1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: I never told your protection of I heart ideas how 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: stuff works. Today we bring you Are Part two, Are Unexpected, 4 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: Part two, Part two of our female serial Killer episode. Um. 5 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: I think this is the most research I have done 6 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: on an episode in a very long time, because, as 7 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: I've said in our part one, which you should check 8 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: out if you haven't heard it yet before you listen 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: to this one. UM, I knew like people were fascinated 10 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: with serial killers. I had no idea I was going 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: to have to sort through so much information. There's so 12 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: much legend when it comes to something this big and 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: this awful. Yeah, Like there's this whole overall tone of 14 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, how did we not know type of thing? 15 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: And could they be right there? And also there's kind 16 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: of that whole bit of like, so this is what 17 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: happens when things go wrong? Yeah, And I'm curious about 18 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: um why I would love to come back and and 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: see if there's any research on is it like morbid 20 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: curiosity doesn't go back to that thing we talked about 21 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: when you're watching a slasher movie or something where there's 22 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: a part of you that thinks I can learn from 23 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: this and not that won't happen to me? Or is 24 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: it some kind of fascination with death because we're all 25 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: afraid of death? Ultimately, I guess, of course, or is 26 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: it is probably a combination of a bunch of things. Um. 27 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: But we're literally researching, like up to recording. So that's 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: how it became a part too. And our our first 29 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: part was about kind of older sail killers historical ladies, yes, um, 30 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: and this one is more recent stuff and um the 31 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: trigger warning of course, violent sexual assault, necrophilia, general grizzliness. 32 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: And I would also like to re state what we 33 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: said in the last one. Just remember, um, and we're 34 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: trying to be respectful as well. But like, these are 35 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: real people. Some of them are still alive, especially in 36 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: this one. Um. A lot of these are more recent 37 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: and ongoing in some cases, So just remember these are 38 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: real people. And yeah, and I you and I had 39 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: also talked about I would love to dig into what 40 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: happens to the families of uh, not only the suspects 41 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: and the actual killers, and what what the aftermath this 42 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: for those families as well as fascination of like what's 43 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: the aftermath? How do you move on? Because it is 44 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: for me, a lot of this Again, as I said 45 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: earlier in the first episode, first part of this, UM, 46 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: I'm really fascinated about how this becomes or how this happens. 47 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: And it's more of that kind of underlying that that 48 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: really fascinates me per se, of like how did we 49 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: get to this point or how did they get to 50 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: this point? And UM, there's a lot of a lot 51 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: of research out there about that, even though sometimes I'm 52 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: kind of shocked at how there's certain things I assume 53 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: we've figured out and we haven't. And I guess I 54 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: shouldn't be surprised that there's a lot of stuff about 55 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: humanity and serial killers being one of them, that we 56 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: haven't necessarily figured out. But UM, there's a lot of 57 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: ongoing researching. And for some of these UM, I understand 58 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: now why there's entire podcasts for every episode is devoted 59 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: to one person, because for some of them, there were 60 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: UM like I know, one example we're gonna talk about, 61 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: she had electroshock therapy, and there was some speculation that 62 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: things like that maybe play a role. UM. So here 63 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: we go, Here we go, UM, and we're going to 64 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: start out with Lavinia Fisher. UM and she often gets 65 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: the dubious title of first female CEO killer in the 66 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: United States. You'd be surprised at how many women get 67 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: that title. Um, and we're gonna actually talk about that 68 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: a little bit more with one of our probably most 69 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: famous examples and a little bit. Um. So, she and 70 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: her husband ran a hotel called the six Mile Wayfarer House. 71 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: Lavinia would ask guests to dinner, where she would then 72 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: question them to ascertain if they were rich. Rumors abound 73 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: about how the couple killed their victims. Again, people really 74 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: like to sensationalize these things, so there's all kinds of 75 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: details you can find. One is, um, maybe she was 76 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: poisoning tea. That seems like maybe that's true. Lavina crushing 77 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: her their heads between her thighs, which I think is 78 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: not true. I'd think that's just a fantastic idea. And 79 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: I thought that I would do that, not that I 80 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: would do that. I'm just saying I got thick thighs, 81 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: so I've always thought, my wonder, could I do that? Well, 82 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: I hope we never have to find out. Um. It 83 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: wasn't until a traveler by the name of John People's 84 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: arrived at the hotel only be told there were no vacancies, 85 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: but Lavinia was like, you're gonna have dinner with me though, 86 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: and he accepted. After the meal was over, she suddenly 87 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: had a room available. Suspicious people's decided against sleeping in 88 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: the bed, instead opting for a chair. Trying to fall 89 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: asleep in the chair, he was awoke in the middle 90 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: of the night when the bed dropped into a pit. 91 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: I know, I mean, you've got to respect the whole trap. 92 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: I know, jeez. Uh. He jumped out of the window 93 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: and immediately alerted the authorities, and this led up to 94 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: the fisher's capture. They were both executed. The story goes 95 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: that Lavinia asked to wear her wedding dress the day 96 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: of the execution and went kicking and screaming. She jumped 97 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: off the scaffold herself, but not before saying, if you 98 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: have a message you want to send a hell, give 99 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: it to me. I'll carry it. Uh. She became somewhat 100 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: of a ghost story in Charleston. For the six earthquake, 101 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: people reported seeing her her ghost wandering around. Of course 102 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: it's Charleston too, so I know people from Charleston. If 103 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: there is any local lore about this, we would love 104 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: to hear it. And that goes for like every ghost 105 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: we're talking of course, ghost serial killer. I'm gonna go 106 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: with ghosts. Is that because I was thinking of like 107 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: the ghost tours? Yeah, ghost tours. And also for me, 108 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: like I said in part one, I'm the ones I'm 109 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: familiar with most of them. It's because they have been 110 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: a ghost in some kind of supernatural X Files thing 111 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: that I've watched. So to me, they are ghosts, right, 112 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: but they're actually real people. There are wilers. It's just 113 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: you wonder if they if you believe in ghosts, are 114 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: they now ghosts? You know? So In one a nurse 115 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: out of Boston named Jane Topen murdered dozens of people 116 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: about manipulating hospital records. She was able to experiment on 117 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: patients with morphine and atropain. As they died, she would 118 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: hold their hands and fondled them. After her capture, she 119 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: admitted killing it aroused her, which is really rare or 120 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: female killer, just to put that out there. Taupin, nicknamed 121 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: Jolly Jane, was found insane and because of that not guilty. 122 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: He reportedly said it was hard desire to have killed 123 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: more people, helpless people's that is than any other man 124 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: or woman who ever lived. Yeah, and there are two 125 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: good examples of the thing we talked about in our 126 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: previous episode when it comes to the differences primary differences 127 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: between male and female zero killers, one being he has 128 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: female jerior. Killers normally don't have a sexual motivation um, 129 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: but she reportedly did one. And then also the nickname 130 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: that the media gave her, Jolly Jane. That's another example 131 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: of like male sero killers generally get a nickname that 132 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: is indicative of how violent are brutal they are, whereas 133 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: female zero killers get these nicknames that are still gendered right. 134 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: Um Okay. In the first half of the twentieth century, 135 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: in Oklahoma, a black woman named Nanny Doss married and 136 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: killed four men, along with her mother in law, her sisters, 137 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: two of her sister's children, her grandson, and her own mother. 138 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: She was only called after her fifth husband's autopsy revealed 139 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: arsenic as the likely cause of death. She died in 140 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: prison in nine and history knows her by many names, 141 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: the Giggling Granny, black Widow, Lady blue Beard, and the 142 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: Lonely Hearts Killer. She grew up reading lonely Hearts columns 143 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: and that's how she found a majority of her husband's 144 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: or you know would be victims is by posting in 145 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: the Lonely Hearts are perusing the Lonely Hearts column, it's 146 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: interesting to see how many of the of the female 147 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: seal killers are called black widows. Yeah, and that's something 148 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: we're planning on digging into more in a future episode. 149 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: Italian soapmaker Leonardo Chinchuli, who was also known as the 150 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: soap Maker of Careggio, killed three women um, serving them 151 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: at drugged wine and then killing them with an axe. Uh. 152 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: And then she used her flesh to make teacakes, which 153 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: she then fed to her family and friends and some 154 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: other people as well. Um. And this was tre she 155 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: had boiled them and caustic soda. She was fascinated by 156 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: things like palm reading, tarot cards, and fortune telling, and 157 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: a fortune teller had informed her the only way she 158 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: could save her children from dying from an untimely death 159 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: was through human sacrifice, and so her this. These murders 160 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: are placed between forty one. After her son Giuseppe was 161 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: drafted into the Italian Army, she believed that human sacrifice 162 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: would protect him in battle. An entry from her diary 163 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: reads she ended up in the pot. Like the other two, 164 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: her flesh was fat and white when it had melted. 165 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: I added a bottle of cologne, and after a long 166 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: time on the boil, I was able to make some 167 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: most acceptable creamy soap. I gave the bars to neighbors 168 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: and acquaintances. The cakes, too, were better. That woman was 169 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: really sweet. In nineteen forties Japan, Miyuki Ishikawa helped killed 170 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: and estimated one hundred and three infants a midwife. She 171 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: believed that the children of the poor people didn't have 172 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: a chance and she was sparing them a lifetime of jane. 173 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: So just remember um abortion wasn't legal during this time 174 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: in Japan. So she actually blamed the parents for deserting 175 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: their children and ended up only getting a four year sentence. Yeah, 176 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: she She's one of the cases where I think she 177 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: truly believed that she was helping, that she was helping 178 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: and the parents, Like, I don't think that was her 179 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: trying to turn to blame around in any way. She 180 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: truly did blame them for deserting the children. Then we 181 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: have Meira Henley, who along with her lover, raped and 182 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: murdered five young children in the UK from nineteen to 183 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five and what are called the Moore's murders. 184 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: One of these murders they recorded. Um Mara put forth 185 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: a lot of testimony that she was coerced and threatened 186 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: into these acts. Um When her brother in law witnessed 187 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: the couple murdering a young child, he turned them in 188 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: and they were captured. She died in jail in two 189 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: thousand two and was sometimes known as the most evil 190 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: woman in Britain. And then there's another angel of death 191 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: during the night teen seventies and eighties named Janine Jones. 192 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: She was a nurse in Texas. They believed to have 193 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: poisoned upwards of sixty infants during her stint working at 194 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: the hospital. Her shift was called the death shift. Children 195 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: were more than ten times likelier to die during her 196 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: shift than any other time in the i c where 197 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: she worked. During her confessions, she reportedly said, I really 198 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: did kill those babies. Despite receiving a very long sentence, 199 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: she was set to be released in two thousand eight 200 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: due to the mandatory release law in Texas, which has 201 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: now been repelled, but prosecutors brought further charges against her. 202 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: In two thousand seventeen. The serial killer actually inspired the 203 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: character of any Walks from this Stephen King misery. Yeah, 204 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: I wish I have not seen are Red. I know 205 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: there were one thing that everyone probably right, which has 206 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: been parodied and so many things, but yeah, I actually saw. 207 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: It's been a while since I've seen it. But it's 208 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: a slow burn, as you would say. Yeah, it's Cathy Baite, right, 209 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: wonderful Cathy Baits serial killer ever so because she played 210 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: Madame Lalaurian American horror story. Um, we do have some 211 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: more on our list for you listeners, but first we 212 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: have a quick break for word from our sponsor and 213 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: we're back. Thank you sponsor. And um, I was just 214 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: about to tell Samantha. As we go through this list, 215 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: at least one book has been written about every person 216 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: on this list, um, and several have been written about 217 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: this next entry, um the Sunset Strip Killers. So um yeah, 218 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: I don't know that we had too many that were 219 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: like partners in our part one, like male female partners. 220 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: So we got a few more of those on here, 221 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: which are also pretty rare. Um So after an abusive 222 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: childhood and several abusive relationships. Carol Bundy no relation to 223 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: Ted Bundy, who I think did marry a woman named 224 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: Carol who survived, And I got very confused researching this. Right, 225 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: that's a lot of information for sure, oh my gosh, 226 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: and a lot of coincidences, a lot of confusing coincidences 227 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: for research purposes anyway, Um, Carol Bundy met and began 228 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: our relationship with Doug Clark. Clark soon shared his sexual 229 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: fantasies with Bundy permitted him to bring prostitutes into their 230 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: apartment for threesomes, but then Clark admitted he had a 231 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: disturbing attraction to an eleven year old neighbor. Bundy was 232 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: able to coerce the girl into coming to the apartment 233 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: for pornographic photo shoot, and this horrifying situation escalated when 234 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: Clark confided in Bundy that he wanted to kill a 235 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: woman during sex. After buying two pistols, the pair committed 236 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: their first murder in nineteen eighty in Los Angeles. Um 237 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: They're victims were usually young sex workers, are runaways, and 238 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: Clark raped their dead bodies before they got rid of them. 239 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: In one instance, Clark decapitated one of their victims, Bundy 240 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: put makeup on the severed head and Clark used it 241 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: for oral sex. And kept it in their freezer for 242 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: a few days before they disposed of it. And we 243 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: were just talking about the scene from High Tension, right 244 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: I was, and I couldn't I couldn't get past that 245 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: scene almost something that was like ten MOMENTUSM like, I 246 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: just know everything about this is so disturbing. I didn't 247 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: know because I have seen High Tension, but I didn't 248 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: know about this. So I was wondering if it was 249 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: kind of like you start seeing a lot of influences 250 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: from real life situations for sure, in the whole genre 251 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: of TV and entertainment, which is really disturbing. I guess 252 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: it really is disturbing. Yeah, yeah, this is disturbing. Um okay, 253 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: And then Bundy confessed what was going on to an 254 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: ex lover of hers before she panicked after he rightfully said, 255 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: you've got to go to the police. Um, and she 256 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: persuaded him to accompany her to her van so that 257 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: they could have sex, but she instead shot and capt 258 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: aided him. But she was kind of sloppy leaf for 259 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: a lot of clues around and eventually she confessed to 260 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: her coworkers and then to the police. She said, quote 261 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: a situation that started out as a fantasy just got 262 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: badly out of control. The two were caught and imprisoned. 263 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: Clark was sentenced to death. Bundy died in prison in 264 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: two thousand and three. Judy boyo Ano was executed in 265 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: nine for the murder of her first husband, her past partner, 266 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: and her son after a car explosion it seriously injured 267 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: her soon to be second husband. Judy had been spreading 268 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: lies that her fiance was terminally ill, even though he's 269 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: totally healthy. Health officials confiscated the pills Judy had been 270 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: giving him and discovered there full of arsenic and from 271 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: malde hyde. When the bodies of our previous husband and 272 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: lover were exhumed, arsenic poison was found to be the 273 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: cause of death. As for her son, in the events 274 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: leading up to his death, he had mysteriously become a 275 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: paraplegic and displayed other signs of arsenic poisoning. On the 276 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: day of his death, Judy actually took him out on 277 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: a canoe, which capsized and his brace dragged him down 278 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: and he drowned at the age of night teen. Before 279 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: she was caught, she racked it and estimated two d 280 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: dollars on life insurance policies. The media dubbed her again 281 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: the black Widow. She was the first woman to be 282 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: executed in Florida in over one fifty years. Again, there's 283 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: a black widow. In England, Rosemary West and her husband 284 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: Fred were arrested for sexually torturing, murdering and dismembering at 285 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: least twelve teenage girls, including their own daughter who was 286 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: Rosemary's stepdaughter and um stepdaughter's mother, and one of Rosemary's 287 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: biological daughters named Heather. When Heather went missing, Fred would 288 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: joke with his children that if they didn't behave they 289 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: would end up under the patio like Heather. Um, and 290 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: that's actually how they got caught. Um. Emery west On, 291 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: the surviving stepdaughter of Rosemary, Um, has said, people say 292 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm lucky to have survived, but I wish I had died. 293 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: I can still taste the fear, still feel the pain. 294 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: It's like going back to being a child again. Um. 295 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: The media dubbed Rosemary as the Monster of Cromwell and 296 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: the West Home as the House of Horrors. The Seller 297 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: was where they tortured, killed, and buried their victims. Once 298 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: the seller became too crowded, bodies were buried under the 299 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: back patio. One of the bodies was found wrapped in 300 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: duct tape with a straw poking out from the nostril. 301 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: Many had been decapitated or dismembered. One had been scalped. 302 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: An inquiry revealed thirty one occasions that the West children 303 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: had been hospitalized for injuries our illnesses, including an STD. 304 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 1: This is one of the ones where I read it 305 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: and I was so surprised that they did not get 306 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: caught earlier. They were clearly abusing their children. Um Child 307 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: Services was called on them several times. Um Fred killed 308 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: himself in prison, writing on the wall Freddie, the mass 309 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: murderer from Gloucester. Rosemary is serving a life sentence where 310 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: she apparently gets fan mail and marriage proposals. That is 311 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: something I want to come back to you because that 312 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: is hugely disturbing to me. I didn't nicely that happened 313 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: to female serial killers. I knew that happened a lot 314 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: with male serial killers and their whole fan base, but 315 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: I didn't realize it's actually happened with a female. That's 316 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: an interesting flip, an interesting and disturbing one. Yes, one 317 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: of her daughters claimed that there may be up to 318 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: thirty more victims that authorities don't know about. Wow So, 319 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: And there's also a Canadian woman, Carla Humulka, who started 320 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: her killing career with an attempt to impress her boyfriend 321 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: by allowing him to rape her fifteen year old sister, 322 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: who died after choking on her own vomit that they 323 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: had actually drugged her. Apparently. Paul, her husband, was annoyed 324 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: Carla wasn't a virgin when they met, and demanded she 325 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: bring him a virgin. Carla offered up her own sister. 326 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 1: They videotaped themselves torturing and raping their victims before they 327 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: killed them. The video was too disturbing to play in 328 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: the court, but the audio was allowed. They were known 329 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: as the Kin and Barbie Killers. When Carla realized that 330 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: their rain of terror was coming to an end, she 331 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: was able to fairly successfully paint herself as a victim 332 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: and this whole thing to officials. She turned on Paul, 333 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: who physically abused her and who was also known as 334 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: the Scarborough Rapists and had read or attempted to rape 335 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: at least nineteen women. She got a pleadail from the prosecutors, 336 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: which was twelve years for cooperation, which later became known 337 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: as the Dill with the Devil and when the tapes 338 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,239 Speaker 1: clearly indicated call, it was a willing accomplish when they 339 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: played the tape in court and from a letter she 340 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: wrote to herself, be a perfect girlfriend for Paul. Remember 341 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: you're stupid, Remember you're ugly, Remember you're fat. Save yourself 342 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: killed them all. She was released in two thousand five 343 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: after only twelve years in prison, and recently cost a 344 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: huge commotion when she volunteered with the elementary school. Yeah yeah, yep, um. 345 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: Then we have what I would argue is probably the 346 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: one of the biggest ones on this list, are the 347 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: most well known, and I think a lot of these 348 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: just the precursor. There's a lot of either movies or 349 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: TV series or something that has been based on all 350 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: of these things. And this is of course the Oscar 351 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: winner of them all. And also merchandise, yes, series merchandise. 352 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: So yes, we were talking about Eileen ware Nose from 353 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: across Duke, by the name Violin Wareens, also known that 354 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: as a damsel of Death, killed seven male clients along 355 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: highways in north and central Florida. Police were able to 356 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: trace items belonging to of the victims to a pawn 357 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: shop near Daytona Beach. That's a very big nutshell of 358 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: what happened, but essentially um and connected the aliases used 359 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: upon the items to wear nose. According to Wareness, she 360 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: killed and self defense acclaimed that she later recanted UM 361 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: and her first victim was jailed for ten years for 362 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: sexual assault. She made a lot of headlines because she 363 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: broke the mold of most female serial killers, using a 364 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: gun instead of something like poison, killing outside her home 365 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: killing strangers UM. Some stories reported that she killed like 366 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: a man, UM, and there was even an opera about 367 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: America's first female serial killer UM, as she sometimes was 368 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: mistakenly called Um. She was perhaps the first to fit 369 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: the FBI's profile of a male I mean a serial killer, 370 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: which was almost always you know, males killer, but she 371 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: was certainly not America's first female serial killer. Awareness told 372 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: Florida's Supreme Court, I'm one who seriously hates human life 373 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: and would kill again. She was adopted by a born 374 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: again Christian after her arrest. UM and she was executed 375 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: in two thousand two. The award winning movie Monster with 376 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: Charlie's Theiron was about her, right and then there's actually 377 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: a documentary for her on Netflix, and it's it's fascinating 378 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: to me, not necessarily because you know, we want to 379 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: watch murderers essentially, our serial killers, but just her behavior alone, 380 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: it was just very indicative of her mindset and it 381 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: was kind of like, wow, yeah, when I was reading um, 382 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: you know, dry court documents, just what happened today in 383 00:21:53,960 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: court and the things she said very very shocking and 384 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: embrace it and um crass. I have not seen the movie. Um, 385 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: I remember all of the talk about how Charlie's They're 386 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: on like totally changed her. Look. Um, we do have 387 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: some more even more females serroo killers for you, but 388 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: first we have one more quick break for words for 389 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsor. All right, 390 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: So we're gonna come back with Dorothea Puinte or Death 391 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: House Landlady, which in the eighties she killed elderly and 392 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: mentally disabled tenants at her California boarding house in order 393 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: to cash in on their social Security checks. This was 394 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: after being arrested for drug and an elderly man and 395 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: stealing his pension. She read the male of her tenants 396 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: and kept most of the money for out unquote rent 397 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: and doling out the rest of the sort of a stipend. 398 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 1: Anyone who complained was killed and buried in her backyard. 399 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until it developmentally disabled and mentally ill 400 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: man was reported missing from his caseworker that police searched 401 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: the building and found the bodies in the backyard. The 402 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: house was called, among other things, the graveyard on f Street. 403 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: Georthia managed to escape to l A before someone recognized 404 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: her and turned her in four days later. At the time, 405 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: the authorities didn't label her a serial killer, because in 406 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: their minds that wasn't a thing women did. But for 407 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: her capture. She was highly regarded for her charity work 408 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: and her willingness to take in the homeless and substance abusers. 409 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 1: She even had a picture of her dancing with one 410 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: of the governors of California, which I'm sure he adored. 411 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: She died in prison in two thousand eleven, and then 412 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: prosecutors called her one of the most cold and calculating 413 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: female killers in the country they had ever seen. Yeah, 414 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: and we were talking about this before we started, because 415 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: I was surprised at how much there was about her. 416 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: But it must be so they found the one body 417 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: in her backyard, and she was kind of like, I 418 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe because it used to be kind of 419 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: common practice to bury people in your backyard. Um. And 420 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: she asked if she could go get coffee or something, 421 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: and they're like, and then they found like so many 422 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: more bodies and they had just let her go, which 423 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: is fascinating again and also very very telling about how 424 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: they didn't a woman wouldn't do this. They said, like 425 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: the little lady, we didn't. We didn't think about it. 426 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: And she I think because she got away and there 427 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,479 Speaker 1: was like four or five days of just panic. Right. Um. 428 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: I think that's why one of the reasons why there's 429 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: so much written about her, because there is and there's 430 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: a lot of conspiracy theories. I don't know if their 431 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, but people think that she has she had 432 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: to have had an accomplice because she was a little 433 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: old lady. So how is she dragging these bodies and 434 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: then baring them? Um? And there's even uh somebody that 435 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people think that it is who used 436 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: to work around there and then disappear. Um. She also 437 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: asked her handyman for a box that was like a 438 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: coffin she gave and she was like, it's for books 439 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: and things, you know, I want to put all my 440 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: cookbooks in this very long, weird little cass had him 441 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: drive it to like down the highway and she was like, 442 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: let's just throw it in the ocean, you know whatever, 443 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: And he never did a thing. Yeah, well I don't. 444 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: I just found that that was so that there's a 445 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: lot because of the assumption, yeah, of women in general 446 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: or perceived, there's no way of blah blah blah. Right. 447 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: I also wanted to add in here um. She never 448 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: admitted to guilt. Um. And she also released a cookbook 449 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: in two thousand five called Cooking with a Serial Killer. 450 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: I've read some of the reviews on Amazon. They said 451 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: things like simple but pretty good. She goes well known 452 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: for tamales um. And there's a documentary about the house 453 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: and its new owners called The House Is Innocent, and 454 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: it focuses on how the new owners have tried to 455 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: turn something so maccabre into a positive thing. So they 456 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: donate like I think you can do tours there, and 457 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: they donate two funds for the homeless. Again another place 458 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: for our list. Yeah, oh gosh, I keep agreeing and 459 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: then realizing I need to pause and think. In Britain's 460 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: Angel of Death, Beverly Allett was charged of using high 461 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: doses of insulin or potassium, or even just an air 462 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: bubble into the bloodstream to kill four children and attempted 463 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: to kill eleven more in the span of two months. 464 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: One of her victims had an entire adult dosage of 465 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: insulin in his system, resulting in one of the highest 466 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: levels ever found in a human. She was diagnosed with 467 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: Munchausen syndrome but ruled mentally fit enough to stand trial. 468 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: She is serving thirteen sentences with a minimum of thirty 469 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: years at a security like a secure hospital that it 470 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: is a source of ale out of controversy controversy UM. 471 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: The maternity wards she worked in shut down because nobody 472 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: wanted to take their children there. Um. Last year, a 473 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: go fund Me page just set up for her while 474 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: she was battling sepsis, and it also caused quite a 475 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: big controversy and go fund me removed it. Um. It's 476 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: interesting to see what happens in this thing and age 477 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: when someone like that is being seen as idolized or 478 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: needing help or that or whatever. I guess you would 479 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,959 Speaker 1: say and then doing that. So that's kind of an 480 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: almost a different form of trying to propose to someone like, oh, 481 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: she said it would help her, Nobody's like what, Um. Yeah. 482 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: And I was recently it might be this very week 483 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: that this episode comes out. I was on over on 484 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: Movie Crush with Chuck Um that podcast, and we were 485 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: talking about slashers and I everyone. It was kind of 486 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: there were four of us, and I think I'm a 487 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: bit young or I'm like from a different generation than 488 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: everyone else on the panel, and so they had a 489 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: different experience than I did because I kind of entered 490 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: with Scream and newer ones and so going back and 491 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: watching the older ones are sometimes difficult for me because 492 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: our technology has changed so much. Yeah, and in some 493 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: ways that can be scarier, but sometimes you're like, well, right, 494 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: But I was thinking about Scream too, and how the 495 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: movies made about her life in that movie, which is 496 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: so meta, but she gets like calls on the day 497 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: the movie comes out, where they're pretending to be the 498 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 1: serial killer, like um, And that's just sort of a 499 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: weird aspect to this whole thing of people who it's 500 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: like entertainment for them, and that the whole thing. The 501 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: whole point of screen too is at the end one 502 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: of the spoiler alert one of the killers is like, 503 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: it's all entertainment, Like, right, I'm going to blame the movies. Um. Yeah, 504 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: So it is interesting to you have technology now, I 505 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: mean interesting and more disturbing. Even interesting and disturbing is 506 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: that we've described almost everything how technology is playing serial 507 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: killers now and killer because they have they can meet online. 508 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: Well also because it also changed things. Because of the 509 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: technology there are is harder to get away with it, 510 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: and there's more um evidence to be found that it 511 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been found a long time ago. So it's 512 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: kind of it's not necessarily balancing it out, but it's 513 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: a kind of a whole switch up to what is 514 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: happening in this day and age, which is a good thing. Yeah, 515 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: But also correctly we also have the social media um 516 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: where can be stages and setups much like the one 517 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: who was using her lonely heart stuff, you know, and 518 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: trying to get hurt victims. But this is a lot 519 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: more easy access and a lot more for those who 520 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: may be actually really good with technology ways of stalking 521 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: and causing different types of fear factor level. What's going 522 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: on in the world today, right, you know, well, and 523 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: that's why for a lot of the ones we talked 524 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: about in our part one, the estimates were like they 525 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: might have killed sixty or seven because yeah, it was 526 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: easier to get away with it for longer back then. 527 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: But um, if if you've noticed, a lot of people 528 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: we've talked about have been in fields where they were caregivers. Um, 529 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: and that is one way that women are, even in 530 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: our modern times, able to get away with being with 531 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: killing people for longer because one, you're a woman and 532 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: they don't expect you to do anything horrendous. That that awful, 533 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: and too if you're in a caregiving field, it gives 534 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: you a whole another layer. But this next one is 535 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: a good example of like how people feel like there's 536 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: no way because you're kind of if you're in a 537 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: caregiving field, especially in a hospital. There's people do die 538 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: at hospitals, so you can use that. Some serial killers 539 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: on here reviews that to the advantage, including Kristin Gilbert, 540 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: because she murdered four patients at a Massachusetts veteran affairs 541 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: medical center with epinephrin and attempted homicide on three others. 542 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: She was caught in two thousand one. UM. She had 543 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: been married with kids, but then she had an affair 544 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: with an hospital security guard, and her marriage has solved 545 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: in her husband left with the children, but not before 546 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: she most likely attempted to murder him via injection because 547 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: I can't remember why, but he was at the hospital 548 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: and she was like, I'll just give you this and 549 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: you'll feel better, and he said it like pain and tingling, 550 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: and he immediately felt a great sense of unease UM 551 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: being around her. UM and she was jokingly called the 552 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: angel of Death even before she was caught because of 553 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: how many people died on her shift right UM once 554 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: it came out that she was murdering people. Experts estimate 555 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: that she was on duty for half at deaths that 556 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: occurred during her tenure at the hospital, so half of 557 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: the time she was there. UM. One war veteran refused 558 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: injection while she worked there because quote, people are dying 559 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: around here for no reason. The patients are talking about it, 560 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: the staff is talking about it. The staff is talking 561 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: to the patients about it. Gilbert confessed to her boyfriend, 562 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: the security guard we mentioned earlier, that she quote did 563 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: it killed all those guys by injection UM, and he 564 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: told the authorities. In a panic, she called in a 565 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: bomb threat at the hospital in response, and the hospital 566 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: was evacuated. The calls were traced to her and she 567 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: was sentenced to fifteen months in prison for faking a 568 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: bomb threat. Meanwhile, Um, everybody the authorities were investigating all 569 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: these deaths. They were getting more and more details about 570 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: the murderers. It became clear that she had committed and 571 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: her the murder trials soon began. Prosecutors argued her motive 572 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: was to try to impress her boyfriend UM, who they 573 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: would call in an emergency situations like a code or something. UM. 574 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: She received four life sentences in the early two thousands, 575 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: professional Mexican wrestler Wanna Barrazza earned the nickname the Little 576 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: Old Lady Killer or Mata Vitas for her murder for 577 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: at least at eleven women and probably more. Originally, the 578 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: investigators had thought the murders were being committed by man 579 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: dressed as a woman, but she was actually caught after 580 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: someone witnessed her leaving a victim's home. Reports indicated that 581 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: Brazza's mother actually sold her to a man around the 582 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: age of twelve UM for a very little amount of 583 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: money and beer, and that her resentment for her mother 584 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: was her actual motive for killing these women. And according 585 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: to the reports, want To admitted to only one of 586 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: the murders and she says she did it because she 587 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: was angry, but in the reports it was later said 588 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: that the victims had been beaten and strangled and robbed. Um. 589 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: She was sentenced to seven fifty nine years in Mexican prison. 590 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: That's I mean, the fact that the police thought that 591 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 1: the murders were being committed by a man dress as 592 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: a well, and it's pretty telling. That's how right they 593 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: never believed it until they had that witness. Wow. Um, 594 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: well that brings us to the end of two part 595 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: look on female zero killers. Yeah. I need to go, 596 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: like have a drink and sit in the sun not 597 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: think about this for a minute. I feel like, I 598 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: just hope we're not missing someone that's really recent. But 599 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 1: I did. Nothing came up. Um. I think there's because 600 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: you know, there's also the variation of the fact that 601 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,439 Speaker 1: women snap are emotional and jealous, and so therefore that's 602 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: a lot of the cause of killing. But they're not 603 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: serial killers necessarily. Um. So it's kind of a little 604 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: different on that level. Also, you know, just looking back, 605 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: especially of the recent histories, you start understanding if they 606 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: just find past histories of these women, it all had 607 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: it seemingly all had something to do with, um, trying 608 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: to save someone or trying to be seen as someone 609 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: that was like slightly and saving people, trying to protect someone, 610 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: try to get someone to like them, or try to 611 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: get money or because of the like horrendous past trauma 612 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: of whatever happened. Um. And it's really fascinating because this 613 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: could all be set for any of the serial killers 614 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: of the past trauma. But again you see some of 615 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: the talking about sexual motives that are pretty much lacking 616 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: in a majority of these women. Is a lot of 617 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: like whether it's perceived protection or perceived of how they 618 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 1: were being seen, which is an interesting tale I think. Yeah, 619 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: And um, we didn't really go into the past of 620 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: these women, right, which was often very traumatic. Um. And 621 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: as we said, I completely understand now as someone who 622 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: does not consume true crime, why like every person on 623 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: this list could be in the whole episode. And if 624 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: there's anyone that you really stood out to you that 625 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: you wanted to know more about, let us know, um, 626 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: because I was reading there's so much out there, and 627 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:08,919 Speaker 1: just the the past that a lot of these women had, 628 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: uh was equally disturbing. UM. And I was thinking, because 629 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: what I have I do know about slashers and yeah, 630 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: I can only think of um off the top of 631 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: my head too. Female serial killers that came to my mind, 632 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: which we mentioned in our Female Monsters episode, right, And 633 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: I was going to say, for a lot you and 634 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: I talked about again about the mothers and like who 635 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: are the ghosts or those who killed UM anyone or 636 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: became a ghost or afterwards had a lot of that 637 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: same kind of idea behind that as well that we 638 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: just talked about with all of the whethers to protect someone, 639 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: whether to show someone something, you know, it's an interesting Yeah. 640 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: And the two fictional female serial killers I am thinking 641 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: of they both we're killing in revenge for their son UM. 642 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: So we hope that that you've learned about history's fascinating 643 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: history of female serial killers. 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