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Speaker 1: Murder on Songbird Road is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Previously on Murder on Songbird Road.

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Speaker 2: I don't think she did it.

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Speaker 3: That's Stuart, the biological father of Jaden.

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Speaker 2: They've never found a weapon or if the change clothes

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Speaker 2: never made sense, still doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: If there was a magic wand waved and Julie was out,

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't have any reservation whatsoever about Jaden.

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Speaker 3: Being with her. No, she loved all her children.

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Speaker 1: Nikki says she knows Julia extremely well, even for cousins.

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Speaker 3: Even the ones that she didn't give birth to. That

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Speaker 3: is one thing that she is extremely good at.

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Speaker 1: Beverly suddenly recalled that she actually stopped at Hucks. I said, Julie,

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Speaker 1: you got its home, because as of right now, they're

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Speaker 1: trying to say you never left the house.

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Speaker 3: I called and asked for Carl Gustantine personally. I told

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Speaker 3: him that Julie remembered she stopped at Hucks for gas.

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Speaker 3: He said, well, I'll have to hear that from her.

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Speaker 3: And I said, well, she's already invoked an attorney, so

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Speaker 3: you have your information. And he said okay and hung

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Speaker 3: up the phone.

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Speaker 1: The video from the gas station, what did they claim

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Speaker 1: they'd found.

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Speaker 3: They got Julian camera stopping at the gas station to

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Speaker 3: throw away items in the same area.

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Speaker 2: Julie is, there is a incident and this hall was

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Speaker 2: made at ten thirty for.

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Speaker 4: A suspicious person. In no way.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he's wearing a black hoodie and dark pants. We're

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Speaker 3: heading to Marian.

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Speaker 2: I'm here for it. I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: I'm Lauren bred Pacheco and this is murder on Songbird Road.

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Speaker 1: Julia Beverly sentencing was scheduled for Friday, October thirteenth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three, the day before Bob Matta came down from Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I flew in through Saint Louis, Missouri, and drove the

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Speaker 1: two hours to Marion.

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Speaker 3: We connected there in person for the first time.

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Speaker 5: Hi.

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Speaker 2: Hey.

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Speaker 1: In person, Mada comes across more like a slightly jaded,

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Speaker 1: tough guy than a former defense attorney. He's recording Oh

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Speaker 1: we are Yeah, I had a new kid, so it

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Speaker 1: took me a while. He's long traded ties for T shirts,

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Speaker 1: a beard and a mustache that veers more biker than

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Speaker 1: bar exam, a look much more in keeping with his

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Speaker 1: additional passion to law and his wife Alison music.

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Speaker 3: When we finally crossed paths. In Marion.

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Speaker 1: He had just met with Julia Beverly at the Williamson

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Speaker 1: County Jail.

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Speaker 2: So I get down their typical small town county jail,

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Speaker 2: but big structure. It's a relatively big structure. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: have you been into a jail.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Pinkneyville where Chris is it basically looks like

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Speaker 1: a nineteen sixties high school.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this one's a little more modern. It's still probably

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Speaker 2: thirty years old. But for Mary in Illinois, which is

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Speaker 2: extremely rural down here, it was big. Clearly they have

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Speaker 2: a pretty good amount of people in there because there

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Speaker 2: were several blocks, and you walk in and every jail

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Speaker 2: in prison has that smell. There's no other smell like

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Speaker 4: It's bad.

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Speaker 2: It's like a weird maple syrup with like combined with

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Speaker 3: I can't say. It's kind of stress and depression.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's oll that's for certain, Like if that's if

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Speaker 2: that had a smell, that's exactly what it would smell like.

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Speaker 2: So I get in, give them my creds. I wanted

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Speaker 2: to be able to meet with her with suprivacy so

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Speaker 1: Since mod is still a licensed attorney, he was able

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Speaker 1: to meet with Beverly in an area that allows a

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to interview her. I wanted to get

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Speaker 2: things were not addressed, where things were inadmissible. I'm always

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Speaker 2: walking in having defended some pretty awful people in my life,

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Speaker 2: I don't want you sugarcoating anything, Like if you and

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Speaker 2: Mike were in arguments, I want to hear authentically how

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Speaker 2: they were, Like, were you guys screamers? Were you dropping

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Speaker 2: I want to know, because it all matters. She was candid.

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Speaker 2: I'd start with the background. I get the history of

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Speaker 2: her and Mike, the relationship with her and Jade.

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Speaker 1: Matt and I both know that while friends and family

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Speaker 1: often paint a sympathetic picture of the accused, some questions

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Speaker 3: What was she like physically small?

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Speaker 2: So she's probably four to eleven diminutive, small, like not imposing.

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Speaker 2: but she's She's little, sweet, very nice. I start from

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Speaker 2: the history of her and Mike from the beginning. When

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Speaker 2: Jaden and Mike had Jade. They were both four years

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Speaker 3: Right, was a hostess? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: They were working at this Benny's, which is an Italian

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Speaker 2: so they really kind of connected pretty quickly. The relationship

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Speaker 2: asking her, you know, how was your relationship with Jade. Initially,

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Speaker 2: my parents divorced when I was young, and I'm also

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Speaker 2: in terms of being a step parent, you know, never

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Speaker 2: So she did the same thing. She was very thoughtful

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Speaker 3: When I said that they never really interacted much.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like justin aside, this strained, if not

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like a battle, which just was like a

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Speaker 2: if you've got blended families, and Jessica had had another kid,

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Speaker 2: You want him out of the house because you have to,

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back with Murder on Songbird Road. Now

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Speaker 1: back to Murder on Songbird Road. So, the portrait of

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Speaker 1: Beverly as a mother and a stepmother that had begun

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Speaker 1: the fact that the state never presented a motive or

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Speaker 1: any testimony that painted Julia Beverly as abusive or violent. Instead,

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Speaker 1: they offered a timeline confirmed by her employer's records. Sell

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Speaker 1: is during that forty five minute window that the prosecution

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Speaker 1: contends Beverly brutally murdered Jade Beasley, meticulously removing all evidence

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Speaker 1: When Beverly departed with the bloody outfit she wore while

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Speaker 1: started reviewing the facts of this case. No blood was

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Speaker 1: ever found in Beverly's home office, not Beverly's or Jade Beasley's.

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Speaker 1: We will get back to the importance and probability of

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Speaker 3: But back to Bob and I lead up.

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Speaker 2: To the fifth of December, which is that horrible day.

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Speaker 2: I'm like to start from the minute you open your eyes,

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Speaker 2: Jessica had had another child, Jade's half sister, and there

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Speaker 2: fifth is Saturday, and she's working that day, and she

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Speaker 2: cracker barrel, and at that point it's just Julie and Jade.

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Speaker 2: She logs in remotely, key strokes the whole nine yards.

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Speaker 2: They know when she's off, you know, they know when

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Speaker 2: About eight o'clock, Jade wanders in and she's got like

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Speaker 1: It was at this point, according to Beverly, Jade confided

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Speaker 1: But it isn't a new window that has come up

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Speaker 1: it could explain the initial misconception that Jade was processing

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Speaker 2: So what Julie tells me today is that she had

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Speaker 2: Julie feels like she's not making any headway with her,

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Speaker 1: Mada pressed Beverly on the dynamic between her and Jade

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Speaker 2: She's like, well, I got up when I was trying

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Speaker 2: I'd been out for way longer than fifteen minutes. While

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Speaker 2: She said, I think it was ten thirteen. Is when

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Speaker 2: She's like, no, none of that. Like I was obviously upset.

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Speaker 1: According to her loggin and keystrokes, we know that Beverly

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Speaker 1: then returned to working typing exchanges from ten to fifteen am,

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Speaker 1: also show that at ten nineteen she receives a silly

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Speaker 1: at ten thirty nine if he's already off work. He

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Speaker 2: So she says, Okay, I've decided I want to do

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Walmart. I'm going to shop.

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Speaker 2: So that's like at eleven oh seven. And at that

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Speaker 2: point I asked her, well, had you text anybody that

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Speaker 2: She's like, all right, well, I had to get dressed

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Speaker 1: This would become another of what Bob and I call

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Speaker 2: And so she's like, all right, well, I tell Jade,

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Speaker 1: Beverly says she was about halfway into her travels when

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Speaker 1: she noticed her gas light was on and the car

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Speaker 2: She's at a red light as she opens her bath

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Speaker 2: and she says she's got two purses. She uses a

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Speaker 1: This is when the prosecution contends Beverly dumped bloody clothing, shoes,

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Speaker 2: She can hear the dogs barking, and not like oh,

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Speaker 2: you from getting the gun? I was retelling this story

435
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: to Alison again.

436
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: Alison has Mata's wife and also a criminal defense attorney.

437
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: And Allison's like, I don't care if you heard this,

438
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: like the storm door slam or not. I'm getting the gun,

439
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: whether I know how to shoot it or not getting

440
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,239
Speaker 2: the gun. So Alison had a little problem with that

441
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 2: part of the story that she didn't just go and

442
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: get the gun. So at that point I said, okay,

443
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: what do you do. Then she's like, well, I go

444
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 2: to the bathroom. Our bathroom.

445
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: That's when definitely said she rensed her bleeding hands and

446
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: wrapped her left hand with a cloth because of the

447
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: wounds to the side of the hand that took the

448
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: brunt of the assailant's knife.

449
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 2: Well, did you have to walk by the bathroom that

450
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 2: Jay was found in in order to get to your bathroom?

451
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: She's like, no, I didn't. What's going through your mind

452
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 2: at this point, She's like, I have no idea. Honestly,

453
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: I have no idea. And then she says she wasn't

454
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: even thinking. And then she's walking through and then she

455
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: sees the blood in the living room. She says, oh

456
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: my god, Jay, she's walking past the bathroom and she

457
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: hears the water running and she opens the door and

458
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: it's like a nightmare. It's like nothing she's ever seen.

459
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: So I'm watching her reaction and she's telling me this

460
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 2: story and she starts crying authentically it seemed to me.

461
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: But you never know what the genesis of that is.

462
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 2: You don't know if it's regret, you don't know if

463
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 2: it's reliving it.

464
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: What remains problematic for Beverly and was leveraged by the

465
00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: prosecution is the amount of time their timeline purports transpired

466
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:06,479
Speaker 1: between Beverly's return home, encountering her alleged assailant, discovering Jade's body,

467
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: and calling nine one one. That call was made at

468
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: twelve twenty four PM, a full thirty one minutes after

469
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: the state contends Beverly drove up her driveway. We'll explore

470
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: why that amount of time may be misleading later.

471
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: Back to Bob, she says the HWKS video has her

472
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: dumping the garbage at eleven forty eight. Now, she claimed

473
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: at trial that there was some evidence that came in

474
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: that indicated that the clock was off, like that the

475
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 2: timestamp was off for the video. Now I'm asking was

476
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 2: it giving you more time or less time? And she's like,

477
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: I can't remember. So we have eleven forty eight, So

478
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: we've got the drive back to the house again seven

479
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 2: to ten minutes. So that puts us like twelve one,

480
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: twelve oh two, a few minutes scrolling Facebook and then

481
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 2: into the house. So it's like I was putting the

482
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: struggle minute a couple of minutes, you know, Like it's

483
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: it's twenty eight to thirty minutes like gap from when

484
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: like she gets in there and doesn't do anything. That

485
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: is our biggest issue to me. We're gonna have to

486
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 2: build these timelines out like hardcore, and it's going to

487
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: have to be through things that we can substantiate.

488
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: Murder on Songbird Road. We'll return after the break. Here

489
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: again is murders on.

490
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 3: Songbird Roads sources if they didn't sit with that in mind.

491
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: We head to Songbird Road the next morning, after stopping

492
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: for coffee along the way.

493
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 2: So we're going to start with the field trip over

494
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: to what was formerly Mike and Julie and Jades and

495
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: the rest of the kid's house. I'm curious to see

496
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: the layout. Yeah, I want to see I want to

497
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 2: see where it's situated.

498
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: I want to.

499
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: Exactly or just like how.

500
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 4: Close there is to anything, you know, like walking distance.

501
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that we're driving out of the commercial district,

502
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: you can see that it's feeling much more rural.

503
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: It's very rural.

504
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: While we were getting coffee, I asked the woman behind

505
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: the counter if she'd heard of the murder that took

506
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: place on Songbird Road. I thought she made it very interesting.

507
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: She said, it's sad, it is, and it is it's

508
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: but she also had her doubts as to whether or

509
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: not Julie did.

510
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 4: It exactly, And I asked her, what's your source?

511
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: They didn't televise this trial, right, so you're going to

512
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: get people to talk in a small town and you're

513
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: going to get the local news, like those are going

514
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: to be the two sources if they didn't go sit

515
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: in at the trial, right.

516
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And often they enter mesh.

517
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 4: Exactly without us product.

518
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 2: At the end, I kind of asked, well, you know,

519
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: do you think that Julie did it. She's like, I.

520
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: Don't, yeah, and so she has doubts. That's the thing.

521
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: The concept of reasonable doubt has never been properly defined.

522
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: There is no blanket definition of what that means for jurors.

523
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: There is. Every jurisdiction has a different definition for it.

524
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 2: You get your jury instructions when those are always argued

525
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: between the sides prior to them getting issued to the

526
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: jury when they're getting ready to go deliberate.

527
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 4: There is no uniform definition of it.

528
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: It was Friday, October thirteenth, twenty twenty three, the same

529
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: day Julia Beverly would be sentenced. It was a cloudy,

530
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: warm day as we made our way through the winding

531
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: rural roads. Halloween decor and some early seasonal tricks were

532
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: on display.

533
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: We get a little TP action. It's Friday night lights

534
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: down here.

535
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: Awesome.

536
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 4: I mean it's essentially pink houses.

537
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: You know John Mellencamp too. That's what we're talking about.

538
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 4: A road, we're getting remote.

539
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: We're two miles out.

540
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 4: We know that the house they disassembled it.

541
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a song Bird line. Just blow by it.

542
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: Coming out.

543
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: Okay, we're back here, getting back here alright now we're

544
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: turning on to Songbird Road.

545
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: There's a little.

546
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: Baseball so she told me about this. They used to

547
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: actually play little league games. It's grown over at this point,

548
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: Hoviotly you guys haven't been and there's the old concession stand.

549
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: And so we're two tens of a mile away from

550
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: the house. Over to our left, we've got clearly a farmer,

551
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: some abandoned cars, abandoned cars, got a good another abandoned

552
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: baseball field all grown over for clearly abandoned. All right,

553
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: so this is a neighbor small house carport back.

554
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: There about to re keep off my property sign.

555
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean we're here.

556
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: You can see where the where the house was.

557
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's found that that's the barn. Then should

558
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: we go walk it. I think so, I think we should.

559
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: I think we should.

560
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to pull on this little driveway. All right,

561
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 2: all right, let's go. Let's see what's up.

562
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: It's just like a bit of a makeshift gravel driveway.

563
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: To the right are two.

564
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: Giant, just mine overwhelmed, really mature trees that look like

565
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: they've seen better days.

566
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean these are one hundred plus year

567
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 4: old trees.

568
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: Those are old old trees. The rash kind of amazing

569
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: looking trees.

570
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: The two distinct trees that mark the driveway were the

571
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: same trees Julia's cousin Nikki immediately recognized in the social

572
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: media post the day of the murder.

573
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 4: I don't know that I've ever seen a tree over

574
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: growing vines like that.

575
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 3: We walked further up the driveway.

576
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: Probably about fifty yards from the road, leads up to

577
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: where I believe Julie would have pulled up. Okay, so

578
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: this is what she referred to as the barn. Now.

579
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 2: She said that they used to have horses, and they

580
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: used to keep horses in this barn back in the day.

581
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: So she says when she gets back from her huck's

582
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: trip that she pulls up right here, and she says

583
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: that the front door is open, and she notices it.

584
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: At some point they had a fence back here for

585
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: the dogs, which they've taken down. Let's walk in and

586
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: see so and she said there was no access to

587
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 2: the backyard because there was no gate in the fence,

588
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: and so this would have been the backyard, the fenced

589
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: in the backyard where the dogs wandered and there was

590
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 2: no access to it. So she would have had to

591
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: have gone into the house to let the dogs in,

592
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: because I asked her, a park here, like you knew

593
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: that you left the dogs out, but I asked her,

594
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: did you text Jade to let the dogs in? And

595
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: she did not?

596
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: All right, So we.

597
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: See what used to be the modular home, the double lie,

598
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: which was obviously removed. So it looks like it was what,

599
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, twelve hundred square feet.

600
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, one level.

601
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: The house is no longer there, but the outline of

602
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: where it stood is still visible, as are the remnants

603
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: of what would have been water and electrical access. So

604
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: we still got some of the piping from So this

605
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: is the foundation that they lay.

606
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 3: It's literally just kind of tarped.

607
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tarped and it was cinderblocks. I mean that

608
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: was literally the foundation. So this, if this was the

609
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: front door, this is where it went down with the

610
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: masked marauder for to believe that story.

611
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: Even in the exposed confines of the former homes footing,

612
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: the area feels nestled in an isolating way. And unfortunately,

613
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: this is not the kind of neighborhood where you would

614
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: have ring cameras or no way.

615
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is rural. We're in farmland here,

616
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: there's no question about it. So if we're looking at

617
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: Songbird Road, got the neighbor to the left facing road

618
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: is probably about the house looks to be about one

619
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty yards, and it's about the same to

620
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: the right.

621
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, the three are kind of equidistant, almost the three

622
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: closest homes, and neither one is directly across.

623
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're not close to any kind of main thoroughfare.

624
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 2: So like the concept of somebody walking back here seems

625
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: remote to me.

626
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: You're not getting like casual foot traffic or somebody who

627
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: is zero changed to rob because they think that there

628
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: is something of great value, and.

629
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 2: The zero chance of somebody just wandering around back here

630
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: you know, because somebody would have had to have known

631
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 2: that Jade was home.

632
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: Almost a year later, that exchange would come back to

633
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: haunt us. But in this moment, we were walking through

634
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: the remnants of a family's former life, building materials strewn

635
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: with broken bits of dogs, toys, and children's playthings, reminders

636
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: of lives interrupted and one ended.

637
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: So it's a pretty she said. It was about two acres,

638
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: so I'm assuming it goes all the way to the

639
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: back here. This is all their land. Looks like a

640
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: recently cut down tree. It's rural. Yeah, I mean it's

641
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: so rural that if anybody's screaming in that house, I

642
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: don't know that they're hearing it, because I'd say that

643
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 2: that closest neighbor, if you're facing the road, it's probably

644
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 2: about one hundred and fifty yards.

645
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, on either side. Should stop over there.

646
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: I feel like we kind of should stop over there.

647
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: See if the belt I just heard. I look at

648
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 2: that bird up there.

649
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: It's a turkey vulture. Wow, it's kind of ominous.

650
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: It's super ominous. Wow.

651
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. You hear a thump and you look up and

652
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 3: you see that.

653
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, that's that's interesting. I've never seen one of

654
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: class like that. It's a good eye, Lauren, you know

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Speaker 2: that it's a Turkey culture.

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Speaker 1: It lent more than a slightly portentous tone to the

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Speaker 1: morning heading into beverly scent and sing. But we had

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Speaker 1: one more stop to make along the way.

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Speaker 3: Should we have to gas station?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: The time it would take us to get there was

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Speaker 1: only one of the surprises we were about to encounter

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Speaker 1: on the next murder on Songbird Road.

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Speaker 2: The great aunt ends up giving the victim impact the family,

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Speaker 2: the family. There was like an undercurrent of real animosity

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Speaker 2: that was religious based in this family dynamic between these

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Speaker 2: two different families.

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Speaker 1: That being to say that those three children are being

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Speaker 1: raised like as if it's vindication.

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Speaker 2: Adamantly stated it, turned to Julie and said it with conviction,

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Speaker 2: raised as Christians looking directly at her.

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Speaker 4: That made no bones about it. Darkness the light.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's what I wrote down.

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Speaker 4: They're talking about?

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Speaker 3: Are they alleging that this was some kind of murder?

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Speaker 1: On Songbird Road is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our

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