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Speaker 1: This is twenty four, a weekly highlight reel from the

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show featuring all things election coverage.

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Speaker 2: Let's get started. Here are Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 3: We have been talking about the big news of Kamala

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Speaker 3: Harris's vice presidential pick, Tim Walltz. News broke a shock

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Speaker 3: to a lot of people, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: after that Shapiro video promoting Shapiro and Harris on a

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Speaker 3: ticket was leaked, and after all the talk about Rocketman

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Speaker 3: Mark Kelly and the possibilities there.

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Speaker 4: And even Basher.

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Speaker 3: Even Basher I think was an interesting possibility for them,

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Speaker 3: A you know, presentable and articulate democrat from a red state.

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Speaker 3: Still don't know what can talk? I mean, Clay and

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Speaker 3: I talked about this all the time, and I think

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Speaker 3: it hits home more for Clay than me because he's

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Speaker 3: right next door Kentucky.

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Speaker 4: What is going on with this?

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Speaker 3: Sheer guy? What are you doing with this? The mass Democrats?

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Speaker 3: It's silly, It's just silly. But jd Vance is now

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Speaker 3: the opponent of Tim Waltz. I assume there'll be a

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Speaker 3: vice presidential debate. Have we seen any headlines about this

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Speaker 3: one yet? I think that that is going to have

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Speaker 3: to be scheduled. I mean that seemed I say, I

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Speaker 3: assume because given the ninety days until election day, you

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Speaker 3: know the timelines here. We've never seen this before. Everything

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Speaker 3: is different now. What is traditional isn't necessarily what will

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Speaker 3: happen given what we have seen. But jd Vance knows

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Speaker 3: that Tim Waltz is a progressive, a leftist, a socialist,

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Speaker 3: a guy who all of the policies.

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Speaker 4: That we rail against regularly on this show.

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Speaker 3: I think it's fair to say Tim Waltz is a

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Speaker 3: supporter of them, whether it's the most extreme pro abortion

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Speaker 3: position to the most extreme pro criminal BLM worshiping position.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you go down the list. I can't think

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Speaker 3: of anything that I've seen that this guy stands for

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Speaker 3: Clay when it comes to making a decision for or

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Speaker 3: against where I go.

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Speaker 4: Okay, at least he got that one right.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: This is like with Fetterman. I don't agree with Federman

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Speaker 3: I think he's sound on Israel, and he's even said

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Speaker 3: some intelligent stuff about the border too. At least he

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Speaker 3: got that one right. I haven't seen anything from Walls

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Speaker 3: left wing progressive, and Jade Vance certainly sees it too.

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Speaker 3: This is cut thirty one. Here he is just laying

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing about Tim falls.

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Speaker 6: Look, Tim Walls is a guy who wants to take

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Speaker 6: children away from their parents if the parents don't agree

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Speaker 6: to do sex changes and the school wants too. That's crazy, right,

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Speaker 6: a fundamental violation prinal rights. This is a guy who

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Speaker 6: win rioter we're burning down the biggest city in Minnesota,

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Speaker 6: was actively cheering them on. You think the black business

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Speaker 6: leaders in Minneapolis are grateful, the working class business leaders

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Speaker 6: are grateful that Tim Waltz allowed rioters to burn down

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Speaker 6: their businesses. You think that people are grateful to have

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Speaker 6: a guy who wants to ship manufacturing jobs off to China.

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Speaker 6: There's no way the American people are going to buy it.

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Speaker 6: It just doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 4: I think that's right. I don't think he's overstating it.

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Speaker 3: I think Tim Wats is a huge swing in Amiss

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Speaker 3: for the Democrat ticket.

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Speaker 2: No doubt.

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Speaker 5: And also I think we have another jd Vance clip

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Speaker 5: where he says on the airplane right after it was

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Speaker 5: announced that this is them doubling down on the BLM.

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Speaker 2: Riots of twenty twenty. This, to me, Buck is when.

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Speaker 5: I immediately think Minnesota, I think, sorry, sorry for everybody

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Speaker 5: in Minnesota. Man, they never win anything in sports.

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Speaker 2: That's my first thought.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Minneapolis listeners, how dare you?

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Speaker 2: I hate?

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Speaker 5: They know what I'm talking about. They haven't won a

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Speaker 5: title since the Twins. They have four different big teams.

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Speaker 3: I just I object. I'm off in my corner here,

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Speaker 3: Clay's gone rogue.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: That's the first thing I think about when I think

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Speaker 5: about Minnesota. Oh, they have a lot of teams and

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Speaker 5: they always lose. Second thing that I think is unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: and this is more serious. I think about the Minneapolis

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Speaker 5: to police precincts being burned down, that led to a

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Speaker 5: quit because the State of Minnesota did not have their back.

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Speaker 5: This is the guy who was in charge. Then this

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Speaker 5: is the guy that you want to who double down

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Speaker 5: on Listen to cut thirty one. Is that the cut

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Speaker 5: we just played? Maybe that's the cut we just played.

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Speaker 5: There's more than one. Twenty eight twenty eight is jd

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Speaker 5: Vance on the plane directly addressing this, which I think

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Speaker 5: for a lot of people is what they think about

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Speaker 5: when they hear Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: It just highlights how radical Kamala Harris is.

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Speaker 7: This is a person who listened to the Hamas wing

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Speaker 7: of her own party and selecting a nominee.

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Speaker 2: This is a guy.

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Speaker 7: Who's proposed shipping more manufacturing jobs to China, who wants

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Speaker 7: to make the American people more reliant on garbage energy

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Speaker 7: instead of good American energy, and has proposed defunding the police,

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Speaker 7: just as Kamala Harris does. I think it's interesting, Actually

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Speaker 7: they make an interesting tag team because of course Tim

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Speaker 7: Waltz allowed riders to burn down Minneapolis in the summer

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Speaker 7: Kamala Harris helped failed them out of jail. So it

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Speaker 7: is more instructive for what it says about Kamala Harris

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Speaker 7: that she doesn't care about the border, she doesn't care

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Speaker 7: about crime, she doesn't care about American energy and most importantly,

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Speaker 5: That is a really good tour to force there. I

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Speaker 5: love the idea of this is the tag team that

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Speaker 5: believed that Minneapolis should burn and that if it did burn,

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Speaker 5: the people who were doing the burning should get bailed out.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a great line. I think it connects.

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Speaker 5: I actually think it really hurts in the Midwest, which

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Speaker 5: is where people are going to be making these decisions.

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Speaker 5: This is I think a devastating own goal by Kamala

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Speaker 3: Objectively, to the degree that anything in politics can be objective.

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Speaker 3: If you are a moderate, if you are an undecided voter,

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Speaker 3: the Kamala Harris Waltz ticket should be kryptonite to you.

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Speaker 3: There there is nothing moderate about either one of these

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Speaker 3: His longevity in politics have meant that he had taken

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Speaker 3: right idea, like when you've been yes, and he was

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Speaker 3: part of the Democrat Party transforming from a well, I

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Speaker 3: mean from being a center left party to being a

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Speaker 3: that whole process. So he could always point to, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: you know back in the eighties when Democrats like didn't

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Speaker 3: all hate America. You know, this is what I said,

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Speaker 3: He was able to have it both ways because he

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Speaker 3: had been in the game so long that he had taken,

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Speaker 3: you know, every position Democrats had ever taken on everything.

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Speaker 4: With Kamala and Waltz or Harris and Waltz.

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Speaker 3: Don't want to just call it. I think what's wrong

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Speaker 3: with Colin vin first name, With Harrison Walls. There is

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Speaker 3: no ground, there's no ability to make a moderate argument.

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Speaker 3: They are not moderates. There's nothing about them that's modern.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing about them that points to this. And even

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Speaker 3: when people talk about Cop Kamala and how she was

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Speaker 3: hard on crime in San Francisco, that's not true. It's

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Speaker 3: not even accurate for a period of time. It may

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Speaker 3: have been politically advantageous to her as DA to crack

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Speaker 3: on all that as state Attorney General and was one

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Speaker 3: of the people pushing for you can steal up to

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Speaker 3: nine hundred dollars, which effectively means you can steal whatever

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Speaker 3: you want, because guess what, they're not scanning and counting

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Speaker 3: whether something adds up to nine hundred dollars when you

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Speaker 3: fill your arms full of stuff at a Nieman Marcus,

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying like this is that there

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Speaker 3: is no moderate argument for the The media is just

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Speaker 3: going to have.

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Speaker 4: To lie and lie and lie and lie.

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Speaker 3: It is impossible to claim this is a moderate Democrat

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Speaker 3: ticket in any stretch of the imagination, which is again

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Speaker 3: why Shapiro would Shapiro was less communist, Mark.

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Speaker 2: Kelly, I mean, this was a disaster pick. Yesterday.

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Speaker 5: I was not optimistic because I thought Kamala is going

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Speaker 5: to get a VP bounce, She's gonna pick Shapiro, and

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Speaker 5: then they're going to roll into the convention and by

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Speaker 5: September she's going by Labor Day, she's going to have

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Speaker 5: It's the opposite of a bounce, whatever recession, whatever the

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Speaker 5: tell you, they got to clip this. The Trump team

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Speaker 5: does that line. They make an interesting tag team because

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Speaker 5: Tim Waltz allowed rioters to burn down Minneapolis in the

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Speaker 5: Scott Wagner, smart guy, texted me earlier today that they

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Speaker 5: should have ads saying make America burn again, Kamala Waltz

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Speaker 5: because to me, again leaving aside my maybe a bit

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Speaker 5: unfair attack on Minneapolis never winning anything in sports, when

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Speaker 5: I think about Minnesota, I think about the failure of

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people out there think the

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Speaker 5: same thing. This is something to lean in on.

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Speaker 3: I mean, next time you're gonna go fishing for some

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Speaker 3: muskies and some walleye, you better stay out of the

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Speaker 3: Land of ten Thousand Lakes, mister Clay Travis.

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Speaker 5: I think there's a huge percentage of Minnesota's listening to

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Speaker 5: us right now. When I said that, they dropped their

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Speaker 4: Fight on it.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're just like basketball fans in New York. You're

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Speaker 3: just you just had to be like the next of

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Speaker 3: the worst. I've just got a franchise of the last

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Speaker 3: thirty years. It's just true. You just gotta take it.

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Speaker 3: I mean the Twins.

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Speaker 5: The Twins lost like seven hundred and sixty four consecutive games.

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Speaker 4: And Captain wampwomp over here with the sports now too.

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Speaker 5: I just know the is inevitably shank a field goal

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Speaker 5: anytime they have a chance to win something that matters. Buck,

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Speaker 5: that's a great stat you know. I'm sorry for Martin

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Speaker 5: Anderson out there. I believe it was Morton Anderson. Guy

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Speaker 5: didn't miss a field goal the whole season, had a

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Speaker 2: Miss the field goal.

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Speaker 3: Clay, you were just joy riding in the wreckage of

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Speaker 3: Vikings fans dreams right now, Okay, you know we were

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Speaker 3: trying to get them all motivated to go to the

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Speaker 3: going to be vice president.

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Speaker 3: We got a lot to talk to about today. Welcome

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Speaker 3: as always, Clay and I love getting a chance to

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Speaker 3: talk to you. Haven't seen you since Florida. Clay was

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Speaker 3: Clay was enjoying all that Florida freedom, although it's free

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Speaker 4: It's fine. Let's start with this.

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Speaker 3: Is it really just pure anti semitism that kept Shapiro

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Speaker 8: It's a very competitive state. Having a popular governor who

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Speaker 4: We're all in trouble, Carol.

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Speaker 5: We've been talking for months now about whether this rising

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Speaker 8: Well, I'll tell you. If they're getting that those kinds

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Speaker 3: Now, Carol, we're speaking of Carol Markwitz, just reminding you

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Speaker 3: so that you can go subscribe to the Clay and

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Speaker 3: Buck podcast network. Click on Carol Show you listen to it.

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Speaker 3: She does great stuff. Also a fantastic columnist. And my

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Speaker 3: with Carrol because she's a huge Carol fan.

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Speaker 4: So Clay, do you have this too. We're like family

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Speaker 3: They're never you know, they're family, They're never excited to

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Speaker 3: Jesse Kelly is so funny, and you're like, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 4: For mar A Lago.

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Speaker 3: By the way, since I'm going through this digression, Trump

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Speaker 4: He wants to travelis a little bit and.

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Speaker 3: He's like he's like, he's like Buck, He's like, you're

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Speaker 3: doing great work. You're doing great Carol, better than you,

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Speaker 4: Just like that. So anyway, it was fun.

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Speaker 8: problem with what he was saying, we're never going to

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Speaker 8: vote for the Trump Vance ticket, and they shouldn't spend

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Speaker 8: too much time trying to, you know, recoup those people.

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Speaker 8: But look, it hurts some feelings of women on the

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Speaker 8: right who maybe want to be married but aren't and

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Speaker 8: don't enjoy being called, you know, childless cat ladies. And

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Speaker 8: I get that. I really do understand that, and I

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Speaker 8: feel for those people. So what I would say is

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Speaker 8: that Trump Vance campaign should focus on women's issue use

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Speaker 8: and that are the same issues as men's issues. We

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Speaker 8: care about the border, we care about crime, we care

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Speaker 8: about affording groceries at the store. So these are all

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Speaker 8: issues that cater to men and women, and that's what

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Speaker 8: they should focus on. Was Vance wrong in saying that

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Speaker 8: a society that's not having children doesn't care about the future. No,

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Speaker 8: I worry about that. For example, with Britain. Britain seems

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Speaker 8: kind of a drift and not really focused on the future.

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Speaker 8: And I blame a lot of that on the fact

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Speaker 8: that so many people don't have kids. And therefore don't

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Speaker 8: have this eye on what the future of the country

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Speaker 8: will look like, because why would it really matter? So

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Speaker 8: I get what he was saying in the macro. He

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Speaker 8: should have been kinder and maybe gentler about it in

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Speaker 8: the micro That's really the point here that when you

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Speaker 8: talk to women you kind of have to use a

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Speaker 8: little bit of a different tone. But was he wrong

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Speaker 8: though he wasn't wrong, And I don't think they should

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Speaker 8: spend another minute talking about.

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Speaker 5: This, Carol, we're sitting here on I got to make

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Speaker 5: sure I get the date right, August sixth. If you

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Speaker 5: were setting odds, how confident are you that Trump wins?

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Speaker 8: I am such a doomsday person. I don't know, you know,

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Speaker 8: I was. I was somebody that worried a lot that

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Speaker 8: they were going to drag Joe Biden across that finish line.

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Speaker 8: And I feel better with Kamala.

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Speaker 5: Harris to cut you off.

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Speaker 8: But I was so right for so long. It's like,

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Speaker 8: you know, somebody, somebody said, it's like taking me under

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Speaker 8: and in a sport game, and I was. I was

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Speaker 8: right right up until I wasn't. But you know, I

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Speaker 8: think that it's I think we don't live in a

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Speaker 8: country that alects Kamala Harris far leftist with her far

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Speaker 8: left VP nominee. I really believe in US, so I

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Speaker 8: imagine that Trump has to pull it out. I think

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Speaker 8: some things need to break his way. I think that

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Speaker 8: his trials kind of need to be in the background,

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Speaker 8: and I know the Democrats will push him to the foreground.

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Speaker 8: But do we live in a country where President Kamala

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Speaker 8: Harris is inaugurated in January? I just I hope not.

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Speaker 3: I'm with care on this one man. It's just at

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Speaker 3: that point, what is America if the Harris wall Walls Walls.

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Speaker 4: Apparently we've been told not.

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Speaker 2: Walls, whatever his name is, whatever his name is.

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Speaker 5: I saw somebody, you'll appreciate this, Carrol Communists, go ahead,

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Speaker 5: I was saying. I saw some people saying, this is

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Speaker 5: the most difficult apostrophe combo in presidential ticket history, with

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Speaker 5: Harris and Waltz, Walls, whatever the guy's name is, this

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Speaker 5: is I agree. I think it's an unmitigated disaster if

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Speaker 5: it's possible, if they can get elected, they are legitimately

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Speaker 5: I think the farthest left wing ticket in American political history.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's nuperbole.

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Speaker 8: That's right, and look, you know, we we buckled down

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Speaker 8: in Florida. If that, if that happens and we started

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Speaker 8: a revolution of our own right.

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Speaker 5: Red states, I would say, well, I'm in a red

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Speaker 5: state now in Tennessee. But I would say that a

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Speaker 5: lot of people would respond by moving to red states

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Speaker 5: because I do think there are people up with the

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Speaker 5: federal level who say, Okay, I want to move to

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Speaker 5: a red state and make sure that at least i'm

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Speaker 5: protected there.

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Speaker 3: Ron de Santis actually shared on X Carol that you

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Speaker 3: probably saw this that when it comes to Minnesota and Florida,

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Speaker 3: a Minnesota is five times as likely to permanently move

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Speaker 3: to Florida as a Floridian is to move to Minnesota.

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Speaker 4: Not surprising, but still, I.

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Speaker 5: Mean, that's a tough move to go Florida into Minnesota.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know very many people are like, hey,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to give up warm weather all year round.

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Speaker 2: I want to freeze my ass off.

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Speaker 3: It would take a while to sell all your flip

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Speaker 3: flops on eBay, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: It's not great.

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Speaker 5: Yes, So it's a tough transition. Carol, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 9: Everybody you're listening to twenty four, The Most Important Tier

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Speaker 9: in Politics with Clay Travis en Box Sexton.

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Speaker 3: Our friend Sean Parnell joins. He's a combat veteran New

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Speaker 3: York Times best selling author of Outlaw Platoon. He also

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Speaker 3: hosts Battleground Live on the Clay and Buck podcast Network.

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Speaker 3: He's a fantastic host. Check out that show, subscribe to

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00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 3: the Clay and Buck podcast Network, and then listen to

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Speaker 3: the Sean Parnell Show. Sean, great to have you, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again. As always, Buck, it.

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Speaker 2: Is great to be here.

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Speaker 10: Thank you and Clay for having me as well.

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Speaker 3: So let's start with the big item today, Sean, that

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Speaker 3: I think you could really shed some light on. There's

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Speaker 3: a lot of criticism and it's coming to me as

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Speaker 3: well as a lot of other people, but coming to

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Speaker 3: me from veterans specifically, who are saying this guy Walls

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Speaker 3: wants to tell us all that you know, he served

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Speaker 3: and we should all kind of bow down to his

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Speaker 3: veteran status. And it's all great and it's amazing, But

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Speaker 3: when it came time, after many years being a sergeant

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Speaker 3: major to go to a rock, he chose not to go.

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Speaker 3: Can you break this down?

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Speaker 2: Firs?

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Speaker 3: As somebody who was over there, was in combat, and

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Speaker 3: you served his country at that level. What do you

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Speaker 3: make of what we know about Governor Waltz and his

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Speaker 3: service at this point.

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Speaker 10: Buck, It's it's cowardice, plain and simple. And let me

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Speaker 10: give you a sense of how eighteen year old privates,

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Speaker 10: which by the way, very very different from a command

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Speaker 10: sergeant major. Command sergeant major is the highest enlisted rank

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Speaker 10: in the United States Military Command Sergeants major are the

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Speaker 10: heart and soul of any unit.

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Speaker 2: They're the door kickers.

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Speaker 10: They teach, they coach, they mentor they train units. And

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Speaker 10: Walls probably had eight hundred plus soldiers at a minimum

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Speaker 10: beneath him. But my soldiers, my privates in combat and again,

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Speaker 10: I was in combat for four hundred and eighty five

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Speaker 10: days in Afghanistan. Let an infantry PLATOONA at the height

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Speaker 10: of the hunt for Bin Laden. I watched my soldiers

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Speaker 10: do extraordinary things in combat because they were afraid of

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Speaker 10: letting each other down. I watched my medic, his name

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Speaker 10: is Doc Pantoha, get shot in the face and then

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Speaker 10: treat twelve casualties without ever once taking care of himself,

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Speaker 10: three of which would have died without his help. I

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Speaker 10: watched a kid in my platoon named Canton Winn get

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Speaker 10: shot in the head. He was ebac to Germany developed

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Speaker 10: the blood clot When the docs tried to send him home,

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Speaker 10: he said, no, keep me here in Germany because when

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Speaker 10: I heal up, I want to get back to my soldiers.

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Speaker 10: All of that buck was because they didn't want to

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Speaker 10: let their brothers down next to them in the trenches.

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Speaker 10: And keep in mind, the job that most of these

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Speaker 10: kids had before joining the United States Military was high

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Speaker 10: school shortstop, and so everything that we do in the

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Speaker 10: military is geared towards not letting your brothers and sisters down.

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Speaker 10: And that obligation is far greater if you're a leader,

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Speaker 10: whether you're a non commissioned officer and enlisted leader in

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Speaker 10: the United States Military or an officer. You know, when

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Speaker 10: I was in ranger school, like probably the most difficult

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Speaker 10: school that the United States leadership school that the Army

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Speaker 10: has to offer. I mean, it was constantly about starving you,

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Speaker 10: keeping you awake, you know, marching twenty miles a day,

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Speaker 10: putting you in very very high pressure leadership situations where

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Speaker 10: they turn to you and say, make a decision, you know,

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00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 10: make a decision ranger, Lead, what are you going to do?

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Speaker 10: And I'll never forget in combat, trapped in a kill

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Speaker 10: zone with my radio telephone operator looking at me these big,

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Speaker 10: bright blue eyes and he's you know, we're got surrounded, outmanned,

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Speaker 10: out gunned, shot shooting at us from all different directions.

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Speaker 10: He's looking at me and reverberating on my mind or

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Speaker 10: make a decision?

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Speaker 2: Lead right?

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Speaker 10: And so Walls has an obligation as a command sergeant major,

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Speaker 10: the senior enlisted member in his battalion, in his unit,

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Speaker 10: to when they get orders to go to combat, to

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Speaker 10: go to Iraq. It's his job to lead. It's his

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00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 10: job to lead from the front, to to set the example.

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Speaker 10: Run to the sound of gunfire, not away, but in

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Speaker 10: those critical moments when all of his soldiers eight hundred

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Speaker 10: plus at a minimum, by the way, buck eight hundred

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Speaker 10: plus looking at him, bright eyed, bushy tailed, and probably

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Speaker 10: a little bit afraid that they're going into the fray,

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Speaker 10: he tucked tails and he runs at that critical moment.

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Speaker 10: I mean what like it basically says to these kids

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Speaker 10: who are going into Iraq and don't know whether or

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Speaker 10: not they're gonna come home alive. Hey, good luck, hope

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Speaker 10: you survive. I'm out of here. I'm retiring. It's it's

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Speaker 10: just gutting bucks. It's hard to describe the level of

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Speaker 10: cowardice that it takes for a leader in the United

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Speaker 10: States military, especially one that served for twenty four years.

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Speaker 10: They tried out this twenty four years thing, like it's

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Speaker 10: something about, oh, look how long he's served, he should

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Speaker 10: know better after two years, twenty four years, it's just

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Speaker 10: dereliction of duty of the highest order, of the highest order.

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Speaker 5: Sean I Buck and I talked about this because I

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Speaker 5: saw you tweeting about it as soon as this story started,

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Speaker 5: and I said, I want to bring on Sean because

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Speaker 5: I don't even feel that comfortable analyzing it because frankly,

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Speaker 5: I never served, so a lot of people I think

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Speaker 5: out there here, oh twenty four years, and they automatically think, hey,

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Speaker 5: this is a valorous guy. But I think your perspective

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Speaker 5: is so important. How many people do you think that

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Speaker 5: have served in combat zones when they hear this about

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Speaker 5: Tim Walls have the exact same reaction that you do.

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Speaker 5: In other words, how commonplace do you think your opinion

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Speaker 5: is among those who have actually put their lives on

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Speaker 5: the line. Overseas or elsewhere.

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Speaker 10: Everyone Clay, every single person that served overseas, probably looks

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Speaker 10: at this decision with disdain because the reality is is

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Speaker 10: that when you get orders to go to combat, to

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Speaker 10: go to war, regardless of where it is, you sacrifice

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Speaker 10: a lot to do that. And you know, you sacrifice

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Speaker 10: time with your family. If you have kids, you sacrifice

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Speaker 10: time with your children. The truth is, nobody wants to go,

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Speaker 10: but you sattle up and you go anyway because it's

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Speaker 10: your duty, and you have a duty, an obligation to

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Speaker 10: the man and woman in the trenches next to you.

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Speaker 10: And if you're a leader, that obligation is even greater

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Speaker 10: because you know you have an obligation to lead from

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Speaker 10: the front, to go to where the fire is heaviest,

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Speaker 10: right to where you can have the biggest impact on

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Speaker 10: the battlefield. And not only that, you know that every

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Speaker 10: decision that you make could forever alter the trajectory of

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Speaker 10: your soldiers, and God forbid, if you make a bad one,

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Speaker 10: one of them goes home in a body bag. And

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Speaker 10: by the way, what I'm talking about is I'm not

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Speaker 10: the exception to this, I'm the rule. This is the

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Speaker 10: situation that America's sons and daughters in find themselves in

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Speaker 10: whether they're an enlisted leader or an officer, when they

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Speaker 10: raise their right hand and volunteer to serve in the military. Clay,

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Speaker 10: So anyone that has shouldered that awesome responsibility of leading

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Speaker 10: America's sons and daughters. Nobody wants to go to combat,

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Speaker 10: but you saddle up and you go anyway because it's

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Speaker 10: your duty. And for him to talk tail and run

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Speaker 10: and then try to make the case that he should

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Speaker 10: be the vice president of the United States a heartbeat

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Speaker 10: away from the presidency while simultaneously calling Donald Trump and JD.

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Speaker 10: Vance weird, it's just beyond It's just beyond comprehension.

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Speaker 3: Sean really appreciate that that perspective. We needed to hear

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Speaker 3: that a lot. You know, we have so many veterans,

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Speaker 3: we have so many active duty that listen to this show,

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Speaker 3: and so to bring in somebody who has who has

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Speaker 3: really been out there and understands these decisions, I think

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Speaker 3: it's just necessary perspective. I also want to bring in

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Speaker 3: your perspective as a native son of Pennsylvania, a Pittsburgh

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Speaker 3: area guy who has run for Congress and knows the

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Speaker 3: political battlefield, not you're talking about the battlefield of Afghanistan

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Speaker 3: or rockyf but now in the political battlefield quite a

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Speaker 3: bit different. They didn't go with the governor of your state, Shapiro.

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Speaker 3: How do you now assess Trump the Kamala in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 10: Well, first of all, let me just say, as someone

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Speaker 10: who's run for office twice in Pennsylvania, I gotta tell you,

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Speaker 10: Clay Buck, I'm very glad that they did not pick

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Speaker 10: Josh Shapiro. Because Josh Shapiro fakes a good game, he

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Speaker 10: fakes being a moderate and of course we all understand

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Speaker 10: there's no such thing as a moderate Democrat. But he's

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Speaker 10: in the most important swing state in the nation. I

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Speaker 10: contend that Pennsylvania is the swing state because if you

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Speaker 10: win Pennsylvania Democrat or Republican, it's far more likely that

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Speaker 10: you win Michigan. It's far more likely that you win Wisconsin.

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Speaker 10: And so to not pick Josh Shapiro because of the

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Speaker 10: pro Hamas base pro Hamas base of their party, when

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Speaker 10: Shapiro has sixty percent favorability and just won an election

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Speaker 10: here in Pennsylvania just a couple of years ago, I'm

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Speaker 10: telling you it's mind blowingly stupid. Decision because vice presidential candidates,

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Speaker 10: while they don't always carry their home state and a

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Speaker 10: presidential cycle, oftentimes this is empirically validated over time. They're

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Speaker 10: good for a one point eight percent bump in their

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Speaker 10: home state. And guess what one point eight percent in

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Speaker 10: Pennsylvania could make all the difference. So I am glad

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Speaker 10: that Kamala picked Walls because right now, between Harris and Walls,

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Speaker 10: we have what I believe to be the most radical

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Speaker 10: top of the ticket in the history of our country.

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Speaker 10: And I don't think that's hyperbole, and that's not going

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Speaker 10: to play well in Pennsylvania, where you have over one

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Speaker 10: point two million independents that are trying to assess where

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Speaker 10: they want to go with their lives. And I think

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Speaker 10: when they go into that election booth clay Buck and

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Speaker 10: they pull that lever, it's going to be a very

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Speaker 10: simple calculation for them. What life was like under Trump,

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Speaker 10: you know, food gas affordable four toh one k going up,

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Speaker 10: and what life is like under Biden and who Kamala

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Speaker 10: Harris is connected to life is a heck of a

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Speaker 10: lot harder now. And when you're trying to make the

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Speaker 10: case to independence, you know, Blue staters like somebody from

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Speaker 10: Minnesota like Walls, somebody from California like Harris. They struggle

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Speaker 10: mightily to talk to those centrists that are critically important

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Speaker 10: to win. So I think it bodes well for Trump

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Speaker 10: and JD in Pennsylvania that they've got this crazy radical

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Speaker 10: Walls on the ticket.

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Speaker 5: Okay, you're a you're a Philly, you're a Pittsburgh guy.

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Speaker 5: I got an important question for you. To close out

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Speaker 5: everything you covered. You covered what you seemed to be

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Speaker 5: Tim Wallas's cowardice. You just broke down how Pennsylvania is

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Speaker 5: gonna go uh in the election. This is the question

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Speaker 5: that people in Pittsburgh care about the most. Who's going

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Speaker 5: to be the quarterback this year? And how's he gonna do?

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Speaker 10: You know, I look this, I'll tell you what Russell

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Speaker 10: Wilson hurting his calf. I mean, there's always a quarterback

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Speaker 10: controversy in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. But I would tell you this,

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Speaker 10: like I would be remiss to weigh in on that

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Speaker 10: topic now, because.

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Speaker 2: Way, hold on, hold on, this is amazing.

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Speaker 5: You'll give you'll give an opinion on Tim Walls's service record,

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Speaker 5: on Kamala Harris's choice of vice president, not even blink,

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Speaker 5: just fire full speed. I ask you to break down

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Speaker 5: the Steelers quarterback situation. You are a die hard Steelers

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Speaker 5: fan and you're like I just I don't know that

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Speaker 5: I can weigh in on this is amazing.

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Speaker 10: I don't listen, Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 5: You combat four and fifty days taking bullets from me

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Speaker 5: trying to kill you for over a year, and you

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Speaker 5: won't tell me who the quarterback is gonna be.

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Speaker 10: Look, look, Steelers fans are vicious. Okay, they're passionate. They're

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Speaker 10: the best traveling fans in football. I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 10: Justin Field's throwing dimes in training camp. I've been watching

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Speaker 10: very optimistic about that. He's got some longevity, He's got

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Speaker 10: legs underneath him, which is good for the Pittsburgh offense.

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Speaker 10: But hey, Russell Wilson, veteran quarterback, is good under pressure

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Speaker 10: in those critical moments, especially if you make it to

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Speaker 10: the playoffs. And I'm hoping fingers crossed that the Steelers

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Speaker 10: make it to the playoffs, and so you know, we'll

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Speaker 10: see where the cars love.

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Speaker 5: But I definitive answer to the most pressing questions in

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Speaker 5: the world. Put him on the spot for who's going

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Speaker 5: to be Steelers quarterback and he gets.

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Speaker 2: Right on the fence.

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Speaker 6: But this is.

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Speaker 4: Amazing.

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Speaker 3: He's you know, the Haconing network trying to ambush him

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Speaker 3: for eighteen months, Like, yeah, but what's the depth chart

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Speaker 3: of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Clay, I don't want to get

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Speaker 3: myself into too much stress and trouble here.

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Speaker 2: So by the.

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Speaker 5: Way, Sean, as we go to break, I told I

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Speaker 5: told you, I told Buck. We got to meet in

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Speaker 5: person at the event we just did last week. You

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Speaker 5: and your wife fantastic. We're happy to have you as

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Speaker 5: a part of the podcast network despite your cowardice on

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Speaker 5: picking a Steelers quarterback. I would encourage everybody out there

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Speaker 5: to go listen to Sean Parnell's podcast. I guarantee you're

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Speaker 5: gonna love it. And we appreciate the time today.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, Thanks, Thanks Buck, take care guys. Yeah, great to

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Speaker 4: see you man.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening to twenty four The Year of Impact

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Speaker 1: with Clay.

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Speaker 4: And Buck, our friend Ryan Gurdusky joins.

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Speaker 3: He is the author of the National Populis news letter,

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Speaker 3: which you can subscribe to on substack. He's the founder

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Speaker 3: of the seventeen seventy six Project PAC, master of election

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Speaker 3: data and quite a very nice fellow, mister Ryan Gerdusky.

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Speaker 4: How are you good?

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Speaker 2: To have you on?

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Speaker 3: Good thanks for having me all right, So, I don't

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Speaker 3: know if you've been hearing this at all. And of

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Speaker 3: course you listen to Clayton Buck Show every day, so

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Speaker 3: you must have been hearing it. But let's just reread

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Speaker 3: for a second, every day, all three hours the sense

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Speaker 3: that clay has he is concerned, he is worried about

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Speaker 3: this election. I am not worried. I am quietly confident.

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Speaker 3: Should we be worried based on the numbers you are

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Speaker 3: seeing now?

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Speaker 4: And if so, why?

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Speaker 11: I mean, look, it's it is well, it's Republicans are

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Speaker 11: doing with the whiplash right now. Two and a half weeks ago,

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Speaker 11: Republicans had a real chance at winning New Jersey, and

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Speaker 11: now they're in competition in Georgia again. So we are

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Speaker 11: in a position that we are not as comfortable as

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Speaker 11: we certainly were under Biden right before he dropped out. However,

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Speaker 11: Donald Trump is still polling better than he ever did

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Speaker 11: at any time he's ever run for office, aside from

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Speaker 11: the last month with Joe Biden. He's certainly polling better

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Speaker 11: than he did in twenty twenty certainly better than he

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Speaker 11: did in twenty sixteen. I'll break it down by the

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Speaker 11: few polls that have come out in the last couple

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Speaker 11: of weeks. This is according to a voter hub Harris

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Speaker 11: right now has on the last three polls. In Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 11: Harris has a point six percent lead to a point

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Speaker 11: one percent lead depending on how many poles you count Michigan.

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Speaker 11: In Michigan, Harris's lead is point twenty seven. In Wisconsin,

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Speaker 11: its point is one point two. Uh Nevada, it's point eight.

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Speaker 11: In North Carolina, Trump leads by two. Georgia Trump leads

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Speaker 11: by point six, and in Arizona, Trump leads by one

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Speaker 11: point two. Now, with the exception of just Georgia, all

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Speaker 11: of these numbers are still better than where he was

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Speaker 11: in twenty twenty and in twenty sixteen in all of

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Speaker 11: these states. And I will say that a lot of

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Speaker 11: what we're seeing as far as Harris surge go is

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Speaker 11: not a lot of people dropping from the Trump train

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Speaker 11: and going over to Harris. It's people. It's disenfranchised and

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Speaker 11: disenfranchised Democrats, especially a lot of minorities and young people

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Speaker 11: who did not like Joe Biden but are comfortableting for

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Speaker 11: Kamala Harris. That is the Kamala Harris search. There is

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Speaker 11: a ceiling to that surge. It's not a never ending

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Speaker 11: growth that has no limitation to it, and it is

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Speaker 11: a bit of a sugar high. I have never seen

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Speaker 11: in my life someone searged ten points with favorability and

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Speaker 11: managed to keep it, I mean search ten points overnight

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Speaker 11: and managed to keep it for very long. She hasn't

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Speaker 11: opened her mouth up. Her running mate is a lunatic

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Speaker 11: and absolute far left French nutbag. So there is definitely

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Speaker 11: gonna be some recourse over time. It's just is there

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Speaker 11: enough time to get where there needs to be? That's

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Speaker 11: the big question.

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Speaker 3: How is it looking right now in Well, actually there's

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Speaker 3: two parts of this. One is how's it looking right

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Speaker 3: now in Pennsylvania for Trump? And the second part is

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Speaker 3: is Pennsylvania basically do or die for both candidates.

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Speaker 11: I don't see a way that Harris can win without Pa.

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Speaker 11: There is a path to Trump if he loses Pa.

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Speaker 11: You win Wisconsin, when Arizona win Georgia in North Carolina

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Speaker 11: and win. Harris cannot win without Pennsylvania. There's no path

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Speaker 11: for her without Pennsylvania. And I will remind people I mean,

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Speaker 11: Pennsylvania has the more accurate polling as far as midst

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Speaker 11: as far as Roust Belt states go. It's certainly easier

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Speaker 11: to pull because they do register voters by party, not

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Speaker 11: by self identification in the polls onlike Michigan and Wisconsin,

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Speaker 11: where you just register to vote and you're a registered

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Speaker 11: voter and you decide if you're a Republican or Democrat

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Speaker 11: when you go vote in primaries. Npa, you have to

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Speaker 11: vote with a party, and you have to stick to

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Speaker 11: the party, and you can only vote in the party's primaries.

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Speaker 11: So it's a little easier to find where voters are

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Speaker 11: in Pennsylvania. It's listen to. Pennsylvania is extremely, extremely, extremely important.

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Speaker 11: There's no other way to say it. There are certain

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Speaker 11: factors working against Trump. Mainly one the areas of the

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Speaker 11: Coller Counties are in Philadelphia have definitely grown in population,

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Speaker 11: They're more liberal than they used to be, and the

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Speaker 11: rural counties have been emptying out over the last several decades,

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Speaker 11: including the four years since Trump last ran in eight

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Speaker 11: years since he won the state. But Republican registration is

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Speaker 11: up in a lot of the cities where Trump's immense

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Speaker 11: games from twenty sixteen to twenty two twenty, sites like Redding, Lancaster,

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Speaker 11: Proper City, even Philadelphia because of a surge of a

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Speaker 11: Hispanic and Asian population that that population has continued to

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Speaker 11: grow and Trump's support within that population has continued to grow.

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Speaker 11: You'll see precincts if you look at precinc changes from

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Speaker 11: twenty sixteen to twenty twenty, where there were precincts that

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Speaker 11: Trump got three percent five percent the first time in

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Speaker 11: twenty sixteen, where he got twenty two to twenty three,

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Speaker 11: twenty four percent the second time. That will help offset

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Speaker 11: some of the suburban trends away from Trump.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Ryan Gardusky National Populist newsletters, his on sub stack,

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Speaker 3: highly recommend you subscribe.

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Speaker 4: I'm a subscriber. I read it every week.

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Speaker 2: Ryan.

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Speaker 4: Now, let's look at.

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Speaker 3: The demographics that could determine this election. And let's start

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Speaker 3: with one that I know you've done a lot of

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Speaker 3: number crunching on white working class voters, white male working

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Speaker 3: class voters in the Ross belt.

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Speaker 4: Are they likely to be definitive?

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Speaker 3: Are they likely to just be a big piece of

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Speaker 3: a larger of a larger pie. I mean, what do

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Speaker 3: you make of their role in this.

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Speaker 11: So let's say winning a winning a probably making a

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Speaker 11: Republican a president. Winning a Republican presidential candidacy is like

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Speaker 11: making a cake. If that if that was the analogy

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Speaker 11: I'm using. White working classmen are the batter. You cannot

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Speaker 11: make a cake without the batter. It is impossible. And

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Speaker 11: it's not a question of are they going to support Trump?

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Speaker 11: They overwhelmingly are. Maybe a third might vote for Kamala,

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Speaker 11: but maybe even less than that, maybe even a quarter.

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Speaker 11: It's a matter of turnout. Whites without a college degree

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Speaker 11: have the worst, have the history of the worst voter

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Speaker 11: turnout of any group among among blacks, college educated whites,

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Speaker 11: and non college of whites, they turn the least. Only

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Speaker 11: his recent immigrants like Hispanics turnout less than they do.

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Speaker 11: That is the most important game is if they can

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Speaker 11: sit there and they can actually show up and show

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Speaker 11: up in big numbers. If they can, then the election

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Speaker 11: is definitely don't go into one way, which will go

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Speaker 11: to Trump. And there are more of them, I mean,

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Speaker 11: this is what there's a wild fascination and this dream,

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Speaker 11: this fever dream among a lot of Republican donors that

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Speaker 11: they're going to win twenty five percent of the black vote,

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Speaker 11: thirty percent on the black votes and something like that.

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Speaker 11: For every one percent of the black vote that they

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Speaker 11: hope to gain, it would be the equivalent of if

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Speaker 11: they gain one percent more with a white vote, it

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Speaker 11: would be like gaining five points with the black vote.

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Speaker 11: And they are much more important in the more important

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Speaker 11: states Michigan, Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona, a lot of retirees,

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Speaker 11: all those posits are in North Carolina. Winning those voters

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Speaker 11: and winning the low hanging fruit is much easier, and

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Speaker 11: it's much more important. It's but it's a persuasion thing.

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Speaker 11: It's a turnout game, and I think that's really where

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Speaker 11: the election is won or loss, and it's primarily when

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Speaker 11: I lost in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 3: You might have seen Ryan, there's some, uh, there's some

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Speaker 3: back and forth chatter on x now over whether the

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Speaker 3: Trump ground game in the key states and specifically to

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Speaker 3: do the turnout operations that you were just talking about

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Speaker 3: for non college educated white voters, is strong enough. Do

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Speaker 3: you have a view on that, do you have some

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Speaker 3: insight into how Trump seems to be doing, and then

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Speaker 3: just also what is a really strong ground game for

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Speaker 3: those voters look like.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think that what I would like to see more,

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Speaker 11: I don't know if I don't know how. I've heard

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Speaker 11: that good things about the about the turnout, about the

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Speaker 11: ground game, but I don't know enough. So I'm not

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Speaker 11: going to sit there and delve into what it is.

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Speaker 11: But what I would like to see more is more

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Speaker 11: coalitions building. So a coalition that and we can talk

928
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Speaker 11: about racial coalitions the way that Harris does, or we

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Speaker 11: can talk about economic coalitions. There is a substantial amount

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Speaker 11: of people in this country, for example, who live in

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Speaker 11: motor homes, who live in motor home communities, a specially ironically,

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Speaker 11: they live primarily in swing states. I think it's almost

933
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Speaker 11: twenty million live primarily in swing states, Arizona, Georgia, Florida

934
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Speaker 11: used to be a swing state, but Florida, Nevada, and Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 11: One of their big issues is they don't own the

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Speaker 11: land that they have their mobile home on, and a

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Speaker 11: lot of times corporations and big hedge funds buy the

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Speaker 11: land and out umprice them out and they become homeless.

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Speaker 11: It's a big conversation happening within microcosms of this country.

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Speaker 11: Targeting people like that targeting people within certain unions with

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Speaker 11: the Trump campaign has done very successfully as well as

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Speaker 11: going after not only simply just minorities or white people whatever,

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Speaker 11: but targeting within white voters certain ethnic coalitions. Talking about

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Speaker 11: Christopher Columbus statues is extremely important with Italian Americans, there's

945
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Speaker 11: certain things with Eastern European Americans that make up huge

946
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Speaker 11: percentages of Pennsylvania. And talking about those kinds of conversations

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Speaker 11: specifically with white voters, I think is very very important.

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Speaker 11: There's also conversations that we had generationally. I think Jdvans

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Speaker 11: being a millennial is very important people who are millennials.

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Speaker 11: We went through a different upbringing than other generations. We

951
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Speaker 11: had a very hard time. We had the Iraq War,

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Speaker 11: we had the two thousand and eight recession, we had

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Speaker 11: the dot com bubble. There was a lot of things

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Speaker 11: in when we were going into both high schools and

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Speaker 11: college and post college careers that held a lot of

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Speaker 11: millennials back from owning a home, from starting their life

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Speaker 11: earlier on, and a lot of student debt. Those kinds

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Speaker 11: of conversations he is unique to have because he had

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Speaker 11: that experience. Waltz didn't, Harris didn't even Trump didn't because

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Speaker 11: they're just of a certain age. I think Jdvans could

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Speaker 11: speak to those voters and speak those voters, especially in

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Speaker 11: the Midwest and in the sun Belts.

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Speaker 3: You touched on this, Ryan, but I wanted to just

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Speaker 3: have you get into a little bit more. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I like the way you said it that Walls is

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Speaker 3: a lunatic. Is it clear in your mind already based

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Speaker 3: on the real action to Walls as the pick, as

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Speaker 3: well as how the numbers have moved, that this was

969
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Speaker 3: a mistake that is just common and making a bad decision.

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Speaker 3: Or do you feel like they can still turn this

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Speaker 3: into Walls appealing to those white working class voters in

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Speaker 3: the swing states to maybe peel some off from Trump.

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Speaker 3: Not that many, but enough that it could be the

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Speaker 3: difference in Wisconsin or Michigan.

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Speaker 11: Well, it might be the difference. But since Walls became governor,

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Speaker 11: fifty thousand people in Minnesota moved to Wisconsin. So a

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Speaker 11: lot of people know who Walls is and decided to leave.

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Speaker 11: I think that should be exacerbated and delved into as

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Speaker 11: to who are these people and why do they leave?

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Speaker 11: If they left because they hate Walls, make sure they're

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Speaker 11: going to go vote in Wisconsin, and that says of

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty two. I'm sure in twenty twenty three and

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty four that number is actually even higher. That's

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Speaker 11: one thing, but also Walls's essential problem is he chases

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Speaker 11: the most fringe, lunatic elements of the Internet, and that's

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Speaker 11: where he finds his base defunding. He marched in their things,

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Speaker 11: tampons in boys bathrooms, his wife saying that that she

988
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Speaker 11: likes the smell of burning cities. These are the pole BLM.

989
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Speaker 11: Everything BLM was completely lunatic, fringe ideas, and he embraced

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Speaker 11: every single one of them. He chased the Internet crowd

991
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Speaker 11: wherever they went. He hosted someone who met a mom

992
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Speaker 11: who did pro Hitler movies, and celebrated the October seventh

993
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Speaker 11: massacres at the governor's mansion in Minnesota. He is the

994
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Speaker 11: most fringe person. On the outside, he looks like he

995
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Speaker 11: could be every Midwesterner's dad. But on the inside, you know,

996
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Speaker 11: if he was on MSNBC, Rachel Matta would tell him

997
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Speaker 11: to calm down. That's how crazy this man actually is.

998
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Speaker 11: And I think that that needs to be exposed is

999
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 11: don't buy the pack, don't buy the wrapping on the package.

1000
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Speaker 11: What's inside the package is actually horrendous for you, and

1001
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 11: you wouldn't want it if you were given as a gift.

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Speaker 4: Do you do you buy?

1003
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Speaker 3: The New York Times reporting that it really did just

1004
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Speaker 3: come down the VP pick came down to who Kamala liked,

1005
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Speaker 3: and it was her.

1006
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Speaker 4: They let it be her.

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Speaker 3: Decision, or was it really just mostly anti semitism. You

1008
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Speaker 3: can't have Shapiro, even though he'd probably help you win Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 11: I probably would guess the first part that it was

1010
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Speaker 11: really who Harris liked. I think that she probably really

1011
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Speaker 11: want I mean, Harris's dreamed of this moment for a

1012
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Speaker 11: very very long time, and she probably wanted somebody whould

1013
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Speaker 11: always play second Bill to her. Josh Shapiro probably wouldn't.

1014
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Speaker 11: I don't know why they didn't pick Mark Kelly. Maybe

1015
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Speaker 11: just didn't go well. But Shapiro is very, very ambitious.

1016
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Speaker 11: He wants to be present. He's tried to make himself

1017
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Speaker 11: in the image of a Jewish Obama, and I think

1018
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Speaker 11: that it would have been a lot of competition, and

1019
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Speaker 11: it would have been a lot of anger if Democrats

1020
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Speaker 11: were truly serious though about her chances. If there were

1021
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Speaker 11: a lot of Democrats. You would have saw Gretchen Whitmer

1022
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Speaker 11: and Newsome and Pritzker really throw their hat in the ring.

1023
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Speaker 11: I think a lot of Democrats are pessimistic, but if

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Speaker 11: she can win, because if she does win, right, no

1025
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Speaker 11: matter if she wins a second term or enough Democrats

1026
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 11: are out, A lot of these leading Democrats for the

1027
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Speaker 11: future are out of the running. Until twenty thirty two,

1028
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Speaker 11: a lot of them will have retired. Their whole chance

1029
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 11: of being president will be over. So I think internally,

1030
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Speaker 11: a lot of and in the back of their minds,

1031
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Speaker 11: someone who's like Retchen Wimer obviously been trying to groom

1032
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Speaker 11: herself with a job, trying to make us off a

1033
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Speaker 11: national figure, trying to build a fundraising base, is probably

1034
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Speaker 11: thinking to herself, Yeah, I could see Kamala losing, but

1035
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Speaker 11: that's okay because I could still run. If Kamala wins,

1036
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Speaker 11: She's never running for president. Neither his new sum neither

1037
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Speaker 11: is Pritzker, neither is Shapiro. They'll all be term limited

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Speaker 11: out and be out of office by that point.

1039
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Speaker 3: It forced to put your last dollar on a Trump

1040
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Speaker 3: victory or a Kamala victory. Ryan, don't worry, We'll only

1041
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 3: play this back after the election.

1042
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Speaker 4: If you're right, who wins the election.

1043
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 11: We've done this so many times now, Yeah, I think

1044
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 11: right now Trump's still gonna win. I still think that

1045
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Speaker 11: he has to come back. I still think, yeah, I

1046
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Speaker 11: still think he's gonna win because this is my reasoning,

1047
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 11: my rationale for it. One, I do think that there's

1048
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Speaker 11: an internal bias among voters for female candidates for president.

1049
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Speaker 11: That's politically correct, but I do believe that's true. Secondly, Harris,

1050
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Speaker 11: I mean, she went from being the character en VEEP

1051
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Speaker 11: to being like this cool woman who just is It's

1052
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,479
Speaker 11: very bizarre. I don't believe that the hype is true

1053
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Speaker 11: from the internet. And then lastly, Trump has always, always,

1054
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Speaker 11: always overperformed poles in the Rust Belts. I think he

1055
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Speaker 11: will do it again. I fundamentally do. Back in twenty twenty,

1056
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Speaker 11: he was down six points in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.

1057
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Speaker 11: Right now he is down between point one to two

1058
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Speaker 11: point seven in those three states. I do think he

1059
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Speaker 11: can overperform in the end. And like I said before,

1060
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Speaker 11: the supports he hasn't been losing support. It's just disenfranchised

1061
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Speaker 11: Democrats have been building towards Harris but I think that

1062
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Speaker 11: support is there for him too. He just needs to

1063
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Speaker 11: really really double down on the white working class of

1064
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Speaker 11: the Midwest and speak to those voters.

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Speaker 3: I've been saying the same thing. I totally agree. I've

1066
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Speaker 3: been looking at those numbers. It all makes sense to me,

1067
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Speaker 3: Ryan Gardusk. Everybody subscribe to the National Populist newsletter and

1068
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Speaker 3: to check out the seventeen seventy six Project pack. Ryan,

1069
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Speaker 3: thank you so much.

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Speaker 11: Thank you.