1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World, I'm joined by Peter 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: Navarro to talk about his new book, Taking Back Trump's America, 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Why We Lost the White House and How We'll Win 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: it Back, which is a follow up to his bestseller 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: in Trump Time. He's joining me to talk about why 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: he believes Trump lost the White House in twenty twenty 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: and how he will win it back in twenty twenty four. 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: I have to say he is very honest in this 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: book about his observations about key players in the Trump 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: White House. We've known each other a long time. Peter 11 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: has been a champion for America and is one of 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: the first people to warn about China. So I'm really 13 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: pleased to welcome my guests, Peter Navarro. He is one 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: of only three senior White House officials who remained with 15 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: President Trump from the two sixteen presidential campaign the end 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: of his chairman office. As Director of the Office of 17 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: Trade and Manufacturing Policy, he served as policy coordinator for 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: the Defense Production Act during the pandemic and was a 19 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: principal architect of Trump's tariff trade and tough on China policies. Peter, 20 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: it's great to be with you again. Welcome and thank you. 21 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: For joining me on the news world, dude. It's an honor, 22 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: a great pleasure. This Taking Back Trump's America book is 23 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: not a book to me anymore. It's a mission. We 24 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: are in a situation in this country where our economy 25 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: is worse than I've ever seen it, and it's going 26 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: to be worse than the seventies. We are in a 27 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: situation where we have an invasion on our southern border 28 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: that's unprecedented, and national security is threatened around the world 29 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: from the likes of Shijin paying Vladimir Putin, rocket Man 30 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: in North Korea, and the Mola's in Iran. These are 31 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: perilous times. What I'm hoping to take back Trump's America 32 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: is we outdo you, sir. You are the hero of 33 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: the Gingridge Revolution. You engineered one of the most definitive 34 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: victories for the Republican Party and brought about great change. 35 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: Because of that, we need another Gingridge Revolution, as I 36 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: document in Taking Back Trump's America Nude. In order to 37 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: get Trump back in the White House in twenty twenty four, 38 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: the first major step is to rip that gavel from 39 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi's hands peacefully through the ballot box. In the 40 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: next dirty days, and what I'm urging everybody to do 41 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: and show up on game day, certainly in that November election, 42 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: but between now and then, find a candidate in a 43 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: toss up race in the House of Representatives and throw 44 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: your support behind them in any way you can. We 45 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: want to see a Gingridge revel luction. I think new 46 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: didn't you pick up a net seventy? Now we got 47 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: fifty four seats, and then John Byner in twenty ten 48 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: got sixty three. And I tell people, I think it's 49 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: conceivable that we'll get at least fifty seats in the 50 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: House and probably three to seven in the Senate. But 51 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: I think you're right. It requires everybody who cares about 52 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: America to go out and vote. Well, these toss up 53 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,119 Speaker 1: races are really the key, and we have them spread out. 54 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: Zat none against Cindy Axney and Iowa three. She's an 55 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: incumbent Democrat, Zach good candidate. He should win. Joe kenn 56 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,839 Speaker 1: Out in Washington. He's underfunded, but in a position where 57 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: he can win. And then, of course there's the other 58 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: key races deguing the battleground states for governor, which is 59 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: Kerry Lake in Arizona. Tutor Dixon in Michigan and Doug 60 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: Mastron in Pennsylvania. And trust I never seen him quite 61 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: as energized in an off year. I mean, he's doing 62 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: rallies every week, had really getting behind things. But I 63 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: think what you and I having a frank discussion, we 64 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: know that the biggest existential threat to this country is 65 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: communist China. We know that Joe Biden and his regime 66 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: showing weakness, having bolden Shijinping, and that's very dangerous to us. 67 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: I think we would agree that if Trump were in office, 68 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: we would have never had to worry about Putin going 69 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: into Ukraine as he did. We know the rocket man 70 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: in North Korea would not just fired off a missile 71 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: over Tokyo. And these are the kinds of things where 72 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: elections matter. And what I do Newton, the Taking Back 73 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: Trump's America book is trying to provide people a clear 74 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: explanation of who the deplorables are. They're black, brown, blue 75 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: collar Americans, middle class families with traditional values who want 76 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: nothing more than prosperity and security for themselves. They are 77 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: not domestic terrorists when they go to the PTA and 78 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: complain about social issues being taught as indoctrination to their children. 79 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: We are not domestic terrorists if we question the election, 80 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: and I think it's important to understand the difference I 81 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: think between traditional Republicanism where Trump Republicanism. Traditional Republicans who 82 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: have always agreed, Look, we love low tax burden, particularly 83 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 1: for the middle class. We love a low regulatory burden, 84 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: particularly for small business. We love strategic energy dominance which 85 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: keeps gasoline prices low and doesn't get off from foreign 86 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: wars in the Middle East. We all agree on that 87 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: as Republicans. There's no question about that. And it's not 88 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: Republicans who agree on that. It's like independence, it's a 89 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: broad swath of this country. The thing that really differentiates 90 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: Trump from the traditional Republican Trump will call rhinos is 91 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: a couple of issues. Anyone is this border issue. I mean, 92 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: there's a ideological debate in the Republican party. Do we 93 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: want unlimited immigration across the boarder gets you cheap labor, 94 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: drive down the wages, particularly of lower income people, or 95 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: do we want secure borders? And Trump clearly comes out 96 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: on that. And of course the big issue for me 97 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: was always fair trade with the rest of the world, 98 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: particularly with China, and this is what's being fought about 99 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: new We proved this, particularly in the first three years 100 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: of the administration, before China launched the virus status. We 101 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: proved that we could have prosperous economic growth without inflation 102 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: and peace in the rest of the world. We do 103 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: not have any of that now, sir. By the way, 104 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: I have to mention you comment on Zach Nunne. Yesterday 105 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: I did an event in Des Moines for Zach. Oh, 106 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: come on, you didn't really now, No, it's a pure coincidence. 107 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: I'll tell you. The most interesting thing I found is 108 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: his opponent, Cindy Axney, was in Paris voting absentee well 109 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: under their proxy system. And Greg Gansky, an old friend 110 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: who had been in Congress, pointed out that the contract 111 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety four called for abolishing proxy voting like that, 112 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: and that the new commitment calls for abolishing the proxy voting, 113 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: which is how Nancy has been able to dominate the House. 114 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: But it turned out that Cindy Acney had filled out 115 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: a form saying that because of COVID she couldn't come 116 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: to vote as she was sending her proxy vote, but 117 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: in fact she was in Paris at a wedding having 118 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: a good time while her vote was being cast in Washington, 119 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: and I think that could end up being the issue 120 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: that side that ruction. The average Iowan doesn't think you 121 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: should be allowed to skip work, go to Paris and 122 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: pretend you're at work, and that's what they were doing, 123 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: so you happen to mental race I was actually in 124 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: the middle of. But let me ask you one thing, 125 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: because you've had such an amazing experience of working very 126 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: closely with the President, and I think you're one of 127 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: the people who most deeply influenced him. Give us one 128 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: or two examples of what it was like to work 129 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: directly with Donald Trump. Well. I think one of the 130 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: great strengths of Donald Trump is that he constantly seeks 131 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: different points of view and information, and he's voracious in 132 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: consuming that. I always found him when I was in 133 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: the oval for him to be the smartest guy in 134 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: the room. He's not necessarily going to have all the 135 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: facts in his command when he brings in an export, 136 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: but he'll be able to draw that out of people. 137 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: What's interesting to mean, dude, is that if somebody goes 138 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: down the road and they're going to tell him something, 139 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: he often knows exactly what the people are going to say, 140 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: so he'll shut him up and move him along. Okay, 141 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: he'll listen, but then he moved quickly. Doesn't suffer fools gladly, 142 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: and so I found that way of operating to be wonderful. 143 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: I thought that Kelly in particular, as a chief of 144 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: staff was disastrous because he tried to wall the president off, 145 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: but by the same token as I document, and he 146 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: noted it in the intro and taking Back Trump's America. 147 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: Too often he was surrounded in the West Wing, the 148 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 1: Roosevelt Room, and the Oval Cabinet room by people who actually, 149 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: in my judgment, shouldn't have even been there. I gotta 150 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: give you an example taking Back Trump's America book, I 151 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: talk about a meeting early on in the administration in 152 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen where the President is really chafing at the 153 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: bit because we're not executing on his trade policy as 154 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: he promised. In Pittsburgh in June twenty sixteen, It's like, 155 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: what's going on here? So he's sitting in the middle 156 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: of the table. I'm at the other end. He's got 157 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: most of the cabinet there, all of the West Wing 158 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: top personnel there goes around the room and we get 159 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: to the end, Mute, and there were only two people 160 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: in the room who supported his trade policy. It was 161 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: me and him, and his eyebrows kind of went up 162 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: and he looked around, and at that point he understood 163 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: that there was a personnel problem in the White House, 164 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: and you know the old personnel's policy, Reagan saying, well, 165 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: my problem was bad personnel. Was not just bad policy, 166 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: but it turned out to be bad politics. It was 167 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: an interesting ride, and it's interesting, Nute, that I was 168 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: one of only three people that was with him from 169 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: the campaign all the way to the end. You found 170 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: the rhythm of talking with him about a topic he 171 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: really cared. But I think because of his business background, 172 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: he was as concerned about our trade policy, about regulations 173 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: and about taxes and about tariffs, and he understood their 174 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: linkages or checkly to the rise of China. It always 175 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: struck me that you were a key link in how 176 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: he thought that through, and that's why I was just curious. 177 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: And are very few people who got the rhythm of 178 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: how to dance with him, and they kept trying to 179 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: reshape him, and that was impossible. He was an already 180 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: a mature adult billionaire presidented states, you weren't likely going 181 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: to teach him how to be a different version of 182 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: Donald Trump at that stage of his life. Through that, 183 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: I think the dynamic in our relationship was quite simple. 184 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: He knew that I would always tell him the truth 185 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: as I saw no matter whether he liked it or not. 186 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: He does not like yes people, okay. He wants people 187 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: who will stand up for their positions, and I think 188 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: also understood that of the people in the White House, 189 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: I was one of the few people who didn't grasp 190 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: dating back almost as long as he had the existential 191 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: threat China posed, not just militarily but economically, and that 192 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: we were effectively in sync on the trade issue. I mean, look, 193 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: it's like you yourself come from a long strain of republicanism, 194 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 1: which historically supported free trade. And that's all well and good, 195 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: But at some point there's an epiphany where if China 196 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: is engaging what I would call the seven deadly sins, 197 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: if they're stealing our intellectual property, if they're subsidizing all 198 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: our industries, their state owned enterprises are running rampant, they're 199 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: manipulating their currency, Yeah, at any given point in time, Yeah, 200 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: the stuff cheap in Walmart. But over time we lose 201 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: our factories or jobs or wages, and people descend into 202 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: this economic hell. He understood that, I understood it, and 203 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: we constantly had to fight people in the White House 204 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: who didn't. So I guess I was an ally. Yeah, 205 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: there's a funny story in the Taking Back. Trump's marrying 206 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: a book about me walking into the over. Then there's 207 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: General Maddis at the Pentagon and Rex Tillerson, Secretary of State. 208 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: Okay too big, high rank and official, and these guys 209 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: are telling Trump that he can't renegotiate the trade deal 210 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: with South Korea because it would upset the military alliance there. 211 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: And Trump's trying to explain to them that if you 212 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: sacrifice economic security on the altar of national security, you 213 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: lose both. And in the South Korea case, new if 214 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: we hadn't renegotiated that deal, we literally would not have 215 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: a pickup industry, which is one of our most important 216 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: types of factories in this country. And by the way, 217 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: if we go to war, would be easily inverted to 218 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: wartime use. And so he brings me in and it's 219 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: like I have to talk to these two guys and 220 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: ways which I'm sure they didn't really appreciate, but that's 221 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: what those words needed to be said. And I kept thinking, 222 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: why the hell are these guys even here if they 223 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: didn't support the president's agenda to begin with. And that's, 224 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, the Reagan thing. You know, Reagan got it right, 225 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: Nixon did not. I love Buchanan's book on the Nixon 226 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: White House where he talks about kind of the lost 227 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: opportunities for conservatism because Richard Nixon had too many liberals 228 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: in there running amuckt HI, this is newt. 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There's a great story about 243 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: Jim Baker being in a cabinet meeting and advocating a 244 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: tax increase, and after he gets done, Reagan has taken 245 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: his glasses off at it's sort of quarreling them and 246 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: he looks atting me, says, Jim, if you believe what 247 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: you just said, why are you in this administration? And 248 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: Baker began backpattling like crazy and turned to Dharmin later 249 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: and said, we will never ever again to discuss a 250 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: tax increase. What he's president. But it was that kind 251 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: of sense of Reagan knew where he was taking us, 252 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: and he had had eight years as governor of California 253 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: to learn a lot of stuff, Whereas I think we 254 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: tend to forget that from Reagan's first speech for Goldwater 255 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: in sixty four to becoming president sixteen years later, he'd 256 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: had a long time to put together a team, to 257 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: put together a policy. And Trump, as you know, entered 258 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: the White House in the middle of chaos, having come 259 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: out of nowhere. There was no national Trump Network, there 260 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: was no equivalent of heritage for Trump, and I think 261 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: the result was that he had a lot of people 262 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: around him who, even if they meant well, didn't really 263 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: get the rhythm of what he was doing. That's exactly right. 264 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: And the taking back Trump's American book is really in 265 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: two parts. You know. The second part is how we 266 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: went it back, but the first part really goes back 267 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: to the beginning. New I'm in the campaign, then we win, 268 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: and I met the transition in the war room at 269 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: Trump Tower. And the original sin of the administration, to 270 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: your point, came literally the day after the election, when 271 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: the decision was made to bring in the r NC, 272 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: the Republican National Committee, the Bush Cheney traditional Republicans, under 273 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: the assumption that we needed to staff whate as you know, 274 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: is a very deep state, and the thinking was that 275 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: these people would come in and be loyal both this 276 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: is an important distinction both the Trump himself and to 277 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: his agenda, and in many cases they turned out to 278 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: be disloyal to both of those things. And Bob Lighthouse, 279 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: the trade representative, whom I'm sure you know Well used 280 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: to joke after we'd have these knockdown, drag out fights 281 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: with the globalist wing, the ma Nuchins and the Gary 282 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: Cones and the Larry Cudlow's of this world, that there 283 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: were two types of people in the White House, the 284 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: ones who wanted to save the world from Trump, then 285 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: guys like me and Bob who thought Trump would save 286 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: the world with his policies. But it was a fundamental 287 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: era of nude. I love you telling that story about 288 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: Baker because that was like one guy speaking contrary to 289 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: Reagan's thaying, and he got spanked. On a daily basis. 290 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: I'd be sitting in the Oval or the Roosevelt Room 291 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: fighting just about everybody else, and it was uncanny that 292 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: that would happen. It just was like I would wake 293 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: up pretty equally in twenty seventeen. I wake up every 294 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: day just thinking to myself, how did this happen? Why 295 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: are these people here? What is going on? But look 296 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: the Boss, he's smart. He got rid of every single 297 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: one him. He only wanted to really survived the whole way. 298 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: As Treasury Secretary Manuchin, and as I documented taking back 299 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: Trump's America, he during our China negotiations would constantly back 300 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: channel the communist side behind everybody's back. He'd undercut Lightheiser, 301 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: and he did it. I don't think he did it 302 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: for noble purposes. I think he did it just instinctually 303 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: and like they thought he might cash in later down 304 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: the road. He didn't see them as an existential threat either, 305 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: like you and I do. Well. I think also, to 306 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: be fair to Steve, he represented a business class in 307 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: New York who had made billions out of China. The 308 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: number of billionaires whose wallet is more important than their 309 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: country is frankly pretty sobering. Well, I think you hit 310 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 1: that on the head. I mean, he, in some sense 311 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: was the Treasury Secretary for Steve Schwartzman and Larry Fink 312 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: and black Rock and Goldman and all of that. Where 313 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: Steve he came, he came directly from them. But that 314 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: gets to the question of the importance of loyalty again. 315 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: A great story in taking back Trump's America about what 316 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: I call the three Generals. You know, we had hr 317 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: McMaster at the National Security Council. He took over when 318 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: the FBI kind of unfairly illegally took out the legs 319 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: of Mike Flynn. So he's there. We have Maddess at 320 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: the Pentagon, and we have Kelly as chief of staff, 321 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: and look nude. The first rule in the military is 322 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: what obey the chain of command. You don't have a 323 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: chain at command, you don't have a fighting for us. 324 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: Yet I would see these three generals, on a consistent 325 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: basis disobey their commander in chief. He would tell them 326 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: to do stuff, and they would disobey that. And that 327 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: was a corporal or private below those generals. They'd be 328 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: in the brig for a very long time. Yet those 329 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: guys would do that, and I'd find no conscionable reason 330 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: for that. And I get back to why personnel is 331 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: so important in a White house, sir. But you go 332 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: on to say in your new book, I'm quoting here, 333 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: whatever the challenges Trump had under the Joe Biden regime, 334 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: everything that can go wrong seemingly is going wrong. Do 335 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: you really see it as that bleak? Yes, bleaker now 336 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: than when I wrote those words, Because my training is 337 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: in macroeconomics. I got a PhD from Harvard. I spent 338 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: about a decade on z NBC as a contributor forecasting markets, 339 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: and I was usually pretty damn good at that, And 340 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: what we have now, Dude, is this combination of recession 341 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: and inflation known as stagflation. That's a rare events and 342 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: economics because usually the standard Keynesian tools can solve that problem. 343 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: If you have a recession, usually inflation falls, you don't 344 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: have to worry about that. So with Keynesie and tools, 345 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: all you have to do for a recession is stimulate 346 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: the economy. But when you do that in stagflation, you 347 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: make inflation works. And if you try to control inflation, 348 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: like the Federal Reserve is doing now, all you do 349 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: is stimulate the recessionary part of the problem. And what 350 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: I'm seeing is just mistake after a mistake, which is 351 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: digging us a deeper stagflation hole. Interesting only enough, in 352 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: the Taking Back Trump's America book, there's a chapter on 353 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: the economy where I actually reprise a memo that I 354 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: wrote to Chief of Staff Meadows for the President that 355 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: warned September of twenty twenty new of stagflation brought about 356 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: by the structural changes that were coming because of how 357 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: COVID was hitting us and how we were handling COVID. 358 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: So this is not like a misty on COVID alone, 359 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: the way the resiliency of the global supply chains fell apart, 360 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: you were going to get stagflation. Now what Joe Biden 361 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: has done over and above that, for example, his Vacts mandates. 362 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: You can argue about whether that's good or bad. I 363 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: get that, okay, But a Vacts mandate in and of 364 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: itself really drove a lot of people out of the workforce. 365 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: Even as a complicated particularly or transportation networks. That was 366 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: a stagflationary shock. At the same time, you've got this Congress, Nude, 367 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: if you were in Congress now watching what was going on, 368 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: you'd be standing up on your desk every single day 369 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: screaming at these people trillions and trillions and trillions of 370 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: unnecessary expenditures stimulating inflation. So my point here, sir, is 371 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: that these people don't know what they're doing macroeconomically. The 372 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: stock market, which has been levitating, and the market are 373 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: going down at the same time as I forecast by 374 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: the way back in November, and yeah, it's bleaker than 375 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: I see it. It's a politician induced disaster. It's very 376 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: much a self inflicted wound. And I get back to 377 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: what I told you at the beginning, Dude, we need 378 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 1: a Gangridge style revolution in thirty days at the ballot 379 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: box on the basis of Republicans running strong on the economy, 380 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: the economy, and the economy. And I think we're gonna 381 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: get that if we do what we need to do, 382 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: which is get out on game day in between now 383 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: and then help candidates like Zach Nun takeout incumbents like 384 00:24:46,040 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: Cyndi Axton. I had the feeling that we are going 385 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: to see a remarkable election, and I keep telling candidates 386 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: campaign at grocery stores, campaign at gas stations, be everywhere 387 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: where people notice the price of things, and I think 388 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: that's probably sixty or sixty five percent of the campaign. 389 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: I think crime, particularly in places that have big cities, 390 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: is a very very strong issue, not controlling the border, 391 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: particularly as it relates to fentanyl, which is killing thousands 392 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: of Americans every month. In fact, we lost last year 393 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: over one hundred thousand Americans to drug overdoses, which is 394 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: twice the death rate of the entire Vietnam War. And 395 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: I think people respond and understand that. And then finally 396 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: I find parents are so upset about how the teachers 397 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: Union has become weird that the whole notion of returning 398 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: power to parents is an extraordinarily powerful issue. I think 399 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: if Republicans stick to and they are so far, you 400 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: see in all these center races, everything is moving towards 401 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: the Republicans because when you get to the issues, the 402 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: Democrats just don't have anything positive to say but a 403 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: piece of that, and it may be too late for 404 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,239 Speaker 1: the next thirty days, but it's going to be. One 405 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: of the keys to twenty twenty four is really focusing 406 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: on China and communicating China to the American people. How 407 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: would you go about advising the new Congress and advising 408 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: potential presidential candidates to deal with the issue of China. 409 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: Great question. Let me just say one other thing about 410 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: this election coming up. One of the key seismic shifts 411 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: has been Hispanics moving strongly towards the Republican Party, particularly 412 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: in places like the Rio Grand Valley, and I think 413 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: that's going to be really important. And Democrats have made 414 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: the mistake of thinking that Latinos have the same kind 415 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: of value as woke, progressive secularius, when in fact nothing 416 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: could be further from the truth. So I think that's 417 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: going to matter too with respect to communist China. Let's 418 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: be clear, it's communist China. It is and hopefully will 419 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: not always be, but it's communist China. I start new 420 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: with just a recognition of what I call they popped 421 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: you talk about it and taking back Trump's America has done. 422 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: Chris Wallace one Sunday when I was in the administration, 423 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: and he asked me, you know why you go as 424 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: hop on China. It comes out the seven deadly sins. 425 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: People need to understand that on a daily basis, communist 426 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: China is just stealing everything from us. It's the intellectual properties, 427 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: after currency manipulation, everything in between. And that seventh sin 428 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: is the fentanyl that comes from China now often through Mexico. 429 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: What we need first and foremost is certainly to keep 430 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: the tariffs on, but I think we need to move 431 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: to a decoupling from the Chinese economy. It was a 432 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: statistical epiphany for me Newe that the size of our 433 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: trade deficit, what consumers basically spend at the walmarts, is 434 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: roughly equivalent to the size of the Chinese military budget. Okay, 435 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: so we need certainly to put an end to Chinese aggression. 436 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: And look, I spent four years in that administration trying 437 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: to negotiate with them. They will not abide by anything 438 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: that they sign. You cannot trust them, So you can't 439 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: resolve this in a civil fashion through trade negotiations. You 440 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: just have to get tough with respect to the national 441 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: security issues. We have to rethink our naval strategy. For example, 442 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: I wrote a book back in twenty fifteen, Crouching Tiger, 443 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: about the rise of the Chinese military. You know, it's 444 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: a seven minute missile ride from the mainland to China 445 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: to the Taiwan Island. Our aircraft carriers jokingly are referred 446 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: to sitting ducks in the South China Sea, and we 447 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: need to take that threat seriously and not view them, 448 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: as Biden does, as pure competitors, but as strategic rivals 449 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: and treat them accordion. The last thing, dude, I mean, look, 450 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: how long have we been hearing politicians on Capitol Hill 451 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: talk tough on China and do absolutely nothing. Okay, It's 452 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: time to kind of actually do what we need to do, 453 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll have the resolve for that. Trump had 454 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: the result for it, and he got a lot done 455 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: on that. Well, you know, Kevin McCarthy, the Republican leader 456 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: has said they will set up a specifically China committee 457 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: and they will move legislation focused on China in the 458 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: new Congress. And I think in that sense that your 459 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: message is being to reach a lot of people. Well, 460 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: you know, Kevin's interesting to me. When I was in 461 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: the administration, we were urgently trying to shut down the 462 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: ability of the communist Chinese state and owned enterprises to 463 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: bid on our metro systems because those state owned enterprises 464 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: were highly subsidized in using all of the tricks of 465 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: the trade to undercut our domestic manufacturing. And if we 466 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: lose our bus and rail production in this country, again, 467 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: we diminish our manufacturing base. And McCarthy at one point 468 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: played a very key role in blocking our ability to 469 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: do so. So I think one of the issues that 470 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: raised for me was the role of Chinese money in 471 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: American politics and how it's fineled in various ways. Look nude, 472 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: if I had a dime for every person on Capitol 473 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: Hill talked up on China, including Chuck Schumer, I'd have 474 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: a lot of dimes here. So my point is that 475 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: the wolf is not just at our door, It's got 476 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: two feet inside it. And I'd love to see action 477 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: Action Action, which is the canon of the Taking Back 478 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: Trump's America book. Well, I think, Frank, that's why Taking 479 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: Back Trump's America's an important book. And I also think that, 480 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: without giving you a certain level of credit, you and 481 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: Jiji and Ping have both done a lot to educate 482 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: the American people that China is a real threat. I mean, 483 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: every time you'd warn about something, he'd come along within 484 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: three months and actually do it. And the result has 485 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: been I think we're much less willing to tolerate the 486 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: Chinese than we were, say a couple of years ago. 487 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: And I give you a lot of credit for having 488 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: gotten the American people and gotten the leadership of the 489 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: country to begin to under stand us. In your new book, 490 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: Taking Back Trump's America, Why we Lost the White House 491 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: and How We'll win it back, is essential reading for 492 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: people who want to understand what happened and what we 493 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: need to do to get the country back. And as 494 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: you pointed out, with the Biden administration's total disaster both 495 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: at home and abroad, we desperately need the outcome you 496 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: describe in Taking Back Tromps America. So if I want 497 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: to thank you, we're going to post your book on 498 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: our website, and we want to make sure that people 499 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: realize how important it is. I really appreciate you joining 500 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: me on newts World, Sir. You are indeed a patriot. 501 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: You've made great changes in this country already. You can 502 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: rest on your laurels. You're not doing that. Let's have 503 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: a gingriage revolution in November here, sir, And it's always 504 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: an honor to talk with you nude. Thank you to 505 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: my guests Peter Navarro. You can get a link to 506 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: buy his new book, Taking Back Trump's America, Why We 507 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: Lost the White House and How Will Win It Back 508 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: on our show page at newtsworld dot com. 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