Speaker 1: On today's episode The Command Center Podcast, we talked Jayden's
Speaker 1: jersey number.
Speaker 2: He's got to take it from somebody who say you
Speaker 2: have to pay up a limit?
Speaker 3: Was he not gonna be? Man?
Speaker 1: I can'tn't wait here? What these guys got to say?
Speaker 1: We got undrafted free agents. We go through all of
Speaker 1: them and we give a little advice. What's it gonna
Speaker 1: take for those guys to make the team. And we
Speaker 1: got a little story time talking about Big Mike Sellers.
Speaker 1: Woooo and it all starts right right now. Welcome into
Speaker 1: the Command Center Podcast. I'm Logan paulse In here with
Speaker 1: Fretz Food and Santana Moss and guys. We got a
Speaker 1: lot of love, a lot of love for the merch
Speaker 1: which is always great. Man the shirts. Everyone wants one.
Speaker 1: We're really excited about it. And we said, oh, you
Speaker 1: can only get him in live events, and people were
Speaker 1: like leaving addresses in the comments section.
Speaker 3: Don't do that.
Speaker 1: We don't want you guys get in trouble, right Like,
Speaker 1: we want to keep you guys saving home.
Speaker 3: So what we're gonna do if you.
Speaker 1: Are not a local person, you're not in the in Virginia,
Speaker 1: Maryland EMV right non Virginia, Maryland.
Speaker 3: We have an email address.
Speaker 1: Now, what's what's the name of god that he got
Speaker 1: signed at gmail dot com? All right, so leave an
Speaker 1: email to that to that to that email address with
Speaker 1: your shirt size, shipping address, and name. Okay, will randomly
Speaker 1: select twenty winners, uh for a free shirt, and five
Speaker 1: of those will get a signed shirt by all three
Speaker 1: of us. Is that right, Jason?
Speaker 3: Do I say there correctly?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: So, and also Jason has to go through the emails,
Speaker 1: So no double dipping. One only request. If you put
Speaker 1: multiple requests in, you're automatically elimiting. Get out of here.
Speaker 1: Let's make it easy for Jason.
Speaker 3: But if they want one for thee and they son
Speaker 3: they self and they I said they self.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they if they won't one for them and they son,
Speaker 2: now we can't turn the keys that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to bring in the arbitrator here. Jason,
Speaker 3: what do we got there?
Speaker 2: Case by case? Babe?
Speaker 4: Sell it to me that it's real. It's real, right,
Speaker 4: I mean for me and my seven it's okays are
Speaker 4: pretty trustworthy. I'm not worried about like guys are going
Speaker 4: to pull fast ones on us. But like, if you
Speaker 4: have an exorbitant request like that, like I, you know,
Speaker 4: help me out with ye.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're trying to make sure we gets their
Speaker 1: shirts merch out there. We're really excited about it. But
Speaker 1: also that hawk outside at gmail dot com. You can
Speaker 1: leave show ideas, leave comments, leave things you want us
Speaker 1: to talk about. Maybe ideas for like questions goes in
Speaker 1: there because right now, guys, we're in silly season, silly
Speaker 1: season meeting. There's nothing to talk about with the team,
Speaker 1: right we got mini camp OTA's coming up. Those tend
Speaker 1: to be close practices. So if there's something you want
Speaker 1: us to talk about, leave it in there. We'll make
Speaker 1: it happen.
Speaker 4: We have a couple of people in the comments that
Speaker 4: keep saying, Jason, make me an intern.
Speaker 2: I don't have this power.
Speaker 3: Definitely he's lying he can do that. Yeah, keep leaving comments.
Speaker 4: But show me your production skills if there's some topics
Speaker 4: dropping in there, and maybe.
Speaker 5: Uh actually use some of their topics and then shouting
Speaker 5: them out saying that you know this particular person.
Speaker 6: Topic brought to you by Milton Johnson from PAS.
Speaker 3: Why Milton Johnson because Milton sound like man he just
Speaker 3: on the top of the head Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: That is, you know Pennsylvania. That's a different culture.
Speaker 6: Like everybody just think about Philadelphia, you think about the
Speaker 6: big city, but that's a big old state.
Speaker 5: Milton, all the names come on, touch up Johnson, Jebbadiah.
Speaker 3: If your name is Milton Johnson, leave a comment at Mississippi.
Speaker 5: It ain't no damn PA.
Speaker 2: No p A is a Quaker state.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's so much.
Speaker 6: Definitely, it's a lot of Jebbadiah's there now. They making
Speaker 6: a lot of front.
Speaker 3: Of you in PA. Believe that that's that's a great point. Right.
Speaker 3: So our producer doesn't want us to talk about this,
Speaker 3: but I just want I have to talk about it,
Speaker 3: please because you guys just have such good takes on this.
Speaker 3: Who's the guy the basketball player that said he can put.
Speaker 1: On skin Rivers rivers Son okay, ost Rivers said he
Speaker 1: could find thirty by football players they could play Football Today.
Speaker 3: Show in the NFL. And then I'm not sure he said, you.
Speaker 6: Say we can't five thirty football players, they could go
Speaker 6: to the NBN.
Speaker 3: I might be in the right out of here, but
Speaker 3: I kind of agree with him.
Speaker 2: Yo, how could you agree.
Speaker 5: With I would say this? It's not that many. Now,
Speaker 5: it's a few guys in the NFL that can go
Speaker 5: out there hoop, but when it comes to the level
Speaker 5: of playing the NBA, it's is different, No, because a
Speaker 5: lot of those guys are you know, you show this
Speaker 5: guy on TV looks five ten and he's sixty three. Yes,
Speaker 5: still so so that part right there would take us out.
Speaker 5: But I will say this just because we played football
Speaker 5: first of all, Austin Rivers looking at it from I
Speaker 5: don't know what Lindsey he's looking out of, but bro,
Speaker 5: I see you guys can't get bumped in a basketball game.
Speaker 5: You're talking about coming out here, putting on pass and
Speaker 5: getting tackled. So that's the hard part for me to believe.
Speaker 2: It's the physicality.
Speaker 1: But I think you've seen there's a precedent set like
Speaker 1: we've seen basketball players we have play in the NFL.
Speaker 2: But it's a friend the NBA. Chris Carter could have
Speaker 2: played in.
Speaker 6: The n B, A t O could have played in
Speaker 6: in the NBA.
Speaker 2: All those listen to me.
Speaker 1: T O is a streat hooper man, But you got
Speaker 1: it's it's a different skill set, man.
Speaker 6: But we're stronged like hic on things. Where's our advantage
Speaker 6: in this. First of all, we're gonna be faster than
Speaker 6: everybody on the court. That's gonna be stronger than everybody
Speaker 6: on the court.
Speaker 1: The speed thing, I think is really interesting because I
Speaker 1: don't know how fast those guys are. But when I
Speaker 1: see like John wall or like d Wayne Wade when
Speaker 1: he was rolling ris Brook thinking about it, Wesbrook like
Speaker 1: thinking about them playing like receiver or something.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Like Westbrook has the mentality, See they go to think
Speaker 6: about it. Most of them don't have the mindset and
Speaker 6: the mentality to be as rough as we are chaotic.
Speaker 6: We are organized chaos. They are chaos organized. So at
Speaker 6: the end of the day, it's gonna take the edgy ones.
Speaker 6: Can Dennis Rotteney, Charles Oakley, Yes, yes, yes, yes they can.
Speaker 6: But the other ones, Clayton Thompson, everybody my things.
Speaker 2: You can.
Speaker 5: You can put Rushbrook as one of those guys, and
Speaker 5: even d Wade. But when you watch a guy have
Speaker 5: to come out there and be coordinated the way we
Speaker 5: are as a football player, it's totally different, and that's
Speaker 5: when you separate yourself. But those guys are not going
Speaker 5: to be able to come out there and do some
Speaker 5: things we can do. I mean, we can go on
Speaker 5: to basketball court and shoot. Yeah, probably can't go out
Speaker 5: there and compete at that level with those guys because,
Speaker 5: like I said before, the hight difference, But I just
Speaker 5: don't see them come out there and being coordinated and
Speaker 5: being able to take those hits.
Speaker 2: We saw a couple of guys that you.
Speaker 5: Know, transit had you know, had had had a good
Speaker 5: run at it, and to me, that was our red breeze.
Speaker 2: So I get what he's saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's probably not that many football players that can
Speaker 5: play basketball. But don't sit here thirty guys that game.
Speaker 2: Once youball, you can't play football.
Speaker 1: Well you play offensive line right six eighties. There's a
Speaker 1: couple like, who's that? No, a fan who played for Houston.
Speaker 1: Less you your basketball player in college?
Speaker 3: Obviously different.
Speaker 1: I played with Darren Fels, basketball player in college. But
Speaker 1: it took Darren probably three years of like football specific
Speaker 1: two and a half years of football specific training. You
Speaker 1: got to even get a shot, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's not like you could go from basketball to
Speaker 1: football right now. Like you have to practice like and
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's kind of the point you're making too.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you wanted to take some guys from
Speaker 1: the NFL go play basketball, they'd have to practice hooping,
Speaker 1: like practice shooting and all that stuff. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I do think the athletically just because like the Jimmy
Speaker 1: Graham's the World, the Antonio Gates the World, I think
Speaker 1: there's something there for sure. So I had to talk
Speaker 1: about that because I knew you had some sh fiery takes.
Speaker 6: It had inch my keyaster because because I hear basketball
Speaker 6: players saying it all the time, and my one thing
Speaker 6: I say to them is the physicality alone.
Speaker 1: You need, like you need to be a tough basketball player.
Speaker 1: And that's that's an interesting kind of thought experiment too.
Speaker 5: It's like, but they can't run all that stuff on.
Speaker 5: They can't go out there and be in that sun.
Speaker 5: They indoor players, They're not going to want to be
Speaker 5: out there in that heat and put on.
Speaker 3: About Draymond Green, what we're talking about.
Speaker 6: We watched Draymond when Nick Stated was coaching Michigan State.
Speaker 6: Draymond came out there tighty in the conorback asked him,
Speaker 6: do you want some peanut butter with the jail and.
Speaker 2: Jammed him turned down.
Speaker 6: So what I'm saying, if anybody tough enough to play
Speaker 6: in the NBA, the NFL, in the NBA right now
Speaker 6: is Draymond is Draymond. Because he is very football mentality
Speaker 6: on the court.
Speaker 3: It'd be interesting to ask him what that experience was.
Speaker 2: Like, that's my guy.
Speaker 5: I watched the film. Yes, I call a movie.
Speaker 6: Number eighty eight. That's what he want out there. Don't
Speaker 6: ever put on my curving number again.
Speaker 1: It's a good number two. Just disrespected, all right, So
Speaker 1: let's get to some commander and stuff.
Speaker 3: Now they're through that.
Speaker 1: So kind of a story that you know, we were
Speaker 1: talking about before the production meeting. I think it's interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, like, what is it? What did what did
Speaker 1: Ronnie say? It is interesting but not relevant or whatever
Speaker 1: that he used to say, that's life. You have to
Speaker 1: decide whether this is one of those things. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So Jane Daniels wears number five in college or what
Speaker 1: number five?
Speaker 3: LSU the field? Who wears number five for this team?
Speaker 2: Tresway pro Bola.
Speaker 1: Do you say, Jaye Daniels asks for number five or
Speaker 1: does he change his number? And if he does ask
Speaker 1: for number five, how much would it take for Trust
Speaker 1: to give him number five.
Speaker 5: I would say this and.
Speaker 1: Again we have no Just to be clear, we have
Speaker 1: no insight on this. Not this might not even be
Speaker 1: an issue.
Speaker 6: We know how we were talking about, We know how
Speaker 6: the numbers are traded in the locker room, we know
Speaker 6: how it is.
Speaker 5: Jane Dame's coming in. A young pup might not know
Speaker 5: that Trust is a pro bowler. He looked at it
Speaker 5: and say he's a kicker. He's gonna get a kicker.
Speaker 5: Got that number he being because trust me, we all
Speaker 5: went in the locker rooms as pups.
Speaker 2: He didn't know nobody. Ye herd names and that's it.
Speaker 5: So he gonna hear that name trus Way has that
Speaker 5: he's a kicker. Oh kicker. Oh, he'll give me that.
Speaker 5: But not knowing that this is a pro bowler. This
Speaker 5: is like the last three four or five years he
Speaker 5: was the kick.
Speaker 3: He's you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So he probably gonna go up to him and shoot
Speaker 5: his you know, shoot a shot like hey man, you
Speaker 5: know I'm willing to pay for it, and Trust might
Speaker 5: giggle like like you know again, Trusts probably gonna giggle
Speaker 5: at him and say no, but it's not for sale.
Speaker 5: And Jay might kind of get you know. But I
Speaker 5: say all that to say this, if I was Trust,
Speaker 5: I will think of a price, being that he's a
Speaker 5: guy that should be respected. I'll say two hundred thousand.
Speaker 2: Oh I would look, I would just say a bees,
Speaker 2: I would just oh my god, Hey.
Speaker 5: I would just say, look from anywhere from two hundred
Speaker 5: to one hundred thousand. Because of who Trust is and
Speaker 5: knowing Trust is a good guy, I'm gonna give it
Speaker 5: to him because you you the quarterback potentially.
Speaker 6: Gonna be the you know, face the franchise.
Speaker 5: Of the franchise, give me that two hundred for that
Speaker 5: bad First.
Speaker 1: Of all, what number would you say, because like if
Speaker 1: you hear about receivers doing that kind of stuff?
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think Trust would ask for two hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars?
Speaker 5: I don't think so. It depends on who you are,
Speaker 5: and there's a lot of care. No, I'm saying this,
Speaker 5: I don't think he will either. I'm saying, if you
Speaker 5: have the audacity to not know me, yeah, ask Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm charging them more because because you asked me and
Speaker 5: you didn't.
Speaker 3: Know who I was.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm gonna I'm gonna come in if I'm
Speaker 6: Jay to be like Trust, I know who you is,
Speaker 6: who you are respect a lot of your research. Jess
Speaker 6: is good at number six, you would number five, And
Speaker 6: I do our twenty thousand in logo with like that
Speaker 6: ain't enough.
Speaker 2: You do what two hundred thousand?
Speaker 3: I'm looking like, Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 6: Because the one thing he has to do is, and
Speaker 6: this won't take a lot of money, is if he
Speaker 6: trades none. But the first thing that has to happen
Speaker 6: is he has to buy all the Transtwait Jersey, right right,
Speaker 6: So he had to buy the Transwait Jersey.
Speaker 1: The number for Kirk it was something like five hundred
Speaker 1: and five or six hundred thousand dollars because Cow is because.
Speaker 6: Cow pits Jersey sales down there, but tresh Jersey is not.
Speaker 2: You don't see a lot of people in trust Wait Jerseys.
Speaker 5: So a lot of people not my commended stuff too.
Speaker 6: But what I'm saying is, at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: I think just our shirts for the show.
Speaker 2: I started off at.
Speaker 6: Twenty thousand, I would go fifty to seventy five thousand.
Speaker 3: That's the starting point. That's it.
Speaker 6: And I think Trust would not have a Probably it
Speaker 6: ain't like he gonna put on number say them and
Speaker 6: started punning worse.
Speaker 5: Like, never know, bro, that a superstitious superstitious you change
Speaker 5: my number, boy in the world.
Speaker 2: On what if? What if he turns to number nine
Speaker 2: and just starts shinking him like you said, get it
Speaker 2: out out, damn man, come back?
Speaker 6: What happened if the first two kick man out of Byron?
Speaker 2: I said, at worse, I want want to see j
Speaker 2: J names in fifteen?
Speaker 3: Better?
Speaker 5: What fifteen until time?
Speaker 2: I cringe when I see fifty. I mean because if he.
Speaker 5: Don't get fired, was he gonna get I get fifteen?
Speaker 6: I just when I see fifteen, I think about Tim
Speaker 6: Tebow's It left like a taste in my mouth.
Speaker 1: I feel like Jay needs a single digit after meeting him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's not He's not a small guy, he's tall,
Speaker 1: but like he like that single digit.
Speaker 2: Just look, so get him give him one. Then now
Speaker 2: you're talking about dots.
Speaker 5: I'm saying I forgot about gonna want.
Speaker 2: I gonna want way more, Mike. I think that negotiations
Speaker 2: just need to start.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Like this is when the
Speaker 6: gootiate stored when you say down by your locker and
Speaker 6: he turned that way to be.
Speaker 2: Like, what's gonna take? What's gonna take?
Speaker 3: How do you start?
Speaker 1: So, if I'm trusting you're you're Jaden, what's the like,
Speaker 1: what's the intro? I'm sitting here with the intro. I'll
Speaker 1: give you mine with okay.
Speaker 2: Put. I came to that thing. I saw that eighty nine.
Speaker 5: I was like, damn, they gave me eighty nine?
Speaker 2: Why that?
Speaker 5: So I'm like, who got eighty three? Ain't stressed? I'm like, man,
Speaker 5: he in the receiver room. I God, damn. I walk
Speaker 5: up on.
Speaker 2: John said, hey, James and James good dude. Right, yeah.
Speaker 2: James came to me. Before I even got.
Speaker 5: Out of my mind, I already know you wanted eighty three, hungh.
Speaker 5: I said, yeah, Bro, I mean I'm willing to pay.
Speaker 5: He say, let me pray on it.
Speaker 2: Jesus, Hey, what Jesus to you?
Speaker 5: Was almost over. James came to me and was like, hey, man,
Speaker 5: Jesus told me that I prayed on him, bro, and
Speaker 5: I'm willing to give it to you. And I said, guess what.
Speaker 5: I prayed on it too, And I came up. I
Speaker 5: wore eighty three in high school and I WoT six
Speaker 5: in college.
Speaker 2: Together.
Speaker 5: That's eighty nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 5: He said, damn, bro, that's good, and it made it
Speaker 5: was like he was fend number. No he didn't, he did.
Speaker 5: I was gonna give him something, James, I.
Speaker 2: Just got paid. What would you have given him?
Speaker 5: Probably south to seventy five to fifty, but I probably
Speaker 5: gave him around like fifty thousand for Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: That's me out of respect. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew
Speaker 2: James Strass. I knew of him growing up.
Speaker 5: James Thrass was a guy that I always had a
Speaker 5: lot of you know, I praised him a lot, especially
Speaker 5: when we was playing together, Like he would come in
Speaker 5: third down and get missing on you. You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Like I came out of game one time, Coach, give
Speaker 5: met me down. This is my first year. I'm tired, Bro,
Speaker 5: I'm exhausted. I'm walking on the side and I was
Speaker 5: third down. I had no clue.
Speaker 2: Coach.
Speaker 5: He just walking on down and say this play for you.
Speaker 5: He better he better catch it. Like I go, like
Speaker 5: out there, I look at James stra I said, oh, James,
Speaker 5: that caught a like a litt I forgot the little route,
Speaker 5: a little flat route. He came in motion.
Speaker 2: I remember house called I remember you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, and guess what. That opened up the
Speaker 5: playbook for James Strass for the rest of the season.
Speaker 5: He ran that route for us on third down and
Speaker 5: he couldn't. I mean, they would not stop him. So
Speaker 5: I kind of look at it like, damn, he took
Speaker 5: a little from me. But at the same time I
Speaker 5: was willing to give that up because he's a guy
Speaker 5: that deserved that.
Speaker 2: But when when Jade sits down, ask me.
Speaker 3: I trusting, got my stuff up and put my cleats on.
Speaker 2: Do you come over you say, I'm gonna sit down,
Speaker 2: look at you once or twice?
Speaker 3: What do you want?
Speaker 5: I want that. He ain't gonna say it.
Speaker 6: I want want the FIZZI them feel you understand me?
Speaker 2: What it's gonna take.
Speaker 6: Just when negotiation starts, t's gonna be like, you know what,
Speaker 6: you know, I made the Pro Bowl in the Jersey.
Speaker 5: This just on the number.
Speaker 1: Wonder if Trust would even ask you mean trust good dude, man,
Speaker 1: really care about nothing but that number?
Speaker 5: You know how numbers I don't trust ask. I think trust.
Speaker 5: Trust has the his sense of human probably like mine,
Speaker 5: like yours. On steroids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's so dress.
Speaker 5: Trash would come to him and Trust would say, look,
Speaker 5: man tell me something.
Speaker 2: They tell me what you want to Yeah, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Yeah.
Speaker 5: He would tell him to throw the number out there,
Speaker 5: and if he likes it or not, he'll probably give
Speaker 5: it to us.
Speaker 2: That's me expecually.
Speaker 6: You know, you're right, one hundred thousand ain't much when
Speaker 6: you just got forty me.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I can tell you know
Speaker 2: a dinty well the number two pig. It's about thirty
Speaker 2: five forty is it's so you're somewhere in there. Well
Speaker 2: we look makes a cap now, cap now. But I'm
Speaker 2: just saying it's a good, a good lord, don't be garrants.
Speaker 3: It's over. It's over twenty million dollars.
Speaker 6: So he's gonna be fine. I just think it's one
Speaker 6: of the things because most people don't know. My first
Speaker 6: week here, I wore twenty three, twenty three the Michael
Speaker 6: Jordan that was.
Speaker 3: My That sounds gross, yeah it does, it does.
Speaker 6: But guess what hell rogers no, no, d twenty three
Speaker 6: oh columns with twenty two.
Speaker 2: So the thing about it was the was still here
Speaker 2: at the time.
Speaker 5: Them was twenty one.
Speaker 6: So when did he leave like a week later, right
Speaker 6: like we did rookie Minicamp. At the rooky Minicamp, all
Speaker 6: the whole team got together. Mart Schemenheimen was our coach.
Speaker 6: Deon didn't want to play for Marty, so de Young
Speaker 6: was always telling me, I'm finna retire you, dude. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm going to give you my locker. I'm fin to
Speaker 6: give my jersey.
Speaker 2: I'm fini j I was like, oh, I'm fin the
Speaker 2: J Walker. You finish J Walker.
Speaker 6: So I knew what I was finding it to one consist, No,
Speaker 6: my wonting one period.
Speaker 3: Jason's got the number.
Speaker 4: Yeah, these are none of this is official. This is
Speaker 4: all like, but it's it's expected to be a four years,
Speaker 4: thirty seven point seven million for Jason, where in there
Speaker 4: Caleb will get thirty nine point four thirty six point.
Speaker 5: Six to the nearest hunt.
Speaker 2: Because I remember four years twenty two point eight.
Speaker 3: When Cam got drafted. There was captured twenty two.
Speaker 5: But you know in these.
Speaker 2: Years, Sam Bradford, Sam came out. He was the last
Speaker 2: sixty five. He got like sixty five million, get the
Speaker 2: first pick.
Speaker 5: Sam Bradford, he was the reason why they kept it
Speaker 5: because they were like.
Speaker 2: This Sam Bradford, Kirk cousin, the same guy. Listen to me, same,
Speaker 2: It's been way better than six.
Speaker 4: Years seventy eight million.
Speaker 3: Oh my god for Sam Bradford's worse.
Speaker 5: And they said I'm sick of it.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm sick of it. Next year we cap it.
Speaker 6: They didn't captin it. And listen, man, imagine what that
Speaker 6: would be today. If kayleb wings with number one, he
Speaker 6: would have got a hundred million.
Speaker 3: I think he was a top five paid quarterback that
Speaker 3: year or something like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was top five. I hadn't played a day,
Speaker 2: played it down. That's that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So if i'm transway, give me a hundred one hundred,
Speaker 6: give me a hundred thousand. I can put it in
Speaker 6: my child, you know, trust.
Speaker 3: Fun prepay for my kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah whatever.
Speaker 5: Tress is a smart man, so I expect him to
Speaker 5: have less sense of humor about it. Yeah, like I say,
Speaker 5: he gonna tell him probably the thrower that throw him
Speaker 5: a number. And to me as a as a young
Speaker 5: buck coming in there out of respect, you got to
Speaker 5: say from that range, I said, at least six a hundred.
Speaker 5: But if he's coming there and don't know me two
Speaker 5: hundred because you won't did two hundred.
Speaker 6: Tres had to put on number nineteen. They're gonna repercussion
Speaker 6: much numbers is not.
Speaker 2: It's like that's what I was saying. It's no numbers
Speaker 2: out there that's gonna fit trust. Who is he always been?
Speaker 2: He was five and up Arizona State?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think he was always five here though,
Speaker 5: because they wasn't winning. Look up Trusts numbers when he
Speaker 5: played when when we all played together with Tress, I don't.
Speaker 3: Think he was five five.
Speaker 5: I don't because know McNab had five one year, but
Speaker 5: test one here Trust.
Speaker 2: Was after that.
Speaker 3: It was two years after that.
Speaker 5: War, five after McNab. Do I think one of the
Speaker 5: quarterbacks after McNab had five?
Speaker 3: Did Patrick White were five?
Speaker 2: Did he Patrick?
Speaker 6: I'm talking about the West Via five nine something like
Speaker 6: that trade Vandostin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, most definitely gonna be the gift they kept on.
Speaker 3: So he's probably better today in today's game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would be. He was like your boy man
Speaker 2: who played and played at Florida.
Speaker 5: Johnoe is Green, you know from Virginia up here? What
Speaker 5: the kid name is who played played Percy Harvey Percony
Speaker 5: Harvey like they was like person Harvey's a different bill,
Speaker 5: different gear, but they was like electric field. They were
Speaker 5: like they was like Bush playering receiver.
Speaker 4: What we got Jason so Jane and Daniels is always
Speaker 4: worn number five?
Speaker 5: Wow, what about Chase?
Speaker 4: Trust?
Speaker 5: I mean, Trust can Chase one.
Speaker 3: No problem.
Speaker 4: He's always worn number five here. But okay, at uh
Speaker 4: it says Chicago he was with Chicago was number one,
Speaker 4: which he can't be because John is here. But when
Speaker 4: he was at Oklahoma he was number thirty.
Speaker 2: Oh hey, he should just put on cooler number and
Speaker 2: just be for the sales.
Speaker 6: I know, trust, he's an idiot, So if he changed numbers,
Speaker 6: it's not gonna be from five to six.
Speaker 2: He's gonna go from five.
Speaker 5: Like I kind of don't want to see Trust have
Speaker 5: to change because I feel like it's just something you
Speaker 5: have to say. He's a you know, but it's hard
Speaker 5: to see. Jayde did not come in and like.
Speaker 1: I do also think it's good when a young guy
Speaker 1: comes in and can like re establish their identity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying this that was college. This is here.
Speaker 5: But or like I say, they might say, hey, Jaden,
Speaker 5: you I got and five is gonna be waiting on
Speaker 5: you when he leaves.
Speaker 3: That's true, right right now.
Speaker 5: We gotta let him ride this thing up. Like I said,
Speaker 5: he's a pro bowler, man, he's a guy that's to
Speaker 5: be one of the better, the bettert the best punter
Speaker 5: in the league.
Speaker 2: So you gotta gotta live with it.
Speaker 6: I would come here is the number two picks. Say
Speaker 6: it's punt in the league.
Speaker 3: You were the number two picks. That would be a
Speaker 3: nightmare for everybody.
Speaker 6: Yeah, at the same but I'm just saying, if I'm
Speaker 6: the quarterback, man.
Speaker 3: It's true quarterback. That's a little bit like that.
Speaker 2: This I'm the governess.
Speaker 5: It's more than shoulders.
Speaker 2: I would love to see him in number nine. I
Speaker 2: think nine to look good on him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: He was also thirty six.
Speaker 3: Trust trust Yeah, he was just.
Speaker 2: Here's a bunch of numbers. He's a pun They just
Speaker 2: gave him a number in high school.
Speaker 3: He was thirty.
Speaker 4: It was number thirty. You were one year at Oklah.
Speaker 1: We should ask him, we should get to trust on
Speaker 1: here and ask him if he'd switch numbers. All right,
Speaker 1: So that's going to do it for the number talk basketball,
Speaker 1: number talk football. If you have a thought on that,
Speaker 1: what number would you take to change your number? Please
Speaker 1: send an email to that hawk outside at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: How much would it take?
Speaker 3: How much would it take? Leave a comment?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So now we're talking undrafted free agents.
Speaker 1: We've done a lot of draft talk, and so for
Speaker 1: this segment, if you want a more detailed kind of
Speaker 1: rendition of each player, we did that on Ticket of
Speaker 1: the Draft, which is on Apple and Spotify, right Jason,
Speaker 1: So you can listen to that there and then I'll
Speaker 1: come out on Friday. But in the meantime, let's talk
Speaker 1: about just high level free agents. You guys played for
Speaker 1: a long time, saw a lot of undrafted free agent rookies.
Speaker 3: What was your perception.
Speaker 1: Of those guys coming in because obviously the drafted guys
Speaker 1: were kind of held in a little different standard, you know,
Speaker 1: like they came in they had like special not special treatment,
Speaker 1: but they were treated a little.
Speaker 3: Differently than the US.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was your as guys that were established a locker?
Speaker 1: What was your view of that.
Speaker 3: Group of guys?
Speaker 5: Well, when I first got into the league, I cared
Speaker 5: less about who was who I still I mean, throughout
Speaker 5: my years, I cared less, but I really even knew
Speaker 5: who was undrafted, who was drafted. I feel like we
Speaker 5: was all there. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: I'm like, we're all on the team. But the crazy
Speaker 5: part about it, my first four years in New York,
Speaker 5: I hung out with the undrafted guys more than the
Speaker 5: guys on the team, like more than the And it's
Speaker 5: crazy because one of the guys are he's now here.
Speaker 5: In Howard coaching Tory Woodbury, I mentioned his name was
Speaker 5: a quarterback. He was the Mike Vick of Black College,
Speaker 5: so he was. He went to Winston Stalem University. I
Speaker 5: remember seeing him in the draft when they was talking
Speaker 5: about picking him up, you know, when other teams was
Speaker 5: looking at him. And then he ended up coming to
Speaker 5: the Jets as an undrafted guy, but they talked highly
Speaker 5: about who he was, and so when I got there,
Speaker 5: he basically like me and him just like he's a quarterback,
Speaker 5: I'm a receiver, and we hung out. He made the
Speaker 5: team as a receiver slash special teams guy, you know.
Speaker 5: But when you look back at it now, all these years,
Speaker 5: another guy came in, he was undrafted, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: we was cool. So I care less about those guys
Speaker 5: being undrafted or not. And I never really especially when
Speaker 5: I got my name, you know, started playing goodball. I
Speaker 5: never looked down those guys because there was a lot
Speaker 5: of guys that will come in that you say, how
Speaker 5: did that guy not get drafted? You understand. So just
Speaker 5: because they're undrafted refreging, don't mean that they not draft
Speaker 5: worthy or they wasn't a guy that should have been drafted.
Speaker 5: Things happen.
Speaker 2: You know, Hey, only two hundred plus of us can
Speaker 2: get drafted. They don't mean it ain't a back though
Speaker 2: into the league.
Speaker 6: Antonio Pierce came in our rookie year undrafted free agent,
Speaker 6: end up winning the Super Bowl. Now he's the head
Speaker 6: coach of the Raiders. I love guys that weather the
Speaker 6: storm because it's not easy for any of us as
Speaker 6: a rookie. But if you are undrafted free agent, it's
Speaker 6: almost no hope.
Speaker 5: Almost.
Speaker 2: But when I see them dig, they weigh out.
Speaker 6: It's just respect. I was always treated everybody saying people
Speaker 6: already know they had up. You could come knock on
Speaker 6: my do it Ino town. I'm opening the door. I
Speaker 6: don't care who he is.
Speaker 2: We know how they was.
Speaker 6: Because people don't understand how it feels to be in
Speaker 6: the middle locker like timporary locker.
Speaker 1: Talk about that for a second. It's like downstairs. Uh,
Speaker 1: at least says they used to do it right. So
Speaker 1: the guys on the team had the outside locker, which
Speaker 1: is like the one you see on TV where it's
Speaker 1: like got the nice you can sit in it, you
Speaker 1: can put your stuff in there, and then in the
Speaker 1: middle for the UDFA guys. And so like when I
Speaker 1: came in, I was UDFA guy. Trent had his own locker.
Speaker 1: He was over there right like Perry Riley. All the
Speaker 1: guys that got drafted had their own locker, and then
Speaker 1: your boy was in a metal locker in the middle,
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, this is not good. This is
Speaker 1: not a real locker. So how do I get from
Speaker 1: this locker to that locker? And then when I was
Speaker 1: in Chicago, what they used to do is they used
Speaker 1: to put the ud F as in a different.
Speaker 2: Locker room, same thing.
Speaker 3: And when I j so you're like, so it's.
Speaker 1: Like, how do I actually get into the real locker room?
Speaker 1: So it is a little bit tough, but yeah, like
Speaker 1: I don't know, did you you look at those lockers
Speaker 1: and be like damn.
Speaker 6: No, I didn't because I knew as quick as they
Speaker 6: could be cut drafted guys and guys that been here
Speaker 6: for six years when that reaper entered the locker room
Speaker 6: and I holler out dead man walking, like it doesn't
Speaker 6: matter if you're in the middle of locker or not.
Speaker 6: Like I said, I always endeared to those guys. I
Speaker 6: always made friends with those guys. So at the end
Speaker 6: of the day, it didn't matter how you got here,
Speaker 6: as long as you was here. And I also knew
Speaker 6: for most coaches I played with, they didn't care either,
Speaker 6: Like if you're better than the guy we drafted, we're
Speaker 6: gonna keep you.
Speaker 2: We're not keeping him.
Speaker 6: So I had a lot of respect for those guys
Speaker 6: and Antonio Pierce's of the world, the London Fletchers of
Speaker 6: the world. So it don't matter how you started in
Speaker 6: this game, itn't matter how you finished, man.
Speaker 5: You know, honestly, like I looked at those lockers, that's
Speaker 5: just it's training. Come.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a bunch of bodies in here.
Speaker 5: I didn't, you know, I really never really paid attention
Speaker 5: to who was in them and who wasn't. I thought
Speaker 5: it was so many young guys came in here at
Speaker 5: the end of the day, whether they draft draft picks
Speaker 5: or not, they got to go somewhere because we got
Speaker 5: a whole team of people that's still here. So I
Speaker 5: never really looked individually of who was in that locker
Speaker 5: until they started coming up missing, you know, once you
Speaker 5: started seeing them open them anything, I'm like, well, damn,
Speaker 5: he wasn't a draft pick or he didn't have any
Speaker 5: you know, he didn't carry any weight for him to
Speaker 5: make the team. And so that's when you start paying
Speaker 5: attention more. But man, I could just imagine, bro, like
Speaker 5: we need to be asking you how it feel to because.
Speaker 6: How doesn't feel the pressure every day knowing I could
Speaker 6: wake up and this could be my LaDue line.
Speaker 3: It was tough, man, it was.
Speaker 1: It was really tough because like those like for you
Speaker 1: guys didn't matter maybe, but like for me, every day
Speaker 1: it was like every day I went to that metal locker,
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, you know, like you could be
Speaker 1: out of here tomorrow. And so you're always kind of
Speaker 1: thinking about like draft picks, and you know, obviously the
Speaker 1: first probably three first three rounds or guys that are
Speaker 1: going to make the team because they made an investment.
Speaker 1: But like my year, they had drafted a guy in
Speaker 1: the fifth round that they were really high on, and
Speaker 1: like you're saying Fred, like he wasn't working out the
Speaker 1: way they wanted. I was having a good camp and
Speaker 1: it switched and I ended up making the team over him,
Speaker 1: and they ended up cutting him. But like, you get
Speaker 1: penalized as a team for cutting draft picks, so there
Speaker 1: are there are incentives to keep the likes. So for example,
Speaker 1: they got in trouble for this, but they trade. They
Speaker 1: swapped draft picks with the Saint Louis Rams at the time,
Speaker 1: so they could cut their pick and then we could
Speaker 1: cut the Saint Louis could cut our pick and with
Speaker 1: no penalty. But you get because the contract of a
Speaker 1: draft pick is guaranteed. Uh, three fourths of the contracts guaranteed.
Speaker 1: So for me, they cut me and it's like thanks,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming by, like we appreciate it.
Speaker 3: So it was tough.
Speaker 1: And again like understanding that they had made an investment
Speaker 1: in those players, they'd picked those players with valuable assets,
Speaker 1: and I was just kind of a guy.
Speaker 3: Was tough.
Speaker 6: How did you go out your way not to like
Speaker 6: cause we always practice all us practice. No, once you're
Speaker 6: on a team, you used to get practiced with it.
Speaker 6: I can't make a mistake mentality, but damn.
Speaker 1: It was so the best way I could explain it
Speaker 1: because I had to do like rookie mentoring when I
Speaker 1: was in Atlanta, Like I would talk to the rookies
Speaker 1: when they'd come in, And the best way I could
Speaker 1: explain it, it's like you're a dog on a leash. Right,
Speaker 1: So if your first round draft pick, Man, you're out
Speaker 1: in the yard. Man, there's no fence, go out, do
Speaker 1: what you gotta do. You could mess up, yeah, chew
Speaker 1: up the porch, whatever you want to do as a
Speaker 1: as a U d f A, you are tied to
Speaker 1: that stake in the yard if you mess up, if
Speaker 1: you get too far, like get out of here, right,
Speaker 1: So i'd be here with udfa's you thought, oh I
Speaker 1: made it, I made the team, and then it's like, bro,
Speaker 1: like you cannot do what he's doing because they're gonna
Speaker 1: they're gonna be patient with him. They're not gonna be
Speaker 1: patient with you. Because I hate to break it to you,
Speaker 1: there are probably seven hundred to you floating around the NFL.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so like that's why I have a lot of respect,
Speaker 1: you know, Fletch, you mentioned Pierce, you know, and played
Speaker 1: with a bunch of guys that made the teams udf
Speaker 1: as because like you have such a tight like such
Speaker 1: a such a it's like your thread the needle, small
Speaker 1: window right, and you gotta you gotta cant. And so
Speaker 1: for me, it was like the guy they drafted didn't
Speaker 1: do what he was supposed to do, an older guy
Speaker 1: got hurt, and then they h two older guys got hurt,
Speaker 1: and so then there was like, oh, shoot, like here
Speaker 1: it is. That's a lot of luck, you know.
Speaker 5: I remember being asked and it's crazy that we're talking
Speaker 5: about this because it's just you know, and I'm always
Speaker 5: to want the brain freezers, you know. But you talked
Speaker 5: so long it gave me time to think about it.
Speaker 5: I remember being okay, that was a little like that
Speaker 5: by the way you talk, you know, we actually questioned,
Speaker 5: we askually the question. I wanted to hear your take
Speaker 5: on the note. But I remember one of the guys
Speaker 5: like after year ten or something like that. For me,
Speaker 5: he's no longer in the league. We're talking. He's like, man,
Speaker 5: I always wonder like why you were so cool with us,
Speaker 5: Like Bro like, why would you? And he was hanging
Speaker 5: out with me for my birthdays. He's like, Tenne, man,
Speaker 5: you're still taking care of me. Bro, all these years,
Speaker 5: I tell I tell my folks, man, I came in
Speaker 5: I want even a drift pick. Tenn of had me staying.
Speaker 5: I stayed at Tennel House for four years, like and
Speaker 5: I thought about it. I said, Bro, do you know
Speaker 5: not not know how I came into college? I was
Speaker 5: you in college walk on, And I tell you that
Speaker 5: the way I felt every day came I couldn't eat
Speaker 5: with these guys. I couldn't. It was like they were
Speaker 5: showing you that you here. So I'm like, when I
Speaker 5: got to the league and saw you got it wasn't
Speaker 5: like you was uh walk on or undrafted free agent.
Speaker 5: I looked at you as a guy like I wanted.
Speaker 5: I wanted to make sure you knew that I accepted
Speaker 5: you if no one else did. So you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. So that's one of the reasons that I've
Speaker 5: always kind of took care of those people and made
Speaker 5: sure that they knew, like, hey, bro, let's go out
Speaker 5: here and work. And when if I can give you
Speaker 5: that energy to say that's going out here and work
Speaker 5: and maybe you know better. Your chances are going out
Speaker 5: to compete and get looked at, and hey, I did
Speaker 5: my part.
Speaker 2: Do you remember Johnny U. Banks?
Speaker 3: Like you?
Speaker 6: Banks was undrafted, familiar, all right, and I'll never forget.
Speaker 6: We were playing against the Chicago Bear Blue forheaded hell
Speaker 6: of a game.
Speaker 2: The two picks everything. I end up by the third
Speaker 2: quarter full body cramp.
Speaker 6: I literally go into the locker room and I'm watching
Speaker 6: the game as I sit on the table with the Bees.
Speaker 6: They put Johnny U. Banks in in my place Chicago
Speaker 6: of course, fresh meat. They're going right ad and right
Speaker 6: in and right in them, and I'm sitting there like
Speaker 6: I can't let them do Johnny. You bangs like that,
Speaker 6: because just if I go out here, I don't need
Speaker 6: to be helping. They'll still respect. I get off the table,
Speaker 6: tell the train of some kind of lie. I run
Speaker 6: back in, run and get back in the game. They
Speaker 6: take Johnny out, but I just wasn't gonna let I
Speaker 6: want to protect. I know if he gets in here
Speaker 6: and he continue to me, he might not be on
Speaker 6: this team out of there.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: He was a good guy too.
Speaker 3: You're a real one for that, I'll tell you you. No, No,
Speaker 3: A lot ofdes wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: No, I know they wouldn't do it. And that's how
Speaker 2: I felt last year.
Speaker 6: They kind of left my guy for us hanging guns.
Speaker 6: At the end of the day, we supposed to protect
Speaker 6: each other. And I know if I was having a
Speaker 6: bad game as a rookie, d Green a champ would
Speaker 6: have came over there and say, hey, let me help,
Speaker 6: let me take this goog this guy, you just go
Speaker 6: to the ConA right now.
Speaker 5: I got you.
Speaker 3: No, I think that's exactly right. So we got a
Speaker 3: couple of ud FA's here the sign. What's the number ten? Anyway,
Speaker 3: any of.
Speaker 1: These guys that kind of stick out to you is
Speaker 1: kind of say, hey, man, this guy might be fun
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. And again we go deeper
Speaker 1: dive on Ticket to the Draft podcast which comes on
Speaker 1: on on Friday. But these guys, you're like, man, this
Speaker 1: is what I want you to keep it eye.
Speaker 2: This is what I want you to do.
Speaker 6: Keep your wife and your girlfriend away from Sam Hartman.
Speaker 6: Start let's start there, all right, I don't know if
Speaker 6: to jump off, let's start there.
Speaker 2: If Sam makes the team or not, he will be
Speaker 2: in the DMV. Are all is what I'm saying is
Speaker 2: this he is a heart throb. Let's start there.
Speaker 3: All.
Speaker 5: I think I can't think of this guy name man,
Speaker 5: but I'm pretty sure you'all gonna have me. Oh, I
Speaker 5: guess he broke it down right here for me.
Speaker 7: Thank you, jay O, Go go Woo Google, Google, David Woo, Google,
Speaker 7: David Woo Google six five, three.
Speaker 5: Hundred and one pounds. And he's gonna be playing with lineman.
Speaker 5: He's gonna tackle tackle switch player to me, I just
Speaker 5: got to keep you out on.
Speaker 2: I think you know Google Woo, Google, I love it.
Speaker 2: I want to hear that's the guy.
Speaker 6: But hey, Coaston Yankoff, Yankoff, who First of all, he's
Speaker 6: a He used to play tailback, he used to return punts,
Speaker 6: lay quarterback, he played quarterback everything. But we're going to
Speaker 6: play him at tight end. Like so they tell you
Speaker 6: what type of athlete this dude is. I think if
Speaker 6: anybody has a chance undrafted free agent to make this team,
Speaker 6: it's him Yankoff. Like he's the guy that you have
Speaker 6: to because they're all about athletics, score and what can
Speaker 6: you do? When I look on this, he can do
Speaker 6: more than most of the people on here. He's not
Speaker 6: singlar in anyway. And I think you have a better
Speaker 6: chance to make this team if you play more than
Speaker 6: one position.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he so.
Speaker 1: I if I remember he serves, he played running back,
Speaker 1: tight end, he was a return man, he played all
Speaker 1: four special teams.
Speaker 3: He played a little linebacker.
Speaker 1: He transferred from U dub as a quarterback, and so
Speaker 1: like they couldn't. He's just a big athletic, that'sletic guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So like maybe, like you're saying, Fred, find a way
Speaker 1: to get him some touches like he was. I think
Speaker 1: he led the team in special team tackle. So obviously, yeah,
Speaker 1: team's value. I definitely got to keep an eye on
Speaker 1: for sure. Got another guy Colorado State. I'm calling them
Speaker 1: ce out the gate. I ain't trying to mess his
Speaker 1: name up, said Chogaga's a Cheagozi chegoziw him Like I
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 5: I like that Chegozi in the Newseum coming back for
Speaker 5: three nine forty Uh. I mean all the intelligents when
Speaker 5: you look at six to one two hundred physic school,
Speaker 5: you watch his film, he won those guys. I looked
Speaker 5: him up because I'm going over this list last night.
Speaker 5: I love when you give us this stuff before here,
Speaker 5: I get a chance to go and lookuse somebody watch
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I went and put up film. I'm like, Oh, he
Speaker 2: gonna make the team. And then I find out they
Speaker 2: gave him a little nice stifen.
Speaker 5: You know, they give you a nice little stipend. They
Speaker 5: got good intent, they invested in you for a reason.
Speaker 5: So for him to be a free agent, under undrafted
Speaker 5: free agent, that's always an eye raiser right now.
Speaker 3: Raise that's a big one for me to just knowing that, damn, we're.
Speaker 5: Giving him a couple of dollars because we believe a
Speaker 5: little something more than.
Speaker 2: What we don't want nobody else to get them.
Speaker 1: I think you got paid them of any undrafted rookie
Speaker 1: year he was and there was a little bitting war
Speaker 1: between him here and Denver. Yeah, we won fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: That's a big deal. And I think some of his
Speaker 1: contracts guaranteed another big deal for him. So my guy
Speaker 1: Tanna mention it like moves well, pretty instinctive efforts, a
Speaker 1: little up and down, but the frame, the profile, the
Speaker 1: athletic it's all there. Another guy that I think is
Speaker 1: super interesting, just like just incredibly interesting. Is Tyler Allens
Speaker 1: from Texas Tech. So he transferred from Texas. He's never
Speaker 1: really played safety until last year, a little up and
Speaker 1: down weird angles.
Speaker 2: You know what he played before that was the corner linebacker.
Speaker 1: I think he played star for them, alright, hybrid. But
Speaker 1: the thing about him is he is a teams guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's literally may like this is not an exaggeration.
Speaker 1: He might be the most explosive person ever in the history.
Speaker 3: Of the combine.
Speaker 5: I've seen a damn broad jump.
Speaker 2: Twelve two, twelve to two. That's incredible, giant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he had a forty one inch.
Speaker 2: Vertical that's no one inch under me?
Speaker 3: Stop? What was your vertical?
Speaker 2: Forty two?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? I jumped up and I ain't come
Speaker 3: down with thank you Jason.
Speaker 1: I mean, did I even say? Jason just pulled out
Speaker 1: his phone right away, because that's that's the kind of guy.
Speaker 1: So he's six to two, he's two fifteen, he's got
Speaker 1: thirty three and a quarter inch arms, Like, dude is
Speaker 1: built in the labeah and so again.
Speaker 3: Teams value.
Speaker 1: But when you see him, like I was watching filming
Speaker 1: him the other night, I was like, damn, like this
Speaker 1: dude looks like a linebacker playing safety.
Speaker 3: Again, very raw, but but.
Speaker 2: That's what you want.
Speaker 1: But Carver Carver roll as a team with crazy athletic upside.
Speaker 1: So that's someone I would just say, hey, man, keep
Speaker 1: an eye.
Speaker 5: On him now now.
Speaker 2: Also now, because I watched a lot of Georgia football.
Speaker 3: Rose Jack's sat Saint. Yes, I like him a lot.
Speaker 6: I've been saying, like, he just one of those guys
Speaker 6: that you know, he didn't play high level football, you know,
Speaker 6: he got overshadowed by a lot of draft picks, and
Speaker 6: he's one of those guys that remind me of Cam.
Speaker 2: Seems in a way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a great car.
Speaker 6: What I'm saying remind me of Cam Seems to where
Speaker 6: he the type guy that could get on the roster
Speaker 6: and just stick. Yeah, just always be there. So so yeah,
Speaker 6: so he one of those guys.
Speaker 5: I mean, anytime you look at a guy and he
Speaker 5: had zero drop passes since twenty twenty two, Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: an eye raiser, right, That's the eyebrod raiser. So I'm like,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm with you with that. But you know what,
Speaker 5: one of the things about it too, you gotta think
Speaker 5: about it. You know, you're gonna always find a guy
Speaker 5: that if he can be specially on special teams. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and he plays a receiving position.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And he's a bingo ahead gunner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a he's a tough son of a gun.
Speaker 1: I had a draft table grade on him, honestly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he had some medical stuff like a knee
Speaker 1: shue or something that might have made it tough. But
Speaker 1: as far as the football of the film, yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought had a very solid senior ball. I thought he
Speaker 1: was consistent of Georgia.
Speaker 3: Not the guy there.
Speaker 6: And what I say, like when you when you go
Speaker 6: to these big schools and you not the guy, so
Speaker 6: matchin being in Miami and they got Tana and how
Speaker 6: many more receivers in you the fifth guy. It don't
Speaker 6: mean you can't play. It's just a deep ride receiving guy.
Speaker 5: You gotta think. We had me Reggie, Wayne, Andre King,
Speaker 5: and Daryl Jones and Andre Whiston was coming in as
Speaker 5: a third and fourth guy.
Speaker 2: So this imagine that.
Speaker 5: This year up all the famet this year, Well he
Speaker 5: just he got taken it and he was he was
Speaker 5: a guy coming off the bench, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So and like so That's how it is when you
Speaker 5: have those teams and just imagine that those Alabama or
Speaker 5: wide receiver rooms.
Speaker 2: You know what, all these.
Speaker 5: Guys in the league now they are playing a high
Speaker 5: level that you had to basically waste your turn.
Speaker 3: That's something we'll talk about more, probably on a later show.
Speaker 3: But I think in terms of positions that are going
Speaker 3: to be super interesting, like receiver, especially like those four
Speaker 3: six guys.
Speaker 2: You know who is gonna be you Need You Need
Speaker 2: you Miami.
Speaker 3: What's gonna happen impact the tight end room? Like all
Speaker 3: these guys.
Speaker 6: James and crowded, how it's gonna happen, Like you're right,
Speaker 6: them last three spots in their receiver room, It's gonna
Speaker 6: be a fight for those.
Speaker 1: And so that's where I think that like a guy
Speaker 1: like Jack Saint could maybe make it happen.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, because.
Speaker 2: We don't know what they're looking for.
Speaker 6: He has a body type it's big that he don't
Speaker 6: have to compete against in that room.
Speaker 2: Like I think he would be the tallest guy, right.
Speaker 3: He's six to two. I think he's one hundred and
Speaker 3: seventy five times because which.
Speaker 2: Was six feet six Luke McCaffrey sixty two.
Speaker 3: I mean he's sixty one and five eighths.
Speaker 6: Yeah, technically so maybe, but uh but yeah.
Speaker 1: And so the other one is the DB's like, we
Speaker 1: got all these kind of dbs that are flex.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: That's why I think Owens is such an interesting guy.
Speaker 1: But the guy that no one said that I wanted
Speaker 1: to call attention to is a guy Noral Pollard from
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech, defensive tackle. And I watched the film head
Speaker 1: him last night and talk about a defensive not a
Speaker 1: big guy.
Speaker 3: I think he's I saw something in the city's six
Speaker 3: foot He's six foot two, five pounds. Not a big man,
Speaker 3: but he.
Speaker 1: Has the juice as a pass rusher man, he's got
Speaker 1: the juice. And so in a scheme defensively, at least
Speaker 1: in Dallas that prioritized into your pass rushers, like, I
Speaker 1: bet you if you come to training camp and this
Speaker 1: guy's healthy, he's gonna win everyone.
Speaker 5: On hold on, take about I'm reading this right, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: read that out to. He was PFF grade third ahead
Speaker 5: of Johnny Newton for.
Speaker 3: Pastor past like.
Speaker 1: He also had uh in terms of winning percentage on
Speaker 1: true past sets, ninety grade and twenty pressures. Right, so
Speaker 1: he's tied with Byron Murphy. That's the that was the
Speaker 1: first defensive tackle. Like, dude has juice. Yes, he's just small.
Speaker 2: I've been saying he just didn't look the part.
Speaker 5: But guess what, he's on the right team. Because one
Speaker 5: of the things you know about this defense, yeah, as
Speaker 5: you've seen it, Yeah, it traveled from a lot of
Speaker 5: different places. They find a spot for you, whatever you
Speaker 5: can do best, and they slides you in there and
Speaker 5: let you go out there and be special.
Speaker 2: So reminds me of Lionel the Snail Dalton. I played
Speaker 2: with Lionel Dalton.
Speaker 3: He was a detail is the real name?
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I named him the Snell that he was slow.
Speaker 6: No, he just looked like a snail, Like his face
Speaker 6: out like he looked like a snail.
Speaker 2: He's like what he like like he didn't like sound
Speaker 2: like a cat. You know it.
Speaker 6: It was so funny because it was he wasn't sponge bossing.
Speaker 6: I know they'll call the player to be third that.
Speaker 6: I was like, go get him snail right on the
Speaker 6: Snail Dalton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you said he reminded you of yeah, because Snail
Speaker 3: was undersized.
Speaker 2: If if I brought h me here right now. You
Speaker 2: be like that ain't no d line.
Speaker 6: But boy, between Kansas City and here, put up stats
Speaker 6: like I could always count on the snail to get
Speaker 6: after the quarterback.
Speaker 5: So he was like Alexander for us, he was like
Speaker 5: O just like just like we didn't know where they
Speaker 5: had to put. Joe was just a ball player. Yes,
Speaker 5: we had at full back.
Speaker 7: We had yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And that's how he got the name one man gag
Speaker 2: I named the neck.
Speaker 1: Because I like do I remember talking to people from
Speaker 1: different teams about Zoe, like on special teams, and they
Speaker 1: were like legitimately afraid.
Speaker 3: They were like they had like it was something wrong
Speaker 3: with him, talking about Randy Moss flu or whatever like that.
Speaker 1: People like bottom of the roster guys, you have to
Speaker 1: play every game where you're gonna get cut.
Speaker 3: Had like Lorenzo Alexander flew. He was just knocking dudes unconscious. Man.
Speaker 2: No, And we had this is team core.
Speaker 6: We had Zoe, We had Rock cop right, Mike Sailor, and.
Speaker 2: We had Carrie Campbell that was out.
Speaker 6: Guess what all four of you guys gonna put a
Speaker 6: mustache on your face?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 1: Like I just remember watching like the first time in
Speaker 1: a game, you know, watching those dudes cover a kick.
Speaker 3: It was terrify watch.
Speaker 5: Them on the team though, Like if you ever seen that,
Speaker 5: like my view of it, bro slashed.
Speaker 6: Your boy used to take people out of the return
Speaker 6: a smitty.
Speaker 2: I used to rick shot if I catch you not looking,
Speaker 2: that's the best. That's the way it was.
Speaker 1: I remember Mike Sellers on punt return being on the
Speaker 1: line at him literally because he was huge, huge, and
Speaker 1: he would just grab the dude right here on the
Speaker 1: shoulder pads and let the move. And he would just
Speaker 1: stand at the line of scrimmage and the dude was
Speaker 1: like and he could not get off the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: And I was like, this is just a different bitches
Speaker 1: five hundred.
Speaker 5: First of all, man, you know, shouting to Mike Settles
Speaker 5: when I heard his surgery.
Speaker 6: Surgery went well, new heart transplants, Thanks so much.
Speaker 2: A man is up walking, he's looking strong.
Speaker 6: At the end of the day, it's blessed by blessed
Speaker 6: by somebody else.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what's up. But I remember getting here and
Speaker 5: hearing the story that he didn't go to He didn't
Speaker 5: go to go to college. He went to junior he went,
Speaker 5: he went to Canada. Yes, and I'm like, hold on,
Speaker 5: you didn't say that again. He was like, yeah, I
Speaker 5: played pro.
Speaker 2: He's only had one year Junie Cars and I went
Speaker 2: to I went.
Speaker 3: And he was the youngest in football, eighteen and a half.
Speaker 6: And when he got off the bus they were like, no,
Speaker 6: he can't.
Speaker 2: Years.
Speaker 1: When I first talk about those metal lockers, I was
Speaker 1: at my metal locker. First they put my stuff in there,
Speaker 1: and Mike walked in and I was like, that's gotta
Speaker 1: be like a defensive tack, you know.
Speaker 3: Like that what they looked like.
Speaker 1: And then and that's a big and then someone was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's Mike Sellers and I was like, I am not
Speaker 1: gonna because.
Speaker 2: If that's what a freaking fullback.
Speaker 5: Mike was like that that what you call it when
Speaker 5: he can play tight end in full back. He was
Speaker 5: in between like and it was crazy because I remember
Speaker 5: we had plays where we'll say we got two tight ends.
Speaker 5: We got COOLi and Mike, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: Like my first couple of years here and I'm like,
Speaker 5: this dude here can come kind of just we put
Speaker 5: him at d N A couple of plays too.
Speaker 2: Greg Greg William Greg tried him out of d N.
Speaker 6: He was a psychle man man, listen man. When you
Speaker 6: get a body type like that. I remember when I
Speaker 6: first met Mike. He was in Cleveland and we were
Speaker 6: playing Cleveland in the preseason and Mike was just played here,
Speaker 6: like Mike played here two stints, so he was stapping
Speaker 6: everybody up before the game.
Speaker 2: I was like, d Green, who is that? He was like, oh,
Speaker 2: they Mike Sell. He a full back. Watch out for
Speaker 2: that power. I'm like what you mean? I like, I
Speaker 2: tell you what if I got to hit.
Speaker 6: Him, they's gonna be lun loan listen to me. And
Speaker 6: they tossed the sweep to death do us pull? I
Speaker 6: cut him so low. I got a so so made
Speaker 6: because you know he had to lead. I like, well,
Speaker 6: you build like a spoon. I know not to go
Speaker 6: hound you though, No, Like yeah, I realized, like some
Speaker 6: of these guys are truly intimidate. And I remember first
Speaker 6: seeing Mike and I was like, I don't know how
Speaker 6: long I got any league.
Speaker 3: He made me feel that said was.
Speaker 1: I remember watching a cut up and we were just
Speaker 1: looking at like it was like past fifteen week, which
Speaker 1: is like where the fullback leads up on the linebacker
Speaker 1: then runs to the flat and it was like James
Speaker 1: Harrison off the ball and James Harrison was like.
Speaker 3: A monster dude.
Speaker 1: And Mike hit this dude so hard he like cart
Speaker 1: wielding James Harrison and then what's the flat? Like it
Speaker 1: was like a speed bump and I just played James Harrison.
Speaker 1: I was like, who are you? Like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: But yeah, they don't build him that way.
Speaker 5: And Mike was reason my guys like might make me
Speaker 5: make that business decision A long time ago. When I
Speaker 5: was the corner coming into high school, I was like,
Speaker 5: do I want to tackle guys like that?
Speaker 2: Because you get kids took it in high school.
Speaker 5: You're like, man, running backs look that big, like damn
Speaker 5: you know a lineman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get back to I think Mike was the
Speaker 1: udf A right, Yes, he was undrafted free agent.
Speaker 3: So let's get back to that.
Speaker 1: If you were giving advice to these guys, we just
Speaker 1: talked to her, just guys, right, yeah, what advice would
Speaker 1: you give them? So hey, U d face, you got
Speaker 1: to sit down there in front of you right now.
Speaker 3: Let's see I.
Speaker 6: Find you a veteran in that locker room and learn
Speaker 6: his habits like not only just learn his habits, understand
Speaker 6: his mindset, and hopefully you can find a veteran that's
Speaker 6: an undrafted free agent. Nobody then rocked your walk, and
Speaker 6: walk your path and let them tell you how important
Speaker 6: every practice, every play, every every time you get, every
Speaker 6: time your numbers called to get in there, take it
Speaker 6: like it's your last.
Speaker 5: I say, find your edge. I think your edge would.
Speaker 5: But mostly just you know, one of the things that
Speaker 5: I learned in college when I, you know, came in
Speaker 5: and being where I was at, I was too naive
Speaker 5: to understand where I was at, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I was happy for the ride. You know, at worst,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be truck shot. So whatever happens here, I'm
Speaker 5: ready sure that anyway, I ain't nothing, not gonna lose.
Speaker 5: But the way I got on the field was coach
Speaker 5: said that he say, every day, when you come off
Speaker 5: this field, make sure we're saying something positive about it. Yes,
Speaker 5: I'm like and I so now that I got that
Speaker 5: little knowing that little like bub bub there, And so
Speaker 5: I tried to every time I'm out there, I get
Speaker 5: a chance, I'm winning, I'm winning my one on one.
Speaker 5: I got to know all my assignments, assignment a lineman assiment.
Speaker 5: I want to line up right and know the assignment.
Speaker 5: I want to know my coverages like find the Edge.
Speaker 5: Always always make the guy that's in front of you
Speaker 5: do more than what he did, show up, show him up.
Speaker 5: And then when it's all over, how many reps you're
Speaker 5: gonna get after its how much finwork you gonna get
Speaker 5: in last person before you know, while everybody going home
Speaker 5: on their brakes. I'm from Miami. I hated the film work,
Speaker 5: but guess what I wanted to you can you can
Speaker 5: put up this film and show me how to readcover
Speaker 5: two a little differently, and show me how to read
Speaker 5: this cover six like I ain't never heard of cover six.
Speaker 5: Like I was always trying to get in some kind
Speaker 5: of way, but I didn't know that he taught me that.
Speaker 5: You know, that coach, that particular coach taught me that.
Speaker 5: So I would tell a guy find your edge, put
Speaker 5: in more film work than the next guy, put in
Speaker 5: more work on the field after practice, and before you
Speaker 5: know it, they're gonna be like, hey man, you see
Speaker 5: this guy keep coming here showing up because it's going
Speaker 5: to show up on film. It's gonna show up on
Speaker 5: the field like you're gonna see your play elevate when
Speaker 5: you put in all that work.
Speaker 3: That's school, that's real right there. I appreciate. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I wish you would have told me that when I
Speaker 1: was rookie, But I would say that you're not gonna
Speaker 1: get as many opportunities. There's everybody else. Ye got to
Speaker 1: maximize those opportunities. Treat every play like its super Bowl.
Speaker 5: And I would say, you know what, when you're saying that,
Speaker 5: don't be in your feelings. Don't get in your feelings
Speaker 5: because you're gonna make plays that the guy who probably
Speaker 5: two spots in front of you didn't make. But don't
Speaker 5: be mad that he got the next record and you
Speaker 5: didn't get record. Coach, see they see it, and if
Speaker 5: they don't see it, somebody else would.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they see it. That's exactly right. You know.
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel not Curtis Chris Samuel Christ told me that
Speaker 1: he knew I was going to make the team in
Speaker 1: twenty ten, and it was this is what happened.
Speaker 3: So it was a.
Speaker 1: Ball that got We were doing like a live period
Speaker 1: and I was running like a corner on the backside,
Speaker 1: like you know, individual back side, and there was a.
Speaker 3: Fumble on the left side of the field and I
Speaker 3: was just so dumb.
Speaker 1: I just sprinted as hard as I could over there
Speaker 1: and I recovered the football.
Speaker 3: I've passed people up and he's like, that's what I know.
Speaker 3: You're gonna make it. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was something that I had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with job, with my job. It just was like football
Speaker 1: is important to this guy. You're going to go the
Speaker 1: extra mile and like any opportunity you have to show
Speaker 1: that with the film, getting with the veteran all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So hey, good luck, guys. We appreciate you, and I
Speaker 1: think that's going to do it for Toda's show. Good yeah,
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