1 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: Y'all welcome to the Crime Round Up with Cheryl McCollum 2 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: and the Rodeo Queen herself, Nancy Grace. You know what, Nancy, 3 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: You've had family in town. I've got family in town. 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: You've got your old study partner with you with me. 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: Here is my longtime friend, Frank, who was my study partner. 6 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: I named a character after him in one of my books. 7 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: He was a let's see, Frank, you were a Papa 8 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 2: Rozzi from a tabloid or just really lower tier papa. Yeah, 9 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: lower tier paper. Yes, yes, please just talk for enough set. Okay, 10 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: Actually he's really smart. It was the law clerk for 11 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: the Mississippi Supreme Court forever. 12 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: I have been so sentimental all week because I have 13 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: an intern and she every day begs me to tell 14 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: some story. And you know what I thought about today? 15 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: Oh no, your old office. 16 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 2: See for how did I get into your story pipeline? 17 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 2: You get your own stories. 18 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying to impress this child, you know. 19 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: I had to. 20 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: Pull the Nadsy Grats card as quick as I could. 21 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: Well gosh, my office of at the district to chorney's officer, 22 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: like somebody dumped a cardboard box full of documents. 23 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: Do you know that was my favorite office ever. I 24 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: always just felt so engrossed. It was almost like it 25 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: was half law office half museum. You always had something 26 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: so extraordinary in there to just peak your interest. You 27 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: would have a clock, you would have a weapon, you 28 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: would have a shirt. Always something, but. 29 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: A clock, a weapon, a shirt. Wait a minute, have 30 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: you forgotten my pride and joy from my first bank 31 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: robbery case? Don't touch the awl ram, this is a robie. 32 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 2: So I wondered, Cheryl, how could I be so lucky 33 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 2: to get to prosecute a bank robbery because you know 34 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 2: that's usually federal case, you know, because the federal ensuring, 35 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: the Feds ensuring the bank deposits. But I was just 36 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 2: so happy. Well I found out why because nobody, nobody 37 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 2: could identify the perp. This is what happened. They had video, 38 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: surveillance video, but it was slow mo. Then it would 39 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: come out as little pictures, single pictures. And the guy 40 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: was wearing a wig, a fate was sashed, a fake beard, 41 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: aviator glasses, a hat, a longsleu shirt, a suit and shoes. 42 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: Nobody could identify it. But he was flew footed. He 43 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: won't like a duck. It's all I knew. He came 44 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: up to the bank teller with the bank robbery now 45 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 2: and he was dyslexic, and the bank robbery note said, 46 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: don't touch the al ram. This is a robi al ram. 47 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: He reversed the L on the R the alarm, get 48 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: it and so long story short. In the end, when 49 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: you don't have a witness and you can't find any evidence, 50 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: where do you go the Fulton County jail. Somebody knows something, okay, 51 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 2: So I happened to pull on one guy that used 52 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: to room with him, and it turns out the last 53 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: time he saw the defendant, I said, well, what was 54 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: he doing before? You know y'all split ways over money? 55 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: He said he was sewing a suit. The bank robber 56 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: had on a breakaway suit that he sewed. The bike 57 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: up the suit. He yanked it off when he left 58 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: the building and he had on shorts and athletic socks underneath, 59 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: and drove off with the money on a bicycle as 60 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: the police for arriving anyway. In the end, he did 61 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: a handwriting analysis, and that's where I first learned about 62 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: handwriting exemplars. When he did his handwriting analysis, he reversed 63 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: every other word a spell like al ram. And he 64 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: had heard of punctuation, but didn't really get the whole concept. 65 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: And so he had he had apostrophes and commas and 66 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: exclamation points and quotation marks all through everything you wrote 67 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: for no reason, just like he did on the bank 68 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: robbery note. So that's how I ended up getting a conviction. 69 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: And plus he unwisely took the stand, and you know, 70 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 2: all twelve jars were hanging over the rail to watch 71 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 2: him walk, and sure enough he was slew footed. You 72 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 2: walked like a duck. That sealed it. I kept the exemplar. 73 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: It had been blown up to show the jury, and 74 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: that was framed on my wall of my office. That's 75 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: where this story was going. The office. 76 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: Oh I remember, I remember the note. I remember. You know. 77 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: I'm a little dyslexic myself, as you know, so I 78 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: always kind of felt bad when somebody got caught in 79 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: that manner. Remember the kid that we had that used 80 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: to go around spray paint and Psycho everywhere because that 81 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: was his gang name, but he couldn't spell it and 82 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: it was always misspelled. And when he came in the 83 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: first time, you just lit a piece of paper over 84 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: there and said, write Psycho. It's like, well you're done, son. 85 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 2: Well, And there was a sawed off shotgun. 86 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: There's that. Yep. 87 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,239 Speaker 2: A guy was in jail for rape. He got out 88 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: after seven years. He pretends he's got car shuble on 89 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 2: the side and now he held He tries to get 90 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: a ride with the lady on the side of the road. 91 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: He picks her up. What did he do? Pull a 92 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: sawed off shotgun and raped her. He had not been 93 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 2: out of jail twenty four hour, Cheryl before he raped somebody. 94 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: I kept the sawt off. 95 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: I remember that case because the sawd off was on 96 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: your shelf. I mean it was wide open for God 97 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: and country as soon as you walked in there. That's 98 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: why I'm telling you. See four seventeen, y'all was a classroom. 99 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: To me. It was just one of the most extraordinary 100 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: places to hang out ever, because you always had some artifact, 101 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: some unbelievable you know, mason jar full of something, a 102 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: bag full of something. There was always something that you 103 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: could just it was great office. 104 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: This was a great office, and it was one of 105 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 2: the smallest offices in the whole courthouse. But I picked 106 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: it for a reason, and I never wanted to move 107 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 2: out of it because it was two floors below the 108 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 2: courtroom where I worked, and two floors above my boss, 109 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 2: mister Slayton, and I didn't think the elevators worked fast enough, 110 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 2: so it was right beside the stairwell so it could 111 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: be out. You know, he had come over that loud 112 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: speaker and strike fear in everyone's heart and said, Grace, 113 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: come in the office. My oh, dear lord, I'd take off. 114 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: And you know that man was the longest serving district 115 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: attorney in the country, mister Slayton. 116 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: Yep. 117 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. He was a great, great leader, really, and 118 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: I was like a grandfather to me. And you know 119 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: the thing about mister Slayton. At that time, women minorities 120 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: were not allowed to be trial lawyers. If you were 121 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: a female or a minority, you would have to like, 122 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: let's see do deadbeat dad, you know, collect child support. 123 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: You could go to juvenile where they don't have juries. 124 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: You could draw up indictments. But he was completely different, 125 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: very progressive and always had been. If you could get 126 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: in there and try cases, you could be a trial lawyer. 127 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: And I really had a great, great opportunity. He let 128 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: me become a trial lawyer. 129 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: Now he was a wonderful man. But you know, that's 130 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: one thing I was thinking this week again, telling stories 131 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: just kind of you know, you turn up all different 132 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: feelings when you're doing that. But this, of course was 133 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: a crazy week with Karen Read and all that madness. 134 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: But here's what made me come up with this memory. 135 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: There's so many people, of course, upset by the hung jury. 136 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: But I remember one time you said, and I'm quoting best, 137 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: I can I believe in redemption. I'm just not concerned 138 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: with it. Do you remember saying that. 139 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: Yes, it's all coming back to me now, how people 140 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: would find the Lord and want forgiveness. I'm like, I'm 141 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 2: all for forgiveness, and I want you to find the Lord. 142 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: But you can do that in a prison cell. 143 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: That's what you said. 144 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: You get real close to God in a prison cell. 145 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: There's not distractions. He can talk to him all day long. 146 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: I want to kind of just go back into something 147 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier in the day, just the 148 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: two of us. But Nicki McCain, let's please talk about 149 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: her case, because you got a thirty nine year old 150 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: mama that is gone missing, nobody's seen her her truck 151 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: was found in a remote part of the county. 152 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: Did you see her sisters? Did you see them on MSM? 153 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: It's gonna post later tonight to well it posted. It's 154 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 2: posted to MSM, and it posted to MSM immediately, of course, 155 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: but now it's it's on YouTube as well. The two sisters. 156 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 2: I kept looking at them, Cheryl. They look just like 157 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 2: NICKI just like her, all three beautiful, stunning, articulate, smart, 158 00:09:52,840 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: loving mother of four children, Nicki McCain. They call her 159 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: Nikki Chang. That's what they call her. Her sisters called her. 160 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: I mean, three gorgeous sisters, loving and just out of 161 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: the blue. They text back and forth all the time, 162 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: and it took them. Oh gosh, she texted them. I 163 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: guess it was a Friday night, around midnight, and on 164 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: Monday morning they've been texting back and forth and it 165 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: was Monday morning before they realized. Wait wait, wait, I 166 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: haven't heard from her since Friday, So whatever happened got 167 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: a forty eight hour lead. 168 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: Well. May seventeen is when that last tax exchange happened, 169 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: and then the truck was found May twenty fifth, again 170 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: in this remote part. But you know, Nancy, when I 171 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: watched you talk with her two sisters. Again. I tell 172 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: people all the time, there is no better advocate. You 173 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: have lived that side of it, and you lead with 174 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: your heart on every case you have ever worked. And 175 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: here's what struck me. Just like you said, they are 176 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: very clear in what happened. They are very clear of 177 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: what did and most importantly, what did not happen. Like 178 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: they you flat ask them, would she have left her children? 179 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: And they were like, no, of course never. And that 180 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: whole exchange between the three of you, I thought was 181 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: very powerful but also very important to anybody that's going 182 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: to investigate this case. There was a ton of victimology 183 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: in that interview. 184 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: A lot of parents are like cats. They have the 185 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: children and then they just leave, and they just walk 186 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 2: off and leave that. You know, I have a lot 187 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: of friends and they're wonderful, that they're great, and they're 188 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: great parents, but they like to take time away. Nothing 189 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: makes me more angry than when somebody says, oh, I 190 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: can't I bet you can't wait for your twins to 191 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: get away to college. I'm like, I actually feel sick 192 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: about it. I don't say that anymore. Of course, I 193 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: want them to be their own person. And you know, 194 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: follow their dreams. I would just like to be doing 195 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: it with them. I know this is not going to happen. 196 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: I understand that in my head, but in my heart, 197 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: I don't. But she was not one of those moms. 198 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 2: You know, those moms that they're happy when the children 199 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 2: go away to camp. And I get it. My mom 200 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: is a great mom, and I'm sure she was thrilled 201 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: when I finally got to go to four age camp 202 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 2: once a year, thirty seven dollars, oh for the day, 203 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 2: a whole week too, Monday through Friday. But that was 204 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: not her. She would never leave those four children. And 205 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 2: it's routine evidence. I don't mean typical evidence. I mean 206 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 2: evidence of routine that was not her routine. If I 207 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: didn't show up for the crime roundup, there would be 208 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: something very wrong. Of course I'm going to be late, 209 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: that's just a given. But I'm going to be there 210 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 2: come hell or high water. That's you know. That would 211 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 2: if I would be like me not shoving up in 212 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: the anchor chair, that has never happened. So what I'm 213 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 2: saying is this isn't right. She didn't take off for 214 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: a girl's weekend or me time. She's not somewhere sitting 215 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: in one of those big vats of hot mud. That's 216 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: not happening. She's not getting massaged, she's not getting her 217 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: nails done. She's been taken or something as bad as 218 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 2: happened to her. And did you see where they found 219 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 2: her vehicle or Chevy Avalanche a huge overpass bridge and 220 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: her vehicle was under the bridge, I mean, like really tall, 221 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 2: like a mountain pass type over It reminds me a 222 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 2: little bit of the trestle bridge in Delphi. But that's 223 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: not right, that's not right at all. And with the 224 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: husband's history of domestic abuse, I mean, Cheryl, I'm not 225 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: calling him out yet, but I will say, when you 226 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 2: don't know a horse, look at his track record. 227 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: And there's no way not to look at this man. 228 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: Number one is the husband. You always look at the 229 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: husband when you've got a spouse that has gone and 230 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: gotten a protective order and then they've got a court 231 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: date coming up where you are being accused of domestic 232 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: violence and that's when she goes missing. And here's the 233 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: other you know, big hits. This sounds like Scott Peterson 234 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: and the Missing Mom in Colorado, where you've got a 235 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: husband that does not search for them. You've got a 236 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: husband that didn't call down one one and report them missing. 237 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: You've got a husband that gave three different stories as 238 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: to where she was. Now, let's just go over these, 239 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: miss Grace. The first reason he gave is she left 240 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: to go be with her lesbian lover. Second one, she 241 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: took an uber and left, and the third one she 242 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: left him to go to Las Vegas. 243 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: Okay, let me pick between those three. We've got three 244 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: choices here, take off with an ahbor and never come back, 245 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: yet he didn't report her to nine one one, take 246 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: off with his lesbian lover, there's no history of her 247 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: having a lover at all. And the third choice, go 248 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: to Vegas. She were in Vegas, we could trick her 249 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: with her atm, her credit cards, her cell phone pings. 250 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 2: None of that is true. No evidence in Uber came 251 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: to her location, nothing lies. Those are all lies, which 252 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: leads me to why would he lie about it? 253 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: Exactly? And common sense tells you if I took an Uber, 254 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: then how did my truck wind up in the middle 255 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: of the county under a bridge? That didn't make any sense. 256 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: Las Vegas has got more cameras than anywhere else practically 257 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: on earth. Nobody has seen her, you said, nothing financially 258 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: is shown up, no hotel, no money. She hasn't accessed 259 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: anything bank accounts, she hasn't called a check on the children. 260 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: She hasn't contacted her sisters, which would never occur. So, yeah, 261 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: those are three things that don't make any sense to anybody. 262 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: Well, another thing, there's a lot of domestic violence going 263 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: on in the world. And, as men's rights groups love 264 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: to point out to me, me and can be domestic 265 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: violence victims too. Yeah, right, Well, about one one and 266 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: a half percent of all domestic violence victims are men. 267 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: But okay, you win, there are some. In this particular case, 268 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: the of the domestic violence is even more disturbing. It 269 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 2: wasn't just a punch, As if that's not enough, It 270 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: wasn't just a slap. He bound her by her hands 271 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: and feet. He beat her horrible. He put tape over 272 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 2: her mouth, and after an hour's long beating, poured cold 273 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 2: water on her threatened to kill her. Now to me, 274 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 2: that sounds like a dry run for murder. And it 275 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: was this incident that led us to the court date 276 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 2: which was about to occur. When she goes missing and 277 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 2: she is the only witness for the state. Without her, 278 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: there may not be a case. Now, in my mind, 279 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 2: there's more than one way to skin a cat to 280 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 2: prove that case. But that said, the reality is she 281 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 2: is the state's only eyewitness to that and now the 282 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: case will fall apart without her. 283 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: And that's the thing. When her sister and she were Texan, 284 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: she had told her that she was headed to her 285 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: mother in laws to take her vehicle back to the 286 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: mother in law, So she's telling them, this is where 287 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: I'm going. So possibly the last people to see her 288 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: would be the husband and the mother in law. Possibly, 289 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: I don't know why at midnight you wouldn't be telling 290 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: the truth about where you were going. 291 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 2: And I questioned them very carefully about the text because 292 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: we know, in for instance, the Gabby Potito case and 293 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 2: others victims and I'm air quoting that have sent texts 294 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 2: and those texts don't sound like the victim wrote them. 295 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: Have you ever gotten text from people that are verbose? 296 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 2: Why say it in five words when you can say 297 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 2: it in eighty words and they'll send you a three 298 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 2: paragraph text. It's painful. She had a unique style to 299 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 2: her texting, and the sisters agreed that was her texting 300 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 2: around midnight the night she was driving that vehicle back 301 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: to her mother in laws. They say that was her. 302 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 2: Remember the Gabby Patito case. Brian Laundry wrote Gabby Bettito's 303 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 2: family and says something asked about her grandfather and referred 304 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: to him by his name. That would be like me 305 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 2: saying have you spoken to Elizabeth Grace my mom today? 306 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: That would never happen and so it was obviously not 307 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 2: her texting. They are convinced it was her texting. Could 308 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: they be wrong? Yeah? Do I think they're wrong? No, 309 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 2: But that's where you start the timeline and you sharell 310 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: of all people. You have established so many timelines in cases, 311 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: that's where your investigation starts. 312 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you know, her sister, she made a Facebook 313 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: post where she said the last time she saw her 314 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: that she was terrified that her husband had used bullying, brainwashing, 315 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: and intimidation to basically, you know, just control her and 316 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: make her believe that he was untouchable. That if he 317 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: stayed near his tribe and his people been bad, whatever happened. 318 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 2: To you, you know. The Shasta County District Attorney's office 319 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 2: moved to dismiss the case. Against the husband, the domestic 320 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 2: violence case against Tyler McCain. It happened. Now they reserve 321 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: the right to refile it. But that is a disturbing moment. 322 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: The state had to drop its case. Hey, speaking of 323 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 2: dropping cases, the Alec Baldwin case, which number one, I agree. Okay, 324 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,719 Speaker 2: you may need to sit down for this. I do 325 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 2: not think that Alec Baldwin meant to shoot anyone. That 326 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: it's not a malice murder case. Gosh, that really felt 327 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,959 Speaker 2: wrong coming out of my mouth. Did to say something 328 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: is not it's murder case, but it's not. It's not 329 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 2: a malice murder case. It's not a voluntary I don't 330 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 2: think it's a voluntary I do believe it is an 331 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 2: involuntary manslaughter case. But whatever they decide in that jurisdiction, 332 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: I'm watching it. But speaking of dropping cases, remember the 333 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 2: district attorney dropped the case against Baldwin and then refiled it. 334 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 2: That's never a good look because the defense can stand 335 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 2: up and say, listen, the state thought so little of 336 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 2: their case they dropped it and then felt pressure to 337 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: refile it. Is that what happened in Baldwin's case. I 338 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: don't know that, but It's never a good look when 339 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: you drop your case. I had a mistrial once. In 340 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 2: the middle of my opening statement, I called a sex 341 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: trafficker pimp, which he was. He pimped out a little 342 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 2: thirteen year old girl, and I got called on in 343 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 2: an opening statements. It wasn't untrue, but he had not 344 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 2: been indicted with that, so the case got thrown out. 345 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: I went straight down to the grand jury, got it 346 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: reindicted with the same felony charges plus a misdemeanor pimping charge, 347 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: and the following Thursday restruckting you jury and tried the 348 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: case again. That said, it's never a good strategy. It's 349 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: never a good moment when the state drops case or 350 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: has the case dismissed. In this case, his domestic violence 351 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 2: charges were dropped because they don't have a witness. What 352 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 2: are you going to do? 353 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: That is just the devil at work, because again, why 354 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: is she missing if it's at his hand? How utterly 355 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: disgusting is that. 356 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 2: Many people think it's very difficult to prove the case 357 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 2: without a body. I disagree. I don't think that a 358 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: defendant shoul get a gold star or an A plus 359 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 2: just because he can get rid of a body that said, 360 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: the husband has not been charged, she's not been named 361 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 2: a person of interest, and a course remains innocent and 362 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: the eyes of Lady Justice until he's been proving guilty 363 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: beyond a reasonable doubt. Just wanted to get that in there. 364 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: Well, I will quote Nancy Grace once again, Oh dear, 365 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: when we were faced with something very similar, and you 366 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: told that jury don't reward him for being a good criminal. 367 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: Again, when you don't know a horse, look at his 368 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: try record. That's what he did. And that was not 369 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 2: just a slap in the face. That sounds like a 370 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 2: dry run for murder. Binding her at that wrist, the hands, 371 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 2: putting tape over her mouth. He said, I'm going to 372 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: kill you. And now she's gone, Wow, what a koinky dank. 373 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: And here's the other reality. She would not have left 374 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: her children. But if she had left her children to 375 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: go meet a lover, wouldn't she need her car? Wouldn't 376 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: she need her cell phone? Wouldn't she need some money? 377 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 2: Well, Cheryl, the lesbian lover was driving a Bentley. She 378 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 2: didn't need her car, and they went to Vegas whatt 379 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 2: in disguise, and they're using all cash. I mean, you 380 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: know he's just spinning out. All those things were lies. 381 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: Now a lie is not a felony. But why lie? 382 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: Why do you have to lie about where she is? 383 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: And it's still the mother of your children. Why would 384 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: you not be looking for her when her sisters called 385 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: and said we can't reach her. Have you heard from her? 386 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: That should have sparked, Hey, wait a minute, I thought 387 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: she'd just ran off with somebody. 388 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 2: You're telling me she's really missing. Remember Anna Walch, Yes, 389 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 2: she just quote got in an Abor and Frank, wasn't 390 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 2: it New Year's Day? In an Abor on New Year's 391 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 2: Day and just disappeared three am to go to quote 392 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 2: work unquote and has never been seen again. 393 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: And see, that's another thing. If she ordered an uber 394 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: that would be on her phone, that would be a 395 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: record in real time it didn't happen. And order an 396 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: uber to go where again? If you have that app, 397 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: it would show this is where I was picked up, 398 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: this is where I asked them to take me. 399 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 2: There's another issue, Cheryl, the tribal lands. Cheryl. I hate 400 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 2: to even think about it because it gets me so 401 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: upset about the abuse, the child abuse, the domestic abuse, 402 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: the homicides, the way women are treated according to the 403 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 2: little statistics that we have on tribal lands, and there's 404 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: nothing we can do about it. It's remember we couldn't 405 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 2: They couldn't even get a full on search of the 406 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 2: around the rancheria they were people were allowed to search 407 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: within a certain disc of the casino. That's very upsetting. 408 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: Well, allegedly her husband made it clear he was bulletproof, 409 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: and he is. 410 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 2: You know what, I like nothing more than a defendant 411 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 2: that says he's bulletproof. It just makes it so much more. 412 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I try so much harder when someone is 413 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 2: that arrogant on top of everything else. 414 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: Did you see him walking into court when he flipped 415 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: off the reporter. 416 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: I tell you what Cheryl think about it. If your 417 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 2: child or your husband goes missing, I don't think I 418 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 2: could eat. I don't think I could sleep until I 419 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 2: found them. And he is not out looking. And I've 420 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 2: had many a defense attorney tell me there's no playbook 421 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: for grief. If I hear that one more time, I'm 422 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 2: going to shoot my foot. Yes, there's no playbook for grief. 423 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: People react differently to all sorts of situations, But when 424 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: you're wife, the mother of your four children is missing. 425 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: So long story short, all eyes are on him. Did 426 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 2: he do it? Don't know. Is he a suspect. Nobody 427 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 2: said that, Nobody said he's a person of interest. But 428 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 2: this is what I know. She's missing and she would 429 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: never do this on her own. And another thing, it 430 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 2: seems as if the case, the search for Nicki McCain 431 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 2: has been getting no traction. You know how I find 432 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: out found out about it. Somebody wrote me about it 433 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 2: on Twitter. 434 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: I saw that and they were like, I hope Nance 435 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: Grace digs into this one. And I was like, well, honey, 436 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: Katie bought her the door, as she does because you 437 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: know it's going to be owned. But this is the 438 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: exact type of case you should be on. This is 439 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: in your wheelhouse. The case is that everybody else is 440 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: ignoring that need the most coverage. They've put up a 441 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: local billboard. But honey, they need you, no question about it. 442 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: It concerns me because if she or her body is 443 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 2: on tribal land, how are we going to find it. 444 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 2: The first thing I think they need to do is 445 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 2: get a warm and ping his phone. That's the first 446 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: thing they need to do, and see where he's been. 447 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 2: Oh yes, speaking of pinging phones? What about that? Idgit 448 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: Brian Cooburger, Oh yeah, what do you make of the 449 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 2: receipt for the Dickie's uniform? You know he's a shopaholic. 450 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 2: First he buys a k bar knife on Amazon and 451 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 2: it exactly matches the sheap that's found in the home, 452 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 2: but no knife. Then he has a receipt for the 453 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: Dickie's uniform with the tag sitting neatly on top of 454 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: the receipt. I mean, see anal compulsive maybe you know, 455 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: I'm going fast and furious. You can find a receipt 456 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 2: in one place, a tag somewhere else. It's a jumble, 457 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: But with him, they're sitting neatly together, one on top 458 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 2: of the other. And the uniform is gone, not in 459 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: his closet, not in his stuff, not in his car. 460 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: So why did he buy the uniform for. 461 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: What exactly a quick change, no doubt about it. 462 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 2: But the self Yeah, the cell phone things. I just 463 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 2: wonder if a delay in handing over discovery in that 464 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: case has anything to do, and I hope it does. 465 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 2: I hope the state's not just dragging their feet with 466 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 2: them still developing the information. Are they still developing cell 467 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 2: phone data and video montage of where he was. I'm 468 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 2: just holding out hope that that's what they're doing, you know. 469 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: I got I read a lot of negative comments about 470 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 2: the author, Howard Bloom, who just wrote this new book 471 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 2: about Brian Coburger. I thought it was I really thought 472 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 2: the book was fascinating. He did so much background, intense, 473 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: intense research to write that book. 474 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: I just want to say one more thing. I wish 475 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: somebody would also say to me, well, there's no playbook 476 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: on grief when talking about Nikki Chen because my question 477 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: would be, why is he grieving unless he knows for 478 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: sure she's dead, And the only reason he would know 479 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: that is because he did it. 480 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 2: So what do you think, Cheryl? Okay, can we just 481 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 2: be blunt? I think I didn't want to say it 482 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 2: to the sisters because they're holding out hope they're going 483 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: to find her. I think it's gosh, I hate to 484 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: say it. I think she may no longer be with us, Cheryl. 485 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 2: I think she's been killed. 486 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: Nancy, if you and I were sitting in See four 487 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: seventeen right now, I would absolutely tell you not only 488 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: is he a person of interest, he should be the 489 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: only person of interest. 490 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 2: Well, We can't say that, Cheryl, because the first thing 491 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 2: that would be said at trial is you had tunnel 492 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 2: vision and this is the only suspect you looked at. 493 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: And you have to keep an open field. You have 494 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 2: to track down all possibilities or it will bite you 495 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 2: in the rear end at trial. You have to. Plus, 496 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 2: you're trying to find the right guy, not just a guy, 497 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 2: but the right guy. So John David's here now, and 498 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 2: he went vagabonding around today and he came home with 499 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: a shirt that says Gallio fino and it has a 500 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 2: giant rooster, you know, he's like a whiz of Spanish, 501 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 2: and it's around a bunch of Benjamins on the bottom. 502 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 2: I says, Son, what is that? And he goes, well, Mom, 503 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 2: that means the rich Chicken. It's the most garish T 504 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 2: shirt I have ever seen. I'm like, Son, you know 505 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 2: that's about cock fighting, right, And he's like what. I'm like, Yes, 506 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 2: you're wearing a cock fighting T shirt. It's a rooster 507 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 2: on top of it's a rooster that looks like it 508 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: will attack and kill you, on top of these wads 509 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 2: of money. You know. The last time he came home 510 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 2: with it, Oh, it was my fault. I went somewhere 511 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 2: and you know how he loves Asian food. He actually 512 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 2: knows how to make Asian food. He can make his 513 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 2: own mochi. It's amazing. Everybody came. So I saw a 514 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 2: T shirt at the airport and said sin nudes, n 515 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 2: oo ds like noodles and has a teacher noodles on 516 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,719 Speaker 2: the front. I think, I thought, David love Asian and 517 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 2: so I got in this T shirt and we I 518 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 2: supposed to a picture of he and I on line. 519 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: I went somebody said, you got your son a T 520 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 2: shirt that Sin says Sin nudes. And then of course 521 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 2: it hit me, mommy did not do a good job 522 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 2: that day. Neiless to say. The shirt has been retired, 523 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 2: just like that T shirt is going bye bye. Okay, Cheryl, 524 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 2: I'm on the case. Nicky McCain, We're on it. 525 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much. Bye y'all, Love you dearly. 526 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is the prime roundup with 527 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: Zones Heaven