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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth and Saron Burnett.

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Speaker 3: Girl, Oh you know the sean answer that I got

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Speaker 3: another question? Do you know what ridiculous I do?

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Speaker 2: I do Mustard? Right?

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Speaker 3: It is when you do it?

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm like I've always been from the day

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Speaker 2: Kenny fan. So I love I love not only is

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Speaker 2: he being celebrated for his genius but his pettiness.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, god, I love that.

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Speaker 2: But you know he's got this like amazing producer mustard, right,

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Speaker 2: and where does he get that? Why do they call

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Speaker 2: him Mustard? Do you know?

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Speaker 3: So they don't call him ketchup? I do not know.

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Speaker 2: His first name is Dijon, Dijon. Isaah MacFarlane. Mama was playing,

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Speaker 2: so she's he's Dijon. Everyone calls him Mustard, which I

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Speaker 2: think is terribly cute. You know who else thinks that's cute?

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Speaker 2: The Heinz Company, Oh yeah, so there that This is

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Speaker 2: our crossover today, Our mash up today is Mustard and Mustard.

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Speaker 2: So they're making him like a brand ambassad They're calling

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Speaker 2: him the Chief Mustard Officer, and he's gonna They're gonna

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Speaker 2: drop a brand new limited edition heinz mustard with like

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Speaker 2: a new flavor, but they want it's remixed by him,

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Speaker 2: but they won't tell us what's in it pretty much.

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Speaker 2: And then he also like he's been using it as

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Speaker 2: a secret ingredient for his homemade chicken wings and for

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Speaker 2: years now heines mustard.

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Speaker 3: So they really do have a natural born collapse.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Of course this man, his whole life

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Speaker 2: is mustard. You go into his house, everything mustard colored. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and they're gonna be coming out with other stuff there.

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Speaker 2: They have a short film. It's up for an oscar

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Speaker 2: and then they're doing like, uh, he's gonna have like

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Speaker 2: events and mustard tastings, Yes, mustard tasting.

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Speaker 3: There's a flight of mustard give an.

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Speaker 2: Addition product comes out during the summer. So you can

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Speaker 2: go to the Hinest website and sign up and they'll

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Speaker 2: just sell your email address to the highest bidder. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. Do you like mustard?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Actually I do. I like a lot, like the

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Speaker 3: Russian hot, I like the Hawaiian I like the I

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Speaker 3: like even gray poop hole. Yeah, like even like.

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Speaker 2: The Westst's amazing best mustard, Mendocino mustard.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's good. Oh, yeah, I'm into that.

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Speaker 2: Mendo and that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: How many mustards are sitting in your fridge right now?

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Speaker 2: Oh buddy, seventeen, I got like, I don't know, I'd

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Speaker 2: put it into like there's at least.

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Speaker 3: Double digites, it's eight.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'd have to go count. But you know

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Speaker 2: that like Chinese mustard.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Chinese hot mustards. I'm still in the Chinese

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Speaker 3: hot mustard so good. You know what else is ridiculous? Elizabeth? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Please?

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Speaker 3: Okay, when you go full fast and the furious in

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Speaker 3: real life. Oh but not to like steal hundreds of

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Speaker 3: millions of dollars from a bank in Brazil that's actually

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Speaker 3: in the police headquarters. No imagine if you go full

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Speaker 3: fast and the furious but for a box car of

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Speaker 3: Air Jordan's.

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Speaker 5: My god, this is ridiculous crime.

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Speaker 3: The podcast about ab third and outrageous cap us, ice

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Speaker 3: and cars, it's all weter free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Hell oh, Elizabeth, Today I want to talk to you

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Speaker 3: about highly valuable footwear. Okay, I'm talking about Air Jordans

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Speaker 3: of course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now you know I love the retro ones. I'm old school,

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Speaker 3: of course I do but how about you. Have you

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Speaker 3: ever owned a pair of Jordan's. No, I's not you

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Speaker 3: ever wanted to own a.

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Speaker 2: Pair of jord Not really. They're high tops, right, some are?

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Speaker 3: Most are all? Yes? They are?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know it really. I'm not a Nike person.

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Speaker 2: I'm an Adidas person.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you have brand loyalty.

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Speaker 2: I keep them in business Adidas.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you and Jonathan Davis from.

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Speaker 2: Corn completely sure. But yeah they they fit my feet

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Speaker 2: the best and they're the coolest looking shoes. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm not really at it.

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Speaker 3: Did the Beast boys turn you on to Adidas? So

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Speaker 3: you found them on your own day?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 2: I mean I had. There's pictures of me as like

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Speaker 2: a three or four year old with the coolest looking

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Speaker 2: blue with yellow stripes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that what they're talking about.

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Speaker 2: And it was, you know, lifelong love after that.

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Speaker 3: Found foot in happiness and never look back.

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Speaker 2: It is preposterous how many pairs of shoes I own,

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Speaker 2: and then the percentage that are Adidas, especially cause you

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Speaker 2: only have two feet, right?

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Speaker 3: Ye?

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Speaker 2: Well that you know of.

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Speaker 3: Now, are you? You are familiar though with like shoe

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Speaker 3: beast culture and the Jordan's.

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Speaker 2: I used to live nearby a place that was like

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Speaker 2: a shoe imporium, but not like pale as shoe sores.

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Speaker 2: It was like a cool guy tennis shoe place. Ah. Okay,

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Speaker 2: they had some good stuff, but you'd see like people

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Speaker 2: lining up at a supreme store. Yeah pretty much.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well you know this, when a physical object gets

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Speaker 3: coveted the way that Jordan's are coveted, as we both know,

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Speaker 3: that means crime. Yes, so typically when it comes to

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Speaker 3: stolen Jordan's, one might think of say street crime, right,

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Speaker 3: like stick up kids. But well, for instance, back in

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, I found a story there was this uh

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Speaker 3: in East Flushings in Queens. You can know in New York.

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Speaker 3: Huh it was. It was like meltdown May right, seventeen

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Speaker 3: year old kids walking along as blocking Queens. He's on

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Speaker 3: Quin's Avenue if you are familiar with the area. White

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Speaker 3: car pulls up alongside him, sedan, driving slowly because bad

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Speaker 3: men inside a clock in this kid seventeen year old

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Speaker 3: kids shoes are like, ooh, what's of them? Now? He's

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Speaker 3: rocking a pair of Jordan's worth two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand dollars, Like yeah, those are expenses, like high

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Speaker 2: heels digit shoes.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what the two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: Jordan giving like old sex and the city shoes don't

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Speaker 3: even right?

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. You better be running real fast.

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Speaker 3: These kids were not kids. These men in the car,

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Speaker 3: they knew those were two thousand dollars Jordan's gold on. No,

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Speaker 3: they just recognize the kicks and how valuable they were.

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Speaker 3: So the car pulls over. Three men hop out the

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Speaker 3: white sedan, which for some reason, I imagine does a

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Speaker 3: Nissan Ultima. Anyway, the three men they run up on

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Speaker 3: the seventeen year old kid. One of the muggers grabs

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Speaker 3: a kid from behind yanks them down to the sidewalk right. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: the other two muggers they come around in front of him.

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Speaker 3: They grab his feet and just yank his shoes off

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Speaker 3: his feet. They didn't even untie him, just right off

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Speaker 3: his feet. Oh no, I had to hurt. So then

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Speaker 3: once they got the shoes off, they run back to

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Speaker 3: the white sedan, but their stolen booty take off gone right.

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Speaker 3: The kids like, what the hell, oh man? And what

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Speaker 3: are the muggers doing next to Elizabeth? This is why

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Speaker 3: I wanted to tell you this story. Yeah, not even

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Speaker 3: a half hour later, these three men, same guys, they

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Speaker 3: head into a shoe reseller in the same neighborhood. One

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Speaker 3: of the employees at the shoe reseller ended up telling

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Speaker 3: the story to The New York Post and they said,

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Speaker 3: and I quote, they tried to sell them to us.

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Speaker 3: It just seem like a normal transaction. They didn't stutter.

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Speaker 3: They just told me they wanted to sell it. They

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Speaker 3: asked how much could I get for these?

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Speaker 2: Were they still warm?

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Speaker 3: Pretty much? Sell it socks in them. So the shoe

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Speaker 3: reseller employees, right, they take these stolen Jordan's. They inspect

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Speaker 3: them to see what they might be worth. They compare

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Speaker 3: them to a similar model. They do the quick shoe check.

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Speaker 3: Right at first, the jeorde look good, But the closer

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Speaker 3: they inspect, the more they noticed little telling details an

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Speaker 3: expert would see, as he put it, quote, cheaper material,

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Speaker 3: The stitching was different. So the shoe reseller employee, now

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Speaker 3: it goes back to the three muggers. It has to

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Speaker 3: tell them the bad news quote, they're fake. We can't

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Speaker 3: buy them. Now. The street muggers remain optimistic because even

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Speaker 3: if the Jordan's are fake, they're like, well, they must

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Speaker 3: be worth something. So how much were you guys pay

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Speaker 3: for some fake Jordan's. The shoe reseller point now is

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Speaker 3: to inform them zero dollars. Yeah, because it's a fake,

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Speaker 3: that's a direct quote. Oh No, that kind of Air

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Speaker 3: Jordan based crime is the old school version right now,

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Speaker 3: these days thieves, muggers, street criminals, they've moved on to

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Speaker 3: much bigger shoe crimes. Okay, whoa, yeah, First, since I

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Speaker 3: know you're not really a hype beast tuned into the

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Speaker 3: latest price trends in.

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Speaker 2: Colourway beast, baby, the air Jordan's.

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Speaker 3: I know you don't know the market, right, so I

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Speaker 3: gotta give you a sense of just how valuable Air

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Speaker 3: Jordan's are on the black market and how valuable they

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Speaker 3: are on the auction block. So original Air Jordan once

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Speaker 3: they were designed by this guy, Peter Moore, famous, right

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Speaker 3: they drop in eighty five, nineteen eighty five for sneaker heads.

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Speaker 3: They remain a coveted shoe. The originals they were red

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Speaker 3: white black high tops.

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Speaker 2: I remember that, yeah right, Okay?

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Speaker 3: Now, according to Southerby's in twenty twenty three, a pair

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Speaker 3: of the Nike Air Jordan one og high Chicago's was

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Speaker 3: valued at thirty two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Thirty two thousand. Well, I mean it's the kind of

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Speaker 2: the impetus of oh yeah, this whole completely.

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Speaker 3: But also you got to like keep those shoes in

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Speaker 3: like a climate control and environment because the glues deteriorate

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Speaker 3: and then the shoe just lifts off from the sore. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I have a couple of shoes like that that I

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Speaker 3: tried to go back to. It was like, oh, this

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Speaker 3: is why you can't wear a twenty year old shoit.

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Speaker 2: I've totally done that. You put the shoes on, you're like,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, and then you take two steps.

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Speaker 3: She just gives up.

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Speaker 2: Soles are behind exactly. It's all crumbly, that's the thing. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So these people they're not usually wearing them either. They

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Speaker 2: just keep them in a box.

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Speaker 3: Some people put them up on their walls like art.

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Speaker 3: They're like little shelves and you'll see a shoe, or

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Speaker 3: they'll have like glass cases. They have all the shoes

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Speaker 3: and in the glass cases. Oh yeah, no for the collectors.

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Speaker 3: Back in twenty fifteen, wrapper Eminem did a collab with

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Speaker 3: work wear brand car Heart.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 3: They put out this custom line of air Jordan Force

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Speaker 3: they were just a handful of pairs though.

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Speaker 2: Wait, than it was with Nike too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Nike, Carhart and Eminem coming together to make.

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Speaker 2: These right tricehup exactly.

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Speaker 3: So it's a handful of pairs that they create for

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Speaker 3: Eminem and his family. But then he asked them to

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Speaker 3: make ten pairs. They were gonna be sold on eBay

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Speaker 3: for a benefit for the Marshall Masers Foundation and the

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Speaker 3: money would go to a music school at Michigan State. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so this pair of Nike Air Jordan four Retro Eminem

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Speaker 3: car Hearts that did make it out to the market,

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Speaker 3: of these ten, they will run you twenty one thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars eight hundred and fifty Wow.

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Speaker 3: Over on the shoe reseller stock x, they report their

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got I got a pair of like sticker

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Speaker 3: You know, maybe a little shoe best are there but

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Speaker 2: Has like a little tag on it they authenticate that

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Speaker 2: mutual friend Abby Lien though, who's an authenticator? This fascinating stuff,

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Speaker 3: And being able to spot a counterfeit from distance.

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Speaker 3: So these stock x One of they had. One of

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Speaker 3: the second most expensive Jordan's I found that they had

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Speaker 3: Derek Jeters. The Peters, Yeah, the Yankees shortstop. He's a

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Speaker 3: But Nike was like, hey, Jeter, how about we make

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Speaker 2: It's like I wish I were Michael Jordan's pretty much.

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Speaker 3: So they made them five pairs of these custom Air

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Speaker 3: Jordan Retro Premium Derek Jeters. Now they make them available

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, just tell me twenty three thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. There is also a difference because if you want

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Speaker 3: you can buy those two. Yeah, like he put his

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Speaker 2: Have that in owning, you hit the side and all

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Speaker 3: Oh, I gotcha.

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Speaker 3: Now these are much much more expensive, obviously because Air

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Speaker 3: Jordan put his blessed foot inside now Elizabeth. In nineteen

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Speaker 3: game because he had thirty eight points. The Bulls won. Right. Now,

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Speaker 3: Utah Jazz. For the Jazz, yeah, because it was in Utah.

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Speaker 2: So here's what he is his own.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. But he like me and Joe Greendam, He's like, hey, kid,

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Speaker 2: Fun for him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So the kid, Preston Truman, he kept the shoes

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Speaker 3: I want to guess how much that pair of Air Jordan.

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Speaker 2: Twelves went for nine million dollars?

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Speaker 3: It was one hundred and four thousand dollars. WHOA, Yes,

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Speaker 3: that paid for college. I imagine they were resold again

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Speaker 2: Uh, two hundred thousand, try one point.

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Speaker 3: Three eight million dollars?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 2: Who bought that? Who? Has that kind of change.

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Speaker 3: I have spent on somebody wealthy that I do not know.

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Speaker 3: I did not look up who bought Kennies.

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Speaker 2: I wanted over a million dollars for a pair of tennis.

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Speaker 3: Dude, that's nothing. The Air Jordan thirteen's nicknamed bread The

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Speaker 3: Jordan wore those in the next year in the ninety

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Speaker 3: eight NBA Finals in Game two, which is one of

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Speaker 3: the last games he ever played for the Chicago Bulls.

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Speaker 3: They get resold they're the most money ever to exchange

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Speaker 3: hands for a pair of Jordan because everybody loves the breads,

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Speaker 3: and then he wears them on this like last season,

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Speaker 3: right right, So in twenty as a Bull. In twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three, the ninety eight game worn Air Jordan thirteen

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Speaker 2: Who bought those?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Chancellor Rapper, I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: No, he's from Chicago, so but these are wild, right,

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Speaker 3: And Elizabeth, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 3: I wanted you to understand how coveted these shoes are

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Speaker 2: So I'm starting to understand this is wild. I had

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Speaker 3: Oh, and it's just only a skyrocket. In the last

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Speaker 2: Seen pictures of like the knockoff ones from Timu or whatever. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the Air Jordan guy isn't really like Air Jordan's. This

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Speaker 3: Not holding up a basketball. He just has his hand raised.

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Speaker 3: Totally a class.

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Speaker 2: I love knockoffs, I know you really do you?

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Speaker 3: Also you love that guy does the TEAMO shoe reviews.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he's a little like the first ones. First

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Speaker 2: branch out.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a little break, well, ice off our shoulders

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Speaker 3: and get back. Will dive into the Air Jordan based

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Speaker 3: crimes and trust they get a hell ridiculous nice or

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Speaker 3: back Elizabeth, get ready for more Air Jordan's based crimes.

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Speaker 3: Totally okay. This year, earlier this year, earlier this month,

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Speaker 3: February twenty twenty five, a business in Massachusetts was investigated

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Speaker 3: for Air Jordan related crimes. The shop is called Family

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Speaker 3: Sneaker House Love It Yes, located in wonderful Milford, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 3: The local cops I's already getting these tips at Family

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Speaker 3: and what do they find, Elizabeth, twelve hundred counterfeit items

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Speaker 2: That's a lot. That's heavy inventor.

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Speaker 3: Total value two hundred thousand dollars of counterfeit goods. The

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a lot.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot. Eight nine. I had eighty nine pairs

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Speaker 3: of counterfeit yeasies, oh, the Kanye shoes, Yeah, made by

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Speaker 3: Adidas formally, and he also had forty eight pairs of

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Speaker 3: like nine pairs, Like I don't know who they were,

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Speaker 3: He was buying his products from a Chinese distributor who

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Speaker 3: this reportedly billion dollar business is. Yeah, Elizabeth, let me

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Speaker 2: Is it now?

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Speaker 3: Back in twenty eighteen, also in New York, five men

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Speaker 3: busted for running a counterfeit sneaker operation running knockoffs from

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Speaker 3: China into the Port of Newark between January twenty sixteen

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Speaker 2: Were busted containers.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the men had almost a half million dollars of

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Speaker 3: goods sitting around, all fake Jordan's cooling in a warehouse.

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Speaker 3: Half million just when they got busted. So they've been

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Speaker 3: going through this, right, that was not their whole stash.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The authorities estimated that the three hundred and eighty thousand

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Speaker 3: the black market, Oh my god, and the gray market

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Speaker 3: like family Sneaker House in.

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Speaker 2: Milford, Family sneaker House, love them.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So if you track the counterfeit air Jordans back to China,

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Speaker 3: fake air Jordans made there are constructed in legitimate factories

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Speaker 3: then sold in bulk. Next, they are transported in miss

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Speaker 3: who knows what's inside these.

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Speaker 2: Mislabel box the same factory as the real.

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Speaker 3: One, No, no other factories. They're not made in Nike factories.

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Speaker 3: They're made in a factory that makes shoes, and so

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Speaker 3: they may the Nike blanks that they've reversed.

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Speaker 2: Engineer, got it, got it? Because you know, if it's

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Speaker 2: not from the Fujon province, it's just sparkling Jordan's.

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Speaker 3: Exactly sparkling footwear. Now, the middlemen they amassed these shoe

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Speaker 3: Then they load all of the phony Nikes into a

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Speaker 2: You get the idea, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: All the major ports of the United States, where they

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Speaker 3: then get handled and distributed to middleman. Here that's where

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Speaker 3: the counterfeit Nike labels are now added to the knockoff

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Speaker 3: Then once these blanks have the fake Air Jordan labels,

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Speaker 3: they're pushed into the US market for big, big money. Now,

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Speaker 3: you know, Chinese knockoffs are very much a thing. They have.

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Speaker 3: As I said, the folks who reverse engineer legit products,

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Speaker 3: That's one thing, right, yeah, but you know they're also

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Speaker 3: making things like fake bike.

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Speaker 2: Helmets, fake bike helmets, make baby.

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Speaker 3: Carriers, Like, it sucks for you if you learn that

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Speaker 3: bouncing off the blacktop and it's split. Yeah, or like

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Speaker 3: imagine you saved money the wrong way when your baby

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Speaker 2: So what is just yeah, it has no safety features.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's just basically they don't care. It's just it's not.

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Speaker 2: Up to standard. Looks like a hell.

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Speaker 3: That's all it is. It's supposed to resemble the product

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Speaker 2: Cotton balls inside.

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Speaker 3: Pretty much this huge industrial counterfeit sneaker market is still

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Speaker 3: not the brand Air Jordan, just crime. For instance, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: have you ever been have you been reading about these

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Speaker 3: great train hests of the twenty twenties, No train robberies

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Speaker 2: I ain robbery.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the thieves are focused on Air Jordan's yeah. Wow, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Now in La County, the company has two hundred and

441
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 3: seventy five miles of track with sixteen hundred employees. That's

442
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,639
Speaker 3: just La County. Now. La County happens to be obviously

443
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,919
Speaker 3: a hub for a railroad based Air Jordan crimes. For instance,

444
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 3: recently in twenty twenty one, La County saw this rail

445
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,120
Speaker 3: theft shooting up by about one hundred and sixty percent

446
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 3: in one year. Then came twenty twenty two, and you

447
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 3: remember there was this viral story that showed rail lines

448
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 3: leading out of La and the ground is just covered

449
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 3: with cardboard boxes and stuff pulled from the box cars. Yeah,

450
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 3: and there's like the thieves of like it. Basically it's

451
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 3: like a miles long mess.

452
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,400
Speaker 2: It looks like this, right, oh my god.

453
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,919
Speaker 3: Yeah right, So that really got attention to people of

454
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,919
Speaker 3: like how bad this problem has gotten. Otherwise it's just

455
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,640
Speaker 3: like insurance companies and the freight lines complaining about it exactly.

456
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 3: California is Governor Gavin Newsom. Now he's got to address

457
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 3: the train robbery. So Newsom goes out to the rail yard.

458
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 3: He goes out to pick up some trash, which, from

459
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 3: what I can tell, is his favorite photo op is.

460
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 2: Picking up trash. I applaud him.

461
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 3: Got his technique down and everything.

462
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 2: You know, he's just not free to get his hands during.

463
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 3: Anyway, Coming to Newsome, he tells the Gathered reporters that

464
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 3: the viral images of the trash strewn rail lines just

465
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 3: outside the raiyard are quote images look like a third

466
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 3: world country. What you saw here in the last week

467
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 3: is just not acceptable. So I took off the suit

468
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 3: and tide and said I'm coming because I couldn't take it.

469
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 3: I can't turn on the news anymore. What the hell

470
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 3: is going on?

471
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, gathering or you're governor, So he jumps in there,

472
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 2: He's like, what's going on?

473
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get the answers if any one of

474
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 3: us can get the answer. Now, if you're wondering like

475
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 3: I was, from what I remember from history class way

476
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 3: back in high school, I thought railroads were allowed to

477
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 3: hire their own police force. Turns out they are, yeah,

478
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 3: But as you often hear these days, there were budgetary cutbacks,

479
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 3: which means although Union Pacific is legally allowed to have

480
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 3: their own police force, they cut costs and don't have

481
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 3: the railroad cops necessary to protect their box cars, and

482
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 3: so they have to call in the like you know,

483
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 3: the La County Sheriffs LAPD to help them. So LA

484
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 3: Police Captain Herman Urtado he told the La Times that quote,

485
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 3: Union Pacific from Yuma, Arizona to La has six people

486
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 3: patrolling six people. Sixteen hundred people are in LA County work.

487
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 3: So they ask the local La County Police, the California

488
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 3: Highway Patrol, the La Sheriff's Apartment, anybody they can to

489
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 3: help out with patrols of the rail lines, the rail yards.

490
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 3: But LA cops they got a lot of other priorities,

491
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 3: all right. So what happens is the LAPD sets up

492
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 3: temporary task force until the headlines go away, and Captain

493
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 3: Hurtado said, quote, it's like digging sand at the beach.

494
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 3: We set up a task force, we are making an arrest,

495
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 3: and then we see a quarter of a mile down

496
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 3: the track someone else taking merchandise.

497
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

498
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 3: These days, Oh yeah, I'll get to that in a second.

499
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: These days they've added drones to their task force. The

500
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 3: police have, yeah, not stop the train robbers, not one bit.

501
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: It's like waving, Yeah, what are now? The train burglary

502
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 3: Task Force of LAPD keeps getting called back to into action,

503
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 3: as I said, right. So, in twenty twenty four, The

504
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 3: New York Times starts covering this growing trend of train

505
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 3: robberies in the Southwest. The Times they speak with Joe Chavez.

506
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 3: He's now in charge of detectives working the latest task force. Right, yeah,

507
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 3: So he tells The New York Times about this one

508
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 3: particular land pirate named Victor Lamas. Oh Lamas no relation

509
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 3: to Fernando or.

510
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: Lorenzo, Lorenzo's brother.

511
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he's just a train robber. It's just no

512
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 3: stranger to the police. Now, is Joe Chavez we call

513
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 3: quote he said that that was the best feeling he'd

514
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 3: ever had jumping on the train while it was moving.

515
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: It was euphoric for him. Now, what he means by

516
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 3: that is, obviously train's going slow enough for you to

517
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 3: run alongside, or you're right till the train's gone fast

518
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 3: and you just jump on it. Huh Okay, so you know,

519
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 3: relatively fast.

520
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: So dangerous, Yeah, so dangerous trains?

521
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you think. During one of his mini arrests

522
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 3: Lamas told the cops how it was that he knew

523
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 3: which box cars were the good ones to break into

524
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 3: because they all look alike to the untrained eye pretty much.

525
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 3: I got were very trained to nose, Like, look at

526
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: this thing. Do you know how many detectors I got?

527
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 3: The say, exactly, so, he tells him though, he'd actually

528
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: studied the placards that the rail lines used, right those

529
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 3: diamond cars, and then he learned about the various locking

530
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 3: devices that they used. He researched the locks, and he

531
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 3: learned that they had upgraded the locks, which usually meant

532
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 3: like that's where the high dollar cargo is. And then

533
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 3: he researched how to break the upgraded locks, which turned

534
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 3: out he just needed a pair of bowl cutters. So

535
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 3: so much for security upgrade. So Lamis though he had

536
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 3: a partner for his train robberies, he worked with his girlfriend.

537
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 3: They would their modus operandi was to get up and

538
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 3: get out of La get set up in the Inland

539
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 3: Empire South that's like southeast of La Proper. They'd find

540
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 3: a motel located near the railroad tracks. Then when night came,

541
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 3: they'd go to work. So what they would do is

542
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: they'd break into railcars and they just take the stole

543
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 3: and booty back to their budget motel room, divvy it up,

544
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 3: and then go this goes to the fence, this goes

545
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 3: to me or whatever. Right, it was such an easy

546
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: way to earn a living that Lamas told the cops.

547
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 3: As Detective Shavis recalls, and I quote he straight out

548
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: told me, he goes Detective Shavist, I'm never gonna stop

549
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 3: doing it.

550
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:20,479
Speaker 2: Why shouldn't did he? Was he wearing Jordan's when he's

551
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 2: like I can just I can afford it.

552
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like has throw away like Jordan's. He wears

553
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 3: once and then that's it.

554
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got like shoes that are like my gardening

555
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: shoes that are by the back door, and just I

556
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 2: wouldn't wear them in public. Beat.

557
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 3: He has the opposite of that.

558
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 2: He's got like he's got shoes are so clean that

559
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: you well, you know what the reason they're so expensive.

560
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: They make you.

561
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 3: Run so fast and play so well.

562
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: You just someone and then they're like here. His girlfriend

563
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: was like, run for me and let me see how

564
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: fast you're going to Oh my goodness, you run so

565
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: much faster than the other shoes. You got to wear those.

566
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 3: You're hanging out with your nephew a bunch of probably

567
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 3: in late twenty twenty two, my man Lamas, he gets caught,

568
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: of course, his girlfriend caught. Now while his girlfriend, she

569
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 3: gets tried, convicted, sentence and is now serving her sentence

570
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 3: in prison, Lamas still on the lamb. Male, Oh yeah,

571
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 3: so he did it. Was facing eight felony charges. He

572
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: goes He's like, oh yeah, yeah, whatever, man. Because he's

573
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 3: not a non violent offender, he's able to post a bail.

574
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: He stops showing up for his court dates.

575
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 5: Him.

576
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 3: Man, he's in the wind. He's caught, right, the cop said,

577
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 3: like a detective. Shavez, for one, is convinced that he

578
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: will see his train hopping Moriarty again in the future.

579
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: He's all like, I have a feeling I will see

580
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: him again a direct quote. Oh yeah, yeah, perhaps, bro. Now,

581
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: if you readlove Me on this new wave of train robberies,

582
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 3: you can easily see why some folks wouldn't want to

583
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 3: stop pulling off this land piracy, right, And he's just amazing.

584
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 3: It's like and also hot. Damn do they make a

585
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 3: mess doing it? Like I was reading about the trash

586
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 3: not just from the outside of the rail yards in

587
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 3: La County, but there's one train conductor was telling New

588
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 3: York Times about how in southeast Arizona, in the middle

589
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: of nowhere and just desert, he once drove his train

590
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 3: through like a quarter mile long trash heap. It was

591
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: just strewn in the middle of nowhere. It was nothing

592
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 3: but hundreds and hundreds of boxes of Nike sneakers and

593
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: shoe boxes.

594
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 2: So they don't even keep the box.

595
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 3: They just throw it out.

596
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: I mean, wouldn't she wouldn't it be easier to sell

597
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 2: them if you have the box.

598
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm not.

599
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: I mean, and I gotta tell you something.

600
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: Also, I think it's pretty easy to get a box.

601
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: And really chaps my hide. G littering, I.

602
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 3: Know it does why I brought it up.

603
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: Makes it would make cheeses me off. This littering. No,

604
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: but I mean for real though, the boxes. Is it

605
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 2: just because it's cumbersome?

606
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically it's a unnecessary space. You can get a

607
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 3: bunch of shoes in the back of a truck and

608
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 3: you're throwing them into like usually vans, and trust that's

609
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 3: going to.

610
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 2: Get them all scratched up and dirty. Well, yeah, it's

611
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: like in the desert.

612
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 3: It's like if you're doing this, it's like dealing with grain.

613
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 3: You just want the bulk of them to be cleaned outside,

614
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: a little dirt.

615
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: On them, then.

616
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 3: Agriculture, they're just harvesting it like grain. They got a

617
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 3: isle of shoes, right, But.

618
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 2: Is are you going to get like some generic fruit

619
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: or are you going to get like top you're.

620
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: Too used to shopping? Yeah, exactly.

621
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 4: Place let's say wait, yeah, yes, let's let's say they

622
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 4: had one of those Costco vacuum sealers in the truck.

623
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 4: Oh that's good, chuck the box. Someone else was like

624
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 4: each thing in a vacuum.

625
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: I like that someone who has a Costco vacuum seeler.

626
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: I can tell you it's not that quick. Of a process.

627
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 3: That's something you can do on the go.

628
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: Is the sound of me really?

629
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 3: Okay? Good to know? So I call you. That's what

630
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: that sound is. I always wondered.

631
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: I'm sucking up some rubas. That's how I talked about

632
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: sealing my meat, vacuum sealing some ars.

633
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 3: Who, Elizabeth, you have a very like whiskey stained voice

634
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: when you're on the phone.

635
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's only on the phone.

636
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 3: No, Elizabeth. The Great Air Jordan train heightt of twenty

637
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: twenty four, Yeah, are the ones I wanted to tell

638
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 3: you about. That's why we're here today. So as you know,

639
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: there are all all sorts of train lines. There's the

640
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: Southern Pacific, Union Pacific, Norfolk Southern, the CSX. There's a

641
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: bunch of freight train lines.

642
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 5: Right.

643
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: One of the freight train lines is BNSF. Oh yeah,

644
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: that sounds for Burlington Northern Santa Fe. Yeah, now, which

645
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 3: means it's the parent company of the Santa Fe Railroad,

646
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: which you'll probably remember the locomotives red yellow very much.

647
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 3: So Okay, Anyway, these days, BNSF has become the ready

648
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: target for Jordan thieves. They are the go to one

649
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: to hit apparently in twenty twenty four, there were ten

650
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 3: railroad heights over a one year long period and train

651
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: robbers stole away with Nike sneakers. In all but one robbery,

652
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 3: they were all against BNSF. The value for these ten

653
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: train heights was two million dollars wow. In January, in

654
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 3: a town called paren, Arizona, robbers struck a BNSF freight train.

655
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: They stole nineteen hundred and eighty five pairs of Nike sneakers.

656
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 3: I have to assume the nineteen hundred and eighty five

657
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: pairs issues was just a coincidence and not like a

658
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: whole Jordan sh They always ship Jordan's in lots of

659
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: one nineteen eighty five, well, which is the first year

660
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: of the shoes, right like that silly.

661
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: They ran out of room in the van. Yeah, and

662
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: they had to leave some behind.

663
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: Oh maybe that's it.

664
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: They left behind the really thieves.

665
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: Are really in deluxuly really big one the size eighteen.

666
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, the size eighteens and the size fours they left, Okay,

667
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: And because you can't sell you can move those. Well.

668
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: The one Jordan one Jordan train heightst was worth four

669
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 3: hundred and forty thousand dollars day yeah. Yeah, so you

670
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 3: see why they do it right.

671
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

672
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 3: Now, the way these modern train robbers know which trains

673
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: and which box cars can contain the highly valuable Jordans

674
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: is rather simple. They also use lots of insider info

675
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: because obviously they have the money to pay sure and

676
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 3: then and obviously there's experience you can get to recognized patterns. Yeah,

677
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: but sometimes they have friends who work at the ports,

678
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: who work at the warehouses the trucking companies, and they

679
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: tell them I got a lot of Jordan's coming in,

680
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: and then they get tipped out right, and they tell

681
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: the thieves and boom right. Once the thieves identify a

682
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: train they want to hit, they follow the train out

683
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: of La East, deep into the desert where lonesome, old,

684
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: forgotten towns roll past out there, where no one can

685
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: quickly respond to a train icet. The land pirates track

686
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 3: a train down when it baby slows down for a

687
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: scheduled stop in one of these small towns, or when

688
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: it passes through a section of town where it has

689
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: to slow down just to get through the town. Sometimes

690
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: they also rely on sabotage. They'll break a switchbox so

691
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 3: the train has to stop.

692
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: You're just like this Sepi tone robberies now the most

693
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: daring among them will board the train while it's still rolling.

694
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: As I've told you earlier, they'll jump on while it's

695
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: still rolling. And that's what it got it difficult because

696
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: you gott to match speed and so forth. Now, regardless

697
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: of how they climb aboard, though the goal is typically

698
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: the same. The train robbers cut a brake hose, again,

699
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 3: forcing the train to stop, and once it does, the

700
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: thieves make their moves. They board the train like pirates

701
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: of yore, and once aboard the train they get to work.

702
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: They break the locks, they peel open the box cars.

703
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 3: Then they go shopping. They toss the boxes out of

704
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 3: the train cars onto the desert floor or to the

705
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: more likely to their criminal partners to load into the truck.

706
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: Huh yeah wow yeah no. Also, as you asked before,

707
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: you have to understand, freight trains in America are insanely long.

708
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: Like there's no laws for tailing how long trains can be.

709
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: So the company is looking to cut costs have made

710
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: them longer and longer stuck. On the other side of

711
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: they have less and less staff now to run them,

712
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: and this results in freight trains that can be up

713
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: to three miles long. Oh yeah, So that means that

714
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: the thieves time it right and they pick a car

715
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: far enough back. Yeah, they could be two miles behind

716
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: the train crew that is supposed to go out and

717
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: find them.

718
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: And in the movie of this, I'm imagining it's Michael

719
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: Jordan as the conductor of the train and he gets

720
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: the alert that the brake's been Oh man.

721
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 3: Kids, this is basically happy hunting for land pirates out

722
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 3: there in the desert. And also these crews don't really

723
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 3: want to get out because a lot of these guys

724
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 3: are junior members of Mexican cartel.

725
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: Oh that's good point, that's who they're doing it.

726
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 3: They have sometimes like assault rifles, you know, they're not

727
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 3: just like and sometimes they're just seventeen year olds with

728
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 3: no weapons whatsoever. They do not know what they're gonna

729
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: be getting, right, But.

730
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: If you want to move a lot of products like that,

731
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: then like having a cartel connection is oh.

732
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you say, you need a good fence, right exactly. Now,

733
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, there were sixty five thousand railroad robberies

734
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 3: and thefts. Sixty three thousand, Yes, and that was a

735
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: forty percent increase over the year twenty twenty three. Yeah,

736
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: so now you've got a full scale take a little break,

737
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: and when we get back, I will dazzle and amaze

738
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: you with more Jordan Crimezle Elizabeth zaren, you haven't fun

739
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: in the lonesome wild West Jordan.

740
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: Nextaposition of the Air Jordans in the.

741
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 3: Isn't that great?

742
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 2: It's a great image.

743
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 3: It's is such a fun like very American image. The

744
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: Jordan's the train robbery out in the wild West. And

745
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 3: then the time juxtaposition.

746
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: Is just like, are you going to write the screen flip.

747
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 3: Book where you put the different tops and bottoms on?

748
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: Totally?

749
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 3: I would actually wouldn't make a good screenplay.

750
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: You mentioned, right, Dibbs for you.

751
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: Well, Elizabeth, for you, I would say I was going

752
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 3: to continue telling you facts and stats about these great

753
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 3: Air Jordan train robberies, but I'd like you to experience. Yeah,

754
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: so I'd like you to close your eyes and I'd

755
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: like you.

756
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: To close to picture it.

757
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: It is around five in the afternoon into desert, and

758
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 3: you feel a hot breeze against your face because Elizabeth,

759
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: you are a foam jack in the box head shove

760
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: down on the end of an antenna of a stolen

761
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 3: white van. You bob and sway around in the wind,

762
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 3: the wind generated by the speeding white van. It's going

763
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 3: around seventy five, maybe eighty, I don't know. You don't

764
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: know because you can't see the odometer as the unmarked

765
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 3: white van trails after what looks to be a miles

766
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: long train. But you are not one of the primary

767
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: chase cars. You're there with the van that's there to

768
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 3: catch the halt, which means you have a perfect vantage

769
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: to watch the whole train robbery go down. You watch

770
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 3: as two of the chase cars pull alongside the train.

771
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 3: The dust clouds they leave are tremendous. They paint the

772
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: desert sky with a dull brown haze. As the dust

773
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 3: spreads out above you, one of the land pirates leaps

774
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: from a chase vehicle. It's like a scene from Fast

775
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: and the Furious, which you've never seen. The bandit lands

776
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 3: his leap of fate, and with a well practiced hand,

777
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 3: he draws a knife from its sheath and slices the

778
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 3: air brake. The break is found. With the air pressure

779
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: escaping the severed line, you see the train lurch and

780
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 3: begin to slow the conductors following the emergency protocol for

781
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: loss of air pressure in the breaking system. The chase

782
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: vehicle stay alongside the train until it comes to a

783
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: slow and final stop. Your antenna whips around as the

784
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: white van moves into position along the stopped train. If

785
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: you could, you would choke on all the dust. But

786
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: you don't because you're an inanimate jack in the box bobblehead. Instead,

787
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: you watch the land Pirates with awe as they move

788
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 3: with a timed precision. One train robber identifies the box

789
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: cars of interest. Another leapfrost up and breaks open the

790
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: lock with a slide of the heavy door. The box

791
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 3: car reveals its treasures. The thieves duck inside. When they emerge,

792
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 3: they come out with handfuls of boxes with that familiar

793
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: swoosh logo, The boxes of Nike they loaded into the

794
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 3: white van. You're a white van. You watch the team

795
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: empty the box car of its Jordan's, and then onto another,

796
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 3: and then another. When the land Pirates are convinced they've

797
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: stolen all the best booty, they load back up into

798
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: their stolen chase vehicles to go tearing off into the

799
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 3: Mohave desert. Not a bad day's work. You think to yourself,

800
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 3: maybe this outlaw life is for you now. Elizabeth, as

801
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 3: one retired sheriff's deputy described as growing trend of train robberies,

802
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: it's just like the old wild West. It's crazy.

803
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

804
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 7: You know.

805
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: He's always wanted to say stuff like that, so I'll

806
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: just add in it's crazy, but with a heavy splash

807
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 3: of piracy, which I love. Yeah, but this is like

808
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: in a desert instead of a vast sea.

809
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: It's very mad.

810
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 5: Max.

811
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: Well, they say, yeah, definitely, but like with the Sahara,

812
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: they say, it's just a sea of sand. Like I'm

813
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 3: seeing this. I'm dude, I'm in it.

814
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: Elizabeth, you've been to theave a bunch it stops camped there.

815
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's insane. We're actually about a hang out there.

816
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: So uh oh yeah. Because five days after that great

817
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: desert train robbery that I just told you about, the

818
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: freight train line BNSF phoned the police again and were like,

819
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: you're not gonna believe this. And cops were like, did

820
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: it happen again? And BNSF was like, it happened again.

821
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: It happened again, Elizabeth, this time in Amboy, California, now

822
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: you may recognize that.

823
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: Name, do you slightly.

824
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 3: It's one of those picturesque abandoned towns in the Mahabi Desert.

825
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 3: Right along the route of Root sixty six, A boy

826
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: was home to a very famous diner with a crazy

827
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 3: neon sign. The place is called Roy's. I'm sure you've

828
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 3: seen pictures of it, the Roy's Motel and cafe.

829
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, yeah, So that place was It's

830
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: no boy.

831
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 3: Pet place was the anchor of Amboy but unfortunately it closed. Yeah,

832
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 3: and when the owner, the original owner, sold it. And

833
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 3: then despite valiant efforts and investments from this dude, Albert Oukura,

834
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: the guy who bought the original McDonald's and turned it

835
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 3: into a museum, he tried to save this charming mid

836
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: century ghost town located there on Root sixty six, but

837
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: he found there was just not enough accessible potable.

838
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: Water to run to issue out there.

839
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Aboys located in the Mohave Desert. And there's a

840
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: reason why we don't build in the Mohabi Desert. I mean,

841
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 3: by its name, you should know it's a desert, but

842
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: it's one of the most extreme in America. The Hovey

843
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: Desert is where Death Valley is with that one. They

844
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 3: just put it right there in the name. This place

845
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: will kill.

846
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: Your valley, Yeah, exactly, and you've.

847
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 3: Been there, Oh my god, a bunch.

848
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's dope.

849
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 3: I do. I love it, but I guess because I

850
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: have a car and air conditioning, I can leave it easily.

851
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 5: Well.

852
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: They always have those like kind of stunt photos in

853
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: the middle of the heat waves, the rangers out there

854
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: looking like they're going to die and like it's one

855
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 2: hundred and.

856
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 3: Thirty people do legitimately time when they get out of

857
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 3: their cars because it also they don't have enough salt,

858
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 3: you know. Then they get out there drinking a bunch

859
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 3: of water, and.

860
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: People don't understand how much water you need because it's

861
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: so they're not just to sweating that much. It's a

862
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 2: dry heat.

863
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: It's a dry heat to kill.

864
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: It if you have all this evaporative cooling that your

865
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: body's trying to keep up with, so you just any

866
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 2: water you take in, you're giving out like twice as much.

867
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: It's alchemy.

868
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, it's science.

869
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: It's science, or what you said.

870
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, five days after that train robbery I told

871
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: you about in Little Amboy, population zero land pirates struck again,

872
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 3: likely the same crew. Sheriff deputies from San Bernardino County

873
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 3: were called to the tracks after reports of a train

874
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 3: robbery were going down right. The responding deputies, they spot

875
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 3: the unmarked white van out there in the middle of nowhere,

876
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: looking suspicious as all hell, just driving through a section

877
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 3: of the Mohave Basin. It was called like wonder Valley.

878
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 3: There's nothing there, right, So the sheriff's deputies they throw

879
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: on their lights. The blues and twos chase after this

880
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: white van, and of course the white van accelerates, chases

881
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: on Elizabeth. The sheriff's deputies they go nuts. They're like,

882
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: we got nothing to do out here, so they give chase.

883
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 3: There were a high speed chase across the desert floor.

884
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: The cops chasing this unmarked white van must look like

885
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: something out of like a movie about the Cartels, or

886
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 3: like an episode of Breaking Bad. So the pursuit at

887
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: last a while. The only trouble is the unmarked white

888
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: van is in San Bernardino County. Yeah, it's the largest

889
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 3: county in the United Stage if you leave out of Alaska.

890
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 3: Now point is this white van. It ain't escaping the

891
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 3: sheriff's deputies in the Mojave Desert. There's just nowhere to go.

892
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 3: So the train robbers, though they try, Oh boy did

893
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 3: they try, right up until they had a sand burm

894
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 3: and got stuck.

895
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 2: Right those deputies are driving like super charged total.

896
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they're made for that environment. It's like eighthp.

897
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: Trucks and the van. I mean.

898
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: So at this point, even if you're driving like a crackhead,

899
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 3: it's still no business. They will not do what you

900
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: needed to do.

901
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 5: Now.

902
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 3: At this point, though, the two men are like, we're

903
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 3: not giving up. So they flee the van on foot,

904
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 3: trying to run across the desert Elizabeth, and.

905
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: Then they just turned into skeleton.

906
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, hoping to run where I don't know,

907
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: to their deaths.

908
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: They had to jump over the skeletons of the cartoons,

909
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 2: skeletons like cattle that they had to jump over a tumbleweed.

910
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: It was it was nuts. It's a text avery at that.

911
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: It was a lot for them.

912
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 3: Now, don't think that they knew that they were going

913
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 3: to be able to go anywhere, Like, I don't know

914
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 3: if they had a plan, but running from cops at

915
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 3: this point was probably just instinct, so they're just doing

916
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 3: it right. They made it pretty far because the cops,

917
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: the Sheriff's deputies, they had to call out a chopper

918
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: to run them down, and the helicopter did that.

919
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: And mat about short orders, so they.

920
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 3: Get caught in the dead. It turns out the purpse

921
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: were kids, just two boys, sixteen and seventeen years old. Yeah,

922
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: so apparently going in with the unmarked white panel van

923
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: is the move for land pirates because they go down,

924
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: they steal one of those, they steal a couple chase cars,

925
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 3: have at it. Right, They keep going basically across Arizona

926
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: and California estate lines in the Mahabi Desert, right because

927
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: it stretches over both. Now in a town called Hackberry,

928
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 3: a train had to execute this emergency stop after the

929
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 3: sensors reported a loss of air pressure in the brake lines.

930
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: And you know what that means, train robbers. So the

931
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: bandits they strike the stopped train. They load their booty

932
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: into the traditional unmarked white panel van. They flee the area,

933
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 3: but yet again, sheriff's deputies spot them fleeing because they

934
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 3: don't have anything to do and there's no cars out there,

935
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 3: and they just see this white van driving and they're like, oh,

936
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: let's go, just see what that guy's up to. And

937
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 3: when they do, as I have made it clear to you,

938
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 3: the Mahabi there's nothing out there, so they're like giving

939
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 3: chase and then they eventually they try to flee. They

940
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: catch up to the robbers and they discovered that these

941
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 3: guys had stolen one hundred and eighty pairs of brand

942
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 3: new Unreleaf Air Jordan Retro Legend blues. Oh yeah, the

943
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 3: stolen hall Worth forty one thousand dollars.

944
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: Wow, one hundred and eighty of them.

945
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 3: Can you believe that's so? Another robbery of a BNSF

946
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: train once again in yamp By Yampy, Arizona, which is

947
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 3: a near Prescott, Arizona in the middle of the state,

948
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: right smack in the middle of that. You know, the

949
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 3: desert basin is basically a drained ocean floor right there, right,

950
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: so just like left to dry out for millions of year.

951
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: Arizona is so bleak to drive across. You know, I've complained.

952
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: About it because you go from like either like if

953
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: you're going east, you'd have that bleakness, and then you

954
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: get to New Mexico, you're like, oh, look at this,

955
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 2: that is something so beautiful.

956
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 3: The land of enchantment. I get it.

957
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: And then because like it's the quality of the sky is,

958
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: don't when you're driving west, like this is so beautiful Arizona.

959
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: Wait what happens?

960
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: You got to get through Arizona to get to California.

961
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 3: And if you're driving west anytime near sunset or the

962
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 3: suns in your eyes, just pull over and shoot yourself.

963
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 3: Not really good, but you know, dude, I have my

964
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 3: eyes burned so bad one time. It just it's terrible.

965
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: They make these things glasses.

966
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 3: I've heard about it, you and my sister all right now,

967
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: the place to be, Elizabeth, if you're looking to boost

968
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: Jordan's from a box car is Arizona. That's the spot,

969
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 3: even more than California because there's less of everything there.

970
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true.

971
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 3: So these four men they get busted after they robbed

972
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 3: a train and they tried to get away with forty

973
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 3: eight thousand dollars worth of Nikes. But in this case,

974
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: the shoes weren't Jordan's thought. To mix it up a

975
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 3: little bit for you, the band it stole a load

976
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 3: of unreleased Nike dunk Low's Midnight navies. So there you go.

977
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: According to court documents from a case filed in a

978
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 3: federal court in Phoenix, there was this string of robberies

979
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: of the BNSF trains in Arizona between April and June

980
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 3: that netted the land Pirates a stolen booty worth three

981
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 3: hundred and forty six thousand dollars.

982
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 2: Wow.

983
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 3: But the big daddy score in Arizona has to be

984
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 3: the pair two BNSF trains that were hit outside of

985
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: the towns of Kingmen and Seligmann. Yes. Now, those two

986
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: train robberies were worth a combined six hundred and twelve

987
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. Two train robberies, all of it. Nike sneakers,

988
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 3: no diamonds, no oil, They're not like no gold shipments. Yeah.

989
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 3: That pair of that pair of train robberies, though, did

990
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 3: eventually result in eight arrests. Now, there's this one Cato

991
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: I've been waiting to tell you about. The authorities consider

992
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 3: him a mastermind, a OG of the trained robbery game.

993
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: His street name boyle Chicken in Spanish. Yeah, it's not

994
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 3: the best boil. It's not the best street name, right,

995
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 3: totally the crazy Chicken. But then again, if your street

996
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: name is chicken like Boyo. It might have nothing to

997
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: do with your character. It might just be the like,

998
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: you know, you got named Boyo like a long time

999
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: ago by somebody else, and it's because you were like

1000
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 3: as tall as a chicken. And now you can just

1001
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 3: go toe to toe with anybody. So like, just because

1002
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: someone's named chicken, oh, do not mess with them, especially

1003
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: if they're a street criminal named Boyle.

1004
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: Well if I think anyone with a street criminal names.

1005
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: That's what I mean. If you when you're keeping it

1006
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: and it's like a weird whack one, like it's like,

1007
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 3: oh man, you're gonna get your you.

1008
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 2: Know anyway, Yeah, they're like meat muffin.

1009
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were ready to get your card pulled, so muffin.

1010
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 3: This is meat love Muffin and Muffin. They're twins. That's

1011
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: how we know them. Anyway. The government name of this dude,

1012
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 3: his name is Felipe Artro AVOs Mahiaa Avolosa. Now, the

1013
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: reasons that the cops consider him a mastermind is because

1014
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 3: Boyo employs a team of scouts to target trains. He

1015
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 3: also coordinates vehicles for his train ride.

1016
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: Little chicks, No, you're just gonna.

1017
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: Run with this sooo, he hires and he pays out

1018
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 3: his crew based on their stolen halls, and you can

1019
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 3: tell that he's been in the game a while because

1020
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: he's good. He also arranges a whole network offences, so

1021
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 3: he gets the stolen cars. He's paying his guys. He

1022
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: pretty much. I mean, if he gave him health insurance.

1023
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 3: This is like a good gig. So it also this way,

1024
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 3: as I said, we always want to get it. You

1025
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 3: want to have your fence locked down. You gotta be

1026
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: able to sell off your stolen goods. He's got a

1027
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: whole network, so he's golden. Right. But this is how

1028
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 3: you can last eleven years as a ringle. I said,

1029
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: eleven years because I know when it ends.

1030
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, yeah.

1031
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: Are my favorite land pirate, our pirate captain. If you

1032
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: will up these land pirates. Boyo so Poil lasted until

1033
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, but he lasted right up until the

1034
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 3: California State law enforcements of HP Everybody and Homeland Security

1035
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 3: teamed up to bring down Poyo and so on Joan

1036
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 3: twentieth of last year. Agents from Homeland Security and California

1037
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 3: Law Enforcement Task forces. Right they executed search warrants on

1038
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 3: eleven different residents, is sixteen different storage units, and the authorities.

1039
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 3: They end up arresting forty three suspects into his Dude's network. Right,

1040
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: they recovered three million dollars of stolen goods that were

1041
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: intransit between fences and whatever, and they were obviously from

1042
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,959
Speaker 3: the BNSF train robberies, all stolen nikes and so forth.

1043
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 3: Most of the boxes are Jordan's, but Poyo I would

1044
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 3: also Mahia, He Stombaf, stayed out of the drag net.

1045
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 3: He laid low, he hit out, He managed to evade

1046
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 3: the cops that were and the FEDS are hunting him down.

1047
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 3: When the cops executed a search warrant at the residence,

1048
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 3: but they believed he was located. They found no Boyo,

1049
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 3: but they did find seventy four cases of stolen nikes,

1050
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 3: one hundred and eight packs of socks, thirty five sock,

1051
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: thirty five pairs of shoes worth about ninety four thousand dollars,

1052
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 3: as well as ten stolen vehicles which were believed to

1053
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: have been used in prior train burglaries. In Yeah, my

1054
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 3: buddy style always wanted to have He's tell me if

1055
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 3: you ever got rich, the first thing he would do

1056
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: is he'd buy enough socks. He could always wear a

1057
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: fresh pair of socks each day and then throw them

1058
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 3: out the end of the day. That was that to him,

1059
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 3: was like, that's the that's it. Yeah, okay. So I

1060
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 3: think my man Poo He's had a similar view. He's like,

1061
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 3: I can afford a hundred eight socks, why not give

1062
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 3: that to me?

1063
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1064
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's enough for two a week.

1065
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty two.

1066
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: Weeks, right, you know, one hundred and eight Sure. Anyway,

1067
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 3: despite all his slipperiness, the Mastermind Boyo was eventually tracked down.

1068
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: Cops got up to Poyo at a restaurant in Huntington Park, California.

1069
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

1070
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 3: At the time of his arrest, he was dining with

1071
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: another man. He had on him a Louis Vautone very nice,

1072
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: and the Louis Vuton handbag was one hundred and twenty

1073
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 3: thousand dollars in cash along with a ledger. The ledger

1074
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 3: contained a list of Nike products that had recently been

1075
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: stolen from BNSF trains. The kicker was the item I

1076
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 3: list had estimated dollar amounts right next to the stolen goods.

1077
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: Oh Wow, the cops had caught.

1078
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: The mastermind with his fence and all the evidence they

1079
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 3: would ever need to bust both of them.

1080
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 2: I hope it was a fake, Louis.

1081
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 3: Dude, that's how my man Boyle got fried.

1082
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's for you.

1083
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 3: Hey. I should point out he's currently in the system

1084
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: awaiting trial, and thus he remains innocent of all charges

1085
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 3: until proven guilty. Good luck, Captain Boyle.

1086
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: So when they when they interviewed him, he was pyoto,

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Speaker 2: he was grilled.

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Speaker 3: Oh would double backed on me?

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Speaker 2: Do you think any of the stolen nikes were those ones,

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Speaker 2: the all white ones that Jax wore on Sons of Vanage.

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Speaker 3: Oh, the prison specials?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the prison special Yeah, I don't know if.

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Speaker 3: They make the prison twos.

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Speaker 2: He'd always they were always like perfectly right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you want anybody wants Liz, if I got

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Speaker 3: a question for you, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 2: My ridiculous takeaway is that it still baffles me, like

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Speaker 2: how much people will pay for a pair of shoes

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Speaker 2: running shoes basketball.

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Speaker 3: So if they were leather shoes, would that make more sense?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 2: Their leather, aren't they?

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Speaker 3: So that's where you're going by materials.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, what I'm just saying like it just

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Speaker 2: seems like outsized, like you know, thousand dollars sneakers, seems

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Speaker 2: like there's a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of attached cachet you're you're paying for. Jordan changed

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Speaker 3: all this. He started making people feel like if I

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Speaker 3: had these shoes, I can be like the bad boy

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Speaker 3: Jordan who took a fine every day to be able

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Speaker 3: to wear his own shoes. I mean that starts his

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Speaker 3: legend as a rebel. Well no, but it's just it's

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Speaker 3: this psychologist like you said about little kids, like you

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Speaker 3: put them on, I'm so fast. It's that for grown

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Speaker 3: men and grown women, grown everybody, anybody wants to grown. Yeah,

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00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 3: they were like, hey, I feel like I'm so fast

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Speaker 3: to my Jordan's.

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Speaker 2: What what's your ridiculous takeaways there?

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Speaker 3: That you had to even ask that my ridiculous takeaway

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Speaker 3: crime is actually that No matter how much I read

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Speaker 3: about this, I'm like, man, I want to do it.

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00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 3: I know that's wrong, I know it's wrong. I know

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Speaker 3: Darren don't do it, But I was like, man, I

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Speaker 3: want just like once, just one one I can get

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Speaker 3: away if I get away with just a treat. Yeah,

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00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 3: just like, come on, tell the guys like, hey, they

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00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 3: kidnapped me.

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Speaker 2: They made me do this and then the cops catch you.

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00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 2: You go just kidding.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, hey, like a one times the snow.

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00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 2: You just tell him I wasn't standing there with a

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00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 2: box of I did not do that.

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00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 3: I tell him I'm a security expert and I was

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Speaker 3: doing it as undercover.

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Speaker 2: A white hat free lance expert.

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Speaker 3: Desert lampid, Well, Elizabeth, should we wash away the desert

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Speaker 3: with a talkback? Yes, producer d can you favor us

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Speaker 3: with one?

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, I went, hey, I'm a huge fan

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00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 6: of the show and I was so excited to hear

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00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 6: Darren mentioned flat track role derby the other week.

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Speaker 7: It is an amazing sport. Oh yeah, derby in Canada.

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Speaker 7: My derby name is Princess Leia, and it's also an

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Speaker 7: expensive sport. So make sure you get out there and

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Speaker 7: you support your local roller derby, whether you follow them

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00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 7: on social media or you check out their games. I

1147
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 7: know there's lots of teams all over California, even the

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00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 7: Oakland Outlaws, so check them out.

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00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, we will definitely do that. Oakland Outlaws, We're

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Speaker 3: coming your way.

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00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: Mine. Do support it those sports that's so cool.

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00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Roller Derby's the I can't say what it is

1153
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 3: on the air, but you know it. That's what it is.

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Speaker 3: It's also you can find us online always a Ridiculous

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Speaker 3: Crime on the social media. Mostly that's a Twitter. No,

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00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 3: it's Blue Sky and his Instagram and that's about it,

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00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: I think, right. Okay, Well, we have our website, Ridiculous

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00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: Crime dot com. It is a seven time Newberry Award

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00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 3: winner and uh to check it out. Also, we love

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Speaker 3: your talkback, so go to the iHeart app download it,

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00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 3: leave us a talk back. Maybe you'll hear your voice. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we'd like to hear it. And as always, thank you

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Speaker 3: for listening. We will catch you next crime. Ridiculous Crime

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