show for a while, and then the pandemic when twenty

531
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Speaker 1: twenty came around that all stuff. He just did the

532
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Speaker 1: show from home, or I think he moved back to Atlanta.

533
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Speaker 1: But anyway, so they had these two massive, beautiful studios

534
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Speaker 1: that were first class. Everything was brand new for Limbaugh

535
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Speaker 1: who passed away, and Steve Harvey, and so they they

536
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Speaker 1: moved us across the hall and the h So we're

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Speaker 1: we're just across the hall from where.

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Speaker 4: How was that?

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's cool. I like it a lot, mostly

540
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Speaker 1: because the air conditioning works better than the old studio.

541
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Speaker 1: And I like I like to make it like an

542
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Speaker 1: ice box. Yes, I like I like it to be

543
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Speaker 1: like a freezer. When I'm in there and it's it's

544
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Speaker 1: really perfect, and everything's new. People haven't spilled coffee over everything.

545
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Speaker 1: And food you know you'll take care of that. Oh no, no,

546
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Speaker 1: I don't you know you know what mean these days? Turk,

547
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Speaker 1: I intermitted fasting. Man, I don't. I don't eat these guys.

548
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: Some of these guys go in there and they eat

549
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Speaker 1: like five meals during the show. It fascinates.

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Speaker 3: That's great.

551
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Speaker 1: What are you doing either, No, of course not. No,

552
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Speaker 1: it's it's disgusting.

553
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Speaker 4: It's Alky Loco from right next.

554
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Crazy Chicken or whatever's there's a buffalo wild

555
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: Wings across the street at the mall doing that. But

556
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: so I want to know we are kind of close

557
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Speaker 1: to the same age. I was talking to t J. Simmers.

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00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: We had TJ Simer's on the show yesterday, very good,

559
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: the great to columnsts from the other time, and we

560
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: were talking about the way sports media operates and like

561
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Speaker 1: me and you, Turk, I think are on the same

562
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Speaker 1: page because we're around the same age, Like we grew

563
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Speaker 1: up and you grew up on the East Coast. I

564
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Speaker 1: grew up on the West Coast. But I always loved

565
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Speaker 1: the critical eye in the media, the columnists that would

566
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Speaker 1: attack the radio guy when warranted performance that was not

567
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Speaker 1: up to standard. And I told TJS, like, listen, you're

568
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Speaker 1: one of the last guys that did that in LA.

569
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Speaker 1: He's one of the only guys that ever did it.

570
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Speaker 1: Because LA is a pretty soft talent when it comes

571
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Speaker 1: to the media. They worshiped the athletes and TJ didn't

572
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Speaker 1: do that. And we were discussing, like will it ever

573
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Speaker 1: get back to the way it was? And he didn't

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Speaker 1: think it'll ever get back to the way it was.

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Speaker 1: I am skeptical as well, Turk, but the way sports

576
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: media operates now were if you are critical. I've noticed

577
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Speaker 1: people get upset a lot of be like, well, we're

578
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Speaker 1: using so critical, you shouldn't be so critical. What's your

579
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Speaker 1: take on that?

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Speaker 3: I agree. I agree with you guys. Nobody's critical anymore,

581
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Speaker 3: and I hate it. I'll tell you when when I

582
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Speaker 3: was a teenager and into my college days and in

583
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Speaker 3: my twenties, I remember we'd watch hockey games and then

584
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: a goal would be scored, and what we did was

585
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Speaker 3: we wanted to see who the defenseman who was a

586
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Speaker 3: defenseman now skating into the picture after the goal scored

587
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Speaker 3: because it was his fault, so he was the one

588
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: with his head down. You know, we were critical. It's

589
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: like we're looking for who gave up the goal why?

590
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: And they don't do that anymore, and they I think

591
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 3: it's access. I think it used to be that way

592
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: back when it started twenties, thirties, forties, I mean, starting

593
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Speaker 3: with Babe Ruth and those guys, and going up through

594
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Speaker 3: when new sports came up, where the nobody said anything,

595
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: nobody dug for information, you know, like what Mickey Mantle,

596
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: Whitey for Billy Martin would show up drunk at games

597
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: and no one's you know, the reporters never say anything.

598
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: They were drunk from the night before and right, and

599
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: no one would no one would write about it. And

600
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: it was the same thing with presidents and no one

601
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: would say anything. And then Watergate happened, and I think

602
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: that changed it. From the seventies of the eighties and

603
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: nineties when we grew up where it became it was

604
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Speaker 3: now it was on and.

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Speaker 4: Now you're now.

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Speaker 3: Reporters were supposed to dig and supposed to get info

607
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Speaker 3: and be critical and not trust, you know, what the

608
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Speaker 3: teams were telling you, and not trust what the government

609
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 3: was telling you. And then for some reason in the

610
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: last twenty years, it's all swung back. And I don't

611
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Speaker 3: know what started it, but it's I think teams started

612
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Speaker 3: to started to like withhold access and hold that over

613
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Speaker 3: the reporters' heads. Do you think that's the case where

614
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Speaker 3: they say, look, you start being too critical of us,

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Speaker 3: you're not we won't let you in here.

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Speaker 1: I have a theory on this, and my theory is,

617
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: and I had somebody when Major League Baseball started their

618
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Speaker 1: MLB dot com and they started hiring beat writers to

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Speaker 1: cover the teams, and that was that was to me,

620
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Speaker 1: that was the origin of it. I had somebody that

621
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Speaker 1: worked at baseball tell me that this is the future.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna because they were upset with the negative media,

623
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Speaker 1: so we'll just hire the writers and then we'll kind

624
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Speaker 1: of be able to be in control of what's said

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Speaker 1: about the team. And he said, you know, given given

626
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Speaker 1: enough time, you know, this will become the way people

627
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Speaker 1: expect to get their news about their favorite team. And

628
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Speaker 1: it's been about a generation since MLB started that, and

629
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Speaker 1: we're now at that point where people, a lot of

630
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Speaker 1: younger people younger than us, just expect everything to be

631
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Speaker 1: sugarcoated about their favorite team. And I blame the team

632
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Speaker 1: website stuff, but you are right. A lot of it

633
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Speaker 1: also is hey, if you say something we don't like,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to give access. And we talked to

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Speaker 1: TJ yesterday and TJ pointed something out also. It says

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Speaker 1: like the beat writers in his day, when he was

637
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Speaker 1: a beat writer, if the team did not make somebody available,

638
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: he would just still try to track the guy down.

639
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: He's like, well, no, my job is to talk to

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Speaker 1: that person today, not tomorrow and so. But now a

641
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: lot of the media guys are just like, whatever the

642
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: PR people tell.

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Speaker 4: Him, that's it.

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00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: They just take it.

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00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what they do. I complain about it on

646
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: Twitter all the time. They know my team. I'm a

647
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 3: Mets fan and my condolences. Yeah yeah, oh boy that ship.

648
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: The last week has been brutal and uh I I

649
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: complain about it on Twitter. The Beat writers don't dig

650
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: for any information. I mean they now they don't have

651
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Speaker 3: and I think one of the reasons is because they

652
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: don't have to sell papers anymore because they know no

653
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Speaker 3: more newspapers, so they don't part of the job of

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Speaker 3: the beat writer. When TJ. Simers is doing it well,

655
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Speaker 3: he needed to sell papers, so he needed to beat

656
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: the other guy to the story because that's what sold papers.

657
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: The paper that broke stories was the one that people bought.

658
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: And that's not the case anymore. They're no more newspapers,

659
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: and the Beat writers aren't. I'm sure they're not being pushed. Clearly,

660
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: they're not to go get stories and go find information

661
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 3: that isn't out there yet because the fans want to

662
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 3: know it, so they don't have to do that.

663
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 4: Anymore.

664
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: So they don't I mean they literally don't don't don't

665
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: look for any information. It's what you just said. They

666
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: just let the pr people give them stuff and that's it.

667
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 3: And that's not what it was supposed to be. That's

668
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: not what journalism was when I got my journalism degree.

669
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: And it's unfortunate that that's what it is, because it's

670
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: just you don't know anything anymore.

671
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 4: It's no fun.

672
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, TJ told me, he said, the thing that you

673
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: have to do now as a writer, they call it engagements,

674
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: where like they expect when people read your story. He said, like,

675
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: you're sorry about the La Times because he's still obviously

676
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: connected there with people at the Times, and they expect

677
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: certain number of engagements, like people to subscribe based on

678
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: reading Bill Plashki or somebody like that. So I don't

679
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: know how they keep track of who's actually subscribing based

680
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: on reading a column or not, but supposely that's the case.

681
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: But you mentioned you're a Mets fan. So at the

682
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: trade deadline this year, Verlander and Sure's are gone. There's

683
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: a big controversy whether or not the Mets are actually

684
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: going to try to win in twenty twenty. For what

685
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: say you, Turk as a long suffering Mets fan Stephen Cohen,

686
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: when this guy got hired as the owner, when he

687
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: bought the team, he get hired, people said, oh, this

688
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: is great, the greatest owner of all time. Blah blah

689
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. He's a Mets fan. Not

690
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: going so well right now? What's your take on Cohen

691
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 1: and the Mets.

692
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: Well, what I feel happened is it's a kind of

693
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: a three year process. In twenty twenty one, they had

694
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: the analytics department run the team and it was a

695
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 3: complete failure. And that was Cohen's he bought it team.

696
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 3: It didn't really change anything. Sandy Alderson was still in charge,

697
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: and it was Alderson's dream to have analytics do everything.

698
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 3: He's one of the fathers of analytics, going back to

699
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: the late nineties.

700
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 4: And so it failed.

701
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: So then last year they hired Buck show Walter for

702
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, and they hired some good coaches, and

703
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 3: they backed off the analytics and let the manager and

704
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: the coaches do their thing, you know, like it used

705
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 3: to be for one hundred and fifty years. And they

706
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 3: had a great year, won one hundred and one games,

707
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: they stumbled down the stretch, lost in the in the

708
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: wild card to the Padres. So then this year they

709
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 3: yet Cohen spends the big money, right, three hundred what

710
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 3: fifty three hundred and seventy million whatever it was, I

711
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: mean huge amounts of money, you know, like the Dodgers

712
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: did in the two thousands, you know when when they

713
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: got bought and they never won either. And then it

714
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: fell apart again. And it turns out that because Cohen

715
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: put the analytics department in charge again this year, and

716
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: it's been a disaster. Everyone has played worse than their

717
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: the back of their baseball card. And so, oh they

718
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 3: did the right thing. I think by selling off they

719
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 3: got a lot of good prospects. I know how you

720
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: let me let me say, do you still call prospects suspects?

721
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, yes, because turk listen, you're all excited because

722
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: everyone does the same thing that, oh, this guy's gonna

723
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: be great. You know, those guy's gonna live up to

724
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: the scouting report.

725
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 4: I've heard this for twenty plus years, folks.

726
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: And I've been right, and I've been right more times

727
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: than i've been wrong. Because you look at the trades

728
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: and you can go back, and with very few exceptions

729
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: when you trade an established start player. In fact, I

730
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: praised the Angels Turk for not trading Otani because I

731
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: don't need I'd rather see Otani for two more months

732
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: with a team. If I'm an Angels fan, then trade

733
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: him for some minor league pitchers. Gonna have Tommy John

734
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: surgery in two years and some guy that's hyped up

735
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: the fifty home runs and then ends up batting you know,

736
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: one to ninety four with limited power. I don't need that.

737
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: A great example, the Angels have a guy, Mickey Moniac

738
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: or Mania, whatever his name is, who was the number

739
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: one overall pick from the Phillies. Yes, he's an average

740
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: major league player. Yeah, three hundred this year, but he's

741
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: an average major league player.

742
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 4: He gave it below average until this year.

743
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: Actually, so you think the Mets. One of the guys

744
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: they got was Ronald is his brother, right, and he's

745
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: a shortstop. Don't you have Francisco Indoor for the next

746
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: ten years or eight years at shortstop?

747
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have him for the rest of his life.

748
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: And then even when he died, even when he dies,

749
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: he'll still be the shortstop.

750
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: He'll still it's the Bobby Benia contract. No, yeah, he's

751
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: a kunya. He'll move to second base. But actually he

752
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 3: might play next year. He might make the team next year.

753
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: The Mets are in a different situation because Erlander and

754
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 3: schurz Or were not free agents, So I don't know

755
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 3: if I was the Angels, though, the Angels must think

756
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 3: they can resign Otani, because if you if you don't

757
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: think you can resign him, you had to trade him.

758
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 3: You just had to. I mean, you're gonna get nothing

759
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 3: for him if he's sign And of course you're a

760
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 3: Dodgers fan, you're hoping he goes, you know, up up

761
00:36:59,360 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: the frequently.

762
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: No, no, not necessarily, because I will never be able

763
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: to go to another Dodger game in the press box

764
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: because it'll all be uh. Otani has twenty roughly twenty

765
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: writers and TV people that follow him around. I'm not kidding,

766
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: just a sign from Japanese media to cover him. When

767
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 1: he pitches it's it's It reminds me of a Dale nomo.

768
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: When I was covering the Dodgers back in the nineties,

769
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: they had a Dale Nomo and it was insane and

770
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: they had to have extra seats because there was so

771
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: much media from Japan. It's it's even bigger now because

772
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: Otani is the greatest player in the history of baseball

773
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: and all this, so it's insane. What's going on?

774
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't you have a name plate though?

775
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 3: I mean you've been going to games there in the yeah, you.

776
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: Know, and then I got married. I don't go. I go.

777
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: I don't go as much. I do go more now

778
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: than I did in the past. But yeah, I was

779
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: out there pretty much every night for twenty five years.

780
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: I was at every Dodger game and a lot of

781
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: Laker Clipper games things like that. Back in the but

782
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: I had no life and I had no no one

783
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: to spend time all that stuff.

784
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, see, now you have a life, so now you

785
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 4: can't go.

786
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: As much exactly. You know, he's being grown up. I

787
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: guess that's what they call it, right, And then you're so,

788
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: you're you're okay, what you like the minor league players,

789
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: you buy into the.

790
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: High Well here's the thing I'm not. I mean, look,

791
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: Sure's are I mean, look, Otani's still in his prime.

792
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 3: Sure's are and Verlander are not so. And in fact,

793
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 3: Sure's are gave up what three runs is? First inning

794
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 3: with the with Texas pitched well the rest of the way,

795
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 3: but uh, neither one of those guys is going to

796
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 3: get better next year, so I you know, that's why

797
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: I'm okay with it.

798
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 4: That what the Mets gave up was just people who

799
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 4: are free agents or forty year olds.

800
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: So well, and then it's also paid. Uh CO paid

801
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: a good amount of money, which is which is fine

802
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: with me because you know, you know, I don't I

803
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 1: live in Phoenix, so I'm not going to the game.

804
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 3: So if he wants to raise you know, he wants

805
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 3: to raise ticket prices and rices for concessions, I'm okay

806
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: with that. If he wants to recoup some of that money,

807
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: it's not my money. So you know, he did the

808
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 3: right thing. He can afford it, and more power to him.

809
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 3: He actually took his money and bought minor league prospects.

810
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: It was an interesting theory, right, instead of the Mets

811
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 3: played the Oriols this weekend and got swept, and instead

812
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: of they talked about on the broadcast. Instead of tanking

813
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 3: for four years like the Oriols, the Oriels are winning

814
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 3: fifty two games a year for like four years. Right,

815
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: they were terrible. They were losing one hundred and ten

816
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 3: games a year to get high draft picks to rebuild.

817
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: So what Cohen did instead was instead of tanking like that,

818
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 3: he's going to use his money and bought prospects. So

819
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 3: he bought first round pick prospects and instead of tanking,

820
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 3: and so we'll see if it works.

821
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you could never get away with what the

822
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: Orioles did or the Astros for years before they right

823
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: first right, and then they still had to cheat to

824
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: end up winning the World Chest.

825
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 4: So that we're on the same page on that one.

826
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right.

827
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: So we have a little time left. I know you're

828
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: in the NFL. You're a Giants fan, your family had

829
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: season tickets forever. But the Giants are an afterthought this

830
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: so far, in terms of publicity, it's all about the Jets.

831
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: That's okay.

832
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: That doesn't annoy you. You're not bothered by that. Aaron Rogers,

833
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers takes a bottel movement and it's a front

834
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: page news on the Internet. You know, you're not worried

835
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: about that. You're fine with being in the background.

836
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 4: Huh.

837
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: The Giants have always been like that, So we're fine

838
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 3: with that. I mean, the Giants have won four Super Bowls.

839
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 3: The Jets haven't haven't even been in the Super Bowl

840
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: since sixty nine, so and meanwhile the Giants have won four.

841
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 3: So we're we're very happy with Let the Jets get

842
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 3: all that publicity. The Giants are back. They have a

843
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: great coaching staff. Daniel Jones. You're gonna love this one, bet,

844
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: I know you love this. Daniel Jones is looking great

845
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 3: in training camp.

846
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, I'm sure, yeah, yeah against against two

847
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: exactly against who is he always loving guys, no dominate practice,

848
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, but let's see him in a game. It's

849
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: like it's like in Spimmer and spring training, guys would

850
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: hit a bunch of home runs in the Cactus League

851
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: and you're like, let's see, let's see what he does

852
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: at night at you know, not in that, you know,

853
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: not in the hot weather, just the normal weather, you know,

854
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: in the with a marine layer in LA or something

855
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: like that.

856
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: But yeah, they're looking good. I mean, they have a

857
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 3: really good coaching staff with with Dable and and Mike

858
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: Kafka is the the coordinator, and then they've got Wink

859
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 3: Martindale as a defensive coordinator. They had that surprise team

860
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: last year that went to the playoffs and beat the

861
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 3: Vikings in the first round. I know, so they're gonna.

862
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: Know what happens. Though, When you have that's turk. You've

863
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: been around enough. When you have a surprise season the

864
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: following year, it's the regression to the meet. So you

865
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: gotta be worried about that aggression.

866
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it as the eighties Giants where they

867
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: eighty four they came out of nowhere. It had a

868
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: nine to seven year, and then in eighty five they

869
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: got they went better, and then eighty six they won

870
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 3: it all. So that's that's the progression we're looking at here.

871
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 3: We think that that this team is going to make

872
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: the playoffs and they're going to be real solid. And

873
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 3: they got Darren Waller as a nice tight end receiver. Uh,

874
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,479
Speaker 3: you know, one of the that's what they were missing.

875
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: Theydn't have anybody good to throw to, and now they've

876
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: got They've got that. They signed a couple.

877
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: Of Is it that? Is it the people catching the

878
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: passes or is it the person throwing the pass?

879
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 3: Oh? Are you an anti Daniel Jones? Guy?

880
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a truther. I'm a Dan is what I am?

881
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: The guy's abum but.

882
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 3: It was last year was the first year he had

883
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 3: confident coaching and and he played well.

884
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: The Giants where I believe twenty fifth in passing offense

885
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: last year, Well.

886
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 3: They well, they did they well, but you know, they

887
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: rained it in and and Barkley did most of the work.

888
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 4: Say kwon Barkley.

889
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: But but is that because Brian able to not trust

890
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones.

891
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 4: At the beginning?

892
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 3: Yes, and the first yes, the first half of the

893
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 3: year correct, And but he got better and better as

894
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 3: year went on.

895
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 4: And now they're opening it up.

896
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 3: I mean, if you if you count what they're telling

897
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: us in training camp, you know what the Beat writers do,

898
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: give you stuff in training camp for football, so they

899
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: you know, and and that it seems like they're opening

900
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: it up. They they actually went out and got some

901
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 3: receivers and got Waller, who's more of a receiving receiving

902
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: tight end. He's not a blocker, so uh and he's

903
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: been dominating in practice too. So well, you know, we

904
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: we have high hopes for the Giants this year, for sure.

905
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: I got you all right, and you you've been out

906
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: of the radio business for a while, right sir, living

907
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: a normal life. What's it like living a normal life

908
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: in education.

909
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I've been teaching. Well, I've been teaching pe.

910
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: This is my seventeenth year. What yeah, Well I started.

911
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 3: I started in six while I was still working at

912
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: Fox Okay, and that's when I shifted to weekend work,

913
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 3: so I would One of my high lights of working

914
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: at Sporting News Radio is I was working seven days

915
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 3: a week because I was teaching Monday through Friday, then

916
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 3: doing eight hour shifts Saturday and Sunday for the Sporting

917
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: News Network, and.

918
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 4: So it was.

919
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: It was a lot, but I loved it and I

920
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 3: miss it. I do miss being on the air. I

921
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 3: miss working with you for sure. It was a lot

922
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: of fun, keeping us keeping ourselves awake at three am,

923
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 3: and it was. It was a lot of fun. No,

924
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 3: we had a great time. And I remember I went

925
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: when you were coaching early on at.

926
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: Very bougie school in Brentwood.

927
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 4: I believe, Yes, are we allowed to name it? Can

928
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 4: I name it?

929
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: Oh?

930
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: You don't work there anymore? Not sure? Why not? Go ahead?

931
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 4: Yes?

932
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: I worked for a school called carl Thorpe, very fancy school,

933
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: private school some some celebt they don't actually go for

934
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 3: the celebs. The other private schools in the area kind

935
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 3: of catered to the celebs. We didn't, but we've had

936
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 3: we had a few there when I was there. Ben Affleck,

937
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: Jennifer Garner. When are they still together? I've lost the connection.

938
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm pretty pretty sure they're not.

939
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 4: They're not. They're not together.

940
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: They were then and their kids were young, and so

941
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 3: they went there, and they're both very nice, by the way,

942
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 3: for the fans, and they were both very nice people.

943
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: Ben Affleck is tall man. He's six four.

944
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 4: He's a tall dude.

945
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Usually those guys in movies are very small, little

946
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: little people.

947
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't realize how, you know, they're like basketball players.

948
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 3: Sometimes you don't realize how tall they are because they

949
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 3: put them with actors and actresses who were tall, you know,

950
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: and so you don't realize how it's like basketball. They

951
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 3: all look on TV, they don't look that tall because

952
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 3: they're all the same size. But then you meet them

953
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 3: in person and they're, you know, six ' nine. I mean,

954
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 3: they're huge. But yeah, I work for I work for

955
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 3: a bougie school. Yes, it's expensive. It's a private school

956
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: in Santa Monica, So yeah, it was.

957
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: It was pr Now and now you're in Arizona where

958
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: it's one hundred and ten degrees every day of the year,

959
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: which must be make your job very easy, Turk when

960
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: you're out and you're gonna get kids to exercise when

961
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 1: it's a thousand degrees outside.

962
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 4: But it's hot, and when there's no gym.

963
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: I don't have a gymnasium. In fact, I was also

964
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 3: I taught in Vegas for six years as well before

965
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: I moved down here to Phoenix, and uh, and I

966
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 3: had no gym there either, So and it's hot in

967
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 3: Vegas too, so it's yeah, they it's hot. It's you

968
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 3: get I could say, you get used to it. You

969
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 3: just know it's there. So you're just like, Okay, this

970
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: is what it is, and you try to find shade

971
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 3: when you can. But I love it. I do miss radio.

972
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: I do miss working with folks like you who are

973
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 3: so good at it. It was always fun to work

974
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 3: with people who were good, and you're one of the best.

975
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: Well, I love you and we want you back in radio.

976
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: So if you ever want to get back, it pays

977
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: no money in the hours suck, but we'd love to

978
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: have you back at so much.

979
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: How can I refuse right with an offer like that.

980
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: It's a great offer, but but I'll let you go.

981
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Turk, you're the man. We'll have

982
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: you on again at some point. I appreciate it. Thanks man, Hey,

983
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: I loved it. Thank you so much.