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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Second hour of The Clay Travis and

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show is here. It is upon us. We

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us today. As Holly, we

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Speaker 1: are going to take you deep into the latest of

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Speaker 1: the Canada protests here in just a moment, still watching

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Speaker 1: closely as the prospect of war in Ukraine hangs over

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Speaker 1: certainly the region and a lot of people contensily focused

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Speaker 1: on whether that's going to kids or not. Could be

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Speaker 1: a huge head fake, a massive bluff from Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 1: or so would be the opening of the Agrian war.

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Speaker 1: We they'll see, and continued push back from parents. You

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Speaker 1: love to see it, you know, you really do. And

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Speaker 1: this time in San Francisco, not even a somewhat purple

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Speaker 1: county like Louden, Virginia, where San Francisco parents are saying

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Speaker 1: the school board is run by loons, leftist loons, of course.

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Speaker 1: And we're hoping this continues all across the country. But

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Speaker 1: there was a moment of time when the journals were

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Speaker 1: particularly upset, even for them, against Donald Trump. You'll recall this,

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Speaker 1: and it was when he publicly referred to them as

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Speaker 1: the enemy of the people, and they acted like this

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Speaker 1: was the most terrifying thing that a commander in chief

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Speaker 1: had ever done. And then Trump, in Trumpian fashion and

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Speaker 1: remindered everybody the man himself will be joining us here

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Speaker 1: on this show on Tuesday. We will be in mar Lagos.

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Speaker 1: He's not calling in. We're hanging with the Trumpster on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be hanging out with him, Clay and are

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Speaker 1: going to be spending afternoon with the man, talking to

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Speaker 1: him about all the things, all the things. So that's Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: right at the top of the show, so you definitely

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Speaker 1: want to tune it for that. But Trump said they're

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Speaker 1: the enemy of the people, the corporate Democrat media. And

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Speaker 1: they said, how dare you? And he says, yeah, actually,

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Speaker 1: I'm doubling download. You're the end of the people. And

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Speaker 1: one of the things that folks would point to is

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Speaker 1: not only the propaganda, which I think we all understand

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Speaker 1: that's how the democratic line media does what they do

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Speaker 1: a lot of propaganda, but also their willingness to destroy

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Speaker 1: everyday folks, to shame the name, shame and annihilate small

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Speaker 1: business owners, people that post something on Facebook. I remember

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Speaker 1: Clay do you remember when CNN went after somebody for

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Speaker 1: posting a meme I Kenny, I think it was a

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Speaker 1: meme of drunk Nancy Pelosi and they and it was

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Speaker 1: modified so that she looked a little bit. You know,

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Speaker 1: she was just doing the usually hen that's it, that's it,

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Speaker 1: but they made it seem like she was actually drunk.

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Speaker 1: CNN tracked the meme maker down. Do you remember this, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I remember that. And I also remember when they were

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Speaker 1: allowing people to just go up and knock on the

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Speaker 1: door when you donated to Kyle Rittenhouse. I mean that

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Speaker 1: to me, I'm not sure there's any group. It's a

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Speaker 1: fun question. Does any profession praise itself more than journalists?

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Speaker 1: And without without any actual basically right, I mean in

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Speaker 1: like I'm a lawyer, and by trade, lawyers make fun

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Speaker 1: of the fact that we're lawyers. Right, there's tons of

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Speaker 1: lawyer jokes. What I'm like, what do you have when

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Speaker 1: Not enough cement? Right? I mean, like everybody has heard

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Speaker 1: as many different lawyer jokes as you can imagine Journalists,

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Speaker 1: I mean without without any form of satire or sarcasm,

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Speaker 1: really do consider themselves to be the saviors of the

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Speaker 1: United States. They will refer to themselves un ironically as

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Speaker 1: the firefighters of our democracy, when they are actually the

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Speaker 1: arsonists of our society. That's what we're really dealing with, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And we say there were two guys who work in

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Speaker 1: the media. In part. One of the reasons I got

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Speaker 1: because I got so sick of all the lives stretching

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Speaker 1: back for a long time. And Clay, I know you're

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Speaker 1: a guy who's come to just view the right as

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Speaker 1: really team reality, right, like we're just looking at things

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Speaker 1: the way they saw. I started off just talking about sports,

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Speaker 1: said no, no no, no, they are And you know he's

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Speaker 1: got a point. He's got a point in Canada right now,

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Speaker 1: there's a story that I think really illustrates a lot.

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Speaker 1: You know, there was the give send Go data leak.

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Speaker 1: Now give send Go is where it's the platform for

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Speaker 1: sending money that people went to after go fund Me, which,

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Speaker 1: to Clay's point, also came into controversy because people that

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Speaker 1: I think that got shut down and then they found

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Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse fund? I mean there were media doing And

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Speaker 1: this is also the thuggish left, also known as the

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Speaker 1: authoritarian collectivist Democrat Party. They always want to know who's

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Speaker 1: giving money to whom. They are always in favor of

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Speaker 1: trying to out conservative donors or causes donors to causes

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Speaker 1: isolate the target, destroy the target. Right well, if you

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Speaker 1: are a gelato cafe owner in Ottawa, Canada, right now

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Speaker 1: Stella Luna Gelato Cafe has closed down, Clay because someone

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Speaker 1: hacked into the gifts end Go database. And I think

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Speaker 1: this is very into who. Tucker pointed this out on

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Speaker 1: big deal. You know those companies you think they're doing

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Speaker 1: massive financial transactions. Hacking into it is not a minor thing.

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Speaker 1: So they got hacked into. And the owner of this

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Speaker 1: wonder if any relation, by the way, I have no idea,

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Speaker 1: but ten hundred and fifty dollars, two hundred fifty bucks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: gelato store in Ottawa because the Ottawa Citizen and the

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Speaker 1: the place. And he'd say, oh, buck, well, she's already

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Speaker 1: shut down, guys, because of all the death threats and

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Speaker 1: going out to the people from the gifts and goal

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Speaker 1: lists saying hey, we're calling you because your name was

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Speaker 1: We know exactly what this is. This is the establishment

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis was donating money to what do you have

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Speaker 1: to save yourself? They're like, why don't you go back

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Speaker 1: mean makes me want to donate to the Canadian Trucker's cause.

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Speaker 1: And also it makes me want to go buy gelatto

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Speaker 1: wonder would the owner of the Gelato cafe for this

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Speaker 1: martial law, they could seize her bank accounts, They could

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Speaker 1: domestic terror financing. I mean, you go down the list.

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Speaker 1: Now they haven't done this, but I'm saying the powers

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Speaker 1: supporting domestic terrorists with a fifty dollar donation. That's what

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Speaker 1: the media in Canada's doing right now. Oh would imagine

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Speaker 1: if the same thing had happened to BELM in the

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Speaker 1: Think about the logic here in Canada, they're declaring that

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Speaker 1: someone there, or whatever it may be. BLM burn the

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Speaker 1: that citizens of this country or people in this country

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Speaker 1: They would burn down even more neighborhoods clay Well, and

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Speaker 1: to be fair, the media would say this is wildly

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Speaker 1: inappropriate action for a president to have undertaken. And that's

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Speaker 1: I believe we've been talking a lot about this Canadian

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Speaker 1: First question for you, Yeah, what are these people like?

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Speaker 1: He's already the bad guy here right publicly. I think

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Speaker 1: gonna make Trudeau in the government of Canada look far worse. Look,

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Speaker 1: they're they're gonna have to literally lift those people off

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Speaker 1: the ground and carry them to be arrested. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to grow them away, and then they're going to

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Speaker 1: have to seize their trucks. How will Trudeau explain that

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Speaker 1: to all the families and all of the people there.

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Speaker 1: And remember, let me remind you there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of children there that are going to be dragged their

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Speaker 1: parents are going to be dragged away. And they never

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Speaker 1: even had an opportunity to really voice their concerns to

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Speaker 1: their own government. What they have had is the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to stand up to I believe, tyrannical behavior all over

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Speaker 1: the world and they and they're teaching other people a lesson.

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Speaker 1: And that's why we're seeing up you know, people in

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Speaker 1: Vienna showing up with trucks, and you know the situation

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Speaker 1: Australia right now, and we're seeing things happen all over

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Speaker 1: the world right now, and an actual convoys here in

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Speaker 1: the United States that are planning to start at the

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Speaker 1: first week of March. Is there a sense from the

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Speaker 1: truckers that not only is it their intention to hold

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Speaker 1: out until the tyrannical mandates go away, but are they

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Speaker 1: aware of the fact that there are someone We had

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Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson on the show earlier this week, and you

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Speaker 1: represents and the kind of political mind that he has.

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Speaker 1: He thinks this could bring down the Trudeau government. Are

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Speaker 1: the truckers aware that that could happen? Was there any

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Speaker 1: discussion of that? Yeah, they absolutely, there was a discussion

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Speaker 1: of that. In fact, that came up quite often. And

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Speaker 1: they do believe that this will be the end of

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Speaker 1: the Trudeau government. They will not take this anymore. And

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Speaker 1: I want and I'm putting it this way because it's

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Speaker 1: not just about the mandates. You brought it up yourself.

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Speaker 1: You know this, these accusations that have you know, basically called,

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Speaker 1: you know, calling these truckers racists, misogynists, these lies that

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Speaker 1: have been perpetuated in the media by Trudeau himself, by

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Speaker 1: Trudeau himself and people aren't buy it anymore. And what

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Speaker 1: kind of quality of a leader do you have in

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Speaker 1: a nation when your leader goes against the people that

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Speaker 1: do the toughest job, that have the hard work. Some

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Speaker 1: of these people have been sitting there for weeks now

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Speaker 1: out in farm fields that are filled with mud and

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Speaker 1: had to come up with all kinds of ingenious ways

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Speaker 1: to continue operating their vehicles. And you know, when they

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Speaker 1: tried taking their gas, you know, their gas tanks and

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Speaker 1: all of the gas that was being supplied to keep

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Speaker 1: the trucks running in Ottawa, the people in Ottawa started

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Speaker 1: coming out. I mean, they had so many citizens that

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Speaker 1: weren't truckers, and everyone started carrying gas cans by the

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Speaker 1: police and decorating them like purses and putting water in them,

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Speaker 1: and so that the police didn't know if they were

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Speaker 1: picking up a gas can with water or a gas

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Speaker 1: can that was just decorated like a purse. And they

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Speaker 1: had kind of an underground they built kind of an

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Speaker 1: underground gas can railway, you know, there so that they

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Speaker 1: could keep their trucks running. So the people mean business,

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Speaker 1: I think it's spreading across Canada. I think we're seeing

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Speaker 1: the reflection of like once again, the working class standing

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Speaker 1: up and saying, I need you to listen to me.

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Speaker 1: This is over. We're not going to put up with

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Speaker 1: these mandates anymore. We're not going to allow this to

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Speaker 1: go any further. And I think they're really concerned. You know,

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Speaker 1: Trudeau talks a lot about the economy and stopping the economy,

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Speaker 1: but I can tell you this, it never it was

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Speaker 1: so blatantly obvious that the economy in Ottawa wasn't suffering

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Speaker 1: because of the truckers, The economy in Alberta wasn't suffering

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Speaker 1: because of the truckers. The economy was suffering and is

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Speaker 1: suffering because of these extreme mandates that have harmed people's businesses,

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Speaker 1: that have taken freedom away from individuals, that have taken

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Speaker 1: freedom from families, and that I really pitted the I

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Speaker 1: would call the working class against the elite and government classes.

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Speaker 1: And that's something that we should all be concerned about.

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Speaker 1: And I think we saw what was happening in America.

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Speaker 1: We see now the Democrats, even in democratic states, backing

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Speaker 1: For True, it's going to be the end of his

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Speaker 1: thank you for your work on this one. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: if not, when it stopped again? I know you asked

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Speaker 1: my colleague a few questions about this the other day.

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Speaker 1: But I would point you any questions about this to

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice. And then is what was described

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Speaker 1: in the filing their monitoring internet traffic? Is that generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: would that be considered something on Again, I pointed at

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice. I'll point you to Department of Justice.

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Speaker 1: Snaki Bomb tells everybody about the Durham Report, which not

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Speaker 1: much of an answer. Here is monitoring Internet traffic of

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Speaker 1: a rival political candidate spying? Well, let's ask if this

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Speaker 1: was happening in I don't know if this was happening

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Speaker 1: in Honduras, or in Vietnam or in Ukraine. I think

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Speaker 1: the answer would be yes, it is spying to do that.

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Speaker 1: But we can't get any answers from this White House

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Speaker 1: on anything. Look, Clay and are going to follow the

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Speaker 1: Durham Report situation closely as it continues to unfold. Durham

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Speaker 1: political as much as one can be. Everybody brings their

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Speaker 1: own thoughts this stuff, prosecutor an investigator. But remember and Clay,

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Speaker 1: this is the key point, and we're seeing more and

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Speaker 1: more of this. It doesn't matter what the evidence is

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Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter what the report finds. If the

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Speaker 1: bidendj does not want to bring charges against anybody up

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Speaker 1: to and including Hillary Clinton herself, it doesn't happen. So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna lock her up now while Biden's in office.

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Speaker 1: You're not. No way. Here's an easy thought experiment. You

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Speaker 1: just heard what Jensaki said when she was asked that question,

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Speaker 1: which credit, by the way, the media member who asked

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Speaker 1: that question, because it is a very valid thing to

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Speaker 1: be asking. What do you think the response would have

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Speaker 1: Do you think that they would have said, Oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're not really going to get into that. That's a

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Speaker 1: this is further evidence of why the former president was

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Speaker 1: have been totally different. You'd have an endless parade of

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Speaker 1: they would be they would be taking the dial of

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Speaker 1: their hysteria to eleven on this stuff, and there aren't

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Speaker 1: you know, look, there are no good answers they can

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Speaker 1: offer up on this because, for anybody who's been paying

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Speaker 1: attention to the Russia collusion lie from the very beginning,

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Speaker 1: this was all a set up. It was a political

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Speaker 1: hit job, it was a hoax, and it's the biggest

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Speaker 1: dirty trick that anyone's ever seen in politics in my

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Speaker 1: lifetime for sure. So what are they gonna say. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of like the mask thing. We were wrong, We're idiots. Sorry, No,

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Speaker 1: they're never gonna say that. Although that I don't think

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. How's the mid terms

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Speaker 1: and the mom revolution at the school board meeting still

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Speaker 1: for having me. So let's start with the redistricting fight.

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Speaker 1: I keep having friends that watch the stuff very closely.

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Speaker 1: Who paying me to say? Why aren't Republicans willing to

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Speaker 1: are you seeing? No, that's not exactly the story. I

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Speaker 1: So it's partially because of the twenty eighteen elections. Let's

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Speaker 1: start with that. The twentyeen elections, Republicans got wiped out

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Speaker 1: in governor's elections across the entire Midwest and the Southwest.

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Speaker 1: It really, really really hurt them. You have states like

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Speaker 1: New Mexico, which had Governor Susanna Martinez in twenty and

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Speaker 1: now you have all Democrats. Same thing in Nevada, same

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Speaker 1: thing in Illinois, same thing in New York. Now all

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Speaker 1: of those states now are where the party is able

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Speaker 1: to redistrict, have really gutted Republicans chances of picking up

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Speaker 1: some seats. And New York, for example, Republicans are going

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Speaker 1: to lose about four seats or there'll be less likely

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Speaker 1: to keep four seats in a state where they didn't have.

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Speaker 1: You know that many compared Democrats to begin with, Republicans

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Speaker 1: have tried in states like Tennessee, for example, they have

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Speaker 1: they gutted one of the two Republican seats in Georgia.

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Speaker 1: They were very aggressive. In Texas, they were very aggressive,

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Speaker 1: and they were districting. The problems is the courts have

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Speaker 1: other states were Republicans were very aggressively redistricting the you

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Speaker 1: know the in North Carolina's case, it was a Democrat

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Speaker 1: majority court. In Ohio was a Republican majority court have

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Speaker 1: struck them down, and the courts have not been holding

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Speaker 1: Democrats the same account. In New Jersey for example, Jersey

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Speaker 1: mean in some of the places districts are connected by water,

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Speaker 1: they're not even connected by landmasses, um. And they still

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Speaker 1: they still kept the court upheld the Democrat redistricting efforts.

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Speaker 1: So it's been I mean it partially it's been because

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Speaker 1: in the quote unquote nonpartisans redistricting, it's very clearly favorite Democrats.

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Speaker 1: In the cases of you know, California, for example, Republicans

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Speaker 1: are you know, some in common Republicans are having a

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Speaker 1: very very tough time. So early on, the argument was

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Speaker 1: that Republicans who are going to gain a lot from redistricting.

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Speaker 1: Obviously that has not been the case. As you are

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Speaker 1: laying it out here. What would be your forecast for

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Speaker 1: what is likely to happen in the House, now that

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Speaker 1: what these districts are going to look like nationwide, what

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Speaker 1: would be your over underestimate for Republican pickup and what

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Speaker 1: chance would you even give a Democrats to be able

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Speaker 1: to hold on keep Nancy Pelosi in power in the House. Well, so,

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Speaker 1: there are a bunch of big states that have still

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Speaker 1: not presented their maps. Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: Those the big ones especially, they still don't have their

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Speaker 1: maps present. So we don't know about one hundred some

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Speaker 1: odd seats are still out. With the seats that we

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Speaker 1: a seventy five to eighty percent chance of winning back

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Speaker 1: the House. It's looking like it's going to be as

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Speaker 1: of right now, as of today, it's an R plus

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Speaker 1: four map. That's what the Democrat internals say, that's what

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Speaker 1: the median public polls are all showing Republicans right So

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Speaker 1: last year it was about a D plus seven map nationally,

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Speaker 1: it's looking like an R plus four map. So it's

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Speaker 1: a monster swing, like a double digit swing from a

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Speaker 1: set nunus seven to a plus four if you're a Republican, right,

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Speaker 1: it's a gigantic swing. Puts Democrats in a position of

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Speaker 1: weakness in places, even in Connecticut, even in Nevada, in

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Speaker 1: some places, even in parts of California, and Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: is a giant drag on the party right now. The

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Speaker 1: forty seven percent of approval rating in the state of California.

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Speaker 1: This is a state he won by thirty points just

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Speaker 1: a year ago. Kamala Harris has a thirty eight percent

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Speaker 1: of approval rating, only sixty percent of Democrats and thirty

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris at this point. Now, that doesn't mean Democrats

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Speaker 1: are going to start voting in mass for Republicans, but

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Speaker 1: what it does show is that they may not vote

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Speaker 1: at all, which was the case in several of these states,

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Speaker 1: State of the Governor's election, Republicans barely lost the governor's election,

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Speaker 1: but they had the biggest swing of the state legislative

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Speaker 1: elections in thirty years. Jesse. Yesterday last night you had

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Speaker 1: be kicked out, and in New Jersey you had Republicans

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Speaker 1: win city council races in New Jersey in very, very

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Speaker 1: blue areas. Because Republican turnout is going to be closer

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Speaker 1: nearly as high, which will absolutely be what saves a

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Speaker 1: lot of Republicans who will find themselves because of redistricting

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Speaker 1: in bluer districts. Right so, right now, I would say

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Speaker 1: Republicans have a very sorry Republicans have a very good

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Speaker 1: which is a comfortable majority. It's not huge, but I

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Speaker 1: lot of Republicans come next year, will be representing seats

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Speaker 1: that Biden one, So expect a lot more moderation coming

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Speaker 1: from Republicans simply because they will be representing districts that

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Speaker 1: voted against Trump in twenty twenty. So the party will

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Speaker 1: be bigger, but it will probably be a lot more

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Speaker 1: party wave elections sing because they won't be representing that

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Speaker 1: went for the president. They'll just be representing more more

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Speaker 1: moderate or independent leaning areas. We're speaking to Ryan Grdusky,

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Speaker 1: author if they're not listening and founder of the seventeen

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Speaker 1: seventy six Project Pack. Ryan, what do you think if

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Speaker 1: this mid terms? You know, between now and when the

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Speaker 1: votes are cast, you look at the day at a

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Speaker 1: day in and day out, you follow very closely the

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Speaker 1: competitive races. What is the uh, the secret sauce, so

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Speaker 1: to speak? What's the magic combo? What should Republicans be

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Speaker 1: hammering between now an election day? Right? So, I'm writing

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Speaker 1: actually a thing about this for my National Populous substract,

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Speaker 1: the National Pubs, a national populist newsletter on substack. This

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Speaker 1: is the perfect time for what Trump campaigned on in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. Think about this. You have massive runaway inflation,

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Speaker 1: which is a secret tax, and the weakening of the

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Speaker 1: three of the pandemics. Most products that they claim that

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Speaker 1: we're going to be made in America are still not

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Speaker 1: essential services that the American public really desperately wants. It

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Speaker 1: on their promise with President Trump to buy two hundred

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Speaker 1: billion more dollars more of American products. That never happened.

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Speaker 1: And lastly, the border and immigration are a complete disaster area.

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Speaker 1: A new Gallophole found that seventy percent of Republicans want

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Speaker 1: to reduce legal immigration, legal not illegal, and illegal immigration

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Speaker 1: is the number one issue driving Republican voters. If you

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Speaker 1: want your base to turn out, you need to emphasize

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Speaker 1: all of those things. It has to be a message

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Speaker 1: of economic populism and nationalism when it comes to immigration,

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Speaker 1: that is the message to hammer home. That is what

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Speaker 1: new variants and new strengths, threatening to lock them down again.

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Speaker 1: They are more hesitant towards mass immigration than ever. And

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Speaker 1: they are sitting there and saying, we are the country

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Speaker 1: that defeated the Nazis and the Communists in the last century.

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Speaker 1: Why can we still not produce ventilators in this country?

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Speaker 1: Why why are we depended on Mexico for our military equipment.

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Speaker 1: This is a gigantic natural security and economic issue. This

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Speaker 1: is the issue to lean into. And if I was

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Speaker 1: also a Republican, I would say lean away from issues

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Speaker 1: But they look at their children right now and the

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Speaker 1: you a roadmap right there. Thanks for the update on redistererging.

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Speaker 1: Just you gotta tell us, man, what is the state

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Speaker 1: of play right now? Because a couple of days ago,

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Speaker 1: an invasion Wednesday, as if yesterday it was actually Putin's

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Speaker 1: moving away from it looks like there's not going to

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Speaker 1: be a war. What's happening in Ukraine? Right So, after

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Speaker 1: most likely preceded by waves of air strikes in this

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Speaker 1: ucrainis the military rest at bat like a desert storm

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Speaker 1: Whether or not today was D Day or not, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think everybody knows, but today is the day

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Speaker 1: its military forces around Ukraine. So I think, you know,

858
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: we were in the dangerous period right now, the build

859
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: up phases of this is over. The waiting game has begun,

860
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: and so now Russia's tactic effectively is to just clout

861
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: the information space, which is with as much confusion as possible,

862
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: to make us not know what is coming next, and

863
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: to make us second guests or assumptions, and also to

864
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: have the element of surprise. We know that they are

865
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: poised to attack, we do not know when. There is,

866
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: of course always the possibility that Putin could walk this

867
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: back and decide to change course. But at the moment

868
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: we have to take this deadly seriously because Russia does

869
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: have the firepower in place to execute what would effectively

870
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 1: be the largest land invasion in Europe since World War Two. Nolan.

871
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: When I think about living in Ukraine, I can't imagine

872
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: what it feels like to have this potentially hanging over

873
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: your head. What does it feel like in Kiev and

874
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: throughout Ukraine as the possibility of this invasion looms. What

875
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: is it like in the streets, What does it feel

876
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: like among the populace? What are you seeing? Is there

877
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: a palpable fear or do people seem to believe it's

878
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: not going to happen. Yeah, So, an analogy I'd use

879
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: quite often recently is that I'd looking Florida, And this

880
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: really reminds me of those days right before major hurricanes

881
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: about to hit, where you're trying to decide, you know,

882
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: do I stay, do I flee? What do I do?

883
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: Do I go buy a munch of canned food? Do

884
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: I fill the bathtub up with water? Like? People are

885
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: trying to make these decisions, and you know, it's it's surreal.

886
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: You know, I watched the movie Schindler's List last night,

887
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: and I just feel like we're living through this moment

888
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: that it just can't believe that this is happening in

889
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. You know, here a European capital, some

890
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: three to four million people, people, families are making decisions

891
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: like become a refugee in the middle of winter, Do

892
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: I stay put and ride out a potential Russian bombing attack?

893
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: Or many people have decided to take up arms and

894
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: potentially fight should Russia in Dade. So it's really, you know,

895
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: just an extraordinary moment. You see life basically going on

896
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: as normal. Hearing keys. I mean, you know, what choice

897
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: do people have but to go on about their lives.

898
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: And I think that many Western journalists get it wrong

899
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: a little bit when they see life going on they think, oh, well,

900
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: the people here don't think it seriously. But remember this

901
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: country has been a war for eight years already. Russia

902
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: invaded this country in twenty fourteen. So the people here,

903
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: they're a little bit desensitized, i'd say, to the right

904
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: of violence, because they've lived with the war in their

905
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: country now since twenty fourteen. And you know, as an American,

906
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: I can say too that the Ukrainian culture is not

907
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: a culture where they wear their emotions on their sleeves

908
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: like we do in America, and so their stoic nature

909
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: as they endure this very tough situation is quite impressive.

910
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: And I you know, I have to say too, the

911
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: way civil society is stepping up and preparing civilians for

912
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: the war is amazing. You know. You see a nation

913
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: of people who are not waiting for their government to

914
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: save them. And as an American, especially in an American veteran,

915
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: I'd say I'm quite impressed, inspiring. But what I've been

916
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: seeing here in Ukraine recently, Nolan we're speaking of Nolan Peterson.

917
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: He is on the ground in the capital of Ukraine

918
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: and Kiev, and as he says, the calm before what

919
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: may be the storm of a major Russian invasion. Maybe

920
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: we don't know Nolan to that point, what would Putin

921
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 1: possibly get out of this such that it would have

922
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: been worth it to gather what over one hundred and

923
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 1: thirty thousand troops of preparation for really a three pronged

924
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: invasion if he wants it and then nothing, what could

925
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: he get? What is the prize that would keep him

926
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: from going in? Right? So I think right now, you know,

927
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: if somebody subscribes to the notion this is all bluff,

928
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 1: you know, I would say, like, what is he achieved

929
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: at this point to justify his bluff? Right? Like Nado

930
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: is certainly more united. Ukraine has been receiving waves of

931
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: weapons from its Western partners, and the Ukrainian people is

932
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: they are resolutely, you know, stepfast in their commitment to

933
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: democracy and their western trajectory away from Russia. So I'd

934
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: say that Russia, besides creating chaos, has really achieved nothing.

935
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: Does all these speculations about what this attack will look like, right,

936
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: whether it's going to be another so called hybrid war,

937
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: or a land bridge to Crimea or whatnot. And I

938
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: have a bit more pessimistic viewpoint because I think that

939
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: you know Uhia is the Kremlin isn't looking for landbuster crimea,

940
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: They're not looking for another grayzone war. They're looking to

941
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: fundamentally reverse Ukraine's trajectory toward the west. And if that's

942
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: Moscow's goal, that they're not going to achieve that with

943
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: some little Green Men attack in the east. That will

944
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: require an attack on Keys to change the government. And

945
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: so I think that's why we should be really concerned,

946
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: because Moscow's intent here is to fundamentally reverse Ukraine's western trajectory,

947
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: and so that I think telegraphs, you know, the type

948
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: of conflict we're looking at, and that maximalist aim certainly

949
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: signals of very very significant military action. Nolan, how will

950
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian people react, not only the military you mentioned

951
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: sort of a Gulf War style invasion. What we saw

952
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: in Iraq was many of the soldiers basically threw down

953
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: their weapons and refused to do the battle for for

954
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: Saddam Hussein. How committed do you think the Ukrainian people

955
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: are too resisting this Russian attack in the event it comes.

956
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: But that's a good point, and I think, you know,

957
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: as a as an American veteran who I served in

958
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: both Iraq and Afghanistan, where we were prodding societies to

959
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: embrace demotion of democracy, right, but this is a country

960
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: that chose democracy on their own eight years ago, and

961
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: they have fight tooth and nail for the last eight

962
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: years to keep those dreams alive. They're not fighting in Ukraine,

963
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: they have not fought for the past eight years, and

964
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: don't boss to join NATO. They're fighting to remain a

965
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: sovereign country, to choose their own destiny, to be a

966
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: free country free from Russian depression. And so I think that,

967
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: you know, many Ukrainians see this as an existential fight,

968
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: a fight that they're you know, as fathers and forefathers

969
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: have been fighting for generations during the Soviet period in

970
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: the nineties to get rid of this Russian malign influence

971
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: over their society. And so I have no out based

972
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: on what I've seen that if the Ukrainian regular art

973
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: military is defeated from the field of battle, the Ukrainian

974
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: nation will step up and continue the fight. My fifty

975
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: seven year old father in law has vowed to take

976
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: up arms and fight. He's a former Soviet Army soldier

977
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 1: and he's going to fight against Russians. If they come

978
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: into their home town. So I have no doubt that

979
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: Ukrainian nation is prepared to waging the surgency. That said, however,

980
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, insurgencies aren't things that tapped them over night.

981
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: You don't flip on a switch and suddenly have an

982
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: insurgency ready to rock. So I think that that would

983
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,959
Speaker 1: take time. And I think that you know, a major

984
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: Russian attack will lightly be extraordinarily violent and fast, and

985
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: it may inflict such an amount of damage on Ukraine's

986
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: infrastructure and military that Russia could achieve as goals with

987
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: in such a short time that the insurgency wouldn't have

988
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: time to take root. Nolan, please stay safe out there, man.

989
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: We'll have you back. Nolan Peterson and senior editor Coffee

990
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Speaker 1: or Die magazine. Right, I was fantastic, Thank you, my man.

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