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When it's time to 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: change the conversation, talk with a broker dealer r I 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: A that's ready to listen call eight six six four 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: six two three six three eight or visit Commonwealth dot 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: com to learn more. No numbers at this hour. We 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: do have New York Fed President Bill Dudley getting some 13 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: opening remarks at an economic conference. We'll see if he 14 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: makes any headline news with that. And then at ten 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: o'clock this morning, the National Association of home Builders Housing 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: Market Index their builder's confidence. We call it that's expected 17 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: to rise by a point to fifty nine. I mean 18 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: it's a jump. We get a lot of housing day 19 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: this week. It's thede. We get housing starts tomorrow, followed 20 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: by existing home sales. Uh. We're gonna have all kinds 21 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: of housing numbers. Uh this week price indexes. We end 22 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: up Friday with new homes. Do I care about the 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: Chicago Fed National Activity Index MIC? Or is this just 24 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: you know, regional people doing too much? That is on Thursday? 25 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: And it is a tertiary index. It's something that some 26 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: people follow, but it doesn't have any trading implication. Should 27 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: we bring in someone who has foresary knowledge? Stephen Stanley 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: is the TV kind of mist ad Amherst Pierpont. He 29 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: is one of the people who does follow the Chicago 30 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: Fed Index. I'm not sure what it tells him, but 31 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: we can ask him that. Good morning to you, Steve, Hey, Mike, 32 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: how are you? UM? Numbers like that, Cargo FED has 33 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: an activity index all A number of the regional FEDS 34 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: have manufacturing or economic indusseries. Uh any of them really matter? Well? Yeah, 35 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: it's a real proliferation of data that's being put out 36 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: by the Fed banks. UM. I I you know, I 37 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: think the regional manufacturing in disease are certainly UM can 38 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: be interesting at times, UM, but that you know, people 39 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: in the markets obviously are looking for correlations with the 40 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: with the national numbers them numbers, and those correlations tend 41 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 1: to be pretty spotty. But certainly, um, you know, I 42 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: I think it's worth paying attention every month just to 43 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: see what the conditions are. I mean, certainly, it feels 44 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: like the manufacturing sector is doing a little better right 45 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: now than it had been for most of last year, 46 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: and that's something that has been signaled by a few 47 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: of these regional induicries. Well, when I look at it, 48 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: I wonder if this is not Greenspan's bathtub, the old 49 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: story about how he would sit in the bathtub and 50 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: he would pour through all kinds of obscure economic indicators 51 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: and try to come up with a generalized picture. Whether 52 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: you do it in your bathtub or not. Is is 53 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: that the kind of use of an economists like you 54 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: gets out of this Well, I mean, I'm a big 55 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: believer in looking at anecdotal evidence, survey evidence, just to 56 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: get a feel, you know. I mean, I think sometimes 57 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,839 Speaker 1: the qualitative information is it can be just as good 58 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: as the quantitative stuff. Um. But at the end of 59 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: the day, there's only one reality, and they're oftentimes you know, 60 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: five to ten different measures that are really trying to 61 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: get at the same thing. Um So, you know, I 62 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: think the market sometimes tend to react over and over 63 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: and over again to what's essentially the same information. Tom, 64 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: We've got some headlines from Bill Dudley now he's speaking 65 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: in an economic conference. He says Steve Stanley is a 66 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: really good guy. He says economic news for the US 67 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: is mostly favorable and labor market conditions have significantly improved. 68 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: He is confident inflation we returned to in the next years. 69 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: Whatever that means. Yeah, well that's inflation to I guess 70 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: in the next years. That was a great movie. Um 71 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: C Stanley. When I look at this in your caution 72 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: and they're a good call. What is the setup that 73 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: that means that we'll get back to two percent economic growth? 74 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: Surret Comar really pushed against that this morning. Are we 75 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: assured of a better second, third, and fourth quarter economy? Well, certainly, 76 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: no guarantees, but I do think that the fundamentals due 77 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: point to doing better over the course of the year. 78 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: I think a couple of things that are pushing you 79 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: down in the first quarter. One is that we're going 80 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: through an inventory correction, and I think we're probably closer 81 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: to the end of that than the beginning. So I 82 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: think inventories have been a drag recently and that's likely 83 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: uh to to not be the case of the balance 84 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: of the year. UM. I think that the intensity of 85 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: the drag from the oil and gas sector is likely 86 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: to weigh and going forward simply because we've just you know, 87 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: we've gotten close to what I think is going to 88 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: be a bottom in terms of production. That the rate 89 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: of production is very low right now. And then I 90 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: think if you look at the underlying fundamentals for the consumer, um, 91 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: there's still very good I mean, the labor market is 92 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: driving solid income growth balance, it's a very clean savings 93 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: rates have moved up, so households have a lot of 94 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: dry powder. UM. So I do think consumer spending is 95 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: going to accelerate after what's shaping up to be kind 96 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: of a subpar first quarter. You mentioned near bottom in oil. 97 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: As oil prices fall again today, you wonder are we 98 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: near an end in the negative effects of low oil 99 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: prices the decline in investment. Do we see lower oil 100 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: prices now maybe contributing as consumers pay less for energy? Well, 101 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,119 Speaker 1: I mean, that's an interesting question. Everybody has talked about 102 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: how um oil is supposed to be. You know, lower 103 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: oil prices supposed to be a positive for the economy, 104 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: and it seems like it hasn't been. I think, Um, 105 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: I think maybe the benefits have been underappreciated. If you 106 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: look at real consumer spending over the last couple of years, 107 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: we've basically averaged three and this is in a world 108 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: where potential growth is probably not any better than one 109 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: and a half. So not all of that is a 110 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: function of the drop and energy cost, but I think 111 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: certainly some of it has been so um. I think 112 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: the the and this is the case with a lot 113 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: of things that hit the economy, but the negatives are 114 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: very concentrated and very easy to see, and sometimes the 115 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: positives are so dispersed that you can't see them. Let 116 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: me ask this question, Steve. I've been embarrassed to ask it, 117 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: so I'll try it and flog you with This is 118 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: April a live meeting? Can I tell you, Steve, how 119 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: much I hate that language? Is April live meeting? Well, 120 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: technically yes, in the sense that the FED wants to 121 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: always have the ability to move or not move. But 122 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: I think practically now, um, you know, and and several 123 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: of them have said that recently in in some ways, 124 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: the first the early part of the year shaping up 125 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: like the first part of last year. I mean, first 126 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: Court of GDP is going to be softened, just as 127 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: they did last year. They want to wait. Awhile, let's 128 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: come back see Stanley Amer's pierpoint. Folks, We welcome you 129 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg Surveillance Home of the Dead meeting. This hour 130 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: of surveillance is brought to you by Westchester Subaru is 131 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: at Westchester Subaru dot com. Here's like a bar with 132 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: the latest world in national headlines. Mike Tom, thank you 133 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: very much. Millions of people who are living in the 134 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: US illegally could ultimately be affected by a case being 135 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: argued before the Supreme Court today. It pits the Obama 136 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: administration against twenty six Republican dominated states led by Texas. 137 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: At issue are two programs now on hold to shield 138 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: roughly four million people from deportation and make them eligible 139 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: to work in the US. The earth continues to shake 140 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: an Ecuador, following the devastating seven point eight magnitude quake 141 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: that killed at least two hundred seventy two people over 142 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: the weekend. Meanwhile, rescuers continue to pick through the rubble. 143 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: After two earthquakes in Japan killed forty two people. Police 144 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,679 Speaker 1: in London are looking for the person responsible for flying 145 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: a drone into a British Airways flight as it was 146 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: landing at Heathrow Airport yesterday. The plane with one hut 147 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: two passengers, landed safely, but the incident has brought attention 148 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: from aviation officials, former marine fighter pilots and aviation consultants. 149 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: Steve Ganiard common sense prevails here. Why would you fly 150 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: a metal and plastic aircraft in the flight path of 151 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: a large aircraft with hundreds of people on board that's 152 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: taking off for landing. Global News twenty four hours a day, 153 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: powered by our twenty four hundred journalists and more than 154 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: a hundred s fifty news bureaus from around the world. 155 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: Mike Labarn, Tom, thank you my full time now for 156 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg NBC Sports update. Here's Troup Bush. Hey, a morning, 157 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: Mike and Tom. Nothing like the NHL Playoffs, the parody, 158 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: the excitement. It was on display at Parclay Center as 159 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: the Islanders beat the Panthers four to three in overtime 160 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: on a Thomas Hicky goal to take a two one 161 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: series lead and despite falling behind, do nothing. Islander's netminder 162 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: Thomas Grice says one word describes his team. It's resiliency. 163 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: I think they're a team has a little confidence in 164 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: each other and like, we know a whole good if 165 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: we can play and hope what we can do, and 166 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: you know, you able to give up and just battle, 167 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: talking on the game in the end. Game three will 168 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: be Wednesday night in Brooklyn. Rangers the host of Penguins 169 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, with that series time at one on the Diamond. 170 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: A great day for both local starting pitchers. Massa Hero 171 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: Tanaka fans six over seven innings with no watts as 172 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: the Yankees beat Seattle four to three to avoid a 173 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: sweep at the stadium, and more importantly impressed Joe Girardi 174 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: because his arm is getting stronger. But you know, for 175 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: the starters, it's you'd like to say that you could 176 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: have them built up to where they're supposed to be 177 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: by game one, but I think you risk working them 178 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: too hard in spring training and understanding that it's a 179 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: long season. You you know, they sort of pace themselves. 180 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: But it's the best game he's pitched all season, and 181 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: he really could have thrown a shut out and it's 182 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: also the first win of the year for Tanaka. Yankees 183 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: are idle today, Mets, they'd beat Corey Clover and the 184 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: Tribe six nothing in even manager Terry Collins on a 185 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: great out and turned in by Steven Matts. We need 186 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: to get Steven going and pitch great. Today shows you 187 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: what he can do when he commands. Commands his pitches 188 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: and chain speeds like we've seen him doing the past, 189 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: and he was outstanding. Matt's also picking up his first 190 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: one of the year. He struck out nine and seven 191 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: innings the Mats. They visit Philly at seven o'clock. Noah 192 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: Sinder Guards on the bump and NBA Playoff Spurs, Calves, 193 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: Clippers Miami all winners in game one of their series. 194 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: At your NBC Bloomberg Sports Update, Mike and Tom rob Bushka, 195 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Appreciate that this is wonderful news. 196 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: Mike and I uh see the bodies move around Wall Street, 197 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: Caleum Henderson, Michael McKee will join Ian Bremer's Eurasier group. 198 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: That is inspired choice. He is for years with Bank 199 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: of America and it was standard charter. He will run 200 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: all of their global markets research platform from Washington. 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Oil falling after 214 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: output talks Sunday between the world's biggest producers ended without 215 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: any agreement on limiting supplies, a diplomatic failure that threatens 216 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: to renew the route in prices, Nimex crude oils down 217 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: three point six per center at dollar forty five to 218 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: thirty eight ninety barrel U s dock indise future is 219 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: also lower, A U S and p even A futures 220 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: down seven points, dowie Many futures down forty seven and 221 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: nazdak eveny futures down thirteen. The decks in Germany's down 222 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: to tenths percent. Ten year treasury down three thirty seconds, 223 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: the yield one point seven six percent. Comes Gold up 224 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: six tenths percent or six dollars eighty cents at twelve 225 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: forty one forty announced the Euro at all our thirteen twelve, 226 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: the yen one oh eight point six eight. Morgan Stanley 227 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: reporting first quarter profit that bead Wall Street estimates as 228 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: the firm cut costs and revenue from trading stocks and 229 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: bonds declined and less than some analysts predicted. Pitch shares 230 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: up two and a half percent. That's a Bloomberg business flash, 231 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: Tom and Mike Karen, thank you so much. It is 232 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: on a Monday on Wall Street. The following is from 233 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: Bloomberg View. Opinions and commentary from Bloomberg columnists. I'm Frank Barry, 234 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: an editor with Bloomberg View. Last week, Bernie Sanders brought 235 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: his political revolution to Greenwich Village, which has deep ties 236 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: to radicalism. The revolutions have a way of fading. Ken 237 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: Sanders's last to under that question. The next time he's 238 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: in the village, he may want to visit the Cedar 239 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: Tavern where beat poets and abstract painters drank. It's now 240 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: a European wax center that maybe one European institution Bernie 241 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: could do without. Sanders could head over to thirty six 242 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: Grove Street and a Goldman's last residence before she was 243 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: deported to the Soviet Union in nineteen nineteen, but the 244 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: owners were asking forty thousand dollars a month and rent 245 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: in two thousand and twelve, not exactly working class. He 246 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: might want to see the Youth International Party headquarters or 247 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: yippies developed anarchist plots, but it closed in two thousand 248 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: fourteen after a mortgage foreclosure. Maybe Sanders is best bet 249 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: as the KGB bar. I asked the bartender there if 250 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: anyone would be coming over from the rally. I don't know, 251 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: maybe probably, he said. In the village, as in campaigns, 252 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: revolutions are hard to ignite, harder to win, and hardest 253 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: of all to sustain. I'm Frank Barry, editor with Bloomberg View. 254 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: For more Bloomberg opinion and commentary, please go to Bloomberg 255 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: View dot com or Bloomberg go on the Bloomberg terminal. 256 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: This has been Bloomberg View. Bloomberg View commentaries can be 257 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: heard hourly weekdays on Bloomberg Radio. Steve Stanley is whether 258 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: he is the chief Economist, and Amherst, Pierre Pont and Tom. 259 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: There are very few occasions, um, when people make as 260 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: dramatic a change in their forecast as Steve in the 261 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: last week under the headline if you can't beat them, 262 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: join them. You have decided that the Fed is going 263 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: to be as cautious and as slow moving as a 264 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: lot of people had suggested. But you didn't believe. Yeah, well, 265 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: you know, I'm pretty stubborn. I suppose sometimes. But even 266 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: even I could read the tea leaves after janet yelling 267 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: speech about them? What was it about a month ago? Now? UM, 268 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: I think you know my I guess where I depart 269 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: from the consensus most dramatically is I do think inflation 270 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: is going to accelerate quite a bit faster and sooner 271 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: than people think. I think we'll be at our above 272 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: two UM year over year inflation by the end of 273 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: the year, both headline and core, and I thought that 274 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: would get the FED moving. But um, obviously, even as 275 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: we've had a little bit of upward movement and inflation 276 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: earlier this year, clearly hasn't gotten FED motivated just yet. 277 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: Why do you think we're going to get that kind 278 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: of inflation? The latest CPI was a little calmer than 279 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: the prior to Yeah, I thought the March um core 280 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: CPI number was really was kind of a giveback from 281 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: January and February. I mean those back to back point threes. Um, 282 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: there was a little bit more than, you know, than 283 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: than what you could justify in terms of the underlying 284 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: trend and those and I think you look at the 285 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: three months together is probably the best way to look 286 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: at that. But I think going forward, I would say 287 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: that we're, um, you know, we're starting to see an 288 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: acceleration in a lot of the broad service categories, and 289 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: I think that makes sense with the labor market getting tight. Um. Obviously, 290 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: energy prices have have been more stable of late, and 291 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: I think the drag on that on the headline numbers 292 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: from energy or is gonna wane as a year progresses 293 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: and I also think the drag which is fed through 294 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: into the core as well from the appreciating dollars likely 295 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: uh to diminish going forward. The most intense period of 296 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: dollar appreciation was in the second half of two thousand 297 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: and fourteen, so that's likely fading by now. Well, is 298 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: someone who had to wait to your tone a year 299 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: and a half two years ago? Is the real tone now? 300 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: Just range bound and central banks under huge pressure to 301 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: do something where the headline is they won't basically do nothing. Well, 302 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: I think that you're right that there's just a tremendous 303 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: amount of pressure on these guys to do something. I mean, 304 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: the the world has still not fully come to grips 305 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: with the concept that that we've discussed a lot, which 306 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: is that the underlying pace of potential growth has slowed 307 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: a lot. So, you know, one and a half maybe 308 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: is as good as we can realistically expect to do 309 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: here in the US in terms of real GDP, But 310 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: it still doesn't feel good and it's not something that 311 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: people are willing to, uh, you know, to to have 312 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: really go along with. And I think that's why you're 313 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of the um the dissatisfaction that you're 314 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: seeing on the political front this year. UM. And and 315 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: so there is pressure on the FET to do something 316 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: even though there's really not a lot the FT can do. UM. 317 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: You know, to extent that we're already pretty close to 318 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: full employment. UM. You know, if the FIT continues to 319 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: push and push, then then we are going to end 320 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: up getting inflation. Do you subscribe to Would you make 321 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: the argument that the global economy of the US economy 322 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: would be better off its interest rates were higher. Um. 323 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd say that. I mean, I 324 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: think you could make a case for that. Um. And 325 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people view it as kind 326 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: of a zero sum game in the sense that when 327 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: rates are low, savers are hurt. And and you know, 328 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: some people look at it from the side of borrowers 329 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: and other people look at it from the side of savers. 330 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I think all lt equal UM, lower interest 331 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: rates are more stimulative than higher interest rates. So I'm 332 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: not sure that raising rates would actually help the economy. 333 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: I do think in this case, if the FED were 334 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: to move forward a little bit and start to get 335 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: into a normalization process, you would get some benefit in 336 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: the sense that people could then look and say, oh, well, 337 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: I guess things must be getting better. UM. But I 338 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: don't think the FETs to just raise rates for the 339 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: sake of of raising them. They certainly want to make 340 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: sure that, um, that the steps that they take are 341 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: are well justified. I mean, if we look at sort 342 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: of the churns through this y the year, I think 343 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: what is fascinating is the idea of getting real data 344 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: in and then FED action. I'm not hearing from you 345 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: that we'll get enough of an umph to get FED action. 346 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: Where does it come from the jobs? Certainly not in 347 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: the near term. I think you know, obviously, as we've 348 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 1: discussed before first courter, GDP hasn't been great. Um. I 349 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: think you know, the labor market data has been terrific 350 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: and and that's been the case for a long time. Uh, 351 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: and I think that's likely to continue. I do think 352 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: we'll get better growth as the year progressist. But again, 353 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I think at the end of the day, 354 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: the thing that can get the FED motivated is inflation, 355 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: and we haven't seen that yet. Until we do, UM, 356 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: you know, I think the FED is likely to be 357 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: very cautious. But if inflation moves at or above two UM, 358 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: then I think their attitude has to change a little bit. Well, 359 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: of course, the standard explanation for a recession is the 360 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: FED titans too much and then the economy slows down. 361 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: How far away uh is that these days? In I asked, 362 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: because if the FED has to move more quickly if 363 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: inflation shows up, how much room do they have? Well, 364 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I think there's still a lot 365 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: of headroom in the economy when we took a tremendous 366 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: hit during the crisis, and you know, you take housing 367 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: for example. Housing is a sector that's very cyclical and 368 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: and very often when you do move into recession, housing 369 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: can be a leader of that because housing is most 370 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: sensitive to rate. So when the Fed titans, housing sometimes 371 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: bears the brunt. Well, there's a lot of headrooms in 372 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: the housing sector because we lost so much activity during 373 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: the crisis. Um. So that's one example. I think. You know, 374 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: there really hasn't been a huge push in terms of 375 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: business investment throughout this expansion, So there's not a lot 376 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: of places where you would look and say there's over 377 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: capacity or you know, places where the economy is set 378 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: up to take a fall. Ain't the one place where 379 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: you you kind of want to worry about imbalances in 380 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: the financial markets. And that's kind of the ironic thing, 381 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: as if that is pushing, pushing, pushing for easier financial conditions. 382 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: But at some point, you know, as we saw in 383 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: the last cycle, um, when financial conditions get too easy, 384 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: it can kind of perversionally lead to uh, to the 385 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,479 Speaker 1: sort of imbalances that ultimately take you down. Steven Stanley, 386 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: thank you so much with amors here, But Mike, just fascinating, 387 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: and you know, it's not a counterfacture. We're looking forward, 388 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: but the idea of we getting such a suit nothing happens. 389 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we've been so active since August of votes seven, 390 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: the idea that the nothing there to work off, pushing 391 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: on a string as it were. And there are a 392 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: lot of people who are making the argument that we 393 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: would be better off if the FED would range rates 394 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: and and and if a lot of central banks would 395 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: stop adding to stimulus. Would you agree with me that 396 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: the housing data, which used to be a huge deal, 397 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: is a percentage GDP is so low. I mean, obviously 398 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: it's the news and we're going to cover it, but 399 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: it's not fed changing anymore. No, it's not fat changing. 400 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: It is important to the economy, as are things like 401 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: auto sales soon, but both have become so much smaller 402 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: parts of the economy that they don't influence the whole thing. Unreal. 403 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: Let's do data check on a Monday assuring the future 404 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: is flat. Well, excuse me, negative eight, I stand correct 405 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: with negative eight down futures negative fifty five? No, VICTI 406 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: hat I've got a fourteen point four three statistic on 407 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: the VIX closing on Friday the seventeen thousand nine, rounding up, 408 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: Mike the sp five three thousand, rounding up. No, I 409 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: got that wrong two thousand eighty. Maybe you rounded up 410 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: to that's a bit of a reach, have a bit 411 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: of a reach. Uh tenure yield one point seven seven 412 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: percent is reversed. We're in two basis points risk on field. Now, 413 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: that's important. Yield reversal, higher yields, lower note prices, Oil 414 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: down a dollar sixty five, Brent down a dollar seventy 415 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: eight seventy, and brent for thirty six. Stay with us. 416 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: Coming up more with Bloomberg's surveillance