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Speaker 1: You were two weeks about Drive on your twenty four

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Speaker 1: to seven home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation. It's the Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network. Weshooler and Matt Williamson with you here on

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Speaker 2: this Wednesday, as we have got plenty to get into

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Speaker 2: as we get closer and closer to wild card weekend.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Matthew? How are you not too shabby?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Where it's a midweek point here, start thinking Texans And.

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Speaker 2: It's a weird Wednesday though.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's a real weird Wednesday, because right there's no.

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Speaker 2: Practice, no practice. We're still kind of off the back

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Speaker 2: of like the holiday season and getting back into a

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Speaker 2: regular room, right, and then no game this weekend. The

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Speaker 2: game's not until Monday. It's just it's a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a weird timeline here. But we're happy to happy

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Speaker 2: to still be doing there, like.

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Speaker 3: Black Monday stuff, and you know, coach news everywhere and

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Speaker 3: draft orders official and like there's things happening that for

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Speaker 3: the teams that aren't good, you know, let alone all

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Speaker 3: the playoff.

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Speaker 2: Action completely agree with you.

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Speaker 3: College football stuff tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: College football started starting tomorrow. Ty Simpson, the Alabama quarterback

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Speaker 2: ye plaring his intention to enter the NFL Draft earlier today.

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Speaker 2: But Matt, the news of the day that I think

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Speaker 2: we have to start with before we get into a

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Speaker 2: lot of other different topics throughout these two hours is

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Speaker 2: the firing, the dismissal of John Harbaugh by the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 2: Right around the time that our show was wrapping up

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Speaker 2: yesterday was when this news broke. It's funny how that

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Speaker 2: works sometimes, Yeah, happens all the time. And wow, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think we all knew that this was a possibility,

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Speaker 2: but to see it transpire, to see the second longest

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Speaker 2: it felt like Harbaugh, you know, was one of those

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Speaker 2: guys who was going to be in Baltimore for a

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Speaker 2: long time, and he was he was. Yeah, and the decision,

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Speaker 2: I don't think is some shocking one, but it's still surprising,

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Speaker 2: the finality when it comes across the timeline.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it seemed to like it was a little

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Speaker 3: harsh too. It didn't seem like they were like we're

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Speaker 3: gonna they can phrase things and make it look we're

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Speaker 3: gonna part ways. I mean it's basically like we just

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Speaker 3: fired cart By. Yeah. I mean that's the feeling I got.

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Speaker 2: They didn't try and sugarcoated.

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Speaker 3: No, not at all. And since then there's been a

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Speaker 3: lot of reports which totally adds up that many teams

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Speaker 3: are interested. I think the Giants make a ton of sense.

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Speaker 2: I think I was gonna say I would try and

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Speaker 2: hire him today if I were the gi.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, I think the Raven's job is clearly the

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Speaker 3: best one available to I think there's what seven or

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Speaker 3: eight out there.

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Speaker 2: That was going to be my follow up? Yeah that

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Speaker 2: does this now become the most attractive of all the vacancies,

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 3: I mean mostly because of Lamar, but also because obviously

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Speaker 3: the organization is patient with their coaches. The AFC North

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Speaker 3: isn't quite as scary as it used to be. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the of the vacant coaching jobs, this is probably the

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Speaker 3: only one that I could ever think might win their

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Speaker 3: division next year. I mean maybe Atlanta because that division

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Speaker 3: is so bad, but like you really got a squint

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Speaker 3: for the Raiders Tennessee Giants to win their division.

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Speaker 2: Tennessee was going to be the one because that division

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Speaker 2: feels like it's so up and down on year, but

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Speaker 2: you're but you're right. The Ravens are obviously the clear

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Speaker 2: cut favorite. Maybe the Falcons as they were just.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they have the most wins of their tie.

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Speaker 2: You know, the tie breaker allowed Carolina to win it

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Speaker 3: At least what you're saying, immediate success, I guess is

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Speaker 3: one way of putting it. Yeah, so yeah, it's definitely

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Speaker 3: number one. The way I understand it went down, and

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Speaker 3: nobody really ever knows on these things, is I guess

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Speaker 3: Lamar and or ownership wanted Monkin out the offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: That's what That's what yeah, was being reported.

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Speaker 3: And Harbaugh's like, no, it's not his fault at all

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Speaker 3: that this season good didn't go to plan. I couldn't

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they don't get along personally or

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Speaker 3: if there is anything to that. I mean, I definitely

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Speaker 3: think it came down to somewhat of a Lamar versus

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Speaker 3: it's just the way it goes. Yeah, I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: easier to replace the other guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, it's much harder to find a unicorn

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a handful of good head coaches in this league.

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Speaker 2: There's four or five at a level maybe, yes, you.

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Speaker 3: Know we're talking about Jared Goff, you know.

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Speaker 2: Right right, and yeah, and so the messaging was surprising

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Speaker 3: And in the messaging I thought was surprising.

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Speaker 2: Another thing that stood out to me. And I don't know,

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Speaker 2: you could tell me if I'm reading too much into this,

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Speaker 2: but when when things like this happen, I'm a millennial,

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Speaker 2: okay hmm. So the first thing I do is run

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Speaker 2: to see the reaction on social media. And Matt, I

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Speaker 2: don't have to tell you this. You know, if if

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Speaker 2: the shoe was on the other foot and Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 3: Right right right, all the obvious parallels there, you know, all.

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Speaker 2: The Cam Haywards and t J. Watts and Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: would be rushing to their social media to post about

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Speaker 2: how much they love Mike Tomlin and they're sorry it

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Speaker 2: ended this way and they wish them all the best.

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Speaker 3: Yes, let alone players that from years past, I mean

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Speaker 3: Ben or you know maybe guys.

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Speaker 2: I went on Lamar Jackson and Zay Flowers and Marlon

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Speaker 2: Humphreys and all those guys social media, and none of

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Speaker 2: them were posting about Harbaugh. In fact, they were all like,

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Speaker 2: were playing video games tonight, Like that's what they're instagram

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Speaker 2: So who's linking up for some for some call of duty?

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Speaker 2: To see that?

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Speaker 3: Like not?

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Speaker 2: That was a little telling to me. Yeah, is because again,

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Speaker 2: you know, if if Mike Tomlin were to be fired

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Speaker 2: but there would be dozens of current players taking to

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Speaker 2: social media being like, I'm sorry it ended this way,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And there was radio silence or social media silence in

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Speaker 2: But again maybe points to what you were suggesting that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you look at some of the greatest

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Speaker 3: coaches have had of all time, their last couple of

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Speaker 3: I mean, there is a shelf life with a lot

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Speaker 3: of dudes. But with Harbaugh, I mean, his really only

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Speaker 3: crime is just not winning a Super Bowl with the

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Speaker 2: And that's gotten far. I mean, and that's what this

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Speaker 2: has all come down to. Yeah, they have finally said,

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Speaker 2: all right, he's not going to get us over the hump.

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Speaker 2: Let's see if we can find somebody who can. Which

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Speaker 2: is wild to me, Matt, I get it. But if

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Speaker 2: you if you look at the last two years, specifically,

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Speaker 2: when I think the window is really wide open for Baltimore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Last year Mark Andrews drops a pitch pass, yes, that

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Speaker 2: he catches a million times out of a million? Is

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Speaker 2: that Jim Harbos's fault? The year before, they're hosting the

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Speaker 2: Chiefs in the AFC Championship Game, Zay Flowers about to

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Speaker 2: score a touchdown that would have made it a three

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Speaker 2: point game. Yeah, and he fumbles the ball at the

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Speaker 2: goal line exactly the year before that. The year before that,

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Speaker 2: they're in Cincinnati to twelve and four teams with Tyler

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Speaker 2: three things John Harbaugh's fault? Is it John Harbos's fault?

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Speaker 2: Mark Andrews didn't make that catch that he makes a

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Speaker 2: hundred times out of a hundred? Is it John Harbaugh's

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Speaker 2: fault at Zay Flowers and and Tyler Huntley didn't secure

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Speaker 2: to score a touchdown? Like, Yeah, I get it, it's

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Speaker 2: a it's a cutthroat business in a game of inches.

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Speaker 2: But I I don't know ways to go out. I

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Speaker 2: would obviously take the side of Lamar if I was

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Speaker 2: what's his name, Steve Biscotti, stevemy whatever his name is,

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Speaker 2: the owner of the Ravens. But I I don't. I

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Speaker 2: think there's a high probability that this one comes back

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Speaker 2: people have been making the Andy Reid Eagles comparison like, hey,

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Speaker 2: Andy Reid left, they both won super Bowls.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's possible, man, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. For Baltimore, I think they might regret

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Speaker 3: I can see that too. A couple of things though,

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Speaker 3: like sometimes your own success hurts because expectations were so

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Speaker 3: hot totally. I mean, I picked the Ravens to be

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Speaker 3: my super Bowl champions. Ye didn't, and so many people.

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Speaker 2: Did, and so in that scope of things, it was

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Speaker 2: a colossal failure for them. They didn't even make the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: I'd say this this season was a colossal failure for them.

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't just because Lamar's injuries. I think both

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Speaker 3: lines discrimmage aren't particularly good. You know, maybe I misjudged that.

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Speaker 3: They misjudge that, But I mean, if expectations are were

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Speaker 3: super Bowl type of team and you don't even make

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Speaker 3: the postseason, finished with a losing record, yeah, that's hard

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Speaker 3: to swallow. They also have quite the history that can't

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Speaker 3: be flukey of blowing leads total total really bad.

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Speaker 2: And that's what all the people of the last couple

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Speaker 2: of years they have had. They've had stretches of blowing

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Speaker 2: leads without a doubt and some big moments that it's

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Speaker 2: hard to excuse, but I just that seems to be

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Speaker 2: the weighted you know what, what was kind of put

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Speaker 2: him on the chopping block. And I get again, I

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Speaker 2: get it, but I.

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Speaker 3: I time to wear out. You're welcoming a new message

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Speaker 3: is great. I mean I get that totally thing.

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Speaker 2: Too, totally, But like if Mark Andrews catches that ball

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Speaker 2: last year, is he still have a job this year?

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Speaker 2: If Zay Flowers doesn't fumble at the goal line against

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs and they end up going to the Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl two years ago, so they still have his job now,

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Speaker 2: and then he'd be he'd be the emperor there and

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Speaker 2: would be able to retire whenever he wants.

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Speaker 3: But another way too, that that hurts Harbor. That isn't

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Speaker 3: his fault is Chicago, Jacksonville.

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Speaker 2: That's true, means it.

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Speaker 3: Changes Yeah, even v Abel, you know, I know he's

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Speaker 3: our first year hey coach, but like, well there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of success for and they're gonna get their pick

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Speaker 3: of the coach too. If there's one guy out there

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Speaker 4: This might be the best I've felt about the Steamer's

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Speaker 4: They they have been very, very good. They have created

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Speaker 4: game obviously as well. But I'm not as concerned about Ramsey.

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Speaker 4: Douggar's play has definitely been a little bit more alarming

436
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Speaker 4: to me. I do know this isn't like breaking news

437
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 4: or anything, because there's not really anything to break. But

438
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Speaker 4: Deshaun Elliott has been around the facility more often lately

439
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Speaker 4: than I've seen him in a long time.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

441
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Speaker 4: And he's walking around without any help, like no breaks,

442
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Speaker 4: no crutches. I'm not saying he's he's ready to go

443
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Speaker 4: out there and play him money night. I don't think

444
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Speaker 4: that's happening. Yeah, yeah, But if the Steelers can win

445
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Speaker 4: on Monday Night and possibility go wherever they need to

446
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Speaker 4: go and win in the divisional round, I'd love to

447
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Speaker 4: see if Deshaun Ellien could possibly make it back for

448
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 4: like an AC championship type thing because I like to

449
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Speaker 4: see this defense, but to Shawn Elliott and the Jaalen

450
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Speaker 4: Ramsey back there, because that, to me is a lot

451
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Speaker 4: more intrigued because we know what Shawn Elliott brings. But

452
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Speaker 4: for the time being, I think Kyle Duggar is still

453
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Speaker 4: the guy that you have to go with, but he's

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Speaker 4: gonna stay better.

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Speaker 2: Chris, last one I've got for you. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we've buried the league because we haven't really talked

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Speaker 2: much about this guy, Matt and I this week. But

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Speaker 2: the return of DK Metcalf, what do you expect that

459
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Speaker 2: to mean for this offense, for Aaron Rodgers, for the

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Speaker 2: wide receivers, for the run game. It's the it's the

461
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Speaker 2: exact right time you want to be getting a guy

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Speaker 2: like this back against a defense like the Houston Texans have.

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Speaker 3: And that's similar to what I was going to ask

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Speaker 3: to let you off the hook here too, is how

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Speaker 3: do you think the distribution outside of Metcalf works at

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Speaker 3: the wide receiver position.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think I'll start with the return of Metcalf

468
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Speaker 4: comes at a great time because now you have your

469
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Speaker 4: you have all your weapons that you need. And while

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Speaker 4: the Houston defense is very, very good, and you can

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Speaker 4: make a really good argument that this is the best

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Speaker 4: defense in the NFL, they've been giving up explosive places

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Speaker 4: through the air more frequently, and Tamiko Ryan's talked about

474
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Speaker 4: that on Monday. They've given up four passes of forty

475
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Speaker 4: plus yards of the past three weeks. That's a lot,

476
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Speaker 4: and they've been doing it against their cover four, cover

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Speaker 4: six like with that like you know, one of them

478
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Speaker 4: was against like a cover one where sham psych and

479
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Speaker 4: just drew up a great design that loured the deep

480
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Speaker 4: safety down and then there's a post that out Pierce

481
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Speaker 4: ran over the top, and it was just it was

482
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Speaker 4: a really really great design play by by side can

483
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Speaker 4: put if they're so I look at that and I'm like, wow, Well,

484
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Speaker 4: if there's a way to take the top off the

485
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Speaker 4: Houston defense, you're gonna need all you can get. And well,

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Speaker 4: DK Metcapster best guy to do that.

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Speaker 3: And then if you.

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Speaker 4: Also put Mark Marcus all the scandling up there on

489
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Speaker 4: the other side, now you've got two guys who can

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Speaker 4: help take the take the top off of the defense.

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Speaker 4: And if they over commit to that, because now they're

492
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Speaker 4: trying to make sure that doesn't happen, then might maybe

493
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Speaker 4: they let some things underneath go a little bit too soft.

494
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Speaker 4: Maybe that opens things up for Pat Fryer Moods a

495
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Speaker 4: little bit more. Maybe that things opens things up for

496
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Speaker 4: Adam Feelin or you know, other guys are the running

497
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Speaker 4: back checkdown game. How many yards after the catch did

498
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Speaker 4: Shalen Warren and Kenneth Gainwell have against the Ravens? Like so,

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Speaker 4: I when it comes to the distribution along with get

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Speaker 4: that cap back. I'm curious to see, like if they're

501
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Speaker 4: gonna smell blood in the water and try to test

502
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Speaker 4: the Texans deep and to see if the Texans almost

503
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Speaker 4: try to overcorrect to fix that and then turn up

504
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Speaker 4: and then see that and be like, all right, well,

505
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Speaker 4: then we can just take everything underneath and just get

506
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Speaker 4: a whole bunch of yours after the catch, just like

507
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Speaker 4: wee against Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: Great stuff as always with our buddy Chris Hallick DK

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Sports. Chris, thank you for taking the time, buddy,

510
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Speaker 2: and we will talk to you soon.

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Speaker 3: Awesome. Thanks for having me, guys. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: You know it. There he goes my pleasure like I

513
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Speaker 2: work at Chick fil A. Our buddy Chris Halleck. Great stuff,

514
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Speaker 2: good conversation with him as always, and a lot to

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Speaker 2: chew one as we get ready for Monday night. Yeah,

516
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Speaker 2: I was like, we haven't talked much about DK metcalf

517
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Speaker 2: here yet, and it's when, Yeah, and we will. We'll

518
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Speaker 2: do a lot of matchup stuff and really starting tomorrow

519
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: we'll have a little bit of college football playoff talk.

520
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Speaker 2: But then other than that, it's going to be Textans

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Speaker 2: tex Texans Texans. Yeah, and I'm excited to get there.

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Speaker 3: They're pretty good. They I've dug in pretty heavy.

523
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Speaker 2: Second best rushing defense in the league, sixth, best passing

524
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Speaker 2: defense in the league, first overall in terms of yards

525
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Speaker 2: per game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's the best defense in the league.

527
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Speaker 3: There's two or three there in the same league, but

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Speaker 3: I think it's number one.

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Speaker 2: Giving up thirteen rushing touchdowns the entire year. Yeah, I

530
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Speaker 2: think is the number I saw earlier today when I

531
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Speaker 2: was doing a little research as well. In seventeen games.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty stinking good. But Matt to close down the

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Speaker 2: first hour and we return on the other side. Actually,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I'll let you do a little dealer's choice,

535
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Speaker 2: all right, you want to talk about quarterback playoff quarterback

536
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Speaker 2: rankings and where Aaron Rodgers fits in? Or do you

537
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Speaker 2: want to go NFL awards now that the season is

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Speaker 2: in the books.

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Speaker 3: Surprise me. I'm gonna go get a coffee when we

540
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Speaker 3: can get into it when I get back.

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Speaker 2: A little a little voodoo, a little magic, a little uh,

542
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Speaker 2: we'll see what card comes up on the poker table

543
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Speaker 2: here coin when we return on the other side, yu'ler Williamson.

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Speaker 2: How about that for a pease on the drive on

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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network, your teams.

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Speaker 1: About drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Goal, Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Back on the drive here to close down the first

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Speaker 2: hour of the program, and Matt, let's talk a little

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six NFL Playoff quarterback rankings.

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Speaker 3: Baby out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fourteen of those guys they.

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Speaker 3: Go one to fourteen? Are we going one to seven

554
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Speaker 3: in each conference?

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Speaker 2: Now? That's a good question.

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Speaker 3: How I think that's by conference?

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Speaker 2: You want to do it by conference?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I think that's good. I like that. Actually

560
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Speaker 2: you want to start you want to do this power

561
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Speaker 2: ranking style where we start from the back or do

562
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Speaker 2: you want to do it at the at the valedictorian

563
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Speaker 2: and from the top.

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Speaker 3: I might need some help from you as a a

565
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Speaker 3: little bit of a admin assistant here. We might have

566
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Speaker 3: to like play a little bit of the name game,

567
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Speaker 3: you know, like pretty your love party. Yeah, and you

568
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Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, like, so let's start in

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Speaker 3: the NFC.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of there's a lot of those in

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Speaker 2: this like this is a fun converse. It always is

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Speaker 2: I think the top I think the top guy in

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Speaker 2: each conference Josh Allen and Matt Stafford is pretty iron class.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say that, but after.

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Speaker 2: That, I think you could make a real good faith

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Speaker 2: argument a lot of different ways.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so, NFC, I think Young is seven, correct.

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Speaker 2: I so I did my list one through fourteen just

579
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Speaker 2: to be safe, but I have Bryce Young four. I'd

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Speaker 2: have him seven out of seven or fourteen out of fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, yeah, so I'm really pulling this off out

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Speaker 3: of thin air. So let's do the five in between

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Speaker 3: on the NFC.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that is.

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Speaker 3: Who Perdy Perky?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, love Caleb Williams, Sam Darnold, and who am I missing? Hurts? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, I'm going love number one of that group. Okay,

589
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Speaker 3: he hasn't been great lately, but he's had a really

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Speaker 3: good year.

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Speaker 2: I also have him. I had him number two in

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Speaker 2: the NFC on my list.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think I'm a hurdy next. It's come a

594
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Speaker 3: long way for me. I'm pardy.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, don't tell me we're going to agree on

596
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Speaker 2: all this and make for boring radio.

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Speaker 3: Matt, Now, who's that leave? Caleb Hurts? Donald Hurts, Donald's

598
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Speaker 3: last of that group.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is rough. So here's what here's what I've

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Speaker 2: got to give you a second contemplate. Stafford won for

601
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Speaker 2: the NFC. Stafford one, Love two, Party three, Caleb Williams four,

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Speaker 2: Donald five, Hurts six, Bryce Young seven. But as I'm

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Speaker 2: saying that out loud, I might be a little too

604
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Speaker 2: hard on Hurts. Maybe I should swap him with Donald.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a Hurts guy.

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Speaker 2: I'm not either, but he's good.

607
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Speaker 3: In the playoffs. He's good in the super Bowl. I

608
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: mean they scheme around him in a bad way so

609
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Speaker 3: much more. But like him verse, Caleb Williams is totally

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Speaker 3: one is what you value exactly exactly.

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Speaker 2: I think it's same with Party in Caleb Williams because we.

612
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Speaker 3: Like feeling the playoff experience.

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Speaker 2: But Party has been to a lot of big things,

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Speaker 2: and he's played in the super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: And I'll be honest, I'm looking through that a little

616
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Speaker 3: bit of a playoff lens here. You know, not might

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Speaker 3: start my team with next year. I mean I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: I need to win three or four games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right now, you know I might care about the opponents.

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Speaker 3: I think i'd rather play against Hurts than Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Yes, he's gonna go lay to frame it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So six is either going to be Donald or

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Speaker 3: Hurts for me.

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Speaker 2: That's that's so we both agree. Bryce Young seventh, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Stafford Love one and two, so it really party three yep.

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Speaker 2: And so it really comes down to Caleb, Williams, Darnald

627
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Speaker 2: and Hurts. How you do those three?

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Speaker 3: And I think I'm put them in that order.

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Speaker 2: Williams, Donald Hurts, That's what I have. Are you going,

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Speaker 2: Donald Williams Hurts?

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Speaker 3: No. Yeah, So we talked myself down and down on her.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we have the same order for the NFC. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's a little anti climactic, but I like it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't agree much. I mean, that's what's the chances?

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Speaker 2: What's the chances? With you? Love? Love and Williams were

636
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: probably the hardest ones to rank for me.

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Speaker 3: Williams, I just need to been there, done at factor

638
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: exactly right, as with Donald does there's three or four

639
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: plays a game where you go, what are you thinking

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Speaker 3: on that one?

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Speaker 2: Correct? Like I do more of that for Jalen Hurts

642
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Speaker 2: lately too.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean the Hurt stuff is boy, I

644
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Speaker 3: mean if this was week ten, he'd be easily low.

645
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Speaker 3: But the fact that he has such playoff success, he's

646
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Speaker 3: got a ring on his finger that matters. But man,

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Speaker 3: they he's not a well rounded quarterback and they got

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Speaker 3: to do a lot to make it work with him.

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Speaker 2: All right, So we will go for the.

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Speaker 3: NFC way harder, way harder.

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Speaker 2: Stafford Love Party, Caleb Williams, Sam Donald, Jalen Hurts, Bryce Young.

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Speaker 2: We agreed as our second yea for the NFC. Do

653
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Speaker 2: you want me to go first again for the AFC?

654
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: Give you a second to think. Allen's one, no doubt,

655
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: and Bo Nicks last.

656
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: Let's run through them again, Okay, Rogers Knicks.

657
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: Rogers Knicks, Lawrence May, Herbert Shroud, Josh.

658
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 3: Allen Nix is last. Yes, but he's way better than

659
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: Brayce Young. Yes, yeah, yes.

660
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: But like when I when I put this fourteen together,

661
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: the first thing I did was right Allen at one,

662
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: Stafford it to Bryce Young at fourteen. That's the first

663
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Speaker 2: thing I did when I put this list.

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Speaker 3: I do power ranks and stuff too. A lot of

665
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 3: times I work from both ends the candle.

666
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: But then the next one I might the next one

667
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Speaker 2: I might have done was bow Knicks at thirteen. Now,

668
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: to think about it, I could see that, but I

669
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: think that was the next one I wrote in. But yes,

670
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Speaker 2: I think Josh Allen number one, bo Nicks number seven

671
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: if we're talking just AFC. So that leaves us five

672
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: guys once again, five to pick from. Stroud, Rogers, Lawrence May, Herbert,

673
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Speaker 2: Herbert's my two.

674
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Speaker 3: Same. Oh look at us, Maver's Aaron Rodgers. I'm not

675
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Speaker 3: even saying there. That's that's who I'm contemplating for three.

676
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: But you talk about different worlds. I mean it's hilarious.

677
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: I mean the body of work and how they play.

678
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: Now and all that twenty years apart in age.

679
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. But Herbert's my two. I think May is

680
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: my three.

681
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: That's what I have as well.

682
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: He's gonna win the MVP or close to it.

683
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that next hour.

684
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Maybe he's the biggest playoff choker ever. And I'm

685
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: sure some people are saying Herbert's a playoff choker. I

686
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: don't buy that either.

687
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: I don't buy that either. But I'm also giving him

688
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: a ton of credit for what he's done with that

689
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: offense and that team. You look at all of their metrics,

690
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: and they're towards the bottom half of the league, but

691
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: he's got them with what like eleven wins and in

692
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: the playoffs, no offensive line.

693
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Speaker 3: And he's a little more established than you or than May.

694
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: Both of his top two running backs were out almost

695
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Speaker 2: the entire season.

696
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: So we're now we've agreed and everything so far, so far,

697
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 3: so good. It's Rogers, Stroud, Lawrence.

698
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: We're trying to rank, yes, for what would be positioned four, five,

699
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Speaker 2: six in the AFC.

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Speaker 3: Lawrence is definitely playing the best of that group recently

701
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: agreed and in last month six.

702
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: Weeks and he's been lighting it up.

703
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 3: Now did some as mentioned, I've done a lot of

704
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: Texans homework, building Matt stats, et cetera. Stroud since he

705
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Speaker 3: came back from concussion in week thirteen, has been really

706
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: good too. I mean it's been the best. Unfortunately Steeler fans,

707
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: he's playing the best he has all year.

708
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's a good way to put it.

709
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Speaker 3: Hmmm. Rogers is the hardest guy to rank in the

710
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: whole list though, agreed, not because we're Steelers, it's just.

711
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Speaker 2: I think Rogers and maybe Jalen Hurts are the two

712
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: hardest stories. Yeah, because what Jalen Hurts has done the

713
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 2: last couple of years in the postseason, and just who

714
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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is overall, albeit knowing that he hasn't been

715
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Speaker 2: to the playoffs in five years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, four years. I mean, Lawrence is hard to trust.

717
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 3: I mean it's people out there like you're getting too

718
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: ahead of yourself on Lawrence. I like Stroud, I know

719
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 3: I like Stroud and Lawrence more than many people do.

720
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Speaker 2: I have not been high on Lawrence at most points,

721
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: but if you look at the way he's played the

722
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Speaker 2: last two months.

723
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Speaker 3: It's really strong.

724
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Speaker 2: It's really strong. It's maybe the best quarterback play in

725
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 2: the league over the last two months.

726
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go Lawrence Stroud Rogers.

727
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: Okay, we finally have our first disagreement, but just a

728
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: little bit. I went Lawrence Rogers.

729
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 3: Stroud Okay. And really the only thing that holds Rogers

730
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Speaker 3: back is just athleticism. Playmaker. You know, when the play

731
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Speaker 3: breaks down stuff.

732
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Speaker 2: Yes, and we've seen a lot of that from Lawrence lately.

733
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: The play breaks down and he'll run for a couple

734
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Speaker 2: of touchdowns a game. And that's just that's the one

735
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Speaker 2: element that Rogers doesn't really have in his in his

736
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: legs anymore, they go a long way, especially this time

737
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Speaker 2: of year.

738
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Speaker 3: Now, he avoids those problems better than anybody too, he

739
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: sure does. And if it is one game to advance

740
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 3: you on, which is kind of our criteria, I trust

741
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 3: him above the neck as much as anybody, if not more.

742
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: You know. So I had Rogers and that sounds like

743
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, he's a declining skill set. I mean

744
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: he can still what's a lot.

745
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: What's weird though, is I had Rogers fifth out of

746
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: seven in the AFC, but I have him sixth overall.

747
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 3: I was just saying, I wonder if we mesh these,

748
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: I would still have Rogers over her.

749
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Speaker 2: So let me give you so we basically fully agree

750
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: on our NFC and only one spot.

751
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, now we have him tiered the same too, So.

752
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: Let me give you my top fourteen overall. Now yea,

753
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: and chew on that for a second and let me

754
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: know what you think. One Josh Allen to Matthew Stafford,

755
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 2: as I've already laid.

756
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: Out for that's pretty easy.

757
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: Three Herbert four May five, Lawrence six, Aaron Rodgers seven,

758
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: Jordan Love eight, Brock Party nine, c. J. Stroud ten

759
00:36:54,120 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams eleven, Darnold twelve, Hurts thirteen Knicks four team

760
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: Bryce Young. Real close, as I'm thinking this out loud,

761
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Speaker 2: I might swap Darnald and Hurts at the eleven twelve spot.

762
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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't. I might have Love a little higher,

763
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 3: but it's kind of a bad taste your mouth lately

764
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: because he hasn't played. I'm probably a little higher on

765
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Speaker 3: Stroud than that.

766
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: I thought that was the one where we'd be different.

767
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: I'm a big Stroud believer, and as you mentioned, he's

768
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: played very well the last last month and a half.

769
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's had a lot of stints where he

770
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 3: doesn't much around him, you know, in terms of blocking

771
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: in a run game and things like that too. But

772
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 3: he does have a defense. That's That's a tough exercise,

773
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: it is, really is.

774
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: It really comes down to how do you value experience

775
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 2: versus current form?

776
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

777
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: Because May has never been to the playoffs before Herbert

778
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: Williams Cal Williams never been to the playoffs.

779
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 3: Before Herbert talented players.

780
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: Herbert's only been a couple of times and hasn't won

781
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: a game yet. Lawrence has only been a couple times

782
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 2: and has only won one game.

783
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: How many of those guys have rings?

784
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: Stafford Rogers, Rogers hurts, that's it. He's been to the

785
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: dance party, has been to the dance and that's it.

786
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 3: That's it. He gets it.

787
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: That's I mean, it's it's a very tough group to

788
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: evaluate in that regard.

789
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: It is. It's a very tough I mean, especially without

790
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 3: mahomes lamar Borough. You know, like some of the guys

791
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: were used.

792
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 2: To that would clearly be high on the list.

793
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, they'd have Brady and you know, I mean,

794
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: guys of recent memory that have been out there.

795
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: A lot, and even someone like Jared Goff who's been

796
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 2: to the playoffs a bunch recently.

797
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, there's more to go off of.

798
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: There's there's just more to go off of. That's the

799
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: biggest question. With guys like May and even the Lawrences

800
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 2: and the Herberts and the Strouds, Caleb Williams, of course,

801
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: Bo Nicks. Of course, he's the most he might be

802
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: the most good though. He might be the most interesting

803
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: one on this list to me.

804
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: Nick, Yeah, they got the one seed.

805
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: And he's had in the in the back half of

806
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 2: the season, he's had a couple of games where he's

807
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: really looked the part. Oh yeah, yeah, he hasn't just

808
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: been a passenger.

809
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: No, no, no, he's not just a passenger.

810
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: But he's had plenty of games this year to where

811
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 2: he has just been a passenger. Yeah. That's the hardest

812
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: thing to evaluate.

813
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 3: So I think there was a misnomer and I'm guilty

814
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: of this too when he came out of school. And

815
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: now game manager is considered a nasty word, but it

816
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: shouldn't be. It's actually a massive.

817
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: Conqueror's probably only six or seven game changer quarterbacks in

818
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: the league. Yeah yeah, and then the next you know,

819
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: ten best are all game managers. But that's not a knock.

820
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 3: But when Peyton took Nicks, I think a lot of

821
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 3: people just thought, oh, he's going to be Peyton's puppet

822
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: out there. You know, it's kind of the opposite. I mean,

823
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 3: since he's been in the league, there's Peyton's kind of

824
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 3: reeling in some wild stallion moments and arm strength, running skills, strength, speed.

825
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: He's better than a lot of people think. I mean,

826
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: he is a really good athlete and has a lot

827
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 3: of tools, and I think thus has a higher ceiling

828
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: than people thought.

829
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Speaker 2: On draft ed I absolutely agree.

830
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 3: I think he's a much higher ceiling than McCarthy or Pennix,

831
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: who were drafted ahead of him, and I didn't at

832
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 3: the time.

833
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 2: I think he has a higher ceiling than Jalen Hurts.

834
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: Hurts has a higher floor, but I think he has

835
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: a higher ceiling.

836
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 3: I agree.

837
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Speaker 2: And what's really going to be interesting is the Broncos

838
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: run game is not great. That's the thing that might be.

839
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: He can't just lean on run game and defense to

840
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: win a Super Bowl.

841
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: If you listed the Broncos' biggest concern heading into the playoffs,

842
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 2: it might be their run game. How does that work

843
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: for a young quarterback who's you know, I guess they

844
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: did make the playoffs last year, but this is this

845
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: is his real first crack of like expectations and favor

846
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: and being favored in the playoffs. Yeah, the defense is good,

847
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: but maybe not as great as we thought it was

848
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: a month or two ago. That he's going to have

849
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: to play well for them to win playoff games. He's

850
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: not going to be able to just be a passenger

851
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 2: or a game manager if teams are able to take

852
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 2: away that Broncos run game, which teams have been able

853
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: to do as of late. That's a real I think

854
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 2: we'll have more concrete opinions on bow Knicks. Yea, when

855
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: whenever the Broncos postseason comes to an.

856
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 3: End, they're gonna host every game they're in. If they

857
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: end up going to the super Bowl, we're gonna be

858
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 3: like we had next way too low totally, you know

859
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 3: what I mean. So they might even be favored in

860
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: every game between now and the super Bowl. They're at

861
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: least gonna be home. They're the one seed. I don't

862
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: know if they will be or not. The Bills could

863
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: get hot in the answer and be a favor or whatever,

864
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 3: and we might be like, oh, Nix is potentially a

865
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: super Bowl winning quarterback and is one of the driving

866
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 3: forces why they're in that position. I don't think that's crazy.

867
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 3: His stock might be the one that could move the most.

868
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: Or Caleb Williams, Yeah, yeah, if Caleb Williams dices up

869
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 2: the Packers, Yeah, and then say the Bears go to Philly.

870
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: Or somewhere or wherever it would be, and when.

871
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: And when we could be singing a like Caleb Williams

872
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: is like the proverbial young him and Drake May which

873
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: young quarterback would you want to build around right now

874
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: type conversation? Yeah, it's it gets interesting.

875
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: I'm sure we don't have time this segment, but as

876
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: you were talking through it, we might have to do

877
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 3: this with the defenses. I like that. I mean I

878
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 3: used to do it with like every position, but I

879
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: like that. Who cares about the running backs and things

880
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 3: like that? I mean, I think we might have to

881
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: do this sometime between now and the end of Friday.

882
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: Rank all the defenses in each side.

883
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: How about we do that tomorrow?

884
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: That sound like a play anytime you want put it.

885
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: On a I just put it on my list for tomorrow.

886
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: How about that?

887
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 3: Done deal?

888
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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody out there, you're seeing us produce the show

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Speaker 2: in real time. Welcome to the party. That's a great one.

890
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: This is This is fun though, because I read off

891
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: that list of playoff wins amongst these quarterbacks to you yesterday,

892
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: and it's like Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen, Matthew Stafford and

893
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: then a massive drop off. I mean, like parties got

894
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: a couple, you know, Stroud's got a couple, Jalen Hurts obviously,

895
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 2: But there's a when you get to the back half

896
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: of this list, there's a massive Herbert Lawrence has one.

897
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 2: One Love has never won one, Stroud has won. Caleb

898
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: has never been there before in one one? Does Darnold

899
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: have one? Maybe one? I mean it's Bonix has never

900
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: been before, or sorry, Bonnicks has been once and doesn't

901
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: have one. Bryce Young has never been before. It's gonna

902
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: be it's it's it's truly wide open in terms of

903
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: this quarterback pecking order. It's not the days where you

904
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: had Brady and Manning and Roethlisberger and Breeze, you know,

905
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: and Rogers and Rivers and fifth Yeah, yeah, yes, no chance.

906
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 3: When Matt Ryan's like eighth on this list, It's like.

907
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: Wow, Matt Ryan would be like three or four on this.

908
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: Stafford would be like fifth on the list, exactly right.

909
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: I can't Brady and Manning and exactly and.

910
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco would be like tenth on your life.

911
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah right right. So I don't feel strong about this

912
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: at all, but based off your list versus mine, you

913
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: believe the Steelers have the quarterback advantage on Monday, and

914
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 3: I don't.

915
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: I do.

916
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's ultra razor thing close. And

917
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 3: I wouldn't like put my reputation on it. But you

918
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: had stroudheaded Rogers Old Rogers ahead of the other way around.

919
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

920
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, for a one game exercise.

921
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Speaker 3: Yes, and your case is really strong. I'm having a

922
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Speaker 3: hard time defending mine.

923
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Speaker 2: And I think I like I'm a card carrying member

924
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 2: of the CJ. Stroud fan club. You and I laugh

925
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 2: about that a lot like you are. For Trevor Lawrence.

926
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Speaker 3: I always held a candle.

927
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you were on the May train earlier than

928
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Speaker 2: anybody else. I will go credit for that in perpetuity.

929
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Speaker 2: But I'm kind of like that with Stroud and Herbert.

930
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: I'm big believers in both of those cases.

931
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Speaker 3: Me too.

932
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Speaker 2: That was a fun exercise.

933
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Speaker 3: It is fun. Let's find to talk through it.

934
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Speaker 2: Let's do defenses tomorrow. Let's do NFL awards when we

935
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Speaker 2: return on the other side, talk about some more about

936
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Speaker 2: some of these guys that it relates to MVP and

937
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 2: Offensive Player of the Year and all those different things.

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Speaker 2: We'll do that to kick off our number two when

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