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Speaker 1: What is going on? It's your boy, just some dude

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Speaker 1: Out podcast brought to you by Colin Coward in his

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Speaker 1: of the limitations to it all start with Jared Goff.

424
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Speaker 1: McVey start to golf, and then he kind of works

425
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Speaker 1: backwards from there. So part of the reason you don't

426
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Speaker 1: see a lot of exotic stuff stuff from them is

427
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Speaker 1: because they can't do it that. Really they're exotic stuff

428
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Speaker 1: as a team, right is on special teams they always

429
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Speaker 1: do crazy as ship Why because their putter has a

430
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Speaker 1: great arm, Because their kicker can make like eight yard kicks.

431
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Speaker 1: Right that's where they excelt and they've run crazy fake

432
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Speaker 1: punts or fake returns forever that. They've been the masters

433
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Speaker 1: at it because they got dynamic players there. Their quarterback

434
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Speaker 1: right now is limited, so their coach is kind of limited.

435
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Speaker 1: It's really remarkable they've been this good with a limited quarterback. Now,

436
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Speaker 1: Jared Goff, you know, McVeigh has got to get better,

437
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Speaker 1: but he needs his quarterback to get better. He has

438
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Speaker 1: to learn how to check plays in the line of scrimmage.

439
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: He has to learn how to read defenses, and that

440
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Speaker 1: usually takes time. I think it's almost unfair to think

441
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Speaker 1: a third year quarterback is gonna be able to do that,

442
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Speaker 1: But that to me, has to be the offseason plan

443
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Speaker 1: for golf. He has to take a huge step there.

444
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Speaker 1: Because the one thing I'll say for Jared Goff is

445
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Speaker 1: he is a tough guy. He is not afraid to

446
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: get hit. You can hit him and he'll come back

447
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: the next play unfaced. Where he gets faced and when

448
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Speaker 1: you're at his feet You notice when anyone was at

449
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: his feet yesterday it threw him off, partly because he

450
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: doesn't have a great arm, so if his feet aren't set,

451
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: he can't really make throws. And for whatever reason yesterday,

452
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: was he thinking too much? Was the environment too big? Maybe?

453
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Speaker 1: I mean it's only a second year having any success

454
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Speaker 1: really in his life. I mean it's three years of

455
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Speaker 1: cow The first two years they were got awful. They

456
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Speaker 1: didn't sniff a bowl. In the third year they went

457
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Speaker 1: seven and five, and they weren't very good either. So

458
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Speaker 1: it's not like this guy has been playing high level

459
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Speaker 1: football for ten years now. He's really been winning for

460
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Speaker 1: the last eighteen months, if we're really gonna call it

461
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Speaker 1: what it is in really twelve months, because they won

462
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Speaker 1: last year, Yeah eighteen, you know, sixteen months, so it's

463
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Speaker 1: a short period of time. But his arm limitations, Like

464
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Speaker 1: he throw, he can throw it for but it doesn't

465
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Speaker 1: throw with that hard. So if his feet aren't perfectly set,

466
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Speaker 1: the ball is not gonna be very accurate. If he's

467
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Speaker 1: gonna max out and be a really good player in

468
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Speaker 1: this league one. He's gonna have to win with his

469
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Speaker 1: head because he doesn't have the physical attributes to just

470
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Speaker 1: dominate you. He's gonna have to figure out. And he

471
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Speaker 1: did go to cal Now he only stayed for three years,

472
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Speaker 1: but I've met him a couple of times. He's a

473
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Speaker 1: sharp guy. He's gonna have to learn to manipulate defenses,

474
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Speaker 1: to look guys off, to see things at the beginning

475
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Speaker 1: of pre snap and then post nap see things right now,

476
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Speaker 1: that's not what he's doing. And because his arm is

477
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Speaker 1: probably never gonna be great, he's got to be really accurate,

478
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Speaker 1: not just on play action stuff where it's easy throws,

479
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Speaker 1: on throws where it's four or five wide, they know

480
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Speaker 1: you're gonna throw because, as you saw in that game,

481
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Speaker 1: Belichecks the master at it. He's gonna make you do

482
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Speaker 1: things you're not comfortable at doing. And if you can

483
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Speaker 1: do things that you're not comfortable at doing, then you

484
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: can play with him, right, then you can beat him.

485
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Speaker 1: Jared Goff had no chance. I think the term is

486
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Speaker 1: to make him play left handed. He had no left hand.

487
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: I mean, hell, he barely had a right hand. But

488
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Speaker 1: I think everyone's rushing McVeigh and I'm not. He did

489
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Speaker 1: not have a great game, But I think it's more

490
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Speaker 1: on Jared Goff because they only wanted to do things

491
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Speaker 1: he did well, and he only does so much really well. Now.

492
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Speaker 1: When he gets in a rhythm against shitty defenses, he

493
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Speaker 1: can light you up. But when he's playing a high

494
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Speaker 1: level defense that knew what was coming, he didn't have

495
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Speaker 1: a curve ball, he just had the one pitch and

496
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Speaker 1: then they started covering his guys and he started getting

497
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Speaker 1: covered sacks. And he's not athletic enough to make something

498
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Speaker 1: out of nothing. So it was just over right if

499
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Speaker 1: you can even good players like if nothing's there for

500
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers or guys like that, they can't scramble, and

501
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: that's one of the knocks. And here's the other thing,

502
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Speaker 1: because they were playing a bunch of his own defense.

503
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Speaker 1: He's not a confident enough player, especially without Girly, where

504
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Speaker 1: he's just gonna sit there and throw balls into windows.

505
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Speaker 1: And especially the way the ball was coming out of

506
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Speaker 1: his hands yesterday, he had no chance. So I think

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Speaker 1: they're big growth as a as a twosome. Really, it's

508
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Speaker 1: McVan golf. I mean that's gonna be the combination moving forward. Uh,

509
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Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't love paying him huge money, but

510
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Speaker 1: they're not gonna be drafting the number one overall. He's

511
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Speaker 1: not going anywhere, and he just lost in the super

512
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Speaker 1: Boy had a bad game. It's not I'm not trying

513
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: to overreact here. He's gonna be around for a while.

514
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Speaker 1: But they got to take a huge step this offseason

515
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Speaker 1: to not rely I so much on this Green dot,

516
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Speaker 1: to not rely so much on this collegiate. I gotta

517
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Speaker 1: tell you every play, I need you to take some ownership.

518
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Speaker 1: I need you to take a huge step mentally. Like physically,

519
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Speaker 1: you kind of are what you are. You're Matt ryan Ish.

520
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Speaker 1: So if we get some better pieces around you, get

521
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Speaker 1: your tight end, Girly's going, You're fine. You have the

522
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Speaker 1: physical you have enough physical tools. I need you to

523
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Speaker 1: take a huge step mentally, take a huge jump. Same

524
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Speaker 1: with Sean McVeigh. You need to become and maybe he

525
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Speaker 1: has this, he just hasn't implemented because Goff didn't have

526
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Speaker 1: this in the bag. You need to become more open

527
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Speaker 1: minded to doing more things because in the Super Bowl

528
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Speaker 1: you're gonna get Belichick and Belichick's seen it all and

529
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Speaker 1: can do it all. You can't only run a couple

530
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Speaker 1: of plays and he basically knows what's coming. You got

531
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Speaker 1: no chance. So I think a lot of people are

532
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Speaker 1: going in on McVeigh and that's the nature of the

533
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. He's a super famous and the hype on him.

534
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Speaker 1: But this offseason for Jared goff to take a huge

535
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Speaker 1: step above the neck because physically he's not gonna change

536
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Speaker 1: that much. He's never gonna be fast, he never are

537
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Speaker 1: gonna have a great arm. He's got to take a

538
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Speaker 1: step mentally, and this these next six or seven months

539
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: are huge for him. Okay, let's let's dive into the

540
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: Middlecoff mail bag because it's about that time. You can

541
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Speaker 1: always slide up into my d M s at John Middlecoff.

542
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: It's basically my handle for everything on social media. My

543
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: name just with an APT symbol in front of it, Twitter, Insta,

544
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Speaker 1: you name it. But I answer questions in this segment

545
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: from Insta. So let's go. We've got two questions. One,

546
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Speaker 1: how big of a game was this for Belichick's legacy?

547
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Speaker 1: That seems like an insane thing to ask, even then

548
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: He's already had five rings. But I think when people

549
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: look back and see the Patriots shut down one of

550
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: the league's top two offenses in the Super Bowl, he

551
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: will get remembered for this one a lot more than Brady,

552
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Speaker 1: given the defensive game and the fact that he was

553
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Speaker 1: Uh was so much made of Sean McVeigh coming in.

554
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Speaker 1: Dive into that here a second to how bizarre is

555
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: the Todd Gurley story? Uh, do you buy even for

556
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: a second he's actually healthy? If so, a bit of

557
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Speaker 1: a black eye and McVeigh, Okay, let's start with the

558
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Speaker 1: first one. I think because they're kind of tied in together.

559
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Speaker 1: If Todd Gurley had been one, because I thought about

560
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Speaker 1: whenever he got injured, when was that like early November,

561
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Speaker 1: mid November. I mean, he's been a show of himself,

562
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Speaker 1: as he said, he's basically hasn't done much for the

563
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Speaker 1: last two months. I would have given Belichick a ton

564
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Speaker 1: of credit, like he's getting credit no matter what. But

565
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Speaker 1: if Todd Gurley would have been one PC and this

566
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: offense would have been humming coming into the game, you

567
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Speaker 1: would have been like, damn, this is an all time

568
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: great Belichick performance. It still is, but it's not quite

569
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Speaker 1: as great like their first one ever against the greatest

570
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Speaker 1: show on turf. He took out Marshall Falk, who was

571
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Speaker 1: in like the peak of his powers. You know, a

572
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Speaker 1: couple of years ago. You know, I guess they made

573
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Speaker 1: I would have to look back the stats of Marshawn Lynch,

574
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: you know some of the games. You know, I guess

575
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Speaker 1: against McNabb, Terrell Owens. Yeah, this, this is probably there.

576
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Speaker 1: I mean, clearly they had three points in the Super Bowl.

577
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Speaker 1: But I do think there's somewhat of an asterix. I

578
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Speaker 1: can't even say that word astrich astric by Todd Gurley's name,

579
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: just because I mean, what the hell is going on?

580
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: Are you injured? Are you healthy? Clearly he's not healthy.

581
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: But a couple runs in that game on just the

582
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Speaker 1: outside zone when he cuts it back, You're like, God, damn,

583
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Speaker 1: it's Todd Gurley, I know, in love, But where was

584
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: that guy? What was his deal? So? Yeah, I think Belichick.

585
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Tom Brady's got six. So anytimes you have six,

586
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, super Bowls, you're in pretty good shape. But yeah,

587
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: I'd say Belichick is gonna get a little more credit

588
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: in this individual game. Okay, here's a question which one

589
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Speaker 1: of these trade scenarios. I already liked this question is

590
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Speaker 1: more likely. In which trade scenario would you ACCECT except

591
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Speaker 1: if you're Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch. Trade with the Broncos.

592
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Speaker 1: The Niners get two thousand nineteen first tenth overall two

593
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Speaker 1: thousand nine second forty overall two thou god uh third

594
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Speaker 1: round seventy overall two thousand twenty second round pick. The

595
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Speaker 1: Broncos get two thousand nineteen number two overall pick. Yeah,

596
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: that's not possible. Trade with the Raiders. I mean, obviously

597
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Speaker 1: I do that. If I was the forty Niners. Trade

598
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: with the Raiders. Niners get the Raiders first fourth overall

599
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Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen, first round, twenty four overall two thousand nineteen,

600
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Speaker 1: five round thirty first overall. The Raiders get second overall pick.

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Speaker 1: I mean I would do both those of I'm college

602
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: they're not getting They're just not getting that much to

603
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Speaker 1: go up. Yeah, it's just neither of those. Both the

604
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: other teams are saying no. Uh So, if the forty

605
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Speaker 1: Niners decided to draft another defensive tackle like Quinnin Williams

606
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Speaker 1: or At Oliver, do you see them trading Solomon Thomas

607
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Speaker 1: are cutting Eric armstread since there is already so much

608
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Speaker 1: redundancy on the roster with having a bunch of tweeners,

609
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: defensive ends and defensive tackles. Well, I think you're kind

610
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Speaker 1: of stuck with Armstead because you picked up his fifth

611
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Speaker 1: year option, and he's always injured, so I'm sure he

612
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Speaker 1: probably couldn't pass a physical, you know. I think Solomon Thomas,

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Speaker 1: who I'm not the biggest fan of, did show some

614
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Speaker 1: signs of light at the end of the season. You know,

615
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Speaker 1: they put him inside over guards and he was much

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Speaker 1: more productive. So I would say that Solomon to I mean,

617
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Speaker 1: they just trafted him two years ago. I'm not a

618
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Speaker 1: big Solomon Thomas guy, but like I'm okay with being

619
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Speaker 1: wrong on that. You know, if he becomes a much

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Speaker 1: better player, maybe where most guys take a huge step

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Speaker 1: from their rookie to their sophomore year. Not everyone's on

622
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Speaker 1: that pace. Now we expect it of really high draft picks,

623
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Speaker 1: but some guys. He was super young, you know, he's

624
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Speaker 1: only twenty three years old. Maybe he takes a big

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Speaker 1: step from a second to his third year. So I

626
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: would say, unless they got a crazy deal, Salmon Thomas

627
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: gonna be on the team and no one's taking Eric

628
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: Armsteads like twelve million dollar salary again fifth year option. Uh.

629
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Speaker 1: He finished the season on injured reserve. I I doubt

630
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Speaker 1: you could cut him with him fasting a physical question

631
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Speaker 1: for the show? Did GoF miss quite a few open

632
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Speaker 1: receivers with poor reads? Also, I thought the crowd noise

633
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: was underrated. Not sure there were many RAMS fans there

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Speaker 1: not a lot of Rams fans there. I'd have to go.

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Speaker 1: I haven't watched like the All twenty two tape or

636
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: even the game back. Uh. I just thought golf was terrible.

637
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean, talked about it earlier in the show. It

638
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: didn't look like as many people were open. But again

639
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: that their offense is not you know, they don't have

640
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. They have really no tight ends. Gurly is

641
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: m I a They're a play action, throw deep offense,

642
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: and that that was just not gonna happen against Belichick,

643
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: whose defensive backs were so well coached, who were so seasoned.

644
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Gilmore, while it's only a second season, he

645
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: was in the Super Bowl last year, wasn't all Pro

646
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: this season. Mccordy is one of the great champions of

647
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: the Belichick area. His other mccordy, you know, made arguably

648
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: the play of the Super Bowl. They have an undrafted

649
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: free agent that's playing pretty well on defense. Then obviously

650
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: the two linebackers that are just really smart in High

651
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: Tower and in van Oy that I I think they

652
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: just they threw Golf off. And Golf isn't good enough

653
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: to get thrown off because he only has one pitch.

654
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: You know, he he can't audible at the line, he

655
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: doesn't have a great arm. Uh, he's not a great

656
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: athlete to get away. So again, as I talked about

657
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: earlier show, he's just gotta get better, you know, he

658
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: just gotta get a lot better. So I would say that,

659
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, golf wasn't necessarily missing. Oh, I don't think

660
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: there were that many guys open. I mean, clearly some

661
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: of the some of the pressures on golf came because

662
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,239
Speaker 1: he would just sit in the pockety look, you'd look,

663
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: you look, you see no one, and then the guy

664
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: would come. It wasn't like pressure was in his face

665
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: and the snap of fingers. I think it was just

666
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: simply Jared Goff wasn't ready for that game plan, and

667
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: he shouldn't. I mean, it's Bill Belichick, greatest coach ever,

668
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: the greatest defensive mind ever, the greatest game planner ever.

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00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: He should have, you know, taken Golf and McVeigh to

670
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: the ship. The right thing happened yesterday. Belichick should beat

671
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Speaker 1: McVeigh and Golf in their first ever Super Bowl. Now,

672
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: if they play again in two years, maybe it's a

673
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: different story. But in two thousand nineteen, when it's Bill

674
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: Belichick against those two that I think if you combine

675
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: their age, Goff's like twenty four or twenty five, Mcveigh's

676
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: thirty three, they don't even equal Belichick's age. I think

677
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: if you combine their age, they're just a little over

678
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: the amount of time to Belichick's been in the league.

679
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: So I think at the end of the day, we

680
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't be that shock that Goff was, you know, pretty rattled.

681
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: Hey John, is it time team stopped looking for the

682
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: next McVeigh and start looking for the next Andy Reid.

683
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: Not that McVeigh isn't a great coach, but Doug Peterson

684
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: is clearly a tier higher. The Colts and the Bears

685
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: have followed that higher and had success so far. I

686
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: think it's all about the individual. I mean, some guys,

687
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: some coaches are just better than others. To me, just

688
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: because you're an assistant on mcveig staff does not mean

689
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: you're good. And just because you're assistant on Andy staff

690
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're good. But if you are Andy's right

691
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: hand man, it's proven over and over and over again

692
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: more than likely you're gonna be a good coach. Doug

693
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Speaker 1: Peterson obviously, Matt Naggy Coach of the Year, shot out.

694
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: You know, John Harbaugh, Ron Rivera, all these guys. Sean

695
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: McDermott play huge roles on his staffs over the last

696
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, twenty years. With McVeigh, we just don't have

697
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Speaker 1: the resume. Are these guys gonna be good? I think

698
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: the better resume would be, like, should do you go

699
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: after Mike Shanahan? Guys look at Gary Kubiak, Kyle Shanahan,

700
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Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh. You know, maybe the move is look at

701
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Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan. Guy's not necessarily Sean McVeigh, because they're all

702
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: just running Mike Shanahan's offense. His kid. Uh. Like I said,

703
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: Kubiak was a really good head coach. Maybe he should

704
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: look there more than just Zach Taylor. Is he gonna

705
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: be a good coach. I don't know. He's thirty five

706
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: years old. The chances of him being good to me

707
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: are slim to nutt Let me mail bad question. I'm

708
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: banging these out mail back question. Edelman, m VP just

709
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: won the with a great performance and possibly made the

710
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Speaker 1: statement for Canton. How do you think who do you

711
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: think has a better chance of getting into the Hall

712
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: of Fame? Edelman or Welker? Tough question, And this has

713
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: kind of been a polarizing you know segment of Twitter.

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00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: Is Julian Edelman a Hall of Famer? I think you

715
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: pull up his stats page, he's had two or three

716
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: really good years, and he's been unreal in the playoffs.

717
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: I do put a lot of emphasis on his play

718
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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Here's what I know about Julie Edelman.

719
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: If his career ended right now, I would view him

720
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Speaker 1: as one thing, and one thing, only, a championship level player. Now,

721
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Speaker 1: when you get into the Hall of Fame, I think

722
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Speaker 1: that incorporates a little bit of your career you as

723
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Speaker 1: an individual, not necessarily your team success or even how

724
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: good you were in playoffs situations like Larry Fitzgerald is

725
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: probably you know, I mean Jerry reichs probably the best

726
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: but the best playoff receiver ever, and he's never gonna

727
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: have a championship. But his career, like the the total

728
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: embodiment of it was so good that it's a no brainer. Right.

729
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: You're like Larry FitzGeralds a Hall of Famer. Edelman, like Fitzgerald,

730
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: is just dominated in the playoffs. I mean, it's just

731
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: his best happens in the playoffs. I think it was

732
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: a better playoff. I have to go and break the

733
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: stats down, like him versus Welker. If I had a

734
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: playoff game tomorrow with Brady in their peak, I would

735
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: take Edelman. Now, when you look at welker stats for

736
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: like ten straight years, they're pretty unreal. I think we

737
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: forget just how good Welker was, and he was probably

738
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: better start to finish up a season than Edelman. I'm biased, though.

739
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: I love everything Julian stands for. I love how tough

740
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: he is, clearly how coachable he is. Let's let's not

741
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: forget like Belichick liked Welker, but they butted heads. You know,

742
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: Welker had a little bit more of an individual persona.

743
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: I guess maybe that's the wrong way to put it

744
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: just had his beliefs and he wasn't afraid to say

745
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: it even if it was gonna piss Bill off. Like

746
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: Bill and Jewels are pretty tight. I mean, Julian Edelman

747
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: got spent it this year and it wasn't even really

748
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: that big of a deal. That was a big of

749
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: a deal when you fail up steroid tests or whatever,

750
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: but it's not a big deal necessarily, Like he wasn't

751
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: doing anything bad that Bill cares about, and Bill just

752
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: likes him. Bill's confident in him. Bill feels that he

753
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: can just go to war with him. So I would

754
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: say that Edelman, he's only thirty two years old. If

755
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: he could put together three or four more years and

756
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: win another championship, he'll probably end up getting in. I

757
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: would say, of his career ended today, it would be

758
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: really difficult. Hey, John, you said in the last podcast

759
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,280
Speaker 1: about Gruden possibly drafting a quarterback in the upcoming draft.

760
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: Why don't the Raiders draft for need in this year's

761
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: draft and focus on a quarterback next year? Given the

762
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: quality of quarterbacks who are coming out in the first

763
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: couple rounds. I agree, I would not take a quarterback high.

764
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy if Gruden, which he clearly

765
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: is going to, you know, like a Trace McSorley, a

766
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: Gardener Menshew. Drafting in the fourth or fifth round because

767
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: next year, if you're bad again, you can always choose

768
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: to move on from Derek in draft to Trevor Lawrence

769
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: or whoever if you're drafting high the following season. I

770
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: guess Lawrence still two years away. A two. Uh, you know, whoever,

771
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: whoever is the top quarterback. I don't. I don't think

772
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: two is. But you know what I'm saying, I just

773
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: think that you have to be in the mode of

774
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: increasing your competition in the quarterback room, and Nathan Peterman

775
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: and AJ McCarron are just not gonna get it done. Now.

776
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: I would come back this season with Derek Carr. I

777
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: would not trade him. I would play with him. I

778
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: would try to nail some draft picks and be in position.

779
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: But you do have to have a better backup quarterback

780
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: than the half because right now, backup quarterback sucks. Agie

781
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: McCarron's terrible, and Nathan Peterman, you know, now, it was

782
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: hard right his team wasn't very good, well, actually they

783
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: weren't terrible. It was one of the worst quarterbacks we've

784
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: ever seen. Two years ago, they were a playoff team,

785
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 1: right the Bills, And the one game that almost knocked

786
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: him out of the playoffs was a game that he

787
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: played against the Charges. Story threw like five picks in

788
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: the first half, and Agie mccarroon is just trash. So

789
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: I just think that Gardner Manshew or Trace McSorley a

790
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: guy like that. If you're not gonna go quarterback high

791
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: and you're gonna bring Derek back, just bring you know,

792
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: bring in competition and bringing a guy that you can

793
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: have for a while, not necessarily be a starter, but

794
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: just be a high level competition in the forty Niners

795
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: did a couple of years ago, was C. J. Beethorn.

796
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: They took a guy in the third round. He's serviceable,

797
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: and it turns out he ended up getting beat out

798
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: by Nick mullins. But when you draft a guy third

799
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: round is probably a little high. But in the first, second,

800
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: or third round, you kind of got a force in

801
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: the plan. When you dropped a guy in the fourth

802
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: or fifth like Connor Cook, kind of easy to move on,

803
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: you know. With Hey John lifelong Packer fan. After the

804
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: La Fleur higher the rest of the world learned what

805
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: us Packers die Hard had known for years. Mike Mike

806
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: Murphy's ego is the size of Lake Michigan. God, it

807
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: is pretty big. And he installed Goodikins as his puppet director.

808
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: I like for this, uh is going? Goudakins is sharp,

809
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: but he's made a mail god, whereas Murphy is such

810
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: a meathead and it's clear to us now that he's

811
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: overruling Gudikins on personalitis killing the team. La floor isn't

812
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: ready to coach the Wisconsin Badgers, let alone Rogers and

813
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: the Packers Wisconsin Badgers sneaky, pretty big job. Do you

814
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: see Laflora and Rogers engagement leading to a marriage or

815
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: a bloody divorce? We keep Jimmy Graham at five million

816
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 1: for two tvsy Cotton eighteen. He can't block, He's slower

817
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: than ship and his hands are bricks at this stage

818
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 1: of his career. Am I crazy? Or is the Packers

819
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: offseason already in a death spiral? I hate the coach

820
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: high uh Now I'm judging a lot off a press

821
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: conference and what a guy did in a one year

822
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: situation when he is new to a franchise to be

823
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: a coordinator. But he'd never been a coordinator before that,

824
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: and he was terrible This year in Tennessee was really bad.

825
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: His press conference clearly overmatched, look nervous again. The Packers

826
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: is one of the biggest jobs, not just in football,

827
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: but in all of sports. I mean just one of

828
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: the most high public profile jobs probably in our country.

829
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: Right you're the head coach of the Green Bay Packers.

830
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: It's like being the coach of the Yankee or manager

831
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: of the Yankees, coach of the Lakers. I mean, it's

832
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: a big deal. Coach of the Steelers. Uh so, Yeah,

833
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: I didn't like to hire. I I didn't know much

834
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: about Murphy. You clearly kind of if you follow the

835
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: team day today, you just like I know a lot

836
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: about the n Irons and Raiders, their personalities inside the building, fans.

837
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: If you follow your team, you just have a good

838
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: feel for that. And then I think the country whenever

839
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: you make a big move, like God, why aren't this

840
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: Murphy guy shut up? And like you said, he goes huge,

841
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: So will he let Gunakins make decisions. Here's the problem

842
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: with a guy like Murphy is he played football, so

843
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna think he has some knowledge of what works

844
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: and what doesn't work. And then he was an a

845
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: d and he's hired a coach, so he's the guy.

846
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: Was it was a home run higher right, Pat Fitzgerald.

847
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: So he thinks he knows what he's doing. You know,

848
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: he's got a pretty good in his mind feel for

849
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: how to operate. So are they in a death spiral?

850
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: I would not say that because they still have one

851
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: of the best players in the league at the most

852
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: important position, in Aaron Rodgers. Is their roster flawed? Yeah? Uh?

853
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: You know, I mean do they have a Bell co

854
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 1: running back? You know, I would say no. Their offensive

855
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: line is good, their quarterbacks and Star Davante is a star.

856
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: Like you said, Jimmy's a shell of what he wants.

857
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: Was Randall Cobb is surely gonna be begone number eighty three. Uh,

858
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: I can't even think of his name, but he's got

859
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: three three names. He's pretty good player. They always draft well.

860
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: I do like some of their pieces on defense. You know,

861
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: the rookie corner they had this year is really good.

862
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: They got two first round picks in this draft. Uh,

863
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: they need to cut Clay which I'm sure he's gone.

864
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: Their defense. Actually, I didn't think when I watched in

865
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: this season, played that poorly. But if the coach, if

866
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: it turns out like we all think just watching that

867
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: press conference, he is over his head. They're in trouble.

868
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: Like who's to say, now, Rogers is probably so good

869
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: that if you play sixteen games, you know, it would

870
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: be hard to win three or four games. You'd probably

871
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: still end up at six or seven. But let's call

872
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: it what it is. You win six or seven games

873
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: next year and Aaron Rodgers starts sixteen, that's gonna be

874
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: a major disappointment. Probably no new head coach when you

875
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: look around the league, Brian Flores, Kingsbury, uh, Arians, you

876
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: know who am I missing here? I'm sure I'm missing

877
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: a team the Jetsu Adam Gates. No coach is gonna

878
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: have the pressure quite like the flour is gonna have

879
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: in Green Bay. Because you've got Aaron Rodgers. You've got

880
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: Aaron freaking Rodgers in the peak of his powers, making

881
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: like thirty million dollars a year. Fans, uh and just

882
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: people around the league are gonna expect you to win.

883
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: Whether that's fair or not, whether it should be a

884
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: transitional period. It's hard to have a transitional period when

885
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: you go all in on an all time quarterback. So

886
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: I've said this before. I don't think it's that crazy.

887
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: I do think this has potential to be one and done.

888
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: If I had to go one, one and done from

889
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: this group one thousand, not counting like if a dude

890
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: gets a d u I or something crazy happens, right,

891
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: not counting something like that, and you wouldn't even get

892
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 1: fired from d u I. But you know what I'm saying,

893
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 1: some crazy controversy where you had to fire the coach

894
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: or a guy like Leaves or something. I'm saying where

895
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: the guy legitimately gets fired like Steve Wilkes did this year,

896
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: one and done, like Jim tom Sula one and done,

897
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: it would be the floor because relative of the pressure. Now,

898
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: I don't think he's got to go like two and

899
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: fourteen to go one and done. I think he'd go

900
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: one and done like five and eleven. Don't don't ever

901
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: forget and and listen. I'm not saying the floor is

902
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: Jim tom Sula, but Jim tom Sula would probably be

903
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: the example of the laughing stock coach. Right of a

904
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: one and done. He did go five and eleven, but

905
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: it was so bad and just such a joke and

906
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: the team looks so bad. Like, to me, there's a

907
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: huge eye test with this That's what the Cardinals had.

908
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: There was just this eye test like this guy doesn't

909
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: know what he's doing. And Wilkes is clearly smarter, can

910
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: give a better press conference or whatever than Tom Sula.

911
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: But what if la Floor. Let's just say he goes

912
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: five and eleven and Rogers playing all the games, the

913
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: offense is terrible, the defense gets worse, and they're just awful.

914
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: I I truly believe I was a betting man right

915
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: now he would be the one. Now, I'm not saying

916
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: I'm right. I'm not saying that's going to happen, because

917
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: Rogers could win the MVP and they could win ten

918
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: games and make the playoffs. But I also think it's

919
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: got one and done potential, especially like you said, Murphy's

920
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 1: huge ego, because Gudakins even have any power. Is Lafleur

921
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: gonna have any juice in the draft room? Are they

922
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: gonna force players on them? This has all the makings

923
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: of sneaky disaster. Okay, last question here on the Middlecoff

924
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 1: mail bag, Big fan, since I've been found your podcast

925
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: through Colin been consistently. Listen to yourself, appreciate it. I'm

926
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: twenty five years old. The Lions have not won a

927
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: playoff game in my lifetime. Will we make it to

928
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: an NFC championship game in my life? That's a pretty

929
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: good question. So you're people live a little longer these days,

930
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: so I'll give you eighty five. You've got sixty more

931
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: years of life. The odds, the way the league is

932
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: set up, you would think in the next sixty years

933
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: at least they'd win a playoff game, because if you

934
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: consistently suck, you're bound to get the number one overall pick,

935
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: and just the odds would say you're bound to get

936
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: a quarterback. You did have a quarterback, Matt Stafford, and

937
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: you've i think made the playoffs three times in his career.

938
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: And you you played in a tight game. I know

939
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: the one year against the Cowboys. What was that like

940
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: four or five years ago when Sue was crying after

941
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: the game, So you know you've come close. NFC championship

942
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: game feels a little bold. The one problem you have

943
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: is the Packers. I would say, why the odds are decent?

944
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: The Packers have had sucked. I mean like a twenty

945
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: five year run. So as I just the should I

946
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: just answered, what if they spiral and kind of fall

947
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: off with under Murphy's leadership for the next five or

948
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: six which is kind of hard to see because they

949
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: got Rogers. Let's just say after Aaron Rodgers leaves, they're

950
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: not able to replace them, so they come back to Earth.

951
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: We don't know if Mitch Rbiscue is good or not.

952
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: The Vikings are kind of, you know, smoking mirrors in

953
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: the sense that the most important player on their team,

954
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean on any team as a quarterback, his cousins

955
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: really that good. He's not bad, but he makes so

956
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: much money they're gonna be able to afford any so

957
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: they might come back to Earth a little bit. I

958
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: don't think it's that crazy, you know, when he took

959
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: after in the Packers, the Bears, and the Vikings. Uh,

960
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: the Bears probably be a little better consistently because I

961
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: believe of the three coaches, I mean, Simmer, how many

962
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: more usually gonna coach he's pretty old, Naggy's gonna be

963
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: there for a while. And Packers, like I said, I

964
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: I'm not very confident in what they got going. I

965
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: do think there's a chance in the next sixty years

966
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: you win a playoff game. Also, I'll go out on

967
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: a limb here, you will win a playoff game in

968
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: the next sixty years, NFC championship. Now you'd say this,

969
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: what are the odds that this one year, in the

970
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: next sixty that the Lions get a home field by

971
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: So that would mean they'd only have to win one

972
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: game to get to the championship game. You'd say, probably

973
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: the next sixty years that happens. One time, I would lean.

974
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: I will lean right now. They will make a championship

975
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: game in your lifetime. Now, it might not be your

976
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: sixty so you might have to wait a while. But

977
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: that's what makes sports fun. Uh. In all seriousness, I

978
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: feel a little bad for you because I was always

979
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: a Stafford guy. But I've been humbled, a little bit humbled,

980
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: probably the wrong word. I've come to the realization that

981
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: he just you know, he's just not gonna win playoff games.

982
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: With that guy, he's probably good enough, just good enough

983
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: for you to lose, and just good enough for you

984
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: to have to pay. I mean, it's probably the worst

985
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: situation you can be in sports. But uh, you'll be fine.

986
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: Just just keep swinging. You know, the Tigers have one

987
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: year World Series. You were young, so what was that

988
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: like fourteen years You're really young when the Pistons won

989
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: the World's uh NBA Championship. You know, hardball might win

990
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: you one. Uh, So you'll be all right, you know,

991
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: but I feel your pain, bro. I I grew up

992
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: on the Niners, so by the time I was ten,

993
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: I've already seen like multiple Super Bowls. So I'm probably

994
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of a spoiled you know, football fan

995
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: in my youth. But then watching the forty Nighters and

996
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 1: Raiders throughout the two thousand's as a as a college student,

997
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: and then doing this in the media the last several years,

998
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: I've come back to earth. But but again, I appreciate

999
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: everyone listening. Keep your questions coming Middlecoff mail bag every

1000
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: week at John Middlecoff. Slide up in those d m

1001
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: s and I'll answer your questions right here. Thanks again

1002
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: everyone for listen. We're gonna keep pumping out two pods. Mainly,

1003
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: I just don't have that much to do, and I

1004
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: like talking football, so why not just talking to him, Mike.

1005
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk anyway, might as well press record, uh

1006
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: and I'll see you guys a little later this week.

1007
00:49:52,760 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: Peace s.