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Here and you 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: don't want to miss Hello Somebody with Senator Nina Turner 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: on the Black Effect Podcast Network. I love Hello Somebody 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: simply because I love Nina Turner. She's fearless. I'm Nina Turner, 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: hell raising, humanitarian, sister in the struggle and recovering elected official. 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: Listen to Hello Somebody every Thursday on the Heart Radio 15 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: at Apple podcast or ever you get your podcast. Welcome 16 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: to Money Making Conversation. I'm your host, Rashan McDonald. I 17 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: said this every episode. It's time to stop reading other 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: people's success stories and start writing your own. People always 19 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: talk about gifts and passion. If you have a gift, 20 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: lead with your gift and don't let your age, friends, family, 21 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: or co workers stop you from planning or living your dreams. 22 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: I interview celebrities, CEOs, entrepreneurs, and industry decision makers on 23 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: my show all the time. My guest is Dr Tony Evans. 24 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: He is the founder and senior pastor of Oak Cliff 25 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: Bible Fellowship in Dallas, Texas. You know they said, how 26 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: about them Cowboys, Founder and president of the Urban Alternative 27 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: and author over one hundred books, booklets and Bible stops. 28 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: He's one of the first African American to earn a 29 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: doctorate of the Theology from Dallas Theological Seminary, and he 30 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: has become one of the both twelve most effective preachers 31 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: in the English speaking World by Baylor University. DC. Evans 32 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: holds the honor of writing and publishing their first full 33 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: Bible commentary and study. But African American, that's impressive. Pastor 34 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: Tony Evans and his family this is why he's on 35 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: the show. Shares moments from their tour of Israel and 36 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: the upcoming documentary Journey with Jesus, when they retraced the 37 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: steps of our Savior. Dr Tony Evers is on the 38 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: show to discuss this new film and it's in conjunction 39 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: with Phantom Event Releases. This limited theaters nowhere with fifteen 40 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: through the seventeen. It is filmed on site in Israel. 41 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: It's a new documentary. Please welcome to Money Conversation. For 42 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: the very first time I've had his family on the show, 43 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about that. Dr Tony Evans, how 44 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: you doing, sir? Hello, gonna be with you. Well, the 45 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: beauty of having you on your show because I always 46 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: try to do a little research first on later. Everybody know, 47 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Journey with Jesus. I I I 48 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: called that a visual sermon, sir. That's what was my takeaway. 49 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: It is. It's the opening and I'm not gonna give 50 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: away the details of the of the documentary, but the 51 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: but I can't share the emotion of the documentary Journey 52 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: with Jesus is that, you know, like I said, you 53 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: know I was I'm born and raised in Houston, Texas. 54 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: And when I first moved to New York, I you know, 55 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: I knew about Broadway, I knew about you know, the 56 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: Statue of Liberty. When I saw it, it had an 57 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: emotion to me. When I saw the Empire State Building. 58 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: It had an emotion to me when I moved to 59 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: Los Angeles and I walked down and so the Chinese 60 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: Man Theater, and so the Hollywood Walk of Fame, and 61 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: then the Santa Monica Beaches. It is so resonated in 62 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: my life that it had an emotional pool to me, 63 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: and I went wow, I didn't realize how much it's 64 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: had an effect on me. And I only say that 65 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: because being a man who preaches the Word of God 66 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: and then it shares these blessings and come in some words, 67 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: allows us to understand these blessings by through your teachings, 68 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: going to Israel has to have an amazing emotional pool 69 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: to you. Correct, well, absolutely. In fact, what we're trying 70 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: to do is get people to join me and the 71 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: experience that I and my family had when we were there. 72 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you're watching the Bible come off the page 73 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: of scripture and become a living experience in your life. 74 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: It's one thing to know about the Lord, it's another 75 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: thing to experience the Lord. And this this documentary was 76 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: designed to bring people into a visual experience of the Lord, 77 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,119 Speaker 1: where he did what he did, where he lived, where 78 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: he demonstrated his glory where he did his miracles, where 79 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: he taught his lessons, so that you are entering into 80 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: the moment and it becomes a dynamic reality rather than 81 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: a theoretical informational session. Well, you know, it's like one 82 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: of my favorite shows of TV is Aerial America. You 83 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: know that show that shows the world from a visual Uh. 84 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: From that ten thousand square feet high air you looked out, 85 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: you get a perspective the power of of of of 86 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: the world that we don't appreciate sometimes. And when I 87 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: went from the very opening, I went wow, I felt 88 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: a strong presence to this series. What was what was 89 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: the story you was trying to tell visually? Dr Tony 90 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: Evans with Journey with Jesus, because there are two stories. 91 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: There's an oral story, but the visual story I think 92 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: played an important role to tell us about that. Well, 93 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: what we tried to do is combine the sites with 94 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: the sound. You know, when you look at the TV, 95 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: you don't just want to hear the hear the sound. 96 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: You want to picture, but you don't want to picture 97 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: without the sounds. We want to excite and sound. So 98 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: what we tried to do with Show Where Jesus was 99 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: what happened there give you the truth of scripture, while 100 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: we gave you the visual context of where that particular 101 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: passage or that particular truth took place. So you're seeing 102 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: what you're hearing and not just hearing what you're hearing. 103 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: And so we did that with each of the side. Eh. 104 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: Many people have never been to Israel uh, and you 105 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: can't go right now very easily, and so this way 106 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: they can they can go onto Jesus Journey and join us. 107 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: As we went on to Jesus Journey, we talked about 108 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: seven people with us who went on the journey with us. 109 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: But I thought was, but why limit this the seven hundred? 110 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: Why don't we film it so people who can't go 111 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: Heaven gone or need to need to go again can 112 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: can join the Evans clan in this journey. And so 113 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: it was an exciting thing to be able to give 114 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: people what we were seeing and let them see it 115 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: at the same time we were seeing it. Well, you know, 116 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: let's talk about that whole journey, because this is an emotion. 117 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: It was. It was funny when I watched it, you 118 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: always looked like you were stepping down into something. You 119 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: was always stepping down, you know. Is that the way 120 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: just the natural the natural architect or high everything is 121 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: laid out because you was always going down down, stepping 122 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: down into into some hollow chamber until some some room 123 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: or some some some space. So talk about that whole architecture. 124 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: Dr Tony Evans. Well, of course you have a lot 125 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: of rolling areas in the in the Holy Land, and 126 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: then of course in many places they built monuments to 127 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: what happened or what is believed to have happened on 128 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: that particular site. And in giving a space for people 129 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: to gather, they created steps for you to enter into 130 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: that area. Because over time things have been uh, things 131 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: have been built up. So this allows you to to 132 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: to to flow with the topilo feel the land, while 133 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: at the very same time being at a place where 134 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: you can gather large groups of people to hear the 135 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: teaching that's taking place. Uh. Relative to the site and 136 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: location in which you are focusing on. How many times 137 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: have you been there? Because I let's heard Priscilla said 138 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: one other time you win, and when you first said, 139 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: you came back and just told the family your experience 140 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: and all that time. How many times have you been 141 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: to Israel? Dr Tony Evans, I've been there about five 142 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: times we uh, we leave the group of semi regular 143 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: basistory throughout National Ministry, they have an alternative and uh, 144 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: people who want to go with us and hear the 145 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: teachings and see the sites and so so yeah, this 146 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: was but each time it's a fresh experience and each 147 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: time there is new inspiration that comes because you are you, 148 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: you know, you in the spot, you there, well you know, 149 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: I know it, you know that, Like I said that 150 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: when I when I think about it, I remember when 151 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: I was in New York. I was going up to 152 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: be a stand up comedian and I came. I was. 153 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: I came out of the subway of forty two, and 154 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: I came out of that subway knowing this is what 155 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to be, knowing this the place I wanted. 156 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: I just felt power. I felt this rush of emotion 157 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: that wow, I'm actually here and I'm fulfilling my dreams. 158 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: And so going to Israel for the very first time 159 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: for you had to be fulfilling the dream as well. 160 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: Dr Tony Evans talk to us about that very first 161 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 1: time because each time you you I see more, you know, 162 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: because things slow down. But that first time it's all 163 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: emotion and then you when you get back, you start 164 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: recollecting and say, I wish I would have done this. 165 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: Talk about that first time you'll visit to Israel, Well, 166 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: the first time is exciting anticipation because you know where 167 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: you're going, but you don't know all that you're gonna 168 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: see and you don't know how it will affect you. 169 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: But you know because you've never been that it is 170 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: something to look forward to. So there's great anticipation that 171 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: first time. So you kind of get hit with a 172 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: wall bang. You know you can you know, everything becomes 173 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: an aha moment when you're in the first experience. But 174 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: it's like studying the Bible. When you go back to 175 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: the passage that you've preached before, new things emerged that 176 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: you didn't see the first time you studied it or 177 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: preached from it. So the first time I visited Israel bam. 178 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: But now every time afterwards, I'm trying to go deeper, 179 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: see more experience more so that I can build on 180 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: top of that first time layers of excitement about who 181 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: Jesus is, what he did, and what he still can do. Right. 182 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: You know the interesting thing about because you know when 183 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: you talk about God, you talk about Jesus you talk 184 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: about anything that's historical or biblical. Television and movies have 185 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: their own versions of it, and so their own versions 186 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: can be big, overwhelming, and so like I remember when 187 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: I went to France and I went to London and 188 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: I started, I said, that's not that big. How many 189 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: people did it get in this little small area? Did 190 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: any of the any that the dimensions of the size 191 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: where events were held? Uh become understated When you actually 192 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: was their live, you went, wow, this is not what 193 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: I expected, but you still were inspired by it. Well, yeah, 194 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: number that. First of all, the land of Israel is 195 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 1: very compact. People are living very close together, you know. 196 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: You know, you you think you're gonna be driving a 197 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: long way and you're going across the street and you're 198 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: in a whole another another site, you know. Uh. So 199 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: so that is a lot of it in some places 200 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: of further than others, but a lot of it has 201 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: come back. So that that caught my attention. And then 202 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: when you look at the sites, for example, when we 203 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: went to Peter's house, because they are the architecture, uh, 204 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: and the archaeological digs came to Peter's Peter's home and 205 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: they were able to identify it. And so when you 206 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: when you went there and you saw what what a 207 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: house structure would look like back then, it you know, 208 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: and you didn't have a picture of that before. It 209 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: just says the Bible just tells you Peter's house. It 210 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: doesn't describe Peters house. So then you get to see it, 211 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it shows you how different 212 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: our lives are the day from what they were experiencing 213 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: back two thousand years ago. So yes, you you you 214 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: you get a lot of surprises. But because of the 215 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:06,479 Speaker 1: inspiration tied to the surprise, you are, you are invigorated, 216 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: a fresh you know, you know, interesting thing. I come 217 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: from Houston, Texas, like I said earlier, born in the 218 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: inner city, you know, a fifth ward, you know. And 219 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: so six sisters, two brothers. Father was a truck driver, 220 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: a third grade education. Mom graduated from high school. So 221 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: but we didn't. But they were very important in my 222 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: life because they made sure we stayed focused and uh 223 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: and also enable us to live the life that they 224 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: felt that we could if they if they if we 225 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: all did the right things. And in this and in 226 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: this visual sermon, I like to call it journey, the 227 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: journey with Jesus because it's so beautiful and it's and 228 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: you get to hear Dr Tony Evans preach, you get 229 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: to hear from his family, his amazing the children, and 230 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: see his wife. You know that is too Daddy, and 231 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: that's the nickname for your father in Baltimore. And it 232 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: talks about how early on things can be eight and 233 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: that shape can lead to a different paths. I would 234 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: say we live a fork in the rold, and everybody 235 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: lives in the fork. I always say that to myself, 236 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: that we all lives in the forking world left the 237 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: right because you can never just stay down in the middle. 238 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: You have to make a decision. And your father made 239 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: the decision for you. Talk about how that impacted you, 240 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: because it's discussed in Journey with Jesus, and I'm sure 241 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: it's relatable to a lot of people who would see 242 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: for the very first time. Well, yeah, my father came 243 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,599 Speaker 1: to faith when he was about thirty years old, and 244 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: and that forever changed the trajectory of our home. He 245 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: brought he brought Jesus Christ and every element of our 246 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: family it, I mean, our family was turned inside out. 247 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: He transferred that faith to his children, to to my 248 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: mother first and then to his children. Right, we adopted 249 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: that faith as our own. That gave us a foundation 250 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: as a family that was fraying before then that was 251 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: now being solidified and becoming solid. And so now his grandchildren, 252 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: his great grandchildren, and now his great great grandchildren have 253 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: seen that faith transferred to them. And it shows our 254 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: one man who makes the right commitment as a legacy 255 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: that can last hundreds of years. And so we hope 256 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: to just keep that legacy rolling and going and uh. 257 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: And that's what we need, particularly from men today in 258 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: our culture, because too many families don't have a legacy 259 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: to bulled on, and that is because of the absenteeism 260 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: of too many fathers. So I have the privilege of 261 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: having a father grounded in faith and who was not 262 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: ashamed to transfer. We'll be right back with more money 263 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: making conversation with the founder and pastor of Oak Clip 264 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: Bible Fellowship, Dr Tony Evan. It's finally here the season 265 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: of celebration. 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This is Rashan McDonald. 308 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: Welcome back to money making conversations. As I continue my 309 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: conversation with founder and pastor of Oak Cliff Bible Fellowship, 310 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: Dr Tony Evans, Let's let's talk about that legacy. You know, 311 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: because two of your children, you know, I've had the 312 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: privilege of interviewing your son, Anthony Evans Jr. Tremendous singer, 313 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: performed on the Voice. And Priscilla Shire, you know, she 314 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: was I interviewed when she was doing the movie The Overcomer. 315 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: Now you know, very good actress, great motivational speaker, and 316 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: it was it was funny because hey, Loupe Loupe like 317 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: love it. I love it. I love it and uh 318 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: and and and so the beauty of that because that 319 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: was an emotional moment because I saw the movie and 320 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: uh and roll in it and and I realized, you 321 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: guys move forward with as a family. But I want 322 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: to bring that up because relationships make people do things, 323 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: and it's a very significant matter my having a relationship, 324 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: whether it's interviewed or Anthony. We relate through food and 325 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: Loopy's Restaurant was our bond and and we laugh about it. 326 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: I brought it to you off, are you go, yes, 327 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: loupe loope, that's our place. That is what life is about, 328 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: bonding people together. That's what the ministry is about, bonding 329 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 1: people together and making things relatable. Is am I correct? Oh? Absolutely? Uh. 330 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: One of the goals of the of the of doing 331 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: the film was not only to connect us closer with 332 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: the Lord, but to connect us people closer with each other. 333 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: And family is the first place of connectivity. And so 334 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: families can have a shared faith, they can have a 335 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: shared anchor, and when that anchor is lost and the 336 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: frame starts, then the repercussions of a negative legacy begins 337 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: to take place rather than a positive legacy. So if 338 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: this film can be used to bring people strengthen their 339 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: faith but strength of their connectivity around their faith, then 340 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: becomes a double win all the way around. Absolutely absolutely, 341 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: And you know, you know for people who see its 342 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: own podcast and also played out on YouTube and visual. 343 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: You know, Priscilla came into the picture. You know, she 344 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: did the same thing and the documentary she walks on stage. No, 345 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: she has no business being on the stage. So she 346 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: used to just popping in and in and feed with 347 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: the float of everything so, but that makes all right, 348 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: Dr Tony, that's how she rolls right. Well, now she's 349 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: featured a lot from a start, almost like a co 350 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: host in some ways, Priscilla is in this process. Why 351 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: was that important to have her voice because it allowed 352 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: her to pull certain emotions, pull certain answers out of it, 353 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: especially the uh certain areas that you guys were speaking 354 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: talking about her role in this particular documentary, Journey with Jesus, 355 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: which was filmed in Israel. Well, her role was to 356 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: walk with me because we didn't want to have that 357 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: family connectivity. We wanted this not to be me, but 358 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: we wanted to show relationally. I mean, my late wife 359 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: was there. You know, Anthony did the music, So there 360 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: was a bonding that took place, and so we wanted 361 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: to show pieces of that as part of the documentary 362 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: so that people would see our faith is personal, but 363 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: it should be shared on a familial level. And so 364 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: uh so she likes to talk. No, no, you don't 365 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 1: like she got it from doc. I got it from 366 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: your doc. Come on, I got it from you. Apple 367 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: doesn't fall froll from the tree. What can we say, 368 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: alec I say, it's a beautiful thing. Now, this whole process, 369 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: and I just want to be um. I wanted to 370 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: have fun with this interview. I wanted to be how 371 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna be an honest interviecause that's how you roll. 372 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: But more importantly, you get to see if the Bible 373 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: come to life. I am I saying that accurately about 374 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: this journey. The Bible is not just the word about God. 375 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: It is the voice of God in print. But whenever 376 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: the verbal can become visual sever you can see what 377 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: you're learning, it then establishes itself in your mind and 378 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: heart at a deeper level. So we wanted to help 379 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: the Bible to become alive in the experience of the 380 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: of the reader by giving them a visual to go 381 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: alongside with the verbal. I'm gonna ask you a question. 382 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it is. It's a thing about finding yourself, 383 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: you know, Like I always tell people are all my life, 384 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: Dr Tony EVAs, People always said I was special, I 385 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: was unique. I was and I really didn't understand what 386 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: they was talking about that And I always tell people 387 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: went into my authorities that I recepted, I accepted responsibilities 388 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: of being who I was. Sean McDonald. Things that would 389 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: happen if we wasn't luck. It was tied to hard work. 390 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: It was tied to you know, understanding to value my responsibilities. 391 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: I found out who I was and I started to 392 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: live my life. Can you answer this question, this is 393 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: the question that can't be answered. What do you think 394 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: Jesus realized he was Jesus? Well, you have to you 395 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: have the dynamic of what we call the theology the 396 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: hypostatic union, which is two natures in one person, unmixed forever. 397 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: So Jesus went through the natural growth. The Bible says 398 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: he grew in statue and grew in learning. So that 399 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: was the human growth of his humanity like any child 400 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: would have, but it was married to deity. So you 401 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: have two things always happening at the same time in 402 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: the life of Jesus. Natural humanity perfectly developing, while deity 403 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: is forever formed. So both are happening at the same time. 404 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: Because his nature is ever got mixed. They stayed distinct 405 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: but within the same person. Wow, and you're go Indeed, Well, 406 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: all I was saying is that when you go on 407 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: the journey with Jesus, this documentary, they're gonna be in 408 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: the theatre fifteen through seventeen They're gonna be a whole 409 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: lot of people walking at that theatery thinking deep sir, 410 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: because I'm obolt. You never tell you why, because you know, 411 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: I the popularity of my show is that I just 412 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: do real natural interviews. I have no agenda. I'm learning. 413 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 1: I asked questions. I think that everybody wants to ask 414 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: questions when they sit down and talk to you, just 415 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: like I said when when the Jesus realized he was Jesus. 416 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: Because it's through life, you know, we always try to 417 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: come to a point where we have to accept the 418 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: responsibility for what we who, what we are. And when 419 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: you talk about the Bible, you're talking about good news, 420 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: and then we talk about gospel, and then we talked 421 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: about good news. So what is good news and what 422 00:23:55,040 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: is gospel? Well, the good news for the one us. 423 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: Both Greek word is uh hugh on Gilian, which means 424 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: good news, and the gospel is good news against the 425 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: backdrop of bad news, the bad news. It seems to 426 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: appreciate the good news, you gotta understand the bad news. 427 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: The bad news is that sinful men are separated from 428 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: a holy God, and all mankind were sinful. At various 429 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: expressions of it, but we all have fallen short of 430 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: God's standard of perfection. That's the bad news. It's really 431 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: bad news because God can't accept imperfection in his presence. 432 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: So that makes the good news awesome news because God 433 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: has come up with a way to grant us a 434 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: credit report of perfection. What happens when the person comes 435 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: to Christ, they get to piggyback on Jesus's credit report 436 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: and says, Jesus's credit report is perfect credit. When you 437 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: accept Jesus, you get a perfect credit score, even though 438 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: you and I are imperfect, because God allows the righteousness 439 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: of Christ to betray for to us. And that makes 440 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: good news awesome news for all who willing to respond 441 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: to Well, you know, the beauty of family. And I 442 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: was bringing this up because, uh, you know, Atlanta have 443 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: a business and I have a I have one daughter. 444 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: She goes to the University of Houston and she was 445 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: interning this summer and I was every day she walked 446 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: in and we went home where I was happy. I 447 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: was proud because she was. You know, you want to 448 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: create legacies. You want to want to your children to 449 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: live the life and respect the things that you're doing, 450 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: to have your children work on this project. Just just 451 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: slow it down and just talk about how that reacted 452 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: to you now that your wife and their mother's gone, 453 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: and how it was important that they was they were 454 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: a part of We talked about Priscilla being the co 455 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: host and Anthony he's doing the music, but the fact 456 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: that they were there were important on this journey. Talk 457 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: about well, you know, family is a big deal. It's 458 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: a big deal in the Bible, it's a big deal 459 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: and in history, and it's a big deal for culture. Uh. 460 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: You know, whoever owns the family owns the future. The 461 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: saga of a nation is the saga of its family's 462 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: written large. You break down the family, you destroyed the society. 463 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: So the fact that we could do this as a 464 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: family allowed us to understore visually how critical family is 465 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: to the legacy of faith. We didn't just want to 466 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: preach it and say it. We wanted people to see it. 467 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: So it's very critical. Well, you know, Jesus walked on water. 468 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: You were preaching on water. Uh. You you were preaching 469 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: on and uh and just being creative. The whole process 470 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: of being able to pull that together. You know, you 471 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: guys are producers. You have uh, people out there just 472 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: to make sure everybody got that experience, because, like you said, 473 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: it was seven hundred eight hundred people who came on 474 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: this journey with you guys, and you got to do 475 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: uh sermons and certain very historical locations and things like that. 476 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: Talk about that experience, and we're talking with Dr Tony Evans. 477 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: Journey with Jesus is documentary and over the fifteenth to 478 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: the seventeen it will being selected theaters. But more importantly, 479 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: as I asked these questions with him, I moved by 480 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: the fact that the movie moved me and it allowed 481 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: me to see things I had never seen in my life. 482 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: Dr Tony Evans. It allowed me to slow down and 483 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: appreciate my life. Dr Tony Evans. And more importantly, God, 484 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: you share some good news with me. Well, the good news, 485 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: the good news of Jesus Christ is hope you sir, 486 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: open time and hope for eternity. That's that's twice, you know, 487 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: and we understand the hope that comes in Christ in 488 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: spite of the realities of circumstances. And when you're able 489 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: to experience that yourself and then bring your loved ones 490 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: into that, then it creates a whole new perspective of 491 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: how you move in the future, and so much confusion today, 492 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: some many pandemics today, so much conflict today. People need 493 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: to see some hope. And so it is I hope 494 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: that the Journey with Jesus will give people a sense 495 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: that all is not lost in spite of how bad 496 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: things look, because what comes with Jesus is a whole 497 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: bunch basket full. Oh well, you know, first of all, 498 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: let everybody, this is not a a touristy movie. Uh. 499 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: This is uh, this is a journey, and that's a 500 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: that's different terminology. And but one thing that I always 501 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: know that I mean when I went to South Africa, 502 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: because you always have these images of black people, even 503 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: black people, skinny black people, flies, just just just a 504 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: darkness that sits over Africa. And so when you see 505 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: on TV look at it Israel, you think about the 506 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: bombings and and danger and talk about that experience. Because 507 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: I felt a sense of calm and your journey. I 508 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: didn't fear any I didn't sense any fear on uncertainty. 509 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: But that's what we get on TV. Absolutely well, you know, 510 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: that's what makes news, you know, the all the negative stuff, 511 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: and there's reality to a lot of the negative stuff. 512 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 1: But that's see, that's the beauty that when we journeyed 513 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: with Jesus, we journeyed in peace. Yes, even in a 514 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: country where there is conflict and and uh and and 515 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: and people coming at each other, we were in a 516 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: place of peace. So that's what Jesus says. He says, Uh, 517 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: in me, you in the world, you're gonna have tribulation. 518 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: In me, you will have peace because I've overcome the world. 519 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: That's what the Journey of Jesus gives you, a whole 520 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: bunch of peace. His new documentary explores the ministry of 521 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: Christ is called Journey with Jesus, shot on location in Israel. 522 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: A special phantom event is released in theaters November fifteen 523 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: through the seventeen. Dr Tony Evans as always, I enjoyed 524 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: my conversation with your son Anthony and Priscilla. You know, 525 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: I love her, And maybe one day we all gonna 526 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: beat up and Lupi's tortilla and share the free tacos 527 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: and all that good stuff because I love the family. Man. Well, 528 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate that, and I just want to encourage folks, 529 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: and all they gotta do is going a journey with 530 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: Jesus Movie dot Com and putting your zip code and 531 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: I'll tell you where the movie is playing in your area. 532 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: On November fifte we tell the team to give me 533 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: some flyers and I put it on my social media 534 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: and Schilla know why I'll do it. I did it 535 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: for the overcomer. I did it for your son. I 536 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: will help you promote this. I got almost a million 537 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: followers and social media. I will definitely help you get 538 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: the word out. Okay, thank you, God bless you. I 539 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: appreciate you. Thank you for your time. If you want 540 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: to hear or see this interview on Money Making Conversation, 541 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: please go to Money Making Conversation dot com. I'm with 542 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: Sean McDonald. I am your hopes. In this season of giving, 543 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: Cools has gifts for all your loved ones. 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