Speaker 1: Welcome its Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
Speaker 1: Hope you had a great Labor Day weekend with your
Speaker 1: family and friends and center. We've got a lot to
Speaker 1: talk about, including some shocking new news that deals with
Speaker 1: a Comer subpoena of majorcis the Secret Service over a
Speaker 1: tip off of the twenty twenty Hunter Biden tax probe interview.
Speaker 2: Now, I want you to remind.
Speaker 1: People about this because this is something we've gone in
Speaker 1: depth with Comber on on this show. We did that
Speaker 1: two part series with him. James Comer talked about how
Speaker 1: interesting this was that there was a tip off that
Speaker 1: you would actually let people know in advance of what
Speaker 1: you were trying to gain from them when it comes
Speaker 1: to an investigation.
Speaker 3: Well, this is something we've discussed at length on Verdict,
Speaker 3: which is the allegations from two separate whistleblowers senior career
Speaker 3: IRS employees, that the Biden Justice Department the Biden administration
Speaker 3: were in effect obstructing justice, that they were blocking for
Speaker 3: Hunter Biden, they were preventing any investigation of Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: One of the aspects of it is when the investigators
Speaker 3: wanted to go and interview Hunter Biden. Now that's a
Speaker 3: typical part of an investigation. You go and try and
Speaker 3: interview the target of the investigation and see if, frankly,
Speaker 3: they'll say something dumb. Well, in this instance, unfortunately, in
Speaker 3: the Biden administration, the political higher ups at the Department
Speaker 3: of Justice, allegedly according the whistleblowers, gave a heads up
Speaker 3: to the Secret Service and said, hey, these guys want
Speaker 3: to investigate Hunter and enabled him to prepare. They also
Speaker 3: gave heads up to Hunter's lawyers when they wanted to
Speaker 3: execute a search warrant on finding documents and evidence of
Speaker 3: criminal activity. And so what has happened this week is
Speaker 3: is that James Comber and the Housesentatives has subpoena the
Speaker 3: Department of Homeland Security and they're seeking documents. They're also
Speaker 3: seeking depositions. So there were totally six subpoenas sent on Tuesday,
Speaker 3: one directed at Secretary of Mayorcus for documents and the
Speaker 3: remaining five for depositions, two to Secret Service officials and
Speaker 3: three to DHS officials. So right now, these subpoenas are
Speaker 3: not seeking to question Mayorcus directly, but rather people that
Speaker 3: report to Mayorcus. But the entire focus of it is
Speaker 3: to what extent is the Biden administration blocking using government
Speaker 3: resources to protect Hunter Biden. And remember, the critical question
Speaker 3: is to protect Joe Biden from investigation. And this is
Speaker 3: yet another example of the only source of this investigation
Speaker 3: going forward being the Republican House of Representatives because the
Speaker 3: Democrat Senate has zero interest in finding out what happened
Speaker 3: and whether or not Joe Biden has taken bribes from
Speaker 3: foreign nationals, and most of the corporate media likewise has
Speaker 3: no interest. So it is the House or Representatives that's
Speaker 3: driving this forward, and they're doing it even more so
Speaker 3: this week.
Speaker 2: I wanted to pew it here.
Speaker 1: This is how this news broke and it's not shocking,
Speaker 1: but it certainly is going to be significant.
Speaker 4: So breaking news to.
Speaker 3: Tell you about here.
Speaker 5: Foxnews dot Com has just discovered that the Chairman of
Speaker 5: the House Oversight Committee, James Comer, has subpoena the DHS
Speaker 5: Secretary Alhandra Majorcas and several other DHS and Secret Service
Speaker 5: officials wanting testimony related to the Secret services alleged tip
Speaker 5: off of the Biden transition team regarding a planned one
Speaker 5: Hunter Biden tax probe interview back in twenty twenty, also
Speaker 5: accusing the agencies of obstruction of the congressional investigation. Six
Speaker 5: subpoenas in total were sent out, one directed to Mayorcis
Speaker 5: for documents and five for depositions due to Secret Service officials,
Speaker 5: and three to DHS officials. Comer told Fox News Digital quote,
Speaker 5: the Department of Justice initiated the Biden family cover up,
Speaker 5: and now DHS, under the leadership of Secretary may Orcus
Speaker 5: is complicit in it.
Speaker 4: He went on to say investigators.
Speaker 5: Were never able to interview Hunter Biden during the criminal
Speaker 5: investigation because Secret Service headquarters and the Biden transition team
Speaker 5: were tipped off about the planned interview.
Speaker 2: We'll keep following this. I love how they broke this story.
Speaker 1: So my next question is if you were getting to
Speaker 1: ask the question centers, what would you want to know
Speaker 1: and what would you ask if you're on the House
Speaker 1: side and these people are able to be brought in,
Speaker 1: and what would you hope those answers would be from
Speaker 1: them if they are actually truthful.
Speaker 3: Well, look, the central question here is to what extent
Speaker 3: did the Biden administration engage in obstruction of justice? To
Speaker 3: what extent did they block the criminal investigation into the
Speaker 3: misconduct of Hunter Biden and more importantly Joe Biden. We've
Speaker 3: got multiple whistleblowers that allege they did so considerably. Here's
Speaker 3: what I think is going to play out.
Speaker 4: Ben.
Speaker 3: I think we're going to see the House of Representatives
Speaker 3: in peach Alejandro Mayorcus. That's something, as you know, I've
Speaker 3: been calling for for almost the entirety of the Biden administration.
Speaker 3: I think Mayorcus has presided over the worst disaster at
Speaker 3: our southern border in our nation's history. I think he
Speaker 3: is responsible very directly for implementing Joe Biden and Kamala
Speaker 3: Harris's directives that have produced body bag after body bag
Speaker 3: that have produced chaos and misery and suffering and death,
Speaker 3: and that has been utterly lawless. I think that will happen.
Speaker 3: Number one. Number two, I think what should happen, But
Speaker 3: frankly I'm less confident that it will happen. Is I
Speaker 3: think the House ought to pursue the impeachment of Merrick Garland.
Speaker 3: That I think the serious, credible allegations of obstruction of
Speaker 3: justice and of lying under oath under Merrick Garland, they
Speaker 3: merit a special council being appointed in the Department of Justice.
Speaker 3: They also merit the House of Representatives opening an impeachment
Speaker 3: inquiry to Merrick Garland that I'm less confident that they
Speaker 3: will go forward with than I am about Alejandro Majorcas.
Speaker 3: I think the pressure on going after Mayorcus is greater
Speaker 3: on fortunately, than the pressure on going after Merrick Garland.
Speaker 3: The third thing that I think the House will do
Speaker 3: is formally open an impeachment inquiry on Joe Biden. At
Speaker 3: this point, the evidence that Joe Biden personally solicited and
Speaker 3: received bribes from foreign nationals, whether it is Ukrainian ola garks,
Speaker 3: or Russian oligarchs or senior Chinese communist officials, that evidence
Speaker 3: is considerable. It's not proven conclusively, but at this point
Speaker 3: the weight of the evidence is such that I think
Speaker 3: the only responsible thing for the House to do is
Speaker 3: open an impeachment inquiry. To do so, we'll take a
Speaker 3: full vote on the floor of the House. I think
Speaker 3: we'll get that vote, and I think the Speaker of
Speaker 3: the House, Kevin McCarthy, wants that inquiry to open up. Now,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you one of the real consequences if and
Speaker 3: when the House opens an impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: It is going to increase dramatically the likelihood that we
Speaker 3: will get access to this some five four hundred emails
Speaker 3: that Joe Biden sent using fake email addresses, using pseudonyms,
Speaker 3: and those include emails sent to his son, Hunter Biden,
Speaker 3: who is not and was not a federal government employee.
Speaker 3: That those include emails that allegedly concern Ukraine, while Hunter
Speaker 3: Biden was getting paid millions of dollars from corrupt Ukrainian
Speaker 3: oligarchs in order to try to secure favors from his father.
Speaker 3: And the reason that opening an impeachment inquiry into Joe
Speaker 3: Biden is so important is right now, the House is
Speaker 3: seeking access to those five four hundred emails from the
Speaker 3: National Archives, and the National Archives is following a statute
Speaker 3: called the Presidential Records Act, and so in order to
Speaker 3: hand those emails over, the National Archives needs the permission
Speaker 3: of Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Now I'm going to
Speaker 3: quantify right now the precise statistical likelihood that Barack Obama
Speaker 3: and Joe Biden will give permission to hand over those emails.
Speaker 3: That exact likelihood is zero point zero zero percent. They're
Speaker 3: not going to do so. Actually, Biden gets asked twice.
Speaker 3: He gets asked both as the former vice president and
Speaker 3: as the current president, so he can say no twice. Now,
Speaker 3: why does an impeachment inquiry of Joe Biden matter? It
Speaker 3: matters because, under the terms of the Presidential Records Act,
Speaker 3: special access to presidential records is allowed to Congress quote
Speaker 3: to the extent of matter within its jurisdiction, to any
Speaker 3: committee if such records contain information that is needed for
Speaker 3: the conduct of its business that is not otherwise available. So,
Speaker 3: in other words, if and when the House formally votes
Speaker 3: to open an impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden, it suddenly
Speaker 3: has explicit statutory authorization to get access to all five
Speaker 3: thousand and four hundred of those emails from Joe Biden's
Speaker 3: fake email addresses. And again, as we've discussed on this
Speaker 3: podcast many times, there is no legitimate reason for Joe
Speaker 3: Biden to have fake email addresses. There's no legitimate reason
Speaker 3: for him to have burner phones, with which he allegedly
Speaker 3: also had, And so I think the odds are quite good.
Speaker 3: Number one that we see impeachment of Alejandro mayorcis, but
Speaker 3: number two that we see the House formally open an
Speaker 3: impeachment inquiry into Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
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Speaker 1: Center Democrats, I do believe, are now starting to worry
Speaker 1: about the idea of impeachment. The reason why you can
Speaker 1: see it is on the Sunday morning shows. Congressman Conna wrote,
Speaker 1: Kona had this to say when he was talking with
Speaker 1: one of those guys that hates, obviously, Donald Trump, Jim Acosta,
Speaker 1: on CNN about the evidence to go after impeachment.
Speaker 6: Listen, and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy says Republicans could soon
Speaker 6: vote on a formal impeachment query and to President Biden
Speaker 6: something obviously the former president has pressed Republicans to do
Speaker 6: on truth social What do you make of this is
Speaker 6: this a serious threat. We're going to be talking about
Speaker 6: impeachment here in the coming months.
Speaker 2: What's going on.
Speaker 7: Unfortunately, I think it is a serious threat from the extremes.
Speaker 7: But this is not what the American people want. This
Speaker 7: is not what Republicans or Democrats and my constituency are
Speaker 7: asking for, and there is no evidence to justify it.
Speaker 7: So I think what people want is to solve their issues, childcare,
Speaker 7: the fact that the rents cost too much, the fact
Speaker 7: that wages haven't kept up with the cost of living.
Speaker 7: That's what they want us to do in Congress, and
Speaker 7: I think it would be a political mistake for the
Speaker 7: speaker to go down that road.
Speaker 1: I mean, you hear that saying there's no evidence justify
Speaker 1: by an impeachment. This is actually when I know that
Speaker 1: there's a good chance the Democrats are fearful of what
Speaker 1: we could find out through impeachment.
Speaker 3: Well, one of the things that's striking Jim Acosta is
Speaker 3: such a propaganda puppet joke. You notice his question. His
Speaker 3: question does not discuss any facts, It doesn't discuss any evidence.
Speaker 3: He says, my god, do you think Democrats will dare
Speaker 3: do this?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: My goodness, of rather Republicans, Will they dare come after us? Like,
Speaker 3: that's not a journalist? And what does he do? He
Speaker 3: lets the Democrat congressman say, well, there's no evidence. Really,
Speaker 3: What as a text from Hunter Biden to a senior
Speaker 3: communist Chinese official saying I'm sitting next to my father,
Speaker 3: pay me millions of dollars or my father will retaliate
Speaker 3: against you. You know what that is? That is called evidence.
Speaker 3: So the statement there is no evidence is blatantly false.
Speaker 3: But if Jim Acosta were a reporter, he would point
Speaker 3: that out. What about the evidence of not one, but
Speaker 3: two career IRS employees, senior supervisory officials at the IRS,
Speaker 3: who came forward, and they're not Republicans, they're probably Democrats
Speaker 3: who came forward and said, we've seen obstruction of justice
Speaker 3: and lying under oath. This administration is covering up investigation
Speaker 3: of Joe Biden's criminality. Is that not evidence? What about
Speaker 3: a confidential human source coming forward saying Joe Biden and
Speaker 3: Hunter Biden solicited and received five million dollars a peach
Speaker 3: a piece from a foreign oligarch. Now none of those
Speaker 3: perhaps conclusively prove bribery, but it is absurd to say
Speaker 3: they are no evidence on their face their evidence, And
Speaker 3: if CNN had even a tiny sentilla of journalistic integrity,
Speaker 3: number one, they'd fired Jim Acosta because he's a clown.
Speaker 3: But number two, they would actually talk about facts rather
Speaker 3: than clutching their pearls and say, how dare anyone inquire
Speaker 3: into dear leader Sata?
Speaker 1: This goes perfectly by the way to your point that
Speaker 1: you just made. And for many that may not have
Speaker 1: seen this. The Washington Post Philip Bomp, who's a raging liberal,
Speaker 1: walked out on an interview when he was asked a
Speaker 1: tough question and it's supposed to be a journalist asked
Speaker 1: a tough question about Joe Biden and the Biden crime family.
Speaker 2: Take a listen, may what.
Speaker 8: Do you take from the text message to his adult
Speaker 8: daughter hundred techiz, I had to give fifty percent of
Speaker 8: my income to pop.
Speaker 4: I have no idea what that means. I don't. I
Speaker 4: have no idea what that means.
Speaker 9: It's I know, it's circumstantial evidence, and you prefer that
Speaker 9: what what could?
Speaker 4: I have no idea? But doesn't it don't know? Well,
Speaker 4: I appreciate your has anybody has anybody asked her? I
Speaker 4: don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 8: Don't you think somebody should ask her?
Speaker 4: Okay, like I'm not.
Speaker 9: I just said I don't know, and I don't know
Speaker 9: what to make of it, so I have nothing say
Speaker 9: about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it doesn't want to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you say there's no evident evidence.
Speaker 8: But then there's a text message where he says, I
Speaker 8: give pop fifty cent of my money.
Speaker 2: That's that's evidence.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, okay, fine, fine, so evidence. I appreciate your
Speaker 4: having me on.
Speaker 2: It doesn't that something like that?
Speaker 4: Who do you think me more?
Speaker 3: I lived at that.
Speaker 9: I'm saying you can figure. I don't I feel you
Speaker 9: want me to leave? Like just walk out in the
Speaker 9: middle of this. You can that way you can?
Speaker 8: You can go?
Speaker 4: Is this a standard?
Speaker 5: Really?
Speaker 8: This is the way the Washington Post handles people who disagree.
Speaker 9: With one I agree to be on for forty five minutes,
Speaker 9: and then they get on for an hour and fifteen.
Speaker 4: Yet that after a while I go go, thanks, man?
Speaker 2: Is't it amazing the timing there?
Speaker 1: Oh? I gotta go, gotta go right now, right can't
Speaker 1: answer that question. You're trying to get me to just
Speaker 1: look like I'm walking off the set. No, he's trying
Speaker 1: to give him to answer a question.
Speaker 3: So, all right, number one, the person questioning him is
Speaker 3: a guy named Nome Dwarman, who it's he's on a
Speaker 3: podcast and he's not a conservative. H No, Dorman is
Speaker 3: actually a liberal. He's the owner of comedy Seller. And
Speaker 3: so I'm sure Philip Bump figured, Okay, Philip Bump is
Speaker 3: this left wing hack for the Washington Post. I'm sure
Speaker 3: he thought, Okay, I'm going to be in a little
Speaker 3: love fest. No one's gonna ask me anything hard. And
Speaker 3: Philip Bump used his entire job as being the apologist
Speaker 3: for the regime. So when when Dwarman asks him about
Speaker 3: the text message of Hunter expressing frustration that he has
Speaker 3: to give half of what he makes to Pop, notice,
Speaker 3: but Bumps, I don't know what it means. I don't
Speaker 3: know what it means. And then okay, you don't know
Speaker 3: what it means. That's not complicated, it's not subtle, it's
Speaker 3: not difficult to figure out. And then he says, it's
Speaker 3: circumstantial evidence. Mister Bump, you are using words you do
Speaker 3: not know what they mean. What does the word circumstantial means? No, Actually,
Speaker 3: it is direct evidence. It is direct evidence. It is
Speaker 3: the statement from Hunter saying he gave fifty percent of
Speaker 3: his money to Pop. That is direct evidence. Circumstantial is
Speaker 3: he has twice as much money one day and then
Speaker 3: he goes to see his dad and the next day
Speaker 3: he has half as much. That would be circumstantial evidence
Speaker 3: that he gave Pop half the money. When he says
Speaker 3: I had to give Pop half the money, that is
Speaker 3: direct evidence. It may not be true, could be telling
Speaker 3: something that is false, but it is not, in fact,
Speaker 3: circumstantial evidence. And if you actually listen to more of
Speaker 3: that interview. In fact, let me read from the transcript
Speaker 3: of this interview. So Bump gets very upset when he's
Speaker 3: being pressed, and he says, quote, I just I'm gonna
Speaker 3: lose my mind. I'm gonna lose my mind. And Dorman
Speaker 3: presses him and asks, quote, is there nothing we can
Speaker 3: talk about half the country believes this stuff. Bump comes
Speaker 3: back with quote, I know because half the country doesn't
Speaker 3: actually dig into the issues. Dwarman then press says, well,
Speaker 3: here's your chance to disabuse people they don't read the
Speaker 3: Washington Post. And Bump comes back and says, there's just
Speaker 3: no point because all you want to do is have me,
Speaker 3: here is the putative expert. So you can present me
Speaker 3: with things that have been debunked multiple times that I've
Speaker 3: written about. Dorman asks a very reasonable question, what's been debunked, Bump,
Speaker 3: these claims I've written about this, this argument about his
Speaker 3: dad calling him, I've written about this. Did you read
Speaker 3: what I wrote? Dorman says, it's not debunked. Neither of
Speaker 3: us were there.
Speaker 4: Bump, Well, I've debunked it.
Speaker 3: In the standpoint that I've already addressed this and presented
Speaker 3: the counter arguments to it. I want you to pause
Speaker 3: for a second and think, in the view of the
Speaker 3: Washington Post, debunked means he's addressed it and presented the
Speaker 3: counter arguments to it. In other words, if he repeats
Speaker 3: the talking points of the Biden regime, it's been debunked.
Speaker 3: The fact that there are counter arguments doesn't mean it's debunked.
Speaker 3: It means he's simply arguing the other side. And then
Speaker 3: Bump goes on, and here's what he says. He says well,
Speaker 3: Dowrman says, quote, I have two issues here. One is
Speaker 3: Joe Biden's behavior, and one is the issue of the press.
Speaker 3: The press actually bothers me more than Joe Biden. Mind you,
Speaker 3: this is a Democrat saying this. And here's Bump's response, quote,
Speaker 3: because you don't listen to the press. I'm sitting here
Speaker 3: and I'm telling you you're wrong about these things, and
Speaker 3: you don't listen, and you continue to insist upon things
Speaker 3: that are you know, parsing of language. It's just it's
Speaker 3: it's this. This is why I keep saying it's silly.
Speaker 3: Dowarman says, well, it's a shame because this is a
Speaker 3: good conversation, and Bump says, it's not a good comp
Speaker 3: because you refuse to listen to what I'm saying to you.
Speaker 3: You asked me on to present evidence, I keep telling you.
Speaker 3: Dorman then comes back and says, well, what about what
Speaker 3: independent journalist Matt Tabee has reported? And Bump says what, no, No,
Speaker 3: Tybee has an agenda, And Dorman asked, well, do you
Speaker 3: have an agenda? And Bump admits, and listen to this,
Speaker 3: listen to his explanation. Bump says, quote, I do have
Speaker 3: an agenda. My agenda is to do my best to
Speaker 3: try and present accurate information to the public, and I
Speaker 3: have an institution behind me to hold me to account
Speaker 3: when I don't do that, which I think is an
Speaker 3: important consideration. It really is stunning that number one, when
Speaker 3: confronted with facts, a supposed journalist doesn't actually address those facts.
Speaker 3: When confronted with evidence, he doesn't address the evidence. In fact,
Speaker 3: he denies the evidence exists. And he claims that because
Speaker 3: he has parroted the talking points of the White House,
Speaker 3: even when contradicts or even when contrary to objective facts.
Speaker 3: That means claims have been debunked. This is why journalism
Speaker 3: is corrupted. You know, it's striking. The Washington Post its
Speaker 3: motto is democracy dies in darkness. I gotta say today
Speaker 3: the Washington Post that motto has become a mission statement.
Speaker 3: It seems like their objective is to kill democracy by
Speaker 3: ensuring on darkness in every circumstance.
Speaker 1: One other thing that I do have to laugh about
Speaker 1: it when he acts like he has an institution behind him.
Speaker 1: That's like, you know, checking on him as he described
Speaker 1: it right with like you know, I've held a higher standard.
Speaker 2: This is the same Washington Post.
Speaker 1: To be clear, that still has not at least to
Speaker 1: my knowledge, is of a week or two ago when
Speaker 1: we were talking about this has still not updated and
Speaker 1: in fact checked their own reporting on Russia collusion with
Speaker 1: Donald Jerry Trump, which they now know is a lie.
Speaker 3: Well, not only that one of the leading Russia Russia
Speaker 3: Russia cheerleaders was Philip Bump. He was eager to say
Speaker 3: over and over and over again things that now have
Speaker 3: been debunked, that are now completely false. He was completely
Speaker 3: taken in by the so called p tape that we
Speaker 3: know was paid for by the DNC and the Hillary
Speaker 3: Clinton campaign and is false. But you know what, the
Speaker 3: Washington Post won a pulletzer for their false reporting, and
Speaker 3: I have to say, given that that reporting played a
Speaker 3: pivotal role in the election results of twenty twenty, you know,
Speaker 3: it is admirable how they engage in election interference and
Speaker 3: then do not admit when they're wrong. They don't issue
Speaker 3: a correction, and then in the case of Philip Bump,
Speaker 3: they get angry when anyone points out just how wrong
Speaker 3: they were and when anyone actually points to real facts
Speaker 3: or real evidence.
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Speaker 1: n ninety five masks for all their third graders. Because
Speaker 1: a few kids tested positive for COVID. They send out
Speaker 1: a letter telling parents that these, these masks, these in
Speaker 1: ninety five masks are going to be mandated in class.
Speaker 1: These masks, they say, have been distributed and students and
Speaker 1: staff and identified classes and or activities will be required
Speaker 1: to mask while in school for at least the next
Speaker 1: ten days, except of course, while eating and drinking, and
Speaker 1: the mask will become optional, they claim. After the quote
Speaker 1: outbreak has dissipated, here it is mask mandates coming back.
Speaker 3: Look, this is utterly absurd. Mask mandates are wrong, and
Speaker 3: for the Left, this has become a it's a combination
Speaker 3: of a number of things. Number one, it's an article
Speaker 3: of faith. Number two, it's a virtue signal. It shows
Speaker 3: just how self righteous they think they are. You know,
Speaker 3: as I was walking down the halls of the Capitol today,
Speaker 3: one very prominent Democrat senator was walking along with his
Speaker 3: N ninety five mask and behind him was his staffer
Speaker 3: wearing his N ninety five mask. And it shows virtue.
Speaker 3: But number three, it's about control. And this is all
Speaker 3: about controlling people, whether it's mask mandates, whether it's vaccine mandates,
Speaker 3: whether it's having the four hundred and thirty seventh booster.
Speaker 3: Enough is enough is enough? This is crap and no,
Speaker 3: look I recognize. And by the way, a year for
Speaker 3: now we are going to see the most deadly COVID
Speaker 3: variant ever seen, the election variant. And before the election,
Speaker 3: it's they're going to need to shut everything down because
Speaker 3: they want to have mail in balloting for everyone because
Speaker 3: they think it helps elect Democrats. Enough is enough is enough.
Speaker 3: If you want to wear a damn mask, fine, but
Speaker 3: don't be a hypocrite and don't try to force other
Speaker 3: people to And all right, listen, So many of the
Speaker 3: people who listen to this podcast are conservatives, but some
Speaker 3: are not, some are open minded. Someone to hear both sides.
Speaker 3: So maybe you think, all right, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: trust crews. I'm not going to trust Ferguson on this,
Speaker 3: all right. If you don't trust me, listen to CNN
Speaker 3: Left Wing CNN confronting doctor Fauci this past weekend about
Speaker 3: his false claims about masks. Give a listen.
Speaker 11: There is a perception out there by many how many
Speaker 11: I don't know, that they don't work, and that the
Speaker 11: data concludes that they didn't work in the first go round.
Speaker 11: Respond to that on masks, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well that's not so.
Speaker 12: I mean, when you're talking about at the population level,
Speaker 12: that the data are less strong than knowing that. If
Speaker 12: you look on a situation as an individual protecting themselves
Speaker 12: or protecting them from spreading it, there's no doubt that
Speaker 12: masks work. Different studies give different percentages of advantage of
Speaker 12: wearing it, but there's no doubt that the weight of
Speaker 12: the studies, and there have been many studies indicate the
Speaker 12: benefit of wearing masks.
Speaker 11: I'm going to refer to one of them. You've heard
Speaker 11: about it before. I heard about it from a number
Speaker 11: of radio callers. Brett Stevens in The Times talked about
Speaker 11: Cochrane put that on the screen. The most rigorous and
Speaker 11: comprehensive analysis of scientific studies conducted on the efficacy of
Speaker 11: masks for reducing the spread of respiratory illness including COVID
Speaker 11: nineteen was published last month. Its conclusions, said Tom Jefferson,
Speaker 11: the Oxford epidemiologist who is the lead author, were unambiguous.
Speaker 11: There is just no evidence that say masks make any difference,
Speaker 11: he told the journalist Mayen Demasi.
Speaker 2: Full stop.
Speaker 4: But wait, hold on, what about the N ninety.
Speaker 11: Five masks as opposed to the lower quality surgical or
Speaker 11: cloth masks. Makes no difference, none of it, He said, Well,
Speaker 11: what about the studies that initially persuaded policymakers to impose
Speaker 11: mask mandates. They were convinced by non randomized studies, flawed
Speaker 11: observational studies. How do we get beyond that finding of
Speaker 11: that particular review.
Speaker 12: Yeah, but there are other studies, Michael, that show at
Speaker 12: an individual level, for individual, when you're talking about the
Speaker 12: effect on the epidemic or the pandemic as a whole,
Speaker 12: the data are less strong. But when you talk about
Speaker 12: as an individual basis of someone protecting themselves or protecting
Speaker 12: themselves from spreading it to others. There's no doubt that
Speaker 12: there are many studies that show that there is an
Speaker 12: advantage when you took at the broad population level, like
Speaker 12: the Cockman study, the data are less firm with regard
Speaker 12: to the effect on the overall pandemic. But we're not
Speaker 12: talking about that.
Speaker 4: We're talking about.
Speaker 12: An individual's effect on their own safety. That's a bit
Speaker 12: different than the broad population love.
Speaker 1: I mean, you hear him there, and even he's being
Speaker 1: questioned Fauci by a guy who's not conservative at CNN,
Speaker 1: and it's for ConA. She's like, well, hold on, I'll
Speaker 1: read for you what they say. And yet Fauci is
Speaker 1: still sitting their center saying, no, no, these things work.
Speaker 1: You're somehow still wrong.
Speaker 3: Well, look two things. Number one, Fauci himself knows what
Speaker 3: he's saying is wrong. And if you go back to
Speaker 3: the beginning of COVID February fifth, twenty twenty, Sylvia Burwell,
Speaker 3: who was the Secretary of Health and Human Services for
Speaker 3: three years under Barack Obama, emailed Fauci and asks ask
Speaker 3: if she should wear a mask. And by the way,
Speaker 3: his whole defense was well individually, it makes sense, just
Speaker 3: not for society. Here's what Fauci wrote on February fifth,
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty. Quote Masks are not are really for
Speaker 3: infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people
Speaker 3: who are not infected, rather than protecting uninfected people from
Speaker 3: acquiring infection. Fauci continues, the typical mask you behind the
Speaker 3: drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus,
Speaker 3: which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however,
Speaker 3: provide some slight benefit to keep out gross droplets if
Speaker 3: someone costs or sneezes on you. And he added quote,
Speaker 3: I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly
Speaker 3: since you are going to a very low risk location.
Speaker 3: That's what he said in twenty twenty. Then he decided
Speaker 3: that it was politically beneficial to mandate that everyone had
Speaker 3: to wear a mask. And yet now look the second
Speaker 3: point I'd make, the fact that CNN is turning on
Speaker 3: this in the height of the pandemic. The words that
Speaker 3: you just played from CNN, they would not utter. There
Speaker 3: was no brooking descent from whatever Saint Fauci said. Whatever
Speaker 3: the mandate was, masks today, not Mass tomorrow, Mass the
Speaker 3: next day, you couldn't disagree. The fact that even CNN
Speaker 3: is turning, I think is significant. I think if the
Speaker 3: Biden administration tries another round of shutdowns and mask mandates,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the country is going to
Speaker 3: say no, and hell no. I'll tell you the state
Speaker 3: of Texas has zero interest in shutting down.
Speaker 12: And I.
Speaker 3: Think you're going to see resistance, not just in Texas
Speaker 3: but all over the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you're right.
Speaker 1: And the other thing that worries many people is this
Speaker 1: the president and this idea that we could go back
Speaker 1: into some sort of government shutdown. There was that awkward
Speaker 1: interview that he did with Kamala Harris, far away from
Speaker 1: the social distancing back in the early days of COVID
Speaker 1: in his administration, sitting next to you know, far away
Speaker 1: from David Muiror's interviewing them in a weird triangle, and
Speaker 1: he said he would have no problem if the scientist
Speaker 1: told him to shut down our entire economy.
Speaker 13: I would be prepared to do whatever it takes to
Speaker 13: save lives, because we can not get the country moving
Speaker 13: until we control the virus. That is the fundamental flaw
Speaker 13: of this administration's thinking to begin with. In order to
Speaker 13: keep the country running and moving and the economy growing
Speaker 13: and people employed.
Speaker 2: You have to fix the virus. You have to deal
Speaker 2: with the virus.
Speaker 4: So if the scientists say shut it down.
Speaker 2: I would shut it down.
Speaker 13: I would listen to the scientist.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's apparently still on the table. And if
Speaker 1: they bring the mass back where I mean, how far
Speaker 1: away are we from having another fall where they start
Speaker 1: shutting things down?
Speaker 2: And what should the American people do.
Speaker 3: Look, the Democrats want to shut it down, they want
Speaker 3: to impose mandates, and I got to say one of
Speaker 3: the biggest lies of that exchange is I would listen
Speaker 3: to the scientists. The only scientists that he listens to
Speaker 3: are the ones who say what he wants to hear.
Speaker 3: You know, the very last podcast we did, we did
Speaker 3: a two part episode with an interview with doctor Phil
Speaker 3: and one of the interesting things. Look, doctor Phil has
Speaker 3: been the number one daytime TV host for a decade,
Speaker 3: and he talked about how the data are that the
Speaker 3: school shutdowns from COVID cost many, many more lives than
Speaker 3: the virus would have cost. In other words, listened to
Speaker 3: the scientists. The Democrats aren't listening to the scientists because
Speaker 3: if they did, they'd look at the harm from the shutdowns.
Speaker 3: They look at the harm for businesses shut down. They'd
Speaker 3: look at the harm from churches shutdown. They'd look at
Speaker 3: the harm from school shut down, the kids who face
Speaker 3: learning loss for the rest of their life. They look
Speaker 3: at the mental health numbers that have gone up. They'd
Speaker 3: look at the kids who didn't go to school and
Speaker 3: didn't have physical wellness checks, didn't have mental health checks,
Speaker 3: didn't have daily food because for low income kids, for
Speaker 3: many of them, their principal source of food is at school.
Speaker 3: They didn't have the counselors who could observe whether kids
Speaker 3: are subject to physical abuse or sexual abuse because when
Speaker 3: they shut down schools, they sent them at home. And
Speaker 3: the data what doctor Phil told us that if you
Speaker 3: didn't listen to those two podcasts, you got to go
Speaker 3: back and listen to them. But what Phil said on
Speaker 3: this podcast was that the data show that many, many
Speaker 3: more lives were lost because of the shutdowns. But the
Speaker 3: Democrats don't want to listen to the scientists. They have
Speaker 3: a political agenda, so they'll cherry pick whatever scientists repeat
Speaker 3: the politically favored outcome that support the result they want.
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Speaker 1: you think states should be doing? Because Texas has banned
Speaker 1: the mass Manneday sins, COVID restrictions are being imposed in
Speaker 1: other states. It was a Newsweek headline this as a
Speaker 1: ban on COVID nineteen restrictions and imposed a mandate to
Speaker 1: wear a face mask in public spaces. When to affect
Speaker 1: in Texas after a number of institutions across the US
Speaker 1: reinstaid the policy do to a rise in new infections
Speaker 1: fueled by the emergence of two.
Speaker 2: New variants of the virus.
Speaker 1: Now that's the GISTs of this, but Texas is saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we're going to stand up to this type of insanity.
Speaker 1: Do other people need to be calling their legislators and
Speaker 1: asking for the same thing.
Speaker 3: Look absolutely yes, listen. States need to embrace common sense.
Speaker 3: States need to defend liberty. States need to defend individual choice.
Speaker 3: If someone wants to wear a mask, knock yourself out.
Speaker 3: You can still you know, I flew from Texas to
Speaker 3: DC today, there were still a handful of people in
Speaker 3: the airport that choose to wear a mask. Okay, if
Speaker 3: you want to wear a mask, that's fine. You got
Speaker 3: an individual choice. You can wear a ski mask if
Speaker 3: you want.
Speaker 4: That's your choice.
Speaker 3: But government shouldn't be forcing people to wear a mask.
Speaker 3: Airlines shouldn't be forcing people to make wear a mask.
Speaker 3: Airport shouldn't be forcing people to wear a mask. Restaurants
Speaker 3: shouldn't be at forcing people to wear a mask. Nobody
Speaker 3: should be forcing anyone to wear a mask. And even
Speaker 3: more so, governors and states need to say not just no,
Speaker 3: but hell no to the shutdowns. We will look back
Speaker 3: in the future. Years in the future, we will look
Speaker 3: back and say, what in the hell did America do?
Speaker 3: Shutting much of the country down for a year or more,
Speaker 3: many parts of the country, almost all Democrat parts of
Speaker 3: the country, shut businesses down, shut churches down, shut schools down.
Speaker 3: Many schools tens of millions of kids were out of
Speaker 3: school for over a year, and the consequence was cataclysmic.
Speaker 3: It is, without exaggeration, the most catastrophic public policy decision
Speaker 3: of our lifetimes. And so states need to say we're
Speaker 3: not going down that road again. No, we're not going
Speaker 3: to do it. Look, you know the school shutdowns were bad.
Speaker 3: When Randy Weinngarten, the head of one of the big
Speaker 3: teachers unions, is now suddenly claiming I wasn't for school shutdowns,
Speaker 3: despite the fact that she fought relentlessly for school shutdowns
Speaker 3: and caused Democratic politicians to jump on a string when
Speaker 3: she demanded it. Now even she's running away from it,
Speaker 3: States need to stand up and say we're not shutting
Speaker 3: anything down. Look, if there's another public health crisis, and
Speaker 3: at some point there will be, protect people who are vulnerable,
Speaker 3: work to provide treatment options, give people advice on how
Speaker 3: to keep safe, but respect their individual liberty, and don't
Speaker 3: engage in arbitrary shutdowns and mandates. The mandates are wrong.
Speaker 3: Say no to the mandates.
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