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Speaker 1: The narrative, the commentary of now even elected officials that

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Speaker 1: You have New York City Mayor Eric Adams on fake

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Speaker 1: News CNN this morning saying that race played a major

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Speaker 1: And you have over at fake News, CNN's Van Jones

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Speaker 1: believe that their lives could be in danger. But the

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Speaker 1: truth of the matter is their lives are in danger

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Speaker 1: already with them not telling because someone can shoot through

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Speaker 1: their window at night. Well that Giana, it even goes

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Speaker 1: deeper than that. The cops that they don't feel like

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Speaker 1: they're going to be defended if they go to do

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Speaker 1: their job, and when they probably should be turning left

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Speaker 1: to protecting us some people and serve their community, they're

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Speaker 1: turning right on purpose. That's true too, That's very, very

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Speaker 1: very true. So they want to stay out of the

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Speaker 1: way of what could potentially happen to them, especially with

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Speaker 1: you have a mayor who's willing to throw you under

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Speaker 1: the bus just to save her own high So yeah,

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Speaker 1: those are a bunch of different considerations that people have

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Speaker 1: to think about. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: you've become a police officer, so you can serve and

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Speaker 1: protect and that's what people should want. So the elected

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Speaker 1: officials have to stop making it hard for those who

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Speaker 1: are in the job for the right reason, who want

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Speaker 1: to serve and protect, who are honorable, which I would

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Speaker 1: argue is the majority of those who sware the oath

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Speaker 1: of office, of the oath or the badge. They need

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Speaker 1: to get out of the way, so these police officers

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Speaker 1: can do their job and make sure that they have

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Speaker 1: the proper training needed. But let me ask all three

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Speaker 1: of you, would would the reaction nationwide have been different

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Speaker 1: if the officers in this case or of another race.

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Speaker 1: Ty No, I mean, the bottom line is, um, it's

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Speaker 1: as bad as it as it exists in behavior in

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Speaker 1: itself is really bad. But I do think that the

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Speaker 1: that the race vaders, like your al Shafts and those

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Speaker 1: kind of guys, they would jump out there if this

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Speaker 1: would if he were white officers doing this, they would

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Speaker 1: have wrapped this up. You would have Black lives matter.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I did ask Congress back in

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Speaker 1: back in July to create investigations to acting launch against again,

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Speaker 1: investigations into the George Floor Ryan, and nobody has chosen

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Speaker 1: to take that direction, so we can actually get up

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Speaker 1: make sure if this doesn't happen again. But yeah, if

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Speaker 1: it was white officers involved in black officers, that would

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Speaker 1: be amplified to make it look like more of a

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Speaker 1: race issue than and they're trying to do it now,

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Speaker 1: but they don't go go nowhere. They would absolutely if

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Speaker 1: it was white officers, and that's only because of the

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Speaker 1: late Baders that a user social media to wrap that

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Speaker 1: message up right off. Final moments with Sam Digby, Trey

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Speaker 1: Penny and Gianno Colwell, I'm trying to understand, Sam, how

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Speaker 1: is it? Why were these officers so jacked up and

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Speaker 1: so pissed off and so angry and frankly lacking in

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Speaker 1: all professionalism that I would expect from a police officer. Well, Sean,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's face it, our police officers come from

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Speaker 1: our communities. A lot of people, I'm not gonna say

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Speaker 1: a lot, but they're some They go into this profession

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Speaker 1: for the wrong reason, unfortunately, and we had to be

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Speaker 1: very careful that we're not creating an environment which is

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Speaker 1: discouraging the good people from wanting to serve, because, make

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Speaker 1: no mistake, police department's gonna have to hire somebody and

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Speaker 1: if all of a sudden we create an environment with

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Speaker 1: the good people, the good men and women who would

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Speaker 1: be good for this profession are choosing other professions because

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Speaker 1: of what's happening. That leads a joke delers, gang bangers

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Speaker 1: in the street, good ones you know to pick from,

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Speaker 1: and you know, begg you look, you have a situation

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Speaker 1: where this one's steal up your ranks and we can't

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Speaker 1: have that. We cannot have that, so you know we

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Speaker 1: have to do a better. Well, I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 1: People ask me all the time. Young people will ask

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Speaker 1: me about, you know, pursuing a passion or a career,

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Speaker 1: and I'll ask them what they're interested in, and if

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Speaker 1: they mentioned policing or law enforcement, I'm like, well, where

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Speaker 1: do you want to work, because being a police officer

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Speaker 1: you really do get to do your job. In other states,

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Speaker 1: like the state of Florida, you can do real policing.

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Speaker 1: I know cops down there, they're allowed to do their

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Speaker 1: job and they do it with great courage and professionalism.

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Speaker 1: And yet if somebody asked me if they want to

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Speaker 1: join the NYPD or the Chicago Police Force, I tell

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Speaker 1: them to go run a country mile before they even

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Speaker 1: think about it. Am I Am I wrong? Am I Gianno?

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Speaker 1: You lost your brother? Am I wrong? No? I don't

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Speaker 1: think that you are rock shot. I mean, at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, when you're talking about what profession

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Speaker 1: was the golden at any given times, it's been law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: To be a police officer growing up was actually a

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Speaker 1: dream of mine when I was a young man, and

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Speaker 1: then it became politics and a bunch of other things.

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Speaker 1: But I think that there are reforms that have to

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Speaker 1: take place in order for the integrity the thoughts around

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Speaker 1: law enforcement we can get back to what they were.

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Speaker 1: I understand that there's a lot of things that need

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Speaker 1: to change at this particular time. There are considerations to

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Speaker 1: be had, but those things can happen if we can

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Speaker 1: unite and comfy as a country versus dividing around racial

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Speaker 1: and political lines. Can I add this to you. I

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Speaker 1: want to add this. We brought up New York. I

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Speaker 1: will say that the citizens in New York they need

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Speaker 1: police as well. And these are police that are come

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Speaker 1: from a community that are going to understand these communities.

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Speaker 1: My such, by the way, New York is a majority

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Speaker 1: minority police force, as are many police forces now across

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Speaker 1: the country, and you need officers that want to that

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Speaker 1: want to come in the healthy community. So I'm going

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Speaker 1: to encourage every young man, every person that listens to

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Speaker 1: every young man, every young woman that listens to this

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Speaker 1: radio station, please consider joining law enforce that don't allow

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Speaker 1: allow these situations to deter you going into this profession,

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Speaker 1: because these communities lead you. I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: could give that advice in certain cities. I really don't tray.

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Speaker 1: And you know how much I love law enforcement and

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Speaker 1: I have a family full of law enforcement. But things

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Speaker 1: have changed and changed dramatically. And I'm not saying that

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Speaker 1: there weren't bad apples back in the day either. There's

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Speaker 1: bad apples. And every profession I mentioned mine profession, Sam

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Speaker 1: will give you the last word. Well, I just want

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Speaker 1: to say that for all them hard working men and

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Speaker 1: women out there in uniform, you know, keep up the

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Speaker 1: good work. You know, we need you. For those young

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Speaker 1: people out there that's considering joining law enforcement, we need

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Speaker 1: you as well. And I agree with you Sean. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in law enforcement, depending on what's part of the country

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Speaker 1: and it's localized, and some areas you're able to do more,

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Speaker 1: some marriage you're able to do less. But regardless, you know,

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Speaker 1: we have to adapt to just and overcome to the

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Speaker 1: areas in which we serve, because you cannot police a

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Speaker 1: community that does not want to be policed. Well said,

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Speaker 1: and that was my point. You know, if a community

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Speaker 1: does not want to be police, if a city doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to be policed, if it's leadership doesn't want real policing,

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Speaker 1: that's probably not the place to do to try and

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Speaker 1: do that job because you're not gonna have support. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: all of you, Sam Digby, thank you, Trey Penny, thank you,

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Speaker 1: Gianno Caldwell, thank you, thank you all. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred and ninety four one Sean our number you

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Speaker 1: want to be a part of the program, will get

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