WEBVTT - 3. The Timeline 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:05.519 Murder on Songbird Road is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:11.280 Previously on Murder on Songbird Road. 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:13.920 I don't think she did it. 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:16.840 That's Stuart, the biological father of Jaden. 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:19.840 They've never found a weapon or if the change clothes 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.240 never made sense, still doesn't make sense. 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:27.000 If there was a magic wand waved and Julie was out, 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.880 you wouldn't have any reservation whatsoever about Jaden. 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.800 Being with her. No, she loved all her children. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:38.520 Nikki says she knows Julia extremely well, even for cousins. 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:40.600 Even the ones that she didn't give birth to. That 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.199 is one thing that she is extremely good at. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:48.280 Beverly suddenly recalled that she actually stopped at Hucks. I said, Julie, 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:49.919 you got its home, because as of right now, they're 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:51.360 trying to say you never left the house. 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:55.080 I called and asked for Carl Gustantine personally. I told 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.880 him that Julie remembered she stopped at Hucks for gas. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:00:59.840 He said, well, I'll have to hear that from her. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.240 And I said, well, she's already invoked an attorney, so 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:04.840 you have your information. And he said okay and hung 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:05.360 up the phone. 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:11.559 The video from the gas station, what did they claim 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:12.679 they'd found. 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:16.160 They got Julian camera stopping at the gas station to 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:18.880 throw away items in the same area. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:23.760 Julie is, there is a incident and this hall was 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:25.039 made at ten thirty for. 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:27.640 A suspicious person. In no way. 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:33.080 Yes, he's wearing a black hoodie and dark pants. We're 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:34.120 heading to Marian. 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:36.720 I'm here for it. I'm ready. 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:55.200 I'm Lauren bred Pacheco and this is murder on Songbird Road. 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:06.680 Julia Beverly sentencing was scheduled for Friday, October thirteenth, twenty 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:10.160 twenty three, the day before Bob Matta came down from Chicago. 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.920 I flew in through Saint Louis, Missouri, and drove the 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:14.080 two hours to Marion. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:16.840 We connected there in person for the first time. 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:19.000 Hi. 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:19.480 Hey. 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.920 In person, Mada comes across more like a slightly jaded, 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.600 tough guy than a former defense attorney. He's recording Oh 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.120 we are Yeah, I had a new kid, so it 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.200 took me a while. He's long traded ties for T shirts, 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.720 a beard and a mustache that veers more biker than 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.680 bar exam, a look much more in keeping with his 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:41.200 additional passion to law and his wife Alison music. 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:43.920 When we finally crossed paths. In Marion. 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.960 He had just met with Julia Beverly at the Williamson 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:47.600 County Jail. 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:52.079 So I get down their typical small town county jail, 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:56.400 but big structure. It's a relatively big structure. I don't know, 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:57.600 have you been into a jail. 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:02.040 Yeah, So Pinkneyville where Chris is it basically looks like 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.240 a nineteen sixties high school. 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:08.680 Yeah, this one's a little more modern. It's still probably 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:12.560 thirty years old. But for Mary in Illinois, which is 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:16.800 extremely rural down here, it was big. Clearly they have 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.600 a pretty good amount of people in there because there 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:23.440 were several blocks, and you walk in and every jail 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.440 in prison has that smell. There's no other smell like 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:27.400 a jail or a prison. 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:27.960 It's bad. 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:32.440 It's like a weird maple syrup with like combined with 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:33.239 dirty feet. 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.480 I can't say. It's kind of stress and depression. 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:39.520 Yeah, that's oll that's for certain, Like if that's if 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.200 that had a smell, that's exactly what it would smell like. 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:46.560 So I get in, give them my creds. I wanted 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:50.400 to be able to meet with her with suprivacy so 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.120 that we could have like a full discussion. 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:54.880 Since mod is still a licensed attorney, he was able 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.360 to meet with Beverly in an area that allows a 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.960 degree of privacy, as opposed to a commune visiting space, 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.600 which was conducive to the conversation he planned on having. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:06.760 So I wanted to interview her. I wanted to get 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.520 factually what her side of the story was, where it 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.240 wasn't being read through a transcript where I know obviously 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:19.000 things were not addressed, where things were inadmissible. I'm always 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.760 walking in having defended some pretty awful people in my life, 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:24.839 and I always can pride myself and be able to 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:28.479 sense if somebody seems off, I always feel like I 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.480 can pick them out. And I wasn't getting that sense 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.040 from her, you know. And I'm asking her a lot 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.240 of questions, like I wouldn't consider it to be an 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:38.960 interior Geisha, But I told her, I said, I'm going 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.640 to play Devil's advocate here. I want to pick out 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:45.000 the things that we know were issues at trial, the 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.480 things that we are going to be concerned with as 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.680 we're progressing through this. We want to address them. We 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:52.799 can't pretend that they don't exist. And I said, look, 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.080 I don't want you sugarcoating anything, Like if you and 0:04:56.160 --> 0:05:00.119 Mike were in arguments, I want to hear authentically how 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.640 they were, Like, were you guys screamers? Were you dropping 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.640 f bombs in each other? What kind of relationship was it? 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.880 I want to know, because it all matters. She was candid. 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.440 I'd start with the background. I get the history of 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.760 her and Mike, the relationship with her and Jade. 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:18.880 Matt and I both know that while friends and family 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:23.159 often paint a sympathetic picture of the accused, some questions 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.440 and doubts can only be addressed by actually sitting with 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:27.360 them face to face. 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:29.920 What was she like physically small? 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:36.040 So she's probably four to eleven diminutive, small, like not imposing. 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.000 My wife's four eleven two, so I'm used to little, 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:44.520 but she's She's little, sweet, very nice. I start from 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:48.520 the history of her and Mike from the beginning. When 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.599 did you meet? How old were the kids? Julie's got 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.960 Jaden and Mike had Jade. They were both four years 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.240 old when they met. She goes through kind of like 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.440 the backstory in terms of a cook. 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:01.159 Right, was a hostess? Yeah? 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.920 They were working at this Benny's, which is an Italian 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.760 spot that they both worked out here and Marion. In 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.040 terms of the relationship, they kind of hit it off. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.799 They both liked the fact that they had a young kid. 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:13.680 They felt that that was something that was going to 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.640 make them compatible in terms of being able to, hey, 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:18.200 you know, we're not going to go out tonight because 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:19.960 we have kids, you know, that type of thing. And 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:24.360 so they really kind of connected pretty quickly. The relationship 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:28.039 blossoms within a year, they're moving in together. I was 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.880 asking her, you know, how was your relationship with Jade. Initially, 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.360 my parents divorced when I was young, and I'm also 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:37.760 a parent of step children. I used that experiences from 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.040 me being a stepchild to like what not to do 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:43.640 in terms of being a step parent, you know, never 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.720 forcing kids to say I love you and let them 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:50.160 just develop organically their feelings for you, and all the 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.279 things that went on with me as a young kid. 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.360 I didn't want those same mistakes, and I wanted my 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:59.320 kids to grow to love me on their own accord. 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.880 So she did the same thing. She was very thoughtful 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.520 about it. I'm like, how was your relationship with Jessica, 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.400 who was Mike's ex mother of Jade. 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.720 When I said that they never really interacted much. 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.800 They didn't. That was kind of the deal. Anytime there 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:20.960 were issues with Jade, Jessica would never communicate with Julie. 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:24.640 She would always go to Mike, which irritated Julie obviously. 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.800 She's like, we're together, they have two kids together, they're 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.360 a blended family, and just Jessica just never would really 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:35.320 get with her like in terms of interacting. So she 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:40.040 gave me the examples of situations that had arisen over 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:44.080 the years. They weren't anything that lasted for long duration, 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.640 kind of like menial type things like there was a 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:50.440 thing where we'd be running late. I'd give Jade a 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.200 pop tart on the run type of breakfast. Jade wouldn't 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.960 eat it. And then Jade would mention something at school like, oh, 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.760 I didn't eat breakfast. My parents didn't feed me, and 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.240 they were calling Jessica and Jessica's like, oh, why aren't 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.000 you feeding my kid? And she starts like for a 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:08.200 couple months, like bringing boxes of cereal over, like as 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:12.160 if they're neglecting the kid. It's like those kind of 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.880 things were going on. So it definitely was never a 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.040 relationship where they were friendly. 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:21.080 It doesn't sound like justin aside, this strained, if not 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:24.960 non existent relationship with Jessica could shed some light on 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.720 the lack of support for Julia in the days and 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:31.400 hours immediately following the murder. Also know that we have 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:35.079 reached out multiple times to multiple members of Jade's side 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.719 of the family, and you will hear their take as 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:41.720 well in future episodes. Back to Bob and his meeting 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:42.679 with Beverly. 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.160 It wasn't like a battle, which just was like a 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.360 non existent relationship, which to me is strange. I mean, 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:52.280 if you've got blended families, and Jessica had had another kid, 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.600 so Jade had a half sister, and what had happened 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:59.120 during COVID when they shut the country down. Kids eventually 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.640 started having them remote and then as it started to 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:04.920 phase back, giving people the choice you want to send 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.000 your kids back or do you want to stay remote. 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:10.880 And so that was a sticky issue between Mike and 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:14.480 Julie because Mike and Julie wanted Jade to finish the 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:18.840 year just remote, Jessica wantitor back in school in person. 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.480 I guess Mike and Julie ended up having a beef 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:26.719 about it, and where Mike's like, well, look, ultimately, it's 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.200 not your kid. Jessica's going to have final say so 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:33.120 over this thing. So I'm like, well, did you harbor resentment? 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.640 Was that something that you would bring up in arguments? 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.080 She's like, no, not really. 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:41.840 I think that's really interesting because Julie was working at 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:46.120 home for Hyatt, right, and Mike was working out of 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:51.240 a house at Cracker Barrel. So if Julie wanted Jade 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:57.440 to do remote learning, that puts the responsibility on her, right, 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:02.600 which speaks volumes to their relationship. Right, if you don't 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:06.920 like a kid, you don't want that kid doing remote 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:07.760 learning in your house. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:09.760 You want him out of the house because you have to, 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.360 you know, police it, right exactly. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:19.319 We'll be right back with Murder on Songbird Road. Now 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:26.360 back to Murder on Songbird Road. So, the portrait of 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.559 Beverly as a mother and a stepmother that had begun 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:33.320 to emerge from our preliminary interviews seems him keeping with 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.559 the fact that the state never presented a motive or 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:43.640 any testimony that painted Julia Beverly as abusive or violent. Instead, 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:47.400 they offered a timeline confirmed by her employer's records. Sell 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:52.600 signals and surveillance footage. According to the prosecution, on December fifth, 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:56.319 twenty twenty, Beverly was scheduled to work from home from 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:00.800 seven thirty am to twelve thirty pm. While she was 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.320 scheduled to have a break from nine thirty am to 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:07.600 nine forty five. Beverly was actually logged out of the 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:12.559 work system from nine thirty to ten fifteen am. It 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:16.400 is during that forty five minute window that the prosecution 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:22.439 contends Beverly brutally murdered Jade Beasley, meticulously removing all evidence 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:26.040 of blood from her person before returning to her home 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:30.120 office and typing text responses to customer inquiries and complaints 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:34.760 on social media for an additional fifty minutes. Beverly then 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.839 requested to end her work day early at eleven o 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:42.160 five am, and was granted time off at eleven oh seven, 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:46.600 when she logged off Hyatt's system. Beverly left the house 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:48.800 by eleven thirty six am. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:51.880 The prosecution contends that was. 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.440 When Beverly departed with the bloody outfit she wore while 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.520 committing the murder, the materials she used to clean up, 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.000 and the murder weapon, all of this fitting into the 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.800 small bag. She was captured on video discarding at Hawk's 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.960 gas station, where she said she stopped to get gas 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:10.560 before realizing she'd left her. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:11.640 Credit cards at home. 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:16.280 There are many issues with this narrative, which we will 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:20.040 address in great detail going forward, but one stuck out 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.880 immediately to both Mada and myself as soon as we 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:26.560 started reviewing the facts of this case. No blood was 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:31.679 ever found in Beverly's home office, not Beverly's or Jade Beasley's. 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:35.800 We will get back to the importance and probability of 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.000 that in terms of the prosecution's theory. 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.439 But back to Bob and I lead up. 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:44.400 To the fifth of December, which is that horrible day. 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:48.040 I'm like to start from the minute you open your eyes, 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.880 tell me what happened. I get the background about like 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:55.400 Jessica had had another child, Jade's half sister, and there 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:57.800 was a party that was supposed to be taking place 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:02.480 that weekend. Juliet been told by both Jade and Mike 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:06.960 that the party was taking place on Sunday. And December 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.959 fifth is Saturday, and she's working that day, and she 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.720 had pushed up her work schedule an hour she wanted 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:15.319 to get off an hour earlier, and I asked her, 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.080 was there a reason in particular that you wanted to 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.480 reschedule and move that hour up. She's like, no, not 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.680 in particular. Essentially, Mike's out of the house early by 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.160 like seven o'clock. He's working the morning shift at the 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:31.720 cracker barrel, and at that point it's just Julie and Jade. 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:36.280 She logs in remotely, key strokes the whole nine yards. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.440 They know when she's off, you know, they know when 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.520 she's on. They know what she's doing on her computer. 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.800 About eight o'clock, Jade wanders in and she's got like 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:46.760 an office. It's got a door, and I'm like, was 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.400 the door closed? She's a guy typically will keep it closed, 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.000 and she said, jagging him in, I'm hungry, so we'll 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:57.040 go make yourself bowl of cereal. He says, okay, close 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.520 to the door. Doesn't hear from her for a couple hours, 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:05.520 and at some point Jade apparently comes in and says, 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.680 I'm hungry again. Julie's like, why don't we wait till lunch. 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.880 It's an hour and a half. We'll have a nice launch, 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.280 And she said Jade was upset about it, like she 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.719 was frustrated, and she's like, I'm hungry now, I want 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.000 to eat now. Julie's like, what's really going on. You 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:22.920 can't be that upset because I don't want you to 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:24.000 eat another bowl of cereal. 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:28.360 It was at this point, according to Beverly, Jade confided 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.120 in her as to a situation she was navigating with 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.280 a friend from school. We are not diving into the 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:38.120 specifics of that conversation because it is not our intention 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:42.080 to sensationalize or exploit dynamics happening within an eleven. 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:43.120 Year old social circle. 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.000 But it isn't a new window that has come up 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:50.840 repeatedly in multiple interviews. We mention it now only because 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.960 it could explain the initial misconception that Jade was processing 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:59.440 something that could have prompted her to contemplate suicide. That 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:04.160 conversation is also what Beverly says led to the extension 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.280 of the break, which was supposed to last from nine 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.880 thirty to nine forty five AM. 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:14.240 So what Julie tells me today is that she had 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.680 gone on break coinciding with when Jade's in the room 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:23.320 with her, and at some point this conversation's proceeding and 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.000 Julie feels like she's not making any headway with her, 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.600 and she stands up and she starts to usher her out. 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.200 She's like, I got to get back to work. My 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:35.800 break's over. I'm already ten minutes over. Go go, we'll 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:36.640 talk about it later. 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:41.240 Mada pressed Beverly on the dynamic between her and Jade 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:42.520 regarding the conversation. 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.560 She's like, well, I got up when I was trying 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.480 to end the conversation because I couldn't get her to 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:49.480 leave the room, because I needed to get back on 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.800 and continue to work and get logged back in because 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.480 I'd been out for way longer than fifteen minutes. While 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.480 I'm like, do you remember what time you logged in? 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.080 She said, I think it was ten thirteen. Is when 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.760 I get logged back in and I'm like, okay. At 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.920 some point you stand up and she's like yeah, and 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.480 what are you doing. She's like, well, I'm walking behind 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:14.280 Jade like this. You know, I'm behind her and I'm 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.680 not pushing her violently. I'm just kind of like, all right, 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.400 you got to go, so you get her out of 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.120 the room. I mean, I'm like, did that devolve into 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.680 a screaming match or you're screaming at her where like 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:29.800 She's like, no, none of that. Like I was obviously upset. 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:33.040 I was obviously frustrated. I got her out of the room. 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.680 I told her to go to her room and she's 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:37.000 like I log back in. 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.680 According to her loggin and keystrokes, we know that Beverly 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.160 then returned to working typing exchanges from ten to fifteen am, 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.320 until she asked to wrap her day early and logged 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:51.520 off at eleven oh seven. During that window, phone records 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:55.800 also show that at ten nineteen she receives a silly 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.880 meme text from Jade's father Mike, before replying Wow, ask 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.359 at ten thirty nine if he's already off work. He 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.920 responds at eleven twenty three, she. 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:11.520 Gets a response that he's scheduled till two, but probably 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:12.680 going to get off at one. 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.160 An important note, Bevely does not appear to have been 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:19.520 forthright with the police about the conversation she had with Jade, 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.880 or the fact Jade wasn't happy about ending it when 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.120 Beverly had to get back to work and sent her 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.280 to her room. One could argue that she didn't want 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.439 to divulge the nature of the conversation, or that she 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:35.840 had disciplined Jade in order to protect Jade's memory. One 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:39.200 could also argue it was to protect herself. Either way, 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.600 she decides to end her work day early. 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.760 So she says, Okay, I've decided I want to do 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.800 some retail therapy, That's what she calls it. I've got 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.359 a bunch of people on my Christmas list. It's December fifth. 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.320 I'm going to go to Walmart. I'm going to shop. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.760 So that's like at eleven oh seven. And at that 0:17:55.960 --> 0:18:00.159 point I asked her, well, had you text anybody that 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:01.160 you were going shopping. 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.399 She's like no, So Beverly logged off from work by 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.760 eleven oh seven and sell Tower pangs have her leaving 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:11.320 the house by eleven thirty six am. Here's how she 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.200 accounted for those twenty nine minutes. 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:13.680 To Bob. 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:15.840 She's like, all right, well, I had to get dressed 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.639 because like, I don't have to get dressed to work. 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.280 I'm in my pajamas, I got my clothes on, I 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.920 brushed my hair, brushed my teeth, and I let dogs out. 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.640 They have two decent sized dogs. One's like an Australian shepherd, 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.080 the other's like a rotten mix. So the big dogs. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.600 I'm like, okay, and then you leave and she's like, yeah, 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:40.359 I leave, and I'm like, well, did you remember to 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.639 let the dogs back in? And she's like no. I'm like, well, 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:48.800 if i'm law enforcement, it's extremely convenient that you've let 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.359 the dogs out in the backyard when all this is 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:55.160 taking place, whether it's you or an intruder. And I've 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.520 done it. I've left my dog out, you know, if 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.000 I'm in a rush. She claims that she'd just forgot 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.000 to bring the dogs back in when she left. 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.800 This would become another of what Bob and I call 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.320 bad facts for Beverly, as is the fact that Beverly 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:12.600 left eleven year old Jade at home alone, especially since 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.640 in Illinois it is illegal to leave a child under 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:18.880 the age of fourteen home alone. This is the highest 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.000 age requirement in the United States. 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.840 And so she's like, all right, well, I tell Jade, 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:25.760 I'm going to be gone a couple hours. Just play 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.600 on your phone and you know, I'll be back. She's like, 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:31.440 it wasn't unusual for us to leave Jaden and Jade. 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:33.359 We'd never leave the little kids. But if it was 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.720 like just a couple hours, like two hour max. We 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.600 would leave the eleven year olds if it was during 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.760 the day. So I'm like, did you invite her? She's like, no, 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.040 I didn't invite her. I want to clear my head, 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.879 so she says, she goes out, gets in the car, 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:48.640 starts driving. 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:52.120 Beverly says she was about halfway into her travels when 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:55.000 she noticed her gas light was on and the car 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:55.760 was on empty. 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:59.920 She's at a red light as she opens her bath 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:02.600 and she says she's got two purses. She uses a 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:05.480 bigger purse when she's got the babies because she keeps 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:09.000 diapers in there, and she's got a smaller purse that 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.240 when she doesn't have the kids, she'll just carry the 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:13.480 smaller purse around where she drops her cards in there 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:17.520 and ID So, she says, she realizes she doesn't have 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.480 her a debit card there. She continues on to hawks 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:24.520 pulls in and then at that point she's like, sometimes 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:26.879 I have to change the kids in the car. I 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.679 had these diapers there, so I pull in and I 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:33.080 dump these in the garbage. I'm like, so you pull 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.159 up to like a pump and you're using one of 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:38.720 the garbage cans that they have typically between the pumps 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.879 and she's like, yeah, so then I obviously have to 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:43.680 go home and get my cards. 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:49.320 This is when the prosecution contends Beverly dumped bloody clothing, shoes, 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:54.080 cleaning materials, and the murder weapon, even though the surveillance 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.679 footage from the gas station shows her discarding a small 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:01.480 bag that easily fit in one hand. It's also of 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:03.960 note that when her car was seized after the murder 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:08.400 and placed in storage, it was indeed on empty. Back 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:11.520 to Bob and what Beverly told him about returning home 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:14.000 and sitting in the driveway in front of the barn 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:17.600 situated to the side of the house, scrolling Facebook before 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.639 becoming aware something seemed off. 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:26.200 She can hear the dogs barking, and not like oh, 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:30.520 Mommy's home, but like that deeper, deeper bark, like oh 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:33.160 there's a squirrel or there's another dog, like that real 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:37.720 deep guttural bark the dogs can get. So she's got 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.840 the dogs barking like that in the backyard and this 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.640 door is ajar. What is going on here? I don't 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.119 know if she's on a high alert, but she feels 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.720 like something is astray, like something seems off to her, 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:52.439