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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired.

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Speaker 2: To Hunt podcast. This week in the show we are

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Speaker 2: starting are what would You Do? Series again, in which

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Speaker 2: we walk a hunter through a series of hypothetical, challenging

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Speaker 2: hunting scenarios to see exactly how they.

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Speaker 3: Would handle them.

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Speaker 2: And today's guest is Ted Zangerley of the Hunting Public.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by First Light and their Camera for

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Speaker 3: And it is that time of year again.

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Speaker 2: August has arrived and as we have done for I

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Speaker 2: think five years now, every August, we kick off are

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Speaker 2: what would you Do? Series, in which I run a

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Speaker 2: great deer hunter through a series of hypothetical, difficult, challenging, frustrating,

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Speaker 2: confusing hunting scenarios, give them very specific hypothetical situations to

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Speaker 2: see how they would handle them, how they would think

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Speaker 2: through them, what their decision making processes and everything in between.

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Speaker 2: So that's what we're doing here today, and we're kicking

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Speaker 2: it off with a great first guest, Ted Zangerly from

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Speaker 2: the hunting public.

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Speaker 3: He is a die hard deer hunter.

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Speaker 2: He has had success and experience all across the country,

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Speaker 2: oftentimes hunting brand new places, hunting public heavily pressured tough spots,

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Speaker 2: and getting the job done. So Ted has a lot

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Speaker 2: to share here, an interesting perspective, I think, in something

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Speaker 2: that all of us can learn from, whether we're hunting

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Speaker 2: you know, big pieces of public land or our own

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Speaker 2: back forty or something in between. Lots of good stuff,

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Speaker 2: very actionable information. So two very quick housekeeping things before

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Speaker 2: we get to my chat with Ted. Number one, if

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Speaker 2: the Back forty Podcast is hosted by my friend Jake Hoefer,

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Speaker 2: and each one of those episodes he asks one specific

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Speaker 3: So it's a very.

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Speaker 2: Interesting format, really interesting people that share their perspectives. Definitely

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Speaker 2: go check that out. The first two episodes should be

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Speaker 2: out by now if you're listening to this here at

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Speaker 2: the beginning of August.

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Speaker 2: further ado, let's get to the what would you Do

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Speaker 2: Gauntlet with Ted Zangery.

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Speaker 3: All Right, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Ted, Hey, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for this one because, well, for two reasons.

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Speaker 2: Number one, this is our first what would you Do

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Speaker 2: episode of the year, and we've been doing these for

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Speaker 2: maybe five years now, and it kind of symbolizes like

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Speaker 2: the real kickoff of like hunting seasons coming soon. August

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Speaker 2: is here, the full blown ramp up is an effect,

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Speaker 2: So it's exciting from that perspective.

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Speaker 3: And then number two, it's.

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Speaker 2: Exciting because while you have been on the Wired Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 2: it was with my buddy Tony and not me, So

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Speaker 2: this is our first time getting to do a show together.

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Speaker 2: So I'm excited we get to chat. I appreciate you

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Speaker 2: coming out here do this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, this would be good to get the

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Speaker 4: So getting ready to get into it exactly.

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Speaker 2: And so you know what the format is that the

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Speaker 2: plan here is that I'm just gonna throw you in

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Speaker 2: So so that's the point, are you ready to run

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Speaker 2: I think that sounds good to me.

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Speaker 2: So here's one that I think is kind of in

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Speaker 2: the way you guys spend your year. So imagine that

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Speaker 2: this year you are gonna hunt Ohio. You've got in

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Speaker 2: a November hunt. But you've never been to this place before,

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Speaker 2: say sometime this month, in August, you're able to carve

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Speaker 2: How exactly would you best use that kind of twelve

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Speaker 2: You've got twelve hours of daylight.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd probably obviously beforehand, I do a bunch of

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Speaker 3: So given that you only have one day, but you're

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Speaker 2: How many spots like that would you try to have?

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Speaker 5: I'd try and find as many as I could, But

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Speaker 4: Like, oh, this looks this looks good.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't look like it's real obvious to get in there,

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Speaker 4: That would be a spot.

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Speaker 5: Maybe I don't dive in there right away, but i'd

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Speaker 2: I guess what percent of that day do you think

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Speaker 3: Is that like fifty of the day quarter of the day.

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Speaker 2: I asked this because I think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: But a lot of times, you know, folks like you know,

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Speaker 4: I'd probably I'd say probably fifty.

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Speaker 5: Would be driving around at the very least, I think,

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Speaker 5: Like if you can cover it from daylight till noon, say,

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Speaker 5: dive into and put boots on the ground and scout.

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Speaker 5: So I'd probably drive around until I covered the whole thing,

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Speaker 5: and then you never really know what that's going to uncover.

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Speaker 5: I feel like a lot of times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so true.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Let's imagine we are we're hunting. Season's open and

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Speaker 2: it's an out of state hunt opening.

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Speaker 3: Week of the sea. You're there for a week.

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Speaker 2: This is mixed private ag ground, so like think like

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Speaker 2: alfalfa or soybeans, something green on the neighboring private the

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Speaker 2: public land is river bottom ground.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: The hiccup, like the kind of wrench thrown into your plans, though,

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Speaker 2: is that you can't hunt the first few days of

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Speaker 2: How would you approach your first few hunts on this

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Speaker 5: I'd probably say saying it's three weeks in or not

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Speaker 4: What's that?

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Speaker 4: But then from there, once I.

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Speaker 4: Get deep in their ways.

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Speaker 4: And then once I find.

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Speaker 5: I think if you do that and you just kind

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Speaker 5: I think that's a lot of times we have some

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Speaker 2: So what if let's throw one more curveball in there.

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's say that you have hunted this piece before.

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Speaker 2: You hunted it the year before, but you hunted it

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Speaker 2: like mid September, so we're imagining this is like opening

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Speaker 3: We'll see. So you've hunted it in mid.

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Speaker 2: they're moving more. So I guess what I'm getting at

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Speaker 2: is if you knew where they were bedded, would you

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Speaker 4: I think it might.

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Speaker 5: I think it might change things a little bit. Depends

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Speaker 5: had three days to hunt it, and I'm like, I

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Speaker 5: Because a lot of times, like early in the season,

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Speaker 5: But these ridges are like super super long, so long

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Speaker 5: To where the buck ended up being at and where

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Speaker 5: And so it was me, Keith and Gregg and we

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Speaker 4: Just screw the boodchier right?

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Speaker 4: And then we ended up getting him.

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Speaker 5: But that was That's one that is pretty similar to

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Speaker 5: It's hard because it's a hard decision to make a

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Speaker 4: The bubble of where we think he's at.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And uh so, I really I really like hunting

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Speaker 2: I think if you have that situation that like, let's

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Speaker 3: You're just not quite far enough. So now day three,

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Speaker 3: you show back up.

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Speaker 2: It's a Friday, and there's a truck of the parking

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00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 2: lot and it's kind of let's just say, like it's

441
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: the kind of public land that in your head you're thinking, man,

442
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: it's gonna be really hard to get back to where

443
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 2: I want to go without having to walk past this guy.

444
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 2: Either this guy is in there or he's gonna be

445
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 2: somewhere that I'm gonna have to walk right past or

446
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: in that zone. You know, would you say I'm going

447
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: for it anyways.

448
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 3: Or would you be would you bow out.

449
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 5: M I'd probably I'd probably be trying to figure out

450
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 5: a way to get in there. Yeah, hopefully not walk

451
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 5: right underneath the guy. But if I had to, you know,

452
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 5: if there's like no other way to get in there,

453
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 5: and I might, well, he's if say the say there's

454
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 5: like this access that you're like, all right, he's gotta

455
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 5: be back, I'm gonna walk by him, then I probably

456
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 5: wouldn't do it. But h if there's another way to

457
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 5: like loop in there and get back to the stuff

458
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 5: that I'm wanting to hunt, then I would.

459
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 4: I would go for it, because you know, who knows

460
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 4: he might be.

461
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 5: He might be all the way back in there where

462
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 5: you're trying to go, or he might be just out

463
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 5: of sight out of the parking lot too. So if

464
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 5: there's a way that I think that I can get

465
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 5: in there without messing his hunt up too much, then

466
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 5: I would do it. But if I knew I was

467
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 5: gonna have to walk right underneath of him. I'd I'd

468
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 5: stay out of there, but and probably and then i'd

469
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 5: probably come back the next day or two days later

470
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 5: and just I have all the way back in there.

471
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 5: But yeah, those those can be tricky, and that's why

472
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 5: it's nerve wracking to hold up sometimes and not dive

473
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 5: all the way in. But that's just the risk you run,

474
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 5: I guess on the public.

475
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the truth. All right.

476
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: It's it's early October, and you are kind of doing

477
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 2: what you just described. You're kind of scout hunting your

478
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 2: way in, so you don't have anything pre mapped out,

479
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,479
Speaker 2: you don't have something, you don't have a tree picked out.

480
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 2: You're gonna kind of still hunt, slash scout your way

481
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 2: in until you find a.

482
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 3: Spot that looks really good. We'll say we're.

483
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 2: In like like Illinois, Missouri kind of location, okay, and

484
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 2: you're working your way through and you spot a buck

485
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 2: standing up in a brushy draw definitely looks like some

486
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 2: brushy kind of bedding cover.

487
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: He's standing up.

488
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 2: He seems like, man, this could be a situation where

489
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: I could move in closer, but he beds right back down,

490
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 2: and as you start working your way towards him, you

491
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: realize that the wind's a little bit swirling. Let's say

492
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 2: it's kind of in a low spot and you're just

493
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: noticing the winds doing some funky stuff. What do you

494
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: do in that scenario? Would you try to make a

495
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 2: move on that deer right then and there? Or does

496
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 2: that does that kind of if you wind make you

497
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 2: be more conservative and make you want to do something different?

498
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:32,959
Speaker 3: How would you approach it?

499
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 2: And then let me let me paint just a little

500
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: bit more of the picture while you think, imagine he's

501
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 2: he's in this kind of low, brushy draw you saw

502
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: him bed down. I'm imagining like like briars, alders, willows

503
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: like that kind of just like kind of brushy low stuff.

504
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 2: And you've got like a couple different low rages that

505
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: kind of all drop down to this slight depression. So

506
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 2: you've got some hard woods and then this brushy stuff

507
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: down there on the bottom where you just saw him

508
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: drop it, and maybe some grass mixed in there.

509
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 3: That's your That's as best as I can give you.

510
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 5: Okay, let's see what time What time frame was it?

511
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 3: First week of October? First week of October?

512
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 5: All right, Yeah, I'd probably if I started, Let's say

513
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 5: I start diving down in there, and I'm starting to

514
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 5: get a little bit closer down into the hole that

515
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 5: he's in, and the wind starts getting a little funky

516
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 5: on me, I would I would probably back up. I

517
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 5: would for sure back up to wherever I got a

518
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 5: good solid wind, whatever direction it is, say it's back

519
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 5: in my face at that point, and then from there

520
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 5: I would take a second and just look at the

521
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 5: whole situation, and I would take as much time as

522
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 5: I needed to try and figure out how to get

523
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 5: in there wherever I think he's going to come out at.

524
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 5: I'd probably even look at the map. Even though I'm

525
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 5: looking at the deer, I still look at the map

526
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 5: a bunch and think about, all right, where's he going

527
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 5: to go from?

528
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 4: Right here? Is he going to come out?

529
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 5: I think he's gonna come out to the north east,

530
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 5: whatever it may be. And then I would then that's

531
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 5: when I would make my make my move on him,

532
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 5: where I would probably early October, I'd probably want to

533
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 5: get within one hundred yards if I could, or closer,

534
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 5: depending on the situation. If I could find a spot,

535
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 5: say I could find a spot where maybe I just

536
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 5: keep bouncing a little bit and out of sight of him,

537
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 5: and then I eventually find a spot where all right,

538
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 5: the wind is coming right up this draw and it's

539
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 5: probably gonna hold all the way up this draw.

540
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 4: Then maybe I'd have a better.

541
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 5: Chance of just kind of easing straight down at him

542
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 5: and getting as close as I could. But that's the

543
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 5: thing whenever you and that's where they're at a lot

544
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 5: of times, wherever the wind is just doing like this.

545
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 5: So uh, but that's also a fun situation to be

546
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 5: and if you have one spotted, then you can just

547
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 5: kind of, if you have enough time before he gets

548
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 5: up and gets out of there, just take a step

549
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 5: back and try and figure it out. I guess that's

550
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 5: the funniest part I think about hunting, and everything is

551
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 5: just all the strategy and like the chess match that

552
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 5: goes into it of stuff like that.

553
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 4: But in that situation, I'd for sure, especially.

554
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 5: If I'm on an out of state hunt and I

555
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 5: got eyes on a buck down in this bottom, I'd

556
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 5: be trying to do whatever I could to get within

557
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 5: killing destined of them.

558
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 4: I guess.

559
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: So it's okay, so you're throwing milkweed or something, checking

560
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: wind all the way, you get to a spot where, like, hey,

561
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: I actually think the wind might work here. You find

562
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: your spot that you just describe, which is as close

563
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: as you can get.

564
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: But here's something that I've often debated.

565
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: When you're in the situation where you know there's a

566
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: buck better than there and it's kind of low brushy stuff,

567
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: right so you can't see him right now, But if you.

568
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: Get higher, can he see you?

569
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: I'm always I'm wondering at this point, do I just

570
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: hun the ground or do I try to slip in

571
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: some sticks and staddle and get up in the tree

572
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: and give myself a slightly better position or slightly you know,

573
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: you know, just better circumstances. Would you risk trying to

574
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: get up in a tree in that situation or just

575
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: stay on the ground and make sure that there's no

576
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: chance he sees you.

577
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 5: In that situation, I'd probably be staying on the ground,

578
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 5: I think. But that's that's the thing. It's like hard,

579
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 5: you know, if you're not actually looking at the whole deal.

580
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 5: I would it would be hard to decide what you're

581
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 5: gonna do.

582
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 4: But I would.

583
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 5: I feel like I would probably stay on the ground

584
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 5: because I would I feel like i'd be maneuvering around

585
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 5: as much as I.

586
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 4: Needed to find the spot that I thought would work.

587
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 5: Like I'm imagining he's in this bowl right here, but

588
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 5: you got these little finger hedges that are kind of

589
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 5: dropping down all the way around pretty much, and that's

590
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 5: where I'd be like trying to figure out. I'd be

591
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 5: taking quite a bit of time, like like you said,

592
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 5: dropping milkweed, trying to find that spot where maybe there's

593
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 5: a little bit of a more steady wind as I

594
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 5: get in there closer.

595
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 4: And yeah, I think I would stay on the ground

596
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 4: because then.

597
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 5: Then if he does get up and he does something

598
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 5: a little different than what you thought, you might still

599
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 5: have a little bit of a chance to maneuver a

600
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 5: little bit, try and get in front.

601
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: Of him and.

602
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 4: Climbing up in the tree.

603
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 5: If you climb up in the tree and you're in

604
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 5: sight of him, I think then you might blow him

605
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 5: out of there before he even gets up and does

606
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 5: whatever he's gonna do. So uh, and here's another here's another.

607
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: Thought on it.

608
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 5: Say, say he gets up and does something a little

609
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 5: different than what I think, and it's like, oh boy,

610
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 5: he's gonna he's gonna walk right up there and get

611
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 5: our or something.

612
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 4: Say, if I have.

613
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 5: A chance to slip out of a drawl or something

614
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 5: and get out of there before you can can get

615
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 5: to our wind, then I would do that to you.

616
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 5: And that'd be an advantage of being on the ground

617
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 5: because then you might have another chance at him the

618
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 5: next day if he's if he's in that same spot

619
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 5: or or somewhere close.

620
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

621
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I was gonna ask. I was gonna ask

622
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: a follow up kind of similar to that I was.

623
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: I was wondering, and you know this is I've got

624
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: another question kind of around the same challenge. But but

625
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: I'm curious what you would do in this specific scenario.

626
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: Imagine you did this, You found this spot, you found

627
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: this little draw where it's kind of sucking your wind down.

628
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: You finally get that consistent wind. You set up on

629
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: the ground, you're happy with the situation. You're just counting

630
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: down and you're just waiting. It's it's three hours to dark,

631
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: it's two hours to dark, it's one hour to dark.

632
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: And now you're thinking, like any minute now, this buck's

633
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: gonna get up and this thing's gonna happen. And then

634
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: at that one hour mark, your wind, your consistent wind

635
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: isn't consistent anymore. It starts doing the swirly thing that

636
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: it was doing everywhere else. With it being the last

637
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: hour of daylight, are you like, I'm out and you

638
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: slip out of that draw some way, or do you say, well,

639
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: it's the last hour, you know, you know it is

640
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: what it is, and just play it out and see

641
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 2: what happens.

642
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: How do you handle that?

643
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 5: Mm hmm, that's that's tough. I would probably at that

644
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 5: point being if it's the last hour and I'm thinking

645
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 5: I'm in this right spot, but the wind is wrong,

646
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 5: I would probably have a hard time. I would probably

647
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 5: have a hard time leaving, But I don't necessarily think

648
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 5: leaving is would be the wrong answer.

649
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 4: Well, you know how it is.

650
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: Sometimes you get where the wind's like not always wrong,

651
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: like it's it's good for five minutes, and then five

652
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: minutes like I don't come out right now, but then

653
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: five minutes I was like, Okay, now if you came

654
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: right now, it would work, you know those.

655
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 4: Days, yeah, for sure.

656
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 5: And there there so there was one hunt I'm thinking

657
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 5: of that's real similar to this, But it was in

658
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 5: the morning and this was out in Wyoming and me

659
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 5: and Greg had spotted this buck. He walks all the

660
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 5: way down this river bottom and walk it or we

661
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 5: watch him for a long time, lays down and he's

662
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 5: like right below us, and we're.

663
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 4: Up on like this it drops off.

664
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 5: It's this big bluff, so we're like looking right down

665
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 5: at him, and uh. So we make our move and

666
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 5: get down in there, and it's the same same situation

667
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 5: you're talking about, except it's not it's not in the afternoon,

668
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 5: so I don't know when this thing's gonna get up

669
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 5: or what he's gonna do. But we slip all the

670
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 5: way in there and get to like twenty yards of him,

671
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 5: and we're sitting there and all I can see is

672
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 5: like part of his rack, just sitting there, and it's

673
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 5: moving every once in a while, just a little bit.

674
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 5: And our wind was pretty consistent, like blowing parallel to him,

675
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 5: I guess, And we sat there for a long time,

676
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 5: like a couple hours, but our wind every once in

677
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 5: a while would make like this weird flipping around, and

678
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 5: he wouldn't spook.

679
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 4: So we're like, all right, well, it must be all right.

680
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 5: It must just be kind of swirling real quick, but

681
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 5: not getting to him getting out of there, So we

682
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 5: sat there and sat there and sat there, and he

683
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 5: never got up, and all of a sudden it did

684
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 5: the same thing. And then that time he caught us

685
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 5: and he was out of there immediately. So that's like

686
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 5: that's part of it too, Like running that risk.

687
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 4: I think.

688
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 5: It's just a hard situation to make that decision, but

689
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 5: like that's the I feel like that's the difference a

690
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 5: lot sometimes is if I'm out of state and we're

691
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 5: on like the third day of the hunt at that point,

692
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 5: and we're within twenty yards of this year, but our

693
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 5: wind is kind of acting a little funky, then at

694
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 5: that point, I'm I'm sticking it out. I'm gonna see

695
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 5: if he stands up or what he does, and if

696
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 5: I can, if you just all you had to do

697
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 5: is stand up for just a few seconds and then

698
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 5: I'd probably got a good shot at him.

699
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: But at that point, yeah, I was.

700
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 5: I was in there to It was either make or

701
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 5: break at that point, and we just had one gust

702
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 5: of wind that switched on us and you got us.

703
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 5: But going back to your situation like you're talking about,

704
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 5: in that, uh, I'm probably gonna stick.

705
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 4: It out if I If I'm.

706
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 5: In there in the spot that I want to be in,

707
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 5: and our wind starts acting a little bit funky, I'd

708
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 5: probably be like, well, we're just gonna see what happens,

709
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 5: because in an hour, that wind could still switch quite

710
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 5: a bit. At that point, Yeah, like thermals might start dropping,

711
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 5: and that might screw you too, But at least you know,

712
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 5: you don't necessarily always know exactly what that wind's going

713
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 5: to do, so you might just stick it out a

714
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 5: little bit. Or I would maybe stick it out a

715
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 5: little bit longer and just see if see what what

716
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 5: might change, and maybe I can still have a chance

717
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 5: at that point, I guess.

718
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: But I feel like in these kinds of scenarios, especially

719
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: public or heavily pressure private, there are certain special scenarios

720
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: where sometimes you just got to risk it. Oh if

721
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: you have eye, if you have eyes on a good buck,

722
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: that's such a special thing, Like, oh, you don't.

723
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: Get eyes on a buck all that.

724
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 2: Often where you know, oh, he's right here, Usually you're saying,

725
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: I think he's here, right, I think he's there. But

726
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: when you know he's right there, you kind of got

727
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: to just send it.

728
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: In a lot of cases, you.

729
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 4: Got to go for it at that point.

730
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 5: I think I think the same thing like you're saying,

731
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 5: it's so hard to especially if you are watching him

732
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 5: stand up and lay back down. I mean, that's that's

733
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 5: a lot of times the best opportunity are going to

734
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 5: get So you might as well just stick it out

735
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 5: and see if you can make it happen, and that

736
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 5: that first first try at him, because chances are if you,

737
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 5: chances are if you back out of there, say, and

738
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 5: maybe he doesn't get your win right off the bat,

739
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 5: get a chance, he's gonna get up and walk out

740
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 5: of there and kind of be manning around and catch

741
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 5: your ground scent anyway and be somewhere else tomorrow. So

742
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 5: uh yeah, anytime you get in that situation, I feel

743
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 5: like you just got to try and make something work

744
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 5: and that that's that's a fun situation to be in too.

745
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, all right, I'm giving you a new one.

746
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 4: Uh.

747
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: These are are all kind of slight iterations and something

748
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: similar because I'm kind of riffing on things that you

749
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 2: guys often do.

750
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

751
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: So so again, let's let's say you're in Pennsylvania this

752
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: time mid October, and again you're you're working some relatively

753
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 2: new stuff. Like again, you're not hunting your back ford it.

754
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: This is like some stuff that you don't fully know.

755
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: You map scouted it, you've you've thought about it, but

756
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna You're gonna do your kind of scout your

757
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: way in stage hunt is your plan. But as you

758
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: walk through, everything's kind of the same. There's like there's

759
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 2: a little rub here, there's a scrape here, there's some

760
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: trails here, but you know, let's stay. You start at noon,

761
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: and from noon to one it's still kind of that,

762
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: and from one to three it's still kind of there's

763
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 2: a little bit here, a little bit here. But nothing

764
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: is screaming. Nothing is like oh yes, Like you're not

765
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: bumping a bunch of doughs like you said earlier.

766
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 3: You're not coming.

767
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 2: Across the red hot, huge scrape on the edge of

768
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: nasty thick cover. It's just kind of like open hardwoods,

769
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: some mixed cover here and there. But nothing screams, you know,

770
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 2: screams like stop. Would you just keep scouting your way

771
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: in all the way till dark or will it be

772
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 2: like the last hour daylight? And you're finally like, all right, well,

773
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: nothing seems good. I'm just gonna sit and watch for

774
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: the last hour, like how would you handle that scenario

775
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: where you scout and never find the oh, flashing red

776
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: light stop here situation.

777
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 5: In that situation, I would probably like I would keep

778
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 5: going until like probably an hour before dark or something.

779
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 5: If I'm not finding exactly what I want to find

780
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 5: or whatever something that says, yeah, I better stop, I'd

781
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 5: probably just keep going and tell about an hour before dark,

782
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 5: and then I might just set up and just see

783
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 5: what happens, and maybe you just get lucky and catch

784
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 5: some deer movement at that point, because I mean, if

785
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 5: you're finding sign all the way up through somewhere and

786
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 5: maybe it's not anything crazy, I mean, there's probably good

787
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 5: amount of deer around, so you might as well just

788
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 5: set up and just see what happens, rather than just

789
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 5: keep walking and then next thing you know, you walk

790
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 5: up on a buck and blow.

791
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 4: Them out of there.

792
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 5: So I would probably just, yeah, scout until hour before dark,

793
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 5: and maybe I found a scrape.

794
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 4: Or a rub or whatever it may be.

795
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 5: I'd just set up on that and just kind of

796
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 5: see what happened and then and then regroup for the

797
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 5: next day and and try and figure out what I

798
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 5: what do I.

799
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 4: Want where do I want to adjust? To or what

800
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 4: do I want to do for the next day or two.

801
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 5: But I feel like we run into that situation a

802
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 5: lot too, where it's like, especially out of state, where

803
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 5: you're like you keep walking and walking and walking, and

804
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 5: you're like nothing is making me want to stop. And

805
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 5: that's a hard situation to decide what to do, where

806
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 5: you're just like and at that point you're so frustrated

807
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 5: you've been walking or something, you're like, let's just let's

808
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 5: just throw up and stand and sit here, or just

809
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 5: sit on the ground and just see what happens. Yeah,

810
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 5: I mean, okay, So another scenario where I ran into

811
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 5: that same pretty much the same exact thing that you

812
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 5: just described. I ran into that last year in at Iowa,

813
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 5: and I had been running trail or cell cameras all fall,

814
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 5: and at this point it's like November third or something,

815
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 5: so I mean, things are really going at that point.

816
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 5: And I was me and Walker, who I was hunting with,

817
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 5: we were not doing that well at that point. We

818
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 5: were like, could not get on deer. We were like

819
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 5: chasing cell cameras around get a big picture of a

820
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 5: big buck over here, and I'd be like, oh, we

821
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 5: got to go try that just like spread myself way

822
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 5: too thin where I'm like, oh, I'm gonna go hunt

823
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 5: over here, and then the next day I'm gonna go

824
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 5: hunt twenty miles over this way in a completely different

825
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 5: piece of public. So when this scenario came up, I

826
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 5: had pretty much just totally wrote off all the pictures

827
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 5: that I'd gotten or anything. I'm like, I'm not hunting

828
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 5: around cameras, not doing any of that. I'm just getting

829
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 5: We're going to go into this piece of public that

830
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 5: we hadn't hunted at that point in the fall.

831
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 4: But I was like, We're just going to scout.

832
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 5: Away into it and see what happens, because we got

833
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 5: to just try something different at this point, basically, And

834
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 5: that was the situation that we walked in there.

835
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 4: There was this big ridge system.

836
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 5: Found like a little tiny rub here, found another little

837
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 5: rub over here, like.

838
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,959
Speaker 4: Not much really, and.

839
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 5: It was to a point where I was just like

840
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 5: so frustrated I couldn't find we did, weren't finding anything

841
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 5: that I was like, all right, yeah, let's set up

842
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 5: on this. And so I just ended up sitting down

843
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 5: on the ground up against his tree and it was

844
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 5: this huge bowl that kind of ran down. So we

845
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 5: could see good ways down through there, and it was

846
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 5: only forty minutes till dark, and it was cloudy that day,

847
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 5: so it was probably less than that even and I

848
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 5: just sat down on a tree and we just kind

849
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 5: of sat there and took a break, and it was like,

850
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 5: all right, well, probably not going to kill a deer tonight,

851
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 5: so he might as well just sit down and just

852
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 5: see what happens, and we probably not can see anything.

853
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 4: We'll probably just walk out and regroup tomorrow.

854
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 5: So we sit down and like five minutes goes by

855
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 5: and I look up and there's this huge buck standing

856
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 5: down in the clear, down in the bottom of the bowl,

857
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 5: and I'm like, holy crap, walker, I'm like, there's a

858
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 5: big buck down here. And we just sit there and

859
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 5: I don't know what this buck was doing or anything,

860
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 5: but I mean, he just was. He stood up and

861
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 5: then he laid back down, and that was the whole

862
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 5: rest of the afternoon. There was only like twenty minutes

863
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 5: or something of daylight at that point.

864
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 4: And yeah, he just kind of laid there.

865
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 5: I don't know if he had been shot or what.

866
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 5: That's kind of what I thought after, but anyway, that

867
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 5: don't necessarily matter. But that's the situation that we were in,

868
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 5: Like we weren't finding anything that, you know, really tipped

869
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 5: us off to all right, we gotta sit right here.

870
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 5: And I think sometimes that's the best thing you can do,

871
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 5: just kind of sit down wherever. I mean, ideally you'd

872
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 5: make an actual setup. At that point, we were just

873
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 5: sitting up against a tree, but I just looked down

874
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 5: and there was a big Bucks standing there, and I'm like,

875
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 5: you know, there's obviously some deer around at that point,

876
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 5: but nothing like scorching hot. And then the next day

877
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 5: we went in there same spot, didn't set up in

878
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 5: the same exact spot, but in the same general area,

879
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 5: and we saw quite a few deer the next day.

880
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 5: I mean, we saw a couple of little bucks, quite

881
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 5: a few dos, and so pretty decent hunt, I guess

882
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 5: the next day.

883
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 4: But those are always some of them. It was frustrating.

884
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 5: Situations that I feel like I'll get in where you

885
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 5: just walk and walk and walk, and you just find

886
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 5: in these little tiny rubs or whatever, nothing too crazy.

887
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 5: And I think if you're committed to that spot for

888
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 5: that afternoon, I think that's the best thing you can do.

889
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 5: If you get down to the last hour hour and

890
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 5: a half daylight, just make it, make a decent setup

891
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 5: and see what happens, and maybe you'll learn something from that,

892
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 5: or you might see it, might see some deer, so.

893
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: Or just practice some some zen self talk and try

894
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: to calm yourself down from the frustration the day.

895
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably the.

896
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 5: Best thing you can do anyway, because otherwise you're going

897
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 5: to be your mind's going to be in a whirlwind

898
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 5: for the next day. If you can sit down and yeah,

899
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 5: look at the map and try and at that point

900
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 5: just start coming up with a game plan for the

901
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 5: next day.

902
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: A lot of times, but yeah, regroup a little bit.

903
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it.

904
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 5: I don't think it hurts in those situations, just to

905
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 5: make some sort of setup and just see what happens, and.

906
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, never know what what might go down.

907
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: All right, So remember that first question I gave you

908
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: about having one day in August to go and do

909
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 2: like a twelve hour scout, right, Uh So let's let's

910
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 2: go back there. Let's say you did that one day

911
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: of scouting and it was amazing, Like when you walked

912
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: through there, you were bumping deer all over the place.

913
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: You bumped a one seventy.

914
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 3: Off a bed.

915
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: You saw just ripped up old rubs from the year before.

916
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: You found just like scorched earth, incredible looking activity. And

917
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: you knew, like, man, when I come back in November,

918
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: this place is going to be amazing. You drove around

919
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: the last hour of daylight in the fields and the

920
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 2: surrounding agg and you saw a lot of deer, You.

921
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: Saw a bunch of good bucks.

922
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: Everything you could possibly ask for you saw in that

923
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: day of scouting. All Right, you return in November, first

924
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: week in November, and you pull up to that first

925
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: parking lot that you looked at in August.

926
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 3: There's three cars there.

927
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: You pull up to the second car or the second

928
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: parking lot, there's a car there. You go to the

929
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: third parking lot, there's a car there. There's two guys

930
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: getting out some portable tree stands on the back tailgate

931
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: of one of those trucks. Everywhere you go, you're seeing people.

932
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 2: Is that enough to like say, screw it, I'm gonna

933
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: go to some other property that we didn't get scouted

934
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: this summer? Or would you I guess, or what would

935
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 2: you do? What would you do in this scenario where

936
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 2: the scouting was so exciting. You had such high hopes,

937
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: but now you arrive and there's people everywhere.

938
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 5: At that point, I'm probably I'm probably gonna I'd probably

939
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 5: back out and go somewhere else that I hadn't scouted,

940
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 5: maybe something that looks kind of similar to the have

941
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 5: tet that I did scout where I found all that

942
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 5: real good sign, but also I could see myself you say,

943
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 5: I did see all them people or whatever. I might

944
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 5: still try and find a little spot here or there

945
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 5: where I could slip in and just try it for

946
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 5: a day and just see what happens. Especially if there's

947
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 5: like you're saying, there's deer all over the place. I

948
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 5: would still probably do a little bit of driving around

949
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 5: looking for a spot where maybe there's not somebody at,

950
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 5: or you know, just like a little pocketed ground where

951
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 5: I guess, yeah, where there's not somebody at and just

952
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 5: try it. But then that would be one where I

953
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 5: might try it for an afternoon, and if I don't

954
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 5: see some action or whatever, then I'm pulling the plug

955
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 5: probably pretty quick. But it's it is hard sometimes when

956
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 5: you find a spot that you're so excited about and

957
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 5: then you get back there and and then you just

958
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 5: got to be like, well, this probably isn't isn't the

959
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 5: best spot, so I'm just gonna bounce and head to

960
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 5: the next spot. But yeah, that that's probably what I

961
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 5: would do a lot of times. I mean, I feel

962
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 5: like the more you do it where it's like you

963
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 5: go on these hunts out of state and maybe you're

964
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 5: in a spot and you're just like hunting one day

965
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 5: after the next and not seeing what you want to see,

966
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 5: and you'll just get to a point where you're like,

967
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 5: all right, yep, it's time to pull the plug. And

968
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 5: a lot of times that's an exciting thing to do,

969
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 5: I think, because I feel like a lot of the

970
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 5: times will be you know, in this cycle of hunting

971
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 5: the same spot, not the same exact spot, but the

972
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 5: same public areas, say, and it's just not quite working,

973
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 5: and then you say, all right, time to time to

974
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 5: head to the next spot. And I feel like a

975
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 5: lot of times that's when you that's when things turn

976
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 5: around for you.

977
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 4: On that trip. Because we do that all the time

978
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 4: where we'll kind of.

979
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 5: Get married to a spot right off the bat and

980
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 5: you're like, oh, this is gonna work, this is gonna work,

981
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 5: this is gonna work, and then it just doesn't and

982
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 5: doesn't doesn't.

983
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 4: And then you're like, all right, gotta go.

984
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, and uh, I mean, I'm thinking in Oklahoma a

985
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 5: couple of years ago, me and Jake, we're hunting this spot.

986
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 5: Everything looked really good, a lot of deer around, but

987
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 5: also a lot of people. And this was November time frame,

988
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 5: like first week or two November, and we were hunting.

989
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 5: Jake had actually shot a buck in that piece of

990
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 5: public that we started at, and we were seeing you know,

991
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 5: decent bucks here and there, but then we'd run into

992
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 5: people and we'd run into people, and then eventually we

993
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 5: were like, let's just ditch, just go try and find

994
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 5: something else. So we found ended up we were driving

995
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 5: like a long ways across the state. We were just

996
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 5: gonna go clear across the states some other some real

997
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 5: small chunks, and on the way there there was a

998
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 5: tiny little piece of public, or it looked tiny on

999
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 5: the map. It was a decent size once you got there,

1000
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 5: but uh no trees, hardly at all. Like nothing on

1001
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 5: the map looked like trees or like a block of

1002
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 5: woods or anything like that. And we just pulled in

1003
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 5: there and got there like twenty minutes before dark and

1004
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 5: started seeing bucks left and right, and then the next

1005
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 5: day it got up and I ended up shooting one

1006
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 5: there the very next morning. So that's that's where I

1007
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 5: guess I feel like, uh like, especially if me and

1008
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 5: Jake go somewhere like that and then you're just not

1009
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 5: seeing what you want to see, or you're just not

1010
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 5: getting into quite as much as you want to. He's

1011
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 5: pick up and move and and at some point running

1012
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 5: to a spot and you're like, all right, yeah, this

1013
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 5: is this is it now?

1014
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 2: Location can make all the difference, No, for sure, Yeah

1015
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: that's the truth. All right, Let's let's riff on this

1016
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: just a little bit more, a little bit on like

1017
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 2: the dealing.

1018
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 3: With people situation.

1019
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: Let's say that we'll stick in the same spot, so,

1020
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 2: same place you scouted in the summer, same place looked incredible.

1021
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 2: Let's say you found just like that epic buck betting

1022
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 2: kind of sound like like a buck now kind of spot.

1023
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 3: And you're gonna hunt it.

1024
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: It's like late October, late October twenty third or twenty fourth.

1025
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: Let's say that's when you return for this strip, first

1026
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: time hunting it. You've got incredibly high hopes for it.

1027
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: There's not a bunch of trucks at the parking lot

1028
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: this time. So let's pretend that that last scenario didn't happen.

1029
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: So instead, you show up on the twenty fourth for

1030
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 2: the first time, no other trucks, The buck nest or

1031
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: whatever looks.

1032
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 3: Like, Man, this is gonna be great.

1033
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 2: You slip in, you get tight, relatively tight to it,

1034
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 2: sky high.

1035
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 3: This is it.

1036
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 2: And three hours before dark, here comes another hunter and

1037
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 2: he goes past you, even closer to the buck bedding.

1038
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 3: Let's say like you can't see. Let's say like there's

1039
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: a little bit of a.

1040
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: Gap between where you are and where you think those

1041
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 2: bucks are. He walks by withinside of you and goes

1042
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 2: past you. What do you do in that scenario?

1043
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 3: Do you hunt it? Do you bail and go try

1044
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 3: to find something new?

1045
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 4: If I'm already you're saying up in there.

1046
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 2: Yep, you're in a tree. Let's say you're up in

1047
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 2: your saddle and he goes past you. It goes deeper

1048
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: than you, but you know that he went right into

1049
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 2: the hole. He's in there somewhere.

1050
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 5: I'm probably I'm probably gonna hunt it for at that point,

1051
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 5: I'm gonna stay in there and just see what happens,

1052
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 5: because maybe he walks in there and bumps one out

1053
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 5: of there and it comes right by me. But yeah,

1054
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 5: I'd probably stay in there at that point for at

1055
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 5: least a little bit longer, a couple hours or whatever,

1056
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 5: and just try it. But then if I'm just sitting

1057
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 5: there and just can't get that guy going in there

1058
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 5: out of my mind, then at that point I would

1059
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 5: probably be like, I, uh, let's go try something different.

1060
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 5: I don't like that at that point. But if he

1061
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 5: walked in there, yeah, I'd probably sit it it didn't

1062
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 5: work out, then then at that point that's when i'd regroup.

1063
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 5: After maybe a couple hours, especially if it's getting to

1064
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 5: that time of the year, like October twenty fourth, then

1065
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 5: I would I'd be more likely to stick stick it

1066
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 5: out in there for a little bit longer and just

1067
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 5: see what happens, because you never know, and him walking

1068
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 5: in there maybe that works to your advantage.

1069
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 4: I guess, uh yeah, but yeah, But.

1070
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 5: Then at that point, if it didn't work out, if

1071
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 5: I was there for the whole rest of the afternoon

1072
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 5: and he had walked in there past me, then I

1073
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 5: probably wouldn't be coming back. I'd probably I'd probably climb

1074
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 5: down and make an adjustment, go somewhere else, try something different.

1075
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 3: At that point, yep, makes sense.

1076
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 2: All right, Let's fast forward back to the rut and

1077
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: you are set up in a location that is just

1078
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 2: screaming hot with rut sign, fresh rubs, fresh scrapes, and

1079
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: you ran this terrific little like terrain pinch point. Maybe

1080
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: it's a saddle and a ridge and there's a creek crossing,

1081
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 2: and there's several different things that make this seem like

1082
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: a dyamite rut spot. You sit it the entire day,

1083
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 2: don't see a single deer. Day two, you go back

1084
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 2: and keep hunting it, or because everything else looks so great,

1085
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 2: or is a full day with zero deer enough for

1086
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: you to say, screw this, I'm looking for something new.

1087
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 4: Mmmm. That's I would probably I would.

1088
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 5: I would probably want to try it again, especially if

1089
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 5: I was in there didn't see anybody else, then I

1090
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 5: would want to try it again.

1091
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 4: If I if I.

1092
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 5: Was in there and then let's say I saw somebody

1093
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 5: else walking by me or something like that, and I

1094
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 5: didn't see any deer, then yeah, I'd probably be bailing out,

1095
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 5: going trying something different, trying to find the action but yeah,

1096
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 5: if I if there was a bunch of sign in there,

1097
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 5: I'd be trying that spot again. Maybe not that exact spot,

1098
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 5: but I would. I would be coming back back in

1099
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 5: there the next day and uh maybe hunt that same

1100
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 5: spot in the morning, the same tree even And if

1101
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 5: that that didn't work out, then I'd be getting down

1102
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 5: and doing some walking around in there looking for the

1103
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 5: next setup that I think would work and try that.

1104
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 5: And I think that's I think that's the whole thing

1105
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 5: about the rut too. Like if you're in a spot

1106
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 5: like that where there's tons of sign and you're not

1107
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 5: seeing really good action, or maybe not really good action,

1108
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 5: but you're not seeing a little bit of action, you

1109
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 5: gotta get down and and go try and find it

1110
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 5: because otherwise, I mean, that's that's what happened to us

1111
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 5: this year, same thing. Like I me and Walker scattered

1112
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 5: this spot one day and it was like October twenty ninth.

1113
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 5: Tons of sign in there, crazy, I mean, like rubs

1114
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 5: and scrapes everywhere coming right out of this block of

1115
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 5: thick covered and I'm like, yeah, I mean we were

1116
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 5: both standing there like this is the spot, but we

1117
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 5: didn't hunt it that day because it was super warm

1118
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 5: that afternoon, and I wanted to just bounce around and

1119
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 5: find a bunch of different spots to go back to

1120
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 5: because we were about to have some really good weather

1121
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 5: coming up. So I'm like, all right, let's just scout

1122
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 5: find spots, mark spots, and won't come back and hunt them.

1123
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 5: So I hang a trail camera in there that afternoon,

1124
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 5: and right at dark, two big bucks come right in

1125
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 5: front of the trail camera, which is.

1126
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 4: Right where I would have set up.

1127
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 5: If I didn't hang the camera there, I would have

1128
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 5: just set up there hunted on that trail that they

1129
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 5: walked out on. So the next day we go in there,

1130
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 5: hunt it the whole day, and we saw one small

1131
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 5: buck all day I think, and had one guy while

1132
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 5: in on us.

1133
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 4: Before daylight. So that's the spot.

1134
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 5: That was going through my mind as you were going

1135
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 5: through that situation, I guess. And so at that point,

1136
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 5: I'm like, that was a hard spot for me to leave,

1137
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 5: to pick up and leave because I had just gotten

1138
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 5: two really nice bucks on here the day before. So

1139
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 5: we hunted all day, don't see anything, and I think,

1140
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 5: I want to say, we went back in there the

1141
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 5: next morning and try it one more time, and didn't

1142
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 5: see nothing. And then from there we were like, all right, nope,

1143
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 5: we're pulling the plug on this.

1144
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 4: We're not coming back. And kind of the.

1145
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 5: Crazy thing is I didn't hardly have anything on that

1146
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 5: trail camera either after that. So but in that situation,

1147
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 5: what we did was we backed out after giving it

1148
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 5: a full day and then next morning or something like that,

1149
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 5: and then we just started bouncing around either in the car,

1150
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 5: in the boat, whatever, and then we started getting back

1151
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 5: on deer after that.

1152
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 4: So that was once.

1153
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 5: That was one scenario where it was like, uh, I

1154
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 5: mean crazy good sign in there, just had picture of

1155
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 5: two bucks go through there the day before, hunted it

1156
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 5: for the whole next day, next morning, whatever, and just

1157
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 5: it was just completely dead in there. And then that's

1158
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 5: when we pulled the plug after that. But that was hard.

1159
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 5: I remember that being really hard for me to be like,

1160
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 5: all right, we got to go try something else because

1161
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 5: this wasn't it wasn't working.

1162
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 4: So but yeah, what about.

1163
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 3: A slight variation on that.

1164
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 2: Let's say like you've got this amazing spot and you

1165
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: go in there and you set up and let's say

1166
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 2: it's like it's like a tight kind of location where

1167
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: you because of the creek crossing. Because of the way

1168
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 2: the funnels, you really feel confident, like, man, if a

1169
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: deer comes through here, he's gonna come through here at

1170
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 2: the X. And so you set up in range of

1171
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: the X, and it's kind of a funky tree to

1172
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 2: get up into, but once you're up in there, it's

1173
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 2: like great cover, perfect shooting range of the AX. Like

1174
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 2: you are feeling very very confident. The sign is incredible.

1175
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 2: But as the day progresses, let's say the first couple

1176
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 2: hours of daylight, you see a bunch of deer and

1177
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 2: three bucks all come through, but they're all like twenty

1178
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 2: yards out of range.

1179
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 3: For whatever reason, you felt like the X.

1180
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 2: That you thought was where they would all be, they're

1181
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 2: just doing something slightly off of that, and they're you know,

1182
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 2: they're out at fifty yards every single time. These three

1183
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: bucks that all came through at different times, they're all

1184
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 2: just out of range.

1185
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 3: Do you move in any kind of way.

1186
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 2: After the first few hours or do you say, wow,

1187
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 2: you know this is this still should work eventually?

1188
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 3: Do you stick it out?

1189
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 2: Do you shift your location by twenty yards or what

1190
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 2: do you do in that scenario after you've seen three

1191
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 2: bucks pass through just out of range, even though everything

1192
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 2: else looks so good.

1193
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 5: That at that point, yeah, I'd be getting down and

1194
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 5: moving over there.

1195
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 4: Wherever I'd seen them all going through, I'd be If

1196
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 4: I saw a coup, it would probably be one or

1197
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 4: two or two or three bucks.

1198
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 5: If they two or three bucks went through the same spot, yeah,

1199
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 5: I'd be climbing down and getting over.

1200
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 4: There for for the rest of the day. Probably.

1201
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 5: But uh yeah, which that's a good that's a great

1202
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 5: scenario to be in too. I think like, even if

1203
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 5: you are sitting there thinking how they should come right

1204
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 5: through here, then you see several of them do the

1205
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 5: same thing, it's like, oh yeah, I'm getting right over

1206
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 5: there and sitting it out. And then that's when you'd

1207
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 5: move over there, and then you'd hear something behind you

1208
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 5: and you'd look back and one be walking right.

1209
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 4: That's exactly what true.

1210
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, that's so true.

1211
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,439
Speaker 2: When when would you make that move? Would you let's say,

1212
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 2: like the third buck moves through. In your head, you're like, okay,

1213
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 2: I gotta move, but it's nine o'clock. Do you move,

1214
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 2: like as soon as that bucks out of sight, I'm

1215
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 2: doing it right away? Or are you gonna wait till

1216
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 2: a certain time of day when you think the least

1217
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: do your activity is going to be your when do

1218
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: you decide to pull that plug and actually physically tear

1219
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 2: everything down.

1220
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 5: I I would probably as soon as that third buck

1221
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 5: went through, I'd probably be climbing down as fast as

1222
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 5: I could to get over there. I think, because and

1223
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 5: that's that's uh, yeah, that's one of those decisions where

1224
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 5: it's like you sit there and hesitate just a little bit,

1225
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 5: and you're like, should I move or should I not?

1226
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,959
Speaker 5: It'd be like, I mean, it'd be hard. It's hard

1227
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 5: to make that decision to do it because any next

1228
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 5: thing you know, you're climbing down one another one's coming

1229
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 5: spook him. But I think it's I think if you

1230
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 5: especially if you see like three of them do that, Yeah,

1231
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 5: I'd be climbing down as fast as I could to

1232
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 5: get over there. And maybe you don't even maybe you

1233
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 5: don't even move over there and climb a tree if

1234
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,479
Speaker 5: you're real worried about like you say, it's like you said,

1235
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 5: nine o'clock in the morning and in the middle of

1236
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 5: the rut or something. Yeah, I would be like getting

1237
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 5: over there as fast as I could, and maybe I

1238
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 5: wouldn't even climb a tree at that point, because because

1239
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 5: that's another situation where it's like then you're leaving yourself.

1240
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 5: As long as it takes you to climb the tree

1241
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 5: and get everything set up, that's even more time that

1242
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 5: you're taking to not be ready to shoot one if

1243
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 5: it walks down that trail. So I'd just be probably

1244
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 5: getting over there and trying to find a set up

1245
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 5: on the ground somewhere to where I don't have to

1246
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 5: mess around with anything, you know, the least amount of

1247
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 5: time as I could. I'd just dive in there and

1248
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 5: get ready to to shoot.

1249
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 4: The next one that walked down to there.

1250
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, that makes sense, That makes sense. All right, Ted,

1251
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 2: We're gonna shift to the last little section of this gunlet,

1252
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 2: which is which is like a quick rapid fire session here.

1253
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm gonna give you a question.

1254
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 2: You have to give me your like gut instinct answer

1255
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 2: one word answers only, and then we're gonna run through

1256
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 2: like five of these real.

1257
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 4: Quick one word all right.

1258
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So I'll give you like an option this

1259
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 3: or this, and then you choose. All right, so does

1260
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 3: the moon impact deer movement?

1261
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 4: Yes? Or no? Uh? I have.

1262
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 5: Honestly, I have no idea, so.

1263
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 4: I really don't know.

1264
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 5: I've paid attention to it. I know this isn't a

1265
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 5: one word answer, but I've paid attention to it a

1266
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 5: little bit, but not enough to actually have my opinion

1267
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 5: on it where I'm like, oh, oh, yeah for sure

1268
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 5: or no.

1269
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 4: I think maybe yeah, but I don't know for sure.

1270
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 4: That's the thing though. Here's the thing.

1271
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 5: I don't ever pay attention to it because I'm gonna

1272
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 5: go I'm lucky to do what I do, so I'm like,

1273
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 5: I'm going hunting every day anyway, so I never really

1274
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 5: pay that much attention to it. I think if I

1275
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 5: had limited time to hunt, I would pay a lot

1276
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 5: more attention to it, just because I think that might

1277
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,439
Speaker 5: give me an advantage of I'm gonna take this day

1278
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 5: to get out there and hunt or whatever. If there's

1279
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 5: these if there is a moon phase that's going through

1280
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 5: that looks good, you know, if I've seen that work before.

1281
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 5: But yeah, I just don't pay attention to it enough

1282
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 5: to say yes or no. I guess all right, I'll

1283
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 5: do one word answers from now on.

1284
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 4: I'll try.

1285
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 3: You gotta free pass on that one.

1286
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: Would you take a fifty yard shot at a while,

1287
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 2: I tell with your bow yes or no?

1288
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 4: Uh? Say no?

1289
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 2: But if you if you could only have one of

1290
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,479
Speaker 2: these for the rest of your hunting life, which would

1291
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 2: you choose? You have to pick either rattling antlers or

1292
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 2: a grunt tube.

1293
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 4: Grunt tube.

1294
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 3: Spannable or fixed blade broadheads for the rest of your life?

1295
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 4: Oh, fixed blade?

1296
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 2: Should you stop a moving buck with some kind of

1297
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 2: sound before shooting?

1298
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 3: Yes? Or no?

1299
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 4: Yes?

1300
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 2: If you could pick only one of these times to scout,

1301
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 2: so you only get one of these windows for your

1302
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 2: scouting for the whole year, which would you take? You

1303
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 2: can scout like winter, spring, you can scout summer, or

1304
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 2: you can have in season. Which of those three would

1305
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 2: you pick? You can only pick one?

1306
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 4: Uh? Probably in season?

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01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.

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01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 2: If you had to get a buck killed, doesn't matter

1309
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 2: how old of a buck, doesn't matter how big a buck.

1310
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 2: But a buck has to die today and you could

1311
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 2: pick only one THHP team member to do it. So

1312
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 2: who's the one who'd give you the very best chance

1313
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 2: to get any any caliber buck but a buck dead

1314
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 2: on the ground. Who would be the team member you'd pick?

1315
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 2: They give you your best bet to get one and dead.

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01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:28,919
Speaker 5: Ah gosh, I'll say, Jake.

1317
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 3: There you go.

1318
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 4: All right.

1319
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 2: Now, here's one where you don't need to have just

1320
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 2: one word. You can give me like a full explanation here. Okay,

1321
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you that I rule the world.

1322
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 2: I have control of your hunting privileges now okay, and

1323
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 2: I'm going to take away your ability to hunt for

1324
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 2: the rest of your life unless you kill a mature

1325
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 2: buck this year. You gotta kill a mature buck this year.

1326
01:08:58,080 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 2: If you do, then you can keep on hunting. If

1327
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 2: you don't, you don't get down anymore. This is very

1328
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 2: high stakes. Here's the problem. You only get one day

1329
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 2: to do it, and you get one location to do it,

1330
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 2: like a specific ambush location like this tree or this

1331
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 2: spot on the ground or whatever. You get to pick

1332
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 2: what date on the calendar you think would give you

1333
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 2: your best chance, and then you need to describe to

1334
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 2: me what that perfect spot would be that you would

1335
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 2: want to spend this one day at to kill this

1336
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 2: very important buck.

1337
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 3: Pick your date, tell me about the spot.

1338
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 2: It can be an imaginary hypothetical spot, or you could

1339
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 2: think of an actual place that you think is amazing

1340
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 2: for that day, and.

1341
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 5: Describe that I mean, I'll tell you, I mean, I

1342
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 5: can take up one right away.

1343
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 4: It's the buck that I shot last year.

1344
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 5: Actually, it was November eights and we were in a

1345
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 5: spot where.

1346
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 4: There is.

1347
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 5: Some It was just a draw. So it was like

1348
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 5: a perfect draw. It was probably eighty yards wide, maybe

1349
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:10,600
Speaker 5: one hundred yards wide, and there was crp out on

1350
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 5: the left side and then just like some nasty thick

1351
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 5: stuff on the right side, just like honeysuckle and stuff

1352
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 5: that you pretty much just have to crawl through, and

1353
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 5: most or a lot of surrounding area was like that.

1354
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:25,759
Speaker 4: It was like a lot of.

1355
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 5: Really really thick cover, basically like stuff you think about

1356
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 5: going rabbit hunting.

1357
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:39,679
Speaker 4: And yeah, so that was the day that it was crazy.

1358
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 4: I mean we.

1359
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 5: Were seeing bucks left and right, and a couple of

1360
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 5: really big bucks and then but it was just like

1361
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 5: the perfect scenario. It was early in the morning, thermals

1362
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 5: were dropping back down behind us, and no, there wasn't

1363
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 5: a single deer that got her wind or anything like that.

1364
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,719
Speaker 5: But that would be my that would be my choice

1365
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 5: of day and and where I would sit because we've

1366
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 5: seen some deer in that spot years before too, on

1367
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 5: that same exact day.

1368
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 4: So yeah, that'd be where I go.

1369
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 3: What makes what makes that spot so incredible?

1370
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 2: Do you think it's just because of that thick, nasty

1371
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 2: cover and then kind of like a relatively tight pinch

1372
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 2: with the draw? Is it the fact that wind sucks

1373
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 2: down there?

1374
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 3: What?

1375
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 4: Like?

1376
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 3: What makes that so good? Do you think?

1377
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 4: I think that.

1378
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 5: I think that it's a spot where there's oh so

1379
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 5: much of that thick cover where I don't think, I guess,

1380
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 5: let me say here, I don't think there's bucks there

1381
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 5: all year.

1382
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 4: Round, Like, I don't even think.

1383
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 5: I don't know that there's necessarily a buck that's living

1384
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 5: there really in the season or anything, because there's not

1385
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 5: like a whole bunch of food around or anything like that.

1386
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 5: It's just tons of super super thick cover all around it.

1387
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 5: And I think there's a lot of doze in there.

1388
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 5: So I think there's doze in there probably most of

1389
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 5: the year. And then as the rut gets ramped up,

1390
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 5: since there are so many does there, uh you know,

1391
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 5: there's more does that come into heat and whatever in

1392
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 5: that specific spot, and then the bucks just kind of

1393
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 5: have these little travel spots that they kind of work through.

1394
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 5: And yeah, so I'm trying to think about it even

1395
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 5: further further in detail than that, But I think that's

1396
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 5: the main thing. Just like tons of doze in.

1397
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 4: There, not a.

1398
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 5: Lot of people around there, and eventually as the rut

1399
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 5: gets ramped up, I think since there are so many

1400
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 5: dos there, you get this, you know, movement of or

1401
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 5: more consistent movement of bucks going through there, checking for

1402
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 5: checking scent or whatever. Because I mean we were in

1403
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 5: there for like two days this year, and I don't

1404
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 5: know that we saw the same buck twice. It was

1405
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 5: like several different bucks. Every time we'd see one, it

1406
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 5: was a different by. So yeah, which was that was

1407
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 5: pretty cool. But that's that's where I'd go if I

1408
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 5: had to pick a spot to in a day, That's

1409
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 5: where I go.

1410
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 3: Sounds sounds of my kind of spot, like this sounds

1411
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 3: of it. Well, Ted, you passed, you survived the the

1412
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 3: what would you do? Gauntlet?

1413
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 2: Before I let you go, though, could you could you

1414
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:51,759
Speaker 2: give folks just any kind of preview that that folks

1415
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 2: would be looking forward to? Are there any like really

1416
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 2: exciting trips you guys have coming up? Is there anything

1417
01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 2: new coming up with THHB any sific projects or places

1418
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 2: or anything you want us to check out?

1419
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 5: We got well this year, the hunt that I drew

1420
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 5: an elk tag this year, so I'm pretty excited about that.

1421
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 4: And then we.

1422
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:21,679
Speaker 5: Got some some more unique trips out west, I guess,

1423
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 5: some Muzzloder hunts and stuff like that coming up. So

1424
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 5: kind of a kind of a fun fall coming up.

1425
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 5: It seems like Warb's got an elk tag down in Arizona,

1426
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 5: so it seems like there's going to be a wide

1427
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 5: variety of of different types of hunts this year coming up.

1428
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 5: So I think we're all pretty excited about this fall

1429
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 5: just because just for that reason, because there's more drawn

1430
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 5: hunts and like different types of hunts than what we're

1431
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 5: doing a lot of the time, I guess, So it

1432
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 5: should be a pretty fun, pretty fun fall, pretty diverse

1433
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 5: type of hunting, nice going on the whole fall.

1434
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 3: Nice to have that kind of change, a change of

1435
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:07,759
Speaker 3: pace sometimes.

1436
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 4: But yeah, this season, oh for sure, it'll be fun.

1437
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking forward to following long Ted. I appreciate

1438
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 2: to appreciate everything you guys do. Appreciate you taking time

1439
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 2: here today to talk through all this without a doubt

1440
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 2: has got me more fired up than even before.

1441
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 3: I'm ready to get after it. Yeah, anyday, just a

1442
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 3: few more weeks and it'll be just about here.

1443
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure. I'm excited about it, all.

1444
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 3: Right, Ted, Well, thank you and good luck this season.

1445
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 2: Thank you to you, all right, and that's a wrap

1446
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 2: for today's show. Appreciate you joining me. I thoroughly enjoyed

1447
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 2: this chat with Ted. I'm very excited for next week.

1448
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 2: We have a really really good slate this month of

1449
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 2: folks that are gonna be running through these hypotheticals. There's

1450
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 2: gonna be some some other public land warriors kind of

1451
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 2: like Ted, and then there's gonna be some private land

1452
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 2: guys and everything in between. So it's gonna be great.

1453
01:15:58,520 --> 01:15:59,839
Speaker 2: Stick around, stay tuned.

1454
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 3: It's going to be a.

1455
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 2: Great month, and then before we know it, hunting season

1456
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,719
Speaker 2: is going to be here. So until next time, thanks

1457
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 2: for tuning in and stay wired to hunt.

1458
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 4: H