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Speaker 1: Van Lathan. You had a back and forth with.

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Speaker 2: Oh quick one, you know, because he took a shot

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Speaker 2: at the big Homie CJ with a little hiccup. You know,

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Speaker 2: somebody falsely accused of him and you want to take

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Speaker 2: a shot. He lucky it was on Instagram, so i'd

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Speaker 2: have seen him, he'd have met the Realney. He went

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Speaker 2: to met Memphis Bleach. That's personal.

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Speaker 1: Come o, Welcome to another episode of Club Sha Shay.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propriud

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Speaker 1: of Club Sha Sha. Stopping by for conversation or to

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Speaker 1: drink today. All the way from the Marsi Projects in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: A renowned figure in the music industry. He's been in

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Speaker 1: the game for over three decades, a gold selling rapper,

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Speaker 1: a music label executive, an entrepreneur, and a businessman. And

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Speaker 1: he's one of the first artists signed to the famed

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Speaker 1: Rockefeller label. Here he is a hip hop heavyweight. All

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Speaker 1: the way from the BK. Memphis Bleak.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know what it is, yours truly, Memphis Bleak.

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Speaker 2: In the building, Club Sha Sha. When the rock in

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Speaker 2: the building, you know, it's hot in the building. We

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Speaker 2: gotta do what we do, Baby, album out now Apartment

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Speaker 2: three D. Let's get to it, man, Mario Wine is

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Speaker 2: with the smoke, shout out my whole crew, my right

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Speaker 2: exotics do say a skag rock solid rock nation baby,

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Speaker 2: skip to.

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Speaker 3: It, rising stars and now come man, Yes, yes, yours truly,

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Speaker 3: as from the number one greatest in the warm rap

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Speaker 3: of fellow.

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Speaker 2: Rackets, day one, lash.

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Speaker 4: Yull beginning.

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Speaker 2: It's like Blizzard when you been hinding that I been

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Speaker 2: multiplied at and they dividing that my whole team two

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Speaker 2: and they no denying that. You said it's your black.

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Speaker 2: Well we thinking of buying that. I should charge you

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Speaker 2: a fee for this boss talk when you play this

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Speaker 2: in p.

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Speaker 4: Three it should cost off.

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Speaker 2: How give you this one here for the love money

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Speaker 2: that project? Want to show me how to rinse the

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Speaker 2: drug money I used to move the white on that

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Speaker 2: New York shit. That Jon Snow real key of the

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Speaker 2: North shit, my business stretch out on the West it clubs.

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Speaker 2: I will testing now trying to invest it.

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Speaker 5: Yes, King designed, yes, King, all my mo money. Oh

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Speaker 5: all the time, all the time, dang jingus the jing

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Speaker 5: yes on the line.

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Speaker 4: Let's get into.

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Speaker 5: It well the line Yes all the time.

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Speaker 2: Hey yall that do say moving like it's the now

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Speaker 2: river back my right, smoke and come blow a pal

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Speaker 2: with us. Don't mention me intil.

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Speaker 4: You SI get brought some.

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Speaker 2: I'm fronting with another in the bread that should cost

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Speaker 2: so you lucky. It's free for you to gossip because

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Speaker 2: it because it explained why you ain't got shit.

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Speaker 1: You're watching my moves. I hope you learn something.

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Speaker 2: They can say they spinning what don't make.

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Speaker 1: A shoe turn something?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nigga with shots in the lyrics.

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Speaker 2: Still rout the life round. Yes, let's go, dude saying

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Speaker 6: Right all my life, grinding all my life, sacrifights, hustle

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Speaker 6: back the price one slice got the bro the Diyce

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Speaker 6: swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life,

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Speaker 6: all my life and grinning all my life. Sacrifights, hustle

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Speaker 1: Slice got the bro dis all my life. I've been

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Speaker 4: My brother, what's something?

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Speaker 1: I'm good?

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Speaker 4: Bro? Good? How you being man's great man? No complaints, complaints.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for performing. You know, that's

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Speaker 1: something that we're trying to add to Club Sha Share.

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Speaker 1: Try to have it a more intimate experience. Guys come

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Speaker 1: on and they can rap, or ladies that can sing,

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Speaker 1: we have them to perform. So, man, I really appreciate you,

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Speaker 1: first of all taking time out of your busy schedule

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Speaker 2: On a man plus, I got a project just dropped,

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Speaker 2: so I had to perform something. Shout out my girl.

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Speaker 2: Heyman on that record?

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Speaker 1: Right? Look, I know you you a do say guy, yes,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted you to try. I wanted you to

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Speaker 1: try mine. This is gonna Shave by Laportier. It's a Cognac.

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Speaker 1: You got two different yeah, yeah, you know. I had

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Speaker 1: not to do no drake with the sat A stage.

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Speaker 4: Just still in my sister health and wealth. Brother.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations of everything you've been able to do and continue success.

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Speaker 4: Thank you my brother.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's not bad. Yeah, that's a vs O

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Speaker 1: p Hey. We won. We won like thirteen fourteen awards,

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Speaker 1: the Cimple Wards, which is the highest award you can

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Speaker 1: win in the spirits industry, which is the blind taste tests.

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Speaker 1: They put all the cognacs on the thing and they

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Speaker 1: what I like, see and come to find out see was.

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Speaker 4: Us That's what's up? Congratulat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's that's always great.

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Speaker 2: That's the lictor space is not easy. It is not

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Speaker 2: it's a three tiers system. It agent well you know bleak.

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Speaker 2: Hey man, I'd like to say that master, No go

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Speaker 2: through that. You got to go through a distribution. That's right, man.

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Speaker 2: They tell you it's levels. You gotta grow graduate like it. Yes,

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Speaker 2: steps to this. You gotta market and you gotta be

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Speaker 1: A lot of time celebrities or entertainers or whomever try

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Speaker 4: Gonna go No, we won't know.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna sit right there on that shelf, right there,

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Speaker 1: So thank you for coming back. Let's let's get right

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Speaker 1: into it upbringing the Marxie projects in Brooklyn. Yes, what

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Speaker 2: Of course, you know, father wasn't there, but I had

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Speaker 2: He raised me, my brother, and then my sister came along.

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Speaker 2: Every kid wanted to be an athlete. I thought I

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Speaker 2: But that didn't work. Then I tried to do art,

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Speaker 4: Like that's when the magic just happened. So and it worked.

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Speaker 2: Oh Man, growing up in the housing project is love

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Speaker 4: I signed up for that, yeah, straight up.

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Speaker 2: So you know, like the memories of the projects, all

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Speaker 1: You mentioned about the love and the projects. The one

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Speaker 1: thing I remember about growing up, and I think, bleek,

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Speaker 1: I'm a little older than you, but there's a certain

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Speaker 1: Yes it was a older even if it wasn't a

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Speaker 1: family member, they could correct the child. Yes, if they say, son,

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Speaker 1: Your mom or your grandma be so disappointed. Now you

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Speaker 1: such what. And then some of these kids, that's super disrespectful.

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Speaker 1: Correct you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: They they don't even want correction from their parents, let

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Speaker 4: Growing up, I had about five mothers.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, and all of them could discipline you if they

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Speaker 1: stepped out of line, not only would they discipline when

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Speaker 4: That's right, And it was on. It was on, man like.

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Speaker 2: That was the thing like people, you know, you ran

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Speaker 4: It was the parents you hid everything from.

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Speaker 1: So that was it just rapping thing. That was just

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Speaker 2: And he was like, man, don't be out. He gave

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Speaker 2: Jay and his cousin be high Biggs and Dane Dash

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Speaker 2: putting pen the paper, I used to ask them for

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Speaker 1: What is it about Brooklyn Biggie look Kim jay Z

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Speaker 4: Is Borough of course, hands down the biggest, the biggest borough.

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Speaker 2: Remember when we was our own city before we became

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm a Biggie in the studio session with Jay

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Speaker 2: I remember telling Big Yo, when I get my album dog,

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: So what's your favorite memory, although it was brief, what

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Speaker 2: Man, My favorite memory of Biggie is where I remember

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Speaker 2: being in Jersey. That's when they first bought these homes

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I was fresh into projects, so to see a house

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Speaker 2: stuff like that. Just seeing them as the first like

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Speaker 2: I didn't see where he took it was just like

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Speaker 2: Noriega and Capone jay Z. They was people. I saw him,

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Speaker 2: was like, they living like this. I definitely need to make.

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Speaker 1: A record, is it? And I tell people and people

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Speaker 1: saw him go to college, I was like, I can

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Speaker 4: That's right, so I can do it.

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Speaker 1: When he went to the league, I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: we came up in the same household, we ate the

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Speaker 1: same thing, we lived the same way. I can do

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Speaker 1: it with it that way we you with bigg You're like, well, damn,

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Speaker 1: I grew up around here with big I grew up

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Speaker 1: do it.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 2: No, I knew my pen was strong, but it's not

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Speaker 2: Biggie A jay Z strong, like I just was hoping

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Speaker 2: to make my mark, but watching them, they're legends, man, Like,

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Speaker 2: it gets no better than Biggie, jay Z, Tupac, Nads,

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Speaker 2: Like where you go from there? I feel like they

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Speaker 2: But those are the greatest pens on the paper. Like,

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to be a part of the history.

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Speaker 4: I didn't.

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Speaker 1: Where were you when you found out that Biggie had

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously he was out there promoting the Life

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Speaker 2: Yes, I was in Brooklyn, I like, I was in

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Speaker 2: the news. I remember that day and I was just heartbroken, devastate.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. It took me a while to

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Speaker 4: I was like, no way, they have to have it wrong.

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Speaker 4: There's no way. He have too much security for that.

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Speaker 4: To me, it was like so unreal.

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Speaker 2: And then being a rapper, we never thought like the

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Speaker 2: rap in the streets can merge, Yes, like that. So

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Speaker 2: that was the first time really knowing noticing that, Hey,

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Speaker 2: this rap thing can really take a U turn and

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Speaker 2: put you right back where you're trying to get away from,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So that's what really broke

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Speaker 2: my heart because we was trying to get away from that,

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Speaker 2: and you know, you do you make all this money,

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Speaker 2: showcase your talent, do all of this, and still to

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Speaker 4: It's just like devastating.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you said your hole was living like a key.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the project had a water bed, flat screen TV.

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Speaker 1: I mean not flat screen, you had the floor model TV.

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Speaker 1: The first of all, I have an air condition of

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Speaker 1: the project. Your money was different. Your money was different.

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Speaker 2: Because everybody had a fan, Yeah, with a squirt bottle

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Speaker 2: just to get the water breeze on you. Yeah. So

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Speaker 2: water bed, everything all white, the white carpet. I'm looking

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Speaker 2: in there like I need to find out what he doing.

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Speaker 2: I want to be a part of that. And that

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Speaker 2: that's what changed my whole I'm not flipping, I'm not drawing,

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Speaker 2: I'm not playing basketball, I'm not doing none. Of that.

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Speaker 4: I want to do what he doing.

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Speaker 1: I've had some some some young celebrity teenate celebrity that

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Speaker 1: they say they met some resentment, some jealousy, having success,

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Speaker 1: They can see them on TV, they're written, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're in the movie and so forth the song. Did

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Speaker 1: you experience any of that?

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Speaker 4: Nah Man?

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Speaker 2: In school, I used to tell my teachers, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: make more money than you, so these lessons don't mean

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Speaker 2: nothing to teach. I don't need this test today. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna be richer than you now. I remember my teachers

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Speaker 2: to be like, where do you think you're going? I'm like,

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Speaker 2: trust me, this music thing gonna work. And they used

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Speaker 2: to be like, do you wanna pull your eggs in

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Speaker 4: Good luck?

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Speaker 2: That's why teach trusts me. I'm gonna make it so.

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Speaker 2: And then the more resentment you get, I feel like,

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Speaker 2: when you become success, it really comes from your environment. Yes,

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Speaker 2: the people who know you right, and they just feel like,

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Speaker 2: why him not me?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: So it really didn't come from the outside or like

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Speaker 4: It came from the kids that.

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Speaker 2: I call that you really knew, Yes, it changes everything, man,

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Speaker 2: success changes everything.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that, and you always and speak glowing about

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Speaker 1: whole What is it? What was it about you and him?

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Speaker 1: What connected y'all families?

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Speaker 2: My mother and his sister were best friends, you know, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Like so when we first moved to the projects, I

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Speaker 2: was two years old. My mother say, the first person

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Speaker 2: she met was Mickey, which is Michelle J's sister, and

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Speaker 2: they became best friends.

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Speaker 4: So it's no age where I know I met Jay.

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Speaker 4: I just always knew it.

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Speaker 2: That's Ja and you know, and I always knew he

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Speaker 2: was doing the music thing running around with Big Daddy

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Speaker 2: came at the time with jazz O. Jizzau was the

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Speaker 2: first rapper you know, how to Marcie really have a

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Speaker 2: record deal. And I just knew I wanted to be

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Speaker 2: I wanted to get a ride on that train, like

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Speaker 2: wherever that train going, I need to be a passenger.

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Speaker 1: You look at where he's come from, and he doesn't

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Speaker 1: really do a whole lot of music. Now he'll jump

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Speaker 1: outside of what you know, the du Say brand and

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Speaker 1: build up his Ace of Spade and building up what

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Speaker 1: he's been able to do. So music is that's still

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Speaker 1: the backbone of what it is, but it's not at

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Speaker 1: the forefront of what he does.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Like Jay always been the businessman, and if you

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Speaker 2: go back to his first album, second album, around that time,

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Speaker 2: he always was talking about retiring after his first album.

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Speaker 2: Then he was like, i'm'a retire after the second album.

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Speaker 2: He never wanted to do this and be this glamorous superstar.

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Speaker 2: He wanted to be the biggest businessman. So that's why

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Speaker 2: if you see, the music is the backbone, but his

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Speaker 2: who he is, the businessman, and that's what overshadows the music.

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Speaker 2: So now I feel like it's to a point Jay

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Speaker 2: feel like not saying that like somebody need to diss

437
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,159
Speaker 2: him or competition. He just feels like there's no one

438
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,280
Speaker 2: on his level until someone like when Eminem was making music,

439
00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,040
Speaker 2: pun was making music, Biggie No Tupac, those guys, he

440
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,680
Speaker 2: had competition to be like, oh I gotta be number one.

441
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,000
Speaker 2: It's no competition for Jay now unless he want to

442
00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:58,440
Speaker 2: battle me.

443
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,360
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, because there's a lot

444
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,399
Speaker 1: Ben said. You know, he has a prominent role with

445
00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,560
Speaker 1: the NFL. Yes, and he is responsible for bringing acts

446
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,320
Speaker 1: for the halftime show. And he's never gonna be a

447
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 1: he's never gonna be one hundred percent because you if

448
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,720
Speaker 1: they bring Memphis Bleek, why didn't you bring this guy?

449
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 1: If you bring that guy, why didn't you bring this?

450
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 2: That's right, it's always gonna be It's always gonna be seven.

451
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 2: You can never please everybody.

452
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 1: What is it that the internet get wrong about?

453
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:25,879
Speaker 4: Who is that?

454
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,639
Speaker 2: They think he threw things personally that that like you know,

455
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,199
Speaker 2: of course they think like he pulled the names out

456
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 2: the hat and be like, oh not that God don't

457
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,399
Speaker 2: like him, I didn't like his album, or how he

458
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,400
Speaker 2: did this about me. And it's never about that. It's

459
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 2: about the best situation for business. Sometimes business decisions hurt

460
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 2: the ones you love, hurt your friends, but at the

461
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 2: end result is it better for business. And that's the

462
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 2: decision you have to make when you it's no friendness,

463
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 2: it's business.

464
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,439
Speaker 1: It's business. You're absolutely right. You freestyle for ja own

465
00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. How did that come about.

466
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 4: Rest of Peace? Clark Cat?

467
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 2: It was them walking through the projects, you know, and

468
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 2: I'm sitting on the bench, just hot summer day, and

469
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 2: you know, they pull up on it in the Lexus

470
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 2: New Lexus. They ain't even out yet paper plates, and

471
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I got to find out how to

472
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: get involved with these guys. So I'm like, yo, I rhyme, man,

473
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,880
Speaker 2: I get busy, y'all gotta hear me out. So Clark

474
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 2: KM was like Jay first was like, yo, you rhyme,

475
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 2: get out of here. You know, you never told me that.

476
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 2: I'm like yeah, Clark was like me here something and

477
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 2: then I rhymed for them and that's when they was

478
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: like Then Clark was like, yo, he might be good

479
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 2: for this record, and the rest.

480
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 4: Is history from there.

481
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 1: Did you practice that or you just right off the cuff?

482
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, right there.

483
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 2: I always used to write rhymes just sitting outside with

484
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 2: my friends and I when I put my mind to

485
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 2: something as a kid, I knew that's what I wanted

486
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 2: to do. Like, I didn't know this was gonna be

487
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 2: from raping. I just wanted to be the best rapper from.

488
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: Marcie, right. But you but even though you said, you

489
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: was always put in the paper yourself, and you would

490
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: you know you're doing what you did. But the opportunity

491
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,959
Speaker 1: because you ever knew when Jay and DJ Clark Kent

492
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 1: was gonna roll up, or somebody's gonna roll up and

493
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: they need you to spit something.

494
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 4: That's right.

495
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: See you know, people say, look, look, it's what happened

496
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: when preparation meets opportunity. If you're prepared, the opportunity to

497
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 1: presented itself, Clark Kent and who came strolling through.

498
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 4: That's right.

499
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 1: You was prepared.

500
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 2: I was ready because I always always wrote rhymes. And

501
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 2: then I had a friend, you know, used to take

502
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 2: me the talent shows. Rested piece guy named Soambric used

503
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 2: to play the major instruments from my project. Said, that's

504
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 2: who always used to take me the shows, talent shows

505
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 2: and everything. And he the first person put in my head.

506
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 2: And if you ain't ten minutes earlier, you ten minutes late. Wow,

507
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 2: So I live off that.

508
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: But you was surprised that you learned that Jay wrote

509
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 1: your verse in such a short period of time.

510
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: He didn't even write it, like when he gave me

511
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 2: a piece of paper. We went to the house and

512
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: he ripped a piece of paper right out of notebook

513
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: and was like, yo, as fast as you remember, this

514
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 2: is as fast as your life had changed. And I'm like,

515
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 2: what Okay, I went downstairs rewrote on a piece of paper,

516
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: Probably like an hour later. I'll call him, y'all, I'm ready.

517
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 2: He like, you remember in the raading. I'm like, I'm ready.

518
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,959
Speaker 2: We went to Clauk king Krib that day. That's how

519
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: fast started, because Bro, what was happening in my projects,

520
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 2: in my in my apartment. You had to get a

521
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 2: fight of there. Yeah, I was eating Sarah brad Man

522
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: on bro. Yeah, yeah, up on your right, sis, come on,

523
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 2: it's time to go.

524
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

525
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: I can imagine, you know, I'm old enough to remember.

526
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,959
Speaker 1: And I saw Michael Jordan play. I saw Kobe play, obviously,

527
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: I've seen Lebron and Steph Curry play. I saw Michael

528
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: Johnson run. I can imagine what it would be like

529
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: to see Usain Boat see some own bounds of Michael

530
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: Phelps in their craft greatness personified. Yes, now you get

531
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 1: an opportunity to see hole and everybody talks about hole.

532
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: I think it was a DJ Khaled said that, you know,

533
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: send him a beat and talk and he's like, and

534
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: Hope is just like, wrote nothing. He ain't write nothing down.

535
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: He just nodded his head mm hmmm hmm. Tell the

536
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: engine in to go.

537
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 4: In there and let's go.

538
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: Just like that. I've seen Jay write a whole song

539
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 2: from the time we was in the like we at

540
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 2: the house between he lived in five sixty State Street.

541
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 2: The limo pick us up to go to the airport

542
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: JFK probably a good thirty minutes from downtown. Forty minutes

543
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 2: with traffic from door to airport door. He wrote the

544
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 2: whole song Sunshine in the car and didn't say one word.

545
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 4: We got off the car.

546
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 2: He's like, y'all got a whole song and we laid

547
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: it down in Virginia, like thirty minutes whole record, telling you,

548
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: I haven't seen this man.

549
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 4: I knew.

550
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 2: That's why when you say when you look at somebody

551
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: and you say, if he did it, I could do it.

552
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 4: No, I knew I can't do that.

553
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 2: He was hand picked by the angels man like his

554
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 2: path was it was no way because it was like

555
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 2: one day everything just changed and it was so easy

556
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: for him.

557
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: So he's what you would call like you know, young kid.

558
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: They say prodigy M H. Savant, He's destined yes to

559
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: be That's how.

560
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: I saw him, like he always been, like well how

561
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: people view him today, billionaire hole. He was always that

562
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 2: to me growing up in the projects. I didn't have

563
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: ten percent of.

564
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 4: What he had.

565
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: How did Reasonable Doubt change your life?

566
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: Changed their everything, the whole complexion of everything. But when

567
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: it dropped, I didn't realize it was changing it for

568
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: this because back then, success to me was having all

569
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: the girls in Brooklyn, you know what I mean. I

570
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 2: didn't care about the money. Was like, Okay, let's give

571
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: some money to mom, make sure the bills is paid.

572
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: But I didn't see life really outside of Marcia yet,

573
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: so I thought I was the neighborhood superstar.

574
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 4: That's why I missed the second album.

575
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: So if you asked me, reasonable Doubt did good and

576
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 2: it helped and ruin my life, but put me on

577
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: the right track.

578
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: You get money? What from that? I'm considering you probably

579
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: got a little brand, more money than you had ever

580
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: had ever seen in your life. Of course, yes, what

581
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: was the first thing you did with it?

582
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: First thing I ever did when I went and bought

583
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 2: a house because I always wanted the backyard pool.

584
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. I wanted to do that.

585
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 2: So seventeen years old, I went purchased a house in

586
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 2: New Jersey. Damn, that was my first thing I bought

587
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: with my money. Then I moved my mom in a

588
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: to New Jersey with me. And then you know, when

589
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 2: brought a couple of cars. You know, I already got

590
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: in the mackyard. It's time to get the cars and

591
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: pulled back up to these high schools. So now.

592
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: You got a car. You in Jersey took care of mom.

593
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: Now are you starting to notice there's more envy, There's

594
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: more resentment starting to be aimed at your direction.

595
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: Yes, from loved ones, from friends, family members that think

596
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 2: why why not me? While you, you know, cousins and

597
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 2: aunts are thinking, yeah, you should buy me a house too.

598
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: It's like, huh, you don't. You don't even pay your rent, right,

599
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: you can't. You can't maintain a house. You know what

600
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,959
Speaker 2: it caught like what it takes. People think, Yes, they

601
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: think it's just the mortgage. They don't understand when that

602
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 2: roof leet, there's no landlord to call that toilet stop,

603
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: it's nobody to call better. You gotta have that cash

604
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: on deck.

605
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, because a lot of times people expect you to

606
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: give them take care of Okay, let's just say, for

607
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: the sake of argument, I buy somebody a car. Now

608
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: they expected me when the tires change, the tires, yes, oh,

609
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: it needs to be serviced. Hey, you will take care

610
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: of service.

611
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 4: Yes.

612
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: No, No, bro, that's you.

613
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: That was a one time thing. You must maintain the upkey.

614
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: And a lot of people they don't even know what

615
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 2: they ask for. They don't even know they're asking for

616
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: a bill when they ask for these things a house

617
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 2: or cars, Like, okay, you're asking for a bill.

618
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 4: I hope you can maintain these things.

619
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: No, they can't. They expect you to maintain. Yes, And

620
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: then you you learn a lot about people. Memphis bleak

621
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: when you say no.

622
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 4: That's right.

623
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 2: As long as you say a bleak me view they

624
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: love you the one time you say no. You're the

625
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: biggest enemy in the world. Yeah, and it's cool. I've

626
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 2: been the enemy for a long time after after fifty Yes,

627
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: it's one no, and you're.

628
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 4: The biggest enemy in the world. Changes every time.

629
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Uh, school, so what now you're seventeen?

630
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: I think you probably still.

631
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 4: No, I left school.

632
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: You left.

633
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 4: I left, I got a BLI to that school couldn't

634
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 4: hold you. Yeah, it was it. I learned everything I needed.

635
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: Man, you no fundamentals, reading, writing, math, you no comprehension,

636
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: social studies. It was nothing else to learn. And I

637
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: got one hundred and fifty thousand dollars check. It was like,

638
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: it's no looking what I need in there.

639
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm not Yeah, yeah, I'm making more than the teacher day.

640
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah it was.

641
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 4: It was nothing like, it was nothing to do. I'm gone.

642
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: I see how later I read when you missed a

643
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: Biggie Tour?

644
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: Yes, becoming too big headed after reasonable doubt, I thought

645
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: I was a superstar, like I said, I got a

646
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: little bit of money, family good. I'm thinking everything is cool.

647
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: I don't need nothing else.

648
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 4: I made it.

649
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: This is the peak of success. So then Jay used

650
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 2: to be calling me to go to the studio. That's

651
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: to tell my Mom's telling him I'm not here. Damn,

652
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: I should tell him I'm not here. I don't want

653
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: to go to the studio today.

654
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 4: I'm good. I got a couple of girls coming over.

655
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: Forget the studio.

656
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, and you know, mom, she like Jay. He

657
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 2: in the room with some chicken heads and Jay pulled up.

658
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: I never forget kicked my girls out, get out of here,

659
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: and I may you asked me. He had to talk

660
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: with me, like, this is what you want to you

661
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: want to be in the projects with these girls. He's like, Bro,

662
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: I'm rich. I'm trying to give you the opportunity to

663
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: change your life, to change life in this apartment.

664
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 4: I want to bring you with me.

665
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: But if this is what you want to do, cool,

666
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: I leave you here to do it and left and

667
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: I ain't see j for probably like a year or two.

668
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: After that, he went on tour, dropped another album, and

669
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: I didn't even know contact nothing. And it was one

670
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: day I seen him in the projects and plaid my

671
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: story and I haven't missed another session or anything since

672
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: that day.

673
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: Your mom really saved your yes, your life. Yes, even

674
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: though she dined.

675
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she definitely dimmed me out, but she helped

676
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: me out. She knew he on the road, to know

677
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: he was on the path headed nowhere.

678
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: So has Jay always been this mature? He seemed like

679
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: he was. He's a little older than you are.

680
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes he's old him, but he's always like

681
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: focused on Yeah, okay, all this I want this, this

682
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: and this, but this is this is a journey.

683
00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: That's not my destination.

684
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: Like always bro, Like I say, Jay was a prophet

685
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: and he still is. Like he see things and talk

686
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: things into fruition. Like if you look at if you

687
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: listen to the song, what's the song, it's where IRV

688
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: Gotty God bless IRV Gotti your customer. Listen to the

689
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: beginning line he say, it's the eventual triple platinum rapper

690
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: with the solid gold fit. What rapper starts averse off

691
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: that I'm an eventually be this. That's how you knew

692
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: he knew where he was going with He knew and

693
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: nothing was gonna take him off that path.

694
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: But even before all the success, you saw him grind.

695
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 4: Yes, working like radiol universe.

696
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: Can you don't you don't do you don't look, you

697
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: can't become successful and then start the grind. No, you

698
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: grind before you become successful. Therefore it's easy to maneuver.

699
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: Yes, I remember when you know the Day's Funk Master

700
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: Flex DJ Read Alert. They would and play the records

701
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: and we used to make baskets by you know, champagne, crystal,

702
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: Godiva or type of stuff and make gift baskets for

703
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: the radio station to try to get them to play

704
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: his records. Like it was a struggle, you know, carrying

705
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: crates of records to Pekina mixtape shop, you know, Beach Street,

706
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: downtown Brooklyn, like, trying to get these people to sell

707
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: the tapes. It was a struggle, man, It was not

708
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: you know, people like to read the end of the story.

709
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: Nobody liked to pick up the glossary of the book.

710
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 4: They don't want to get to the beginning. But you know,

711
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 4: I read like.

712
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: Well because the record label didn't want to sign it

713
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: because he was a little older than the typical rappers.

714
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: He was like what twenty six, yes, and a lot

715
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: of these you know, the eighteen you don't.

716
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: Can take advantage of them. They was already super smart,

717
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: you know, crazy intelligence. One of the smartest men I know.

718
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: Like and he, like I said, he knew what he

719
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: wanted to do. The path was set, he knew, and

720
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: he wouldn't take them less or no fin answer.

721
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: He ends up selling Rockefeller to Death Death Jam for

722
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: ten mil and you like and a lot of people,

723
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: you know, ten million back then, that's a lot of breaking.

724
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: But he was he wasn't satisfied.

725
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: US ten million today is a lot of bit, but

726
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: you could imagine what it was back back then.

727
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, because he strikes me as a guy, real

728
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: understanding that the minute you're satisfied as a person is

729
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: thriller an individual.

730
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 6: Yeah.

731
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: So he had an unquenchable desire first to get.

732
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: More, I believe, if you ask me, I believe. Once

733
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: Jay guys first one hundred million, and he knew it

734
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: was accessible. He looked at the lists on Forbes and

735
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: start had hunting all of them. That was it, say,

736
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: I'm coming for everybody on this list.

737
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna be satisfied with m He needed to

738
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: be a bed behind his name.

739
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: Yup, I'm telling you he's he's a goal getter. He

740
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 2: don't stop. It don't matter how much is here.

741
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 4: We need more.

742
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: So now, okay, you get signed the Rockefeller. Yes, you

743
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: one of the first. He then looked out for you.

744
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: He done came. Hey, get out of here, y'all on

745
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: some bull drive. Y'all hold him a man back, but

746
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: you allowed him to hold you back. You need to

747
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: get in the right frame of mind and realize you

748
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: see all this, it's within your graft toots right, but

749
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna hand it to you.

750
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 4: That's right. You gotta want it.

751
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: It's just like the story they say, you can lead

752
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

753
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: So I had to definitely take the drink from the

754
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: fountain and learn myself. But I wanted it. Once I

755
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: got the opportunity, I got the deal. Like I said,

756
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: it was at the time when I was acting like

757
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: I was Hollywood, so they didn't trust my work ethic,

758
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: you know, they didn't really believe in it. And this

759
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: was at the time when we signed Beanie Siegel because

760
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: I was signed first and then beans got signed and

761
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: then you know, beans was just like a breath of

762
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: fresh air to to Rockefeller that the whole focus shifted

763
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: to him. So I had to prove myself. And that's

764
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: why I think, you know Superstar A and R legendary Lennyes,

765
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: because if it wasn't for him, us believing in each other,

766
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: we went and turned it around and made the first

767
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: album Coming to Age, and we went gold.

768
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 4: Wow.

769
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: So now you signed to the label, you get that

770
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: signing bonus. What you do I told you that, Yeah,

771
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: that's when I bought the house. That's when before that

772
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: we was I was still going to the projects. I

773
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: used to do shows with Jay and the limo drop

774
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: everybody off at their condo and then pull up in

775
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: the middle of the I like I was King of

776
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: New York. The limo dropped me off right in the projects.

777
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: And I used to feel, Yeah, how did that make

778
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: you feel? Like, Bro, I'm stepping out of limo, but

779
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm stepping out of the limo going into Yo.

780
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: I used to feel like shit, man, Like it was

781
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: like the worst feeling ever because you came from this

782
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: such high You're flying first class, business class, you staying

783
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: in these prestigious hotels, You're doing these concerts, ridding around

784
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: the limos, eating this fancy food, and then it's all

785
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: over and the car drop you right back to reality.

786
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: So every day I used to knew what I was

787
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: working for.

788
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: M I heard you say you wish you had planned

789
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: your career earlier, because I and it sounds to me

790
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: and because you could correct me if I'm wrong that

791
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: you feel like you wasted a couple of years.

792
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: Yes, I wasn't prepared like the things, Like I knew

793
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 2: Jay was great, but then I know he was gonna

794
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: be what he is today.

795
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 4: No, I don't think none of us saw this.

796
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 2: And I wish that if I did pay a little

797
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 2: bit more attention instead of chasing the girls, instead of

798
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: chasing the club life, you know, the flaws and the

799
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: flashy stuff, I would have been more prepared for what arised.

800
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be just learning the business aspect. Now.

801
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 4: It to have been business then, you know.

802
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm really glad you said that, because

803
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: every time I talk to someone, I say, well, did

804
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: you know? Oh yeah, knew that. I knew it. Oh yeah,

805
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: I knew he's I was like, what damn, everybody knows that.

806
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: Somebody's I'm like, come on now, but you're really the

807
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: first person is that I can honestly say, like, no,

808
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: I you know. I knew he was good. I knew

809
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: he was a hard worker, he was dedicated to the grind.

810
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: He saw a bigger he saw a brighter future, a

811
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: bigger picture. But I didn't think he would become this.

812
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: No, heck, no, man, this was not in the cards.

813
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: I knew he was gonna be one of the greats,

814
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: but the greatest.

815
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 4: I didn't know. I couldn't see this.

816
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: Right having success early, And I mentioned some of the

817
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: people that have had on from Keki Palmer to Making

818
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: Good to Chris Brown a bow. While if you could

819
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: some of the upcoming stars now young teenagers thirteen, fourteen, seventeen,

820
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: if you could give them advice, if you could get five, six,

821
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: seven of them in a room, what advice would you

822
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: give them?

823
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: Leave the girls like the girls come to them on

824
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 2: the girls gonna always be there. That's the number one

825
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: rule of advice I would give them is the girl

826
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: don't chase the girls chase the money, because the girls

827
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 2: chase the men with the money. That's number one and

828
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: number two. A lot of these young guys is turning.

829
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: They're making so much money and turn into gang culture

830
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: and it's just like asinine and backwards.

831
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I thought you wanted to lead that.

832
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, you do that as you broke.

833
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: You don't become a millionaire to be gang I'm king

834
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: Tito now like I made ten million, now king Tito.

835
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 4: No, I don't want to see Tito.

836
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: Right, that's the whole purpose. Is that why you're doing

837
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: it legit is to leave that culture. Yeah, why would

838
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: you make ten twenty fifteen million dollars to go.

839
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: Back and and that's the advice I were giving, is

840
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: that you're just wasting time man, and prolong in your life. Man,

841
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: like some of these guys is cutting their path short

842
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: by living a life I think not even I ain't

843
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: gonna even say living portraying a life that they thought

844
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: was glamorous, Like the streets don't. They don't forget. It's

845
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: an unforgiven. Yeah, the streets is not. It's not the

846
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: play I don't play plate.

847
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 4: No, man, you don't.

848
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: You don't play It's like you don't play play fight,

849
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: you don't play place.

850
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not the hokey pokey can't put.

851
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 2: One foot in, one foot down, turn around the shait

852
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: it all about.

853
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: No, I read that a Dame dash got you out

854
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: of a bad management content.

855
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Dame saved my life. Man.

856
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: That's why, when you know, when me and Dame get

857
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,479
Speaker 2: our a little internet spad, I don't feel good about

858
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: talking about anybody I once called brother in a negative light. Right,

859
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: this is how I like to talk about my brother's

860
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: the good things, the nice things, and the genuine things

861
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: they did. I remember going up to the office and

862
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: I'm telling Dame you I just signed my management contract.

863
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go, let's get this album going. And

864
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: he like, you signed the management? Who your manager? I'm like, yo,

865
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: my guys, you know, he like, let me see that contract.

866
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: I gave him the contract. He called the lawyer right

867
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: there on the spot. Are you insane? You're trying to

868
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: rob my little brother? Y'all better fix this contract right now, like.

869
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 4: Crazy, And you know I didn't know.

870
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, hold on, my lawyer set me up, fire him,

871
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: and Dame helped me get a new lawyer into account

872
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: and all of that word save my life. So now.

873
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: You've been in this situation, So how would you instruct

874
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: others to go about handling business?

875
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: Oh?

876
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 4: Man, hire your own lawyer.

877
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 2: I had almost like a quarter pointed law. They just

878
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: gave me a lawyer, Like do your own due diligence,

879
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: get your own attorney, and you know, make sure don't

880
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: just pay somebody to read something, pay somebody to teach

881
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: you something.

882
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 4: You know, learn the business.

883
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: They wanted you to be ll because l L LLL

884
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: was what I mean LLLL was major. He was one

885
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: of the major was like in the early eighties. He

886
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: influenced all of us. Yes, yes, you was resistant to that.

887
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, because we had jih Ruin. They had the muscles.

888
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: I don't got the muscles.

889
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: Get no more.

890
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 4: I would do, but it takes a long time.

891
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: I thought muscles coming six months, so I could get

892
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: the six month plan.

893
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: Man.

894
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 4: Right, So.

895
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: You said, I don't really to go back and forth

896
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: with Dame because he's enery so he's anybody, and when

897
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: somebody helped you, it's hard. But why do you think

898
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: he's become so resentful?

899
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 6: Man?

900
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: I think any man that knows they did wrong before

901
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: they admitted their attack, and I think that's the phase

902
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: he's going through. He's in attack mode right now, you

903
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And then comes the admission and

904
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: self guilt later. Right.

905
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: You know, I see people on the internet and everybody saying, man,

906
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: hold work, dismitted billion man, He could kick He can

907
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: kick Dame down something and get it and get him

908
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: out of that situation. Come in, you know, blah blah blah.

909
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 4: That's not Jay. Just let you know that right now. Shit,

910
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 4: I'm his friend.

911
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: He ain't going, he ain't given nothing away to the

912
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: loved ones. You gotta earn it, you gotta work. And

913
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: then a person who was chopping at his tree for

914
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: so long. I just I just don't see it happening.

915
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean because he's taking shots of me. Yes,

916
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: and it's it's in a way from me. I mean,

917
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: you know the situation better than I do, and you

918
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: know both of them better now. But it's really sad

919
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: to see people that were so close together. Yeah, you

920
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: come so far apart.

921
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: Yes, And and business does that. And now that's why

922
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 2: I say money is the root all even man. Money

923
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: is It changes everything. You know when you we sit

924
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: and here, everything is fine, and Danny, you throw a

925
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: pot of money in everything changes.

926
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: Rockefeller breaking up worse day in my life. Did you

927
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: did you go back and yet? Like, did you know? Jaj?

928
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: Could you could you see this coming? Could you foretell

929
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: of this?

930
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 4: Yes? I knew.

931
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: We used to talk, you know, like I remember a

932
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: change clothes video. Shoot, you know, me and Dane had

933
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: a little argument like something that got real, real personal.

934
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: And Jay didn't like that, and we had a conversation

935
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 2: and he was like, Yo, it's gonna come in time.

936
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: If none of these guys don't ship up and act right,

937
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: we're gonna ship them out. It ain't gonna be none

938
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: of this no more. And I'm like huh, and I'm

939
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to the guys trying to tell everybody,

940
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: you know, break it down, But nobody was lifting to me.

941
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: They thought they knew the put they had the blueprint.

942
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: And it's like, okay, if the boss is saying this

943
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: is about to be over and y'all not listening to me,

944
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just sit here and watch the credits roll there,

945
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: you know. And it's sad to say that I tried

946
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: and it was nothing I can do.

947
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: Man, money, ego, what what was the root? What was

948
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: the main if I if I got you in the

949
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: oath and you gay and I got the Lord, what

950
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: do you think the main reason was?

951
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: Looking back now, I think it was credit. Like I,

952
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 2: for some reason, our way Kocher loves credit being the

953
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: reason behind something instead of just getting the money forced right,

954
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: and like people want the credit. They want to be

955
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 2: the man the reason why did I put this together?

956
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: You're here because of me, and I think that on me, me, me,

957
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: attitude is what destroyed it.

958
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: I mean cause you if you look at it, and

959
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: let's just say you inherit a ten billion and I

960
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: got out and I grind and I work and I

961
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: got ten billion, You got ten billion, I got ten billion. Yeah,

962
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: were just saying how it's unimportant.

963
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 2: That's right, and that's that's I don't know why people

964
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: be so fascinated or of that man.

965
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 4: They want to explain that is because of me.

966
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, I'll give the credit away if I

967
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: walk out and find a bag of money, and you

968
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: want to say you help me find.

969
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 4: Go ahead first. Okay, good, I grabbed it right.

970
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: But you But they say most dynasties fall from within. Yes,

971
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: it's not the outside, it's the inside. And too much money, man,

972
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 1: too much money, too much power. It brings egos, really

973
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: big egos, man, and it's uncontrollable. I want you, I

974
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: want your honest opinion on this. The greatest rap label.

975
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: We got death Row, bad Boys, cash Money, young Money, Aftermath,

976
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: no limits, so so death rough Riders, tde quality control,

977
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: made back music, depth, jail.

978
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 4: No Rockefeller, I ain't got a we ain't out in there.

979
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: You ain't say Rockefeller, Rockefeller, And it's automatically Rockefeller.

980
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: Give me, give me, give me, give me a five,

981
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: give me your top five.

982
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 4: Oh gotta say cash money.

983
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 2: They had one of the longest runs and hip Hop,

984
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 2: independency history, I believe.

985
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 4: Then you gotta say death Row.

986
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: Death Row started this gangster come on man, doctor dre

987
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 2: everybody they started that. Uh you gotta give no limiteds

988
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 2: props just off the hustle in the show and Durrance

989
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: MASTERPI showed, Uh, what's the other name you said?

990
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 4: Oh, rough Riders.

991
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 2: Come on, man, you got Swiss, dm X, god Bless

992
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: d n Y Real straight New York Yonkers, Harlem hustlers.

993
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: That turned that into what r come on? That's for

994
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: right there? And then who else would I go after that?

995
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: I got a young Money, you got Aftermath, you got

996
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: social death, quality control, Mayeback Music, and you got depth

997
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: Depth Jam.

998
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 4: Death Jam is the one of the greatest labels in history.

999
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: Like that started.

1000
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, without them, it wouldn't be no young Money, cash money.

1001
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: O vo money.

1002
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah it needs nothing word up. So death Jam really

1003
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: the pioneers to this, Russell Simmons and them, they they

1004
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: they paved the way for what we do.

1005
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: Kanye, what do you remember about Kanye?

1006
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 4: Oh genius?

1007
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: Man, Kanye is a musical genius. When it came down

1008
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: to Kanye in the studio, he was like Jay, he

1009
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: wouldn't take no for an answer, like Kanye her no,

1010
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: like you know, used to make the beat, but telling

1011
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: everybody rhyme too, Yo, listen, I got verses, I got

1012
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: this and the man, I don't want to hear your verses, gleek,

1013
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: I'm telling you gonna be the greatest. Get behind it,

1014
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: get back in. And he wouldn't take no for an answer.

1015
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: So his showing durance and perseverance to grind and make

1016
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: people believe, it's like it's forever etcheton Stone.

1017
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: You know, you're right, you know, college drop out. Here's

1018
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: some of his greatest stuff. But a lot of people say, man,

1019
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: it changed when his mother passed, because that was the

1020
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: one that was the cloak, that was the woman that

1021
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: he truly truly loved. She was probably one of the

1022
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: few people that could talk to Kanye and and and

1023
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: and keep him on the Do you do you think

1024
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: did you notice a change? I don't know if you've

1025
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: been around him since I never like, it's so crazy.

1026
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: I knew Kanye and I never met his mom, God

1027
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: bless her soul. I never met his mom, you know,

1028
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: so I really don't like speaking about that. But people

1029
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: moren in different ways, you know, like that's to hits people.

1030
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: You can no one can mourn the same way. So

1031
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: maybe this is his mourning, you know what I mean?

1032
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: We don't know.

1033
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: You gotta let him find his figure, man. But you know,

1034
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: it's a lot for that man. Man, you're playing like

1035
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: you got kids involved, your mother, the industry, your money,

1036
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: your business.

1037
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 4: It's a lot, man.

1038
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: They put a lot of pressure on them and expect

1039
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: that you don't break like pressure bus pipes. Man. Like,

1040
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: at some point every man got a breaking point, and

1041
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 2: I think he hit his man. And it's sad to

1042
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: see because, like I said, I don't like to see

1043
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 2: none of my brothers spiraling or in the news any

1044
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 2: type of controversy. But sometimes you just have to sit

1045
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: back with a clear mind and just try to understand

1046
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: what that man can be going through.

1047
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 6: Right.

1048
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 4: You know.

1049
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: You also got an opportunity to work with Rihanna early

1050
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: her career, Yes, and I had no clue who she was.

1051
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: I was pissed off. I didn't even want the hook.

1052
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: I remember I came in the studio, Jay like, y'all

1053
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: got this beat for you, It got a hook on

1054
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 2: it already, and I'm like, who is this girl? I

1055
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: don't want this record? You bugging it, Jay, like and

1056
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 2: this record is fire.

1057
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: You don't like it.

1058
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know you turned it? Yeah, and

1059
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 2: then they bought Rihanna in the room and I'm like,

1060
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: put that beat back up, let's go.

1061
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 4: I got this one.

1062
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 3: Man.

1063
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: I guess you didn't know he was gonna become a

1064
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: big no, she was.

1065
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: Come on, Rihanna was one of the most beautiful women

1066
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: you could lay your eyes on. So I knew once

1067
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: she get her face on camera, she get the songs.

1068
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: She needed or she rover.

1069
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it, Like, that's like, that's another anomaly, man,

1070
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: the Rihanna like, she's the like she came in and

1071
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: dominated the game. Man, Like, no, no foreigner I could say,

1072
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: came to America and really dominated like Rihanna did.

1073
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: But if you think about it music, she's you know,

1074
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: she started had a music background, but people don't really

1075
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: look at Rihanna for music now.

1076
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: No she gott yeah yeah bro, yes she damn there

1077
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 2: put victorious secrets on notice. Absolutely they better watch out.

1078
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 2: Do you remember when Hove got sued by the wrestler

1079
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: for doing that oh the diamond thing? Yeah, yeah, I

1080
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: remember that, but that's not his thing. I don't know why,

1081
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: why would you think you made this?

1082
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: That's delta sigma.

1083
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: I would have thought they would have tried to sue us,

1084
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: but they were stepping with us.

1085
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 4: You made your love for them.

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00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: Let me ask your question. I mean, I think the

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00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: first time I've ever heard beef, I don't know if

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00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: it was beef but a disc was when L L

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00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: and D. Yeah cool, that was really that was really

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00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: the first time. And you know, obviously Coulmo D got

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00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: into it. I think with cannabis you got it. Cannabis

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00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: uh hole and noads went back and forth. What was

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00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: the first time that you noticed like the disc? How

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00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: old were you when you found out like this and

1095
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: was like a thing? Oh man, young, I mean you

1096
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: were going off the bar. We going, you know, we

1097
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: ciphering okay, cool, But rap.

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00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 2: Started out as bad okay, like in the back park

1099
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: when the DJ played the music, two MC's grabbed the mic,

1100
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: one showcasing that he better than the other.

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00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 4: So it started out like that.

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00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: So that's when if you get into hip hop in

1103
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 2: any fashion, any form, you know, it's a competitive sport,

1104
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: like number one, It's like trying to be friends in basketball,

1105
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 2: footballs after the game.

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Speaker 4: We could chill, but when we get on them lines,

1107
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 4: it's warm.

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00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: I'm trying to knock your block, you.

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Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying. And that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: In So I just feel like they took the battle,

1111
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: and now it's in court beef. Isn't court now rapping?

1112
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Speaker 2: Like it's insane that you man win in the house

1113
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Speaker 2: road a Rome picked.

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Speaker 4: The beat and now he's going to court for that.

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Speaker 1: And look and there's been some great obviously uh uh

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00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: nods and hove going back and forth. You got tupacing Biggie, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and you're great legendary.

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Speaker 2: You got ice Cube and uh Wamega, I mean I

1119
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Speaker 2: said called Mega.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what's my man from Chicago. He gonna kill me? Now, man,

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00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 4: he's gonna kill.

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Speaker 1: Me because you know when when when NWA broke up

1123
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: and and Q left and did his thing and he

1124
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: came back with no Vassoline and.

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00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: He had major beef with Fumber no Vassoline one of

1126
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Speaker 2: the greatest diss records in history.

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Speaker 1: One of the greatest. I mean a lot of people

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Speaker 1: keep moving it down because it seemed like people don't

1129
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: think it if it didn't happen today, it wasn't important. No,

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00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: you had no vacoline and ether and all that respect.

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Speaker 1: Tupac hit him up that.

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Speaker 4: That was a heartbreaking record. I ain't like it.

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00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: I don't like it.

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Speaker 4: I was from Brooklyn.

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00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 2: I like it, but I ain't like it. Yes, common Sense,

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00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: thank you, my brother. Yeah, when Ice Cue and Common

1137
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: got into it, that was a good lyricol battle because

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Speaker 2: Common is super nice. Yeah, one of the nicest off

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00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: the top lyrics man. Nobody messing with Common sights.

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Speaker 1: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two

1141
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Speaker 1: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

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00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: podcast platform you just listen to Part one on. Just

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Speaker 1: simply go back to Club Shay profile and I'll see

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Speaker 1: you there.