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Speaker 1: And welcome to Thursdays. This is a Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: and I were just in the locker room. A few

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Speaker 1: players spoke, specifically Leonard Williams. Will get into what he

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Speaker 1: had to say as he gets set to go up

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Speaker 1: against his former team, the Jets this Sunday a MetLife Stadium.

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Speaker 1: But Paul off the top. Let's start with the latest

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Speaker 1: on the injury front, because I think that is the

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Speaker 1: most telling piece of news that has come to the

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Speaker 1: forefront today, and the biggest news revolves around the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: As Pat Shermer spoke to the media earlier today and

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Speaker 1: revealed that John Hallapeo starting center is ways away, So

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Speaker 1: that means Spencer Pulley is going to start against the

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Speaker 1: new York Jets. Polly started nine games last year when

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Speaker 1: Hallapeo went down in Week two against the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: broke his legs. So this is the luxury that the

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Speaker 1: Giants have another player who has plenty of starting experience

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Speaker 1: going back to his days with the Chargers. Then the

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Speaker 1: other aspect of the offensive line is Mike Remers. Mike

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Speaker 1: Remers is right now. If he if he can't go

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Speaker 1: at the right tackle position, Nick Gates would slide in.

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Speaker 1: So we could potentially have two new faces on the

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Speaker 1: offensive line. And you know, while this has been a

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Speaker 1: last few seasons, they've actually kept the entire offensive line

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Speaker 1: together for the first nine games of the season. We

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Speaker 1: haven't had any injuries that we've had to discuss. No,

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Speaker 1: that's very true, Lands, And when you talk about Polly,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy who last year, when he

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Speaker 1: only allowed two and a half sacks and did a

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Speaker 1: marvelous job, in my opinion, of getting to the second level.

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Speaker 1: Those of you who have listened to me either on

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Speaker 1: the fan or MSG or for that matter, this program,

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Speaker 1: know about my admiration for Spencer Polly. I thought that

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Speaker 1: last year you could make a very strong argument that

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Speaker 1: during the second half of the season, when he got

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Speaker 1: into the lineup, he was about as good an offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman as the Giants had during that part of the schedule.

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Speaker 1: And so I thought when they resigned him, not only

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Speaker 1: was it a brilliant move, I gave him the edge.

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Speaker 1: I thought he would win the setter's job coming out

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Speaker 1: of training camp this season. But of course John Hallapeo,

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Speaker 1: who had come off of the broken leg which he

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Speaker 1: to come back. He rehabed. Good for him. He's a

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Speaker 1: great guy. Everybody likes him. Wonderful, wonderful guy who has

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Speaker 1: been through the wars many times. I think he's got

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Speaker 1: like five years of pro football experience at all different levels. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The Giants decided that it was basically almost a fifty

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Speaker 1: fifty battle and that Hallapel was the favorite guy now.

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Speaker 1: As I had said before in the past, Hallapeo was

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Speaker 1: a little bit wider, bigger frame, known to be a

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Speaker 1: Pulley would win the job. It didn't happen that way. Now,

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Speaker 1: what I will say is Pulley is you've also heard

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Speaker 1: the question that he could hold the job and win

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Speaker 1: I just hope that, whatever the case may be, they

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Speaker 1: Nick Gates, as you said, the second year player out

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Speaker 1: He's played a little bit as the jumbo tight end

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Speaker 1: If Remors can't get better, he didn't was not practicing today.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about Paula Giants offense that is gonna

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Speaker 1: The thing about concussions is even when a player starts

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Speaker 1: It is such a fluid situation, Paul. You could have

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Speaker 1: So that's why everything has to be on the table

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Speaker 1: Jason is in eastern Maine. Jason, Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 1: What do you have us? Dot? Right? How you doing? Don? Alright? Guys,

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Speaker 1: football like you, the football identity, and football intimidation. So

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Speaker 1: first I would rather have guys who are getting beaten

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Speaker 1: because they just flat out Aren has talented a lot

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Speaker 1: of the mental mistakes that you're seeing. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: just gonna single out of player. I'm not gonna do that.

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Speaker 1: There's so many things wrong here. But I'm also going

435
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Speaker 1: to go right to the top all the way down

436
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Speaker 1: to the bottom. The some of the players, they just

437
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Speaker 1: don't even look like they know what they're doing, and

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Speaker 1: then coming out and then it's they're just out there

439
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Speaker 1: floating around, running the wrong player or they don't know

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Speaker 1: the play. This is part of the part what the

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Speaker 1: Patriots do great. You know your job, there's not you're

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Speaker 1: out of there. This is one of those things with football,

443
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Speaker 1: like you, you also got to make adjustments. And I

444
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Speaker 1: want to put out a little before I get to

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Speaker 1: the other two points with Pat Shermer his best coaching year.

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Speaker 1: And I remember when he was with Minnesota the year

447
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Speaker 1: before he got hired with the Giants, he had two

448
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Speaker 1: running backs in Murray and McKinnon after Cook went down.

449
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Speaker 1: That was their identity, the i Q of the team

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Speaker 1: of that vikings, not because case Keenan was really good.

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Speaker 1: What they were a smart team and their identity with

452
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Speaker 1: the mixed backfield, which leads me to Barkley as well.

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Speaker 1: He needs a real complimentary back. As big and as

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Speaker 1: strong as he is, he's more of the finest type.

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Speaker 1: And Wayne Goldman having zero carries is unacceptable. The next

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Speaker 1: point that leads to is the football identity, and the

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Speaker 1: identity leads to complimentary football. And I'm gonna take it

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Speaker 1: back to Gettleman's first thing with his first press conference,

459
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Speaker 1: run the ball, stuff to run, get to the passer.

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Speaker 1: That is Giants football right there. And they to me,

461
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Speaker 1: the Giants right now currently look like a team without

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Speaker 1: an identity, and the best way to protect Daniel Jones

463
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Speaker 1: is to run the ball down list throw too much shotgun,

464
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Speaker 1: not enough under center, not enough play action, not enough

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Speaker 1: moving the pocket. It's predictable in shotgun. And the last

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Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna lead to is the intimidation. You've gotta

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Speaker 1: be physical. This team is getting intimidated instead of being intimiddator.

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Speaker 1: You're all right, Well, we'll let you go on that

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Speaker 1: note a lot that you threw out there, don and

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Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. In terms of his point about

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings, which I would agree with, they certainly

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Speaker 1: were a well disciplined team. I think you also need

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Speaker 1: to take it the consideration they had Adam Feeland and

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Speaker 1: Stefon Diggs, two really good receivers. Case Keenom took care

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Speaker 1: of the football. That's also important to note. They had

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Speaker 1: a really good defense. Okay, you know, let's not forget

477
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Speaker 1: about all of these things. The defense was one of

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Speaker 1: the top units in the NFL when Pat Shermer was

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Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. The defense made plays. The defense took

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Speaker 1: pressure off of the offense. And that's not a luxury

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Speaker 1: that the Giants have right now this season. So if

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Speaker 1: you just want to examine the offense, I get your point,

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Speaker 1: But you gotta look at the other side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: You know, Mike Zimmer and company, you know, I had

485
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Speaker 1: one of the best defensive units in the league. Go

486
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Speaker 1: and look up that group statistically. The other thing is

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Speaker 1: I would not necessarily classify Jerick McKinnon and Latavius Murray

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Speaker 1: in the same class as se Kwon Barkley, true workhorses

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Speaker 1: that are capable and have a track record of having

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Speaker 1: about twenty carries a game, whereas Barkley does have that,

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Speaker 1: even though his sample size may be relatively small because

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Speaker 1: he hasn't been in the league very long, so the

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Speaker 1: dynamics a little bit different in terms of the comparison

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Speaker 1: to the Minnesota Vikings. Paul that the caller was mentioning

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Speaker 1: there as with respect to his larger points. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you've gotta be able to run the football, you gotta

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Speaker 1: be able to stop the run, and you've got to

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Speaker 1: be able to win the battle in the trenches. But

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that that's just necessarily a Giant's identity.

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Speaker 1: I think good teams across the league do that. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that has as the necessarily anything to do

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Speaker 1: with the Giants. I think any team that wants to

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs consistently and be a force has to

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Speaker 1: win those battles. Well, you know how I feel about

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Speaker 1: balancing about power football. The Giants are running the ball

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Speaker 1: just overt percent of the time, which is the fourth

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Speaker 1: lowest percentage in the NFL right now. Last year they

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Speaker 1: ran it just about thirty six percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking minuscule carries be queen last year and

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Speaker 1: this year. In terms of the percentage, it's not much. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The problem is, let's not get ourselves. When you get

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Speaker 1: in consistent production, whether it's in the passing game or

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Speaker 1: in the running game. You're putting extra stress on a

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Speaker 1: defense that, as we all know, is challenged right now,

515
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Speaker 1: and you can't do that. So when the caller says

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Speaker 1: you've got to play complimentary football, well, really, what he's

517
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Speaker 1: trying to say is the defense is challenged. You have

518
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Speaker 1: to do everything you can to help them out from

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Speaker 1: the outside, i e. Having an offense that's going to

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Speaker 1: consistently control the clock. And how many times have you

521
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Speaker 1: heard me say on this show when you're a mediocre team,

522
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Speaker 1: one of the best ways to help yourself is to

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Speaker 1: control the time of possession, and especially in the first

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Speaker 1: half of games. The Giants have not done a good

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Speaker 1: job with that at all. The problem is, though, when

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Speaker 1: you consistently get down fourteen nothing, seventeen nothing, which had

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Speaker 1: been the case before the Dallas game, and that's what

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Speaker 1: happens when you give up nine minutes scoring drives in

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Speaker 1: the rest staff. Well, but then all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: there's a little bit more urgency. I guess my point is, Paul,

531
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Speaker 1: to put points on the board, and you wanted to

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Speaker 1: go into a game saying, Hey, we're gonna pound the football,

533
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Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, you gotta get into

534
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Speaker 1: a two minute type of offense and you gotta start

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Speaker 1: throwing the football. So I don't think game flow has

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Speaker 1: allowed the Giants have the luxury of that complementary type

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Speaker 1: of football and that balance that the caller was hitting on.

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Speaker 1: There is a counter to that lance, and that is

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Speaker 1: you take the opening kickoff and you go down the

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Speaker 1: field and put seven points on the board on the

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Speaker 1: first drive, as opposed to deferring. You're saying, that's the

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Speaker 1: counter to that. If you really want to force feed

543
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Speaker 1: a resistance to what you're talking about, you take the

544
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Speaker 1: ball right out of the get go and you take

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Speaker 1: it eight minutes down the field and slam it into

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Speaker 1: the end zone for a touchdown and then put the

547
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Speaker 1: other team on their heels and at the same time

548
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: have controlled the clock in the time of possession and

549
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Speaker 1: giving your defense and opportunity a fresh start if you will,

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Speaker 1: to try to see some momentum. Choo zero one, five,

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Speaker 1: one three is the telephone number. Let's head back to

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Speaker 1: the lines. Jose is in Orlando. Jose, Welcome to Big

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Speaker 1: Blue Kick Off Live. What a gap for us, Good afternoon,

554
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Speaker 1: Lands and Paul, how are you guys. You used to

555
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Speaker 1: talk to you, all right, good, I awesome. I call

556
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Speaker 1: it often. I just have a couple of things I

557
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Speaker 1: want to unwrap here and bear with me for a second. Um,

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Speaker 1: And I respect you guys that listened to the show

559
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: all the time. I call in all the time. There

560
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: is one thing, though, that I disagree with a little bit.

561
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Speaker 1: The first call. I wanted to talk about a draft pick.

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Speaker 1: And I get that that it's early in the season,

563
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Speaker 1: but right now we have guys that are employed by

564
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Speaker 1: the New York Football Giants while out there scouting players,

565
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: so are always looking to get this team better. I

566
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Speaker 1: guess maybe he just wanted to give a suggestions. First

567
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Speaker 1: of all, Jose, First of all, let me jump in.

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Speaker 1: Number one. He did not give a legitimate prospect. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's number one. Okay, so that's why we shot him down. Yeah, exactly, Okay,

570
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Speaker 1: that that was number one. Number Number two, as you

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Speaker 1: well know, is somebody who's listening and followed to this program. Paul,

572
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Speaker 1: John and I and Jeff when he's here in the

573
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Speaker 1: off season, we spend every single week we go over

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Speaker 1: prospects from every single team. We are going to exhaust

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Speaker 1: the same amount of resources, as we've done every single

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Speaker 1: off season, and we don't need to continue to prove ourselves.

577
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Speaker 1: So when we're trying to focus on the season, you know,

578
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Speaker 1: forgive us some wanting to actually focus on the season.

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Speaker 1: Well then okay, so then what exactly are you saying?

580
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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that what I wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even want to talk about prospects. And I

582
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: know that dude was trying to be funny, you know,

583
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Speaker 1: And I know we get that opportunity to talk to

584
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Speaker 1: call you guys later and talk about draft picks. And

585
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: I get that, and there will be opportunities where I'll

586
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Speaker 1: call back and talk about that. What I really want

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00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: to say, first and foremost, more than anything, if you

588
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Speaker 1: guys see Sterling Shephard out there, please tell them that

589
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: our fans are pulling from them. It's it's not easy

590
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: coming back from two concussions that close in time. I

591
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: played ball before, and I coached down here in Florida.

592
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: I coach football as well, so I know that's not

593
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Speaker 1: easy what he's going through. And if they put him

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Speaker 1: on the shelf for the rest of the year, as

595
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Speaker 1: as an ex player and as a coach and as

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Speaker 1: a fan of the New York Giants, I won't be

597
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: upset with that because he needs to get better. That's

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Speaker 1: number one. UM. The thing I want to talk about

599
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Speaker 1: is I have a scenario question for you guys, And

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Speaker 1: this is one thing that I'm looking at. And I

601
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Speaker 1: know you guys had opportunity to talk to players and

602
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: see players. You're on the inside. A lot of us

603
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Speaker 1: don't see. Now. One thing I want to talk about

604
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: is the offensive line. There's some things and some mistakes

605
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: that I'm looking at. I record games, I watched them.

606
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Speaker 1: I don't follow the football. When I watch games, I

607
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: look at players and things and I'm seeing some things,

608
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Speaker 1: and correct me if I'm wrong, guys, if maybe I

609
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: might be seeing something incorrectly. Is I'm seeing some of

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Speaker 1: the mistakes that our offensive line is making that they

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00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: were making last year with different players. So I don't

612
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: think that the issue could be the players. That could

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00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 1: be maybe there's opportunity for our offensive line coaches because

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Speaker 1: and I'll be specific, there were some stunts that the

615
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: Data's Cowboys are running against us that we lost that

616
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: we're messing up with stunts again with the guarden, our guarden,

617
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: our centers, and our tackles weren't communicating with each other

618
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Speaker 1: on stunts, and these are things that teams are starting

619
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Speaker 1: to game plan against our offensive line where those are

620
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: things that they could they're coachable, those are things that

621
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 1: can be corrected. So hopefully we'll see that we're not

622
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Speaker 1: heading towards a trend where this thing continues to happen.

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Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that the Giants will make adjustments again.

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Speaker 1: I know they talked about I know coach Herm talks

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Speaker 1: about it as well. And lastly, I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: give you this one thing. You're gonna get calls from

627
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Speaker 1: fans that are demanding for coach Sherm Tumor to get fired,

628
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Speaker 1: and I think that's ridiculous, And sorry, Sherman, You're right.

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Speaker 1: I think that's ridiculous because people, for some reason think

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Speaker 1: that if you fire the head coach, your team is

631
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Speaker 1: gonna make it to the playoffs, even if they hire

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Speaker 1: like Bill Valichick. Of course, you guys gotta you guys

633
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: gotta know, and fans need to understand that if you

634
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: do go about that route, you're gonna back your team

635
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: up a little more because what's gonna have to happen

636
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: the new coach is gonna have to bring his coaches

637
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: in putting his game plan, and that takes time. So

638
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: hold pump the brakes a little bit on the on

639
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: the firing of our head coach. I'm just thinking about

640
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll make adjustments. I appreciate you guys giving me

641
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: a chance to event and to talk, but I'm really

642
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: excited for next year. Again, even though we have more

643
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: games pulled out. I'm excited for us to continue to

644
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Speaker 1: build because when gentleman came, I always said, Okay, it's

645
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: gonna be a three or four year process. With that said, guys,

646
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: thank you for taking my car. Respect you guys. Hope

647
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: you have a wonderful week. Alright, calls back again, thanks

648
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: so much for waying in. You also don't want to

649
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,239
Speaker 1: start exposing your young quarterback to multiple offenses early in

650
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: his career too. And also I said this multiple times

651
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: that I go it again. There's a reason why certain

652
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: franchises who play the game of musical chairs with their

653
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: head coaches do not make the playoffs for decades. Forget years, Gates,

654
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: and all you need to do is look at the

655
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: team that Pat Trebber worked for previously. The Cleveland Browns,

656
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: who have had a lot of different head coach and

657
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: a lot of different quarterbacks. By the way, over a

658
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: short period of time, forget a long period of time.

659
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines. Let's go to

660
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Speaker 1: Scott in New Mexico. Scott, Welcome to the program. What

661
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: do you go for us? Hi, guys, how are you

662
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: doing today? What's happening? Um? First, it's very interested in

663
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: that in the callers and your analysis of what they

664
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: were saying. But I think, Paul, you had one of

665
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: the more salient points I guess for the entire season

666
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: because I always, and I think I've made this statement

667
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: numerous times about the running attack and how important is

668
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: and how you don't make the playoffs unless you can run.

669
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: I was looking at the statistics lately and in six games,

670
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: Sir Colon Barkley has averaged about sixty six yards approximately,

671
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: and Wayne Goldman's averaging about thirteen yards, And obviously it's

672
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: approximately about eighty yards between the two of them. Potentially,

673
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: I know Squan may not be at all not he's not,

674
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm not telling anything. You don't know

675
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: he he knows he's not. Is an issue and you

676
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: know he's gonna have to deal with it the rest

677
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: of the year. But in regards to this, a lot

678
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: of the running place David deal touched on this. They're

679
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 1: not running permiere excuse me, perimeter runs. They're running up

680
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: the middle. And in the last game you had I

681
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: think fourteen carries for twenty yards for the Colon Barkley.

682
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: So isn't this the very definition of insanity of trying

683
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: to duplicate the same things game and game out, because

684
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: obviously you both know the definition of insanity trying to

685
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: replicate something expecting different results, and game after game you

686
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: can watch what's going on and you see that the

687
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: runs up the middle or they're getting nowhere. So and

688
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: they haven't changed it for nine games. So I'm wondering what.

689
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: And regards to the last caller in regards to coaching,

690
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: the but has to stop someplace, and the person who

691
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: calls the place, who sets the tenor for the team

692
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: as the head coach, whether you believe he should be

693
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: fired or not, it's inconsequential to me. It's what the

694
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: performances from game to game. And Lance you were saying

695
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: that the teams are getting behind, but I don't know

696
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: what the average number of UH snaps you get in

697
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: the game or all possession. It's roughly about seventy two

698
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: seventy three. It used to be about sixty five, but

699
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: the game is sped up a little bit, okay, So

700
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: I don't think necessarily even if you're down seven nothing,

701
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: or even down fourteen nothing, you will abandon the run.

702
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: But the real thing is, how do you get a

703
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: motivational scenario going with the offensive line which seems to

704
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: be underperforming. And I mentioned this lance and I think

705
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: I was on a conversation with you with John about

706
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: the team regressing because I came up with statistics from

707
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: vers they were virtually the same. So I'm looking at

708
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: a team that doesn't seem to be performing, but someone

709
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: has to take responsibility for that. Him't be just to

710
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: blanket no one is doing anything right, because there is

711
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: one person that does set the tenor for the team.

712
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: And I wanted to get Europeans which will be glad

713
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: to take off the air and regards to that, because

714
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: otherwise coaches would never get fired. And that's the thing

715
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: that bothers me because I think the nucleus of the

716
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: team is there. They have players, I know there's been injuries,

717
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: but every team has been injured this year in the NFL.

718
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean, look at San Francisco, which hasn't lost the game,

719
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: and they lost both of their tackles McGlinchey and Staley

720
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: and they're still playing extraordinarily well. So, uh my, my

721
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: frustration not frustration, but why I'm perplexed about this is

722
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: why it hasn't this situation, certainly with the running attack,

723
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: been corrected by them. Man, thanks you guys. I'll listen

724
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: to your comments off the air. Sure Scott appreciate the

725
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: phocal Thanks so much. Away name. Well, let's attack this

726
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: into in two pieces. Okay. It's been my general philosophy,

727
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: as stated everywhere for years, is that the play calling

728
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: and the head coach should be separate. Uh I don't.

729
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: I don't run away from that. This has nothing to

730
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: do with Pat Shermer in particular. I have always said

731
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: the head coach should not call the plays his offensive

732
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: coordinators should. There are fourteen head coaches in the NFL today.

733
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: Out of the thirty two who call their own plays,

734
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: ten of them previously came from a system where the

735
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: head coach had called his own plays, so they were

736
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: groomed in it, much like Pat Shermer was. Remember he's

737
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: an Andy readied for years, for years until he changed recently,

738
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: but for years. So this is what these guys know. Okay.

739
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: I don't blame them for it. I don't say that

740
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 1: they're wrong for it. My preference just happens to be

741
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: that the head coach does not call the plays. It's

742
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: my opinion that this game is so complicated, it's so fast,

743
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: it's so fluid, that there are too many things going on.

744
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: It's like a squirrel trying to cross the New Jersey Turnpike.

745
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: It's in my opinion, Okay, I would not want that

746
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: type of of of situation going on in my head

747
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: on game day, while the clock is rolling and while

748
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: the ball isn't play. I personally would like to see

749
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: that part of it off my plate so that I

750
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: could manage the game as opposed to calling the details

751
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: of the game. I'd much rather manage the game. And

752
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: that's what Parcels did, That's what Tom Coughlin did. Okay,

753
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: that's Is it any wonder that I would feel that way.

754
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: I mean, those are the guys who I who you know,

755
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: I cut my teeth on so that's how I feel.

756
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with Pat Sherman. Let me

757
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: make that very very clear. But that's a an apples

758
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: and orange is thing. I prefer apples. Other people prefer oranges.

759
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: So that's the first thing I would say to you.

760
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: How I differ from what's happening here right now. Again,

761
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying anybody's right or wrong, but it's a

762
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: preference that I have. The second part of the question,

763
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: when the Giants are running the football, okay, and they

764
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: get stuffed on these up the middle place many a

765
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: times it's coming against not just an ape Man box,

766
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: but actually a run blitz and to his point, or

767
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: one of the other callers points, the Giants offensive line

768
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: over the last two years has been very susceptible two

769
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: blitzes in the a gap, two stunts and twists to slants,

770
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: and this is one of the reasons why they match

771
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: up horribly with the Dallas defensive front. They have been

772
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: very susceptible to those things, even going back to last season.

773
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: No question, they've also this year, if you've noticed the

774
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, been very susceptible bowl to the

775
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: laid blitz is in the interior, Detroit and Dallas. It's

776
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: a copycat league. So so do I think that there's

777
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: some type of issue there, Yeah, I do. I do.

778
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what the coaches are telling the

779
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: players in the meeting rooms. I can't tell you that

780
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: I'm not in the meeting room. I can't tell you

781
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: if the players understand it. Again, I'm not in the

782
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: meeting room. We don't get to watch full practice. We

783
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: get to watch fifteen to twenty minutes of special teams

784
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: warm ups and positional drills. Well, guess what. Those things

785
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: don't occur during that open period of the media. So

786
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: I can't give you an answer to that either. But

787
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 1: I can say you are right. Those things are apparent

788
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: when you look at the tape. It's not happening. Those

789
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: things need to be fixed somehow, some way. They need

790
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: to be fixed. I can't tell you how, but I

791
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: can absolutely confirm that those things are a problem. As

792
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: far as your point about the play calling, listen, I

793
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: see pros and cons on both sides. I don't think

794
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: there's one right way that that's why it's there. Was

795
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: they would be doing it the same way because, for example,

796
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: Sean Payton and Sean McVeigh come to mind to our

797
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: head coaches who called their plays, and they've had fairly

798
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,959
Speaker 1: good success. We've seen Ben McAdoo start as the play

799
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: call and then he handed it off to Mike Sullivan.

800
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: So we've also seen Mike McCarthy with the Packers start

801
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: off as the play call and then you know what, say, hey,

802
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to allow somebody else to do it. Variety

803
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: of different ways of doing things. But I also think

804
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: that you can't dismiss the fact that a big part

805
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: of why certain coaches are hired to be head coaches,

806
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: Paul is because their heir ability to come up with

807
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: plays and call plays. So what's the purpose of hiring

808
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: a coach because of what he does from an offensive

809
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: standpoint and then telling him, okay, you come here after

810
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: five games, that's it, give up the play calling. Then

811
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: it defeats the purpose of hiring that coach. So I

812
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: think that's why a lot of guys also hold onto it,

813
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: because that was a big selling point as to how

814
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: they got the job, especially a guy like Sean McVeigh

815
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: for example. They love the fact that he was a

816
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: creative play caller, and I don't blame him even when

817
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: the Rams hit a three game losing streak for him

818
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: to not say, hey, you know what, I'm gonna give

819
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: up the play calling because we've hit a patch where

820
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: we're struggling twos one, one, three. Outside of Doug Peterson,

821
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: who was the last head coach who called his own

822
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: plays and won a Super Bowl, Oh, won a super Bowl? Wow, Well,

823
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: the Patriots have won so many i'd have to bring

824
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: up the list of Super Bowl champs. Do you have

825
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: it in front of you here? I'm I'm gonna go

826
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: all the way back to the two thousand ten Green

827
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: Bay Packers. That's how long it was McCarthy with McCarthy

828
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: and Peyton the year before that, and as far as

829
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: I can tell just by looking at this very very

830
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: very very briefly, uh, those are probably the only two

831
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: that I can find. But well, but I think also

832
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: it would be interesting to see playoffs success and I'm

833
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: opposed to winning. And I'm only talking about maybe the

834
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: last twenty years, because we all know Tom Landry called

835
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: the place with the Cowboys when they won championships, so

836
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: that that goes back a long, long way. I'm talking

837
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: about today's NFL in the last twenty years, I'm thinking,

838
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: and again, police, this is a very unofficial, quick ten

839
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: second glance, I'm thinking those are the only guys. Well,

840
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: but here's the thing. What about on the flip side,

841
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: what about a head coach who calls his own defensive place.

842
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: Do you consider that as part of the equation or

843
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: are you just looking at the offensive guys. The reason

844
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: I bring that up you know Dan Quinn when the

845
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: Falcons got there, you know he was heavily involved in

846
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: terms of the play calling for the defense, not the offense,

847
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: because you had Kyle Shannon Here's so do you consider

848
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: that as part of this conversation we're having. The question

849
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: becomes does the head coach call the specific plays? Does

850
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: he have the play card and does he call the

851
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: specific plays? Or does he do what Coughlin did, and

852
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: that is Gilbride calls the plays, Tom here's it in

853
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: the headset and has the right to veto or change

854
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: the car. Well, unless somebody is gonna publicly reveal that,

855
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: it's hard to really truly tell, Okay, what exactly has happened.

856
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: I know how the Giants have always done it, and

857
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: I know how Coughlin ran it. I know whiw parcels

858
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: ran it when their heart was calling the place again,

859
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: that's where I cut my teeth. So that's my preference

860
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: and I stand by that. I'm not I'm not going

861
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: to back off of it. I'm also not going to

862
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: say that the other side is wrong. Let's add back

863
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: to the phone lines two five, one three. Cecil is

864
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: in the Bronx cecil. Welcome to Big Blue Kick Off Live.

865
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: What do you got for us? How are your fellows

866
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: doing today? I'm trying to pinpoint the problems of the Giants,

867
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: and I feel that both trenches need to be upgraded

868
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: before we can start to make any progress. The offensive

869
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: line and is they're not strong enough at the point

870
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: of attack. That's why Barkley is only getting two yards

871
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: per carry or whatever. Everybody's getting pushed backwards or sideways

872
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: when we play the Cowboys because all they do is

873
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: coming on slants and they have to get stronger. They

874
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: have to eat the draft guys. That's stronger on offensive

875
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: line because the weight room is not working for the

876
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: guys that we have now. They have to get some

877
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: free agents. That's that's strong on the on the offensive

878
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: and the defensive line. And how do you feel about

879
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: going to a four three since we have more accomplished

880
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: linemen than linebackers. I I am in favor, and I

881
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: have said it publicly. I'm in favor of a four

882
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: or three, especially since Leondard Williams came in that trade.

883
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: But that's just me. Again, that's just me. It's simply

884
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: a preference because I know the coach. He he likes

885
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: the three four. But that's just background. And again that's

886
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: what and again that's why he was hired. For now.

887
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: When we had Connolly, I felt we were making a

888
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: little progress, but that only lasted I think one game

889
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: before and again again, we knew that as the Giants

890
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: were in phase two of their reconstruction, that depth was

891
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 1: going to be an issue. You know, in phase two

892
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: you're still trying to build as competitive a team as possible.

893
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: You don't have the luxury of necessarily adding depth to

894
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: the equation until you get the phase three. So when

895
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: a guy like Condilly, who was an a media producer

896
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: out of the draft, is doing well and then goes down,

897
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna be taken on water. You know

898
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a problem because there should be no

899
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: surprise the Giants understood that in Phase two depth that

900
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: several positions was going to be extremely fit. Okay, but

901
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: why is he testing our death by trying to play

902
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: four linebackers when the linebacker unit is you know, it's

903
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 1: not really up the NFL standards. Well, I mean, Golden

904
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: we're a little stronger. Well, Golden though is a proven

905
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: veteran who's produced this season. Lorenzo Carter they're developing, so

906
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: they want to obviously continue to give him playing time.

907
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: Alec Ogletree is a veteran and they just brought in

908
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: day Own Buchanans. So I mean, those are four guys

909
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: right there that you can easily put on the field.

910
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: Is your four linebackers. It's not as if if they

911
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: were throwing out four rookies. See. So, I I understand

912
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,479
Speaker 1: your point and you're saying, well, maybe it makes sense

913
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: to put more defensive lineman in, but you know a

914
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: lot of those guys that just named this is not

915
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: their first rodeo. You know, we're talking about veterans, and

916
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: then Lorenzo Carter, who once again they feel is going

917
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: to be a big part of the defense moving forward.

918
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: So the answer is not to then put him on

919
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: the bench. And let him observe. The answer is to

920
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: let him go out and play. So I'm not saying

921
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: answer them. I'm saying, play the best three linebackers. But

922
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: we're getting gassed on the run because we're not strong

923
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: enough on the line. So if you put four linement

924
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: Elliot said he had the easiest hundred forty yards. Well,

925
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: of course he did well because because the Dallas offensive

926
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: line up front was building up the holes. But to me,

927
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: it's not so simple that you know, you bring in

928
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: an extra defensive lineman and now you're gonna start stopping

929
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: the run. The three guys that are upfront also need

930
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: to win their battles. To let's not excuse that that

931
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: goes hand in hand with stopping the run. To the

932
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: Giants are not the only defense in the NFL the

933
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: runs at three four. There's plenty of defenses that have

934
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: three guys up front. Then they get the job done,

935
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: or at least they stick to that defense. So I

936
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: don't think it's the philosophy just because you're struggling. Now,

937
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you try to bring in an

938
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: extra defensive lineman out there, and that's all of a

939
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: sudden gonna solve all your problems, I agree with you,

940
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: you put you put your best personnel on the field.

941
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: That I agree with you. But if James Betcher fields

942
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: that having the fourth linebacker out there gives him the

943
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: best chance to win, then that's how he's gonna operate

944
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: moving forward directed his two and seven. It hasn't been

945
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: proven on the field though, Well how many games do

946
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: you wanna try to experiment with that without making some

947
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: kind of changes. Well, and I think that's why they

948
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: brought in some other linebackers, since, you know, by adding

949
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: a guy like Buchanan who's seen his snap count go up.

950
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: Now the last game went from eleven to twenty eight snaps,

951
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that snap count's gonna go up. And also

952
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams was just acquired, so you know he's going

953
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: to get more and more comfortable as the weeks go along,

954
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: and you figure his snap count is going to continue

955
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: to increase, which even Pat Shermoer and James Betcher indicated

956
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't be surprised if that happened. So, you know,

957
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: a lot of the new faces they're just arriving. I

958
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: think we got to see a few more games before

959
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: you start saying they got to go in a completely

960
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: new direction, not not not new, just change it up

961
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: a little, you know. Well, but but but here's the thing.

962
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: They pay eleven personnel at the time. They switched it

963
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: up every now and then, So why not put the

964
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: poor alignment out there and see how that worked for

965
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: a look, you know, for a couple of series, and

966
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: see how I work switch it up when you have

967
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: something that some kind of basis to go off on

968
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: and see which direction you want to go. Well and

969
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: like and like I said, and like I said, since

970
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams just a rived, we're talking about one game

971
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: that he's been on the field, there's perhaps going to

972
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: be an opportunity to show that look more often. But

973
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, until we see a few more games with

974
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams out there, it's hard to say that that's

975
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: not going to be done. That's my larger point. And

976
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call, Seesel, Thanks so much for joining

977
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: the program here. You know they are going to continue

978
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: to employ Leonard Williams, Paul. I mean, even he himself said,

979
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 1: as impressive as it was to see how many snaps

980
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: he was out there and how active he was, you

981
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 1: know he was still asking Dexter Lawrence as a reminder, Okay,

982
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: what play are we in? Is this where I'm supposed

983
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: to line up? You can't expect him to snap his

984
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 1: fingers and everything to be, you know, sailing smoothly that quickly.

985
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: So once he's on the field, once he gets a

986
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: few more games under his belt, I don't think it's

987
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: crazy to think that maybe they switch up some of

988
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: the looks, but you can't expect that to happen immediately

989
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: after just one game. I understand, that's all. I just

990
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,479
Speaker 1: think that's asking for it is. It is, as coach

991
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: Summer has admitted though, and one of the easier positions

992
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: to make that adjustment if you're going to do it.

993
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: It is. But even Leonard Williams himself is not going

994
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: to be the first one to say, oh, yeah, I

995
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: just lined up and because I played defensive lineman for

996
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: the Jets, I just get after the quarterback. There's still

997
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: some nuances to a play that you have to know

998
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: the ins and out so you know if the player

999
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: and I don't think Leonard Williams is doing that, you know,

1000
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: to prevent himself from coming off. Is on the greatest

1001
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: defensive line. I think he was truthful. I think he

1002
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: was up Frank. He was being honest Frank, and he

1003
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: was saying, hey, it was a bit overwhelming last week. Yeah,

1004
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: I was adapted to a new team, new personnel, a

1005
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: new scheme, and yeah, there were times during the game

1006
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: where I looked over at Dexter Lawrence and I just

1007
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: wanted assurance from him that I was in the right

1008
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: spot and I don't play him. You know better you

1009
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: do that, then just go out on your own right

1010
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: on a tangent and act as if you know what

1011
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: you're doing. So I think he was brutally honest with

1012
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: the media when he was expressing that. And that's why

1013
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: I said, when callers are coming in and saying they

1014
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: should move this personnel around, if Leonard Williams is saying, hey,

1015
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm just getting my feet wet with the Giants, James

1016
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: Betcher is not gonna do his due diligence to say, well,

1017
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: let's get extremely creative week one. When Leonard Williams just arrived,

1018
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: it just to me, you're hurting the player more than

1019
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: you're helping him. I'll do those circumstances. It's it's a

1020
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: definitely a fair point. However, I would also add that,

1021
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, given the Giants troubles against the run this year,

1022
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: whether or not it was Leonard Williams or even old

1023
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: Saint Pierre, uh, you could certainly make a case for

1024
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: doing a lot more forthright. And you know, I I

1025
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: prefer it myself. But again, apples and oranges, I'm not

1026
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: going to tell anybody that they're right or they're wrong.

1027
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: I'm simply going to tell you what my preference is.

1028
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,439
Speaker 1: We got a few minutes left, a few callers still

1029
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: on the line, so I want to get an opportunity

1030
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: to have everybody voice what they have to say. But

1031
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: let's try to at least keep it short. Sweiteted to

1032
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: the point. Bruce is in Albany. Bruce, Welcome the Big

1033
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live. What do you got for us? Ally, guys,

1034
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad to see Spencer Polly is finally going to

1035
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: get a chance, a chance to get in there, because

1036
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: how apo this basic is his first year at center.

1037
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: He got hurt so early last year. Yeah, and I

1038
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: think if you look at the sample size that we

1039
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: have on both players now, I don't think there's in

1040
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: comparison a lot of the problems we were having on

1041
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: the offensive line last year. They went away when police

1042
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: started playing He's I think he's just a smarter center.

1043
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't care about how big he is or anything else.

1044
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 1: And the other thing is, i'd love to see Eli

1045
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: Manning call on the place. That is that a crazy idea?

1046
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: I can tell you that's not gonna happen. You could

1047
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: wish for it, but it's not gonna happen. Why not.

1048
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: The guy probably knows more about offense than anybody in

1049
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. I'd love seeing that. Well. I don't

1050
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: doubt his knowledge of the offense. I won't disagree with Yeah,

1051
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that that's not going to be happening.

1052
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: You know, as big an elive fan as I am,

1053
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: I can honestly tell you that never crossed my mind.

1054
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: Did now know you made a cross your mind? Yeah?

1055
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: I don't think you were necessarily in the leg. And

1056
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. You brought a smile to my face.

1057
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: I haven't done that much lately, Thank you. Well. I

1058
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: don't think there's any doubt that Eli Manning has the

1059
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: knowledge to be There's no question. I don't know though,

1060
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: after his lengthy career comes to an end. If the

1061
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: first thing he wants out delve into coaching, he might

1062
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: he might coach some like youth team I could see.

1063
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: I could see him coaching absolutely ten eleven twelve year olds.

1064
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: I could see him doing that because he'd be great

1065
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Speaker 1: with kids. But I don't get enough of them himself.

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Speaker 1: I don't see him crying. And well, plus he's got

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Speaker 1: some nephews to that, from what I hear, are pretty

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Speaker 1: talented that I'm sure he could be coaching up too.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Chris in New Jersey. Chris, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Big Blue kig Off Live. What do you have

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00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: for us? Hey, Landsay, Paul. I'll make this quick, and

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Speaker 1: I we're pressed for time, So guys, I'm gonna throw

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00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: a few names at you, Henry Henovsky, Madison Hedgecock. I'll

1074
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: even go back to Jim Finn and great Camela. I

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00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: know we got Elijah Penny and he did a great job.

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00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: And when he's in there, uh catching balls, and he

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00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: made a great play block in that punt against the Cardinals.

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00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: And you know I was going along with with Shermer's

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00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: team here with he wants a pass catching fullback. Well,

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00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: it's not like the utilizing Penny, you know, coming out

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00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 1: of the backfield for five or six catches a game

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00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: as a fullback. My problem is we've had problems on

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00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: the offensive line. I want to traditional fullback. Going going

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00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: back to a few callers earlier talking about the identity,

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Speaker 1: what is the identity of this team and going back

1086
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: to what Gentleman said with the with the smash mouth

1087
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: type of football, that's one thing that's missed from Giants

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00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: football in a number of years. We gotta in the

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00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: off season. I my wish is a traditional fullback, a

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00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: guy that can get up there in Barkley, get to

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00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: the second level, put a hat on somebody. And that's

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00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: something that I think that will help Barkley's longevity and

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00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: also create you know, Barkley reaching that second level. Um.

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00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: You know many times last game with those dive plays,

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00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: could have used the fullback. And that's one thing I

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00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: think when we talk about Giant football is going back

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00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: to that traditional fullback. Point well taken. Alijah Penny has

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00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: played a total of ninety seven snaps so far this season.

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Speaker 1: Only twice during this year, in weeks five and six,

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Speaker 1: did he play more than of the plays in the game.

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00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: In fact, the most snaps he's ever seen in the

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00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: game this year was twenty five in a week number five,

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00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: which was of the snaps that particular weekend. Uh. I

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00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: suspect the reason that you're not, and I don't know

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00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: the answer to this. I have been negligent in asking

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00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: the question. Perhaps, and so I will plead guilty. Perhaps

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00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: it's because the Giants have had so many injuries at

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00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 1: the wide receiver and tied end position that they feel

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00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: they need that extra body out there because their starters,

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00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: who would have been counted on to produce at a

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00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: very high level I have not been available to them. Therefore,

1112
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: they believe that putting extra quantity of guys on the field. Therefore,

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00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: the three wide receivers maybe one of the reasons. Uh,

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00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 1: you could argue a lot of times. Also, them getting

1115
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: behind is another reason why they're going to use a

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00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: lot of three wide receiver sets. There can be a

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00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: plethora of reasons why this is the case, you know,

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Speaker 1: But I go back to Maurice car Done and Joe Morris,

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00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, and quite frankly, I can even go back

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Speaker 1: a lot further than that, but I won't bore you

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Speaker 1: with those details. Well, The other thing is, remember you

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Speaker 1: know red Ellison served as a fullback for Adrian Peterson,

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Speaker 1: so you know he could play the position too, but

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Speaker 1: your Evan used him that way at all. No, they haven't.

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Speaker 1: But to your point, Paul, this is where the injury

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00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: plays a role. Now with having Ingram down. Okay, red

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00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: Ellison's gotta be a tight end because he's one of

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Speaker 1: their best options. But they don't have nearly as much

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Speaker 1: dept a tight end because remember they let a few

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Speaker 1: guys go over the last few weeks. So here's where

1131
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: you can't afford to even move him, let's say, into

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00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: the full back role because you need him to take

1133
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: on the tight end position. So injuries, I think has

1134
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: certainly complicated matters. Yeah, and guys, before I go, you know,

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00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: I'm I'm more. Le's talking about next year. You know,

1136
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: we're we're halfway through the season and I'm talking about

1137
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: next year when when uh, you know, when when they

1138
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: hit the spring workouts and we're looking for free agents

1139
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: or draft picks to uh just go back and I

1140
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: go back to Karton two. I mean coming over for

1141
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: the generals. You know where Karthon came. But you know

1142
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 1: that whole that whole um plethora of backs that we've had.

1143
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: It just it just you couldn't go. You couldn't have

1144
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: that Giant's running game without that traditional fullback. In my opinion, well,

1145
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: I think you gotta Chris and appreciate the phone call.

1146
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: I just think also the fullback position has changed in

1147
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: terms of the creativity and the way teams are utilizing guys.

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00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: For example, Baltimore has a fullback who is like an

1149
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: extra offensive lineman that they bring in, and the Niners,

1150
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: I know a call of reference San Francisco Kyle Uschek,

1151
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: who's now going to slowly be returning. He's like a

1152
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: jack of all trades. He's a Swiss army knife. He's

1153
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: not just always used as the guy that's gonna line

1154
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: up in front of Tevin Coleman or Matt Brida and

1155
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: unclogged the whole. He's also utilized as a receiver by

1156
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: Kyle Shannon. So the definition of the fullback that the

1157
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: Kohla was referencing and you were reminiscing about, Paul, I

1158
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: just don't look at that as the full back of now.

1159
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: That's the fullback more of old than the fullback of today,

1160
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: where you have a guy in the roster, you put

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00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: him in the I formation, you line up up in

1162
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: front of the running back and you say, hey, block.

1163
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: Very few teams are gonna dedicate one guy on the

1164
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster to that. Let's face it, they

1165
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: just they can't afford that resource. The game has morphed,

1166
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: and that position has become really a dinosaur. When you're

1167
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: down to it, all right, let's close up shop. We

1168
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: don't necessarily save the best for last, because I want

1169
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: to make that very clear, but we're gonna squeeze in

1170
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: Charlie Importland may Chie, Hello, jo Hey, guys, Hey, you know,

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00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: how are you gonna How are you going to create

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00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: a winning culture when you keep losing? You can't create

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00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: a winning culture unless you win. You know, we're not

1174
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: winning games. We haven't won games for so long, you know, Charlie. Well,

1175
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: before you go anywhere else, I'm gonna stop you right there.

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00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: That's exactly why the next two months are very very

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00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: important for anybody who says, okay, giants are two and seven,

1178
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: they're out of it. It doesn't matter who cares mail

1179
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: it in. I don't want to bother watching the games anymore.

1180
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: It's worthless. No, that could not be further from the truth,

1181
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: because is what you're saying, It's absolutely correct. It is

1182
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: critical for this organization and the players in that locker room,

1183
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: whoever may stay going through the off season, that they

1184
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: start to turn the ship around and win some of

1185
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: these games. It won't matter with the playoff schedule in January,

1186
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: but it will matter as to the makeup of this

1187
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: roster going forward. Yeah, totally agree with you. Pigs are

1188
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: flying today, magical, But he's right. Also, look, you know

1189
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: the thing is is like Thatcher is you know, I

1190
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: don't know what he's doing. His scheme is too complicated

1191
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: for these rookies. I mean, you know, Baker is saying,

1192
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: I don't even know where I'm supposed to be. And

1193
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: then I just saw I just saw you know, this

1194
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: questioning with Sulla uh not Schremer about you know, the

1195
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: forty yard pass, and he was saying, well, you know,

1196
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: Cary Valentine was supposed to be in man only, but

1197
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: only until center twenty yards down. Then he was supposed

1198
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 1: to switch over to to zone and then the other

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01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: guys on the other side were a man and then

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01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: they were supposed to switch over to his own to

1201
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: pick the guy up coming across. I mean, this is

1202
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: third and fourteen. What are you doing either be a

1203
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: man or being zone? What? He doesn't know how to

1204
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: simplify his defense to save his life. It's it's ridiculous.

1205
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: And this is and if and if you want to

1206
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: blame the player, then it's still on the coach. Why

1207
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: is he still playing if he doesn't know the place?

1208
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. And the same thing with hell Hunter will

1209
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,919
Speaker 1: be hunting bird jobs soon if he can't get these

1210
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: offensive linemen, which are so much better than we had

1211
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: a year ago, to figure out stunts. What is he doing?

1212
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Speaker 1: You know? And what you're saying, Paul is like Shermer

1213
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: should hand off the play calling to Schuler for the

1214
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: last seven games. I didn't say he needs to do anything.

1215
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: I simply told you wouldn't preference would be if I

1216
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: were a jail. Yeah, he's saying that. The new general

1217
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: manager of the franchise is saying that if we get

1218
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Speaker 1: embarrassed by the Jets and we lose, and Mr Fumbles

1219
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: is still funding two or three times in that game,

1220
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: and we're still giving up forty yard touchdowns third and

1221
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: twelve and third and fifteen. Believe me that you know,

1222
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: you know Mara is not going to fire him, but

1223
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: he should damn well, say give the play calling to

1224
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: somebody else, and I would fire a betterer and just

1225
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: find somebody else on your coach's staff who can just

1226
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: run a simple defense. You know it's going to be

1227
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: changes if we lose this game, especially if we get embarrassing.

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01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: You know, that's the way to see it, and I

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01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: think that's the way the president of the company sees it,

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01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: all right, Charlie. Always good to hear from Charlie in Portland, Maine.

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01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: He just wants to get rid of everybody. Calls are consistent,

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01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: no different in any other Well. That is going to

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Speaker 1: wrap up the latest edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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