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Speaker 1: That's so good. I'm Robert Evans. Hello, I your This

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Speaker 1: is the Behind the Bastard Show, the show where we

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Speaker 1: tell you everything you don't know about the very worst

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Speaker 1: people in all of history. Only today that's not what

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Speaker 1: we're doing. This is our special Christmas episode. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: I figured that in light of the holiday season, the

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Speaker 1: everybody tries to think about the better aspects of humankind,

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Speaker 1: we would do a little break from tradition here and

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Speaker 1: talk about someone who is not a bastard, but is

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Speaker 1: in fact a little bit of a hero of mine,

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Speaker 1: more than a little bit. My guest today is Ana Hosnia,

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Speaker 1: co host of the Ethnically Ambiguous podcast What did I

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Speaker 1: suk Up? She didn't even notice, Uh, what did you do?

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Speaker 1: That's totally fine. Yeah, who cares? At this point? Who cares?

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Speaker 1: He said? Most people go like Hasney, our hosts n

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Speaker 1: that's you were you were there, my friends. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's leave this all in, uh, Lawrence, Yeah, we're keeping

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Speaker 1: it in and this will be good because that way,

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Speaker 1: if any of our listeners meet you, they will know

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Speaker 1: how to approximately. How are you doing today, Anna, I

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Speaker 1: am good. You know I overslept this morning, um, which

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Speaker 1: I am ruined. Right. Were you fighting the Good War? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: most youth thing I've ever heard in my life. Anna,

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Speaker 1: have you ever heard of a fellow named Raoul Wallenberg? No,

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Speaker 1: I'm you're about to. Uh. In a world so full

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Speaker 1: eternal power of lying. Uh Raul Wallenberg might be the

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Speaker 1: about Roel wallenberg story after this roll. Wallenberg's parents were

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Speaker 1: buildings were legally covered by Swedish diplomatic community, and he

424
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,199
Speaker 1: told this lie so forcefully that it wasn't questioned. The

425
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 1: buildings he rented were built to hold less than five

426
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 1: thousand people, but Wallenberg, being a pretty decent architect, remodeled

427
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 1: them and was able to fit thirty five thousand Jews inside. Yeah.

428
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: He also operated a soup kitchen and a hospital for

429
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 1: the people in Budapest Jewish ghetto. Uh yeah, he's he's

430
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: hitting with all steam here. A couple of months into

431
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: the job. At this point, on October, the Hungarian Arrow

432
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: Cross movement ceased power into posed Admiral Horthy. Now the

433
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 1: Arrow Cross was essentially just a Hungarian Nazis you know. Um.

434
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 1: They were backed by the Germans and acted as an

435
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 1: even more puppety puppet government than the last one had been.

436
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: The deportations resumed, Wallenberg instantly began confronting trains filled with

437
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 1: Jews before they could depart for their journey to Auschwitz.

438
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 1: Sandor Arda, a driver for Wallenberg and member of the

439
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: Jewish Underground, later recalled one such instance quote he climbed

440
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: up on the roof of the train and began handing

441
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 1: in protective passes through the doors, which were not yet sealed.

442
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 1: He ignored orders from the Germans for him to get down.

443
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: Then the Arrow crossmen began shooting and shouting at him

444
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: to go away. He ignored them and calmly continued handing

445
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 1: out passports into the hands that were reaching out for them.

446
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: I believe the arrow crossmen deliberately aimed over his head,

447
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: as not one shot hit him, which would have been

448
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: impossible otherwise. I think this is what they did because

449
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,479
Speaker 1: they were so impressed by his courage. After Wallenberg had

450
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 1: handed over the last of the passports, he ordered all

451
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 1: those who had one to leave the train and walked

452
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: to the caravan of cars parked nearby, all marked in

453
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: Swedish colors. I don't remember exactly how many, but he

454
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: saved dozens off that train, and the Germans and arrow

455
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,239
Speaker 1: Cross were so dumbfounded they let him get away with it.

456
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: You would regularly stop trains and just shout at SS

457
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: we even when he didn't have passports, would just brate

458
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 1: the SS guys in charge of the crowd to let

459
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: whole car loads of people off. Yeah this is There

460
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: was nothing backing him up. He was just going out

461
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: there and being like, these are Swedish citizens, no proof,

462
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: just like just a really good liar and really good

463
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: at bullshitting and pretending. He has the force of the

464
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: power of confidence. It's the power of being a tall

465
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: white guy. But he's like fake it till you make it,

466
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: fake it till you a vertigenicide yeah. Now Nazis being Nazis,

467
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: they did push back against Wallenburg safe houses. On Christmas Eve,

468
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of Nazis raided one of Wallenburg safe houses

469
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: and they took hundreds of people out in the middle

470
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: of the night and marched them to the Danube. The

471
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: Nazis tied three people together at a time, shot the

472
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: person in the middle, and then would let the corpse

473
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: pull the other two down under the freezing river. This

474
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: was too safe, bullets, Germans, you know they're Nazis. Uh.

475
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: Wallenberg found out what was going on and he rounded

476
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: up volunteers from his staff, people who could swim, and

477
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 1: together they jumped into the river and fished out as

478
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: many survivors as they could find, saving fifty or sixty

479
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: people that night. Now they the Arrow Cross had even

480
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: less respect for due process than the last regime it had.

481
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: They took to hunting down and murdering Jews in the street,

482
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: so Wallenberg had to ramp up his rescue operations in

483
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: order to cope. He found aryan looking young Jewish men

484
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: and he put them in Erroo Cross uniforms and had

485
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: them guard as safe houses. He started issuing protective papers

486
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: to everyone and just ignored the fact that the Swedish

487
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: government hadn't actually given them the power to do that.

488
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: When it's funding ranlow, Wallenberg turned to blackmailing local officials

489
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 1: and businessmen and committing other petty crimes in order to

490
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: finance his rescue operations. At this point, why why not

491
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: fuck it? The world's ending. Yeah yeah. The arrow Cross

492
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: responded by declaring Wallenberg's protective passports to being no longer valid.

493
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: Wallenburg protested to the government and somehow managed to get

494
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: them reinstated, but at the end of the day, Aikman

495
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: and the Nazis who really ran things in Hungary now

496
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: were committed to wiping out the last of that country's Jews.

497
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: By the winter of nineteen four, the Russians had advanced

498
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: enough that the Germans could no longer send Jews to

499
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: Auschwitz on trains. This didn't present a major problem for

500
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: a guy like Aichman, because he's still had the option

501
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: of just forcing the prisoners to go on a one

502
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: d and twenty five mile death march without food or sleep,

503
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: which you know, pretty much kills the same amount of

504
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: people as against Chamber and the European Winter uh tens

505
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: of thousands of Jews were sent off on an enormous

506
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: force march to their doom. Wallenberg gathered up trucks, food

507
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: and medical supplies. He traveled along the road of march

508
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: and handed them out, trying to give the marchers the

509
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: best odds of survival possible, and when he could, he

510
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: attempted to abduct some of them. Here's a quote from

511
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: the book Wallenberg by Katie Martin. You there, the Swede

512
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: pointed to an astonished man waiting for his turn to

513
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: be handed over to the executioner. Give me your Swedish

514
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: passport and getting that line, he barked, and you get

515
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: behind him. I know I issued you a passport. Walloenberg

516
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: continued moving fast, talking loud, hoping the authority in his

517
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: voice would somewhat rub off on these defeated people. The

518
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: Jews finally caught on. They started groping in pockets for

519
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: bits of identification. A driver's license or birth certificates seemed

520
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: to do the trick. The Swede was grabbing them so

521
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: fast the Nazis, who couldn't read Hungarian anyway, didn't seem

522
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: to be checking faster. Wallenberg's eyes urged them faster. Before

523
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: the game is up In minutes, he had several hundred

524
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: people in his convoy. International Red Cross trucks there at

525
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: Wallenburg's behest arrived and the Jews clambered on. Wallenberg jumped

526
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: into his own car. He leaned out of the car

527
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: window and whispered, I am sorry to the people he

528
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: was leaving behind. I am trying to take the youngest

529
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: ones first, he explained, I want to save a nation. Wow, yeah,

530
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: that's wild. This is an act of pure balls. Wallenberg

531
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: had no legal basis for what he was doing, but

532
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: he knew something important about fascists, which is that they

533
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: respond to confident leadership. It's kind of their only thing.

534
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: They'll do whatever a loud and certain person tells him

535
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: to do. That's so cool, yeah, he just, Oh, this

536
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: is how naz fine. They just want a confident guy

537
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: to yell at. Yeah. Saving people grew to become an

538
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: all consuming obsession for Raoul. Before he traveled to Budapest,

539
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: he had confided in a friend that his nightmare would

540
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: be to return to Stockholm, knowing that he hadn't done

541
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: absolutely everything in his power to save as many Jews

542
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: as possible. So while he was in Budapest, Walloenberg slept

543
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: just four hours a night at most. He was constantly

544
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: in motion while he was awake. This was necessary because

545
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: the fascists were always moving. To Tommy laugh that, a

546
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: thirteen year old who lived in one of Wallenberg's safe

547
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: houses recalled this. One morning, a group of these Hungarian

548
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: fascists came into the house and said that all the

549
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: able bodied women must go with them. We knew what

550
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: this meant. My mother kissed me, and I cried, and

551
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: she cried. We knew we were parting forever. And she

552
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: left me there an orphan tall intents and purposes. Then

553
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: two or three hours later, to my amazement, my mother

554
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: returned with the other women. It seemed like a mirage,

555
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: a miracle. My mother was there, she was alive, and

556
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: she was hugging me and kissing me, and she said

557
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: one word Wallenberg. I knew who she meant, because Wallenberg

558
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: was a legend among the Jews. In a complete and

559
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: total hell in which we lived, there was a savior

560
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: angel somewhere moving around. After she had composed herself, my

561
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: mother told me they were being taken to the river

562
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: when a car arrived and outstepped Wallenberg, and they knew

563
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: immediately who it was, because there was only one such

564
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: person in the world. He went up to the Arrow

565
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: Cross leader and protested that the women were there under

566
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: his protection. They argued with him, but he must have

567
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: had incredible charisma, some great personal authority, because there was

568
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing behind him, nothing to back him up. He

569
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: stood out there in the street, probably feeling the loneliest

570
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: man in the world, trying to pretend that there was

571
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: some behind him. They could have shot him then and

572
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: there in the street and nobody would have known about it. Instead,

573
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 1: they were lented and let the women go. Oh. He

574
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: just kept screaming at He just kept screaming at him

575
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: until he saved hundreds of people. Yeah, that's crazy, Jesus,

576
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,959
Speaker 1: this man, this guy, right, he's hell of it. It's

577
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: almost like a folk hero. Wallenberg became famous among the

578
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: Nazis as well. Aikman called him juw Dog Wallenberg because

579
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: Nazis are not very creative at all. That doesn't sound

580
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: like ro ro Juel, like if if I'm trying to

581
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: do that, I'm just saying like there's other yea Aikman.

582
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: They harassed him regularly, and the Nazis even blew up

583
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: his car. At one point he took to sleeping in

584
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: different houses every night in order to avoid assassination. Dawnt.

585
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 1: The Soviet war machine was closing in on Budapest. There

586
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: were only a hundred thousand or so Jews left alive

587
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: in the Budapest ghetto. Aikeman ordered five D S. S.

588
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: Troops and even more Arrow Cross soldiers to ring the

589
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: ghetto and prepare for what would have been the largest

590
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: gun based massacre of World War two. Now, for a

591
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: little bit of historical perspective, the largest I think gun

592
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: based massacre of the war was the Bobby Yard massacre,

593
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: which I think was one been forty two with the

594
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: innsets grouping unit shot like thirty thou people when they

595
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: line a bunch of people up and then just yeah,

596
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: and they actually had they stopped doing that in favor

597
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: of the gas chambers because like so many of those

598
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: guys went up killing themselves and becoming alcohol excuse that

599
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: you just can't have people do that. It's hard, it's hard,

600
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: it's hard. Fu off off. Now. So yeah, that was

601
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: the plan, and these guys, you know, at this point

602
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty five year an S. S. Trooper in Budapest.

603
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: Number one, you're probably were wounded fighting the Russians, which

604
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: is why you're in a place like Budapest. So these

605
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: were hard sons of bitches. Uh probably who would have

606
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: been you know, they would have had to be to

607
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: be capable of massacring a hundred thousand people. But that's

608
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: the situation that we're in in ninety five, and we

609
00:29:51,920 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: will talk about what happens next after somes and we're back. Boy, howdy,

610
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: I do love ads, boy howdy. So we were talking

611
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: about how the Nazis were going to massacre a hundred

612
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: thousand people by shooting them to death in the Budapest ghetto.

613
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: Oh the joy, the joy. We're talking about the ads. Yeah,

614
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: Now about Wallenberg coming to hopefully saved them at the

615
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: last second. Yep, yep ye. So Aikman had ordered this massacre,

616
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: but he was not there in person because he was

617
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: trying to escape Nazi Germany, which he did for a while.

618
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: So the task of murdering all these people went to

619
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: s S General August Schmidt Duber. Now Wallenberg caught onto

620
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: the plan and he went straight to schmid Duber's office.

621
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: He promised the man that if anything happened to the ghetto.

622
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: He would make it his business to ensure the general

623
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: was found personally responsible for the massacre and hanged for

624
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: crimes against humanity. This was pure bluff, but it worked.

625
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: Schmidt Duber called off the massacre. Look, man, I don't

626
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: want to have to get you hung. I don't want

627
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: to get you in trouble, buddy. It's like, what are

628
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: you talking about. He's like, you know you're gonna get

629
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: in trouble. I don't know. Let him go. I'll get

630
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: your trouble with some sort of international legal committee that

631
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: doesn't exist right now. The Soviets took Budapest later in January,

632
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: and that should have been the start of Wallenberg's happy ending,

633
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: but rules contact with the American government led the Soviets

634
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: to suspect he was some sort of spy because I

635
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: ever Olson, the guy who had hired him and worked

636
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Speaker 1: for the War refug Board, also worked for the oss

637
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Speaker 1: UM and well, the USSR was not nearly as anti

638
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: Semitic as the Nazis, and they're still pretty anti semitic.

639
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: And one of the things that you read about the

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Speaker 1: guys who found Wallenberg in there and why they found

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Speaker 1: him suspicious is they could not wrap their hands around

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Speaker 1: the idea of a guy doing everything that Wallenberg had

643
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Speaker 1: done just to save Jewish people. They're like, there's gotta

644
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Speaker 1: be he's gotta be some sort of a weird spy.

645
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: What's going on here? Yeah, there's no way this man

646
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: just has goodness of the heart. Yeah, there's the way

647
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: that man just wants to save human lives. So Rao

648
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: was arrested and we don't really know what happened to him.

649
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: The most likely story is that he died sometime in

650
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Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties in the KGB's infamous Lubyanka prison. Yeah,

651
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: it's fucked up right. The Swedes were so concerned with

652
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: having good relations with the USSR and staying neutral that

653
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: they took no effort to save the life of a

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Speaker 1: man who was a citizen of their country, a government employee,

655
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Speaker 1: and one of the greatest Swedish heroes ever born uh

656
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: In April of nineteen five, the U s State Department

657
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: even offered Sweden for help in asking the Russians about Wallenberg,

658
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: to like pressure them a little bit, and Sweden said no.

659
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Speaker 1: They didn't want to compromise their neutrality by trying to

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00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: save this guy's life. Uh. In nineteen forty six, after

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00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: intense public demand, the Swedish Foreign Minister and went to

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Speaker 1: Moscow to ask Joseph Stalin in essence what happened to Wallenberg.

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Speaker 1: And he did ask him that, but immediately afterwards he

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Speaker 1: said that he personally thought Wallenberg had probably died in

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Speaker 1: Budapest and basically gave Stalin an opening, and Stalin took

666
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Speaker 1: the opening and just didn't say this was untrue. So

667
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: that's the line the government went with for a while. Yeah,

668
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: you never give Stalin an opening. You never give Stalin

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Speaker 1: an opening, not j Staal. That's what he's gonna is

670
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: what he's gonna do. So in nineteen fifty seven, after

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Speaker 1: Stalin's death, the Soviet Union finally admitted that Wallenberg had

672
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: in fact survived the war. They said he died of

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00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: a heart attack in captivity in nineteen forty eight. This

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00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: remained the Russian government's official stance until well after the

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Speaker 1: end of the Cold War. We still don't really know

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Speaker 1: what happened to Raoul, although it's safe to say the

677
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: Russian government imprisoned, probably tortured in one way or the other,

678
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: definitely murdered him uh now at the end of World

679
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: War Two was a chaotic time. Estimates very wildly on

680
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Speaker 1: how many lives Wallomberg saved. The most common estimate is

681
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand human beings, but it maybe several times

682
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: that many. Because his activities provided a blueprint several other

683
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: embassies used to rescue Jewish people as well. Wallomberg almost

684
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: certainly saved more lives than any other member of the

685
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Speaker 1: righteous among nations, which is sort of a title that

686
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: the Nation of Israel has awarded the non Jews who

687
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: saved Jewish lives during the Holocaust. Nobody saved more people

688
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 1: than Raoul Wallomberg. And in fact, a hundred thousand lives

689
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: is uh one six of the total number of Jews

690
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Speaker 1: dead in the Holocaust saved by one guy. Wow. Gideon Housner,

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Speaker 1: the man who prosecuted Adolf Aikman and later was the

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Speaker 1: chairman of Yad Vashan, the World Holocaust Remembrance Center, said

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Speaker 1: this about Raoul Wallomberg. Here is a man who had

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Speaker 1: the choice of remaining in secure, neutral Sweden when Nazism

695
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: was ruling Europe. Instead, he left this haven and went

696
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: to what was then one of the most perilous places

697
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: in Europe, hungry and for what to save Jews. He

698
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: won his battle, and I feel that in this age

699
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: when there is so little to believe, in, so very

700
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: little on which our young people can pen their hopes

701
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: and ideals, he is a person to show to the

702
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: world who knows so little about him. This is why

703
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: I believe the story of Rold Wallenberg should be told

704
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: in his figure, in all its true proportions, projected into

705
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: human minds. M hm, that's that's the story. Merry Christmas.

706
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: God damn the Russia always everything. Well, I mean, they

707
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: did beat the Nazis, but yeah, and they go and

708
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: take the one man who like basically was out. You're

709
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: screaming at Nazis until they were like, I don't know,

710
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm confused. These voices allowed I guess like the Hungarian

711
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: Jewish community wound up, even though it survived later than

712
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: most of them were, being like one of the most

713
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: completely destroyed Jewish communities in all of Europe, and virtually

714
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Speaker 1: the only Hungarian Jews who survived did so because of

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Speaker 1: what burke, Oh my god, hundred thousand lives. Do you

716
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: think they tortured him just to find out who he

717
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: was working for and just wouldn't believe it, would you

718
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: know it could be this nice? Yeah that's crazy to me. Yeah, yeah,

719
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: just a man. What do you think happened to him?

720
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: I think he was probably thrown in a prison, tortured

721
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: for a little while, thrown into a prison. I think

722
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: it's very possible he did die up a heart attack.

723
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: He was on the thirty two when all this happened.

724
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: But you know, you torture somebody for a while and

725
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: you starved them, you know. So he started doing this

726
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: in his early thirty's, just thirty two when he got

727
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: the job thirty two. He's just like, well, you know, yeah,

728
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: a save some lives thirty two with his only professional

729
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: training and architecture, and just was like, all right, I'm

730
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: just gonna go lie until I've saved a hundred thousand

731
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: people and then did it. I imagine at thirty two,

732
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: I will still be doing nothing. Well what I like

733
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: about podcasting? Podcasting? Yeah, yeah, he's a Well that's why

734
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: he's a good person to, uh, to fill people's minds with,

735
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: especially on a show where we otherwise just talk about

736
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: reckless evil and the insane deadliness of human hate. This

737
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: guy who grew up and learned one of the most

738
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: important truths you can learn as a tall white guy,

739
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: which is that there's all it's a superpower. You know,

740
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: if you're a tall white guy and you just balls

741
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: your way into a situation with confidence, nan out of

742
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: ten people will listen to you. Night Nazis, Nazis. I

743
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I mean, we're supposed to kill these people,

744
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: but look at how tall and white he is, and

745
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: he's got that paper with all the stamps on it.

746
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess, I guess we don't kill

747
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: these people. It's crazy. It's wild. Get all the train,

748
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: Get off the train, Get off the train. Look at

749
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: how tall this guys. Get off the train. Yeah, that's amazing.

750
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: That's an amazing story. Yeah, never heard of him. That's wild.

751
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: I don't even I am so upset with the USSR. Yeah,

752
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: it's pretty frustrating. Sweden. Yeah, God, that is so annoying.

753
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: It's like you just the man did so much. It's

754
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: so much in like five or six months, saved a thousand. Sorry,

755
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: we're neutral. Yeah, yeah, so be like Raoul Wallenberg, print

756
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: some fake passports and go save people. Speak loudly. Yeah,

757
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: be tall, do crime, save lives. Yellot fascist, yellot fat,

758
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: yell at fascists, but productively yellot fascists to get them

759
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: to be less fashion. Do you think that would work

760
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: with the alt right? If you just want to just

761
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: spoke loud, like guys, I don't know about this. It's

762
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: worth shop. I don't know. He's talking quite loud. And

763
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: waffle house, yeah, waffle house, yeah, yeah, and just give

764
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: them heart disease through waffle house. Just poison all the waffles. Yeah,

765
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: that's the Budapest way, fry everything. Oh yeah, I do

766
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: want to go back to Hungary. You need more. It's

767
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: actually quite cheap too, yeah, very inexpensive place. Yeah, I

768
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: recommend kind of a dictator in charge. Now, that part

769
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: is not great, isn't. Europe is just like us. They

770
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: go back and forth. The same thing with Poland it's

771
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: happening over there as well. Yeah. Yeah, people have some

772
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: fascism in charge. Forget how bad it went the last time,

773
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: and they're like, what if we try bad again? Yeah,

774
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: maybe not everyone will die this time. Yeah, Well we're

775
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: on a wave. We better hope. There's a couple of

776
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: Wallenberg's waiting in the wings getting their degrees in architecture

777
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: right now, learning how to use their power as tall,

778
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: balding white men to shout the world and do a

779
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: better place I hope. So I need someone to just

780
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: tell me where to go. I know. That's that's why

781
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: it works. Yeah. So this is a great story about

782
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: the power of lives and bullshit to save lives. I

783
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: love that part of it because I'm a big fan

784
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: aalizing bullshite. Great thing to be able to do. Anna

785
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: pluga bless You can listen to my podcast with sharene

786
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: Units called Ethnically Ambiguous on the House Stuff Works Network. Yeah,

787
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: you can follow me on Twitter, Anna host n. I

788
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: tweet about stuff. I retweet Robert every once a while.

789
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: Robert just posted a really crazy video how to get

790
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: out of like speaking of heroes, when you fall through ice. Yeah,

791
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: and he did it by falling through ice on the

792
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: video and then like calmly explaining the things that you

793
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: need to do to extricate yourself from that situation. It's incredible.

794
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: It's truly like well, and it teaches you these things.

795
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: There's a similarity in that video between what Wallenberg did,

796
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: which is that when the guy first falls in the ice.

797
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: You can hear in his voice that he's in a

798
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: pretty dire straight because it's shocking and and that's why

799
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: most people dies, that they panic in that moment of

800
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: extreme pain. And he walks you through that, like you

801
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: just have to breathe for a while and calm down

802
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: and realize the cold's not going to kill you right away.

803
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: You have time, it passes, You have time to think

804
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: through your actions and calmly and decisively extricate yourself in

805
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: the situation and in every dangerous situation I've ever been,

806
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: and that really is the key, is like, Okay, my

807
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: body is telling me to take certain actions right now,

808
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: but maybe I should think for just a second and

809
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 1: like figure out calmly, Like you almost never need to

810
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: take that sort of panic thrash response. It's all about

811
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: moving with purpose. And yeah, yeah it's great video. Yeah,

812
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: look it up somewhere. It's on your Twitter. Look up

813
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: guy falls through ice YouTube or my Twitter. Just today,

814
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: but I will have tweeted probably fifty times a rollback

815
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: form nonsense. Yeah, yeah, I don't even know what day

816
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: it is. So thanks for having me, Thanks for being

817
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Speaker 1: on Yep, you can buy a T shirt, you know,

818
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: I should, you should buy a T shirt, and you

819
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: listening should buy a T shirt from t Publix behind

820
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Speaker 1: the Bastard store phone cases as well, cocaine spoons. Sophie

821
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Speaker 1: is saying that they're they sell branded coke spoons now fantastic,

822
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Speaker 1: So Fleetwood Mac, if you're listening branded coketotes, branded coke tootes, yep. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Also Fleetwood Mac. We're really really aiming for that. Sweet

824
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Speaker 1: Fleetwood Mac immigrants sending to blow cocaine up your butt.

825
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. You can find me on Twitter at

826
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: I right, Okay, you can find my book A Brief

827
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: History of Ice. It's a great Christmas gift, although this

828
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: will probably be running like the day before Christmas. But

829
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: you can buy a kindle book anytime. Amazon Prime man

830
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Speaker 1: speaking of gigantic evil machines that destroy the support the evils.

831
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: Oh god, this paper is even from Amazon. Why Amazon

832
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: selling paper? Do everything, Robert, There's nothing you can at

833
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: one point came through the hands of Amazon. Anyway, Amazon,

834
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: if you want to throw some ad rev oar No boy, No,

835
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Speaker 1: by the way, my home generates misery made by Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Wait what yeah, I live in a Prime home. No,

837
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Speaker 1: you're lying. It's not it's coming. Oh no, I mean

838
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Speaker 1: I'm sure we will all live in Prime homes. Yeah.

839
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Speaker 1: I live in the Prime apartment complex. There's no bathrooms,

840
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: there's a hole in the wall. You have to deliver

841
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: three packages every morning. Part of your ready to just

842
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: start working Amazon. Amazon has started to do this thing

843
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: where like they just have random people delivering stuff. They

844
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Speaker 1: do they're not good at They just show up in

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Speaker 1: random cars. Just see packages lying everywhere now where. It's like,

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Speaker 1: you guys don't know how to do this job. They

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Speaker 1: really they it's third party all the way. They just

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Speaker 1: are like, yeah, you can do it. Half of them

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Speaker 1: don't deliver your packages. You're like, why do you have

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Speaker 1: this job? But random people just did everything for nothing,

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Speaker 1: and that's how our company works. And I get a

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Speaker 1: billion dollars a day. That's the Jeff Bezos planned. He's

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Speaker 1: another guy just was like talking very loudly, and we're

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Speaker 1: all like, yeah, that's why I have so much respect

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Speaker 1: for the one guy who doesn't use that power for evil.

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Speaker 1: Rou Wallenberg, so he was in charge of Amazon. Probably

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Speaker 1: just be a company dedicated to saving Syrian refugees. Amazon Prime,

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Speaker 1: you just literally get we just ship them out of

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Speaker 1: the country. You're just delivered to your house, and just

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Speaker 1: take care of them, help them started your life. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you're listening Amazon, that's what you should be doing

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Speaker 1: to the Greek the islands in Greece. I will stop

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Speaker 1: talking smack if you just start shipping people out of country.

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Speaker 1: Cameroon too, can maybe use it. Ugly stuff going on

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Speaker 1: there anyway, anywhere anywhere where there's some serious strife with

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Speaker 1: the people Honduras. Ship people out of there. Send them

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Speaker 1: to Ohio. No, that seemed to mean to them. Send

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Speaker 1: them to Michigan. Yeah, Rollenberg would appreciate that. Yeah, Michigan,

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Speaker 1: nice place, beautiful, beautiful. All right, Well, this has been

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Speaker 1: the episode Mary Holidays. Enjoy your winter times, eat egg nog,

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Speaker 1: fight Nazis. I love about you.