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Speaker 1: My husband admitted to baby trapping me and the worst

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Speaker 1: way you can imagine. I think I'm gonna stay even

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Speaker 1: after what he's doing to me. Now, I'm like struggling

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Speaker 1: to think, like, baby trapping is already terrible. Yes, right,

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Speaker 1: you got the classics, holes and condoms, yep, and spake,

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Speaker 1: person control maybe bake, yeah, favor control. Um, those are

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Speaker 1: already terrible. I'm wondering, what's what's the worst way possible.

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Speaker 1: Let's figure it out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always had my suspicions, but hearing him actually

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Speaker 2: say it out loud was jarring to hear.

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Speaker 1: Oh God, what is it? What is it? He told

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Speaker 1: me that on the night we conceived our oldest he

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Speaker 1: got me really really drunk while he stayed sober. What

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Speaker 1: the heck? When I was too drunk to even remember

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Speaker 1: what happened? He did it without a condom. Again, I

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Speaker 1: don't even remember this happening.

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Speaker 2: I thought that I got pregnant the day after because

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Speaker 2: he said that protection actually broke while we were doing it.

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Speaker 1: I asked him, Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: I asked him why he felt the need to do that,

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Speaker 2: and he said that he needed to get me pregnant

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Speaker 2: because he was scared that I was going to party

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Speaker 2: and leave him and live my life when I turned

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Speaker 2: twenty one. He didn't want me to turn into a

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Speaker 2: salute that was at.

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Speaker 1: Twenty Oh my, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Can you possibly imagine what an absolute disgusting scuzzball of

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Speaker 1: That is so fucked up? Yeah, it's like and I

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Speaker 1: always like, I'm like, I hear stories like this, and

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Speaker 2: It's it's insane. Some people are that like desperate for

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Speaker 1: Or yeah, that it comes out. This really comes from

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Speaker 1: a place who're just wanting to be loved, insane, like,

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Speaker 1: and the thing and the evil that people will do

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Speaker 1: to feel that a million percent, it's absolute insanity. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Now we have three kids. This was ten years ago.

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Speaker 2: While I don't necessarily regret my kids, I feel like

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Speaker 2: my right to choose was taken away. Yeah, absolutely far out.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to terminate with our second child for mental

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Speaker 2: health reasons. He still mocks me about it to this day,

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Speaker 2: and even told our oldest daughter that I almost terminated

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Speaker 2: her sister.

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Speaker 3: What the.

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Speaker 2: Literally a monster? Oh God, why would you? Why would

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Speaker 1: And the thing that is the thing he like, what

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Speaker 1: him if he hadn't had Yep, have baby trapped? I

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Speaker 1: mean there's you know, there's another word for me. Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: but but she was trapped because she probably wanted to

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Speaker 1: take care of this kid, didn't know, but probably had

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Speaker 1: an inkling of how shitty this guy was. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: he's and the fact that he's like just like saying,

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Speaker 1: oh your mom almost literally, why would you ever say

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Speaker 1: this guy. I hate this guy. Like, let us know,

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Speaker 1: like right now, what do you think of this too?

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Speaker 1: What would you do? I mean we're not even knowing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with that, he guilted me out of getting one.

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Speaker 2: I regret not having a care free time in my

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Speaker 2: entire adult life. When I got pregnant, I was only

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Speaker 2: twenty and my husband was twenty six, so he already

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Speaker 2: got to experience his whole fun college experience. Those would

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Speaker 2: be my main regrets. My kids are all amazing, smart

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Speaker 2: I had to grow up with my kids, and that's

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Speaker 2: not an easy thing to do. Absolutely wow, But Sam,

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Speaker 2: there is an update here.

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Speaker 1: I hope it's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I also hope, so, my god. First of all,

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Speaker 2: we were separated for a long time. I lived with

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Speaker 1: Good. I met a new man at my job. Good,

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Speaker 2: He quit, but I ended up working there for way

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Speaker 2: long after he found a new job. We'll call him A.

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Speaker 2: He was my age. He was single, and I could

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Speaker 2: so I didn't force anything. But he texted me every

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Speaker 1: Oh wow. We didn't do anything for a full year

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Speaker 2: I love I love hearing that. Opie, my goodness, you

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Speaker 2: deserve it, Oh, my goodness, you get you deserve to

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Speaker 1: After all.

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Speaker 2: The absolutely understatement of yeah, uh, I knew he liked me. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: long story short, my ex, now the kid's father, figured

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Speaker 2: out that I was with this new sexy man that

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Speaker 1: He could just tell. I can't explain how he knew.

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Speaker 1: Out of nowhere, my ex joined tender and found a

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Speaker 1: new woman to take on a Disney cruise with the kids.

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Speaker 2: With the kids literally, like this guy literally is like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you're in a happy relationship. No, like I'm finding some

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily take issue with him finding someone on

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Speaker 2: Literally like taking like tinder date, but it's with your

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Speaker 1: A cruise, on a Disney cruise. I don't know it

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Speaker 1: really likes Mickey Mouse. Seriously, I said, hell no, I

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Speaker 1: We never went on fancy vacations as a family when

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Speaker 1: I told him that I was so angry about him

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Speaker 2: With our three kids. He said, well, you have a passport,

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Speaker 2: you can come with us. If not you, she's coming

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Speaker 2: just like literal like extortion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it doesn't even like this person. He's just

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Speaker 1: literally he's just he's literally using this person as like

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Speaker 1: I feel bad for this random Tinder girl that's got yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, right, just oh my goodness, she's getting a

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Speaker 2: This guy sucks, sucks so bad, but I am a

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Speaker 2: guy was so upset he blocked me. Unfortunately, oh well awful.

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Speaker 1: Blocked because she was hanging out with her ex.

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Speaker 2: I think so like going. I mean like he should

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Speaker 1: Out, but well she also should should explain maybe what's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which I have to assume, have to assume that

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Speaker 1: Hope I maybe she wouldn't. Maybe she wouldn't. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think it's poor form. I don't care if this guy

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Speaker 1: I feel with poor form to invite a tender date

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Speaker 2: And it's exactly like you said, all this is is

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Speaker 2: him using a chest beast to just like twist the torture.

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Speaker 1: Torture. Yeah, that's literally her relationship exactly.

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Speaker 2: So, even even if it was completely innocent, it's one thing.

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Speaker 2: But because it's for that reason, it's it's just ft

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Speaker 2: from the jump. I regret it so much. I miss

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Speaker 2: him every single day. I love him. I'm still obsessed

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Speaker 2: that I made love with A. He refuses to make

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing she she doesn't want to.

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Speaker 1: He refuses to make love with me. Yeah her X

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Speaker 2: Now now she's back living with him again and and they're.

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Speaker 1: Not like, wait, but it says he refuses to make

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Speaker 2: He said he's still upset that I hooked up with A.

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Speaker 2: He refuses to hook up with me, so he's not

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Speaker 1: From what I'm hearing in that sentence, it sounds like

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Speaker 1: I'm interpreting that as I want to hook up with him,

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Speaker 2: It's okay, Well, this this adds little little bit more context. Nowadays,

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Speaker 2: I'm in a very sexless relationship, so it seems like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we get along somewhat, we can have fun conversations,

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Speaker 2: I e fed up my life. Thanks for reading, if

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Speaker 2: you did, my goodness. This one was definitely a tough one.

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Speaker 1: You know, this This is one of those cases where like,

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Speaker 1: obviously she had some really fucked up shit happened to her. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if I think, like just simply if

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Speaker 2: definitely just my goodness saying that he doesn't deserve her

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm almost thinking like the best course of action

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Speaker 1: divorce and try to get custody. Yeah, I one hundred

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Speaker 2: I think her, maybe her she said like, oh I'm

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Speaker 2: Or maybe or maybe for a tough situation, She's in

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Speaker 1: Been in that abuse for years? For so long? Like

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Speaker 1: Like clearly he literally did that whole.

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Speaker 2: Like tinder day on the cruise thing literally just to

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Speaker 1: We want to know what you guys would do? What?

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Speaker 1: What should op do? I think I think she needs

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Speaker 1: such advice for sure. Put in the comments, but that

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Speaker 3: That's reason they.

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Speaker 1: Must have been eating hummas aggressively.

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Speaker 4: Is that what the kids are calling it nowadays, is

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Speaker 2: I thirty female, have a son, fifteen male, and he

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Speaker 2: It was about thirty minutes in when I was walking

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Speaker 5: All right, some good hummus.

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Speaker 3: This makes sense, that's the path because it's all coming together.

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Speaker 2: It really sounded like they were having some fun times together. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was super weirded out by it, so I quickly

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering like, how long was the mom listening? You know, like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, can you work away? It's like a

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Speaker 1: I think you try. I think it's like, if it's

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Speaker 3: Two and a half minutes of hummus noises seems appropriate.

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Speaker 1: Two and a half you think, two and a half

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Speaker 4: Good on him for lasting more than two minutes at fifteen.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, when I was a teen eating hummus, I

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Speaker 1: Forty five seconds that's a marathon.

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Speaker 4: I'm just having like flash forwards to my future with

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Speaker 1: But yeah, how long would you guys listen to dislike

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Speaker 4: As soon as my brain was like is that that

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Speaker 4: I need to go. I need to leave and we

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Speaker 4: will talk about this later.

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Speaker 3: I'm partially deaf, so I probably wouldn't need the two

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Speaker 2: So when this friend left an hour or two later,

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Speaker 2: Because although I don't mind him being gay, and I

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Speaker 2: know it's normal for teenager to have sex, a condom

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Speaker 2: should really be used.

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Speaker 1: It's fair. Yeah, yeah, save sex. I planned to confront

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Speaker 1: him about that. However, the answer shocked me to my

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Speaker 1: very core. They were not having fun times. They were

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Speaker 4: Like, if that's true, where's the evidence, Like, bring me

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Speaker 4: the container of hummus?

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Speaker 3: Oh, and they ate it all?

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Speaker 5: If it pleases, the court may point to exhibit A,

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Speaker 5: a strip of red red bell pepper clearly half bitten

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: There's gonna be evidence of said hummus.

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Speaker 1: So, as you can imagine, I was shocked, and I

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Speaker 1: initially did not believe this. We had never had hummus before.

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Speaker 1: I love how that's like, You're like, I don't believe you.

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Speaker 1: This is not a hummss household.

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Speaker 5: He did outsourced it to his friend.

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Speaker 1: That's why, so I asked him to show me the

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Speaker 1: hummus if this was true. He did show me the hummus,

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Speaker 1: and I ate hummus for the first time, and oh

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Speaker 1: my god, was it good. She ate hummus with She

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Speaker 2: We experimented with different things in it, like bread and carrots,

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Speaker 2: and it was great. Apparently his friend had heard about

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Speaker 1: Did you guys have a hummus party? I mean Erica

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Speaker 4: I hate hummus.

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Speaker 3: We had a secret Hummas party. We didn't invite Erica.

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Speaker 4: Though that sounds about right.

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Speaker 2: It ended up being quite a good ending, and I

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Speaker 1: But there is an updates hummus updates.

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Speaker 4: We love an update.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, the majority of you were right. They were

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Speaker 2: doing it what toles. For the record, I did think

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Speaker 2: it sounded like it. So here's what they did. They

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Speaker 2: ate some hummus first to set the move, to set

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Speaker 1: Now, they didn't do anything at the same time like

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Speaker 2: After they finished the hummus. That's when they started doing it.

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Speaker 2: My son's boyfriend I think they're boyfriends now the post

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Speaker 4: Well, that's good that they have a good enough relationship

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Speaker 5: I think if you just put hummus on everything, it

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Speaker 1: No, I think you've heard that too. Yeah, incorrect.

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Speaker 3: You must be on a weird side to take that,

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Speaker 3: because we all got that.

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Speaker 1: We all know. Yeah. No. So other than that, nothing

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Speaker 2: We had a long, awkward talk where I told him

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Speaker 2: I don't really endorse him doing that kind of stuff

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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. Now onto the more important thing, haummits.

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Speaker 2: I really like hummus.

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Speaker 1: Now, I've never had it before because it looks kind

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Speaker 1: of disgusting, yellow and sludgy, but I have learned appearances

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Speaker 1: can be to saving. It was homemade, so I'm going

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Speaker 1: make more. I've already fished all of it. Also, what

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Speaker 1: are some other good things to dip it in?

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Speaker 2: I've tried other things, carrots, cucumbers, and various breads.

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Speaker 1: Any suggestions would be so appreciated. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: have recommended baba ganoush as well. Is that similar or

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Speaker 1: better than hummus? Wow?

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Speaker 3: And a little rude at all? The hummus?

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Speaker 1: Right, damn mom, you hogging it?

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Speaker 5: So listen. Real advice. Love a good red bell pepper,

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Speaker 5: yellow bell pepper. They go right in there. Tortilla chips,

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Speaker 5: the saltier the better. I like blue corn. That's some

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Speaker 5: good stuff in their blue corn tortilla chips. And then

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Speaker 5: pita bread, maybe make it with a different thing. I

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Speaker 3: Are we taking notes?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: Perfect?

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Speaker 1: This is a core memory right here. It's like one

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Speaker 1: of those flashbul memory moments. I will never forget this.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a hummus.

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Speaker 5: That's solid advice, perfect, amazing,