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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. All about that

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Speaker 1: high school drama, Girl Drama, girl, all about.

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Speaker 2: Them high school queens.

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Speaker 1: We'll take you for a ride, and our comic girl

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Speaker 1: shared for the right team Drama Queens.

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Speaker 3: Jaylie's my girl of girl fashion, but your tough girl,

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Speaker 3: you could sit with us.

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Speaker 1: Girl drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queens Drama, Queens.

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Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, welcome in. Today we are discussing the boomerang

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Speaker 4: of an episode that was season nine, episode three, Love

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Speaker 4: the Way You Lie, Every date of January twenty fifth,

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Speaker 4: twenty twelve. Synopsis reads Dan helps a struggling Hayley at

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Speaker 4: Karen's cafe. Meanwhile, Quinn discovers that Clay is hiding something

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Speaker 4: from her, and Chase tries to mend a broken heart.

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Speaker 4: Brooke is let down by her lunch plans with her dad,

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Speaker 4: and Julian makes a life changing mistake. It was directed

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Speaker 4: by our very own Paul Johansson and written by Lenn Rosenfeld.

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Speaker 2: I loved it too, but there was a lot. You're right,

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Speaker 2: it was a boomerang of an episode one thousand percent.

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Speaker 2: It's a perfect word.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. One of my first notes was, oh, it's just

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Speaker 4: so nice to see Clay and Quinn finally having just

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Speaker 4: like a chill, fun morning. And boy did that change quickly.

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Speaker 4: So Joy, I need to I need to catch you

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Speaker 4: up to speed on something because you weren't here last episode.

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Speaker 4: But I've developed a fan theory of my very own. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 4: and here's what it is. Dan Scott is the actual

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Speaker 4: mastermind behind Nathan's kidnapping. Here's why. So remember in episode

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Speaker 4: nine oh one, it's a bit of a red herring,

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Speaker 4: but because we knew it was coming, like that moment

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Speaker 4: when Karen's cafe door is left open and then there's

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Speaker 4: like a big there's a big shadowy figure jiggling the handle.

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Speaker 4: We were like, oh, was it the Eastern European gangsters.

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Speaker 4: It couldn't have been, because at that point in the story,

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Speaker 4: Nathan was not supposed to be going to Europe. Again,

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Speaker 4: Clay was that's right, right, So it had to be Dan, right,

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Speaker 4: And then he's it's made very clear to him that

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Speaker 4: an angle. Maybe he's the one who put this in motion,

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Speaker 4: because isn't it kind of odd that he also becomes

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Speaker 4: the hero. He figures it out and doesn't chicks up. Okay,

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Speaker 4: now here, So that's me catching you up on my

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Speaker 4: theory from nine oho two. Now here's my theory on

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Speaker 4: nine oh three. I think Dan got in the ear

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Speaker 4: of the cafe owner across the street and convinced them

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Speaker 4: to poach your chef. Because when Karen's cafe suddenly abruptly

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Speaker 4: loses its chef, that is obviously a deal breaking situation

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Speaker 4: for a cafe. And what is his specialty cook flippin' burgers.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a line cook.

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Speaker 4: Now and all of a sudden he's just there. You

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Speaker 4: by the way, it's a very odd scene that you're like,

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Speaker 4: who delivered that burger? You wouldn't notice someone cooking in

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Speaker 4: your kitchen for fifteen minutes. But still, so, this is

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Speaker 4: what I'm running with the so far the season is

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Speaker 4: that he orchestrated Karen's cafe losing at chef, and he

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Speaker 4: is the perpetrator if or he's a perpetrator behind Nathan's kidnapping, this.

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Speaker 2: Is I don't think that's a bad theory. I will

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Speaker 2: say that Dan has displayed a consistent habit of just

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Speaker 2: doesn't throw me too much. It would with anyone else.

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Speaker 2: But I think you're onto something about the cafe across

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Speaker 6: It's a really interesting shift in the plans. And when

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Speaker 6: it would be so easy for him to wander in there.

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Speaker 6: I just wanted to see what's happening, you know. I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because Dan needs to be needed otherwise he can

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Speaker 4: be discarded for a good reason quite easily, right, And

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Speaker 4: we've already seen that he is. He's already being machiavellan.

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Speaker 6: Just listening on the other side of the door, like

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Speaker 4: Yes, so this may all be disproved, but I'm having

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Speaker 4: a really fun time watching this now with my own

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 6: I love Rob as a One Tree Hill conspiracy theorist.

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Speaker 4: This is going to be my new rabbit hole. Are

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Speaker 4: my own One Tree Hill theories.

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Speaker 6: Also, speaking of the cafe, I cannot explain to you

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Speaker 4: In my notes, it's working in the cafe is perfect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it just killed me so good. There's so

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Speaker 2: much about the space of Karen's Cafe and being back

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Speaker 2: Although Haley was working in heels again, like running around

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Speaker 6: That was observation from Rory and Sammy. They go, I'm

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Speaker 6: sorry she in stilettos. Yeah, I said, oh, we were

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Speaker 6: all in stilettos exclusively for nine seasons because we're all

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Speaker 2: But also, how in the world Old has been working

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Speaker 6: It doesn't happen in a day, no, no, no.

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Speaker 4: And not to mention the grand opening sign is literally

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Speaker 6: And the flyer that you get shown, Yes, so many

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Speaker 4: Also, that would be like going to a chili's grand

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Speaker 4: opening and them announcing that they poached the chef from

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Speaker 4: the rival Applebee's. Yeah, Like, who do you think is

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because the guy from Karen's Cafe is clearly not

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Speaker 2: I've phoning in not showing up to work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Also, gang, how are we gonna say that you

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Speaker 4: are now the only gourmet cafe when you are using

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Speaker 4: just sort of feels like if you're going to brag

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a weird choice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was pretty fine, completely.

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Speaker 6: Unrelated to anything, but it was so weird to me.

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Speaker 6: I did not remember the Chef Jeff bit. And one

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Speaker 6: Like it's been like a bit for ten years and

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Speaker 2: So you watch the show with your friends, did you

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Speaker 6: No, we all were what we were round immediately and

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Speaker 4: We were like, what is this?

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Speaker 6: Did my show like manifest you into our lives?

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Speaker 4: And he was gagged. He was like, wait when was

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Speaker 2: Like the whole thing is so weird, that's so funny.

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Speaker 2: I loved Karen's Cafe, that all this stuff. There were

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Speaker 2: I remember, and.

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Speaker 4: I will say, I feel this is again It's one

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Speaker 4: It needs a Karen's Cafe so that we can have

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and trick does it pretty well, but a cafe

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Speaker 4: You're not going to bring your infants to a bar

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Speaker 6: No, As much as much as I wish someone would

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Speaker 6: To me at some point, I think, no, So Karen's

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Speaker 6: it really does. It gives us the energy of cheers,

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Speaker 6: and it's it's so nice to.

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Speaker 5: Have it back.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I have a question. What is Karen's relation to

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Speaker 4: because this was Karen's cafe. This is Karen's cafe, and

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Speaker 4: I realized, oh, I'm missing history here.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, Keith essentially stepped in as dad for

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Speaker 2: Lucas and kind of raised Maybe you don't know that, but.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't know.

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Speaker 2: Karen and Keith were best friends, like really really tight.

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Speaker 2: He basically stepped in and raised Lucas. Nothing ever happened

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Speaker 2: between Karen and Keith for all those years because the relationships,

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Speaker 4: Oh no, is.

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Speaker 2: It was all consistent with who the character was. It

438
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: was all moving well, most of it was moving a

439
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: storyline forward, but we was like get you know, getting

440
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: getting us into more of Chris and his personality and

441
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 2: getting him into the kitchen, like I get it. But

442
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: the rest of the episode just I don't know, all

443
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: of it felt a little like we're okay, we're Austin's

444
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 2: doing the Gooni's theater in the in the warehouse or

445
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 2: a stage which I loved, and you know, a group

446
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 2: full of kids with like little kids show up and

447
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 2: pregnant Alison Munn and then all of a sudden we're

448
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 2: in a strip club. I was just really really confused.

449
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: There's a lot of whiplash on this episode.

450
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 4: Or how about we go from Clay and Quinn fighting,

451
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 4: It's like it's tumultuous, it's uncomfortable and heavy, and then

452
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 4: we go to Mouth and Milly yelling about his weight,

453
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 4: and then we go to Julian leaving a baby in

454
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 4: the car. Mind you, the same music is playing over

455
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 4: like all of it, and I'm like, it's like, which

456
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 4: one of these does not belong? Like what you can't

457
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 4: you can't go from like the high of a level

458
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 4: of Clay and Quinn and expect us to think that

459
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 4: this ridiculous, stupid situation with Lee and Lisa are just

460
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 4: like doing their best with But it was like to me,

461
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 4: I was just going, are we supposed to think that

462
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 4: these are like on this in the same lane?

463
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: Nod to the writing, Like the crafting of it was

464
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: not good. And that's not to say anything about Lenn Rosenfield.

465
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 2: What that is is about what was going on in

466
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: the writer's room at the time. There are so many

467
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 2: think pieces that are disconnected, and at some point there's

468
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: one person on top just saying do this, do this,

469
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: do this, And so that's the job of the writer.

470
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: They just get handed in an assignment and they just have

471
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: to figure out out. So he did the best he

472
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: could with the sign that was thrown at him and

473
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: the fact that we all really liked this episode in

474
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: spite of all that. I think it's a huge testament

475
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: to Paul who knew how to pull it all together

476
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,239
Speaker 2: somehow so that you don't you're not noticing really how

477
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 2: disjointed it is, I guess until you start talking talking

478
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: about it.

479
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 4: I know, I'm laughing.

480
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 6: I'm like, God, this episode is like being in the

481
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 6: writing labs, you know, books in the class everyone. But

482
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 6: I do think there's something really interesting. I'm so relieved

483
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 6: that the whiplash of this episode was given to all

484
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 6: of us in season nine because by now like we

485
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 6: can do anything with whatever's on the page, and that

486
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 6: Paul was in charge of it to give it some

487
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 6: stickiness between the scenes, because he was able to take

488
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 6: the commitment of every actor in every weird situation showing

489
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 6: up and trying their best to tell the truth, and

490
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 6: he managed to kind of glue the scenes together in

491
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 6: a way visually.

492
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 5: You know, him and.

493
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 6: Peter Kowalski are DP did such a great job with

494
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 6: the transitions and things, so they you know, they they

495
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 6: gave it a little something. But it is interesting to

496
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 6: watch it and be like, some of it was weird,

497
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 6: but we really liked it, And then as we start

498
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 6: talking about it, we're like, wait a second, actually a

499
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 6: lot of this is insane.

500
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: Super weird. Chris Keller that I was screaming in the

501
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, Tyler Hilton turning up that was

502
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: so good cafe we have shrinking fun that day.

503
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, shrieking.

504
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: You don't know how hard it was for me to

505
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: keep a straight face. I mean looking at my face

506
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: on camera, like I was biting my cheeks.

507
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 4: The bit about him discovering what an internship is and

508
00:26:52,560 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 4: then seemingly immediately posting an available internship listen, very funny,

509
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 4: and kudos to Tyler because he is so good with comedy. Yeah,

510
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 4: but like, I feel like we dialed up the Lothario

511
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 4: factor to about a twelve in this episode and it

512
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 4: still would have been wonderful at.

513
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 5: An eight exactly.

514
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, what's so interesting. That's a good way

515
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 2: of saying it.

516
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 6: I was watching that and I go, oh god, not

517
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 6: the hawk girl comes to intern who has to say

518
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 6: whatever they tell me to do. And I was like,

519
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 6: this is literally our boss's yeah fantasy, like he wrote

520
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 6: his fantasy. And I had forgotten that the two girls

521
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 6: the twins that Tyler picks at the end. As soon

522
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 6: as I saw them, I went, oh my god, those

523
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 6: were the girls our boss hired to work in wardrobe

524
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 6: that season, and then he put them on the show.

525
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.

526
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 6: And I remember Sweet Carol, our wardrobe supervisor, being like,

527
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 6: I cannot believe that I have to put my employees

528
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 6: not try to help them navigate this man off camera,

529
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 6: but now he's going to put them on the show, like.

530
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

531
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 6: And I realized watching Tyler he threaded the needle so

532
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 6: beautifully because he's a great comedian. And I was like, Oh,

533
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 6: what I love about this is not only is he

534
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 6: doing well with this material that's so obvious on the nose,

535
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 6: hat on a hat misogynistic. He's making fun of our

536
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 6: boss to our boss's face.

537
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: Oh.

538
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 6: And I was like, God, you're some like, hats off

539
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 6: to you, friend, hats off to you. He really put

540
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 6: a nice little easter egg in this material that I

541
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 6: know made us all go like roll our eyes and yeah.

542
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: He did it for it to be over.

543
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, he just did it perfectly, And I was like, yeah, wow,

544
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 6: these were the sort of early This was like phase

545
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 6: one of every girl's me too experience on our show,

546
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 6: and Tyler managed to do a wonderful job calling it

547
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 6: out and.

548
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 4: It was all just like male wish fulfillment on our

549
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 4: boss's part. But again, kudos to Tyler because he actually

550
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 4: made it palatable. But it was also a case of

551
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 4: we went back to the well four times more than

552
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 4: we needed. Yeah, the joke lands after two.

553
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah too much. I would have taken a lot more

554
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: time with Lisa and Lee. I would have taken more

555
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: time watching Brooke and Julian be domestic or or given

556
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: some Victoria some more time. There was a lot of

557
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: stuff I could have enjoyed watching a lot more than that.

558
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: It did not understand.

559
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 7: Yeah.

560
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 4: I just have one note, just all caps, poor Lee

561
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 4: and Lisa, because I just the storyline is whatever. Everyone

562
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 4: knows how I feel about the Strongland. I can't stand

563
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 4: it for so many reasons. But and again in One

564
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 4: of the biggest though, besides the fact it's offensive and lazy,

565
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 4: is just that we're wasting two really talented actors on

566
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 4: just a joke of a storyline. But I also don't

567
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 4: like what they did the Millie. I get it that

568
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: she's frustrated, but again, talk about something that doesn't line

569
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 4: up with who their character is. She is so loving

570
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 4: and compassionate that the fact that she would suddenly in

571
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 4: front of an audience, a televised audience, beside a room

572
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 4: full of people, just start ripping on him and going

573
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 4: you're fat, You're fat, You're fat. It's just I was No,

574
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 4: She's smarter than that, she has more poise than that.

575
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 4: And then the way the sort of the fight unfolds

576
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 4: behind she kind of throws some like really crummy punches

577
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 4: like low like low blows at him. Yeah, And I

578
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 4: just it didn't I didn't feel like I was watching

579
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 4: the two of He's also overly like obtuse. Like again,

580
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 4: Mouth is one of the smartest people in tree Hill

581
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 4: that we know. Why is he suddenly thinking that the

582
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: dry cleaners are conspiring against him and Millie's.

583
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: Button version of Clay's storyline.

584
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 4: Yes, it's really weird. He's not an idiot. He knows

585
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 4: if your stuff is getting tighter. The first thing you

586
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 4: do is go like, oh, it's just none of it

587
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 4: to me.

588
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: No, it was done so hammy. I mean, if you're

589
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: going to explore a storyline about somebody who's depressed and

590
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: how that's affecting them, you've got two great actors who

591
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: can handle that material.

592
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, in a real way.

593
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 6: And even when you think about the how incongruous it

594
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 6: is with who she is with who he is, exactly

595
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 6: like it being this episode being so weird for Clay.

596
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 6: I would have loved to see him sort of making jokes.

597
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 6: Maybe it's the dry cleaners, maybe it's like being in

598
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 6: on it a little bit in the segment, and to

599
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 6: see her get more and more uncomfortable, and when they

600
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 6: go off the air, to flip out at him, and

601
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 6: like for them to be fighting when they're off air

602
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 6: for a commercial break, and to see Jerry being like, guys,

603
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 6: you're back on. You're back on, guys, and like trying

604
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 6: to get their attention. And then the thing, the worst

605
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 6: thing she says, they realize their back on the air

606
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 6: and everyone's like haha, and they have to read the

607
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 6: teleprompter and figure it out, and then after they go

608
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 6: and have this emotional conversation where she can be like,

609
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 6: I'm so sorry, I've been so stressed, and I've been

610
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 6: trying to talk to you, and Jerry's been trying to

611
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 6: talk to you, and no one knows what to do.

612
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 6: Like it could have been the same amount of time

613
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 6: and the same number of scenes, but but the on

614
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 6: air incident.

615
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: Everything had to be on eleven all yeah time, the

616
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: on air incident could have been an accident, and everything

617
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: could everything could have felt more like these people and

618
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: suddenly like the nicest girl we all know is screaming

619
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: at her boyfriend, like it doesn't make any sense.

620
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: What show? That's what I just felt like. My notes were, like,

621
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: what show is this? I don't know what watching. Yeah,

622
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: everybody had great hair, though the hair in the episode

623
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: was unbelievable, even yours, Rob, everybody had great Another.

624
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 4: Memory I have from this was Paul was directing it,

625
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 4: and at this time, you know, Paul was always kind

626
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 4: of intimidating to me, and I think part of that

627
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 4: was also though, because I knew he was a good actor,

628
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 4: and he was one of the very few directors who

629
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 4: actually cared about performance, and I remember him basically telling

630
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 4: me like he was like getting your body, like be

631
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 4: be clear, Like I know you can sort of walk

632
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 4: through this, but what does it look like if you

633
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 4: like really connect to it. And I remember being so

634
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 4: frustrated because at the heart of it, I didn't know

635
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 4: what the hell with Clay was doing. Yeah, so it

636
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 4: wasn't so much that my unwillingness or unability to connect

637
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 4: to the character. I genuinely didn't know what Clay was doing,

638
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 4: but am I remorse, Well, do I know what I'm doing?

639
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 4: And I was getting frustrated with Paul. I was getting

640
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 4: frusher at the situation, but it was sort of directed

641
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 4: at Paul, and I think he was probably frush with me.

642
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 4: And at one point when we're shooting that beach scene,

643
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 4: he uh, he could probably tell I was getting frustrated,

644
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 4: and he and the classic Paul He was like, hey, man,

645
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 4: if you're mad, tell me to go off. And I

646
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 4: was like, hey, Paul, why don't you go stand behind

647
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 4: the fucking camera and call action as like an exercise.

648
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 4: Of course, I've never spoken to anyone like that, but

649
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 4: I was like, listen, you're pissing me off. If you're

650
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 4: gonna give me permission, I'm gonna take it. But it

651
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 4: was this cool. It was just it was a nice

652
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 4: wake up call for me that, like, because you were

653
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 4: saying so nine seasons you you are able to sort

654
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 4: of show up and know what needs to be nailed,

655
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 4: what beats need to be hit. You kind of know

656
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 4: the flow and the sound of it. But Paul just

657
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 4: kind of came in just this wake up call of like,

658
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 4: but but can you do more? Even though I didn't

659
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 4: really understand what was happening with Clay. So I was

660
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 4: frustrated because I wanted to do more, but I just

661
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: genuinely didn't know what was happening.

662
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: And it's not like it was an environment we were

663
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: invited to ask a bunch of questions and dive into

664
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: our characters figure stuck out.

665
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 4: No, not to mention that this story came in with

666
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 4: zero warning, you know, it was it made no sense

667
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 4: to me.

668
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 6: Did you get any heads up or any explanation at all?

669
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 4: No?

670
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 7: No.

671
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 4: I just kind of called our bos and was like, Hi,

672
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 4: just read this script, huh And he was like, yes,

673
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 4: it's good, right, And this is obviously me pre like

674
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 4: therapy and stuff. So I was just like, okay, have

675
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 4: a good one, like thank you. Yeah, it was, it was.

676
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 4: There was a lot. Yeah, so there was a lot

677
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 4: that was going on that was frustrating and confusing about

678
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 4: this for me. But the wake up call was just

679
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 4: it's easy to sort of get comfortable on a series,

680
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 4: you know, and you know what you're sort of supposed

681
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 4: to do when you just play in that lane and

682
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 4: not that you're not trying, but you can't operate from

683
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 4: a place of kind of autopilot, but you know, you

684
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 4: know it works. You have your bag of tricks, and

685
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 4: Paul was just there to challenge me, going cool, I've

686
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 4: seen your bag of tricks. I think there's more can

687
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 4: you show me? And it was just a nice wake

688
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 4: up call to have another performer go hey, man, keep

689
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 4: keep growing, keep doing yeah, keep exploring. And so even

690
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 4: though you care, yes, we all care. And even though

691
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 4: I didn't feel like we found it in this one,

692
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 4: because like I said, I just genuinely didn't know what

693
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 4: the hell I was actually playing, it was a good

694
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 4: reminder for me that I took with me of like

695
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 4: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, like I need to I need

696
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 4: to stay vigilant and stay curious and find, you know,

697
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 4: new ways to be, to be different with Clay, you know,

698
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 4: and to just explore and play.

699
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 6: That's really great and I think it's it's important to

700
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 6: be reminded of that as an artist. You know, it's

701
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 6: easy to look around at people that work in the

702
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 6: industry and think, oh, they know exactly what they're doing,

703
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 6: and the irony of what we do is that it's

704
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 6: unknown and brand new. Every time. Every time you go

705
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 6: on a new set, you're starting over. Every time you

706
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 6: start a new movie, you're starting from zero. And one

707
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 6: of the disservices that happens to people to your point,

708
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 6: Rob on a long running network show is you learn

709
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 6: the technical stuff to the point that it can get

710
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 6: in the way of the artistry, Like, you know, how

711
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 6: little time we have. You know we're losing the light.

712
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 6: You know that you got Sometimes you get the script

713
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 6: five days before the episode starts shooting, and sometimes you

714
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 6: get it the night before. And either way you're expected

715
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 6: to do your job and to have someone like Paul

716
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 6: be your ally. When you're getting nothing from your writers,

717
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 6: you're getting no explanation for this thing that makes no

718
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 6: sense for your character. And without saying it, what he's

719
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 6: basically saying is yeah, they're not going to help you

720
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 6: right now, but you can help yourself. Like, if you

721
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 6: don't know why Clay is doing something, you have to

722
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 6: figure it out, and you get to the irony is

723
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 6: you get to make it up, whether it relates to

724
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 6: anything or not. You can still tell a true story

725
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 6: in this moment, and a lot of TV directors aren't

726
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 6: going to take the time to do that with you

727
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 6: because they also know they're losing the light and they're

728
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 6: in a panic.

729
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 5: And to get that.

730
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: It's a unique problem to television, I think because theater

731
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 2: and film you already have the whole story, you have plenty.

732
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 4: Of time, and with television you have directors who just

733
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 4: want to get asked back yeah, you know, And so

734
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 4: what happens largely is like they're just there to try

735
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 4: to make their days. They're a hired gun, and they

736
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 4: also don't know the characters as well as we do,

737
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 4: so yeah, oftentimes it is just like, let's just make

738
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 4: this day. And at the time I felt like I

739
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 4: was almost being antagonized. I realized, of course, as I

740
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 4: got older, that he was challenging me in a healthy way.

741
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 4: It wasn't a pissing match and even him telling me, hey, man,

742
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 4: if you're mad at me, tell me to screw off.

743
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 4: What he was doing was he was trying to get

744
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 4: me to connect to my feelings.

745
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, give you permission to be angry or confused.

746
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly it And so it was. It was very smart.

747
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 4: He handled it so well. But that was for an

748
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 4: episode that I was I didn't love that experience of

749
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 4: working with him was the highlight for me.

750
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 5: I love that. That's really special.

751
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 4: We got to talk about speaking of boomerangs, let's just

752
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 4: go from that to Chris Keller saying he can do

753
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 4: it all in Karen's cafe, talk about good direction to

754
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 4: cutting immediately to one of the funniest screams I've ever

755
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 4: heard an adult man make in my life at a

756
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 4: small fire in the kitchen. Yeah it was perfect.

757
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was.

758
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 6: Perfect, and metaphorically especially after the hat on a hat

759
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 6: of all the girls in the office and then him

760
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 6: hitting on Quinn and being like I'll be whatever you

761
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 6: need a shoulder to cry on revenge sex.

762
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: Oh, and then being like this mentor to Chock like yeah,

763
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: I'm the coolest.

764
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll help you out, little guy, and then the

765
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 6: shrieking and it's a saucepan.

766
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 4: It's not even it's not a big deal. It's not

767
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 4: a greasefire that's out of control. No, it's contained. It's

768
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 4: just like a.

769
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 6: Little it's a little all clad pan. You're fine, And

770
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 6: it's so it's such a nice way to shoot holes

771
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 6: in his bravado immediately and it Yeah, see that's that's

772
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 6: a good writing device.

773
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: Yes, so smart. I also did you notice the song Chase,

774
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: the song he did the toaster shrutele Melody.

775
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 4: Yes, that was funny.

776
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

777
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 4: Their stuff, Yeah, man, their stuff is interesting. I like

778
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 4: where it's going because it's an unlikely friendship. But yeah,

779
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 4: the Chris Keller ride always kind of keeps surprising you.

780
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 4: I guess that's just sort of how it goes, huh,

781
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 4: because there were some extreme in this episode.

782
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can just sort of be inserted into any

783
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 2: situation and it seems to work.

784
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 5: He really can.

785
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 6: And what I like about the seesaw of who Chris

786
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 6: Keller is is he can be the worst and then

787
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 6: the best him. He's the only person who could have

788
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 6: said to Chase that girl was never going to stick around.

789
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 5: She was living in a hotel.

790
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 6: And you see the light bulbs go off of like, oh, yeah,

791
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 6: she'd been here for years and never left a hotel.

792
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 6: People don't do that if they're moving somewhere, and nobody

793
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 6: had been able to point it out. And it's such

794
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 6: a in a weird way, it's a low blow and

795
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 6: it's a gift at the same time. And that is

796
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 6: exactly who Chris Keller is in one person.

797
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 5: He is the best and the absolute worst.

798
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 4: Yes, which is a credit to Tyler that he nails

799
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 4: both of those. Yeah, so lovable Chuck adopting the Chris

800
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 4: Keller cosplay, the.

801
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: Full outfit, so cute, the hair, the whole, the glasses,

802
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: all of it. Poor Chase can't catch a break with

803
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: that kid.

804
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 6: Poor Chase. And I love that Chuck not only being

805
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 6: obsessed with Chris Keller is tormenting Chase, but he's tormenting Julian.

806
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 5: He's like, this is stupid, Like.

807
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 6: He just he just eviscerates the men in his life

808
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 6: at every turn.

809
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 4: Sad.

810
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Julian though for second, because that moment, this,

811
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna say it early that he gets

812
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 2: my honorable mention.

813
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 5: Because he.

814
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 2: I gotta say, I'm watching that thinking Okay, again, what

815
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 2: episode is this? Like, there's just we're all over the

816
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: place and now Austin's standing in an empty soundstage reciting Goonies.

817
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: But and it's a credit of Paul too again that

818
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: he wasn't just like just speed through it, this is dumb.

819
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: He was like, no, if we're doing this, we're doing it.

820
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: And he actually Austin gave a real honest performance. I

821
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: was sucked in. I was like, do the rest of it, like,

822
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 2: I want to hear all of it. I'm there, I'm

823
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: here with you. And it was like and also the

824
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: irony that yet again another example of our creator trying

825
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: to emasculate Austin slash Julian by having him do this

826
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: really stupid thing and then all the kids are watching him.

827
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: Hah hah. Yeah, well, joke's on you, because all it

828
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: does is make him look like interesting and soulful and

829
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: creative and I just want to be this guy's friend.

830
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's so charming.

831
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 6: And the fact that it's the Goonies, it's like it's

832
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 6: what everyone you know in our age bracket loved as

833
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 6: a kid, and he's so in it. And you think

834
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 6: he's so in it because he's losing his mind because

835
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 6: he's trapped alone in a sound stage, like in a warehouse.

836
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 6: And then Paul's direction pans the camera around.

837
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 5: Him with Miss Lawren's entire class. So he's doing it.

838
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 6: I go one man play it's so charming and then

839
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 6: it's so funny. And I had the exact same note.

840
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 6: I was like, God, every time they try to ding Austin,

841
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 6: they just make him the most charming, adorable person.

842
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it didn't even look like he was. I

843
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: didn't even take it like he was losing his mind.

844
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: I just took it like, oh, this is just an artist.

845
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: He's an artist that's lost in his art for a moment.

846
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: He's just enjoying his own company. It's like, I'm so

847
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: on board with this guy.

848
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it.

849
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 6: I loved it also in that scene, Sorry, we can

850
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 6: keep talking about Julian, but who's baby is miss Lauren having?

851
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 4: Right?

852
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was pretty new.

853
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 4: When it revealed that she was pregnant.

854
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 6: I was like, oh my god, oh my god, I

855
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 6: don't know. I don't remember this.

856
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I gotta say I think because I did the

857
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 4: same thing where I didn't actually notice visually that she

858
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 4: was pregnant. My brain just went, no, she got pregnant

859
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 4: at the finale of last season, so she's and so

860
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 4: I went back and looked and realized you can tell

861
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 4: if you look. But I think the idea was they

862
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 4: kept her in the background of the shot, and then

863
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 4: when she's walking away there's sort of a lot of

864
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 4: kids in front of her eyes. I think their goal

865
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 4: was to just not make it obvious, to not have

866
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 4: to address it.

867
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 6: I'm remembering in this moment too. Of of course, Alison

868
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 6: was actually pregnant.

869
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what you're saying. She got pregnant. She was

870
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: in Puerto Rico. She found out she was pregnant.

871
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,479
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, sorry Alison, not miss Lauren.

872
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 5: I was yesing about yeah, oh oh yeah yeah.

873
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 6: My brain is like, oh right, of course, split story

874
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 6: versus reality.

875
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but we don't even yeah, who's she

876
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: with now, we don't know any of it. I guess

877
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: you're right they were trying to hide it. I notice

878
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: it right away, but yeah, I don't know. Maybe girls

879
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: noticed that stuff at their friends.

880
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 4: Before we get into the really heavy stuff. I do

881
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 4: want to say one of my favorite lines of the

882
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 4: episode came in the strip club when you hear Chris

883
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 4: Keller telling the the stripper about about how we got

884
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 4: left and all the pains, and I'm watching it going,

885
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, that's crazy. That's just like Chase. That's wild.

886
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 4: And then I realized, oh no, he's co opting Chase's story.

887
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 4: And then it just she leaves and it pans over

888
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 4: to Chase and he says, you used my pain for

889
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 4: a free lap dance. I thought that was so funny.

890
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 5: It was great.

891
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: God, Okay, well wait, Brooke and her dad, I want

892
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: to talk about that for a minute too, because that

893
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: felt it was really I mean, it's sad, but it

894
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 2: was a nice It felt it felt necessary for us

895
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: understanding more about Book's dad and the connection of her

896
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: longing to have that relationship.

897
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 4: It was.

898
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: It was just a nice tacking on because it all

899
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: we've ever done is heard about her father. We saw

900
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 2: the moment in the church where she was really happy

901
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: to see him and he showed up super late, and

902
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: it's just I felt like we needed a little bit

903
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: more explanation of actually how this dynamic has continued to

904
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: go down over the years.

905
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 6: Yes, and it couldn't just be late to the church,

906
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 6: late to their brunch. I loved that she continues repeating

907
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 6: her logic to Victoria, saying, look, you changed, I'm going

908
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 6: to give him a chance. And you know, he's shown

909
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 6: up and he's done this, he's got an investor and

910
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 6: all these things, and she's really excited that she's going

911
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 6: to go. I mean, it's wish fulfillment from childhood, right,

912
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 6: She's going to go play a game with her dad.

913
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 6: And then she gets there and they've already played, and

914
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 6: when she gets handed that scorecard. I didn't remember that detail.

915
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 6: And I'm watching myself in a scene and I felt

916
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 6: like I got sucker punched when I saw that. Yeah,

917
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 6: I was like, man, that's heavy, and it's such a

918
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 6: great device. That is good writing. The thing is communicated

919
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 6: without anyone having to say it, and it allows you

920
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 6: to feel it. And I thought that that was really

921
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 6: well done.

922
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 4: And so I have a question with that. There wasn't

923
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 4: It wasn't that Brooke was learning any new information in

924
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 4: that moment. It was just putting an exclamation point at

925
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 4: the end of the sentence of her being left out right.

926
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, It's like she gets there and is like, wait,

927
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 6: my dad's here with four guys. She was thinking, I'm

928
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 6: going to play a round of golf with my dad

929
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 6: and then maybe meet this investor person. And she gets

930
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 6: there to all these men wondering what's going on. They're

931
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 6: already done, they can't be done. Maybe they're what's happening here?

932
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 6: And then when the guy hands her the scorecard, she

933
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 6: knows like, oh, you've played rounds of golf already.

934
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 2: Y'all have been here for a long time.

935
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

936
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 6: You never intended to include me or teach me something.

937
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 6: And I'm I've just shown up here in this outfit

938
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 6: with a set of clubs. Like, how humiliated.

939
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with our relationship. You're not

940
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: involved or interested in that at all.

941
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 4: And how sad that at the end of it, when

942
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 4: he's getting into his car, he was like, this was

943
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 4: the perfect day.

944
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: Out, so brutal. Yeah, yeah, well you did a great job.

945
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: That was just hard. It was hard to see, Yeah,

946
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 2: but so well done.

947
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 4: And then then this is We've had a lot of

948
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 4: these moments in this podcast where we have a new experience,

949
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 4: you know, as an adult or as a parent, and

950
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 4: that that was the case with the end of this episode.

951
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 4: Even knowing what was coming, Yeah, man, this was a rough,

952
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 4: rough one.

953
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: Paul did a great job making sure that there was

954
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 2: no foreshadowing, no hint, was just you just assumed that.

955
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 2: I mean even in the scene between the two of

956
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: you guys, it was almost a throwaway like okay, you

957
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: could drop him ari right, blah blah blah. But it

958
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 2: was enough that you heard it, you didn't miss it.

959
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: It wasn't so small that you just skipped by it.

960
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 2: So you knew he was supposed to do that. And

961
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 2: the next time you see him, if you just figure, oh,

962
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 2: he's already, he's already just done it. Storyline is about

963
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: Julian right ye, getting the studio. It was a really

964
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 2: well edded, like well cut together and edit is in directed.

965
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you don't see it coming. And to your point,

966
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 6: Joy Austin, I'll spoiler alert too. He's absolutely my honorable

967
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 6: mention in this episode because he plays all of the

968
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 6: scenes leading up to it so well. The anxiety in

969
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 6: the stage is the nervousness about what's going to happen,

970
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 6: and we know this thing has fallen through. Then he

971
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 6: gets this phone call. He doesn't want to seem desperate. Yeah,

972
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 6: not that he has to say that, but we the

973
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 6: audience see him flipping through the completely empty date book,

974
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 6: trying to sound like things are going great, and then saying, yeah, today, wonderful.

975
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 6: He runs home and when he comes in, you can

976
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 6: see on his face that he's doing something in his head.

977
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 6: And in my brain, I was like, oh, he's thinking

978
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 6: about timing. He's running his to do list. Brooke says

979
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 6: something to him, and Austin makes such a great choice

980
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 6: as Julian where she asks him a question and you

981
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 6: can tell it didn't register, so he looks up and

982
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 6: stops what he's doing in his brain. She says, the

983
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 6: only thing worse than one sick baby, He says, two

984
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 6: sick babies. Now they're on the same page. And the

985
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 6: next time you see him, he's running what you saw

986
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 6: him doing silently in that scene out loud at the ATM.

987
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 6: We have this, and we have this, and here's the stats,

988
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 6: and here's the square footage, and here's what we can

989
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 6: give you here, and so you understand that his brain

990
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 6: is elsewhere in such an authentic way. It was just

991
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 6: so well done. And hats off to him and hats

992
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 6: off to Paul. They clearly had conversations about how to

993
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 6: communicate this stuff well and they really really executed it.

994
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: I agreed, agree, Oh yeah, and.

995
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 6: Then he goes to buy the nice Scotch to like

996
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 6: woo the people because clearly that's something he learned from

997
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 6: his dad, and like, oh, then everything's just horrible.

998
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 4: And it's also just so relatable as a parent that

999
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 4: you're when you're constantly doing at least two things at once,

1000
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 4: your mind is rarely where your body is, you know,

1001
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 4: and like he runs in the house and it's like,

1002
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 4: puts a baby down, Hi, picks a baby up, leaves it. Yeah,

1003
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 4: So it's it's just it's one of those things where

1004
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 4: like this is horrible, horrible, and I also understand it,

1005
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 4: like he's yeah, he's got so many plates spinning well.

1006
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 6: And there's little details too that I know now that

1007
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 6: we all know now that we didn't know then. But

1008
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 6: even the fact that the boys are young enough that

1009
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 6: their car seats are rear facing, yeah, and that the

1010
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 6: baby was in the car seat behind the driver, and

1011
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 6: that's what happens when you have two kids. One's behind

1012
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 6: the driver and you can't see them, and the other

1013
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 6: you can kind of glance over behind the passenger seat.

1014
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 6: So the baby's in the rear facing seat behind the

1015
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 6: driver so he can't see him, and if the baby

1016
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 6: was sleeping like it really reminded me of a moment

1017
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 6: a friend of mine talked about, and I won't say who,

1018
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 6: but talking about when their baby was four months old,

1019
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 6: same exact thing, rear facing seat behind the driver. This

1020
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 6: person stopped at the grocery store on the way home,

1021
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 6: like they do all the time, and talked about walking

1022
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 6: into the grocery store, getting a cart to pick up

1023
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 6: the food to make the dinner for the kids, and realizing,

1024
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 6: oh my god, the baby's in the car and running

1025
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 6: back out and it was probably three minutes and thank

1026
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 6: god it was winter, it wasn't hot. But my friend

1027
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 6: was so traumatized by it that for the next year,

1028
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 6: every single time they went anywhere, like if they if

1029
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 6: they were doing something, if they were parking and getting

1030
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 6: something out of the trunk of the car, this person

1031
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 6: told me they would take one of the baby's shoes

1032
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 6: off and hold it until they were done setting up

1033
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 6: the thing with all the car doors open, and then

1034
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 6: get the baby out and put the shoe back on.

1035
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 6: And after months all of us were like, you're okay,

1036
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 6: you don't you probably don't need.

1037
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 4: To like do that.

1038
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 6: That seems like a that seems like a real thing

1039
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 6: you're torturing yourself with, but it's so human.

1040
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's human. And when the.

1041
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: Phone your phone call comes in, your phone call comes in,

1042
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 2: and it feels it still just feels so normal. Everything

1043
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: feels totally fine. And then the words come out of

1044
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 2: your mouth that daycare called and said, you never dropped off?

1045
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 2: Is it Baker, sorry, not Baker? Which son was it?

1046
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 6: I don't remember if it was Jude or Davis.

1047
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: Jude or Davis. Okay, I think it was Davis. But anyway,

1048
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 2: you never dropped him off, And like everything inside me,

1049
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 2: I knew what was coming, and I still had this

1050
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 2: internal gasp of oh my gosh, I never saw that

1051
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 2: coming either, which is so great that you want the

1052
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 2: audience to feel the same way that Julian feels.

1053
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 4: Yes, because you're on you're with him, Like you said,

1054
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 4: it's you feel like you're watching Julian's story, specifically his

1055
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 4: business and this big opportunity. So yeah, we're.

1056
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: Just waiting for the guys to show up for him

1057
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 2: to like make the meeting, to do the meeting, Yeah,

1058
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: the deal and close the deal.

1059
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 4: And even knowing how this unfolds. I still I was,

1060
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 4: I was, I was letting my I was forgetting as

1061
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 4: well because I was doing. Yeah, here are the talking points.

1062
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 4: He got the cash, he's buying the fancy booze. It's like,

1063
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 4: oh it was. It was very very well crafted and

1064
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 4: unfortunately very effective because it just left me with a

1065
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 4: not in my stomach.

1066
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll see what happens in the next one.

1067
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 2: I'm I mean, I know in general, but interesting to

1068
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 2: watch how it was actually cut together.

1069
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 5: And the way they.

1070
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 6: Set the scene when he comes around the corner and

1071
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 6: you see the glass, and then you see it on

1072
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 6: the car seat, and then you see it on the ground,

1073
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 6: and then you see the bystanders, and then you see

1074
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 6: the ambulance and you see a stretcher, and then more bystanders,

1075
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 6: and everyone's looking and everyone's judging in it, and you

1076
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 6: just realize how bad it is. Somebody saw that baby

1077
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 6: in that car couldn't get in. They decided to call

1078
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 6: for help. Like you see every detail land on him,

1079
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 6: back and forth and back and forth.

1080
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: Even the disappointment in the face of the guy closing

1081
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: the door of the ambulance. It was so subtle but like,

1082
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 2: and I'm sure it wasn't even intentional. It was just

1083
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: some guy that was shutting the door of the ambulance.

1084
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: But he had this look on his face that was like, Oh,

1085
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Speaker 2: what a shame. This is terrible, this is terror.

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Speaker 6: And the woman, the woman with that dark bob looking

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00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 6: around like, oh, who could've done this?

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Speaker 4: You know, you just it.

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Speaker 6: They just poured gasoline on that shame fire. It was

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Speaker 6: so well done.

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Speaker 4: And you know what I found myself fixating on was

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Speaker 4: the fact that he had a bottle of booze in

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Speaker 4: his hand, and the optics of that it was weird.

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Speaker 4: My first thought was, you got to set that bottle

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00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 4: down behind car that's right next to you. You can't

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00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 4: show up to this with booze. Even though I know

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00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 4: he's not an alcoholic, He's not drunk that day, Nothing

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Speaker 4: doesn't matter. The optics are so horrible that you can't

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Speaker 4: show up to leaving your baby in the car carrying

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Speaker 4: a bottle of whiskey like CPS will be all with

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00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 4: you get say goodbye to your child if that happens.

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Speaker 6: This is also one of the things I find so

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Speaker 6: interesting and what makes me so grateful to be part

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Speaker 6: of this weird circus.

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Speaker 5: We're all in.

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00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 6: You know, if you had seen man leaves baby in

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00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 6: car blah blah on Twitter, short form, post some something online,

1108
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 6: the how dare him?

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00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: Kim?

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Speaker 6: He's the worst dad? Oh my god, the discourse we

1111
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 6: would be judging, everyone would be judging. It would blow

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00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 6: up somewhere. And the amazing thing about TV and film

1113
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 6: is you get to know someone and you don't lose

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00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 6: sight of their humanity when they make a mistake or

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00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 6: they fail. You root for people despite you know, we

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00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 6: love we love Brooke, we love.

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00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 5: Peyton, we love Lucas.

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00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 6: If we had read the TLDR about that love triangle

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00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 6: and that betrayal, we would hate them. And it's like,

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Speaker 6: I don't know, there's something really special. I think about

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00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 6: being able to represent things on camera that can encourage

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00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 6: us to take a breath and be a little more

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Speaker 6: graceful with other people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good storytelling all time.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And even that thing of being like you got

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00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 6: to get rid of that man because we know you,

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00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 6: but we know how it's gonna look like. That's so

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00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 6: generous And I think I'm really touched by it because

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00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 6: it feels like the world is less and less generous

1130
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 6: these days, everything is like quick and horrible.

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00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 5: And mean, and I don't know.

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00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 6: I love being part of something that lets our people

1133
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 6: be so human even when they fail, Even when parts

1134
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 6: of the episode are so bad, I'm still like man

1135
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 6: art does.

1136
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 5: Good things for people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, also to I have to call myself out. The

1139
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 6: last thing that is in my list is all the

1140
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 6: details of this scene, and then I go interesting. This

1141
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 6: is an episode of man fails. All the men fail.

1142
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 6: Mouth is fat and failing, Julian is apparently a drunk

1143
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 6: even though he's not and failing. The only man who

1144
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 6: doesn't fail in this episode is Dan Scott's Chris Keller.

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Speaker 2: Did he ever fail?

1146
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 4: But even Chris is a mess in the kitchen he

1147
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 4: was a monster, That's true, That's true, He's a fail.

1148
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 6: He almost burns the cafe down, Clay's buying drugs like,

1149
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 6: all of the men are unhinged, and the only man

1150
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 6: who doesn't fail is damn Scott. Yeah, and still we

1151
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 6: have to set a boundary.

1152
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 4: There was ever a time for the female characters in

1153
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 4: Wontrey Hill to just leave their significant others and start

1154
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 4: like a new life on a compound or you know,

1155
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 4: start a coming. Yeah, it was this episode.

1156
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh man, it is so funny to me.

1157
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 2: All right, we have a user question. Oh, Isabelle's asking

1158
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 2: if you've ever been a part of a storyline that

1159
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 2: resonated so deeply with you that you found yourself wishing

1160
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 2: it could happen in real life for you. Oh thanks Isabella.

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01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 5: Wow.

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01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 2: I mean, who doesn't want a Nathan and Haley kind

1163
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 2: of relationship? Who doesn't want to just love that lasts

1164
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 2: for so long, kids are happy and healthy. Okay, there's

1165
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 2: the occasional kidnapping by the serbian moment, but you know, overall,

1166
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 2: I would say that's a big winner.

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01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good one.

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01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 4: Yeah. I have to say from my experience on One

1169
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 4: Tree Hill, no, Clay has a lot of not so

1170
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 4: great things. Yeah, there have been other ones. I'm like,

1171
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 4: this would be fun, but Clay.

1172
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 2: You want Clay's car.

1173
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, if anything will take Clay's happy ending,

1174
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 4: I know where Clay eventually gets. Yeah, so I would,

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01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 4: I will. I'll take you know, contentment and fulfillment with

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01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 4: his his wife and his child.

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01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 6: I feel like you built that for yourself. I did

1179
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 6: think you and Jenny really have done that.

1180
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, so sweet?

1181
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 5: Oh, it makes me want to cry.

1182
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 4: How about you? So you know, even though.

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01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 6: It's really weird, I have a I have a big

1184
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 6: swing on how I feel about Brook's journey into being

1185
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 6: a mom because I love I love that we were

1186
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 6: talking in like twenty ten, twenty eleven on a hit

1187
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 6: TV show about how hard it can be for some

1188
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 6: people to start a family, Like even now, so much

1189
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 6: of the conversation around fertility and miscarriage and all of

1190
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 6: these things is very stigmatized. I mean, my god, like

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01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 6: you look at even what's happening like with the law

1192
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 6: and the way we like punish women and families. It's

1193
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 6: it's hard. And I feel really proud that basically fifteen

1194
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 6: years ago we chose to talk about this on the show,

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01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 6: and it makes me sad that we also like cartoonified

1196
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 6: it in the end. And it was like she could

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01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 6: never do it, and then she did it, nobody knows how,

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Speaker 6: and not only did she do.

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Speaker 4: It, she got two babies.

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Speaker 6: Like we we started to really have a serious conversation,

1201
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 6: and then we like we buttoned it up in a

1202
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 6: way that felt a little too squeaky clean to me,

1203
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 6: and I know to a lot of women it's it's

1204
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 6: been pretty profound to have so many people share their

1205
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 6: the depth of their fertility journeys with me. It's like

1206
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Speaker 6: one of the things that I am the most grateful

1207
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 6: for about having played Brooke Davis. So it's weird. It's like,

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Speaker 6: I want everyone in whatever way it works for them,

1209
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Speaker 6: whether they finally get there with IVF, whether they adopt,

1210
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 6: whether whether they become you know, aunties or uncles to

1211
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Speaker 6: someone like, however life gives you the family that you want.

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Speaker 6: I want that for everyone, and I feel I feel

1213
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 6: like it's both I feel so proud of that storyline

1214
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 6: and I wish we'd been a little more truthful about

1215
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 6: it and even getting Brooke to the point that she

1216
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 6: has these two little boys with Julian. I wish we

1217
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 6: really are understood more of it, but I also know

1218
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 6: that we couldn't because we thought season eight was going

1219
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Speaker 6: to be the end, so we did our whole pregnancy

1220
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Speaker 6: in one episode.

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Speaker 4: So it's like, I love it, and I.

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Speaker 6: Wish we'd leaned into to the honesty of it a

1223
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 6: little more because I know how much it's meant to

1224
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 6: so many people, myself included, to have done it at all,

1225
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Speaker 6: And I you know, if I got to be the writer,

1226
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 6: or if I got to know that we were going

1227
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 6: to actually do these thirteen episodes of season nine, I

1228
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 6: would have wanted us to tell a little bit more

1229
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 6: of the truth about that.

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Speaker 4: Both and yes, you know, well a week, let's do it.

1231
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 5: What are we going to get today?

1232
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 4: Most likely to get caught sneaking into a concert?

1233
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 5: Real, I don't know.

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01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 2: Get caught, not just to sneak in, but get caught

1235
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 2: sneaking in.

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01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 4: Oh, if it's get caught, I'm going to say, yeah.

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01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:03,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure?

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01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 6: That tracks yeah, yeah, because I'm like Peyton probably snuck

1239
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 6: into a million concerts. She wasn't getting caught. She always

1240
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 6: looked like she was supposed to be there.

1241
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1242
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 2: And character Chris Keller, for sure is getting caught sneaking in.

1243
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a point.

1244
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then it ends up hooking up with the

1245
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 4: cop who arrested him. Totally. All right, gang join us

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Speaker 4: next week for season nine, episode four, don't you want

1247
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 4: to share the guilt? Here we go, We'll see.

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1249
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