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Speaker 1: welcome to Patriot's Unfiltered. No All, Alex Yeah did a

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Speaker 1: the show yesterday. Her favorite rappers is like she's a teen.

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Speaker 1: This is like my favorite draft crushes. It's like, I

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Speaker 1: funny coming from me. I didn't like the way he

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Speaker 1: snarkily sort of chastised us all. I would definitely give

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Speaker 1: Bill some credit for developing Tom Brady. Well. That has

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Speaker 1: turned into on Twitter someone saying that I said that

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Speaker 1: Brady Belichick made break, which is not what I said

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Speaker 1: and not what I meant. If it's exactly what you said,

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Speaker 1: this is one board, one bad, one board, and Bill

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Speaker 1: ultimately sets. Bill ultimately decides, and he might have guys

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't care what anyone cares. It is

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Speaker 1: This is Patriots Unfiltered, fueled by Duncan. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here at Gilette Stadium.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I don't know if the show is anything

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Speaker 1: like the pre show chat every we're wired up here,

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Speaker 1: are ready to go? Let's go? Yeah, got food already?

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Speaker 1: You got food. I didn't get fine QR codes as complications. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, there's a lot to talk about. Um. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Things will slow down with free agency. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: reveling in all of this. Yeah, well, I guess we

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Speaker 1: should bring up Pro Football Talk reporting this morning that

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Speaker 1: that Bill Belichick has floated Mac Jones's trade bait to

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Speaker 1: a few teams. Now, what's the source on this, But

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Speaker 1: causes discord within the Patriot when you open the show, like,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what I was thinking. I'm like, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick has refused to even acknowledge him as the

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Speaker 1: And I mean, it's just it's these things keep getting

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Speaker 1: kind of tree of I'm gonna drop up Garoppolo and

426
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: then we're gonna you know, maybe it lights a fire

427
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 1: under Tom's ask, Maybe it doesn't. Maybe it just Jimmy's

428
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: better than him, you know, like, is this is this

429
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 1: something not the same, but is this a similar kind

430
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 1: of thinking of I'm not going to give him the

431
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 1: credit he's now gonna get. You know, if you had

432
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: to see it, I think he honestly felt at that

433
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: time that Brady didn't have I totally agree for you

434
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: know five you know you had to say, hand on

435
00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 1: a bible. He drafted Garoppolo to set up fire under

436
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: Brady's ass or to replace Brady. What would you guess

437
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 1: I would go with Fredy. Yes, I think he thought

438
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: two sixteen or seventeen, Garoppolo is going to be my

439
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: quarter I need to start grooming a replacement. I think

440
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: he honestly felt that. That doesn't mean that I'm right,

441
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: but I don't think that he just drafted a guy

442
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 1: in the second round to sort of motivate Yeah, Brady,

443
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: are you right now? That's what happened, right, I think

444
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 1: it's inarguable that that's that was the result of it.

445
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: It's another example of those things that I talked about

446
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: before the show that every once in a while, you

447
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: do something and no matter what, it just works out. Yeah,

448
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 1: and Brady looks like like it's replacement. I've got another

449
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: ten years, you know. He always said he did, and

450
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: he did. It's just, you know what, For me, it's

451
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 1: the mounting tension. And every training camp we go into

452
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 1: is exciting and has interesting things that I'm excited to see.

453
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I've ever really felt this way

454
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: about there's gonna be tension this year in camp of

455
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: who's playing, where, what's going you know, is the offense

456
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: clicking better than it didn't last year? I mean, of course,

457
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: this is you've missed the playoffs two out of the

458
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: last three years. Like that's all part of it. But

459
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: every new little thing that comes out I just feel

460
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: the tension around here getting you know, not specific to us,

461
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: of course, but just that outlook the summer, it's gonna

462
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: be it's gonna be a free for all. I unless

463
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, there is like this trade thing is real,

464
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: or you know, and it happens. There's something. I really

465
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: think that Bill, before we see these guys out in

466
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: the field, they will move on. He'll throw some flowers

467
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: at Mac. I think, like, hell, like he's had a

468
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: great offseason. Whatever, we're excited. Yeah, whatever it is. Would

469
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: like the first ota we're out there and he's just

470
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: like throwing food cage. I can imagine they will just guy,

471
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, and they'll all be on the same page

472
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: by that comes out on his back like a piggyback,

473
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: like let's go by'll They'll all be on the same

474
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: page by May or you know, in a few weeks

475
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: when OTAs open up. I can't wait for those. I

476
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 1: had the internal optimism of Fred. That's all. That's all

477
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: I gotta say. I never know, I gotta tell you

478
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: normally I'm with Fred on those kinds of things that

479
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: always seem to work out. I think there are issues.

480
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: I think there are issues inside the structure, and I

481
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna get fixed overnight. I just no

482
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: longer have that trust. Like once upon a time we

483
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: all and Bill we trust is the old hashtag, But

484
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: we all just thought and knew in our heart of

485
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 1: hearts that he would do the right thing and that

486
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: they would figure it out. The only way I don't,

487
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: I don't I live like that anymore. The only the

488
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: only way it won't work is if Mac has really

489
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: made up his mind that I hate this place. Yeah,

490
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, he's been here almost every day working out,

491
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: so he's got to look at his phone and see, oh,

492
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: they almost traded me. So I just gotta admit, I

493
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: just gotta believe that Bill will have this sit down

494
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: if it hasn't happened already. Like you know, Mac, last

495
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: year sucked, I admit it. It's gonna be better this year.

496
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: O'Brien's here. You know, we're gonna you know, we're gonna

497
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: be okay. Let's let's we're on to twenty twenty three.

498
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: And that's why, Like I think that that might be possible,

499
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: Like I think that there's it's possible that Mac knows

500
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: the real story. They've had it, you know, but I

501
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: still think of like a person like his girlfriend Sophie,

502
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: who is going to see these things, and like, you know,

503
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: when you try to explain things at work to your

504
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: spouse and you're like, no, no, it's no, it's not

505
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: it's fine, I know, and it's well, it doesn't seem

506
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: like it to me. You know. That's and that's a

507
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: voice in his ear, and it's it's hard. It's a

508
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: hard balancing act. And I just I wonder where his

509
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: headspace really is right now. I'm sure he's doing all

510
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: the right things in terms of working out and you know,

511
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: getting his body in shape, and you know, I hopefully

512
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: his mind is ready to go and is focused on

513
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: this season because it's it's it's challenging. But I was

514
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: gonna ask you having to do like what are the like,

515
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: what where did you go out on Bill? Was it

516
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: just last year with the offense, it was just the

517
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: Maddie pe thing last year, or was it kind of

518
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: like I mean, I assume that there's been a few

519
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,959
Speaker 1: different things for you that have kind of I mean,

520
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: especially I would probably guess that Nikkil Harry would be

521
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: would be probably a pretty big strike in your book

522
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: on him too. But what else, what else is it?

523
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: That's it? You got number one. The first thing was

524
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: draft night twenty nineteen when you drafted nickil Harry over

525
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf and deebo set we don't have to do

526
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: this again twenty nineteen Draft night. That was strike one.

527
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: Strike two was forcing Brady out. That was strike two.

528
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: And I would say strike three is a culmination of

529
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: the last three seasons of watching them just basically rebuild

530
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: and only one person's mindset as the right way to

531
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: rebuild and not really not just not do enough to

532
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: make this team better. And then the final nail on

533
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: the coffin was was the whole thing last year? Like Patricia,

534
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: that was And I'm not saying that I'm like out

535
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: on Bill, like you know that you know, should be

536
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: fired or anything like that, but that was the point

537
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: where I no longer trusted Bill to do the right thing,

538
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: and I no longer I became a skeptic then, because

539
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: before that, I mean, he could do no wrong in

540
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: my eyes. Strange Pick probably too that one, yeah, oh yeah,

541
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: Cole strange Pick, Yeah, add that to it. Just a

542
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: laundry list of things that he's done since basically twenty nineteen.

543
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: Where we are now at the point where he no

544
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: longer has the benefit of the doubt for me, Like

545
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: now you're you're proving yourself all over again to to

546
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: me like that really matters. But yeah, that's where I'm at,

547
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: all right. So it's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot.

548
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: I mean about the draft though, I mean that's exciting. Yeah. Well, okay,

549
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: so last night, um at the Red Sox game, Uh

550
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: and Smith and Jing the Jing perfect his brother is

551
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: on the Pirates and um brothers a big dude. Yeah

552
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: for baseball player. Yeah, so he Jackson Smith and Jigbo's

553
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: at Fenoy last night with the Red Sox. Guess where

554
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: he's not coming here. He's already here, Like you don't

555
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: even need to pay for the flight. He already came

556
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: on his own right. But he did say when they

557
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: interviewed him that they treated me really well. Yeah, the

558
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: people at Fenway treated him really well. Okay, he's not

559
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: coming to meet with the Patriots. When I don't pay

560
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: attention to the social media as much, I just assumed

561
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: that he was here for a visit and coincided with playing. Nope,

562
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: total total, he is. He is not here to meet

563
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: with anybody with the Patriots and you know that was

564
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: here though? Wow was he? Is that a joke? Well,

565
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: we did have him for a tryout. All you gotta

566
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: do is send an uber for the kid and bring

567
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: him in. You're allowed thirty visits. Yes, okay, so what

568
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: if you were what if the books written on this guy?

569
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: You know he's he's available, will take him. I don't

570
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: need him here, I would talk to I would prefer

571
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: to meet with the top wide receiver in the draft

572
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: when it might be the biggest need on my board,

573
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: and he also might just happen to be the best

574
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: player the board. Yeah, but like that, those are the

575
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: ten minute conversations. Okay, but maybe they they've the research

576
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: is in on him, and maybe they don't need to

577
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: see him again. You know, maybe I don't know. I

578
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean they have. They're having Jordan Addison here tomorrow.

579
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: He's coming in for a visit. Smoke screen and they've

580
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: obviously really get it, really gotten works. They've really gotten

581
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: to nose flowers throughout the whole process at the Shrine

582
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: Bowl and get things like that screen so you don't

583
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: have to waste. Then we go out at TCS TCUs

584
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: Pro Day and uh and Bill and macro are chumming

585
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: it up with Quentin Johnston. Fine, that stood out to me. Cool,

586
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: that stood out to me. Yeah, just because I don't think,

587
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: like I mean, when you see those guys all at Alabama,

588
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: all right, and I know that that there's guys that's

589
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: TCU two, But I don't know, I just go and

590
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: I know we feel similar about Johnston, but just seeing

591
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: them both there and they kind of had like these

592
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: little grins on their face, I don't know. I I

593
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: just I can't rule I can't rule that guy out

594
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: based on the interest that the guy that they take. Yeah,

595
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: because now this is this goes to a philosophical question

596
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: I've been wondering about. Is do you think that they're

597
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: continuing just to hammer We think defenses are getting small

598
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: and we want to go size. We want size. If

599
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: he played big, yeah, then I then I could hear that.

600
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: But he doesn't play like a six foot two receiver.

601
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: He plays like a five foot eleven receiver in a

602
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: six foot two receiver's body. You know when when you

603
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: watch him. In other words, he has good quickness and

604
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: he's no, he just doesn't play the ball down the

605
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: field like he doesn't take advantage of him. No, exactly. Okay,

606
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: so a lot of his catches down the field, he

607
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: let's get into his body instead of going up and

608
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: plucking it out of the air, like you know Davante

609
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: Park does on a contested cash down the sideline. He

610
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: one of his bigger concerns on film is that he

611
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: lets the ball come into his body and he doesn't

612
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: really attack the football in the air, so he doesn't

613
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: play to his size down the field. It just that

614
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: that that's you know, my feelings on him don't have

615
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: to but even not just to him. I mean, you know,

616
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: I'm talking about GHISICKI um, you know, even Juju to

617
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: an extent, like you know what I mean, it's just

618
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: they just don't really seem to care about the note

619
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: want to say, Zay Flowers. But the guys like that anymore,

620
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: you know, like they just don't really have an interest

621
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: everybody that they're looking. It's like it started when the

622
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: Keel Harry. You know. It's just and that's why I'm like,

623
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: why are they continuing? I think that this philosophy it

624
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: transcends the Maddy p offense. It seems like this is

625
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: and that's all that I could come up with was

626
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: just that they feel like the league is headed towards

627
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: smaller defensive backs and we want to go with size.

628
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: And I mean, this seems like what you're four or

629
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: five that they're trying to do it. It doesn't really

630
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: seem to work. But I just I have to come

631
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: up with a reason of why are they ignoring these

632
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 1: kind of players that we all see as the Patriot

633
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: it's kind of guys like you know, like is it anymore?

634
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't know. I don't know

635
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: what they're looking at. It's a fair point. I just

636
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: there are way too many And Quinn Johnson might end

637
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: up being DK metcalf right, he might have being a

638
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: fantastic player, but there's just way too many parallels in

639
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: his game to Nikil Harry's game. And you just even

640
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: if it's just to avoid making the same mistake twice,

641
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: I just don't know how that ends up being your guy.

642
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: Even even if you think, oh, he's a lot, you know,

643
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: his feet are much quicker, he doesn't run like he's

644
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: in quicksand like this that, and you like you have

645
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: to you have to avoid making the same being a

646
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: error repeater right. I mean, how do you just go

647
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: right back down that road again? I just can't imagine that.

648
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: All right, five five Pats five hundred is the ACE ticket,

649
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: hut line, web radio at patriot dot com is email address.

650
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: Let's get to the phones. By the way, it's deuced.

651
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: It's Evan, it's Paul. It's me, No Tamara, no Alex

652
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: today because the cameras are off. Ryan's in New Jersey.

653
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: What's up? Good shot? Hey guys, Hey, good good to

654
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: have you aboard, Evan. Um, I got a couple of

655
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: things I want to vent on about Bell. So number

656
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: one is it seems like Bill has successfully this offseason

657
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: shifted the blame from his decision about Patricia to Mac.

658
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: Number two. You're gonna have to clarify that because how

659
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: is the fair point? How has he done that by

660
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: shopping Max? What are you talking about Patricia anymore? Bill's

661
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: never come out and said why he made the decision.

662
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: I've never heard him say it was a bad decision.

663
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: I did this. Well, his action says it was a

664
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: bad decision at people don't think it was his actually right, Well,

665
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean whatever, But now Bill O'Brien is the offensive

666
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: coordinator and it's not Matt Patricia's. So if Bill thought

667
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: that that was the right decision, Matt Patricia would still

668
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: be the offensive coordinator here. Not necessarily, I can only

669
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: speak on what the actions. But if it was an

670
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: edict from above, if if if well, I know, but

671
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: let's let's look at some of the you know, circumstantial stuff,

672
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: like they put out a release saying they're going to

673
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: be looking for a new offensive co winner. If they've

674
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: ever done that before. No, but I mean maybe the

675
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: owner made you know, that was the owner's decision. But

676
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: I think that I think Bill realize that it didn't work.

677
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he's not I think he realized

678
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: it didn't work. But that doesn't necessarily mean he didn't

679
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: think it couldn't work. Yeah, if Mac would have just

680
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: gone on right, And I kind of agree with Ryan.

681
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: And this was like part of the story that Gasper

682
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: wrote today, the column that he had in The Globe

683
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: was that it it's sort of like a shifting between

684
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: Bill and Robert Kraft to sort of like absolve themselves

685
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: of responsibility for the you know, the the drop off.

686
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: And I think it's much more on the part of

687
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: Bill Um because Robert's just the owner. I'm like, he's

688
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: not doing all of these football decisions, you know. And

689
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: I do think that if these kinds of reports are accurate,

690
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: and that's a big if. I don't know if Florio's

691
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: report is accurate, but I think Ryan's right, And to

692
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: sort of extrapolate, if you're dangling your quarterback, you're sort

693
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: of trying to tell people, wasn't my fault. It wasn't

694
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: because I made Matt Patricia the offensive coordinator. This guy's

695
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 1: not any good. Yeah, that's why I'm trying to trade them.

696
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: If that's yeah, Okay, go ahead, Ryan, and ye so um.

697
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: The thing about Mac going outside the building, and I've

698
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: listened to a lot of people talking about it, and

699
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: everybody's got their point. But as a leader, at the end,

700
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: my question is, do you think Bill knew that Mac

701
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: and the offense weren't getting the answers that they needed,

702
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: or do you think in his mind the reason he

703
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: is mad is because hey, me and my coaching staff

704
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: were providing you guys everything, you don't get it? Or

705
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: do you think he said, you know, it just seems

706
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: to me that you know, he's and all bent out

707
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: of shape. But did he know that they were struggling?

708
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: And if he knew they were struggling, why shouldn't he

709
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: take any responsibility for it? Why couldn't he say? That's

710
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: on me. Max shouldn't have had to do that, that's

711
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: on me. It seems again like if he new and

712
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: just let it happen, that's horrible. If he didn't know,

713
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: that's even worse. I mean, I think he had to know.

714
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: I mean, if they were like a lot of execution issues.

715
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: There were just such sloppy football last year, so many

716
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: stupid mistakes over and over and poor situational awareness, just

717
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: things that you would put under other you know, just

718
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: on one occasion, you know, concussing one of them. I

719
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: don't know how you could look at that. I mean,

720
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: I like, I get execution stuff, all right, we had

721
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: the right play and this guy just did the wrong thing,

722
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: and that that's not a coaching thing. That's just a

723
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: player screwing up in the moment. But to me, there

724
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: were just too many issues. We just don't know the details.

725
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: You know, Bill could say, listen, you know you've got

726
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: to come to me. You come to me now. Maybe

727
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: Mac did and he didn't get the right answer, or

728
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: Build said he didn't have time whatever. I don't know,

729
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: but it also could be that he was just mad

730
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: that he didn't come to him with all these It's

731
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: also indicative of the two camps though, that have been created.

732
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: And this is why I'm with Evan and less optimistic

733
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: about the fixes than you are. Like so, like Mike said,

734
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: you can have mac Jones and you can look at

735
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: that and say, well, you know, he's he's taking the

736
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: bull by the horns. He knows there's a problem, and

737
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: he's trying to fix it. He's trying to figure out

738
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: ways that he can get about it. He's just trying

739
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: to improve. Or you can look at it from the

740
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: other camp and say, this is in subordination. This guy

741
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: is not loyal to our program and our coaches, and

742
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: he's not even given it a chance. And I'm not

743
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: telling you one of those is right or wrong. But

744
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: the two diametrically opposed camps. Sure, and that's an issue.

745
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: And I think that they play they'd like that all year. Yeah,

746
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: And that was the bigger point. Is this just there

747
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: was no buying, Like you could just tell buying. The

748
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: players had no buying, They had no trust that if

749
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: they did, like it's just if they did what the

750
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: coaches were prescribing to them. They I don't think they

751
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: believed that it would be successful. And I mean I

752
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: think the things remarkable to me is like you just

753
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: you go back to, like a lot of times we

754
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: like speculated these things. I go back to last summer

755
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: when we speculated Kendrick Bourne and where did he come from,

756
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: Kyle Shannon, you know, those kind of things, and at

757
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: the time you're like, I don't know. But in retrospect

758
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: now you start to put those dots together in your life.

759
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: And how do you think thinks about it? You know,

760
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: he's thinking that the coaching's there, the executions lacking. And

761
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: if you think that that's wrong, think about what another

762
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: comment that he made when you were out there, Mike

763
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: in Arizona about kmay Cord. Coach is not the problem.

764
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: Coaches the problem. In twenty twenty, we had best special

765
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: teams in the league. Okay, so the coaching didn't do

766
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: anything wrong last year to allow three kick returns for

767
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: a touchdown, a block punt and running into the punter,

768
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: that was largely responsible for you losing it. Like there

769
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: were a lot of breakdowns on special teams last year.

770
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: Coaching wasn't responsible for any of them. Yeah, because he was.

771
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: The special teams were good in twenty twenty, which, by

772
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: the way, resulted in like one great game when all

773
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 1: chef's got crazy against the Chargers. I mean, I don't know, Yeah,

774
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: we are we giving a chord credit for like Marcus

775
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: Jones returning a punt as time expires and that's like

776
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 1: proof that he's great or was it like a good block,

777
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: like a blocking scheme it was. I'm not like, I'm

778
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: not dismissing that ever it I'm not trying to be unfair.

779
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: But you have good blocking schemes and you get a

780
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: twenty five yard return, he took an eighty seven yards

781
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: or whatever it was touchdown to win a game. I

782
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think Bill. Bill might be in a

783
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: tough spot, you know, because his decision didn't work, you know,

784
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: and it was a coaching decision, and so now he's

785
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: desperately trying to keep you know, the coaches together, and

786
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: so the last thing he wants to do is, you know,

787
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: be talking bad about about coaches right now, you know, um,

788
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: because he realizes that it's fragile. You know. I've I've

789
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: got to correct what happened last year, and I'm not

790
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: going to correct it by blaming coaches in public. Frank

791
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: can blame the players, well, you know, I whatever. But

792
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: I just think that he's he might be in a

793
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: difficult in his mind, he might be in a difficult situation.

794
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 1: I just think what's hard, too, is that it feels

795
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: like I'm want to say you're better than this, but like,

796
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, these things, like you know all these like

797
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: a lot of this just seems so self inflicted when

798
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: you could you could avoid some of this drama and maybe,

799
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, keep your quarterback at least focused on what's

800
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: going on here, here and now, rather than you know,

801
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: running the social media every twenty minutes to find out

802
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: what the latest is on how the Patriots feel about

803
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: about him. Like, I don't know, Bill, it's it's been

804
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: some head scratcher decisions. I mean, I like the draft

805
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: stuff we talked about people miss on draft picks, Like

806
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: I get it, it's it's you know, but last year,

807
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: to me, that doesn't happen, Like you don't decide to

808
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: stick guys that haven't done things before. And I mean

809
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: all I said last offseason was everything should be towards

810
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, build around Mac Jones. We got to find

811
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: out about this kid. We're saying a lot of that

812
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: stuff now too. And maybe that's true on the field,

813
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: but off the field, I don't feel like they're doing

814
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,959
Speaker 1: everything they can to make sure he's successful. I feel

815
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: like they're just piling stuff up against him and making

816
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: it harder. All right, Mike drop, there we go. Okay,

817
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: next cut, Fred looking at his watch. Next up is

818
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: Rashod in Baltimore. What's up, Rashad? Hey? What's up? Very rad? Hey? First,

819
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: I definitely got Evan hit everything on the nose and

820
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: he would talk about high fell out with Bill because

821
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: that's pretty much that's pretty much whast thought it, and

822
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: he pretty much at all the brother points the twenty

823
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: nineteen draft, and y'all can because y'all can correct me

824
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. But well, I know Lamar was in

825
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: that draft because I wanted Lamar, but was a J.

826
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: Brown in that draft. Lamar was twenty eight and I

827
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: and was the end of the draft. Lamar was twenty

828
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: but a J. Brown. He was Harry was with the

829
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: that was twenty nineteen largely considered one of the greatest

830
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: wide receiver drafts in recent memory, and I got the

831
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: only one who couldn't play, not the Laman Williams. I

832
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: didn't say, it was the only one that was a

833
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: really good receiver draft. I ended up being. Of course,

834
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: week we get the worst of the bunch, ye of

835
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: the high pack, and he's I mean, I don't think

836
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: he's in on a team now, and to kill by

837
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: the way. But but I'm saying all that to say,

838
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: I think you got the worst of the probably the

839
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: worst drafting receiver in that class, Perry. So I'm like,

840
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: maybe we can get you know, maybe we can get him,

841
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: but we got to kill. But he wanted to kill her.

842
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know, I didn't like it, but

843
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: it's Bill. And then Brady's on. He you know, he

844
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: didn't want Bred because that's what he wants, and he

845
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 1: didn't want Brady anymore. So I'm like, Okay, that's that's

846
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848
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850
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851
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852
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Speaker 1: because Fred earlier, you would saying, you know, he's doing

853
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857
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Speaker 1: So it's it's a lot of things with Bill, and

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861
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862
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Speaker 1: getting a fair chance. He's pretty i mean, he pretty

863
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Speaker 1: much being set up to fail. And I don't really

864
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865
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866
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Speaker 1: on because is he like is he the answer? Like all,

867
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Speaker 1: we're gonna keep doing this one two years, you know,

868
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Speaker 1: and we like to find another quarterback. Oh, welcome to

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Speaker 1: a lot of the NFL. I mean that's what happens,

870
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Speaker 1: into this kind of purgatory quarterback purgatory. Even if he

873
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Speaker 1: wasn't the right guy. I feel like I feel like

874
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Speaker 1: everything that Bill has done has pretty much like pushed

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Speaker 1: him down, even if he wasn't the right guy. Thing

876
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Speaker 1: like he could have he could have been a better

877
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Speaker 1: quarterback if Bill would have If if Bill would have

878
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Speaker 1: just I don't know how to see it, but if

879
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Speaker 1: he would have just helped him more, like, you know,

880
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Speaker 1: it's just it just feel like Bill's ego is is

881
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Speaker 1: pretty much going to be the downfall of him, all right, thanks, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think it got to be a power struggle,

883
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Speaker 1: and I think you know, it was a clash, and

884
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Speaker 1: you know, both sides dug their heels in during the season,

885
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: and you know, Bill just couldn't see himself, you know,

886
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887
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888
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: just I just think we're getting to the point where

889
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: there is now mounting evidence that Bill Belichick, the offensive mind,

890
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: might not be very good at coaching offense or knowing

891
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: offense in general. Defensively, no one has any you can't

892
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: question a single thing about that man on that side

893
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: of the football. But offensively without Tom Brady, whether it

894
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: was in Cleveland or it was here, it hasn't been

895
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: very good offensively for Bill without Tom Brady. And at

896
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Speaker 1: some point you have to look at not only how

897
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Speaker 1: he's handled this situation in terms of personalities, but just

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Speaker 1: in terms of talent, evaluation and overall just to you know, scheme, talent,

899
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Speaker 1: all those types of things. I just don't know. I

900
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Speaker 1: don't know where I'm at anymore with does does Bill

901
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Speaker 1: know what he's doing on that side of the football?

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Speaker 1: Chris and Scottsdale? What's up? Chris? Hey, guys, um, It's

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Speaker 1: always an interesting conversation. And I'm hoping you can hear me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: It's always an interesting conversation when when we hear the

906
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Speaker 1: talk about Bill and uh, you know, sort of the

907
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: grasp on the team and control and so on and

908
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: so forth. And I've been kind of beating this drum

909
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910
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Speaker 1: it was it was very clear. There was lots of evidence,

911
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, to Evan Evans point, you know, with the

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913
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914
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Speaker 1: you know, we keep talking about it, but at some point,

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Speaker 1: you know, and and just to make a quick comment,

916
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Speaker 1: I don't kind of bouncing around a little bit here,

917
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Speaker 1: but a comment on the quarterback, you know, with Jones, Um,

918
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Speaker 1: I've really even though things have been unfair for him,

919
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Speaker 1: I don't really dig the way that like he's handled

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921
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Speaker 1: for an NFL team, you know, And he's a young guy,

922
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Speaker 1: and I can appreciate all that. And the pressure that's

923
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924
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925
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926
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Speaker 1: you're done. So to sit here in toil and waste time.

927
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Speaker 1: It doesn't shock me that that he's been shopped around. Um.

928
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Speaker 1: But but to Evan's point, you know, and some of

929
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Speaker 1: the callers that have been, you know, expressing their frustration,

930
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: it's like when is enough? Is enough? Is enough? With Bill? Like,

931
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Speaker 1: I'm completely completely I've been kind of over it, but

932
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm really feeling like there really needs to be an

933
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: outside change, you know, complete change, And I just want

934
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Speaker 1: to get your thoughts. Well, you know, we were always

935
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: warned that, you know, Bill's style works when you're winning,

936
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Speaker 1: but you know the test is when things aren't going well.

937
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Speaker 1: And I would just say, right, your record is who

938
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Speaker 1: you are, you know. I mean, look at his record

939
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: without Brady Man, I mean, look at it. Yeah, yeah,

940
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Speaker 1: I just I mean, I don't I don't really want

941
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: to defend mac Jones, but I also just would like

942
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943
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Speaker 1: I have a little bit of a different perspective on

944
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Speaker 1: mac Jones's frustration and acting out. I'm not excusing it.

945
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Speaker 1: I didn't love it at the time, but I also

946
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947
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948
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: a chance right now, Like we don't really know what

949
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Speaker 1: we're doing. And I can't imagine what it's like to

950
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951
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Speaker 1: lot on the line in those games to not have

952
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Speaker 1: full confidence in what you're about to do. What we

953
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Speaker 1: don't know is if Mac had handled it better, Yeah,

954
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Speaker 1: would Bill have been more accommodating to him and more

955
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956
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Speaker 1: think both things can be true. I think I can

957
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Speaker 1: completely under stand his frustrations and not agree at all

958
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959
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960
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961
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: what do we do? And right then you just that's

962
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Speaker 1: way too late to where I really would question mac

963
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964
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965
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Speaker 1: That's the way it looked. Yeah, that's the way. That's

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Speaker 1: now great moments in history. They will they will not

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Speaker 1: be vicious attacks on Bill O'Brien. Drop him. I disagree.

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00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: I think he's under a lot of pressure. This offense

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Speaker 1: I think people will be here with pitchforks and torches

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Speaker 1: for who for the for Bill Belichick, Okay, Bill O'Brien,

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Speaker 1: and for Mac Jones. We'll see good, We'll see what

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Speaker 1: You gotta divvy it up. It's it's tough out Felon

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Speaker 1: Mac if he if he, if they have the same

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Speaker 1: cast of characters back on offense, you gotta get him.

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00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: Jim Chase, he keeps saying, teflon Mac and I still

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Speaker 1: here on his shows. The people who call in are

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Speaker 1: at least fifty fifty on that subject. That Max's not

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Speaker 1: the guy. Wait a minute, I hear that all the way.

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Speaker 1: Are you comparing like the calls? Yeah, the callers, Okay,

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Speaker 1: the fans, the people who spend the money to come

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00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: to the game. That's not a cross section of the people.

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00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: The people who call those shows, yeah, are almost entirely negative. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: because because I see you talking, you're talking about the people,

1140
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Speaker 1: the media people, the people who cover the deaby. I'm

1141
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: gonna have a round table in my living room. You

1142
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Speaker 1: can come. We're gonna talk about Matt. Who else am

1143
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Speaker 1: I are you listening to about this? I don't I

1144
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Speaker 1: get about the media. This is talking at This is

1145
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Speaker 1: not hard to understand. I'm not talking about the media.

1146
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: Like Tom Curran said, you could trade Mac Jones over

1147
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: Robert Craft's dead body two days ago. Right, like, so

1148
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: he's accomplished so much, you don't we can't even broach

1149
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Speaker 1: the topic that if someone came to the Patriots looking

1150
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: to deal for Mac. We can't even listen. Again, I

1151
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: don't care what the media says. Okay, well that's the

1152
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Speaker 1: only talking about the paying public. Okay, Well, you have

1153
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: no way of knowing what the pay in public thinks.

1154
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: I do when they call in the show that is

1155
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Speaker 1: over the top negativity fred on Sports Radio, Come on,

1156
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's fifty fifty. It's not over the top.

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01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: It's over the top negativity for the most part. The

1158
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Speaker 1: hosts are about five minutes later. I gotta I gotta

1159
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: find these Max super fans. I don't I don't haven't seen.

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Speaker 1: I don't seen a lot of them. They're not allowed allowed. Well,

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Speaker 1: he thinks that everybody's a Max superfan. Teflon Mackie called him. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about fans. I don't know why you

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Speaker 1: keep bringing up fans. I'm talking about the people who

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Speaker 1: cover the team. But who can you name me one

1165
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Speaker 1: guy who covers the team that thinks that they should

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Speaker 1: move on from Mac Jones. I'd have to look, I'd

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Speaker 1: have to look at my notes. That's another great moment

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Speaker 1: Joe rights and from San Antonio. I can't listen live,

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Speaker 1: so if y'all have already talked about this, please accept

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Speaker 1: my apologies. Read a story reporting that Tommy Current said

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Speaker 1: the apparent outside source that mac Jones was talking was

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Speaker 1: talking to was Brian Hoyer. The report painted his part true,

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Speaker 1: part opinion from Current, but wanted to get your thoughts

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Speaker 1: about this possible story and it being the cause for

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Speaker 1: Hoyer's release. No, okay, I think you're mixed up. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: go ahead. Yeah. I think that was two different things.

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Speaker 1: One was that I didn't see him say that they

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Speaker 1: were talking in Alabama. But the Hoyer thing was that

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Speaker 1: Hoyer was on the same page as everybody, being like,

1183
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: this is messed up, we don't know what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: And then that's what they got rid of him for.

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Speaker 1: And now he just signed with the Raiders, by the

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Speaker 1: way today, it was a two year deal, So I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I think they were just kind of conflating. Well,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't interesting because Howyer got the concussion

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01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: in the Packers game, right, and you never saw him

1190
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 1: again gone forever. You never saw him again. We saw

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01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 1: him walking around and stuff. Yeah, never, never in uniform. Never.

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Speaker 1: Current opined that the reason that he was never activated

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Speaker 1: again was because they were done with him, because, as

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Speaker 1: Mike said, he was on team Mac right in that

1195
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Speaker 1: camp where the coaches didn't know what they were talking

1196
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Speaker 1: about and he wasn't doing anything. They helped the situation,

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01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: which to me, Carrie's more way because Brian Hoyer has

1198
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Speaker 1: been all over the place in this league and if

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Speaker 1: you know, no offense to Mac, but he's you know,

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Speaker 1: he's only ever been here. If you have a quarterback

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Speaker 1: who's been in multiple different systems, he's been in the

1202
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: league for over twenty twelve years and that he's not

1203
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: buying in like see, these are the things that like

1204
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: do you not know? What's the coaches? Why? I don't.

1205
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: I don't completely blame it all on Mac because I

1206
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Speaker 1: think that they were right. I just don't think they

1207
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: were right in the way they handled it and responded

1208
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: to it. But I think they were right initially, and

1209
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: you go back to that story that, you know, the

1210
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Speaker 1: kind of postmodem that the Herald had with Andrew Callahan

1211
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Speaker 1: and Karen and you know them talking about the number

1212
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Speaker 1: of plays that were installed in training camp, even like

1213
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Speaker 1: routine Monday and things that veterans like Brian Hoyer would say,

1214
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Speaker 1: this isn't right. It's August fifteenth. We should be here

1215
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: and we're only here, like there's something wrong. They know

1216
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: when you're around an NFL team enough, you know we

1217
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: know this Like every year when training camp starts, how

1218
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Speaker 1: where did they start? Mike, Like, because we're not idiots,

1219
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Speaker 1: we watch the plays. I don't know what every play

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Speaker 1: is called, but I watch how they start training camp

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Speaker 1: every year. And if all of a sudden they start

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Speaker 1: this year and there's like no red zone work, I'll

1223
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Speaker 1: be like, wow, that's different. Well, I mean that's like

1224
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Speaker 1: I mean, they said that point too, Like in my

1225
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: notes that I took this year from the training camps,

1226
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Speaker 1: like a lot of wide zone, Like they would just

1227
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: come in and it would just be like a session

1228
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: of just wide zone, right wide zone, left, wide zone,

1229
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: right wide zone left. So a guy like Brian Hoyer,

1230
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Speaker 1: to your point is he's gonna know like I know

1231
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: this system, I know other systems. This is where we

1232
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: should be. We're not doing the things to prepare for

1233
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: the season. And I think even some of the guys,

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Speaker 1: the anonymous quotes in that story were like, we didn't

1235
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Speaker 1: have enough plays to go into Miami. We didn't felt

1236
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: like we had enough plays installed. And that just carries

1237
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Speaker 1: Why is Brian Hoyer here right like? He's here because

1238
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: he's an experienced quarterback that can be a sounding board

1239
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: to Mac if you've lost that guy who also has

1240
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: been plenty of time in New England, knows how Bill

1241
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: Belichick is, knows how this works, knows probably the gravity

1242
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: of what it's gonna you know, what's gonna go down

1243
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: if he expresses dissatisfaction with his coaching that he's receiving, Like,

1244
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,959
Speaker 1: it's just to me, that carries a lot of weight,

1245
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: a lot of weight. It's the one thing we can

1246
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: all just say, Oh, it's just Mac being a whiny

1247
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: second year kid and he doesn't want to do what

1248
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: they want him to do. But you know, if it's

1249
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback who's been around the block, has been

1250
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: here plenty and he's not buying in. I think that

1251
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,479
Speaker 1: says a lot more too, and Karin opines that that's

1252
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: why Hoyer was let go and they ate money to

1253
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, it was like, what was their paying

1254
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: him one point four million to not be here? Everything

1255
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: that I was able to piece together throughout the season

1256
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: was that it was really related to two different things

1257
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: that in season I think the players felt was the

1258
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: big is concerned. One was corrections. I think that they

1259
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: felt like they weren't getting corrected and bad habits were

1260
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: seeping in. I think this particularly point pointed to the

1261
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: receivers right in the room where they're supposed to be

1262
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: running around at at five yards and it's round to

1263
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: get off at six, and no one's standing there saying, hey,

1264
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: that's not that's not how we do it right, That's

1265
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: that's not that's not how we're supposed to run this route.

1266
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: And I think the second thing that was really unanimous

1267
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: across the board in the offensive line room was the

1268
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,479
Speaker 1: past protection scheme and the way that they stripped down

1269
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: Max tools, David Andrews's tools at the line of scrimmage

1270
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: to sniff out blitzes and move protections and reset mic

1271
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: points and things like that, and they felt like they

1272
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 1: basically just called a protection in the huddle, got to

1273
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, snapped the football, and whatever happened

1274
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: post snap happened post snap, and there wasn't a whole

1275
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: lot Paul in between. Paul is pointing to NFL Now,

1276
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: which is on our TV, which has Land zero Line's

1277
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: latest mock draft, with the Patriots selecting Anthony Richardson quarterback

1278
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: Florida at fourteenth overall, which is like, I mean, I

1279
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: think that there now, that means the Patriots. If that happens,

1280
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: the Patriots traded out. I know they're showing the Patriots logo,

1281
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: but there's no way I think go back to a

1282
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: place though, where like I think the max selection, I

1283
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: think we're all like it's kind of a safe pick.

1284
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: You know what, He's got a high floor, Like this

1285
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: is what we're talking about, where you know Richardson, It's like,

1286
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't you rather see the greatest coach of all time

1287
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: working with just a raw piece of me that could

1288
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: be something amazing rather than like, let's just work with

1289
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: Them's gonna say, I don't have any faith in the offense.

1290
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: Douche touche, Let's go back to the phone eight five

1291
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: five Pats five hundred, Williams and Philham. What's up? William?

1292
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: Tell you Fred? How are you doing? All right? All

1293
01:06:55,880 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: right again? All right? Man? The news? Uh? Um? So? Evan?

1294
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: Uh so, why are you upset? Evan? I mean why

1295
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: I knew that. I knew this was coming, Evan. I

1296
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: mean you didn't see this coming. What do you mean

1297
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: I didn't see this coming? Like you didn't see like well,

1298
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: I mean the report if it's true, and when I

1299
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: if mac is being traded or whatever the case may be.

1300
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: My thing was, you know when he crossed that mind,

1301
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: I knew it. Man. I just build when you don't,

1302
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: when you ain't paid for to build, this is what

1303
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: you get. I'm not surprised. I'm just I'm totally not

1304
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna be surprised. But are you happy

1305
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: with it? Yeah? And there's a difference between thank you no,

1306
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: because then we ain't got a quarter bit. No. But

1307
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean you could say that you're not surprised because

1308
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: but like, is that the proper reaction from a coach? No?

1309
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: But I mean but it was No, it's not No,

1310
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: it's I'm not happy about it. That's if that's time

1311
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: downding to you, Paul. It's just the fact I knew

1312
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: it though, you know what I mean, I knew since

1313
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: since Mac trying to get information outside that organization. I

1314
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: knew somewhere was going to happen. That's it. I didn't.

1315
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: I didn't push it as much. I just said a

1316
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: little bit to Paton. I said, I wouldn't be supplied

1317
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: if Mac Jones get traded, and man, look, look divorce

1318
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: were coming out. I don't think any of us are surprised. No.

1319
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: I think we actually talked about it in January when

1320
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: I think there was that room around the Senior Bowl

1321
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: that that the Raiders might be potentially interesting. I mean, like,

1322
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: I think that it's obvious the reasons or the I

1323
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: don't think there's any shock factor in this report this morning.

1324
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: I just think there's, from my point of view, disappointment

1325
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: that this is this is what we're doing, and this

1326
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: is how we're handling the situation. If it is true,

1327
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:45,799
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, So what can I tell you what next? Okay,

1328
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: what's next? Kendrick Bourne might be next? You mean in

1329
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: terms of being traded. Buddies out the door. Yeah, you

1330
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: don't see it. Oh, Hunter, Henry still Hill, James Andrews

1331
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: still here? Who Andrews Hunter, Henry Hunt anyway? I mean yeah,

1332
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,719
Speaker 1: I mean I'm just going about well his like Damian Harris,

1333
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: Jakobe Meyers Mac now for some read but whatever. I

1334
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: hope that don't happen, but yeah, because I mean he

1335
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: goes to where else people have success and where I'm

1336
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: guaranteed who is this? And I don't I don't know.

1337
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't know if the thing is faull no, Mike,

1338
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: he mean, I just don't know what to think about

1339
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: the team at this point. I'm just I'm my hands

1340
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 1: was up in the air with it, like you know.

1341
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, William, thanks for the car, appreciate it.

1342
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: Let's go to Todd and Greenville. What's up Todd? Hello?

1343
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: Hello Todd? You guys here, you guys? Hello? Hear me? Yes,

1344
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: hello Todd speak Sorry in the car. Car doesn't work. Well,

1345
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: it's old like me. Okay. So I went to university

1346
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: with this buddy of mine who's a big guts fan,

1347
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: and I've convinced him a while back to listen to

1348
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: your show. Story. Excellent. Well, here's the here's the moral.

1349
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: Of the story. We're now the Jets unfiltered. We have

1350
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:15,799
Speaker 1: all the Jets problems, controversy with coaches, controversy with the players,

1351
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: players not all buying in, everything going sideways. I think

1352
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: it does. Mister Kraft's gonna have to step in and say, hey, guys,

1353
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: you know that, Uh, that's got to stop. I think

1354
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 1: it's got to come from him. I think the next

1355
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: step right now, or mister Kraft doing intervention and before

1356
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: the season starts. Well, we'll see Ian, Thanks Todd. I

1357
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: I hope Bill doesn't need Robert Kraft to do that,

1358
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: you know, I hope Bill does it himself. You know.

1359
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: Let's go to Nash in Montana. What's up, Nash. Yeah,

1360
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: it's going guys. Good. Hey, Hey, my my opinion on

1361
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,919
Speaker 1: this either way, I think it's time to wash your hands.

1362
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: And we got a few more years of Bill, and

1363
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,600
Speaker 1: you can either run for a couple of years with

1364
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: a disgruntled QV or a fifty year option, or just

1365
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: get what you can now only still a little bit unknown,

1366
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,560
Speaker 1: gather some picks back and you can do one or

1367
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: two things. You can go out and get something like

1368
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,560
Speaker 1: Hooker and play it young for a little bit, or

1369
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: go get a gap and get a veteran for the

1370
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: next cup of little bits? Who would you get? But

1371
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean, what could you get? I mean, you really

1372
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: want to screw the Jets over toss that fourteen pick over,

1373
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: But I doubt that time they go. But I'd say,

1374
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: let's say if you could get if you can get

1375
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 1: sixteen from Washington, swore Max and you toss in a

1376
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: third rounder. You know, I don't know Washington's gonna give

1377
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,759
Speaker 1: us their sixteenth pick for mac Jones if you tossed

1378
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: in the third round and we give them a third rounder,

1379
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: no chance they're not gonna do it. Maybe not. But

1380
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: if you can scape for second round pick back, I'd say,

1381
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 1: pulled the tree. Disgruntled, We'll just wash your hands and

1382
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: hope for the best next year. Yeah. No, I get

1383
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: your point, like, it doesn't matter if you you know,

1384
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: like you make the trade because you feel like there's

1385
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: no chance it works if he's not on board, right,

1386
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,759
Speaker 1: he's disgruntled to use Nash's word, So you make the trade.

1387
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 1: And then even if you have to plug in Bailey

1388
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: Zappy and play the whole year with Zappy because you

1389
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 1: don't have any other options. I'm not there. I want

1390
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: to see. As much as I criticize Mac Jones, I

1391
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: would like to see Bill O'Brien year three Mac Jones

1392
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: and see if it, you know, looks better than the

1393
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 1: rookie year. Yes, I don't need it too. I don't

1394
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: want it to look like it looked rookie year. I

1395
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: needed to be significantly better than that, yes, and I

1396
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: want to see if it does. Especially if it does,

1397
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: then I think you can, you know, move forward. Like

1398
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: the overall passing statistics from last year's Patriots team to

1399
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: rookie year very similar. Now, the offense was not anywhere

1400
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 1: near as good. The red zone is the most glaring example.

1401
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: They were the worst red zone team in football last year. Um,

1402
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,679
Speaker 1: I think Harris had like fifteen rushing touchdowns in twenty one.

1403
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: They didn't have that. They didn't have anything like that.

1404
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 1: So but if you combined mac Jones and Zappi from

1405
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: last year to mac jones rookie year, it's not all

1406
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: that different. It's not all that the numbers. That's why

1407
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: I say mac Jones needs to be a lot better

1408
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: than he was not last year. That's obvious. He needs

1409
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 1: to be better than he was his rookie year, if

1410
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: he's a third year guy that you're looking to invest

1411
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: in going forward. I can't get I can't get Aaron

1412
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: Rodgers out of my head right now. And you said

1413
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 1: at the top of the show, no you did. I mean,

1414
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: I mean in a like there's just something about that,

1415
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: Like I always believe that Bill is intrigued by give

1416
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: you a generation. Probably not, but let's have a little fun.

1417
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: I just I could see him being intrigued by him.

1418
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: And where I mean, it's just where's Bill now? He's

1419
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 1: towards the end of his career. Shouldn't he be making

1420
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 1: a move like that, Like, like if you were really thinking, like, man,

1421
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:05,719
Speaker 1: I got I don't have a lot of time left.

1422
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend that's a guy like I think.

1423
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 1: That's the thing about this entire offseason that I just

1424
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: can't wrap my head around is I don't necessarily think

1425
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: that this is a terrible path to take in terms

1426
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: of a long term rebuild. But your coach is seventy

1427
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: years old, So like what's if you draft? If you

1428
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: if you go to the draft and you say we

1429
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: got to build through the draft and got to do

1430
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: it that way. I agree with all of those philosophies.

1431
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 1: I think that's the right way of doing it. But

1432
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: those players are not going to step up into roles

1433
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 1: where their star players leading this organization for another two years,

1434
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: especially from this draft class. So like, how does that

1435
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: fit the Bill Belichick timeline and every one of these

1436
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: other stories that comes out about like trying to trade

1437
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, it just feels like you're continuing to kick

1438
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: the can down the road, Like it's like, well, probably

1439
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 1: not Mac. I don't like you don't have all this time.

1440
01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 1: There's no real like sense of urgency. It just feels

1441
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 1: it's like no, you know, absolutely, it feels like a

1442
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: coach that is sixty not seventy, and is like I

1443
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: got another five at least five to ten years of

1444
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: doing this and I'm going to build it long term

1445
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 1: for long, long term sustain ability. But that's not the

1446
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 1: world that that he's in. So I just from that

1447
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: timeline and that that aspect, like, how is Aaron Rodgers

1448
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: not a conversation? Right? How is Lamar Jackson not a

1449
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 1: conversation that they're having. How are any of these things

1450
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: not conversations? How is DeAndre Hopkins not a conversation that apparently,

1451
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: according to every single report. They're basically out on unless

1452
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: I can get him for free, which is not happening. Well,

1453
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 1: I heard now he might get released, not Hopkins. I'm sorry,

1454
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy, No Hopkins, Hopkins, I'm right, right, right, yeah,

1455
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 1: Hopkins might get released and that right, Yeah, there's no

1456
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: I'm with Evan. I think that lessens the chances that

1457
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: you have of getting it because not more competition, now

1458
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: you have to win a bidding war, yeah, or just

1459
01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: I personally think that Hopkins is the best thing for

1460
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: his career. Does go to Kansas City, win a Super

1461
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: Bowl at Patrick Mahomes and then maybe hopefully next year

1462
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: someone had the whole thing mapped out. Patriots have more

1463
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 1: financial flexibility than can't. Evan had a perfect like in

1464
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: just from Afar. That screams a short term incentive laden contender. Right, yeah,

1465
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: why would you do it? Now? You know this stuff

1466
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: with Buffalo with you? A guy won't go away too.

1467
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs Mike's favorite wide receiver, the worst he keeps

1468
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 1: sort of. Yeah, that's why I hate social media, Like

1469
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:38,560
Speaker 1: these cryptic tweets that people are supposed to try to interpret,

1470
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, now, I saw like watching the NFL Show

1471
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: on NFL Network. The Giant should make a push for

1472
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs. Yeah, sure. I think there's probably twenty five

1473
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: teams that should be making a push to get Diggs

1474
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: if he's really available, But that that would be the

1475
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 1: first thing to me that would chip away from Buffalo.

1476
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: Buffalo picked up Tremaine Edmonds. Fine, they triggered something in

1477
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,839
Speaker 1: his contract where trading him or releasing him is basically

1478
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,839
Speaker 1: out of the question financially. Okay, So he want more money,

1479
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 1: ain't going anywhere? Yeah? His day? Yeah, so I think

1480
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 1: they converted a bonus or something like that that he's

1481
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: now got like a he's just playing it or something. Yeah, okay,

1482
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 1: I think So let's go to um Eldred in North Carolina.

1483
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 1: What's up, Eldred? Hey, So, looks how y'all doing to day? God? Ye, yes,

1484
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: two things, bro oh uh? Not having faith with Beal?

1485
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: I ain't had faith in two thousand and sixteen? Yeah,

1486
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm on that. What was the date? What was the

1487
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: date of that, Eldred? Did you lose lose faith in

1488
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 1: November of sixteen? Oh? Did they win the Super Bowl sixteen?

1489
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 1: The Super Bowl? But he's doing it's doing the draft time.

1490
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: I mean, oh okay, God be right there that we

1491
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:58,719
Speaker 1: need do you trade pick? Did Bartimore get like Lamar

1492
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 1: Obama or man middle Stola get whatever? And then we

1493
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: just leave out then when he'd talk good stuff about

1494
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 1: the guys that you should have drafted, that you planned against,

1495
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: that you can't cover, you know, So that's you know

1496
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 1: that like that gm ys note, you know, And I

1497
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 1: keep staying. Everybody get mad at me. You're the greatest

1498
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 1: coach with number twelve ruggers speaking by his stuff without quill.

1499
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know, every every good coach got a

1500
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: good plan, a good scheme, but you gotta have the

1501
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: means to do it. If you don't have demand to

1502
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: do it, you're just a coach hold of the clipboard.

1503
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 1: And I hate this with Mac. I'm not a map supporter,

1504
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, but we got it. I think they didn't

1505
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: wrong last year, and they should give me a chance

1506
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: to make it better. As you I'd be just grown

1507
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: on two, especially when you're messing with my career, just

1508
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 1: like you did Win. You screwed Win, you know, and

1509
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: nobody nobody talking about that part. You screwed Win. Yes,

1510
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: you flim on the right side. To the love by

1511
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 1: well get his money. Yet you didn't get his money,

1512
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 1: and he's still sitting there in free agent because nobody

1513
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 1: won't touch him with a jim for the pole. You

1514
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 1: missed that guy's cut, You missed that guy's career up.

1515
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know they're just pour Gmmon and Evan Well,

1516
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: I just agree with you on it's Quintin Johnson. We're

1517
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 1: gonna buy that. Oh he loves us. Johnson's kind of

1518
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 1: if he go to Buffalo like like they predicted with Thigs,

1519
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 1: even though dig a little just fruntal. Now you got

1520
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 1: two guys you gotta worry about besides David and I'll

1521
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: see what you're saying. Uh, Evan most catches. I see

1522
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 1: him when he downfield. Hey, he buys himself, so he

1523
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 1: is catching like that. But when with somebody us his hand,

1524
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: most of them because I've been watching him for a minute,

1525
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 1: you know. And like I said, he got speed. He's

1526
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: better than Harry, a whole lot better than Harry. He's

1527
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 1: better than you know. I'll give you that. He's a

1528
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 1: better prospect, way better and got a better process speed

1529
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 1: and he run any run route. He's just not a

1530
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 1: go guy like everybody thought d K would like I

1531
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 1: told you DK's running four route creak and he's the

1532
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: same way. You know, the difference between Quintin john and

1533
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: DK is about two tenths of a second on a

1534
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: forty yard Dad, you know what the different No, No,

1535
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: the biggest had You're like braid. He got made because

1536
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: everybody would buy him. So he played with a chip

1537
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 1: on the show. That's the problem. Eldred is the wide receiver.

1538
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the difference between Eldred and one

1539
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: receiver and another is nothing because he loves them all

1540
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 1: wide receiver whisperer. I A DK is a side pork, right,

1541
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: he ran like like two twenty five. The guy ran

1542
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: a four three. Okay, Quinn Johnson on a hand time

1543
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 1: at his pro day just run ran a four to

1544
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,719
Speaker 1: five two. I'm telling you that if you put them

1545
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: next to each other, the compared the athletic profile. DK

1546
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: metcalf is better than Kennel Harry and you're an idiot

1547
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: than favorite line elfrom Wisconsin. Uh. If I'm Mac and

1548
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: I played great this year, I tell the team to

1549
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 1: go pounce in. Yeah, I want to play elsewhere. I'm

1550
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 1: not a Mac guy, but this team is running a

1551
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 1: clinic on how to ruin a young player. I largely

1552
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 1: agree with that, and I keep saying these things like,

1553
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, I always preface out like I've been pretty

1554
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:12,879
Speaker 1: critical of Mac. I just don't think he's been treated fairly. Yeah,

1555
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 1: you know, like you can think that he's not good enough,

1556
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: and that's fine. That puts him in the laundry list

1557
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: of guys that weren't quite good enough. But I don't

1558
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: think anybody deserves this. Zach says he's from zak Is

1559
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 1: in Zummerville. Do you think Bill's comments to the media

1560
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 1: at the owner's meeting reflects his pettiness toward Mac Jones.

1561
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 1: I wonder if Bill is thinking that because Mac did

1562
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: not show loyalty to the team and went around asking

1563
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: for help, Bill won't show any loyalty to Mac when

1564
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 1: asked about the QB position. I think that might be personally.

1565
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 1: I think that could be it personally. I don't care

1566
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 1: about the drama, really, I just want to watch a

1567
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: Bowl offense. I think that is what it is. I

1568
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 1: think he hit the nail on the head. Move on,

1569
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be loyal to this guy. I think

1570
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: was it that he showed no loyalty to me. Was

1571
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 1: it the season ending conference where he said, Matt him

1572
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: play in this league, You've got to do a better job.

1573
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 1: I mean that that was the day after that to me.

1574
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean he kind of doubled down on it last week.

1575
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 1: That was last week you were in at Arizona, right, Yeah.

1576
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's just a contrast to that press conference

1577
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 1: he had before the training camp last year, where it was,

1578
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,799
Speaker 1: you know, doing all the right things, sounded like everything

1579
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: was on track, and Evan's um Evan's Bill as the

1580
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 1: offensive coach thing. I just wonder if he is still

1581
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: not really caught up to the change of just offense

1582
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 1: in general, not even like schemes, because like Evan you said,

1583
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: you still have a lot of faith in him defensively.

1584
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 1: I think that largely goes back to his ability to

1585
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 1: scheme a defense and try to slow down an offense.

1586
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 1: I think his sort of prototypical players haven't really changed

1587
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 1: and the game has changed dramatically, and I think that's

1588
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: part of the problem. And I think he you know, Fred,

1589
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: remember like a month ago, you had your whole thing

1590
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 1: with wide receivers. Bill doesn't believe in at diva kind

1591
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:05,640
Speaker 1: of like, yep, I think it's great if you have

1592
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 1: this philosophy that you've always had and had a lot

1593
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 1: of success with, obviously, but it doesn't mean it's always

1594
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:14,719
Speaker 1: going to be right and it's always going to stay

1595
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: that way. I just wonder if you know his idea

1596
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 1: of taking you know, build from the line in. You know,

1597
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:24,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna take guards and franchise them, take another one

1598
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: in the first round, and we're gonna you know, not

1599
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,560
Speaker 1: We're not gonna necessarily go for Stefan Digs on the

1600
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 1: outside or Jamar Chase. Now. We're just gonna get a

1601
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 1: bunch of guys that are well smaller versions of that volume.

1602
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna have three four. We don't we don't believe

1603
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: in a number one receiver, I know, But I just

1604
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,719
Speaker 1: I wonder if maybe his philosophy has kind of gone

1605
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 1: like a couple a couple of points I'd like to

1606
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: touch on. It's just that, you know, first of all,

1607
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 1: I just know he goes to so many college pro

1608
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 1: days and he talks to so many college coaches that

1609
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 1: I just I don't see how he can't be aware

1610
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: of the direction of modern NFL offense now and the

1611
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 1: other side of the ball. He seems to fully grasp

1612
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 1: all these things, Like defensively he seems maybe not lately,

1613
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 1: but he seemed to grasp it. You need a number

1614
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 1: one corner that you need to kind of invest in

1615
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 1: a guy like Matthew Judon if you don't have one,

1616
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 1: and the way that their defense plays schematically, every team

1617
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 1: in the league talks about how challenging it is. You

1618
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 1: don't know what you're gonna get, you know, just simply

1619
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 1: buy their scheme. They're able to make things difficult for

1620
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: an offensive. Why can't they do that? Judon is a

1621
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: great a great example of what I'm talking about. I

1622
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 1: think Judean is kind of a departure so way he

1623
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 1: used to do things. He didn't used to think that

1624
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,600
Speaker 1: like well you need to have that one like dominant

1625
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 1: edge guy, like we're gonna scheme up pressure, we're gonna

1626
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 1: get sacks are overrated. And I do think that was

1627
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 1: kind of a good thing that he is sort of

1628
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 1: you know, like Kyle van Noy snarky, you know about,

1629
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 1: well if we all got to do that, well, because

1630
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: Bill never used to do that. I think he did

1631
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 1: show a little flexibility and letting Judon just sort of

1632
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 1: go after the patterer, and he absolutely did it with

1633
01:24:56,280 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 1: Ouja down the stretch last year. He never was Yes,

1634
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 1: he couldn't even get on the field because that's all

1635
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: he can do, right And now I think Bill is

1636
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 1: sort of opening his mind a little bit defensively. I'd

1637
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 1: like to see him do more of it. I always

1638
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 1: look at defensively the safeties like Bill. I personally think

1639
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 1: that Bill invented the money backer, the safety slash linebacker

1640
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 1: hybrid position. When Patrick Chung came back the second time,

1641
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 1: I think Bill invented a position and he put Patrick

1642
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 1: Chung in the box, played him basically as a strong

1643
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: side linebacker, which nobody was doing. Searched and searched for

1644
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 1: that kind of a guy. Adrian Wilson, Tank Williams, there

1645
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 1: was another guy that I can't remembered. They kept looking

1646
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: for guys like that that would kind of hybrid linebacker

1647
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: safety types and could do a lot of different things.

1648
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 1: And I agree with with Evan, he's finally you know,

1649
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 1: Chung was the guy the second time around. Yeah, he

1650
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 1: found a role for and he's done it with Dugger,

1651
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: He's done it with Adrian Philip to a lesser extent, yeah,

1652
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. I just think do you

1653
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:09,799
Speaker 1: think flexibility, Yeah, Steve Belichick could be a positive influence

1654
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: on Bill, Like maybe he's not listening to Steve and

1655
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: it's I don't know. I mean I think that defensively,

1656
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 1: I just have no concerns over them innovating, of them

1657
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 1: staying ahead of the curve and all those types of things,

1658
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 1: because they they they've done it. I think in the

1659
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: last couple of years they've been a little bit more

1660
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 1: into too high, they've been into a little bit more

1661
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 1: of zone. Just statistically speaking, they play a lot more

1662
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 1: zone now because they have to then they played three

1663
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 1: or four years ago. I think they would anyways, because

1664
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 1: that's the game. You know, you don't really you can't

1665
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,600
Speaker 1: sit in man to man coverage all day against quarterbacks

1666
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 1: and receivers like this, you're gonna get burned, right, But

1667
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 1: if you can play Zoe, I mean, if you can

1668
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 1: play man, you play man. The differences is that when

1669
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 1: you put the chips in the middle, it's third and

1670
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 1: seven and you absolutely need to stop. They still would

1671
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:57,679
Speaker 1: rather play man. They still play man on third down

1672
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 1: more than they play zone. But first and second down

1673
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 1: man and you get out there, and you're facing Tyree

1674
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 1: Hill and Jalen Waddle and all these receivers, you know,

1675
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 1: digs Like, you can't just play man for four straight

1676
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: quarters anymore. It's hard to do that against the mobile quarterbacks,

1677
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 1: which there are more and more of now too. They've

1678
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 1: evolved a little just a little little nugget would have

1679
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 1: passed along by our own Alex Francisco um via Oliver Thomas,

1680
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: who's a writer for Pat's Pulpit. Uh, that's right, I

1681
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 1: snuck that in there. Danny Amendola, Danny Amendola is joining

1682
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 1: the Raiders coaching staff as a coaching assistant, slash Cher. Really,

1683
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 1: that's what that's what we get from you, your types types. Yeah,

1684
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 1: that's a nugget get fresh off his reality show. But

1685
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 1: Danny Amendola is like a good example where I wanted

1686
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 1: to go with this on offense. I think some of

1687
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:50,600
Speaker 1: Bill's old school thinking on offense comes out with receivers

1688
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 1: where he feels like Danny Amendola's or a diame a dozen, Right,

1689
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 1: I can go and find the slot receiver Jakobe Meyers,

1690
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 1: Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola, Wes Welker, Like I don't need

1691
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 1: to spend on that. But the guys that I want

1692
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: to spend capital on are these specimens, right the kill

1693
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 1: Harry's that even like a guy like DeVante Parker, and

1694
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 1: I'm so surprised that size and speed are things that

1695
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 1: he seems to gravitate towards. And this is you know,

1696
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 1: with Quintin Johnson, it's the same thing where not only

1697
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 1: has quickness and separation abilities succeeded in this offense more

1698
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 1: than size, but also just looking from translating from the

1699
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 1: college game to the pro game, separation translates much better

1700
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 1: than the than size does, right, you know, in terms

1701
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 1: of getting open route running things like that, those guys

1702
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: tend to translate a lot easier to the NFL. So

1703
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm just if they go receiver early in this draft

1704
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: and it's Quintin Johnson overs A Flowers and Addison and

1705
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: JSN that that's not where the league is going. The

1706
01:28:56,320 --> 01:29:01,679
Speaker 1: league is going towards separation, speed, separation running, and these

1707
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 1: other guys that they've seemed to be interested in the

1708
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:07,639
Speaker 1: last couple of years are not that. And I just

1709
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:10,879
Speaker 1: that's a part of it that I really just don't understand.

1710
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 1: How I feel like there's a blinder on to that

1711
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 1: sort of thing. Well, Evan. Along those lines, Adam Schefter

1712
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 1: is reporting that Zay Flowers will visit the Patriots tomorrow

1713
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 1: and he will also attend the draft. That's just tweeted

1714
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 1: out by Adam Schefter. So okay, be on the lookout tomorrow,

1715
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 1: say Flowers in the building. Don't get me excited out

1716
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 1: there waiting in the bushes for him, remember me, Scott,

1717
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 1: and Virginia writes in let's just assume the reports about

1718
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 1: shopping Mac or true. Is it reasonable to connect the

1719
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,719
Speaker 1: dots of letting Myers and Damian Harris walk to possibly

1720
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 1: trading Mac if Bill wants to start fresh or move

1721
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 1: on to Zappy moving on from Max too big a

1722
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 1: supporters seemed to make some sense. Keeping them and trading

1723
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:54,639
Speaker 1: Mac opens up more criticism intention from inside the locker room.

1724
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I just I get it

1725
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I also don't think surprising that

1726
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 1: Damian Harris walked, and I think Jacoby Myers was kind

1727
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,679
Speaker 1: of a coin flip. It didn't feel like they purpose.

1728
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 1: I would say like we had either an email or

1729
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: a caller earlier suggest that was Damian Harris a big

1730
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 1: Mac guy. I know they had the Alabama thing, but like,

1731
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 1: I don't remember him being outspoken last year. I remember Myers,

1732
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: I remember Born, I remember Andrews, and I remember Henry.

1733
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 1: Damian Harris and Mac Jones are best friends. Okay, off

1734
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:28,639
Speaker 1: the field. I'm not saying that Damian Harris was vouching

1735
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 1: for him or anything like that, but off the field,

1736
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 1: day are very close. I just didn't remember anything other

1737
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 1: than annoying barking from Damian Harris all last year. He

1738
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 1: would just he's got that dog when people are trying

1739
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:43,600
Speaker 1: to talk to the people in Buffalo really liked that.

1740
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 1: Neil and new Brunswick. This take has nothing to do

1741
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: with whether Mac is a good player or not. It's

1742
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 1: to do with defending the player because I like everyone else.

1743
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 1: Because like everyone else, I don't know. These guys work

1744
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:57,679
Speaker 1: their entire teenage life to go to a big time college.

1745
01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 1: They get a chance to be drafted to the NFL

1746
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 1: and then get three years to prove their worth being

1747
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 1: paid life changing money. Mac had a decent rookie year.

1748
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 1: Then in year two, Patricia and Judge both failed head

1749
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: coaches with no offensive experience. That was a major, major

1750
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 1: blow to his chances of earning that money. So if

1751
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 1: it was any of us, how would we feel we'd

1752
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:20,639
Speaker 1: be frustrated in acting out too. Honestly, I hope they

1753
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: trade the kid and he succeeds somewhere else. It's time

1754
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:25,640
Speaker 1: to move on from Bill. It's that simple. Thanks for

1755
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 1: the memories, but I just can't put up with him

1756
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 1: as below five hundred without Tom for the past thirty years,

1757
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:34,600
Speaker 1: Tom for past thirty years coach GM. I don't know

1758
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 1: what that ending it means, but okay, it means Belichick

1759
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 1: is under five hundred over the past thirty years when

1760
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't have. It's not that hard. It's not written well,

1761
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 1: so yeah, well and over when someone says that, no, no, no,

1762
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:57,680
Speaker 1: well and and over says I'm getting frustrated with the

1763
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,679
Speaker 1: more Mac and Belichick news. There's a nessa report about

1764
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 1: how howire like Mac was against the coaching system last

1765
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 1: year we caught, We talked about that. I like Mac,

1766
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:09,799
Speaker 1: but I'm tired of this Bill over his quarterback drama.

1767
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 1: If Bill doesn't want Mac, I'd rather Bill just move

1768
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 1: on now rather than drag out this petty fight through

1769
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:18,799
Speaker 1: the offseason. Might be either get Lamar or extend zappy

1770
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 1: on a Daniel Jones extend zappy. Yeah, hell no. First

1771
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:24,680
Speaker 1: of all, you're not even allowed to do that. He's

1772
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 1: only in the year league one year. He can't extend

1773
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:31,799
Speaker 1: his contract yet. Oh boy, let's go back to the phones.

1774
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 1: AJ's in the Bay Area. He was in the Bay

1775
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: Area and now he's gone. Alex is in New Jersey

1776
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 1: or No Jersey City. What's up Alex which is in Jurse?

1777
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 1: Hey guys, I think Evan just hit the you know,

1778
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 1: head on the mail right there. With wide receivers, even

1779
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 1: though I love like the six foot t two hundred

1780
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 1: pounds type of receivers, I think the NFL is kind

1781
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 1: of translating more into those field structures, those separators, um

1782
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 1: you knowing act to that playoff game against the Bills.

1783
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 1: I mean, johsh Allen could throw a deep, but they

1784
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 1: were killing us with the crosss and we couldn't really

1785
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 1: contain it. They're just, you know, all speed, all separation.

1786
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 1: I'm in love with Say Flowers. I watched a couple

1787
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 1: of games to him when he was in Boston College.

1788
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 1: But I think first rounds a bit too rich for me,

1789
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 1: you know, since he is a little undersized maybe if

1790
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 1: we can get like a discount on that, like Josh Downs,

1791
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 1: Marvin Mims. I was just wondering what you guys were thinking,

1792
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: especially in the day two, day three type separators draft.

1793
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 1: Save Flowers. Yeah, period, Thanks Alex. I love Josh Jones too,

1794
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 1: So I just know in your mind, Dave Flowers is

1795
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 1: the best receiver available. I take him at fourteen if

1796
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 1: you run the card up right now. And that's I mean,

1797
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 1: obviously that's Evan's feel, and I'm fine with that. But

1798
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,600
Speaker 1: my thing is, if you think that Zay Flowers is

1799
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:59,200
Speaker 1: really good, like I love Zay Flowers, why wouldn't you

1800
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:03,600
Speaker 1: want to take him well? Like why is fourteen to like?

1801
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 1: Then you don't love him right? And I'm okay, listen,

1802
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you you're wrong. I don't evaluate these

1803
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 1: guys like I'm not an NFL scout. I can't tell

1804
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 1: you no, no, no no, no, not fourteen. He's more on

1805
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,760
Speaker 1: the twenty eight round. Like I don't know. But if

1806
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:20,560
Speaker 1: you love a guy, if you think he's gonna be

1807
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:22,639
Speaker 1: a great player for your team, take him at fourteen.

1808
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 1: Take him at fourteen. You have a great player on

1809
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 1: your team that you love, right, Like why wouldn't you.

1810
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:28,879
Speaker 1: You know, you did it with close Strange, so instead

1811
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna say yeah and listen, obviously, that's in, you know,

1812
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 1: a big difference. That's a guy that you arguably could

1813
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 1: have gotten three or four rounds later as opposed to

1814
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 1: ten picks later. Love him, you know, you know, let's

1815
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 1: trade down so we can get Zay Flowers at twenty.

1816
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 1: You for that a million times, right, right, right, Like

1817
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:50,960
Speaker 1: what's the difference? Yeah, I love the guy. I want him.

1818
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I get him because I

1819
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:55,800
Speaker 1: love him. Like, that's what I would want to do

1820
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,599
Speaker 1: if Zay Flowers is the guy. And I respect Evan's

1821
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 1: opinion watches this stuff more than I do. So I

1822
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 1: just don't understand why the thought would be, I love

1823
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 1: that guy, but too rich for my blood. Let's wait

1824
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 1: till the cut rate version of z Flowers is available

1825
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 1: at the end of round three. Yeah, Like I don't

1826
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm not picking on the call. A lot of people

1827
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 1: say those things, so it's like, you know, you got

1828
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: to win the contract. Like I get why the team

1829
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 1: does that. It's in the team's interest. They have a

1830
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 1: financial stake at this stuff. But like, I don't know

1831
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:33,599
Speaker 1: why any fan would ever say I'd like Aaron Rodgers

1832
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:36,200
Speaker 1: for two years, but not a fifty nine million. That's

1833
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 1: too rich for I don't have that ton of money

1834
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:41,760
Speaker 1: right now. I'll never understand that. And I would say

1835
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 1: I am in a vast minority of fans. You don't

1836
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 1: care about the value it. Yeah, you're going out to

1837
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 1: buy a car, and you know this car is really expensive,

1838
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 1: but it you know, maybe I can get you know,

1839
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:56,800
Speaker 1: something similar but a less price. But that expensive car

1840
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 1: is gonna last you for ten years or if it's

1841
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,600
Speaker 1: the one that you really want right now, if you

1842
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:04,559
Speaker 1: could afford it, you get it. If you can't, obviously

1843
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:07,759
Speaker 1: you don't know, like there's a million cars I can't afford,

1844
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 1: right Yeah, because you but I mean that's that's that's different.

1845
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 1: That's not a fire. Actually, I totally, I totally get

1846
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 1: your point. I also just think though, there is a

1847
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 1: little bit of nuance that I would consider of you know,

1848
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:25,600
Speaker 1: do you want Zay Flowers and Matthew bergeron or do

1849
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 1: you want Paris Johnson and Josh Downs. I mean, those

1850
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 1: are just so I know, it's different from where you're saying.

1851
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:34,640
Speaker 1: That's where my head come That's exactly the same if

1852
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 1: you think I really love Paris Johnson, Like, okay, it's

1853
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 1: the same thing. I can make an argument how many

1854
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 1: times I make the joke you stack the board vertically

1855
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: and horizontally, like you have to make those decisions as

1856
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 1: to is the tackle more important than the wide receiver?

1857
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 1: And with so many holes that they have, you know,

1858
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's just where I'm totally fun. I'm

1859
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 1: totally fine. Comes in for me is that I think

1860
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 1: Zay is probably going to go somewhere in the twenty

1861
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 1: to twenty five range in this draft. And so if

1862
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 1: I can trade down to twenty and still get Zay

1863
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 1: and then add a Day two picks, so that because

1864
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 1: now you're not getting the premium tackle, right, So you're

1865
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 1: not getting Paris Johnson. So now I have to throw

1866
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 1: more darts at tackle because I need to. You know,

1867
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 1: it's bad. That's a little different too, because now you're

1868
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 1: trading down to still get the same guy that you love,

1869
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:27,679
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to add a pick to get something

1870
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 1: else that I need, right, which is like different than

1871
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 1: saying I'm gonna not take that guy at fourteen because

1872
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:35,240
Speaker 1: I can get a cut rate version of that guy

1873
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 1: at forty six. Back to your main point, though, if

1874
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:40,760
Speaker 1: you think that Zay Flowers is a game changer, don't

1875
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:42,800
Speaker 1: risk it, Like if you really think it. I don't

1876
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 1: think they're at the point right now where maybe in

1877
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 1: the past they could have said, let's see, maybe he's

1878
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 1: not there, but we can afford to take this chance

1879
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 1: right now. To me, you trade down when there's a

1880
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 1: group of players you love equally and you know I'll

1881
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 1: get at least one of them, you know, But if

1882
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 1: there's that one guy that you really love you can't afford.

1883
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 1: I think you trade down because you're looking to get

1884
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 1: more picks. Yeah, that would be the only reason why

1885
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 1: I would trade down, says the best playmaker in the draft,

1886
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:13,479
Speaker 1: so like three level playmaker. And obviously everybody would sit

1887
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 1: there and say, well, obviously I wouldn't love to have

1888
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 1: more picks too, But you have to weigh it. Do

1889
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:23,040
Speaker 1: you want the player that is available more than the

1890
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 1: extra picks? Yeah? I don't like the idea. I went

1891
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 1: on that rant a couple of weeks ago. I players

1892
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 1: are never the same. I don't like the whole There's

1893
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 1: a group of five, and I'll be happy with any

1894
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 1: of them. No, No, one of those guys you like,

1895
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 1: But why why is that imposs one of those guys

1896
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 1: you like more? You stack the board like one of

1897
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 1: those guys just better than the others. So Zay Flowers

1898
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 1: versus Josh Down's not close to me, it's it's it's

1899
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 1: Za and the reason being is that Zay is just

1900
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 1: so much better after the catch than they both. They

1901
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:52,759
Speaker 1: both have the vertical route running ability and the separation

1902
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 1: ability underneath. But one of them is an absolute game

1903
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:57,599
Speaker 1: breaker with the ball in the hands and the other

1904
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 1: one isn't. And that's a So that's a different but

1905
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:04,559
Speaker 1: I don't I could be more persuaded into a Zay

1906
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 1: Flowers versus Jordan Addison debate where if you trade down

1907
01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 1: and you end up with one of those two guys,

1908
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:13,559
Speaker 1: now maybe we're talking more in the same the same

1909
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 1: tier of players. Sure, And if you want to say

1910
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to trade down because I want to get

1911
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 1: the picks, that's more important to me. And I've you know,

1912
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:26,080
Speaker 1: done my research, because these guys obviously have an idea

1913
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 1: how the board's going to unfold. I think there's a

1914
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 1: better than average chance that I still get the guy

1915
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:33,880
Speaker 1: I was going to take at fourteen. Now what frustrates

1916
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 1: me is every time they trade down, they always leak

1917
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 1: it out there that that's the guy they wanted. They

1918
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 1: were going to take him at fourteen anyway. They said

1919
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 1: it last year. Yeah, they were going to take Cold

1920
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 1: Strange at twenty one, you know, like they didn't. I

1921
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,519
Speaker 1: shouldn't say they said it. That's not fair. They didn't

1922
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:50,320
Speaker 1: say it. They had others say it for him. Brian

1923
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:53,960
Speaker 1: in the Bay Area, is it possible that mac mac

1924
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,879
Speaker 1: has asked for a trade and that's why he's being shopped.

1925
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 1: It's possible. Sure, I don't know. That's stretched well, I

1926
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 1: think that's bigger news. If I was a reporter who

1927
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:06,160
Speaker 1: wanted to get a scoop like Bill Belichick tried versus

1928
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 1: mac Jones wants, I would think. I don't think you

1929
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 1: would sit on the mac Jones wants a trade. I

1930
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 1: also think if mac Jones requested a trade, you'd have

1931
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 1: heard about it. Yea, it would have come. It would

1932
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:21,759
Speaker 1: have come from his agent, his guy, George. And Marylyn

1933
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 1: writes in I've always kept in the back of my

1934
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 1: mind the fall of the Steelers back in the day

1935
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:29,679
Speaker 1: when the game passed Chuck no By and he still

1936
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:32,920
Speaker 1: continued to coach. I've always prayed that this wouldn't happen

1937
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:38,320
Speaker 1: with coach Belichick, but the backdrop seems eerily familiar. Let

1938
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 1: me know what you think. I mean, those were some

1939
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 1: awful Steelers teams. I'm not familiar with the Steelers history

1940
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:49,840
Speaker 1: as much. I'm gonna look it up. Well, they got

1941
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:52,879
Speaker 1: into like that quarterback thing where it was Mark Malone

1942
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 1: and until they got Roethlisberger, you know, yeah, but in

1943
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 1: between they went to super Bowls with Jags like Neil

1944
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:08,639
Speaker 1: O'donaldhil o'donald. Chuck Carrie in England says, I am one

1945
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 1: of the max super fans you speak of. Get Bill out.

1946
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 1: It's time for him to go and mister Kraft to

1947
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:15,280
Speaker 1: step in and do the right thing. Enough is enough.

1948
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:19,759
Speaker 1: I'm fuming. I'm so sorry, mack on behalf of Patriot's Nation.

1949
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:27,000
Speaker 1: The treatment is disgusting. Yes, Chuck Noll absolutely would be

1950
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 1: a comp It's so I want to say in eighty

1951
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:36,760
Speaker 1: four they went to the playoffs, but it's nine and seven,

1952
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 1: seven and nine, and six and ten, eight and seven,

1953
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 1: five and eleven, nine and seven, nine and seven, seven

1954
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:44,840
Speaker 1: and nine, Like that's what they're it's about half the time,

1955
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:47,680
Speaker 1: is that? But that's what you're in the middle of

1956
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 1: right now, just sort of a relative mediocrity. I wonder

1957
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 1: what the finger pointing was there. I mean it was it, Oh,

1958
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 1: he didn't have Bradshaw or he didn't have the steel

1959
01:41:57,479 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 1: curtain defense. But obviously they didn't replace because they had

1960
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 1: how many of those? Um? Is that later? Later? What

1961
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 1: free agency? Well, this was not free agency. But this

1962
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:11,559
Speaker 1: is my my contention. You'll probably we could probably get

1963
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 1: in a good fight about this, because I stand alone

1964
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:16,120
Speaker 1: on an island. I think it was much harder to

1965
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 1: build a team than it is now. All all you

1966
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:22,599
Speaker 1: have to do is go out and sign whatever you want. Um.

1967
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:24,559
Speaker 1: They only had one way really to get a player

1968
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:27,519
Speaker 1: back then, and that was to draft. And now, to

1969
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:31,240
Speaker 1: the Steelers credit, they had arguably the greatest single draft

1970
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:34,320
Speaker 1: in NFL history, and I think seventy four when they

1971
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:39,560
Speaker 1: drafted like five Hall of famers. Yeah, Steelers, hall of famers. Anybody,

1972
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:43,559
Speaker 1: anybody that needed something and you were really good, but

1973
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:45,519
Speaker 1: you needed like that one piece, you couldn't get it

1974
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:48,120
Speaker 1: anywhere but the draft. Now you just signed it. That

1975
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:50,680
Speaker 1: that's fair, But you could also keep guys right now.

1976
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:53,679
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing. You're allowed to keep guys now too.

1977
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:57,680
Speaker 1: It's easier to keep guys. There was no competition to

1978
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 1: keep them back then, right, I mean there's no free agency,

1979
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,800
Speaker 1: so you couldn't you couldn't lose anybody. Stay with us,

1980
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 1: or you want to stop playing football, right, Yeah, I

1981
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 1: think it's I think there's but you have the choice

1982
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:10,560
Speaker 1: to keep the guy. All you have to do is

1983
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:14,520
Speaker 1: pay them. Yeah. Now, the players had a lot less

1984
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:18,639
Speaker 1: mobility back then, yes, or no, there was a lot

1985
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 1: less mobility. Yeah, players, So if you didn't have anything,

1986
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:23,599
Speaker 1: you couldn't get it. No, But players have options now

1987
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 1: they didn't back then. You know you were, Yes, you

1988
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:28,880
Speaker 1: were more under the control of the team back correct.

1989
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:30,840
Speaker 1: That's why it's easier to build a team. Now there's

1990
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 1: mobility you're making you're making, my poet. But it's but

1991
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:37,400
Speaker 1: also like it's hard, it's hard to harder to retain

1992
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:40,160
Speaker 1: guys too. So I think there's a given take there.

1993
01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:42,679
Speaker 1: I think you could make the case on both sides.

1994
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 1: If you're a if you're you know, if you're a

1995
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 1: have team, then you're probably right, Paul. But if you're

1996
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, one of the small market teams. Back then

1997
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:54,559
Speaker 1: you were you were in a bind, and it's gonna

1998
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:56,320
Speaker 1: be as a free agent, and even even if you

1999
01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:58,400
Speaker 1: love where you're at, I'd like to go on the

2000
01:43:58,439 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: open market and see what I'm worth to see what's

2001
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:03,960
Speaker 1: somebody wants to pay me. Why not, you know, find out, Yeah,

2002
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:07,800
Speaker 1: maybe somebody surprises you. But I real quick, I was

2003
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:09,600
Speaker 1: kind of think when you were talking, what do you

2004
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 1: think it's like in the like Patriots, NFL like draft rooms,

2005
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:15,320
Speaker 1: Because it's funny like going through this experience with you

2006
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:18,160
Speaker 1: now and you get like very extreme on people suddenly,

2007
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:20,599
Speaker 1: like do you think they do too? Because I do too.

2008
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 1: Like you get attached to guys and you kind of

2009
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:24,040
Speaker 1: like you're like, god, I love this guy. Like, and

2010
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:25,880
Speaker 1: I always tell people like, don't get attached the draft picks,

2011
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 1: as they could just as easily end up on the

2012
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:29,640
Speaker 1: jets of the Dolphins. You know. Um, But you know,

2013
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:31,879
Speaker 1: I just I wonder what it's like when you're actually

2014
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:34,840
Speaker 1: really doing it and your opinion counts for a lot.

2015
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:36,840
Speaker 1: And I have to like pound the tables that I'm

2016
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:39,040
Speaker 1: not saying that the stories are necessarily here, but from

2017
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:42,080
Speaker 1: the stories that I have heard there are legitimate fights

2018
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 1: where people need to be almost broken up. And I'm

2019
01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:47,720
Speaker 1: not talking about on draft night. I'm talking about before then,

2020
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:52,120
Speaker 1: when they're stacking, when they're stacking the guy. Yeah, agree, literally,

2021
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:55,360
Speaker 1: I will fight. There's an area scout that's only works

2022
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:57,680
Speaker 1: in the Northeast, so he's watched every single game Zay

2023
01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:00,680
Speaker 1: Flowers has ever played. And the guy that covers you know,

2024
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:04,000
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve out west is telling him that Jordan

2025
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 1: Addison's the guy, and he's saying that it's a oh yeah, yeah.

2026
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 1: Those meetings go all night, you know, back and forth,

2027
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:13,479
Speaker 1: just like me and Barnes text messages about these things.

2028
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:17,360
Speaker 1: Franklin and Baltimore writes it, I'm kind of shocked that

2029
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 1: others seem to be shocked about their being friction between

2030
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:23,320
Speaker 1: Bill and Mack. If there's one thing that has consistent

2031
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 1: of Bill's time time and again is that he doesn't

2032
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:28,800
Speaker 1: have the patience for people who bucked the program or

2033
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:31,519
Speaker 1: system in any fashion, dating all the way back to

2034
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:35,200
Speaker 1: lawyer malloy the moment there were reports during last year's

2035
01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 1: training camp Mac having trouble buying in The writing was

2036
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 1: on the wall for this to happen. This is also

2037
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:43,519
Speaker 1: part of the reason I'm warming up to potentially moving

2038
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 1: on from Bill not because of the Max situations, specifically

2039
01:45:47,120 --> 01:45:49,479
Speaker 1: because I feel like he'll run into these problems much

2040
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:52,840
Speaker 1: more frequently now than he did with the Pass. Given

2041
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 1: the difference in attitudes of young players coming into the league.

2042
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:58,559
Speaker 1: They're not going to stand to accept any type of

2043
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 1: coaching when they're getting professional level development in college. Wow.

2044
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:09,519
Speaker 1: Has really nothing to do with the the gist of

2045
01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:11,040
Speaker 1: the story, other than I would say I don't think

2046
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:15,080
Speaker 1: anybody is surprised to be reading about friction between guys

2047
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:17,439
Speaker 1: who have kind of been openly bickering with one another

2048
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:19,760
Speaker 1: for the better part of two years, Robert Craft and

2049
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:21,640
Speaker 1: Bill Belich. I'm just surprised. The second thing is, what

2050
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:25,720
Speaker 1: exactly did lawyer Malloyd do that that showed disloyalty? You

2051
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:28,559
Speaker 1: want him more money? He did, didn't take a pay cut? Yes,

2052
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:33,160
Speaker 1: that was what he did. Yeah, he didn't do anything. Yeah,

2053
01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:35,679
Speaker 1: that was more. I think his agent kind of sealed

2054
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:38,680
Speaker 1: that one. No, he wanted they wanted to give him

2055
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:41,200
Speaker 1: a pay cut. He said, no, Yeah, it happens all

2056
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 1: the time, Danny Amndola. They wanted to give a pay cut.

2057
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:47,360
Speaker 1: He kept taking it, and he stayed like, it's up

2058
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 1: to you. What's up to the player, right, But some

2059
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 1: some can do anything wrong. Some guys they asked to

2060
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 1: take a pay cut, they say no, and they go

2061
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:56,599
Speaker 1: and make more money somewhere else, like William Malloyd did.

2062
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 1: Or they say okay, and they move on to the

2063
01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:00,080
Speaker 1: next player to try to get him the paycut. They

2064
01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 1: don't necessarily get rid of them, not all the time.

2065
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:06,439
Speaker 1: They don't always get rid of the guy that says

2066
01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 1: no to taking a pay cut. But what did he

2067
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:11,439
Speaker 1: do wrong? As my point, I don't know. Okay, but

2068
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:13,640
Speaker 1: you said the agent gave him bad advice. You were like,

2069
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:16,240
Speaker 1: we're all over the map with that. Well remember too much, Sally.

2070
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 1: It became like you don't have to get cut the guy.

2071
01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 1: I remember that time. I remember at the time the

2072
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:23,120
Speaker 1: agent wouldn't even talk like about a pay cut. They

2073
01:47:23,120 --> 01:47:24,519
Speaker 1: were trying to get him to take a pay cut

2074
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:26,880
Speaker 1: for months. I don't know the details. I mean, you're

2075
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:30,280
Speaker 1: you're hearing one side of the story. Can I say

2076
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:33,760
Speaker 1: something about the draft before we lap up there? So

2077
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:37,360
Speaker 1: I think that we're in We're in smoke Screen season, right,

2078
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:39,720
Speaker 1: We're in Lion season, right? Now. But the one thing

2079
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:41,680
Speaker 1: that I always look at with the Patriots and the

2080
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:43,799
Speaker 1: lead up to the draft that I think is compelling

2081
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:48,439
Speaker 1: right now is they might not tell you. They certainly

2082
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 1: won't tell you who they're drafting, but their visits and

2083
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:55,519
Speaker 1: who where they go and who they're talking to usually

2084
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:59,720
Speaker 1: gravitates towards the position groups that they're really focused on

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01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:03,840
Speaker 1: doing their homework on, and if they have met with

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Speaker 1: every single wide receiver at the top of the draft

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01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:11,960
Speaker 1: multiple times at this point, Flowers now coming in for

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01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:14,800
Speaker 1: a visit after being at the Shrine Bowl, Johnston at

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01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 1: the TCU Pro Day, j and sanat Ohio State in

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Speaker 1: the combine. Jordan Addison's coming in tomorrow for his top

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Speaker 1: thirty visit. So they are receivers on the board, like

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01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:28,120
Speaker 1: they are talking to every single receiver in this draft.

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01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 1: They've talked to a bunch of the corners and the

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Speaker 1: tackle prospects as well. You know, Cody Mock's coming in.

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01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:36,479
Speaker 1: Manuel Forbes is reportedly coming in for a visit. So

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01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:39,080
Speaker 1: I think we're all on the same page even even

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01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 1: now about what they need. I mean, right to your point, Evan,

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01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:43,600
Speaker 1: maybe they're gonna bring Jordan Addison and Zay Flowers in

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Speaker 1: tomorrow at the same I mean, I don't know the

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01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:47,559
Speaker 1: exact same time, but I mean it seems like they're

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01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:50,240
Speaker 1: both gonna kind of be here, comparable players, same kind

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Speaker 1: of pick area. And I mean again the TCU thing

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01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 1: that stood out to me, both those guys standing right

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01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:58,640
Speaker 1: there with him, eyes g talking to him, what he

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01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 1: said to you. With the combine, I just I think

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Speaker 1: I think there's something there for sure. In terms of the

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Speaker 1: the receivers. This gives me twenty nineteen vibes all over again.

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Speaker 1: Who would be the guy who would be your him Johnston? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Johnson would be my my nikkil Harry of this draft.

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01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:20,479
Speaker 1: Un Zay is obvious you. Zay is obviously Deebo Samuel

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Speaker 1: in this in this conversation. Um, and I'll I'll say,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Addison is you guys term Barth ever text like

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01:49:28,240 --> 01:49:31,120
Speaker 1: I love Za Flowers more. No, I love Za Flowers more.

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01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:34,360
Speaker 1: I definitely like Za Flowers more than Barth does. That.

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Speaker 1: That's that's definitely my my draft crush. Bars is Dwan

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01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:41,320
Speaker 1: Jones from Ohio State The Tackle. Yeah, he's this big

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01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:43,720
Speaker 1: guys loves that guy. You imagine falling in love with

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01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:46,960
Speaker 1: a tackle loves him hand placement and what was it?

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Speaker 1: Hand placement? And see that that kicks? Like did you

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01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:54,400
Speaker 1: see that? Did you actually see your son is offensive?

2121
01:49:55,479 --> 01:49:58,360
Speaker 1: Paris Johnson's kick slides that his pro day were absurd.

2122
01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:00,880
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my goodness, you don't get

2123
01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 1: that because my dorky son, who was an offensive lineman,

2124
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:06,840
Speaker 1: Like when he first started to it in the house,

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01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:08,200
Speaker 1: he would do that to me all the time. He

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01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 1: would walk up and put his hand to my chest

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01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:13,040
Speaker 1: the kicks and I would just knock him down. I'll

2128
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:16,240
Speaker 1: give him the rip in the spin move right, Benn

2129
01:50:16,280 --> 01:50:18,519
Speaker 1: and Brooklyn says, I think all the criticism will Bill

2130
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:20,599
Speaker 1: the GM are valid, but I have to defend him

2131
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:24,320
Speaker 1: as a coach. Take a look at the charges Herbert, Bosa, Eckler,

2132
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:26,800
Speaker 1: James and Allen are all better than our guys, yet

2133
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:29,880
Speaker 1: the team chronically underachieves. Could say the same about that

2134
01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:32,639
Speaker 1: they had that for a year, like are you high?

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01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:35,080
Speaker 1: All right? Let him finish fully understood that many of

2136
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:37,280
Speaker 1: the moves haven't worked out, but Bill has earned more

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01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:40,240
Speaker 1: currency even as a GM. In my view, Let's see

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01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:42,920
Speaker 1: what happens with the draft remaining free agency. They have

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01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:48,759
Speaker 1: another bad season, than maybe it's time. Okay, if somebody

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01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:54,080
Speaker 1: has to so one season, somebody has to defend Bill. Yeah,

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01:50:54,120 --> 01:50:56,160
Speaker 1: I know there's no defenders of Bill out there. Yeah,

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01:50:56,240 --> 01:50:58,599
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. You must have searched far and wide

2143
01:50:58,640 --> 01:51:04,800
Speaker 1: for that on this show. Oh it seems that way lately. Yeah. Um,

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01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 1: let's see the Chargers argers like he did, like the

2145
01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:10,320
Speaker 1: cat cow thing on the sideline one at that, just

2146
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 1: that they draft a quarterback and three years later they

2147
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:20,040
Speaker 1: were in the playoffs like man underachievers. Cody writes in

2148
01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:23,879
Speaker 1: I just think everyone needs to take a breath. Remember

2149
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:26,400
Speaker 1: when Julius Peppers was a dune deal. Let's not believe

2150
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:32,280
Speaker 1: every single thing we read. We had a guy on

2151
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 1: our show thought he was gonna get signed by the Patriots,

2152
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:37,200
Speaker 1: and that made it a dune deal. Other people did too,

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01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:40,439
Speaker 1: Other people had almighty. I mean, it's not like Victorus

2154
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:43,160
Speaker 1: sy isn't plugged in. It's just like revisionist history. Yes

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01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:47,439
Speaker 1: it is actually now. I also now I also feel

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01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:49,559
Speaker 1: that I need to hold Eldred's feet to the fire

2157
01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:52,400
Speaker 1: a little. Yes, DK Metcalf was a good player. Pat

2158
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:55,200
Speaker 1: yourself on the bat. Please keep in mind Eldred also

2159
01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:58,639
Speaker 1: pounded the table for players like Stefan Hill, Terrence Williams,

2160
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:02,639
Speaker 1: Coudaro Patterson. I love Biggie and the passion he brings,

2161
01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:05,120
Speaker 1: but let's not act like he's flawless. Terrence Williams was

2162
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:09,320
Speaker 1: a good player. Okay, you mentioned Cordarrel Patterson. To me

2163
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:12,959
Speaker 1: about Quentin Johnston, He's not even as fast as Cordarill Patterson.

2164
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:16,000
Speaker 1: But I think that that's not a bad comparison in

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01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:18,120
Speaker 1: terms of playing style. I think those two guys have

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01:52:18,160 --> 01:52:22,080
Speaker 1: some over But Cordaryl Patterson, like you could say, Okay,

2167
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:24,559
Speaker 1: maybe he's not like the elite wide receiver that some

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01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:27,840
Speaker 1: people thought he was gonna be. Certainly not what good

2169
01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:30,720
Speaker 1: football player for a long time. Yeah, he's a good fight.

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01:52:31,120 --> 01:52:32,880
Speaker 1: If that was a miss for me in the draft,

2171
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:36,240
Speaker 1: if I'm eldred, I'll take that. Yeah. Uh now some

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01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:40,240
Speaker 1: draft style over unders ready, Okay, times we hear rich

2173
01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 1: eyes and say and there it is thirty one point

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01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:49,200
Speaker 1: five first round only been over. Uh times Patriots double

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01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:55,160
Speaker 1: up on a position one and a hey, I'm gonna

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01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:58,000
Speaker 1: say over. Yeah, I'm gonna say I'm gonna yeah. I

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01:52:58,040 --> 01:53:01,720
Speaker 1: agree with Paul, You're gonna get two defensive backs, two

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01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:06,200
Speaker 1: offensive linemen something like yeah, absolutely wide receivers drafted Hey

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01:53:06,640 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 1: over over Yeah, tackle tackles drafted one and a hay

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01:53:13,720 --> 01:53:16,559
Speaker 1: off the bridge tackles drafted one and the Hey, I'll

2181
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:21,240
Speaker 1: take the yeah. Defensive players drafted four and a hay

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01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 1: under Yeah, two or three defensive players and it's eleven picks.

2183
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:32,120
Speaker 1: If it's over that I'm gonna I'm also leaving. Yeah,

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01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the under. That's a good that's a

2185
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:37,920
Speaker 1: good over under. He set there good trades picks and

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01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:43,280
Speaker 1: suicide watch trades after last year, Like I'm not I'm

2187
01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:45,240
Speaker 1: not like these guys. I think the defense needs a

2188
01:53:45,240 --> 01:53:48,559
Speaker 1: lot of help, but I think it's less help than

2189
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:51,160
Speaker 1: like six and five. Like I think there's more offense.

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01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:54,400
Speaker 1: Give me. It's a corner and a rotational end. Yep,

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01:53:54,840 --> 01:53:58,400
Speaker 1: thank you. Trades picks or players three and a hay

2192
01:53:58,640 --> 01:54:04,000
Speaker 1: over over trades, trades under under three and a hay

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01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:08,400
Speaker 1: over under over uh. And finally draft picks. The fans

2194
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 1: love hey under way over, The fans love yeah, way over.

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01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:18,080
Speaker 1: They'll be like nine out of eleven. Well, big banged,

2196
01:54:18,120 --> 01:54:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, man, plush draft. I liked it, like the straw. Yeah,

2197
01:54:25,479 --> 01:54:29,840
Speaker 1: I like, I'm the straw. How many times like the

2198
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:32,240
Speaker 1: head part, the people just shaking their head, Like the

2199
01:54:32,360 --> 01:54:35,160
Speaker 1: head coach claims that the Devin mccordy draft was panned

2200
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:38,120
Speaker 1: by everybody until I looked up all the grades. But

2201
01:54:38,160 --> 01:54:43,120
Speaker 1: again you're talking media. That cracks me up. Belichick fans

2202
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:47,480
Speaker 1: all love it, except for the first round pick that

2203
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:50,440
Speaker 1: could be split. The first round. The first round pick

2204
01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:54,400
Speaker 1: last year was unanimously correct. That's why I said the

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01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 1: first round pick sometimes can be can be panned. Running

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01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:00,000
Speaker 1: away from that would be nice to have a guy

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01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,360
Speaker 1: I liked that on our team. Who is that Garret Wilson? Yeah?

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01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:05,480
Speaker 1: Who was he? Running away from jail Mills? It's just

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01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:12,600
Speaker 1: a quick clip, all right, what's that like? Running away?

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01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:15,440
Speaker 1: All Right? That's it for this show. Yeah, I gotta,

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01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:19,720
Speaker 1: we gotta. But it was a good show. A lot

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01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:23,680
Speaker 1: of lively talk. Thanks. I think it's really intriguing. Yeah,

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01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:25,240
Speaker 1: just to put im like, I have no idea if

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01:55:25,240 --> 01:55:28,320
Speaker 1: there's any validity to it. But it's listen, it's it's

2215
01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:31,800
Speaker 1: not every day that the head coach may be interested

2216
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:34,839
Speaker 1: in trading the starting quarterback. I'm just I'm finding annoying.

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01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for an actual offseason show where there isn't

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01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:40,320
Speaker 1: any actual Patriots football stuff to talk about, because every

2219
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:43,000
Speaker 1: time there seems like there's something. Don't stop. Yeah, so

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01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:45,960
Speaker 1: we can talk about movies and stuff like that, right, all, right,

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01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:48,600
Speaker 1: then we'll really lose heaven. We will see you on

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Speaker 1: Thursday at noon draft. Thank you for downloading this podcast.

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