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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Everybody? Welcome into another edition of Crush City Territory. I'm

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Speaker 2: Channel Room. Joined is always by Tyler Stafford and another

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Speaker 2: very special guest today, Seattle Times Mariners beat writer Ryan Divish.

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Speaker 2: I think if you're an Astros fan and you've been

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Speaker 2: following the team for any length of time, and you've

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Speaker 2: opened social media at any point during that time, you know, Ryan, long, long,

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Speaker 2: long time chronicler of the Seattle Mariners, Ryan, what season

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Speaker 2: will this be for you covering the Mariners?

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Speaker 3: My first season was two thousand and six, and then

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Speaker 3: my first season where I was like spring training and

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Speaker 3: doing like the full thing was two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 1: So however many years that is. You know, I'm a journalist.

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Speaker 3: I'm not good at math, so I've been doing this

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Speaker 3: a while, and yes I always feel bad, Like whenever

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Speaker 3: I retweet something you post and then all the Mariners

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Speaker 3: fans jump in and get on you about stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's always a fun thing.

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Speaker 4: What are you talking about. Everybody's nice to Astros fans

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Speaker 4: on the internet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody's meaning to Chandler, Astro fans, Mariners fans that

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Speaker 3: even even other writers are mean to Chandler. So it's

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Speaker 3: it's all right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's actually fair. You should check out our comments section.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like I feel guilty in a lot

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Speaker 3: of ways because when Chandler was just a very very

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Speaker 3: young reporter, I met him and I was at like

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Speaker 3: that peak of my bitterness and angry in it, just

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Speaker 3: like your anger. And I like it was like seeing

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Speaker 3: you know, a young Anakin Skywalker come walking through. And

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Speaker 3: I felt like, I like, Chandler was really negative already.

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Speaker 3: I didn't have to do a lot of work, but

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Speaker 3: I feel like I helped accentuate it, you know that.

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Speaker 3: And then the astros PR staff really helped work on that,

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Speaker 3: that hatred of all things and all people.

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Speaker 1: It was really good for him.

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Speaker 2: We've said it on here. We've all grown up together.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, twenty years of Mariners baseball will do

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Speaker 4: that to you. So yeah, I don't blame you.

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Speaker 3: It's been you know, It's like, I don't know, I

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Speaker 3: think I got grouch here with the advent of social media.

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Speaker 3: And then at some point, like I just reminded myself, like,

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Speaker 3: you don't know these people.

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Speaker 1: Most of them don't subscribe.

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Speaker 3: To what you you know, to your to your newspaper,

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Speaker 3: So why do you care what they think, you know.

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Speaker 3: So I was like, that's a pretty good way to

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Speaker 3: think about it. It took like twenty years by Yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: We love everyone that listens and watches Crush Territory. So

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Speaker 2: out a ton that. Uh, that really broadens our reach

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Speaker 2: before we get into baseball, before we get into like

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Speaker 2: the Mariners and the Astros and who's really the better

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Speaker 2: who's better position in the Al West. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if a lot of people knew, but obviously you made

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Speaker 2: it known that you took a sabbatical at the beginning

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Speaker 2: of last season until about August, and you went off

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Speaker 2: and you coached. You were you were, Ah, you were.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a high school baseball team.

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Speaker 2: You were a travel ball kind of an all star

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Speaker 2: Why did you do that and what did you get

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So it was American Legion baseball. It was the

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Speaker 3: Like when I was in college playing, I came back

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Speaker 3: His second I think, you know, second to last season

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Speaker 1: They they underachieved.

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Speaker 3: And so I was like, I'm tired of this, you know,

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Speaker 3: because like summer in Montana is pretty magical. But it

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Speaker 3: Obviously I got to come back and they were really

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it was it was something I needed to do.

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Speaker 3: I think everybody sometimes needs to take a step back,

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Speaker 3: it's like the baseball players, you get caught up in it.

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Speaker 1: You don't know what day it is.

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Speaker 3: You're just so focused on little things, like you know,

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Speaker 1: Go, yeah, it doesn't really matter. So that really helped.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was the best summer of my life.

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Speaker 1: I had a blast. You know, I didn't get a

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Speaker 3: We lost in the championship, our district championship, and I

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Speaker 1: Never swore, never did anything, but uh yeah, it was.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't change it other than like we

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Speaker 3: But and I said, I tried to make it work

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Speaker 1: I just wasn't gonna work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Ryan, I was a teacher for a while and

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Speaker 4: just a bunch of knuckleheads trying to teach them how

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Speaker 3: You know, I didn't have anybody directly complain to me

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Speaker 1: Like absolutely, I'm sick of them.

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Speaker 3: So you know, the other coaches thought I was great,

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Speaker 3: I have a teaching degree. I would never go back

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Speaker 2: It's weird, like we sometimes get vilified as as reporters

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Speaker 2: because we haven't done it. We haven't played. You played,

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Speaker 3: I'll never question whether you play hard or not. I

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Speaker 3: I knew what I did, and I'm going to make

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Speaker 3: Like I played it in an eye level and I

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Speaker 3: And so like when somebody sees one hundred mile prior

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Speaker 3: that's got to be a home I'm like, no, it

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Speaker 1: And so I have a very high.

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Speaker 3: Appreciation for good catching and and like what it takes

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Speaker 3: and how much of a beating you take, you know,

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Speaker 3: obviously covering Cal Rawley, but I have Mike Sanino and

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Speaker 3: I covered a lot of bad catching with the Mariners,

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Speaker 3: like guys that were really really bad. So yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: I think that's the biggest takeaway is I have empathy,

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Speaker 3: and I know that never bring up my playing experience

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Speaker 4: How do Mariners fans feel after last season? Like was

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Speaker 3: I don't understand why you get so mad about an

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Speaker 3: In years past, now we've seen them win in Houston.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's been contentious at times. They certainly aren't

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Speaker 3: at Brendan Donovan. The Astros wan, the Mariners wanted him,

437
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 3: Yankees liked him. Every team that has legitimate playoff hopes

438
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 3: wanted him because he's so versatile. You know, he can

439
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 3: play second at a high level. They're going to play

440
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 3: him at third a career three sixty one on base percentage,

441
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,680
Speaker 3: you know, plus just he has got kind of the

442
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 3: old school knowledge of how he wants to play the game,

443
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 3: the approach. I mean, like I think teams, when teams

444
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 3: go in and scout him and watch him for a

445
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 3: pretty long period, you get a real appreciation for what

446
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 3: he does. Like you look at the peripheral numbers. Yeah,

447
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,159
Speaker 3: he doesn't hit a ton of homers or whatever. It's like,

448
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 3: it isn't explosive, but he's He's an accumulation guy where

449
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 3: you watch him a lot. He does a lot of

450
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,639
Speaker 3: little things to make teams better. Gout I sound like

451
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,120
Speaker 3: a manager right now or GM, but like I mean,

452
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,160
Speaker 3: like I have a true appreciation for how he plays,

453
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,120
Speaker 3: watching him prepare and everything like that.

454
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Speaker 1: And that's that's why I think everybody wanted him. It's

455
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 1: funny like last.

456
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 3: Year the Mariners came in because the Maras thought that

457
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 3: Polanka was going to go to Houston, and they came

458
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 3: in at the last minute and said, hey, would you

459
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 3: like to come back. We'll do this, We'll make it

460
00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 3: work with this, and I think they offered some more

461
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 3: Santa Is a little bit more money, and he's like, yeah,

462
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,959
Speaker 3: I'll do that, and then they share with Donovan. They

463
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 3: knew Houston was coming after him, they knew even Boston

464
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 3: had some interest the way they could make it work,

465
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 3: and they had offered basically the package they had offered.

466
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 1: Basically they were offering Cincha.

467
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 3: And Ben Williamson right away at him Bloom but high

468
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 3: him because he was taken over, had to reassess everything

469
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 3: and go through all the evaluations, and they didn't. I mean,

470
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 3: you look at Williams and he was twenty seven or

471
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Speaker 3: whatever it is, twenty six. That's just really not the

472
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 3: window they were looking for. They were looking for guys

473
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Speaker 3: in the early twenties. So that that's how they got

474
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,919
Speaker 3: the Rays involved, because the Rays didn't know if Williamson

475
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 3: would be available, and so the Rays and I mean,

476
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 3: is there a more Tampa Bay race type of player

477
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 3: than Ben Williamson defensive, first platoon type of guy. So

478
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 3: they got that, and that's how they were able to

479
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 3: make it work is getting the Rays involved and putting

480
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 3: it over at the top because the Cardinals weren't really

481
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 3: interested in Williamson and the Mariners weren't going to give

482
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 3: up Last Montes or anything like that. I mean, like, honestly,

483
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 3: the Mariners got the guy they wanted and they gave up,

484
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 3: you know, a fringy major league player, and then they

485
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 3: also gave up one of their pitching top pitching prospects,

486
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 3: but he wasn't one of their two best, you know.

487
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 3: And that's now there's this kid from LSU that Chandler

488
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 3: well knows. It's pretty good for the Mariners and another kid,

489
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 3: so that was probably their third best pitching prospect and

490
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 3: then a guy that is, you know, a platoon guy

491
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 3: at most to get Brendan Donovan.

492
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Speaker 1: I think that's pretty crazy how it works.

493
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 3: I mean, that's how good the depth of their uh,

494
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 3: their farm system is as well.

495
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Tyler, as we have talked about, that is

496
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 2: what separates these two teams, these two organizations, I should say,

497
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: the Astros. They could have put together a package that

498
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 2: is probably commesurate with what the with what the Mariners

499
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: parted with prospect wise, but it would have staggered their

500
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 2: farm system. Their farm system is already bereft of any

501
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 2: top end talent to begin with. If they would have

502
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: had to give up and I'm I'm just gonna say

503
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 2: these names. I do not know that they were talked about,

504
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 2: but if they would have had to give up an

505
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: Ethan fry A, Xavier Nine's, the guys that are you know,

506
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 2: you look at as maybe the next foundational top end

507
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: pieces like it would have it would have really really

508
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 2: hurt them. Whereas the Mariners can give up dur Angelou

509
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 2: Sinchi and you know the guys that they gave up.

510
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: And like you said, divish like they're okay, like they

511
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: they there was a luxury item that they had and

512
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 2: they were able to give them up to get the

513
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 2: team better.

514
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 1: Now.

515
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think also like how Kate Anderson has progressed

516
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 3: through the off season and then Ryan Sloan, the two

517
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 3: pitching in their main pitching guys, you know you throw

518
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: in I mean, because like that was total serendipitous. They

519
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 3: get the third overall pick, lock into it because they're

520
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 3: barely in the lottery or whatever is. They get the

521
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 3: third overall pick, and then the Angels don't take Kate Anderson.

522
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 3: Either the Nationals or the Angels take Kate Anderson. I

523
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 3: mean they couldn't run the cart up fast enough to

524
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Speaker 3: get to them or call it up.

525
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Speaker 1: So you know, they get those two.

526
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 3: They don't give up Colt Emerson, they don't give up Lasmnts,

527
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 3: they don't give up Cole Young, they don't give up

528
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 3: any of their their top six or seven guys.

529
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: And they get the player they want. I mean, they

530
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: they really that really worked out for them. Although draft

531
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: picks are valuable, don't get me wrong. They no team.

532
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 3: It's like it's funny, now, no team like's giving up

533
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 3: draft picks at the end of the first round.

534
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, and the Ashers are about to have

535
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 2: one of their most consequential drafts in ten years. They're

536
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 2: gonna pick I believe five times in the first ninety

537
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 2: three picks. They're they're picking seventeenth overall, which is higher

538
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: than they have picked in a very very long time.

539
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 2: They got at they got a PPI pick from Hunter

540
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: Brown finishing third and Cy Young voting, so they'll have

541
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: They're gonna have their biggest bonus pool in a decade.

542
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 2: They're gonna have This is the most consequential draft the

543
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 2: Astros have had in a decade. So this is where

544
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: they can recoup. But as of the moment and as

545
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 2: of when they were, you know, talking about these deals,

546
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,719
Speaker 2: they did not have that depth. Ryan, It's interesting like

547
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: to talk about the how well you mentioned earlier that

548
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: sometimes this rivalry between the Mariners and the Astros gets

549
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 2: contentious and the benches have cleared between them before there

550
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: is a prominent guy on the Mariners and JP Crawford,

551
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: who you know, was on the team when everything that

552
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: went down in twenty and seventeen. In twenty eighteen with

553
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 2: the Astros sign stealing scandal, he lived through that, he

554
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: played against that. Where do you think maybe the sides

555
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: are now in terms of, to put it bluntly, like hatred,

556
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 2: do you think these two teams still really really dislike

557
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 2: each other. Do you think the Mariners have just a

558
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: visceral antipathy for the Astros.

559
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 1: Not maybe not as much.

560
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: You know, JP dislikes him obviously, and I think that

561
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: still trickles down Julio doesn't really have a lot of

562
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 3: love because Julio feels like he gets thrown at and

563
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: I know that, you know, posey Altov doesn't really like

564
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 3: Logan Gilbert much. I mean, there's getting dotted and there's

565
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 3: getting dotted. But like, yeah, I still think there's a

566
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: dislike maybe it was like little Brother Big Brother for

567
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: a while and now it's like now it's like a

568
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 3: bad episode of step Brothers. Honestly, Like because they're so

569
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 3: similar in a lot of things they do, they just

570
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: they don't like each other, and you know, and it's

571
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: it's pretty prevalent. You know, there's just a different edge,

572
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 3: and I know you can feel it, like going in

573
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: last year that series in Houston, like going in and

574
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: to me, honestly, like just having watched a lot of

575
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: it and stuff. I felt like if the marriage just

576
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: even played okay, they would they would take two of

577
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: three pretty easily because the Aspos weren't playing well at

578
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 3: the time.

579
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: They were banged up.

580
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 3: But and like, you know, but then to do it

581
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 3: how they did it, it was just kind of like

582
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 3: we have the running joke like they'll rip your heart

583
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 3: out and show it to you, you know, like that's

584
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 3: kind of what the Mariners did they especially with the

585
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 3: roboss catch too, and then the Sunday Night Baseball I

586
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 3: went down, it was like the robust catch was crazy,

587
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 3: but then you you rip their heart out, show it

588
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 3: to you, and then you take a bite out of it,

589
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: and it's like that's kind of what it was. But

590
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 3: that that changes all again this year, like the circumstances

591
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 3: are serious, be different, and so it's like, I don't

592
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 3: know where it's at in terms of the overall hatred,

593
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 3: but there is a dislike. I think some of the

594
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: dislikes them from when Scott Service was the manager, him

595
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: and open him and Omar weren't sharing Christmas cards.

596
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 2: Oh they were not. Yeah, I will say I will

597
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 2: say Scott's Service getting out of the Mariner's dugout in

598
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: and of itself, lessened a lot of the maybe visceral hatred.

599
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: I don't know Scott personally, Ryan, I know you covered

600
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 2: him for a while. I don't know Scott personally, so

601
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to speak out of turn, but suffice

602
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: to say he was not within the Astros walls, within

603
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: the walls of the Astros clubouse, he was not the

604
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: most liked liked guy.

605
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 3: No. And he would make comments when we were in

606
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 3: Houston about how they did stuff, you know. And one

607
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: time Bregman like fouled off twelve pitches. I can't believe

608
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 3: he hit that slider, and serious just goes off the record.

609
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 3: He knew it was coming. They know what's coming every time.

610
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 3: You know, we don't know how they're doing it, but

611
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 3: we know that they're doing it, you know. It was

612
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: funny like, and when that all went down, they went

613
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 3: back to one outing where this poor kid chased the

614
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: young who was a former Dodger's pick, you know, and

615
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: he just got lit up. And it was right in

616
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 3: the peak of that. And this is a kid that

617
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 3: didn't grow very hard, so when they knew that his

618
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: breaking ball was coming, they just stayed off it and

619
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 3: they just lunched him. And I don't know that he

620
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: ever got back into the big leagues with the Mariners,

621
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 3: he made more big leagues, but they sent him down

622
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 3: and there was another kid like That's there were like

623
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: pitching coaches and stuff talking about that, like how they

624
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 3: crushed kids, you know, come up because they just I

625
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 3: mean honestly too, like it doesn't matter if you know

626
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 3: it's coming, you got to hit it.

627
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: Those guys were so good and they would just hit tanks.

628
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 4: So as somebody who gets to watch this team every day,

629
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 4: you pick up on little intricacies that you know, somebody

630
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 4: like me who's going to see them whenever they played

631
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: the Astros isn't gonna notice as much. Like you know,

632
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 4: there are certainly obviously super stars on the team, like

633
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 4: I know Hulu Orriguez is incredible, I know cal Raley

634
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 4: is very good. I know you know the big pictures,

635
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 4: those types of guys. But are there are there any

636
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 4: guys on the team that you would point to of

637
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 4: like this guy does something better than most other people,

638
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 4: but you know, maybe doesn't have the rest of the

639
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 4: tools in place, so you're not noticing it. But it's

640
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 4: special when he goes out and does this, like this

641
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 4: is a bad example because Korea is a superstar in

642
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 4: his own right. But my version of that would be,

643
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 4: like watch him throw a baseball. Korea's arm just looks

644
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 4: different than other people. Are there guys like that on

645
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 4: the Mariners where you're just like, this guy does something

646
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 4: special and you should make sure that you're watching.

647
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny, like they're kind of their platoon guys.

648
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: So like.

649
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: Tomkin Zone, the power has always been there and it

650
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: just was never so much swinging miss but he hits

651
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: homer's to the pull side that I' They're like, it's

652
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Speaker 3: just different and it's like they have so much backs

653
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Speaker 3: and they just take off and you know, it's it's

654
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Speaker 3: really different. He could be really big for them. And

655
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Speaker 3: then like Luke Rayley, who kind of a poor man's

656
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Speaker 3: hunterd pints. Nothing looks normal on what he does. You know,

657
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: two years ago hit twenty five homers and he can

658
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: bunt ninety five and push it down the line. He'll

659
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Speaker 3: steal bases, and he also will just stand in there

660
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Speaker 3: and wear ninety nine off his thigh to get on base.

661
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Speaker 3: It's like the most absurd thing I've ever seen. I

662
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Speaker 3: can't remember if it was a bray you. One year

663
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Speaker 3: it might have been a bray you. He took one

664
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Speaker 3: on purpose off of a bray you and it hit

665
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Speaker 3: him off the side of the kneecap and like he

666
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: didn't grimace and he didn't limp. But after the game,

667
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: was that that one he goes, I didn't know if

668
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: I was going to be able to keep running. I mean,

669
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Speaker 3: like something like that just kind of those those guys

670
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Speaker 3: are are pretty special. Like you know, I'm trying to

671
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Speaker 3: think who else, Like they don't have any well, obviously

672
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 3: anything Julio does is a wow factor, but other than that, yeah.

673
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Speaker 1: Those are those are pretty good.

674
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Speaker 3: Also, just like the entertainment of watching cal Rawley trying

675
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: to block pitches from Carlos Vargus who has no idea

676
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: where it's going. Like the other day he threw one

677
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 3: out of the field and onto the clase area warming

678
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: up and almost hit Adam Gid.

679
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: It was one of the funnier things I've ever seen.

680
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: So that's one of my entertaining things as well.

681
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Speaker 2: One of the another parallel I think between these two

682
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: teams is there's going to always be with both of

683
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: these teams, there's always going to be a what if

684
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: at probably their biggest playoff moment of this era. And

685
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: for the Ashers, it's Aj Hinch not opting not to

686
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: use Garrett Cole in Game seven of the twenty nineteen

687
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: World Series. Everyone knows how that went. For the Mariners,

688
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: it will be Dan Wilson not going to Andres Munos

689
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: for George Springer in Game seven of the Alcs demish.

690
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: You've had time to think about it. A couple of things. One,

691
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: have you gotten a satisfactory explanation as to why that happened?

692
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: And then I'm also curious has Andres Munna was reflected

693
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: on it? Like, as is he someone that is Like

694
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: maybe he'll probably never say it publicly, but where does

695
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: he stand in all this thinking that he maybe could

696
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: have gotten that out and who knows where that game

697
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: goes after that?

698
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he hasn't really said anything. I think he thought

699
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: he was gonna pitch. He was up and throwing.

700
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Speaker 3: So but he's always stood by Bizarro because Bizarretro was

701
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: so good that year. We never got a real great

702
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: answer other than they trusted him to get that get

703
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: that out because he did it before against Springer and

704
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: then you know they were so conscious of where if

705
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 3: Lad was and he was coming up, like it just

706
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: made everything different in that situation. But like you know,

707
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: Dan Dan letting Kerry Carpenter hit against George Kirby and

708
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: against in the in the Alds was pretty painful. I mean,

709
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Speaker 3: I'll give Dan credit on this. He didn't go to

710
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 3: Robbie Ray in the situation. I face Jordan Alvarez like

711
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: it was a real reliever, Like Bizarda was a real reliever.

712
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Speaker 1: Who's good.

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Speaker 3: In my mind, I still go to andresmun And I

714
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: think if they're in that situation in the postseason this year,

715
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: we'll see Andres Munos. But you know, they they just

716
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Speaker 3: I think they stuck to the trust and what they

717
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: had and the trust and what they've always done. But

718
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: the thing is what you've always done isn't the same

719
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Speaker 3: as the postseason. I think that's the one thing everybody

720
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: talks about what the players learned. I think Dan Wilson,

721
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: who's essentially a first year manager, learned a lot about

722
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: how different the playoffs is and how you manage the games.

723
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Speaker 3: How many Mariners are going to the WBC Davis seventeen

724
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Speaker 3: seventeen excuse me, seventeen players from the camp are going.

725
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Speaker 3: And that's with Matt Brash opting out and Jose Ferrara opting.

726
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Speaker 1: Out, and Logan Gilbert and Brian lou.

727
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Speaker 4: My gosh, that's ridiculous.

728
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like.

729
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Speaker 3: The Mariners are losing Bizardo, Munos and Gabe Spire there,

730
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Speaker 3: they're all their lepige guys other than Brash didn't do

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Speaker 3: but it was Julio Randy cal one of their prospects,

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Speaker 3: Michael o'reyol. Even guys like Dane Dunning do they sign

735
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Speaker 3: in Jonathan Diaz. They're all going. So it's like, I

736
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Speaker 3: don't know who's going to be pitching. We're gonna see

737
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Speaker 3: Katia Anderson on Saturday. Chandler prid of LS.

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Speaker 2: This is kind of a dumb question, but they went

773
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Speaker 2: to Game seven of the ALCS last year like that.

774
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Speaker 2: That is a that is unquestionably a successful season. And

775
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you're going to do the effectively Wild season

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Speaker 2: preview pod at some point in the next couple of

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Speaker 2: on the effectively Wild Ashers pod. Uh Asher's preview pod.

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Speaker 2: I you don't think of that will listen, but they'll

781
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Speaker 2: ask you, like, what is going to find success for

782
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 2: the Mariners this season? So I'm not going to steal

783
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: their question. But have they come into camp. Is this

784
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: world series or bust?

785
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh yeah, that's it's automatically World series or bust.

786
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Speaker 1: They have to get there.

787
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: They know they're one of the best teams in the

788
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 3: al I think they're on paper that are the best

789
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Speaker 3: team in the ALE because they don't have as many

790
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Speaker 3: question marks that they're starting pitching as everyone else.

791
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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's World Series. They have to go. They

792
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Speaker 1: have to go farther than they did before.

793
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Speaker 3: The problem is is you have to play a whole

794
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: regular season and around to the play the playoffs to

795
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: get there. So it's like, it's good to have that goal,

796
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: but I think they they've layered. You know, they want

797
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 3: to be good at home, they want to win the

798
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: division again. They like winning the division, and you know,

799
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: then let's get to the World Series because it's the

800
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: franchise has never been there and that's where they want

801
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 3: to be. I think when you're that close to what

802
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: it's eight outs away, that's that's the only goal.

803
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: What's weird they say it? It's weird they say it

804
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: because they never said it before.

805
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you see the Ashers have said that. For

806
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: the Ashers have kind of stopped saying that it was weird.

807
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: Lance mccullors last year, like that was kind of when

808
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 2: you kind of start tonw that maybe the window was

809
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: shrinking a little bit because Lance mccullor's last year like goes,

810
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: you know, usually when we come to spring training, it's

811
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Speaker 2: you know, we're ready for the World Series. Now, it's

812
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: maybe like let's get off to a good start and

813
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: let's see where we're at the All Star break and

814
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 2: so like the Ashers have even kind of tapered back

815
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: there kind of bullish mentality on that. But if if

816
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: there's one area, if I were to say, you know,

817
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: you said World Series or bus like it's it, But

818
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Speaker 2: what is going to be the one area of this

819
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: team that holds it back? Like what has to what

820
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 2: has to improve or what has to go right in

821
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: their one problem area for that to become a thing

822
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Speaker 2: for World Series to become a reality.

823
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Speaker 1: It's weird because it's always been their strength. But they're

824
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: starting pitching.

825
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: Last year, you know, he had Bryce Miller, George Kirby,

826
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 3: Logan Gilbert all missed extensive time month, Bryce miss three months.

827
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Speaker 1: They can't do that again.

828
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Speaker 3: They don't have a Logan Evans or they do have

829
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: Emerson Hancock, and they have the young kids. But you know,

830
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Speaker 3: to be able to do what they did last year

831
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Speaker 3: with those guys not pitching that much, I think that's

832
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Speaker 3: that would be detrimental because I just don't know that

833
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 3: you know, they have the depth to withstand that. Maybe

834
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Speaker 3: they do, but I just think when if they get

835
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Speaker 3: the starting pitching they have, it just makes their lives

836
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Speaker 3: so much easier.

837
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Speaker 1: You know. I think they're offensively, they're pretty good.

838
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: Their lineup's pretty good, but that you know, if Munnos

839
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: goes down, then they're in a lot of trouble.

840
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Speaker 2: As that's a good rotation.

841
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Speaker 4: Though, I don't want to hear complaints about that starting rotation,

842
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Speaker 4: that that top four five is as solid as it

843
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 4: gets in baseball.

844
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Speaker 2: I feel like we didn't even mention Logan Gilbert in

845
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Speaker 2: the thirty nine minutes we did this, and he's he's

846
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Speaker 2: maybe my Him and Brian Wu were probably my two

847
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Speaker 2: favorites to watch.

848
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Speaker 4: Aggie Legend, Bryce Miller, former Age, Right, how dare you?

849
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Speaker 2: How dare you?

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Speaker 1: Is that not a thing?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you can't say former Aggie. I think they

852
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Speaker 2: all get mad. No, I think they revoke like a ring.

853
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 2: And you can't sway if you say former Aggie.

854
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 4: So look, you're in a cult too. I'm tired of

855
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 4: hearing this nonsense from you.

856
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Speaker 2: This is what this is what you missed it as

857
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Speaker 2: you missed sec he missed, he missed a true sec

858
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 2: person talking and then like the guy that they had

859
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Speaker 2: to take in the league like ten years ago because

860
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: the money was too much to turn down. So yeah,

861
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: but anyway, Yeah, if Andres Munoz goes down, the Mariners

862
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 2: are not in a good place. Josh Hater is currently

863
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: down for the Ashers, which means the Ashers probably aren't

864
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Speaker 2: in a good place. But Hayter apparently threw off He

865
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Speaker 2: did not throw a bullpen, but he threw off of

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Speaker 2: He played catch off of the malm today in West

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Speaker 2: Palm Beach, which is a that's a step in the

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Speaker 2: right direction, I guess. But as we've talked about, it

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Speaker 2: does not appear like he'll be ready for the opening

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Speaker 2: in Seattle in the first week of April is to

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Speaker 2: be seen. But if he is, uh, the Ashles will

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Speaker 2: be in good shape. But I'll be there regardless, Ryan

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Speaker 2: will be there regardless. Divish just was awesome. We really

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Speaker 2: appreciate you taking some time in spring training. We kept

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Speaker 2: you longer than I thought we would, but it was good.

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Speaker 2: It was good conversation. All right, thank you, all right,

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Speaker 2: what you got?

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Speaker 1: I'm good.

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Speaker 2: I thought you're gonna saying he's like, I'm Bacon here

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Speaker 2: in the sun.

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Speaker 1: I got to get to the game.

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Speaker 2: So okay. Well, you can follow me on Exit Chandler

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Speaker 2: Underscore Room. You can follow Tyler at Tyler she Stafford.

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Speaker 2: You can find Divish what's your Twitter handle?

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Speaker 1: At Ryan Davis.

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Speaker 2: You follow Divish at Ryan Divish. Please rate and review

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Speaker 2: Please subscribe to the channel that would really help help

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Speaker 2: us out. We will be back later this week for

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Speaker 2: more astra's coverage. We hope you enjoyed this and until

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Speaker 2: next time, thank you for listening.

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Speaker 4: Bye.