WEBVTT - The Big Montgomery Alabama Boat Fight

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to it could happen here a podcast that

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<v Speaker 1>is being recorded far too early in the morning with

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<v Speaker 1>me to help me stay conscious. Is my friend and

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<v Speaker 1>coffee entrepreneur prop Aksa, Jason Petty Prop. How are you doing,

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<v Speaker 1>buddy man?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wonderful on this fine day. I almost did an

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<v Speaker 2>AKA song forgetting which show I was. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh wait, that's a zeigeys bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Happens to me all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so which bit for which show am I supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to do?

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<v Speaker 3>Right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what we were talking about before the show, which

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<v Speaker 1>is that we're both exhausted despite sleeping normally this week.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this may be something to do with

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<v Speaker 1>these aliens. Everybody's talking about something's going on here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, aliens or just this like kind of week

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<v Speaker 2>long sort of holiday festival. I've been a part of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently all of Black America has been participating in.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all experiencing a level of bliss I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>we've had in a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>That is that is our subject of today, which is uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the term generally being used for it is

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<v Speaker 1>the Montgomery riverboat brawl that seems to be what we've

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<v Speaker 1>all settled on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the fade in the water. I mean there's

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<v Speaker 2>new there's new spirituals and hymns.

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<v Speaker 3>The Ballad of Black Aquaman. Yes, I love that kid.

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<v Speaker 1>But we should before we get into all this, we

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<v Speaker 1>should talk about what actually happened, because I'm gonna guess, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's at least a chunk of people listening who are like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck are you guys talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>The short of it is.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of days ago, video dropped two different clips

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<v Speaker 1>I think are mainly what's what people are watching? Of

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<v Speaker 1>a fight at a riverboat dock in Montgomery, Alabama. And

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<v Speaker 1>basically what happens is you had this this river boat

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<v Speaker 1>and it's you know, Montgomery, Alabama's got a lot of tourism.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of these big boats.

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<v Speaker 1>It holds about two hundred and seventy people, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>takes them up and down the river. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>go up and down the river, you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>pretty things. I assume there's there's beer or something. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all sorts of cities do this. So this boat

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<v Speaker 1>is heading back into dock and they've got all these

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<v Speaker 1>people who want to get off the boat. Because they've

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<v Speaker 1>been on for a while and.

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<v Speaker 2>They have enough people to get back in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people to get the next one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know they have a set

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<v Speaker 1>spot that is their spot, and no one else is

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<v Speaker 1>to park their boat at the dock, as is usual

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<v Speaker 1>for a large business like this, and some dudes with

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<v Speaker 1>a pontoon boat have taken it up.

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<v Speaker 3>They've parked there.

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<v Speaker 1>So the captain gets on the pa for quite a

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<v Speaker 1>while and is like, hey, guys, move your pontoon. Hey guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to get that pontoon out of here. Hey, y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't get that pontoon out of here, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to call the cops. And if you have open containers,

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<v Speaker 1>the cops are going to fuck you. You don't want that,

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<v Speaker 1>so why don't you just move? And these guys get

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<v Speaker 1>like shitty at him and start like yelling at him

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<v Speaker 1>and cursing at him, flipping him the bird, So he

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<v Speaker 1>sends over his co captain and the captain of the

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<v Speaker 1>boat from the videos of scene appears to be a

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<v Speaker 1>white dude. The co captain is a middle aged black man.

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<v Speaker 1>He gets off the boat and he goes over to

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<v Speaker 1>just like move the pontoon boat, right, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>thing that boat people do when situations like this occur.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not like an unheard of situation. And while

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing it all, a whole bunch of the presumably

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<v Speaker 1>the dudes who own this pontoon boat boat who are

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<v Speaker 1>all white, surround him and start attacking him. And at

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<v Speaker 1>one point that looks like five or six people trying

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<v Speaker 1>to and he's for the record, he's holding his own

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<v Speaker 1>He's doing easy as long as you can. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>then a number of nearby people start running to his aid,

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<v Speaker 1>including at least one of the kids on the riverboat.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh hops out or like pops into the water, and like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you were talking about the rest of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, there's a hood politics episode we recorded where

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<v Speaker 2>I try to do like initial reactions and try to

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<v Speaker 2>add some some like color to this, which will come

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<v Speaker 2>out a little later. This will come out before that,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's Yeah, So you're watching the video, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>it's all inaudible, so you can't really hear except for

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<v Speaker 2>the people recording. You hear them talking to them talking, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But judging from there's so many context clues to understand

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening, right, so as the co captain, the black

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<v Speaker 2>dude's getting off the boat to come talk to these

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<v Speaker 2>white boys right the way that you can just you

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<v Speaker 2>know when someone's like and unfortunately for white people, y'all

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<v Speaker 2>can't when you're drunk. Just your skin shows it, Yo,

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<v Speaker 2>saying like yea, so you could just see, Okay, this

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<v Speaker 2>dude's like, your skin's very flush with color right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're you're clearly drunk, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's hot as hell because it's Montgomery, Alabama, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's also Montgomery, Alabama. So you just from seeing the

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<v Speaker 2>interaction and the body language of both people in this conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, Okay, this conversation is getting intense. And then

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<v Speaker 2>and then once once the uh the the white gentleman

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<v Speaker 2>decides he's gonna put hands on on his black dude,

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<v Speaker 2>the black dude throws his hat up into the air.

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<v Speaker 3>He shared do es he shares us.

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<v Speaker 2>As a universe. Now, Robert, is that not a universal

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<v Speaker 2>bating signal?

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<v Speaker 1>I would go so far as to say, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's damn near like a mortal combat opener, right, like

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<v Speaker 1>say it is universal?

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<v Speaker 2>Its hair? Yes, it's like all right, we got to

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<v Speaker 2>throw hands right, so good, it's so good. So at

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<v Speaker 2>that point, that's when like clearly, like clearly, either these

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<v Speaker 2>white boys are are very very inebriated or have grossly

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<v Speaker 2>underestimated the feeling of collective identity black people have, because

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<v Speaker 2>when they decided to jump this man, you're in front

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<v Speaker 2>of hundreds of black people, oh yeah, who are all

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<v Speaker 2>waiting in line to get on this boat, right, who

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<v Speaker 2>are already pissed at you because you're not moving right.

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<v Speaker 2>So so when he does that, as you can see,

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<v Speaker 2>there are people running, you know, black men running as

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<v Speaker 2>fast as they can to kind of help you know this, uh, this,

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<v Speaker 2>this co captain who by this point is being stomped

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<v Speaker 2>because he's he's overpowered by five people. And then you

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<v Speaker 2>see this young man swimming to the shore, which is

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<v Speaker 2>like he's a yeah, I mean, that guy's a national treasure.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know that guy, but I can tell

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<v Speaker 1>that we can tell a couple of things about him.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them is that he reacts quickly in a crisis, yes, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other is that pretty good swimmer and.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he must be a teenager because gonna have the

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<v Speaker 2>energy to swim there and then still start doing work.

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<v Speaker 1>Well and then pull yourself up onto a dock when yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>clothing's all soaked, very impressive feet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So anyway, so as that happens, people finally catch up.

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<v Speaker 2>The boat finally gets a chance to dock. Now these

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<v Speaker 2>other people who were on the boat and watched all

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<v Speaker 2>this happen are like, now it's our turn. So they

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<v Speaker 2>get off the boat, go to the pontoon. Shirts off again,

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<v Speaker 2>another universal signal. If I've taken my T shirt off,

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<v Speaker 2>we're we're here, We're gonna throw down. So they start

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<v Speaker 2>throwing down. I mean, it's women getting involved. And then

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<v Speaker 2>now now now it becomes this entire brawl, right so,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you've ever been in situations where brawls break out,

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of move and shift as different people decide

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<v Speaker 2>they want a part of it, and other people get tired,

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<v Speaker 2>and somebody's finally you know' his nosebleeding whatever. And while

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<v Speaker 2>this is happening, there's a few clips where you can

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<v Speaker 2>see whether they're secure, the officers or police, they're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of just watching, kind of like, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>we need to do anything about this just yet. Now

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<v Speaker 2>finally the brawl gets around the corner and a brave

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<v Speaker 2>old man, old head who sees his opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, who is who has brought? Who has brought that?

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<v Speaker 1>He's got the soul of a sniper. This man is

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<v Speaker 1>like watching and waiting to act.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, so at this point, uh, there are some

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<v Speaker 2>security officers involved who have finally been like, all right, man,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we just maybe we should stop this. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like again you can't hear it, but judging by

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<v Speaker 2>their body language, the cops are kind of like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, man, and white boys kind of asked for it,

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<v Speaker 2>like and you don't say so, they just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>watch it like, hey man, you ask for it, man,

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<v Speaker 2>And this is what happens. You should have moved your boat,

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<v Speaker 2>should have been talking ship like like like Kat Williams says,

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't have been talking shit, you know. So so anyway

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<v Speaker 2>they do this and this this hero of a man

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<v Speaker 2>grabs a white folding chair and just whacks a dude

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<v Speaker 2>over the head with it who was attempting to attack

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<v Speaker 2>some other people. Now, clearly again, if you've been in

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<v Speaker 2>a brawl, maybe adding color that's not on the video,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, if you've been in a brawl, you understand,

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<v Speaker 2>at some point you kind of black out and you

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<v Speaker 2>just you just get punched drunk. So while he's hitting

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<v Speaker 2>a guy with a folding chair, there's this other white

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<v Speaker 2>lady who's attempting to intervene with an interaction that one

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<v Speaker 2>of the security or cop guys is having with turns

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<v Speaker 2>out which with probably one of her compadres.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is, by the way, a mixed gender brawl.

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's like, yeah, this is not not just dudes

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<v Speaker 1>throwing hands.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, y this yeah, it's it's it's it's girls on girls,

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<v Speaker 2>it's girls on dudes. It's dudes on girls. It's a brawl,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So the officer, like officers do when you

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<v Speaker 2>try to intervene with them having interactions with with somebody

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<v Speaker 2>pushes the lady away. Now, now the lady's in river

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<v Speaker 2>broke crocs, right, so her feet just fall right through

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<v Speaker 2>the crocs, right. She gets pushed down and just happens

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<v Speaker 2>to be in the eyesight of this of this sixty

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<v Speaker 2>old man with a folded chair. And while she's down,

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<v Speaker 2>he just turns and just whax her over the head

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<v Speaker 2>with this chair.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh he sure does. He gives you the w W

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<v Speaker 1>E special, I mean, just New World Order suck.

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<v Speaker 2>It just smacks her with a folding chair, and at

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<v Speaker 2>that point, you it's almost like and again it's all

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<v Speaker 2>in audible, but you just see the officers go like, shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, yep, now we got to do something.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we got like fuck man, now we got to

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<v Speaker 2>arrest you, dude. Right. So yeah, so the cops finally

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<v Speaker 2>go like what the fuck man, They take the chair

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<v Speaker 2>from the guy, and the dude his body language is

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<v Speaker 2>so like like he doesn't even know what's happening, like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just swinging, you know. So when the officer finally

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<v Speaker 2>takes the chair and they like, they're like, dude, you

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<v Speaker 2>hit the lady. You hit the lady, you hit the lady.

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<v Speaker 2>We got we yeah, we gotta do something. We got

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<v Speaker 2>to arrest you now, right And which, of course, the

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<v Speaker 2>internet watching it, and even the person holding even the

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<v Speaker 2>person shooting the video, we all like, oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Nah, but he's definitely going to jail.

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<v Speaker 2>That guy going to jail. Everybody else yeah might be fine,

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to jail. Yeah, And uh, and that's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much where where the video stops.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it has, uh, it has obviously gone everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>since then, there's a lot of writing about like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>why this has like taken off uh so much and

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<v Speaker 1>and uh been seen us so inspirational to people. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's because it seems we've all seen like too

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<v Speaker 1>many videos that are just kind of the first part

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<v Speaker 1>of this where like, yeah, there's like a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>racist white pean and by the way, there's at least

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<v Speaker 1>you can't hear it on the video, but people have

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<v Speaker 1>said that like these folks when that co captain came down,

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<v Speaker 1>were like shouting the inward adhaim and stuff. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>we've all seen the variants of this that are just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>some black men or black woman getting abused by a

0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:33.319
<v Speaker 1>bunch of racists, and this one starts looking like that

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<v Speaker 1>and then turns into like a beautiful come uppance, Like

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<v Speaker 1>these people picked a fight against a man they thought

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<v Speaker 1>was like alone and kind of heavy set and older

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<v Speaker 1>and that they could like wail on and just wound

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<v Speaker 1>up getting absolutely housed. Based on at least what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking at here, looks like three of the white folks

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<v Speaker 1>involved in this have been charged with crime. The police

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<v Speaker 1>are talking to the chair guy. It's unclear yet like

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<v Speaker 1>what exactly charges he's gonna catch.

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<v Speaker 2>He was on a he was on a radio show,

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<v Speaker 2>a morning show in Alabama, whare with just Uh, sort

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<v Speaker 2>of an internet personality that like in the black community,

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<v Speaker 2>we're all very familiar with. And so they asked her.

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<v Speaker 2>They asked him like, the lady asked him like okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you had the chair and the lady was already down,

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<v Speaker 2>like what what what happened? He said, It feels like

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<v Speaker 2>it's like we wrote the script where he goes man

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<v Speaker 2>I blacked out, and he said, I just thought about

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<v Speaker 2>Rosa Parks and that lady that wouldn't give the seat

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<v Speaker 2>to her. I was like, I'll give her a chair.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, fights are ugly things, but also in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways beautiful things. It's a there's a lot going

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<v Speaker 1>on in this video. I'm not surprised that it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>been taken by so many people. There's some lessons I

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<v Speaker 1>think bystanders can take from this. From one thing, if

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<v Speaker 1>like fifty people are having a giant brawl, might want

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<v Speaker 1>to get out of there.

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<v Speaker 2>Just leave, Yeah, just bounce. You should know to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, not a good thing to get in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of. But second, if you're parked in someone else's

0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.840
<v Speaker 1>boat spot, maybe instead of shouting racial slurs, get your

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<v Speaker 1>fucking boat moved.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not. It was like, yeah, I think what it's

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<v Speaker 2>It speaks to so much because this was such an

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<v Speaker 2>avoidable situation, you guess, is completely avoidable, bro, just slide

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<v Speaker 2>over a little bit. I feel like if you've like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you've driven a car on a highway, then you've

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<v Speaker 2>seen a semi truck. And when the semi truck just

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<v Speaker 2>get out his what like, why is you picking this fight? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Just he can't. It's a big old at wheelerd. Just

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<v Speaker 2>this is courtesy. That's a bigger So I'm just saying, like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a bigger boat than you. You're more nimble, you

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<v Speaker 2>can move, and clearly it's a line of people waiting

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<v Speaker 2>to get off. I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one of the things I think that's involved here

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting to me is that there's this This is

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<v Speaker 1>not just I mean, like, obviously the fact that these

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<v Speaker 1>guys were biggots is a factor here, but there's also

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<v Speaker 1>just this increasingly common freedom that the most selfish people

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<v Speaker 1>in our society feel to be like aggressive about the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that they don't owe anyone else, like basic like politeness, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like the very basic. Though two hundred and seventy people

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<v Speaker 1>are being inconvenienced because I parked by shit in the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong space.

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<v Speaker 3>I should bounce, you know, I should probably at least say,

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<v Speaker 3>oh sorry, I fucked up.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, like no, we're gonna make this a thing

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<v Speaker 1>because like we get to park wherever the fuck we

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<v Speaker 1>want and fuck you like that. That kind of attitude

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<v Speaker 1>is like it's so frustrating, like I can't even get

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<v Speaker 1>myself into the head of someone who would do what

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<v Speaker 1>these guys did and not like feel like they were

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<v Speaker 1>an asshole. Like I had to do the thing every

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<v Speaker 1>now and then I think most of us do where

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<v Speaker 1>like I park my car in like a a like

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<v Speaker 1>a red zone or something because it's like I got

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<v Speaker 1>to be It's like there's no spaces. I'm thirty students, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And you get out and someone seeing you like in

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<v Speaker 1>the fucking red and they're like, yes, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>I know will at one point, man, I'm sorry, Like yeah, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry, bro, I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Look I'm gone, I'm gone, my bad, Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>And to have the the fucking HUTSBA to just like

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<v Speaker 1>look at a boat of two hundred and seventy people

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<v Speaker 1>be like, fuck all of you, Like I want to

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<v Speaker 1>keep my stupid ass bart doing here for some reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then the willingness to be like, what the

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<v Speaker 2>fuck you're gonna do about it? Well, we'll jump you

0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.800
<v Speaker 2>if you get that mad, and just and whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>whether you're adding to either the lack of like situational

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<v Speaker 2>awareness or just that that overall hutzvah like you said

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<v Speaker 2>of just like whatever, I'll take all of you, like

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<v Speaker 2>really you really really like Yeah, I think that there's

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<v Speaker 2>a there's a lot to color here too, with the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that, first of all, this is take where it's

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<v Speaker 2>taking place. I mean we're still in Montgomery, Alabama here

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<v Speaker 2>and which and on a dock that was obviously and

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<v Speaker 2>verifiably a dock where slaves were dropped off at you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. So you have that history, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you have the history of the Montgomery bus boycotts. You

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying, Like, this is this is the

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<v Speaker 2>city where Rosa Parks did the thing. You know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, Like, this is where it happens. There's so

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<v Speaker 2>much history in the city and on top of that,

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<v Speaker 2>like I mean there's high schools in Alabama named Robert E. Lee,

0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.480
<v Speaker 2>like Robert E. Lee High School, Like we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about a place that I mean what it

0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.879
<v Speaker 2>was in the news in the odds that, Like I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a high school that just desegregated, like in

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<v Speaker 2>the year twenty something.

0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Like they got there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, they just desegregated high school. Right. It made

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<v Speaker 2>the news in twenty ten because they finally had a

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<v Speaker 2>desegregated prom. But that was just the prom. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>just that the prom white school invited the black They

0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.320
<v Speaker 2>can't go to school together. They could just do a

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<v Speaker 2>dance with this. This is where. This is the state

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<v Speaker 2>that this happened in. So you're like, you're in this

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<v Speaker 2>like and I hate to like otherise them, but I'm

0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.600
<v Speaker 2>an otherise them in the sense that this is some

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<v Speaker 2>like multiverse bizarro world where you what desegregation is recent,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. So when you have that

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<v Speaker 2>type of thing, first of all, you have to have

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<v Speaker 2>you have to remember, like both of those things are

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in sort of the collective consciousness of that community,

0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:21.000
<v Speaker 2>whether especially for the black people who are like this,

0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.080
<v Speaker 2>this is the world we live in. But we've also

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<v Speaker 2>proven that if you push us far enough, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, like, we're not gonna stand for it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we pick up a folded chair, We'll pick

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<v Speaker 4>up a folding chair, which has become something of a

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<v Speaker 4>symbol in the last new open carry Yeah. I saw

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<v Speaker 4>at least one TikTok video that was just it was like,

0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.720
<v Speaker 4>there's like a couple of people watching as this young

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<v Speaker 4>black guy in a Walmart like was holding up and

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<v Speaker 4>like testing it like the way that you would like

0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:50.959
<v Speaker 4>a gun at the gun store.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, yeah, man, the memes have been glorious. I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen folding chair earrings, I've seen dot but the one

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<v Speaker 2>is this that I said, uh, I said Robert a

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<v Speaker 2>video of the folding chair getting interviewed. Yeah. Oh, he's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the first of all. That's one of the

0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:13.600
<v Speaker 2>funniest accounts you could ever follow. But he was just

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<v Speaker 2>like you, I was just sitting there and then we

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<v Speaker 2>started doing charity work.

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<v Speaker 3>And which account is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, Ace Vance a ce b A n CE.

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<v Speaker 2>He does just the most incredible voiceovers. Yeah, with the

0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.199
<v Speaker 2>chair was just like, who's heading out charities. I was

0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:35.639
<v Speaker 2>doing charity work, yes, freely given ass whoopings like have

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<v Speaker 2>a seat, might step up, have a seat anyway, So good.

0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.959
<v Speaker 2>But I I I think that that like is important.

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<v Speaker 2>I think another thing that I think is interesting specifically

0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:55.959
<v Speaker 2>for like that it can happen here audience, which I

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<v Speaker 2>one thing I love about the show is like you

0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.760
<v Speaker 2>give y'all give so much his oracle context to whatever

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<v Speaker 2>we're looking at. You know what I'm saying, as as

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<v Speaker 2>almost like proof of concept that not only can it

0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:08.359
<v Speaker 2>happen here, it is happening here, you know what I'm saying.

0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:16.159
<v Speaker 2>And I think for this one, there was this interesting moment.

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<v Speaker 2>This is another good follow for you guys. Got named consciously.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is the Conscious Lee. He was like like

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<v Speaker 2>world renown like debater, a master debater. I'm just kidding, uh,

0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:34.639
<v Speaker 2>but he was a world renowned debater. He was one

0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:37.359
<v Speaker 2>of the first like like him and his partner was

0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:40.840
<v Speaker 2>like the first black like co champions in like professional

0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:44.400
<v Speaker 2>debate or college level debate anyway. So he's a brilliant,

0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:48.160
<v Speaker 2>brilliant thinker. He's like you know, YouTube, earthy year styles whatever,

0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.840
<v Speaker 2>right anyway, content creator anyway, he brought up this this

0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:57.439
<v Speaker 2>point among sort of the the black community that what

0:21:57.640 --> 0:21:59.880
<v Speaker 2>came out of this too was this hashtag of like, yo,

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<v Speaker 2>we are not our ancestors, you know which, as I

0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:13.600
<v Speaker 2>understand the sentiment, it also shows sort of a lack

0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:19.040
<v Speaker 2>of historical knowledge of like really how our ancestors handled slavery.

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<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, like the amount of resistance.

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<v Speaker 2>The amount of resistance we actually had, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. And and even just like I would even

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<v Speaker 2>courage just like a simple Google search of the amount

0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:31.400
<v Speaker 2>of rebellions, you know, you just whether you're talking about

0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:34.800
<v Speaker 2>the famous ones like the Haitian rebellion, which we did

0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:36.680
<v Speaker 2>a bastard's pot about. You know what I'm saying, We're

0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:40.600
<v Speaker 2>like these fool these fools threw off their their oppressors.

0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:46.000
<v Speaker 2>You have Nah Turner, you know what I'm saying, which

0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:48.720
<v Speaker 2>I talk about more on on on the politics. But

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<v Speaker 2>like I my seventh grade like historical figure report was

0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:57.320
<v Speaker 2>on that Turner and I was busted like a suburban

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<v Speaker 2>like middle school for a little bit. So I'm walking

0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:05.040
<v Speaker 2>into the suburban middle school with my NAT Turner paper.

0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:08.560
<v Speaker 2>My poor English teacher she hadn't been thinking, oh what

0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:11.600
<v Speaker 2>she was thinking but anyway, Yeah, you know what I'm saying,

0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:14.640
<v Speaker 2>you have like there was one, there was there were

0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:16.440
<v Speaker 2>one in New York. There was the one during the

0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Thirteen Colonies. Like we have such a history of like

0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:23.560
<v Speaker 2>rebellion and resistance, Like don't think not to mention slave

0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:26.159
<v Speaker 2>ships that were overtaken, you know what I'm saying by

0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:28.119
<v Speaker 2>their captors, Like you know what I'm saying, So like

0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:31.720
<v Speaker 2>these things have there is a rich history of us

0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:35.000
<v Speaker 2>of us rebelling, so like it's almost a point a

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<v Speaker 2>point of lesson, a point of learning for the black

0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:37.920
<v Speaker 2>community too.

0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:40.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's like a really useful teachable moment.

0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.439
<v Speaker 1>While everyone's kind of amped up about this thing to

0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:51.840
<v Speaker 1>talk about it. I've heard it described as like left

0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:54.640
<v Speaker 1>handed power, uh, kind of in some books that would

0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:56.760
<v Speaker 1>talk about not just you know what we've been chatting about,

0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:58.800
<v Speaker 1>what you are these kind of big moments of insurrection

0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:02.520
<v Speaker 1>among enslaved people, but like the everyday acts of resistance

0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 1>by people who were enslaved, like while they are you know,

0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:09.400
<v Speaker 1>on the plantation stuff, different ways of like pulling autonomy

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:12.240
<v Speaker 1>of like you know, teaching their kids how to read

0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:15.679
<v Speaker 1>or you know, taking you know, getting things like money

0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:18.800
<v Speaker 1>or extra resources, you know, out of the out of

0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:22.520
<v Speaker 1>the people who are attempting to uh yeah, to own them,

0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:26.040
<v Speaker 1>like methods of escape and resistance, you know, all these

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:31.159
<v Speaker 1>methods of like preserving traditional art and religion while you know,

0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:33.960
<v Speaker 1>in chains, like all that kind of stuff is also.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I hope it.

0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:36.800
<v Speaker 1>I hope it like spurs some of that, you know,

0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:39.920
<v Speaker 1>the the folding chair can be added to a rich

0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:42.520
<v Speaker 1>history of resistance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, and uh yeah, I'm also curious around like

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 2>obviously you and I on this on that are currently

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<v Speaker 2>being recorded, plus a lot of the community that that

0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 2>both of us represent, Like, yeah, we're not pacifists like

0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:11.040
<v Speaker 2>you at all, you know what I'm saying. And I

0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 2>find that discourse to be interesting too, and especially around

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:18.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, if you're you're and I'm like, you know,

0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 2>neither is the broader racist community like y'are not pacifist either.

0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Like you ask for the smoke, you got the smoke. Yeah,

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Like what is more American than this?

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:49.080
<v Speaker 1>It's I think a more optimistic chapter, especially like as

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:52.239
<v Speaker 1>we head into twenty twenty four, as we deal with

0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 1>like kind of these continuing efforts to disenfranchise particularly black

0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:02.639
<v Speaker 1>voters across large chunks of the South. I'm glad that

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:06.919
<v Speaker 1>we've got this, uh what will hopefully continue to be

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:12.719
<v Speaker 1>a powerful image for people to kind of rally behind.

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:14.840
<v Speaker 1>This is a this is a nice thing to have.

0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 1>It's a I don't know, and it's interesting, like people,

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:21.159
<v Speaker 1>things are said in a video like this that is

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 1>just kind of like chaotic brawling, but it speaks to

0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:27.480
<v Speaker 1>people in a way that you know, a history textbook,

0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:31.080
<v Speaker 1>uh maybe isn't going to reach them, because there's just

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 1>something so kinetic and powerful about like watching watching a

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:39.000
<v Speaker 1>large group of people realize that an injustice is going

0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:41.440
<v Speaker 1>down and then be like, well, I guess we've got

0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 1>to throw throw hands to stop this shit.

0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:45.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a microcosm of like a century and a

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 1>half or so of or a couple of centuries of history.

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Whether it's yeah, whether it's a absolutely the couple of

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:58.600
<v Speaker 2>centuries of history. And then you're like at at least

0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:07.119
<v Speaker 2>ten years of witnessing, you know, black bodies being brutalized

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:10.360
<v Speaker 2>when no one, when no one was there to help,

0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:11.399
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean.

0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:13.680
<v Speaker 3>Just seeing the video just watch.

0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and and then seeing no recourse like okay, well

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:21.160
<v Speaker 2>there's well there's never. I mean, are we gonna wait

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.480
<v Speaker 2>for the justice system? You know, the best thing we've

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 2>gotten so far is like no no knock warrants. I mean, thanks,

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, at a

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:35.159
<v Speaker 2>state you know, like so so and a lot of

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:37.520
<v Speaker 2>promises of police reform, you know what I'm saying. So

0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:42.159
<v Speaker 2>you just you don't. I mean, like during Trump's presidency,

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 2>there was I mean, there was an uptick in lynching,

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Like you know what I'm saying, Like these fools are

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 2>getting old school, you know. So it is without hearing

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 2>any video, without knowing anything, that those men were actually saying,

0:27:57.960 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 2>whether they were just running the mill pricks or just

0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:04.679
<v Speaker 2>ra pricks, whatever it was, it is a Again, if

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:09.919
<v Speaker 2>you're a if you're a black person in Alabama, it

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:17.400
<v Speaker 2>is completely reasonable to believe that if we wasn't there

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:19.719
<v Speaker 2>to help, that man would have been on the bottom

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:22.680
<v Speaker 2>of that river. Yeah, that man would have been strung

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:24.159
<v Speaker 2>up in a tree in the woods and we'd never

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 2>seen him again.

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:26.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean just the the the sheer like rapidity with

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 1>which he was surrounded and put on the ground by

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:37.400
<v Speaker 1>a large number of men did not suggest that they

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 1>were that the uh that the additional dudes who had

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:42.480
<v Speaker 1>arrived to wail on him were in a mood to

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:44.200
<v Speaker 1>like de escalate the situation.

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and that's like I mean, I feel like

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:53.960
<v Speaker 2>that's like a reality that uh you know, you this

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 2>it's almost like for the rest of the country, it's

0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:01.440
<v Speaker 2>like this if you understand, like this is the reality

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 2>we need you to understand when we say I could die,

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:07.320
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, Like when you talk about

0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 2>racism and not thing, it's just some people are stupid.

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 2>There's fucking bigots everywhere. Like no, when we say it's

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 2>life or death, like you're that's what you're witnessing, Like

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 2>he could have died that moment, you know what I'm saying.

0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 2>And I think at a at a and whether it's

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 2>front of mine or back of mine, that is something

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 2>that as a person of color, like you just kind

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 2>of know that like this, this would this if it

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 2>would have just been a fight, you know what I'm saying.

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Then I think if it was just just been a brawl,

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 2>like most people would have just stayed out of it,

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Like if them to just if.

0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 1>They just prescribe the guys swinging on each other smart play.

0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:43.560
<v Speaker 1>If it's just two guys swinging on each other.

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Just yeah, you take your phone on, you watch You're

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 2>just like, all right, man, hey, get your licks in.

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, you cheer for your boy. But like, but

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 2>when somebody jumps in, it's like, Okay, I'm gonna help

0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 2>the homie. But you jump in helping the homie in Montgomery, Alabama.

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.800
<v Speaker 2>But it's like, all right, yeah this he might die,

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 2>so we don't. It's different.

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:09.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, anything else to get to on this?

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Man? I think I might be I think one more thing,

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 2>I think to add color to this, and I might

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 2>be like aggrandizing, but I think it's also important because

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 2>what I'm what I'm really interested in is just the collective,

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 2>cathartic sort of feeling this has had. Is because there's

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 2>so much built up tension. You have to talk about

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:44.240
<v Speaker 2>the Florida of it all, you know what I'm saying,

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 2>and being aware of the idea that like you're right

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 2>in front of our face, like you're trying to erase history,

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. Like, And and I just

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:05.600
<v Speaker 2>five minutes ago watched that prager you video for kids

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 2>about about Christopher Columbus and slavery, and it was just like, well,

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, and this is approved, approved, approved content for children,

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Like well, you know, at least we didn't kill them, yeah,

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, And like, well, you know,

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 2>you know in Europe, we don't we draw the line

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 2>at like cannibalism and these people that weird enslaving like

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.000
<v Speaker 2>they practice it, you know. So I guess it's kind

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:37.120
<v Speaker 2>of you know, maybe slavery's not bad and slavery, I

0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 2>mean it's all over the world. They've always had slavery,

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, So like they learned useful skills. Yeah,

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, okay, so the skills in Africa,

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Like so you're trying to tell me this this civilation's

0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.640
<v Speaker 2>civilization that is the bedrock of civilizations where all the

0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 2>humanity come from. You know what I'm saying, We didn't

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 2>know how to do nothing right.

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know, like if you're yeah, it's it's

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 1>it's so frustrating because it's it's what you could. I

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 1>think they're trying to like draw a line between I

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know. The way slavery was often practiced in like

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 1>the Mediterranean, where there was a lot of manumission people

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 1>were often freed, and when they were freed, there was

0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 1>not like ongoing stigma against having been a former slave.

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 1>With like a racial slavery system in the Americas that

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 1>was completely different, where manumission very rarely happened, and when

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 1>it did, you were still subject to heinous restrictions on

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:35.120
<v Speaker 1>your personal liberty. Like it's just not a comparison.

0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, trying to use the lack of awareness of just

0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 2>even the term slavery and what you mean by that,

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, using it to your advantage.

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, anyone you know who's read a book

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 2>or two can be like, ah, what you did was different,

0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying you and you know and

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 2>you know it. You know it's different, you know what

0:32:55.880 --> 0:33:02.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. Yeah, like serfdom, you know, involuntary servitude, debt, slavery.

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Any whenever, if there was ever two tribes and a

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 2>tribe got raided by another one, there was slavery, Like

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 2>I know, like that it exists since the dawn of time.

0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Not what you talking about though, you know what I'm

0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 2>saying you and you know it. You know, so you're

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 2>playing on that. So I just think, like collectively us

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 2>just like keep hearing this shit and keep having to like,

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, keep your cool and try to fight it

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 2>in the ballots and just and just the the just

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 2>the mind fuck of like these folks, y'all, really you're

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 2>gonna you're gonna vote for a dude that's out on bail,

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 2>that's a felon like this Sniggs face in seventy years

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 2>and y'all really finna, y'all really finna you really trying

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:00.960
<v Speaker 2>to put this man in office again? Like just it's

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 2>such a mind fuck that you're like, man, I just

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 2>need to hit I just need to hit a white

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 2>lady with a chair, Like I don't. I just I'm

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 2>just gonna hit a white lady to the chair.

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:11.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah.

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:15.359
<v Speaker 2>And we you know something I've I've brought up many

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 2>times on the politics is understanding sort of like the

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 2>collective sort of Black American psyche is we just processed

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 2>trauma through humor, like we when we make a joke

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:31.120
<v Speaker 2>out of everything, and it's really so we're just not

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 2>like pushing random white people in the moving traffic, you know,

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:39.279
<v Speaker 2>just because if not, you'd being like what's his name?

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 2>James Baldwin says that he was like, to be black

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 2>in America is to I'm butchering the quote, but to

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:51.360
<v Speaker 2>be constantly under the surface at a rage level that

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:54.440
<v Speaker 2>you're constantly trying to push down, you know what I'm saying.

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 2>So I feel like the humor, why why we got

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:03.080
<v Speaker 2>so many about like nah, chare chair homie going to jail,

0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:04.880
<v Speaker 2>like here go your bail money? But that it was

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:07.719
<v Speaker 2>amazing because like you just good job, you know, I'm saying,

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 2>an aquaman coming out the water, Like why why we

0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:13.640
<v Speaker 2>make jokes about it? Is like well, yeah, I mean

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 2>this is it's funny and if not, we'd be enraged

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 2>all the time.

0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:27.120
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, well, prop amen, I do feel like this

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:28.799
<v Speaker 1>is a good lead in for the fact that we

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 1>are we are actively well preparing to do our Robert E.

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>Lee episodes, which have taken a lot of reading. But

0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 1>I think you're gonna enjoy.

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 2>I can't wait. Yeah, because again I just like I'm

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:44.759
<v Speaker 2>already locking and loading the jokes like I can't.

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's he's such a baby, I think you Like

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:51.359
<v Speaker 1>that was the thing that surprised me, Like I expected, like, okay, well,

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:54.240
<v Speaker 1>this guy's you know, a bad person for obvious reasons

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:56.960
<v Speaker 1>being the military leader of the Confederacy, But like the

0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 1>degree to which this dude is a fucking baby is,

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:02.319
<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, we're.

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:03.320
<v Speaker 3>Gonna have a good time with this one.

0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 2>I also, I also, as a thought experiment, my question

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:12.279
<v Speaker 2>would be, Okay, Robert Evans, if you were in Montgomery

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 2>at that moment, I just how would you handle that.

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if I see a bunch of people wailing

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:23.439
<v Speaker 1>on a single dude, even outside of a situation where

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 1>it's clearly racist, I'm going to try to stop that

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 1>because I don't want to watch someone get beaten to

0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 1>death in the street. Yeah, like, unless they have it coming.

0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:32.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:34.279
<v Speaker 1>If it's like a guy with a swastika armband and

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 1>people are kicking him on the ground.

0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:37.319
<v Speaker 3>I might not intervene.

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, and that I might in that case,

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I might just to try to stop people from catching

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:44.719
<v Speaker 1>a fucking murder charge. But like, yeah, I feel like

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 1>now at the point at which there's like sixty people

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 1>fighting on the dock, I don't know that I'm I'm

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 1>running into that. Like, for one thing, it seems like

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:55.120
<v Speaker 1>enough people are there. But yeah, you see, you see

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of people like kicking the shit out of

0:36:57.160 --> 0:36:58.479
<v Speaker 1>a man trying to do his job.

0:36:58.600 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 3>You should try to in.

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, like those fucking security should have gotten in

0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 1>there faster. But like, yes, I would hope that I

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>would run in at that point an attempt to stop

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 1>this what was happening. Yeah, absolutely, that's good. And I

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 1>would have had the presence of mind to pick up

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:17.560
<v Speaker 1>that chair though the.

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Chair is yeah, no, I just I would hope that,

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 2>like it would be I just wonder, like because again,

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:26.960
<v Speaker 2>once you black out and get punch drunk, it's like

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I would hope that, like they that the black people

0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:34.319
<v Speaker 2>around would have the wherewithal to be like, no, no, no, no,

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:35.000
<v Speaker 2>he's with us.

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, we'll say, yeah, that dude's with us.

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 2>No no, no, no, he's with us. He's good, he's good,

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:40.399
<v Speaker 2>he's good.

0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that's that's part of why you don't roll

0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:44.760
<v Speaker 1>in when there's like sixty people fighting.

0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:46.879
<v Speaker 3>It's also at that point, yeah, yeah, it's.

0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to tell how do you how do you help?

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:51.839
<v Speaker 1>And if you've got like five people beating a man

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:53.439
<v Speaker 1>on the ground, it's easy to know how to help.

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.000
<v Speaker 1>You try to get that guy up and away from them.

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:57.919
<v Speaker 1>You try to get them off of him. If you've

0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 1>got what are effectively like two or three three dozen

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:03.400
<v Speaker 1>fights going on on a doc, it's like, well, do

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:06.040
<v Speaker 1>you just like start throwing hands like yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody wants somebody. Yeah, just like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you just grab like find children and just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like let me just move y'all out the way, y'all

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<v Speaker 2>back up?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah you should.

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<v Speaker 1>I think when you're anytime you're in encountering a situation

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<v Speaker 1>like this, like your first is like what.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I do that will help?

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<v Speaker 4>You?

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<v Speaker 1>Know, again, it's easy if you if there's a guy

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<v Speaker 1>getting beaten, or if there's someone seriously injured that needs

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<v Speaker 1>medical care, if it's at a point where it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>well this is just fucking chaos, then maybe you just watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, get y yeah, get it, get it, get

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<v Speaker 2>a higher vantage point. Just make sure you can watch

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<v Speaker 2>the watch where it's going. You don't want to get

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<v Speaker 2>sucked in, you know, because you might get trampled. You

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, keep your fucking don't don't fall into your

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<v Speaker 1>phone because ship like that spreads.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yes, yeah, so true. Yeah, well that's a

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<v Speaker 2>usable piece of information. Yeah, for this otherwise just jokes

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<v Speaker 2>full podcast. Yep, yeah, well we all had a good

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<v Speaker 2>time today.

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<v Speaker 3>Prop.

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<v Speaker 1>Where can the people find you if they if they

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<v Speaker 1>would like to do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Man, please, I am on the same network you are.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on the Hood Politics Pod. My socials are all

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<v Speaker 2>the they're all prop hip hop. Like you said, I

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<v Speaker 2>into this shit. Please buy the coffee. But yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 2>prop hip Hop and Yeah and Yeah and Hood Politics Pod.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on the network man, and please check out the show.

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