1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Welcome its Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you. 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Hope you had a great Labor Day weekend with your 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: family and friends and center. We've got a lot to 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: talk about, including some shocking new news that deals with 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: a Comer subpoena of majorcis the Secret Service over a 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: tip off of the twenty twenty Hunter Biden tax probe interview. 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: Now, I want you to remind. 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: People about this because this is something we've gone in 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: depth with Comber on on this show. We did that 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: two part series with him. James Comer talked about how 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: interesting this was that there was a tip off that 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: you would actually let people know in advance of what 13 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: you were trying to gain from them when it comes 14 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: to an investigation. 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 3: Well, this is something we've discussed at length on Verdict, 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: which is the allegations from two separate whistleblowers senior career 17 00:00:54,800 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 3: IRS employees, that the Biden Justice Department the Biden administration 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 3: were in effect obstructing justice, that they were blocking for 19 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 3: Hunter Biden, they were preventing any investigation of Joe Biden. 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 3: One of the aspects of it is when the investigators 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: wanted to go and interview Hunter Biden. Now that's a 22 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 3: typical part of an investigation. You go and try and 23 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 3: interview the target of the investigation and see if, frankly, 24 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 3: they'll say something dumb. Well, in this instance, unfortunately, in 25 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 3: the Biden administration, the political higher ups at the Department 26 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 3: of Justice, allegedly according the whistleblowers, gave a heads up 27 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 3: to the Secret Service and said, hey, these guys want 28 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 3: to investigate Hunter and enabled him to prepare. They also 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: gave heads up to Hunter's lawyers when they wanted to 30 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 3: execute a search warrant on finding documents and evidence of 31 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 3: criminal activity. And so what has happened this week is 32 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: is that James Comber and the Housesentatives has subpoena the 33 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,559 Speaker 3: Department of Homeland Security and they're seeking documents. They're also 34 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 3: seeking depositions. So there were totally six subpoenas sent on Tuesday, 35 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: one directed at Secretary of Mayorcus for documents and the 36 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: remaining five for depositions, two to Secret Service officials and 37 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 3: three to DHS officials. So right now, these subpoenas are 38 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 3: not seeking to question Mayorcus directly, but rather people that 39 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: report to Mayorcus. But the entire focus of it is 40 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 3: to what extent is the Biden administration blocking using government 41 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 3: resources to protect Hunter Biden. And remember, the critical question 42 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 3: is to protect Joe Biden from investigation. And this is 43 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 3: yet another example of the only source of this investigation 44 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: going forward being the Republican House of Representatives because the 45 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 3: Democrat Senate has zero interest in finding out what happened 46 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 3: and whether or not Joe Biden has taken bribes from 47 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: foreign nationals, and most of the corporate media likewise has 48 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: no interest. So it is the House or Representatives that's 49 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: driving this forward, and they're doing it even more so 50 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: this week. 51 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: I wanted to pew it here. 52 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: This is how this news broke and it's not shocking, 53 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: but it certainly is going to be significant. 54 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 4: So breaking news to. 55 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 3: Tell you about here. 56 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 5: Foxnews dot Com has just discovered that the Chairman of 57 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 5: the House Oversight Committee, James Comer, has subpoena the DHS 58 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 5: Secretary Alhandra Majorcas and several other DHS and Secret Service 59 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 5: officials wanting testimony related to the Secret services alleged tip 60 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 5: off of the Biden transition team regarding a planned one 61 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 5: Hunter Biden tax probe interview back in twenty twenty, also 62 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 5: accusing the agencies of obstruction of the congressional investigation. Six 63 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 5: subpoenas in total were sent out, one directed to Mayorcis 64 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 5: for documents and five for depositions due to Secret Service officials, 65 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 5: and three to DHS officials. Comer told Fox News Digital quote, 66 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 5: the Department of Justice initiated the Biden family cover up, 67 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 5: and now DHS, under the leadership of Secretary may Orcus 68 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 5: is complicit in it. 69 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 4: He went on to say investigators. 70 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 5: Were never able to interview Hunter Biden during the criminal 71 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 5: investigation because Secret Service headquarters and the Biden transition team 72 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 5: were tipped off about the planned interview. 73 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: We'll keep following this. I love how they broke this story. 74 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: So my next question is if you were getting to 75 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: ask the question centers, what would you want to know 76 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: and what would you ask if you're on the House 77 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: side and these people are able to be brought in, 78 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: and what would you hope those answers would be from 79 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: them if they are actually truthful. 80 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 3: Well, look, the central question here is to what extent 81 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: did the Biden administration engage in obstruction of justice? To 82 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: what extent did they block the criminal investigation into the 83 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: misconduct of Hunter Biden and more importantly Joe Biden. We've 84 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 3: got multiple whistleblowers that allege they did so considerably. Here's 85 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 3: what I think is going to play out. 86 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 4: Ben. 87 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 3: I think we're going to see the House of Representatives 88 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: in peach Alejandro Mayorcus. That's something, as you know, I've 89 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 3: been calling for for almost the entirety of the Biden administration. 90 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: I think Mayorcus has presided over the worst disaster at 91 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 3: our southern border in our nation's history. I think he 92 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: is responsible very directly for implementing Joe Biden and Kamala 93 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 3: Harris's directives that have produced body bag after body bag 94 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 3: that have produced chaos and misery and suffering and death, 95 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 3: and that has been utterly lawless. I think that will happen. 96 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 3: Number one. Number two, I think what should happen, But 97 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: frankly I'm less confident that it will happen. Is I 98 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: think the House ought to pursue the impeachment of Merrick Garland. 99 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 3: That I think the serious, credible allegations of obstruction of 100 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: justice and of lying under oath under Merrick Garland, they 101 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 3: merit a special council being appointed in the Department of Justice. 102 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: They also merit the House of Representatives opening an impeachment 103 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 3: inquiry to Merrick Garland that I'm less confident that they 104 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 3: will go forward with than I am about Alejandro Majorcas. 105 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: I think the pressure on going after Mayorcus is greater 106 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 3: on fortunately, than the pressure on going after Merrick Garland. 107 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 3: The third thing that I think the House will do 108 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: is formally open an impeachment inquiry on Joe Biden. At 109 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: this point, the evidence that Joe Biden personally solicited and 110 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 3: received bribes from foreign nationals, whether it is Ukrainian ola garks, 111 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 3: or Russian oligarchs or senior Chinese communist officials, that evidence 112 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: is considerable. It's not proven conclusively, but at this point 113 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 3: the weight of the evidence is such that I think 114 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 3: the only responsible thing for the House to do is 115 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 3: open an impeachment inquiry. To do so, we'll take a 116 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: full vote on the floor of the House. I think 117 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: we'll get that vote, and I think the Speaker of 118 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 3: the House, Kevin McCarthy, wants that inquiry to open up. Now, 119 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: I'll tell you one of the real consequences if and 120 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 3: when the House opens an impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden. 121 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: It is going to increase dramatically the likelihood that we 122 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 3: will get access to this some five four hundred emails 123 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 3: that Joe Biden sent using fake email addresses, using pseudonyms, 124 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: and those include emails sent to his son, Hunter Biden, 125 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 3: who is not and was not a federal government employee. 126 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 3: That those include emails that allegedly concern Ukraine, while Hunter 127 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: Biden was getting paid millions of dollars from corrupt Ukrainian 128 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 3: oligarchs in order to try to secure favors from his father. 129 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 3: And the reason that opening an impeachment inquiry into Joe 130 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 3: Biden is so important is right now, the House is 131 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: seeking access to those five four hundred emails from the 132 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: National Archives, and the National Archives is following a statute 133 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: called the Presidential Records Act, and so in order to 134 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: hand those emails over, the National Archives needs the permission 135 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 3: of Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Now I'm going to 136 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: quantify right now the precise statistical likelihood that Barack Obama 137 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 3: and Joe Biden will give permission to hand over those emails. 138 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: That exact likelihood is zero point zero zero percent. They're 139 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 3: not going to do so. Actually, Biden gets asked twice. 140 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 3: He gets asked both as the former vice president and 141 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 3: as the current president, so he can say no twice. Now, 142 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 3: why does an impeachment inquiry of Joe Biden matter? It 143 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 3: matters because, under the terms of the Presidential Records Act, 144 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: special access to presidential records is allowed to Congress quote 145 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: to the extent of matter within its jurisdiction, to any 146 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 3: committee if such records contain information that is needed for 147 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: the conduct of its business that is not otherwise available. So, 148 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 3: in other words, if and when the House formally votes 149 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: to open an impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden, it suddenly 150 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 3: has explicit statutory authorization to get access to all five 151 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: thousand and four hundred of those emails from Joe Biden's 152 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 3: fake email addresses. And again, as we've discussed on this 153 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 3: podcast many times, there is no legitimate reason for Joe 154 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 3: Biden to have fake email addresses. 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The reason why you can 191 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: see it is on the Sunday morning shows. Congressman Conna wrote, 192 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: Kona had this to say when he was talking with 193 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: one of those guys that hates, obviously, Donald Trump, Jim Acosta, 194 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: on CNN about the evidence to go after impeachment. 195 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 6: Listen, and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy says Republicans could soon 196 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 6: vote on a formal impeachment query and to President Biden 197 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 6: something obviously the former president has pressed Republicans to do 198 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 6: on truth social What do you make of this is 199 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 6: this a serious threat. We're going to be talking about 200 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 6: impeachment here in the coming months. 201 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: What's going on. 202 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 7: Unfortunately, I think it is a serious threat from the extremes. 203 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 7: But this is not what the American people want. This 204 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 7: is not what Republicans or Democrats and my constituency are 205 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 7: asking for, and there is no evidence to justify it. 206 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 7: So I think what people want is to solve their issues, childcare, 207 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 7: the fact that the rents cost too much, the fact 208 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 7: that wages haven't kept up with the cost of living. 209 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 7: That's what they want us to do in Congress, and 210 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 7: I think it would be a political mistake for the 211 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 7: speaker to go down that road. 212 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you hear that saying there's no evidence justify 213 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: by an impeachment. This is actually when I know that 214 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: there's a good chance the Democrats are fearful of what 215 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: we could find out through impeachment. 216 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 3: Well, one of the things that's striking Jim Acosta is 217 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 3: such a propaganda puppet joke. You notice his question. His 218 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 3: question does not discuss any facts, It doesn't discuss any evidence. 219 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: He says, my god, do you think Democrats will dare 220 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 3: do this? 221 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: Oh? 222 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 3: My goodness, of rather Republicans, Will they dare come after us? Like, 223 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: that's not a journalist? And what does he do? He 224 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 3: lets the Democrat congressman say, well, there's no evidence. Really, 225 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 3: What as a text from Hunter Biden to a senior 226 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 3: communist Chinese official saying I'm sitting next to my father, 227 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 3: pay me millions of dollars or my father will retaliate 228 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: against you. You know what that is? That is called evidence. 229 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: So the statement there is no evidence is blatantly false. 230 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 3: But if Jim Acosta were a reporter, he would point 231 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 3: that out. What about the evidence of not one, but 232 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: two career IRS employees, senior supervisory officials at the IRS, 233 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 3: who came forward, and they're not Republicans, they're probably Democrats 234 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: who came forward and said, we've seen obstruction of justice 235 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: and lying under oath. This administration is covering up investigation 236 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 3: of Joe Biden's criminality. Is that not evidence? What about 237 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 3: a confidential human source coming forward saying Joe Biden and 238 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 3: Hunter Biden solicited and received five million dollars a peach 239 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 3: a piece from a foreign oligarch. Now none of those 240 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 3: perhaps conclusively prove bribery, but it is absurd to say 241 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 3: they are no evidence on their face their evidence, And 242 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: if CNN had even a tiny sentilla of journalistic integrity, 243 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 3: number one, they'd fired Jim Acosta because he's a clown. 244 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: But number two, they would actually talk about facts rather 245 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 3: than clutching their pearls and say, how dare anyone inquire 246 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: into dear leader Sata? 247 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: This goes perfectly by the way to your point that 248 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: you just made. And for many that may not have 249 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: seen this. The Washington Post Philip Bomp, who's a raging liberal, 250 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: walked out on an interview when he was asked a 251 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: tough question and it's supposed to be a journalist asked 252 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: a tough question about Joe Biden and the Biden crime family. 253 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 2: Take a listen, may what. 254 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 8: Do you take from the text message to his adult 255 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 8: daughter hundred techiz, I had to give fifty percent of 256 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 8: my income to pop. 257 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 4: I have no idea what that means. I don't. I 258 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 4: have no idea what that means. 259 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 9: It's I know, it's circumstantial evidence, and you prefer that 260 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 9: what what could? 261 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 4: I have no idea? But doesn't it don't know? Well, 262 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 4: I appreciate your has anybody has anybody asked her? I 263 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 4: don't know, I don't know. 264 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 8: Don't you think somebody should ask her? 265 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 4: Okay, like I'm not. 266 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 9: I just said I don't know, and I don't know 267 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 9: what to make of it, so I have nothing say 268 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 9: about it. 269 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it doesn't want to say. 270 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you say there's no evident evidence. 271 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 8: But then there's a text message where he says, I 272 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 8: give pop fifty cent of my money. 273 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 2: That's that's evidence. 274 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 4: Okay, well, okay, fine, fine, so evidence. I appreciate your 275 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 4: having me on. 276 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: It doesn't that something like that? 277 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 4: Who do you think me more? 278 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: I lived at that. 279 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 9: I'm saying you can figure. I don't I feel you 280 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 9: want me to leave? Like just walk out in the 281 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 9: middle of this. You can that way you can? 282 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 8: You can go? 283 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 4: Is this a standard? 284 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 5: Really? 285 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 8: This is the way the Washington Post handles people who disagree. 286 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 9: With one I agree to be on for forty five minutes, 287 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 9: and then they get on for an hour and fifteen. 288 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 4: Yet that after a while I go go, thanks, man? 289 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: Is't it amazing the timing there? 290 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: Oh? I gotta go, gotta go right now, right can't 291 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: answer that question. You're trying to get me to just 292 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: look like I'm walking off the set. No, he's trying 293 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: to give him to answer a question. 294 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 3: So, all right, number one, the person questioning him is 295 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 3: a guy named Nome Dwarman, who it's he's on a 296 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 3: podcast and he's not a conservative. H No, Dorman is 297 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 3: actually a liberal. He's the owner of comedy Seller. And 298 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 3: so I'm sure Philip Bump figured, Okay, Philip Bump is 299 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 3: this left wing hack for the Washington Post. I'm sure 300 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 3: he thought, Okay, I'm going to be in a little 301 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: love fest. No one's gonna ask me anything hard. And 302 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 3: Philip Bump used his entire job as being the apologist 303 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 3: for the regime. So when when Dwarman asks him about 304 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 3: the text message of Hunter expressing frustration that he has 305 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 3: to give half of what he makes to Pop, notice, 306 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 3: but Bumps, I don't know what it means. I don't 307 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 3: know what it means. And then okay, you don't know 308 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 3: what it means. That's not complicated, it's not subtle, it's 309 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 3: not difficult to figure out. And then he says, it's 310 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 3: circumstantial evidence. Mister Bump, you are using words you do 311 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 3: not know what they mean. What does the word circumstantial means? No, Actually, 312 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 3: it is direct evidence. It is direct evidence. It is 313 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 3: the statement from Hunter saying he gave fifty percent of 314 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: his money to Pop. That is direct evidence. Circumstantial is 315 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 3: he has twice as much money one day and then 316 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 3: he goes to see his dad and the next day 317 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: he has half as much. That would be circumstantial evidence 318 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 3: that he gave Pop half the money. When he says 319 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 3: I had to give Pop half the money, that is 320 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 3: direct evidence. It may not be true, could be telling 321 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: something that is false, but it is not, in fact, 322 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 3: circumstantial evidence. And if you actually listen to more of 323 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,719 Speaker 3: that interview. In fact, let me read from the transcript 324 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 3: of this interview. So Bump gets very upset when he's 325 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 3: being pressed, and he says, quote, I just I'm gonna 326 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,479 Speaker 3: lose my mind. I'm gonna lose my mind. And Dorman 327 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 3: presses him and asks, quote, is there nothing we can 328 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 3: talk about half the country believes this stuff. Bump comes 329 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 3: back with quote, I know because half the country doesn't 330 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 3: actually dig into the issues. Dwarman then press says, well, 331 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 3: here's your chance to disabuse people they don't read the 332 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:10,479 Speaker 3: Washington Post. And Bump comes back and says, there's just 333 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 3: no point because all you want to do is have me, 334 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 3: here is the putative expert. So you can present me 335 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 3: with things that have been debunked multiple times that I've 336 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 3: written about. Dorman asks a very reasonable question, what's been debunked, Bump, 337 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 3: these claims I've written about this, this argument about his 338 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 3: dad calling him, I've written about this. Did you read 339 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 3: what I wrote? Dorman says, it's not debunked. Neither of 340 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 3: us were there. 341 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 4: Bump, Well, I've debunked it. 342 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 3: In the standpoint that I've already addressed this and presented 343 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 3: the counter arguments to it. I want you to pause 344 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 3: for a second and think, in the view of the 345 00:18:53,240 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 3: Washington Post, debunked means he's addressed it and presented the 346 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 3: counter arguments to it. In other words, if he repeats 347 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 3: the talking points of the Biden regime, it's been debunked. 348 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 3: The fact that there are counter arguments doesn't mean it's debunked. 349 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 3: It means he's simply arguing the other side. And then 350 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 3: Bump goes on, and here's what he says. He says well, 351 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 3: Dowrman says, quote, I have two issues here. One is 352 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 3: Joe Biden's behavior, and one is the issue of the press. 353 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 3: The press actually bothers me more than Joe Biden. Mind you, 354 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 3: this is a Democrat saying this. And here's Bump's response, quote, 355 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 3: because you don't listen to the press. I'm sitting here 356 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 3: and I'm telling you you're wrong about these things, and 357 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: you don't listen, and you continue to insist upon things 358 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 3: that are you know, parsing of language. It's just it's 359 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 3: it's this. This is why I keep saying it's silly. 360 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 3: Dowarman says, well, it's a shame because this is a 361 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 3: good conversation, and Bump says, it's not a good comp 362 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 3: because you refuse to listen to what I'm saying to you. 363 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 3: You asked me on to present evidence, I keep telling you. 364 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 3: Dorman then comes back and says, well, what about what 365 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 3: independent journalist Matt Tabee has reported? And Bump says what, no, No, 366 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 3: Tybee has an agenda, And Dorman asked, well, do you 367 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 3: have an agenda? And Bump admits, and listen to this, 368 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 3: listen to his explanation. Bump says, quote, I do have 369 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 3: an agenda. My agenda is to do my best to 370 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 3: try and present accurate information to the public, and I 371 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 3: have an institution behind me to hold me to account 372 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: when I don't do that, which I think is an 373 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 3: important consideration. It really is stunning that number one, when 374 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: confronted with facts, a supposed journalist doesn't actually address those facts. 375 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 3: When confronted with evidence, he doesn't address the evidence. In fact, 376 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 3: he denies the evidence exists. And he claims that because 377 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 3: he has parroted the talking points of the White House, 378 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 3: even when contradicts or even when contrary to objective facts. 379 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 3: That means claims have been debunked. This is why journalism 380 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 3: is corrupted. You know, it's striking. The Washington Post its 381 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,719 Speaker 3: motto is democracy dies in darkness. I gotta say today 382 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 3: the Washington Post that motto has become a mission statement. 383 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 3: It seems like their objective is to kill democracy by 384 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 3: ensuring on darkness in every circumstance. 385 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: One other thing that I do have to laugh about 386 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: it when he acts like he has an institution behind him. 387 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: That's like, you know, checking on him as he described 388 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: it right with like you know, I've held a higher standard. 389 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: This is the same Washington Post. 390 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: To be clear, that still has not at least to 391 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: my knowledge, is of a week or two ago when 392 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: we were talking about this has still not updated and 393 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: in fact checked their own reporting on Russia collusion with 394 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: Donald Jerry Trump, which they now know is a lie. 395 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 3: Well, not only that one of the leading Russia Russia 396 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 3: Russia cheerleaders was Philip Bump. He was eager to say 397 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 3: over and over and over again things that now have 398 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 3: been debunked, that are now completely false. He was completely 399 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 3: taken in by the so called p tape that we 400 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 3: know was paid for by the DNC and the Hillary 401 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 3: Clinton campaign and is false. 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We were talking 442 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: about the lies and they seem to be coming back. 443 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 2: Now. 444 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: Why now is now letting everybody know that Joe Biden 445 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: is going to start wearing a mask indoors. This after 446 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: Joe Biden has come down with COVID. Even though Joe 447 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: Biden has tested negative for COVID yesterday and the day 448 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: before the day before that. 449 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 10: President Biden tested negative last night for COVID nineteen and 450 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 10: tested negative again today. He's not experiencing any symptoms. As 451 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 10: far as the steps he's taking, since the President was 452 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 10: with the First Lady yesterday, he will be masking while 453 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 10: indoors and around people in alignment with CDC guidance, and 454 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 10: as as has been the practice in the past, the 455 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 10: President will remove his mask when sufficiently distanced from other 456 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 10: indoors and while outside as well. 457 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: Now the funny part is Cenator. This is said from 458 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: the podium at the White House. Moments later, the President 459 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: is on stage and ceremony, he's not the appropriate distance 460 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: of the White House is appropriate from other people. 461 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 2: And then he takes his mask off. 462 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: That they just said to everybody, who's gonna be wearing 463 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: if he's in closed quarters with a lot of different people. 464 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: And you add that in with a DC area elementary school, 465 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: Montgomery County, Maryland is now reinstating a mass mandate. And 466 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: the mass man isn't just for those little masks, No, No, 467 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: n ninety five masks for all their third graders. Because 468 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: a few kids tested positive for COVID. They send out 469 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: a letter telling parents that these, these masks, these in 470 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: ninety five masks are going to be mandated in class. 471 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: These masks, they say, have been distributed and students and 472 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: staff and identified classes and or activities will be required 473 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: to mask while in school for at least the next 474 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: ten days, except of course, while eating and drinking, and 475 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: the mask will become optional, they claim. After the quote 476 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: outbreak has dissipated, here it is mask mandates coming back. 477 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 3: Look, this is utterly absurd. Mask mandates are wrong, and 478 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 3: for the Left, this has become a it's a combination 479 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 3: of a number of things. Number one, it's an article 480 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 3: of faith. Number two, it's a virtue signal. It shows 481 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 3: just how self righteous they think they are. You know, 482 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 3: as I was walking down the halls of the Capitol today, 483 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 3: one very prominent Democrat senator was walking along with his 484 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 3: N ninety five mask and behind him was his staffer 485 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 3: wearing his N ninety five mask. And it shows virtue. 486 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 3: But number three, it's about control. And this is all 487 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 3: about controlling people, whether it's mask mandates, whether it's vaccine mandates, 488 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 3: whether it's having the four hundred and thirty seventh booster. 489 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 3: Enough is enough is enough? This is crap and no, 490 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 3: look I recognize. And by the way, a year for 491 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 3: now we are going to see the most deadly COVID 492 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 3: variant ever seen, the election variant. And before the election, 493 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 3: it's they're going to need to shut everything down because 494 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 3: they want to have mail in balloting for everyone because 495 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 3: they think it helps elect Democrats. Enough is enough is enough. 496 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 3: If you want to wear a damn mask, fine, but 497 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 3: don't be a hypocrite and don't try to force other 498 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 3: people to And all right, listen, So many of the 499 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: people who listen to this podcast are conservatives, but some 500 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 3: are not, some are open minded. Someone to hear both sides. 501 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 3: So maybe you think, all right, I'm not going to 502 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 3: trust crews. I'm not going to trust Ferguson on this, 503 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 3: all right. If you don't trust me, listen to CNN 504 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 3: Left Wing CNN confronting doctor Fauci this past weekend about 505 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 3: his false claims about masks. Give a listen. 506 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 11: There is a perception out there by many how many 507 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 11: I don't know, that they don't work, and that the 508 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 11: data concludes that they didn't work in the first go round. 509 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 11: Respond to that on masks, Yeah. 510 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 4: Well that's not so. 511 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 12: I mean, when you're talking about at the population level, 512 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 12: that the data are less strong than knowing that. If 513 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 12: you look on a situation as an individual protecting themselves 514 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 12: or protecting them from spreading it, there's no doubt that 515 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 12: masks work. Different studies give different percentages of advantage of 516 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 12: wearing it, but there's no doubt that the weight of 517 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 12: the studies, and there have been many studies indicate the 518 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 12: benefit of wearing masks. 519 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 11: I'm going to refer to one of them. You've heard 520 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 11: about it before. I heard about it from a number 521 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 11: of radio callers. Brett Stevens in The Times talked about 522 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 11: Cochrane put that on the screen. The most rigorous and 523 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 11: comprehensive analysis of scientific studies conducted on the efficacy of 524 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 11: masks for reducing the spread of respiratory illness including COVID 525 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 11: nineteen was published last month. Its conclusions, said Tom Jefferson, 526 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 11: the Oxford epidemiologist who is the lead author, were unambiguous. 527 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 11: There is just no evidence that say masks make any difference, 528 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 11: he told the journalist Mayen Demasi. 529 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: Full stop. 530 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 4: But wait, hold on, what about the N ninety. 531 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 11: Five masks as opposed to the lower quality surgical or 532 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 11: cloth masks. Makes no difference, none of it, He said, Well, 533 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 11: what about the studies that initially persuaded policymakers to impose 534 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 11: mask mandates. They were convinced by non randomized studies, flawed 535 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,959 Speaker 11: observational studies. How do we get beyond that finding of 536 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 11: that particular review. 537 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 12: Yeah, but there are other studies, Michael, that show at 538 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 12: an individual level, for individual, when you're talking about the 539 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 12: effect on the epidemic or the pandemic as a whole, 540 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 12: the data are less strong. But when you talk about 541 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 12: as an individual basis of someone protecting themselves or protecting 542 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 12: themselves from spreading it to others. There's no doubt that 543 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 12: there are many studies that show that there is an 544 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 12: advantage when you took at the broad population level, like 545 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 12: the Cockman study, the data are less firm with regard 546 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 12: to the effect on the overall pandemic. But we're not 547 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 12: talking about that. 548 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 4: We're talking about. 549 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 12: An individual's effect on their own safety. That's a bit 550 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 12: different than the broad population love. 551 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you hear him there, and even he's being 552 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: questioned Fauci by a guy who's not conservative at CNN, 553 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: and it's for ConA. She's like, well, hold on, I'll 554 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: read for you what they say. And yet Fauci is 555 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: still sitting their center saying, no, no, these things work. 556 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: You're somehow still wrong. 557 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 3: Well, look two things. Number one, Fauci himself knows what 558 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 3: he's saying is wrong. And if you go back to 559 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 3: the beginning of COVID February fifth, twenty twenty, Sylvia Burwell, 560 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 3: who was the Secretary of Health and Human Services for 561 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 3: three years under Barack Obama, emailed Fauci and asks ask 562 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 3: if she should wear a mask. And by the way, 563 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 3: his whole defense was well individually, it makes sense, just 564 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 3: not for society. Here's what Fauci wrote on February fifth, 565 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty. Quote Masks are not are really for 566 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 3: infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people 567 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 3: who are not infected, rather than protecting uninfected people from 568 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 3: acquiring infection. Fauci continues, the typical mask you behind the 569 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 3: drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, 570 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 3: which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, 571 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 3: provide some slight benefit to keep out gross droplets if 572 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 3: someone costs or sneezes on you. And he added quote, 573 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 3: I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly 574 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 3: since you are going to a very low risk location. 575 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,959 Speaker 3: That's what he said in twenty twenty. Then he decided 576 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 3: that it was politically beneficial to mandate that everyone had 577 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 3: to wear a mask. And yet now look the second 578 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 3: point I'd make, the fact that CNN is turning on 579 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 3: this in the height of the pandemic. The words that 580 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 3: you just played from CNN, they would not utter. There 581 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 3: was no brooking descent from whatever Saint Fauci said. Whatever 582 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 3: the mandate was, masks today, not Mass tomorrow, Mass the 583 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 3: next day, you couldn't disagree. The fact that even CNN 584 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 3: is turning, I think is significant. I think if the 585 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 3: Biden administration tries another round of shutdowns and mask mandates, 586 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 3: I think a lot of the country is going to 587 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 3: say no, and hell no. I'll tell you the state 588 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 3: of Texas has zero interest in shutting down. 589 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 12: And I. 590 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 3: Think you're going to see resistance, not just in Texas 591 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 3: but all over the country. 592 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you're right. 593 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: And the other thing that worries many people is this 594 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: the president and this idea that we could go back 595 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: into some sort of government shutdown. There was that awkward 596 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: interview that he did with Kamala Harris, far away from 597 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: the social distancing back in the early days of COVID 598 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: in his administration, sitting next to you know, far away 599 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: from David Muiror's interviewing them in a weird triangle, and 600 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: he said he would have no problem if the scientist 601 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: told him to shut down our entire economy. 602 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 13: I would be prepared to do whatever it takes to 603 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,479 Speaker 13: save lives, because we can not get the country moving 604 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 13: until we control the virus. That is the fundamental flaw 605 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 13: of this administration's thinking to begin with. In order to 606 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 13: keep the country running and moving and the economy growing 607 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 13: and people employed. 608 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 2: You have to fix the virus. You have to deal 609 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 2: with the virus. 610 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 4: So if the scientists say shut it down. 611 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 2: I would shut it down. 612 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 13: I would listen to the scientist. 613 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's apparently still on the table. And if 614 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: they bring the mass back where I mean, how far 615 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: away are we from having another fall where they start 616 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: shutting things down? 617 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 2: And what should the American people do. 618 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 3: Look, the Democrats want to shut it down, they want 619 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 3: to impose mandates, and I got to say one of 620 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 3: the biggest lies of that exchange is I would listen 621 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 3: to the scientists. The only scientists that he listens to 622 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 3: are the ones who say what he wants to hear. 623 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 3: You know, the very last podcast we did, we did 624 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 3: a two part episode with an interview with doctor Phil 625 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 3: and one of the interesting things. Look, doctor Phil has 626 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 3: been the number one daytime TV host for a decade, 627 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 3: and he talked about how the data are that the 628 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 3: school shutdowns from COVID cost many, many more lives than 629 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 3: the virus would have cost. In other words, listened to 630 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 3: the scientists. The Democrats aren't listening to the scientists because 631 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 3: if they did, they'd look at the harm from the shutdowns. 632 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 3: They look at the harm for businesses shut down. They'd 633 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 3: look at the harm from churches shutdown. They'd look at 634 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 3: the harm from school shut down, the kids who face 635 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 3: learning loss for the rest of their life. They look 636 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 3: at the mental health numbers that have gone up. They'd 637 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 3: look at the kids who didn't go to school and 638 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 3: didn't have physical wellness checks, didn't have mental health checks, 639 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 3: didn't have daily food because for low income kids, for 640 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 3: many of them, their principal source of food is at school. 641 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 3: They didn't have the counselors who could observe whether kids 642 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 3: are subject to physical abuse or sexual abuse because when 643 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 3: they shut down schools, they sent them at home. And 644 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 3: the data what doctor Phil told us that if you 645 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 3: didn't listen to those two podcasts, you got to go 646 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 3: back and listen to them. 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When to affect 686 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,760 Speaker 1: in Texas after a number of institutions across the US 687 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: reinstaid the policy do to a rise in new infections 688 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: fueled by the emergence of two. 689 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 2: New variants of the virus. 690 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: Now that's the GISTs of this, but Texas is saying, hey, 691 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,879 Speaker 1: we're going to stand up to this type of insanity. 692 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: Do other people need to be calling their legislators and 693 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:30,919 Speaker 1: asking for the same thing. 694 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 3: Look absolutely yes, listen. States need to embrace common sense. 695 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,320 Speaker 3: States need to defend liberty. States need to defend individual choice. 696 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 3: If someone wants to wear a mask, knock yourself out. 697 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 3: You can still you know, I flew from Texas to 698 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 3: DC today, there were still a handful of people in 699 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 3: the airport that choose to wear a mask. Okay, if 700 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 3: you want to wear a mask, that's fine. You got 701 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 3: an individual choice. You can wear a ski mask if 702 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:56,479 Speaker 3: you want. 703 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 4: That's your choice. 704 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 3: But government shouldn't be forcing people to wear a mask. 705 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 3: Airlines shouldn't be forcing people to make wear a mask. 706 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 3: Airport shouldn't be forcing people to wear a mask. Restaurants 707 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,760 Speaker 3: shouldn't be at forcing people to wear a mask. Nobody 708 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 3: should be forcing anyone to wear a mask. And even 709 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 3: more so, governors and states need to say not just no, 710 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 3: but hell no to the shutdowns. We will look back 711 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 3: in the future. Years in the future, we will look 712 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 3: back and say, what in the hell did America do? 713 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 3: Shutting much of the country down for a year or more, 714 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 3: many parts of the country, almost all Democrat parts of 715 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 3: the country, shut businesses down, shut churches down, shut schools down. 716 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 3: Many schools tens of millions of kids were out of 717 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 3: school for over a year, and the consequence was cataclysmic. 718 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 3: It is, without exaggeration, the most catastrophic public policy decision 719 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 3: of our lifetimes. And so states need to say we're 720 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 3: not going down that road again. No, we're not going 721 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 3: to do it. Look, you know the school shutdowns were bad. 722 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 3: When Randy Weinngarten, the head of one of the big 723 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 3: teachers unions, is now suddenly claiming I wasn't for school shutdowns, 724 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 3: despite the fact that she fought relentlessly for school shutdowns 725 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 3: and caused Democratic politicians to jump on a string when 726 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 3: she demanded it. Now even she's running away from it, 727 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 3: States need to stand up and say we're not shutting 728 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 3: anything down. Look, if there's another public health crisis, and 729 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 3: at some point there will be, protect people who are vulnerable, 730 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 3: work to provide treatment options, give people advice on how 731 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 3: to keep safe, but respect their individual liberty, and don't 732 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 3: engage in arbitrary shutdowns and mandates. The mandates are wrong. 733 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 3: Say no to the mandates. 734 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, great point. The Center is always going to be 735 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: back with you after the holiday. Don't forget if you 736 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: missed her two part series with doctor Phil makes you 737 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: go back and listen to that, and also, as you know, 738 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: hit that subscribe auto download button. We do this show Monday, 739 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 1: Wednesday and Fridays, and in between those days make sure 740 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: you download my podcast, Ben Ferguson Podcasts. I will keep 741 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: you updated on my podcast and those in between days 742 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,919 Speaker 1: as well, So download the Ben Ferguson Podcasts as well. 743 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: We'll see you back here in a couple of days.