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Speaker 1: H I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship.

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Speaker 1: And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling.

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Speaker 2: Ravalry, No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, Vely,

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Speaker 2: that's good.

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Speaker 1: I don't like looking at myself.

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Speaker 2: Is that how we're starting this podcast with one of

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Speaker 2: the most beautiful people in the world. I don't like

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Speaker 2: looking at myself.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just want Cindy to think that I'm beautiful too,

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Speaker 1: you know, Oliver, Oliver.

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Speaker 2: Oliver, you are beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Olia. I want you to say it with me, I

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Speaker 1: am beautiful, beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I listened to this rom Dos thing this morning

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Speaker 2: on the way to school with being and I realized

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Speaker 2: that rom It's all about I am. Like, if you

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Speaker 2: can just sit with yourself and just be like comfortable

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Speaker 2: with saying I am just you are, you just are

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Speaker 2: all of the stuff.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I totally get that. That's how I serve. That's

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Speaker 1: how I survive. I mean, because I have to keep

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Speaker 1: telling myself, I just am. It's just what it is.

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Speaker 1: I just am, it just is. Here's the problem. I'm

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Speaker 1: Liver cleanse working out, lost weight, feel great, but you

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Speaker 1: lose weight in your face and then I look, I

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Speaker 1: wish there's a way to keep weight in my face

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Speaker 1: and lose weight in my body, because you lose weight

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Speaker 1: and face the college and you look hollowed out.

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Speaker 2: This is a very vain conversation. I love. But can

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Speaker 2: we can we include Cindy on this conversation?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bring her in.

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Speaker 2: I want to say. I want to just say, let's

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Speaker 2: just intro her. I have known Cindy a really long time, Cynthia,

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Speaker 2: and we are letting Cindy in. I've known her for many,

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Speaker 2: many years, and I'm very excited.

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Speaker 1: Hie II.

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Speaker 2: We were just doing an introduction which then went into

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Speaker 2: all of our talking about the complication he's having with

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Speaker 2: a complication with his vanity.

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Speaker 1: You make it sound like there's some sort of medical issue.

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Speaker 2: I was like, we need to bring Cyndy in on

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Speaker 2: this conversation.

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Speaker 1: No, here's the thing, Okay. I live a bit of

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Speaker 1: a debaucherous lifestyle, the sort of darker things, the underbelly

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Speaker 1: the drinking, I like the smoking. I like the indulgence

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Speaker 1: of just all vices. For the most part, I need

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Speaker 1: to get better. I need to get I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: maybe it seems darker than it is. It's not that dark.

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Speaker 1: Although it can get darker.

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Speaker 2: It gets it can get weird.

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Speaker 1: I went on a liver cleanse. I am trying to

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Speaker 1: create a healthier lifestyle for myself. I'm doing pilates, I'm

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Speaker 1: working out. I feel great. I'm forty eight. I just

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Speaker 1: wish there was a way to like lose weight in

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Speaker 1: my body, but not in my face. I like when

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I look like skeletor you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, I get gaunt, I get weird,

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Speaker 1: I need filler, I need whatever, I need both talks,

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Speaker 1: I need it all. Just go get a face lift

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Speaker 1: or that.

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Speaker 2: Spend all the money that you don't have, and you know, yeah.

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Speaker 3: There's something out At a certain age, you have to

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Speaker 3: choose your ass or your face. At least that's what

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Speaker 3: there is a way, honestly, like and I think we

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's crazy looking there.

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Speaker 3: I know, yeah, there's no secret. That's a thing. Like

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Speaker 3: everyone's like what and I'm sure kit you get you

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Speaker 3: matter what you're doing, you're still getting asked your beauty secrets.

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Speaker 3: And I'm always like, the secret are There's no secrets.

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Speaker 2: There's really no Yeah, it's just it's consistency. It's like

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Speaker 3: Health for young girls, though apparently that's a triggering word.

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Speaker 3: I've been told that health is oh really yeah, I

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Speaker 3: healthy is always what I have been promoting since I

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Speaker 1: Health. If you can't say healthy, then what are you?

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Speaker 1: What are you supposed to say?

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Speaker 2: Well, they say they say like healthy body means like,

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Speaker 2: oh you have you're you're a little more like you

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Speaker 2: have more weight on.

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Speaker 1: But that's what can we say anymore?

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Speaker 2: You look hot? You look hot, you look so hot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if anyone object to that, I don't object to that.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask the whole on. Let me ask

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Speaker 1: then bring out external beauty or health or whatever that means.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the right words anymore. And how much

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Speaker 2: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: You mean like in Kate, please translate that ques everything?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean? How what's the what do you mean?

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Speaker 2: What's the dip? What's your question?

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Speaker 1: You can heal? You can meaning if you drink water,

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Speaker 1: versus like skincare and looking from the outside in rather

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Speaker 2: I my whole thing is inside out.

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Speaker 2: Everything that's topical external is like a cherry on the

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Speaker 3: You know, that's the foundation, Like all the taking care

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, My daughter is eleven and her skincare

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Speaker 1: I am wondering if it's healthy because she has such beautiful, young,

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Speaker 1: supple skin. Are you fucking it up with products?

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Speaker 2: Depends on the product.

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Speaker 3: She's I mean, unfortunately that's what TikTok does to this generation.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: All of our boys have a skincare routine. But you

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Speaker 3: my thought, like women, we start thinking about this stuff,

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Speaker 3: like I've had I'm fifty eight, right, so I've been

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Speaker 1: But does Randy into the skincare now into health, into

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Speaker 2: Is Randy is Cindy's Yeah, I'm sure everybody's.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, right, Is he into this?

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Speaker 3: He's look, I think most men like for him, the

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Speaker 2: Like he'll be all of a sudden, your mindful beauty,

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Speaker 2: Your mindful beauty is to the moved over.

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Speaker 1: Now hold on, let me keep going down this road.

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Speaker 1: Is is this still attractive? I'm just saying, like, isn't

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Speaker 2: Well, you're so old fashioned.

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Speaker 1: The cool factor of things?

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Speaker 3: Oh well that is so hot?

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Speaker 3: Is live a long time and I wanted to be

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Speaker 3: It becomes about like longevity and you know, health, health

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Speaker 3: So you know, I definitely am more careful with like

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Speaker 2: it's giving your family, you know.

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Speaker 1: So basically, basically, when we see Randy on the Cosamigo's

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Speaker 3: sunscreen mixed with water, like he sunscreens so much. I

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Speaker 3: So how now do you do that for your kids? Like?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm close to my dad now, but he

438
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 3: definitely went off the rails for a while just I

439
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 3: think displaced grief, and so then my parents ended up

440
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 3: getting divorced. But even still, like I would say I

441
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 3: had a happy childhood even with those tragedies, because I

442
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 3: think I had enough unity and family and church, like

443
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 3: I had enough support around me to help me get.

444
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: Through those peaks older or younger.

445
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 3: He was the baby, so he was diagnosted with bichmia

446
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 3: when he was two, and he died right before it

447
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 3: was four. Oh God, And he was the only boy,

448
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 3: so that was really hard for Like I thought it

449
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: would have been easy one of the girls.

450
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: But you know how many siblings.

451
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 3: I have an older sister and a younger sister, and

452
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 3: I'm super close to both of them, and I was like, oh,

453
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: I almost wish like one of them would have been

454
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: in town to join us today because I would have

455
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 3: been such big fans of both of my sisters. They

456
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 3: both became teachers, and now one works for a charity

457
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 3: and the other one bought a bookstore. But you know,

458
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 3: is as different as our lives are, like they're they're

459
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 3: my first call normally, you know, mm hm, that's the best.

460
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: It's just so interesting though, going back, how you talk

461
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: about how two people deal with grief completely differently, and

462
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: how that can be a deal breaker where everything is

463
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: moving along, you know, seemingly well in a relationship and

464
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: the tragedy strikes and then you reveal your you reveal

465
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: your grief to each other because you can't in your

466
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: regular relationships. Something has to happen, and that can be

467
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: the rift that is just like I can't we're not

468
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: on the same page here.

469
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a little I wish it so that

470
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 3: sounds a little more evolved what happened with my parents.

471
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: But what I will say is my dad had to

472
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,959
Speaker 3: go back to work three days later. I mean, oh,

473
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 3: it was like it built and so I think that,

474
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 3: you know, my mother has a very strong faith, and

475
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 3: she went to death and dying courses and you know,

476
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 3: really had like a church community around her. My dad

477
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 3: was back at work three days later, crazy, and so

478
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 3: I don't even think he was given the luxury of

479
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: grieving really, And then I think it started coming out

480
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: and some kind of bad behavior.

481
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: In other ways are yeah, it's it's but it's so

482
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: funny when because when you said they grieved differently, like

483
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: that was the first thing that popped in my mind too,

484
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: which is like what I think about that. You know,

485
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: you hear these stories about families that a child passes

486
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 2: away and it really breaks them apart, you know, and

487
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: then you are the stories where it really brings people together.

488
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: We have friends who lost a child and they just

489
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: it's they're so strong or unit is so strong.

490
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 3: That's the exception. That's the exception, because I think the

491
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 3: divorce among people that lose a child is something like

492
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 3: seventy to eighty percent.

493
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yeah, not even.

494
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 3: It's kind of it's probably just that every time you

495
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 3: look at that person, it just it's like opening the wound.

496
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 2: You know.

497
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 3: I don't even blaming or breathing different, but like, I mean,

498
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: there's probably so many different reasons why people can't weather

499
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 3: that storm because it's just unthinkable. I mean, you guys

500
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 3: both have kids, so you know, you don't even want

501
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 3: to think about what that would do.

502
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 2: You can't.

503
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: But as a ten year old, I mean, how does

504
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: one process that? Do you have hard recollection of those moments?

505
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: I mean that's such.

506
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think you know, we weren't like like therapy

507
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 3: and that kind of stuff wasn't even in our family vocabulary.

508
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 3: So really, I think what got me through it was

509
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:41,239
Speaker 3: looking to my mom and she because she did the

510
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 3: work of breathing, which I really do think it's work,

511
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 3: you know, you she was a great kind of leader

512
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: for us in that and she was able to explain

513
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: death to my ten year old self. That that made

514
00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 3: me feel like, okay, this is you know, and but yeah,

515
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: of course there's still there were still Like going back

516
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: to school was weird because again, as we do not

517
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: know how to give condolences as a society, like right,

518
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 3: like no one knows even if you know something terrible

519
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: happened to someone, sometimes you're like, oh, I don't know

520
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 3: if I should say something or not true, right, And

521
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: I feel like that is a skill that we should

522
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 3: all go on. And so I remember going back to

523
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: school and no one said anything to me except for

524
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: one kid was like, oh, I heard your brother died

525
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: or something. I read it my parents read it in

526
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: the paper. And I was like, I didn't know what

527
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: to say, and you know, like I was embarrassed that

528
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 3: my brother died when I went back to school, which

529
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: was such a weird feeling. But because not even the teacher,

530
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: like no one addressed it, and it was I was

531
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: definitely confusing but again, I just kept looking to how

532
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: my mom was dealing with it, and I think that

533
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: really helped me get through it.

534
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 2: Do you still so, I guess you're so young, Like

535
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: what is your relationship to that loss now as an adult?

536
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: Well? Wow, I mean I have very few, Like, of

537
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: course I can recall my brother, but some of it

538
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: I don't even know if it's because of stories or pictures,

539
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? Like that was so young,

540
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: but I think probably And it sounds weird to say

541
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: it this way, but I'm going to say it anyway.

542
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: One of the gifts I got from that experience was

543
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: understanding that life is fragile and like, don't take it

544
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: for granted. And I think a lot of people like

545
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 3: they don't experience loss until much later in life, and

546
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: so maybe they're more cavalier about time and their lives.

547
00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 3: And I guess understanding that at a young age and

548
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 3: it wasn't terrifying to me. It just was like wow,

549
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: like we aren't immune and part of me, I don't

550
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 3: know how this happened, but I kind of almost saw

551
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: my brother as like you know how rockets have an

552
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 3: engine that like gets them into space and then that

553
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 3: rocket falls away, and that just became a picture in

554
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: my mind that I was able to feel like like

555
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 3: Jeff was part of this energy for me. And also

556
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: because I am like, I'm Christian and so like to me,

557
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: death wasn't like just like okay, you're dead and that's it,

558
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: you know, I had that idea of what death was.

559
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: Mm hmm comforting.

560
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: Faith is so sortant such an I sometimes think about this.

561
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: I think about this a lot, like because I believe,

562
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: you know, in a bigger story than what we're doing

563
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: here just on this on this earth plane, you know,

564
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: I it has to be Yeah, I just, I just

565
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: and I feel a strong connection to f to faith,

566
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: to uh and I do have faith, and but I

567
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: I I find that we're losing sight of it so

568
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: much that so there's so many people don't have a

569
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: sense of faith. And one of the great things about

570
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: faith is community. Like when you talk about that to

571
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: the support and your belief your faith, that that this

572
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: isn't it, that you're so connected. It's like when people ask, like,

573
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: what's going on with this generation, You're like, I really

574
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: think that's the word. I think sometimes it's not having

575
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: that faith in something with faith brings people to a

576
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: table together to talk about you know, to to to

577
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: or or brings around a table to you know, celebrate

578
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: whatever it is that are celebrating. Faith brings you to

579
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: a church. Faith brings you, you know, a sense of.

580
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: Like comfort, great right, because comfort, yes, right, Faith and

581
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: religion are two completely different things in my opinion, you know.

582
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean I can have you know, I say, faith

583
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: in this iPhone, that this is what's going to keep

584
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: me safe and this is what's going to give me comfort,

585
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: you know. And as long as I believe enough that

586
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: this iPhone is going to take me through the hard

587
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: times and I have true, deep faith in it, then

588
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: you know that will be the best course for me.

589
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: I think kids only. I can only say this because

590
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: I witness it with my children. But they're not It's

591
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: not conspiracy theories, but it's like, are we living in

592
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: a simulation? Are there aliens? Now? Like there's a whole

593
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: new world that these kids are sort of at least

594
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: my kids are sort of glombing onto again TikTok and

595
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: all the insanity that goes along with it, you know,

596
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: But their ideas are not faith based. They're sort of

597
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: bigger ai simulation based. Is this world real?

598
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 3: I feel that way. I'm always like I like my matrix.

599
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: I'm staying in my mat like whatever, because we can

600
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: get so overwhelmed with everything. That's all the noise that's

601
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: going out on in the world, you know, and sometimes

602
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 3: I just like I'm like, okay, but today, right now,

603
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm happy, I'm healthy, have my family or whatever.

604
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 3: But back to faith, even if it is just which

605
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 3: I don't believe, but let's just say I know a

606
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: lot of people do, even if it is just a

607
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: way to keep the masses. Like for me, if if

608
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: it was just that it did it does help when

609
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: you lose someone. So I've had friends who've you know,

610
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: lost parents or spouses or whatever. And if you don't

611
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: have faith, it's.

612
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: Really you feel so lost. Yeah, it's like it's like

613
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: Carl Sagan's great quote. You know, this earth, this planet

614
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: is only bearable through love, Like this vast planet is

615
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: only really bearable when you if you have love.

616
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: It's funny because my mother, like when I was young,

617
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 3: I saw I used to call her like Pollyanna, and

618
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: I didn't mean it as a compliment, like I was like, oh,

619
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: she's always like she always likes everybody, show sees the

620
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 3: positive and everything. And then as I've gotten older, I realized, like,

621
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 3: what a great quality that is, Like what a great choice,

622
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 3: And it is a choice she made. She had a

623
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 3: lot of bad things happened to her, you know, she

624
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 3: lost her son, her her husband went off the rails,

625
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: you know, and she still was the glass half full person.

626
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: So something that I kind of mocked is like, you know,

627
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: when we're like eighteen or twenty and we're like reading

628
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 3: philosophy and we we know more than our parents. The

629
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: thing that I admire about my mother the most is

630
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: that she chose to be a Pollyanna. It's not that

631
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: she didn't know or didn't experience, it's just she made

632
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: that choice. And I think that's really brave.

633
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: I love that, and I think that more people should

634
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: think that way, because we are so quick to pass

635
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: judgment on the smallest things that are discomforting to us,

636
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: or someone does something bad to us, immediately throw all

637
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: the babies out with the bathwater. It's like, oh, you

638
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: did this, now fuck everything else about you, rather than no,

639
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: there's probably amazing parts of this person, but they have

640
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: their own afflictions, their own issues that they have to

641
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: deal with, which maybe were passed down from their parents,

642
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: that were passed down from their fucking parents. I mean,

643
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: everyone has their story, so why not look at the

644
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: things and understand why they are who they are rather

645
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: than just giving them the middle finger. I totally agree

646
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: with people like your mom.

647
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: People like your mom are just so probably I mean,

648
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: I'm putting this word into your mouth, but are incredibly forgiving,

649
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: you know, like those forgiving? Is she forgiving?

650
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 3: You know? But yes, yes, but not in a again,

651
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: I think, you know, like my less you know, my

652
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 3: more teenage or young twenty eyes didn't understand like, yeah,

653
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 3: she's not dumb, like she wasn't just like giving away

654
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 3: her power. I think because my mom really didn't work

655
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 3: until I was, you know, almost in middle school. I

656
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 3: just like I wanted to be a career woman and

657
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: my mom wasn't the representation of what I what the

658
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 3: life that I saw for myself. But again, it just

659
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: it took me time to understand that so many ways

660
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: she was what I wanted to be, you know, it

661
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 3: just different.

662
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: So how old were you when you were, like, I

663
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: know what that like? Did you know you wanted to

664
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 2: model or were you discovered.

665
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: I probably would have been a teacher, honestly, but I

666
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: wanted to be either a nuclear physicist or the first

667
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: woman president, just because they were like big. I was like,

668
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: I know, I'm getting out into help. Even though I

669
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 3: loved it, I knew that for whatever reason, I was like,

670
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: I wanted a bigger life. But both my sisters, as

671
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 3: I said before, are both teachers, and we used to

672
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: play school, and I probably would have ended up being

673
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 3: a teacher. I did not never thought about modeling. That

674
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: wasn't a real job then, Like I think my dad

675
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 3: thought it was like a nice word for prostitution. When

676
00:38:54,560 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 3: I first got job modeled, and like my peers, it

677
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 3: came with me to meet the agency, and you know,

678
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 3: my dad was pretty suspect for a while, but it

679
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: just happened. It was like an opportunity. And I had

680
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 3: done you know, I had babysat and paper routes and

681
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: worked in a clothing store and worked in a cornfield,

682
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 3: like I had done all those jobs, and modeling sure

683
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: paid better and it seemed like okay, I can do

684
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: this and then and still go to college. But very

685
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 3: quickly it was like too much to do both, so

686
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: I dropped out and moved to New York and it

687
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 3: worked out.

688
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: Did you love it or was this like I need

689
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: to make money and it's I'm making money, or was

690
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: there did you actually love being a model?

691
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 3: You know, it's so interesting because first of all, I

692
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: don't know if like my generation, like I think anyone

693
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 3: told you, like I just want you to be happy.

694
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: You got to do what you love. Like that's that's

695
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 3: a lot of pressure on a kid, Like I know

696
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: for my kids, they're like, oh, I don't know what

697
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: I love. But even for me, I I had to

698
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 3: make money for sure, like without at my parents put

699
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 3: were not supporting me, like you know, so and I

700
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: liked it, and then I think I started loving it

701
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: because I got to travel, I was financially independent, And

702
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: it's a skill like anything, and you get better at it.

703
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 3: And you know, because I think I was a student

704
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: and I was an observer, I learned and like I

705
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 3: have confidence now in my skill as a model. And

706
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people they just think modeling

707
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: is only about the way you look, and obviously that's

708
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: a big aspect of it, but you can become a

709
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 3: better model, So I you know, I really like it,

710
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: you know, and because it's it's a different version of

711
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: storytelling in a way.

712
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: And how are your sisters when you started to kind of,

713
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: you know, become the Cindy Crawford.

714
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 3: I think for my older sister, because she was like

715
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 3: just a little bit ahead of me in life, I

716
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: don't think that that was hard for her, Like I

717
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: don't think she ever felt I don't know, she just

718
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: wasn't looking backwards, right. But I do think for my

719
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: younger sister, there was times where because I was valedictorian

720
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: and my younger sister was also a really good student,

721
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 3: but she she was valedictorian and then I went off

722
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 3: and became a model and so in a weird way,

723
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 3: and she was four years she is four years younger

724
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 3: than me, so I think there was more pressure on

725
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 3: her like well why aren't you doing you know, and

726
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: being compared to me, whereas I don't think my older

727
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: sister got compared to me in the same way. So

728
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: I do feel like there was some point where it

729
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 3: might have been hard for my little sister, But I

730
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: mean that was so many years ago, and I think,

731
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 3: thank God, both of my sisters are very happy in

732
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 3: their own lives, like in some ways, I don't even

733
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 3: think they would want my life because they you know,

734
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 3: they've seen the good and the bad of everything, you know,

735
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 3: and and now we you know, we connect as mothers

736
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 3: and wives and sisters and daughters. We really and I'm

737
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 3: proud of them. So I think there's no issues. But

738
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 3: you know, it's like an adjustment, right, like when you

739
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: go from being just one of like the Crawford girls,

740
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 3: to all of a sudden like I'm you know, on

741
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 3: the cover of magazines or getting all this and my

742
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 3: mother would say, like people would say to her, oh,

743
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: how's your daughter, And my mother would intentionally not tell

744
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 3: them about me. She would tell them about one of

745
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: my other two sisters. That's amazing, that one, and then

746
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 3: she'd go to the other one and they're like, no,

747
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 3: the famous one. But so I think the way my

748
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: mom treated it was also probably very helpful to my sisters.

749
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: Did you have to protect yourself and advocate for yourself,

750
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: especially early on, given sort of the world that you

751
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: were in in and thrust into, you know, especially probably

752
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: back then, you know, I'm sure it was extremely misogynistic.

753
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were crazy pitfalls, there was dangers, there

754
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: was you know lechery. You know, how did you how

755
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: did you deal with that?

756
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess I was a little lucky because

757
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: I wasn't sixteen, you know, I was twenty by the

758
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: time I moved to New York, which was you know,

759
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 3: old ancient by model model years. I feel very fortunate

760
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: because I didn't. I don't have like a horror story,

761
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 3: and I do know a lot of models that found

762
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: themselves in situations that were pretty you know, not good.

763
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 3: But I also feel like part of the way that

764
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 3: I was raised, and I guess because I had self

765
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 3: confidence from being good at school, I found my voice.

766
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 3: There's a few times where I got talked into doing something,

767
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: but nothing, nothing too bad, and like the way that

768
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 3: I felt afterwards, it empowered me for the next time.

769
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 3: So you know, sometimes we do have to learn the

770
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 3: hard way. I'm sure. I'm sure, Kate, you've had even

771
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 3: and I bet like your mom probably thought like, no

772
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: one will fuck with my daughter because they know I'm

773
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 3: in the business. But it doesn't necessarily work that way.

774
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: Because I felt the same both of my kids with modeling.

775
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: I felt, oh, no one's gonna try anything with them

776
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: or fuck with them because they know, like I, and

777
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 3: it wasn't true. They find their own you know.

778
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, your era, that's like supermodel era because I was

779
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: I was a little girl with all of you on

780
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 2: my wall, you know, and you know, to take all

781
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: our things out of vogue and do collages and you

782
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 2: were all over my wall. But I feel like I

783
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: feel like that era, that sort of nineties, uh supermodel.

784
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, my god, yeah, that George Michael freedom era.

785
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that you that that there was so many There

786
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: was also so many like drugs. It was just part

787
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 2: there's a lot of partying happening.

788
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 3: That wasn't my scene.

789
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, and you you didn't. You didn't engage

790
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: in that kind of world.

791
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: You know.

792
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: I wonder if that allowed you to be able to

793
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: like sort of see I don't know, I mean did

794
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 2: were you always looking at like what your next step was?

795
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 3: Like? No, No, I get too much credit entirely. But

796
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: I was not a party girl for sure, and I

797
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: did not like being out of control. So and also,

798
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: I mean I probably was so nice because people would say, oh,

799
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: they were doing so much blow. I'm like, really like

800
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 3: I because I don't do I don't recognize it, do

801
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: you know? I mean a little less it's you know,

802
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 3: out on the table, then I probably would figure it out.

803
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 3: But even here's a story, kid, I don't like. I

804
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 3: was inner. I worked for MTV and I was doing

805
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 3: like at the VMA's like backstage fashion or something, and

806
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: Chris was there, Robinson and and I was like, oh,

807
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 3: he had these really cool like swede pants on with

808
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: leaves and border dominal legs. And I'm like, just you know,

809
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, those are so cool. What kind of

810
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 3: leaves are there? And he said cannabis? And I in

811
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: this I'm not kidding. I was not acting at all.

812
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: I was like, what's that? And that now I'm like,

813
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 3: oh no, I then I go I was able to

814
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 3: save it. I think I'm like, oh, just kidding, but truly,

815
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 3: like I had never heard the word cannabis before. So

816
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 3: I think my kind of midwestern you know, just being

817
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 3: a naive girl. That probably saved me from some of

818
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 3: the cd R side of the fashion industry while I

819
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: was figuring out, like, okay, how to say no to

820
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 3: what I wasn't okay with.

821
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing, because I always saw you healthy the triggering

822
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: word I have to figure out, but I always saw

823
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: you to me, you were always like the healthy, like

824
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: supermodel like you were more like sporty and you know,

825
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 2: had like you always had like your shape was always

826
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: so gorgeous, and it was you know what I mean,

827
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: I just you. You. You embodied something different than I

828
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: mean everybody. I guess everybody was a little but there

829
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: was something that felt I guess wholesome would be the word.

830
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: I guess you were the sexy wholesome one, the hot, sexy, wholesome,

831
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: healthy Cindy.

832
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 3: I think me it just I When I got to

833
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: New York, I realized, like, oh, I have to exercise

834
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: in order to fit in these clothes. You know, Like

835
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 3: I grew up eating you know, meat and potatoes in

836
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 3: the Midwest. I did not know anything about nutrition and

837
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: not that meat and potatoes are bad. I'm not saying that,

838
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 3: but I I had to learn, okay, you know, how

839
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 3: to do this, and part of that was fitness for

840
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 3: me and my I just was never want to like

841
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 3: the little skinny like you know, wave type. That's just

842
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 3: not my natural body type. So my options were, you know,

843
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 3: at lease keep it fits. That became that became part

844
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 3: of major whatever.

845
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: We don't have like a ton of time left, but

846
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: I want to hear the I want to hear you

847
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 1: met Randy. I know if I told a million times,

848
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: but I don't know, Like, how did that all go down?

849
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: Was?

850
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: Where did you meet Randy?

851
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

852
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: We met. So my agent was getting married and my

853
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 3: agent also went to summer camp with Randy when they

854
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: were kids, and so I was coming alone to the

855
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 3: wedding and Randy was, I mean alone to the wedding.

856
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 3: And there were also two other guys coming alone to

857
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 3: the wedding, and so my agent at the time said,

858
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: why don't you just have one of these guys chaperone?

859
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: You and I knew the other two, and I'm like

860
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 3: no and no. But Randy was like door number three.

861
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 3: I didn't know, and we agreed to meet O. Kate.

862
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 3: I don't know if you were ever at his first

863
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 3: bar in New York. I know you were a little.

864
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what was it called whiskey?

865
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: That was the worst one?

866
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: Whis yeah? Oh yeah.

867
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 3: Anyway, Randy open that and it was kind of cool

868
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 3: because we weren't meeting as a date like it was

869
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 3: so I think what was interesting about that is you

870
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: weren't on a date behavior, you weren't like, oh wow,

871
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 3: everything you've said, it's just fascinating. You know, I was

872
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 3: really meet because I wasn't trying to impress him, and

873
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: I think he wasn't trying to impress me. And also

874
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 3: he was in his place, so it was like, oh,

875
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: that's cool. I got to I got to kind of

876
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 3: see him doing his thing. So we agreed, okay, let's

877
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 3: let's go together. The next night, he was late. I

878
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: am usually always very punctual. I do not like lateness,

879
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: so I'm waiting in my lobby like tapping my foot

880
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 3: really annoyed. This this is before cell phones, and you know,

881
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 3: we get to the wedding late. But and this is

882
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 3: he had brought a bottle of tequila, which we did

883
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: shots in the car and then we co checked the

884
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 3: bottle of tequila. So it's actually funny that he started

885
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 3: at tequila company later in life. And anyway, we had

886
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: a great time at the wedding. So that's how we met,

887
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 3: and I think our friends like we had like this

888
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 3: foundation and obviously I was attracted to him, but like

889
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 3: we never went through that awkward stage where I had

890
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 3: to say, you know what, I actually really don't like

891
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 3: baseball or whatever. That's the thing that date sometimes where

892
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 3: you're trying to like be so all fun, and I

893
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 3: think that cut out a lot of like on doing

894
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 3: the you know, like we just instantly were ourselves, not

895
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: our best.

896
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: Version, and then and then and then you and then

897
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: and then how long before it was like, oh my god,

898
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: like this is I think I'm in love with you.

899
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: It's just I mean, I mean, he is pretty hot.

900
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: I don't think he's hot, of course, but hot's not everything, Kate.

901
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: It's about the inside too.

902
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 3: One of the things I really love about Randon continue

903
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 3: to love about Randy is he's very comfortable in his

904
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 3: own skin and and he doesn't need to be the

905
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 3: center of attention at all, like, in fact, he doesn't

906
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 3: like it, so that kind of I don't know. I

907
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 3: just found that very attractive. But it was a little complicated,

908
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 3: which I won't go into here. But we eventually we

909
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 3: were married, probably like two years later. And yeah, we've

910
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 3: been married.

911
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: Twenty it's been twenty hour how many years now?

912
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 3: Twenty five?

913
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: Wow? And never jealous, no jealousy, Like, guys, I'm only

914
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm projecting because I've been with Aaron for twenty four years.

915
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 1: I was I was super jealous. I was the beginning

916
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,439
Speaker 1: of so jealous. Oh my gosh.

917
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 3: A little sometimes I'm like, can I make him jealous?

918
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 3: But I think the guy jealous and that's At first

919
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 3: it feels good because you're like, oh wow, they're so

920
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 3: into me, they're so jealous, But then you realize how

921
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 3: quickly that can turn.

922
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: So I have that with Danny. I'm like, aren't you

923
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: like ever can you just be jealous once? And then

924
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is the greatest relationship I've ever had

925
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 2: because there's so much we have so much trust, and see,

926
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 2: he just never gets jealous.

927
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: I've been I'm fine now it's been a million years.

928
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: But in the beginning, I needed to know every dude

929
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: she was with. I needed to know every sexual encounter

930
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: that happened with that guy. I needed to know the

931
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: size of his crum. I needed to know everything. I mean,

932
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 1: I know because I don't want to. I don't want

933
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: to run into some man secure. I don't want to

934
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: run into the dude and all of a sudden're like,

935
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, Aaron, Hey, what's up? And immediately I'm thinking,

936
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: did you bone this guy? Is you know? I mean,

937
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: I just don't want that. I had to know everything.

938
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: I met Randy when I was trying to get into

939
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: his bars underage, and and he'd let me. I did

940
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 2: get into his bars, no, I I but he is

941
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: the reason why I met Chris really because I went

942
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 2: to I was at the Sunset Marquee and I went

943
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: into the Whiskey Bar. So I snuck into the whiskey bar.

944
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: That was Wendell, the door guy.

945
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 2: That's right, Wendell.

946
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, gosh, bless him.

947
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 2: Wendell was the yes And I went in there and

948
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 2: I was I was eighteen, and I was sitting and

949
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: Johnny Ramone introduced me to Chris and Linda. Johnny and

950
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 2: Linda Ramone just said, oh, you should meet Chris and

951
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: introduced me and he it was so rude. He was

952
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: so mean Chris, and I was like, this guy is

953
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: such an asshole. And because he looked at me, He's

954
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 2: like how old are you? And I was like nineteen

955
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 2: and he's like, what are you doing in here? And

956
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: then a year later I met him and and then

957
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: you know, he was like, I met you at the

958
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 2: Whiskey bar and I was like, yeah, he was much nicer.

959
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: I hope, I'm going to say. And I fell in

960
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: love with him being such an ass.

961
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: And immediately immediately it was love. No, but but Randy

962
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: really was like that. Randy was always a part of

963
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: those moments with when I met Chris and in the

964
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: beginning Randy's brother Big Crows Fan and Deadhead, and so

965
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: we were always.

966
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 3: Still is he lived at the sphere?

967
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 2: This sum I'm sure my god, oh man, Okay, what

968
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 2: advice do you give your daughter when she said I'm

969
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: going to model? Mom? You know, everybody always asked me this.

970
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 2: It's my most annoying question I get as a daughter

971
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: of It's like, what advice does your did your mother

972
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 2: give you? But as a mother, you know, I know

973
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 2: what my advice. But but the other way around, when

974
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 2: she sort of entered into the that sphere, what what

975
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 2: was your sort of like going away parting words to

976
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: Kaya as she.

977
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: And before you answered that to preface this, like Kate

978
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: wanted to be an actor, you know from the get

979
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: Mom wouldn't let her do movies or TV until she

980
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: was eighteen years old, Like it was a big thing.

981
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: You can do plays, You've been offered a million different things.

982
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: You have the talent to do it, but you are

983
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: not doing it until you're eighteen, and.

984
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: In retrospect, do you agree with that.

985
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: Decision of Yeah, I'm glad she did it. I mean

986
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 2: she and then she just threw me to the wolves. Bye.

987
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 3: Funny because my son started his first job when he

988
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 3: was fifteen, and it was at this little place called Sunlight.

989
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 3: It's like a smoothie ra Joice places. And here's the

990
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 3: advice I gave him, And it's honestly the same advice

991
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 3: I gave kaya in for fashion beyond time. Be prepared

992
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 3: and stay off your phone. And because all the other stuff, well,

993
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: hopefully she has good manners, she knows how to conduct

994
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 3: herself all that stuff, like you're doing it as a

995
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 3: parent for their you know, first ten fifteen years of

996
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 3: their life, right, But in terms of like her, I

997
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 3: can't teach her how to model. I mean, she was

998
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 3: on set with me, she had her picture taken, so

999
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 3: I think she had a comfort level probably like you

1000
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 3: guys did of even like what a set looked like

1001
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 3: or whatever. She knew certain photographers or hairdressers or make

1002
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 3: up people, but really like little bird, go fly like

1003
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 3: figure it out. So I kind of I mean, because

1004
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 3: I feel like your mom as much as you say,

1005
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 3: she just like threw you to the wolves, but she

1006
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 3: was probably the person you called if you should I

1007
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 3: do this? Should I do that? And yeah, you know

1008
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 3: because I stard a model when she was sixteen, the

1009
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 3: first two years of her life, like someone always went

1010
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 3: with her. If it wasn't me, it was our nanny

1011
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 3: who still works for us. You know. It was like

1012
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 3: someone was always with her. And I was much more

1013
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 3: involved than what she should do, what she shouldn't do

1014
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 3: with who, blah blah blah blah. But at a certain point,

1015
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 3: and it was probably more around nineteen twenty, I didn't

1016
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 3: want to be that momma. I wanted to just be

1017
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 3: mom again, because I think being mammager's tricky because you

1018
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 3: you know, like when your mom, your only thing you

1019
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 3: care about is your kid. When your mom and your

1020
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 3: part of you is trying, you're looking at like, oh,

1021
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: is this good for the career or whatever? I mean,

1022
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 3: I would always default to mom, but it's not as clean. Yeah,

1023
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 3: it's great, she can, she can have a manager whatever

1024
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 3: that they know their job and I'm just mom and

1025
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 3: it's much help. It's healthier for both of us now.

1026
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 3: But she'll still call me for my opinion, which I

1027
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 3: love you know, and we actually just worked together last

1028
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 3: we did together fun.

1029
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: My mom always said what you put out matters, what

1030
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: you put out into the world, it matters, and I

1031
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: sometimes would get in my head. I remember thinking when

1032
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 2: I would do certain roles, I'd be like, but sometimes

1033
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: I just want to play this role, Like sometimes I

1034
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: don't want it to have some big message or you

1035
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Sometimes I just want to play

1036
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: something crazy. And so that was actually a hard thing

1037
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: to individuate from was that everything is overthinking everything that

1038
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: I did as an actor as as it mattered to

1039
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,959
Speaker 2: the greater, you know, the world, Like sometimes I wanted

1040
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: to I want to play somebody evil and uh so

1041
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 2: that was for me kind of an individuation. I think

1042
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: it's important to have that, you know, is to actually

1043
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: like be able to, you know, say like, oh well

1044
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: maybe mom wouldn't make this choice, but but I think

1045
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: I I think I have to, whether it's a mistake

1046
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 2: or not. I think I have to do that on

1047
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 2: my own, just to feel the water in a you know, differently,

1048
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: just to you know.

1049
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 3: And I bet, I bet your mom's proud of even

1050
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 3: when you make those choices. Your mom is proud of you.

1051
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 3: Because oh yeah, even if finding your own voice like

1052
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 3: Kayak doesn't. Sometimes I feel like if I tell her

1053
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 3: to do something or not to do something, it's the

1054
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 3: surest way for her to do the other thing. Yeah,

1055
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 3: like the other she was reading. She had a book reading,

1056
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 3: and I mean like for her book club, and she asked,

1057
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 3: she gave me two like should I read this or

1058
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 3: should I read this excerpt? And I was like, oh,

1059
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 3: I really like this one. And then the night of

1060
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 3: she read the.

1061
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 2: Other one, and I was like, just is it the

1062
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 2: book she was talking to me about? What is it

1063
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 2: called something like dick Head?

1064
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 3: Oh no, it wasn't that. It was she did something

1065
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 3: at the Chelsea Hotel and it was all stuff related

1066
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 3: to the Chelsea Hotel. And I was like, I like

1067
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 3: the Patti Smith one because no one else was reading

1068
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 3: Patti Smith. But then she felt it was too on

1069
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 3: the nose. So I don't know, but that's fine, Okay.

1070
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 2: Last question, what are you looking forward to right now?

1071
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: You Cindy and the you know, forward moving direction. What

1072
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: are you excited about right now?

1073
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 3: I think what's really exciting, and I think it can

1074
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 3: be terrifying for people is empty nest. I think if

1075
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 3: you're lucky enough to steal like your spouse. I think

1076
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 3: like Randy and I are kind of making a conscious

1077
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 3: decision to approach it as like, wow, this is cool.

1078
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 3: We can like we're not tied to school schedules anymore.

1079
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 3: We can travel, we can you know, do these other things.

1080
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 3: So like last winter, we spent a couple months in

1081
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Speaker 3: Miami and it was really good for us because we

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01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 3: didn't spend time there as a family, so I don't

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01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 3: have like you here. I'm in Malibu at my husband Malibu,

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01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 3: and I always say the ghost of the kids are everywhere,

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01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 3: you know, like, oh, remember, there are empty you walk

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01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 3: by them, and it can be said there is a

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01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 3: sense of loss when your kids launch, even though we

1088
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 3: should be celebrating that, and we do that too, but

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01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 3: you know, this is a little like quiet around the house.

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01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 3: So I think the way we're trying to approach that

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01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 3: as like, wow, this is like a great exciting chapter

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01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 3: for the two of us to do things that we

1093
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 3: weren't able to do when we were you know, really

1094
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 3: trying to be there for the kids.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: It's such a double edge, so exciting. I mean, my

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01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: kids are seventeen, fourteen eleven. I got some time. But

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Speaker 1: it's exciting and it's also just completely devastating all the

1100
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: same time.

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Speaker 2: I have a feeling by the time i'm an empty nesterry,

1102
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have grandchildren. So I don't think i'm.

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01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: Really the way I did it.

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01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 2: I think there's always gonna it's just like going to

1105
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 2: be a you know. But I love that I do.

1106
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 2: I kind of sometimes I actually long for it. I'm like, God,

1107
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 2: I love to just be able to go live in

1108
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: Italy for two months and not have to deal with

1109
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 2: school schedules and oh heaven.

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01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so that's something you could look forward to.

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01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: Yes, good, all right, Cindy, go catch your playing. Thank

1112
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: you so much.

1113
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 3: Joining us talking to you guys. I love seeing I'm

1114
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 3: jealous that you guys because you both live here, right,

1115
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 3: And that's like I will say, I love living in California,

1116
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 3: but I miss that proximity to my family especially.

1117
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: It is we It is special, honestly, I mean myself,

1118
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: Kate Wyatt, Boston, Mom, Paul. We all live within ten

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01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: minutes from each other, every one of us. So it's

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01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. All the cousins and.

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01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 2: Then when we talk about the idea that maybe we'd move,

1122
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 2: it's like it's like a family decision. Yeah, we all

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01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 2: move together, like we can't move if you're not mising.

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Speaker 1: Love you, Bye bye, bye bye bye.

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Speaker 2: She's the best I know.

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01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: I love Cindy, such a good head on her shoulder.

1127
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: She's like smart, she never got in all the bullshit.

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01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: You know, she's pretty great.

1129
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 2: She's just a great girl. And yeah too, Yeah, they're great.

1130
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 2: I love them and and and really good energy and fun.

1131
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: They're super fun and and honestly, Kaya, it's always that

1132
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 2: thing where you're like, your kids are good representation usually

1133
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 2: of the parents. There's a you know, it's a real thing.

1134
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 2: And Kaya is just the best.

1135
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was great. And she's fifty eight, Oh my god.

1136
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 2: Yeah she's so good.

1137
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: So beautiful, yeahsane. Wow.

1138
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 2: There's there's you know, beauties in the world that you

1139
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 2: just look at and they're just always beautiful. She's going

1140
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 2: to be eighty and beautiful. You know.

1141
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Speaker 1: I wonder if I like have a shot, you know,

1142
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: like later on down the line, Oliver, I've got randy

1143
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: ish vibes, you know, yeah, you kind of do.

1144
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he's a little healthier and no, yeah, no,

1145
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 2: definitely he's got a stronger maybe business sense.

1146
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: No way, that's that's wrong.

1147
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 2: No, it's actually pretty rise.

1148
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: No he he.

1149
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 2: He took his drinking and made it a business, you

1150
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 2: know what I mean, and succeeded.

1151
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: This is true, all right, he he He turned something

1152
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: poisonous into something beauty, amazing, beautiful, lucrative.

1153
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 2: Listen, I love you, and uh we'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah bye