1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:01,360 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 2: I wasn't enjoying writing and didn't feel like I had 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: it at the moment. I think that's just how it is. 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 2: You know, some people are an exercise songwriter. They're gonna 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 2: go write four songs a week, five songs a week 6 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: or more, and this is what it is. And I'm 7 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: not one of those. If I don't feel something pretty present, 8 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: I don't ever necessarily want to wrestle it out. I 9 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 2: wanted to come across what it does. 10 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Taken a Walk Podcast with your host, 11 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: Buzz Knight. Buzz speaks with musicians across all genres who 12 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: share their love of music, their influences, and their new projects. Today, 13 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: Buzz is joined by someone who's part of Nashville Royalty UMG. 14 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: Nashville singer songwriter Sam Williams is the grandson of Hank 15 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: and the son of outlaw legend Hank Williams Junior, an 16 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: iconic family rich with music history, and Sam is making 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: his own mark today with new music Act one the 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: release of Scarlet Lonesome. His music is also part of 19 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: the new circ De Sola produce show Songblazers, a journey 20 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: into country music. Here's Buzz with Sam Williams on Taking 21 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: a Walk. 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: Sam Williams, thanks for being on the Take on a 23 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 3: Walk podcast. It's an honor to meet you. 24 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, buzz. I'm happy to virtually meet you 25 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: today this morning. 26 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: So what is it like being part of one of 27 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 3: Nashville's royal families? What are the pluses and what are 28 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 3: the minuses of that? Oh? 29 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: I mean I think that there's obviously like a neatness factor. 30 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 2: There's some stuff in my life that is just very neat, 31 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: like you know, it's like, well, okay, we're getting to 32 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 2: do this and this is random. I think more specifically 33 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: to my family, there's a very you know, I've been 34 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: through lots of lost early in my life, my sister 35 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: and my mom. There's a lot of tragedy that's been 36 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: you know, happened in my family throughout history. So there's 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: obvious pros and con I think as far as music, 38 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: you know, you might you can get in it, you 39 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: can get some attention from the name, absolutely, and it 40 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 2: depends what you do with it. And I've always from 41 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 2: the get go kind of been very adamant about having 42 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: my own sound, writing on music that really represents me 43 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: in the times that I live in now what I like. 44 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: So you know that when you get that there's a connotation, 45 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: you're always kind of going to be associated with the name. 46 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: So it can be difficult to you know, open people's 47 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: minds to something that they've attached to for so long. 48 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 2: But you know, it's it's it's pretty interesting. It's it 49 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 2: could be the best of both worlds and double edged shore, 50 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: that's for sure. 51 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 3: I did speak with way Jennings from another famous family 52 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: on this podcast, you know, regarding his famous grandfather, and 53 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 3: he said a lot of people think it would be 54 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: easier for an artist who already has a foot in 55 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: the door, but it's it's harder because you've not only 56 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 3: got to get to the door, but then you have 57 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 3: to break out of a shadow. Would you tend to 58 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 3: agree with that? 59 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 2: I mean absolutely, especially in I don't know how it 60 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: would have been, you know, say forty fifty years ago, 61 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 2: in my dad's time, it'd be a lot different than 62 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: it is now for so many reasons. But in that, 63 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: you know, the age of social media, in the age 64 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: of comparison and constant you know, instant gratification at all times, 65 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: it's a little different. You know, you can see anybody's 66 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: opinion on anything at any moment, so it is hard 67 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: to get out from. I'm thankful that for me, it's 68 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: not really an effort. It's very I mean, not that 69 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: I don't try, you know, I'm not intentful in what 70 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: I do, but making music that's you know me, truly 71 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: me myself is easy for me. It's just what I 72 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,839 Speaker 2: naturally do. So and also just there's just the barrier though, 73 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: the disconnect between people want kind of have more of 74 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: the same and the same, like torch carrying of the 75 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: same thing that they are in love with, you know 76 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: what I mean. So like if Drake's son makes music, 77 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: if his son curls up and he becomes an artist, 78 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: and I'm not feeling it, I'm going to be like, dang, well, 79 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 2: you know, I'm not going to say Drake's rolling in 80 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: this grave. I'm tired of that one. When I get 81 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: the Hank seniors rolling in his grave with somebody's opinion 82 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: of my look or music, I'm like, oh my goodness, 83 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 2: I've already been through this, y'all. I don't want to 84 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 2: hear what I have to say about it. Y'all not 85 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: want to get me started on that. 86 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 3: So how did you ultimately formulate your sound and find 87 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 3: your voice. It's very obvious from your work now in 88 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 3: frankly your previous work that you found this voice of 89 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: yours and this place. How did you go about finding that? 90 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: Well, when I really first started writing music, it was 91 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: about twenty seven team where I was actually writing music 92 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: and started to you know, work with other songwriters and 93 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 2: stuff when I was just you know, pretty young and 94 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: uh nineteen years old, and I really just you know, 95 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: found myself to write from life experience. I think what 96 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 2: I've you know, kind of reflected on it recently. I 97 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: think I had such a point to prove to myself 98 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: or to the world or anything that like, I had 99 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: a story that was mine to say that had you know, 100 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: just as much merit or more because it was real 101 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: in mind than anything before me. And I think, you know, 102 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: I just really focused on what makes my life unique, 103 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: what have I been through, and making music about that 104 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: from the get go worked out in my favor. Also 105 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: just incorporating all of my different influences and sounds you know, 106 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: growing up in the two thousands and you know, late 107 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 2: nineties and twenty and twenty tens into my music because 108 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: I didn't grow up listening to take senior music. Really, 109 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 2: it wasn't played at home or anything like that. My 110 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: parents did play a lot of music, though I think 111 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: my dad had been doing it for enough decades at 112 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: this point, you know, when I kind of came around 113 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: to discovering his catalog. I listened to some mainstream country 114 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 2: early on. I loved similarly Luke Bryant and you know, 115 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: I love Miranda, but it wasn't my forte mainstream country 116 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: growing up. So it was really easy for me when 117 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 2: I started to really find my voice in my in 118 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: my penmanship, you know, to bring all of me into 119 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: it and not to try to make you know, like 120 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 2: a basic Nashville sounding sound. And it can be a 121 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 2: struggle because sometimes you may think, well, you know, if 122 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 2: I would just do this, I could do this and 123 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: it would be boom people, it would it would you know, 124 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: it would take off, could do this thing that people do. 125 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 2: But you kind of have to see the worst and 126 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 2: staying true to yourself and telling your story in a 127 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: more just in a more real way of like letting 128 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 2: it happen. So, you know, I love to make all 129 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: kinds of popular and more commercial sound of music, but 130 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: the story of it in the in the picture I'm 131 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: painting is you know, very much more important to me 132 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: than that. At the same time, so. 133 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: This is your first project, in full project in three years, right, yeah, 134 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: So what was at the root of it taking maybe 135 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 3: that long? Obviously COVID didn't help. 136 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, my first album came out in August of twenty 137 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: twenty one, Glasshouse Children. My mom passed about seven eight 138 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: months after that, and still during COVID, and you know, 139 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: it's just, you know, these these things, those types of 140 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: things are so shocking to your whole life, not you know, 141 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: just to whatever you do for work. So just naturally 142 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: was that way. And I wasn't feeling music like that 143 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: for a second. The writing. I wasn't enjoying writing and 144 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: didn't feel like I had it at the moment. I 145 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: think that's just how it is. 146 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: You know. 147 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: Some people are an exercise songwriter. They're going to go 148 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: write four songs a week, five songs a week or more, 149 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: and that's just what it is. And I'm not one 150 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: of those. If I don't feel something pretty present, I 151 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: don't ever necessarily want to wrestle it out. I wanted to, 152 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: you know, come across what it does, so yeah, and 153 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: then I spent you know, the majority of all twenty 154 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: twenty three from the beginning making Scarlet Lonesome and not 155 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: really in any order of what Act one and the 156 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 2: other acts coming out, but just started making the project 157 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: and had the time to kind of curate it and 158 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: kind of developed the story of it as I was 159 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: writing and recording it. So it took a little bit longer, 160 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: but I think that it was important to do that. 161 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: You only get you know, the here and now, and 162 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: you can look at that as I needed to disc 163 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: right now, this right now, this right now, or you 164 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: can look at it as this is you know, you 165 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: get one shot and don't you know, give it the 166 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: careful time and caretaking before you take it. So I 167 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: think that was kind of part of it for me. 168 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: And I have a seven year old, so I'm just busy. 169 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 3: That I'll keep you busy. Yeah, But yeah, to your point, 170 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: why for something that just doesn't feel right right? Yeah, 171 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: So you work through the process. Who are some of 172 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 3: the folks that helped you work through the creative process 173 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 3: for this project? 174 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 2: I wrote songs with many different people for Scarlett A. 175 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: Loudson Acts one, two, and three. I mean, there's songs 176 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: from two thousand and seventeen until twenty twenty four, so 177 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 2: I was, you know, so wide span. But the producers 178 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: that wrote several songs with like Runaway and Scarlet Loudson 179 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: are two of my very good friends. Ben Roberts. He's 180 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: in an Americana band with his wife called Carolina Story. 181 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: They're amazing, and he's played guitar with me for a 182 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 2: long time. And a producer named Nathan Sexton. He's always 183 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: been a super popular studio cat kind of in Nashville, 184 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: and we have just a great bond of being at 185 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: the home studio and writing and recording and flushing out. 186 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 2: We sound crazy half the time. I talk about when 187 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: I hear a certain record, it's navy blue to me, 188 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: and this put sounds yellow and it's wrong and it's 189 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: just wrong when we'd still just to be navy blue. 190 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: So whatever, head take it out, we're just doing it again. 191 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: So we have an it's just in you know, working relationship, 192 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 2: and it's just that's how I like to make music. 193 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: I'm not really a go in to the studio one cut, 194 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: and that's how it is in this day and age. 195 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: You got to take a little bit more time with it. 196 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: I think my grandfather's quote about writing a song can 197 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: still stand true. And sometimes if you can't write it 198 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: in fifteen or twenty whatever minutes, it's it's not even 199 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: worth writing. I think that can be true for some things, 200 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 2: but not for everything. When it comes to getting a 201 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: vocal right, I'm going to dig the vocal until I 202 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 2: get it right, for sure. 203 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 3: There's a lot of raw emotion on these songs that 204 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 3: really comes through and really grabs you. Talk about a 205 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: couple of the songs here and maybe you know, get 206 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 3: your take on the creation of them and what they 207 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: mean to you. First of all, talk about the touching 208 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: song I Was Home. 209 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: I was Home. I Was Home and was written the 210 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: same year my mom passed, and I wrote it with 211 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: Mary Goshe, who I've done for a long time. I 212 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: wrote Happy All the time that Dolly Parton was featured 213 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 2: on with Mary and Audre May. It's amazing and it 214 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: was kind of where I was. And it's difficult to 215 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: get excited about writing something that's like painful, and it 216 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: can be, you know. I think that you can have 217 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 2: some things that are kind of blocked, especially in songwriting, 218 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: and my sister passed away in twenty twenty four years ago, 219 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: and she was my best friend and we were raised 220 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: our kids together. She was everything to me, and I 221 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: still haven't really referenced her specifically in my music specifically, 222 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 2: even though I've done lots and lots of things, because 223 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: for some reason, I can't bring myself always to the 224 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 2: when I'm writing to want us talk about it. Very open, 225 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 2: very open about grace, very open about most anything in 226 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: my life for the most part, and that's kind of 227 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: part of my thing. But I was home writing the 228 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: song that I kind of felt, you know, the longing, 229 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 2: and I think it's a little bit just in my 230 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: DNA in general. But carrying on for my first record 231 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: at class out, you know, a sense of belonging and 232 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: longing for home and wanting to you know, have that 233 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 2: sense of acceptance and all those things. And I think 234 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 2: the subject matter of my first album, and my sister 235 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 2: passed before I came out, my mother had passed, and 236 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: being in you know, a city with not a humongous 237 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: network of people raising my child, working in a career, 238 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 2: and you know rapidly it can be difficult and not 239 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: feeling that you know that the where you come from 240 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: to back up are because it's not the same where 241 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: I came from anymore than it was several years ago. 242 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: So it's kind of I think that feeling that a 243 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 2: lot of people have when you lose somebody and you know, 244 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: things are just kind of forever changed. Grief has just 245 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 2: had so many stages to it, and you know, you 246 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: just you're just changed. It different and uh, you know 247 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 2: that where something of my mom's with me all the time, 248 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 2: like at all times, whether it's in my car or 249 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 2: my dashboard, in a necklace or something like that always, 250 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: And I think it's just a matter of I was home. 251 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 2: I think the message in it is really that it 252 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 2: may not necessarily be a place. It may be home 253 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: for you is the memories that you have, or the 254 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: connection that you know you still have with someone that's 255 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 2: not here, or you know, everything that's unique to you. 256 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: And I'd love to see how people connect with that song. 257 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 3: You know, well, I didn't know Mary and you collaborated 258 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 3: on it. We have this other podcast that we produce 259 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 3: which is called Music Save Me, and Mary was a 260 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: guest on that podcast, and she's a tremendous force of nature. 261 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 3: I get chills just talking about her. So now that 262 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 3: I know she was a collaborator with you on that song, 263 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 3: it even makes sense even more. Sam. 264 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I kind of had to encourage it. I 265 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: remember the day we wrote it. She had lost someone 266 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: really close to her and just found out I think 267 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: the day before possibly, I don't know, and we had 268 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 2: talked about it while we were talking a lot to 269 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: tell you know, it's not a great Monday morning writing that, 270 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: but you know, we were both very much in that. 271 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: And uh, yeah, I love getting to work with Mary. 272 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: She's at Hoot and she's crazy and I'm poot. I'm 273 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 2: crazy too, so we just kind of bounce off just 274 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: like that. 275 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 3: And she's a genuine, you know, great soul. Yeah, you 276 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 3: could instantly feel that from from Mary. 277 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: I think when you're a genuine good soul, you got 278 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: to have like a little bit of kookyance to you. 279 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 2: I feel like it's almost like required. 280 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 3: Yes, agreed, said the kooky host of the podcast. 281 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm in the circus. I can't say anything anymore. 282 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about that and we'll come back to 283 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 3: some songs. 284 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a 285 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk podcast. 286 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: This circus a lay thing is It's unbelievable and is 287 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 3: blowing up. Talk about how you got involved in it 288 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: and what it is and how people can see it 289 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 3: and where they can see it well. 290 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: Circus Silas Songblazers is circu the Silla's newest circuits that 291 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 2: just launched here in Nashville. It's about country music, celebration 292 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 2: of country music history, and comedy and entertainment and just 293 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: the talent performers. It's amazing. I first started working a 294 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: little bit with them the end of the last year 295 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: about the Circus being written and you know, music for it, 296 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: and I ended up writing Carnival Horror as Circus is 297 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: being finished, and it kind of is a lot of 298 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: the story. The Circus is based around these songwriters trying 299 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: to find themselves their story, learning how to write, and 300 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: they find that eventually write Carnival Heart. The song shows 301 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 2: kind of themed around and it's a really beautiful thing. 302 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: It's such an awesome opportunity for me. And one of 303 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: the coolest things about it is just that it's not 304 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 2: a typical type of partnership. You know, it's kind of 305 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 2: out there, which is very you know me and I 306 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 2: love it. It kind of allowed me to be creative 307 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: in a different arena than what one would expect kind 308 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: of looking at me from the outside. And I enjoy 309 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 2: so many different types of you know, music and interest. 310 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: So to get to do something with like a live 311 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 2: entertainment juggernaut like Circa is crazy. And the show's incredible. 312 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 2: The show's emotional, it's funny, it's great for silly people, kid, 313 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: old people, country music people that want to hear the 314 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: you know, catalog of music that's featured throughout the production. 315 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: You get everything from Toby Keith to Hake Williams to 316 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: Tonight Twaine to just everything. 317 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 3: I think he even got Steve Earld in there. 318 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: Right, thanks, so yeah, yeah, yeah, I think. 319 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 3: Copperhead I believe is in there. Yeah. 320 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: And then you know gets to Carnival art Simwill. I mean, 321 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: it's kind of and it's awesome because, you know, it 322 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: seems like a lot of the story of the main 323 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 2: character of the show who ends up writing the song. 324 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 2: He's very paralleled to me and my story. I mean, 325 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: I wrote the song and kind of watching it myself 326 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: on the stage and performing in the circus. It's just 327 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 2: it's emotional, it's very bittersweet kind of crazy. So yeah, 328 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 2: they're about to wrap up in Nashville and then go 329 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 2: to Sugar Lane and Texas for a few weeks and 330 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: around the rest of the US six or seven more 331 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 2: cities the rest of this year. So you should go 332 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 2: check out Songblades by Surfacila. You guys, you've never been 333 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: to the Shirks yet. 334 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 3: Sounds awesome. Congrats on it, thank you. So let's go 335 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: back to the new music. The duet with Carter Faith. 336 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 3: I can make it on my own. Tell me about 337 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 3: that one, how that one came together, and how much 338 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 3: fun that one was putting it together? 339 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 2: Oh man, Me and Carter Faith are good friends, and 340 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 2: I've always been a big fan of Heards. From before 341 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: we'd ever become friends. I'd heard a song of hers 342 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 2: and I just thought, oh my gosh, and she's singing 343 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 2: like she sings saying wow. And we became good friends 344 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: and always wanted to do something together, but never had 345 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: really found the right thing to do, and never had 346 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 2: written together, but really definitely just hang out. And it 347 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 2: was somebody's idea. And Carter's a humorious Tammy fan, So 348 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 2: I was nervous about it, and I knew the subject 349 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 2: matter of the song. I'm such a what's the word, 350 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 2: I guess, a emo. I don't know, But some sad 351 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: songs I really don't mess with like that, and thus 352 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 2: I can take you in a lighthearted, not serious way. 353 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 2: Then if it's sad and I relate to it, I 354 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 2: just don't want to listen to it. I was like, 355 00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to put out this 356 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 2: whole sad all right now. So he's a little real 357 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 2: for me. I don't know. And me and Carter talked 358 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 2: about it and kind of getting to the coolest part 359 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: of it was us being friends here in real life 360 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 2: and we have an obvious chemistry on you know, wax 361 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 2: on camera and getting to nod to country music history 362 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 2: being Tammy's you know a song that she wrote that 363 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 2: was one of our biggest that people love doing it 364 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 2: in a new way and new you know, arrangement of 365 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: it and bringing our like newer style to it in 366 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: the modern times and also a classic nostalgia to that song. 367 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: I think is one of the salient points of me 368 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 2: and Carter's careers. It's kind of, you know, having the 369 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: root of country music history and also, you know, not 370 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 2: the ceiling of it and doing something different than it's 371 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 2: being done in Nashville for quite a while. So that 372 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 2: was really special. And I think Act one has a 373 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 2: really romantic and sensual, mysterious vibe to it sonically and 374 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 2: lyrically than the rest of the project. And it happened 375 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 2: to just fit so well there. So maybe me and 376 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: Carter will make a lot more music together. We hope 377 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 2: we is. She just signed to my label about a 378 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 2: month ago, so we are we on the same family now. 379 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 3: I love that. That's UMG right too. Yeah, tremendous people. 380 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 3: I love them. 381 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: Yes, I love everybody at UMG Nashville. It's been great there. 382 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 3: When they're behind you, look out, look out. 383 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 384 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 3: I want to talk about one more song with more 385 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 3: tell me about Siren Song. 386 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 2: Siren Siren Song. I wanted to have some interludes on 387 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: the album that kind of, you know, just transition between songs. 388 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: I love to kind of experiment sonically like that and 389 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 2: listen to something in front of that at least off 390 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: some still likes it that way, and I like to 391 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: sometimes to go front to back on the record. I 392 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: never wanted to complete it as a full song. I 393 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: kind of wrote it just spur the moment. Actually, I 394 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 2: think the first half of it kind of finished out 395 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: the chorus, and I wanted to remain having the guitar 396 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 2: instrumental throughout it. If you notice the guitar riffs and 397 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: Siren Song is actually the same risk that is in 398 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 2: the outro of a few other songs throughout the project, 399 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 2: and it having, you know, such a cool acoustic energy 400 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 2: to it. It sounds very romantic sensual in the music. 401 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,239 Speaker 2: I wanted it to be that way to set up 402 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 2: American Actress until I can make it on my own 403 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 2: the back half of act one. And because I think, 404 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 2: you know, sequt singing in the mind movie of it, 405 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 2: that's what I say. I guess I'm from the country 406 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 2: to my movie. The imagery of you know, the song 407 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 2: and how they fall in order is important to me. 408 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 2: So Soren Soul is just kind of showcases a little 409 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 2: bit of different stuff that I can do musically. And yeah, 410 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: it's just me writing the sad, sexy love song like usual. 411 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 3: How long do you obsess about the order of things 412 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 3: you made reference to that? Does this go on for days, weeks, months, years? 413 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 2: Actually? Honestly, it's one of the things that comes the 414 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: most natural to me. So if I have a few, 415 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: I know how to put them an order. I'm having 416 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: a little bit of trouble with act too, though, I'm 417 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 2: not gonna lie. It's not as theatrical and as act on. 418 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: It's not as theatrical and not as like darker I 419 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 2: was saying. So I'm having a little bit more trouble 420 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 2: with what is what. I think that some people don't 421 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 2: make any sense and they just kind of they just well, 422 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: put them one through thirteenth, throw it into a hat. Yeah, 423 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 2: And I don't like that. 424 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got to fit. It's it's you know, the 425 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 3: art has to fit. 426 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I see it that way. I think 427 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: that that's kind of getting lost in the music industry nowadays. 428 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: But I don't know, I think it's important. 429 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 3: Well, when albums were you know, the transaction if you will. 430 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have loved to have seen, you know, 431 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 2: I think that people don't always realize, Like my grandfather 432 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 2: passed away when he was twenty nine, what would his 433 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: albums have looked like, you know, in the later fifties 434 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 2: and the sixties, and the era of the album is 435 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: really you know taking over from then on his era 436 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 2: wasn't really designed around albums. It was designed around records, 437 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 2: and it was designed about you know, getting on the 438 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 2: Grandel Operation records and you know what that really yet 439 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: and God Leek, can you imagine what his music would 440 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 2: have looked like and sounded like once it kind of 441 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: became the album era of creating a project, you know, 442 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 2: because he was so down that alley with doing Luke 443 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 2: the Drifter stuff, and a lot of Luke the Drifter 444 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 2: stuff had a very cohesive it's almost like a narration 445 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 2: almost to all of it, and I would have loved 446 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: to see what that looks like. So I think that's 447 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 2: probably where I get a lot of that from. And 448 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: also just growing up on you know, pop music and 449 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: having like the icons that i'd you know, like to 450 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 2: look up to. 451 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 3: Who were some of those people that really shaped you, 452 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 3: you know, musically from no matter what the genre. 453 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 2: Musically, I would definitely say there's some obvious in my 454 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 2: generation just from the radio and everything. Justin Bieber is huge. 455 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 2: When I was growing up, it was Justin Bieber and 456 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: Katy Perry and everything like that. I loved Drake when 457 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 2: Drake came out and then kind of his melodic rapping 458 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 2: in the in the conversation of rapping and singing. There 459 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 2: you can make so many different sound that loved it. 460 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 2: I love Nicki Minaj, still loved Nicki Minaj, and I 461 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: got a lot of I guess, visual inspiration from a 462 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: lot of artists that you know, I love to see 463 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 2: the whole setup of what they were doing, what I 464 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 2: came into later on getting older. Musically, I loved Tyler 465 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 2: Schilders early and taller Childers. I was huge on him. 466 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 2: I liked Sturgel Simpson, Miranda Lambert a lot in country 467 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 2: and I got familiar with you know, it was a 468 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 2: very crazy looking setup of me getting into my grandfather's catalogue. 469 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 2: Some of my dad's knew our music after you know, 470 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: the later seventies, Dolly Parton, while also I listened to Rihanna, 471 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 2: J Cole, Little Wayne and Beyonce. You know, I listened 472 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: to kind of everything. So it's a you know, I 473 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: think that's kind of what music is. You can take 474 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 2: inspiration from anything, even if you take the music out 475 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 2: of the equation, and take kind of inspiration from anything. 476 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 2: So that's just kind of how I am as a guy. 477 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: I just take my you know, inspiration from different places. 478 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: And make something you know that ends up being more 479 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 2: me Well. 480 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,719 Speaker 3: In closing Sam, when you know and you could see 481 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 3: how your music has connected with a fan. You know, 482 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 3: certainly the most tangible force of that is in a 483 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: concert setting. How does that connection with a fan base 484 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 3: make you feel? What is? Tell me describe that for me? 485 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,239 Speaker 3: How amazing that is? 486 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's so important nowadays that everything 487 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 2: is digital and it's transactional over social media and self 488 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 2: promotion in a constant way, and a constant way. That 489 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 2: just comes down to you know, this to typing. And 490 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 2: when you're in real life and you see somebody that 491 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: really connects with your music, you can tell they're excited 492 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 2: to be there to hear you. They feel, you know, 493 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 2: blucky too, and it's it's awesome and I love to 494 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: you know, even people have never heard my music before 495 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 2: when they when they see me somewhere and fall in 496 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 2: love with it, you know, it's it's inspiring to me 497 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 2: and it kind of takes you out of all the 498 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 2: bss of anything that has to do with being an 499 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 2: artist nowadays and reconnects you to the words and the 500 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 2: music are taking their place in somebody else's memories in 501 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 2: life right now, which is which is awesome. I had 502 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,479 Speaker 2: a show in Atlanta last week and there was a funny, 503 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 2: younger guy that came up to me and he was 504 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: like so excited and like bought some stuff and he 505 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 2: was like, I love Blastyle's children, Like it's just a debut, 506 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: that's how you do a debut album. And I was like, yeah, exactly, 507 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 2: it is very much a debut out when he was like, yeah, 508 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 2: I had to get everybody to listen to Weatherman first 509 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 2: when I introduced your music, and then I have like 510 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: a whole setup of how I introduce your music to 511 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 2: my friends. And I'm like, I love that, you know, 512 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 2: that's so funny. I don't realize those things sometimes, and 513 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 2: especially when I hear a story from somebody about them 514 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 2: seeing my dad when they were so young in high 515 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 2: school or whatever their grandpa played them. I hate Senior 516 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,959 Speaker 2: Record every week or whatever. Those things are cool because 517 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: I'm not always exactly sure why I was born into 518 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 2: the family I was born into, or why it's kind 519 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: of my shoes. But it doesn't make experiencing any less special, 520 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: you know. It's it's crazy sometimes the stories that people have. 521 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: Some people's stories are bys but some stories are really inspiring. 522 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 3: But you do believe the power of music. But going 523 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 3: back to Mary Gauchet and you know, working with her 524 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 3: and you know Mary's vision of music and belief in music, 525 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 3: I would think you share that same belief that you 526 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 3: know music heals you agree, Yeah. 527 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 2: I mean I very much subscribe to the the worldview 528 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 2: that art is important. Art's important, and music is one 529 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 2: of the most beautiful ways to to to express, to connect. 530 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 2: And I think that you know, it embraces connection and 531 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 2: colonality between different people's and uh times and memories. I 532 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 2: think that's you know, it's so connected to memories and 533 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 2: how you end up viewing your life. That's uh, it's 534 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: awesome and it's very healing. So absolutely, sometimes I get 535 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: worried about my musical taste and my son's musical taste 536 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 2: where they go. Sometimes that's when it gets a little worried. 537 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: So no, but I think as a whole music is 538 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: very healing. 539 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 3: Yes, Sam Williams, congratulations on everything, good luck on everything, 540 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 3: continued success and it's an honor to have you on 541 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 3: taking a walk. 542 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 2: Thank you, Buzz, thank you, thank you taking them walk 543 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 2: with Buzz night. 544 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. To this episode of the Taking a 545 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 546 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: and follow us so you never miss an episode. 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