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Speaker 1: What is going on? Everybody? John Middlecoff Freeing Out podcast

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Speaker 1: Boots on the Ground in Indianapolis in my hotel room.

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Speaker 1: Took the red eye last night from California. Uh slammed

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Speaker 1: I walked in my hotel and I see this good

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury. Looks pretty good in person. I saw a

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Speaker 1: bunch of scouting buddies and my guy Do Staley and

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Speaker 1: plan is to have talked to Howie Roseman, Matt Naggye,

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid. Uh, I got some I got some other

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Speaker 1: But you know, I'll play the hits guys. I know

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Speaker 1: uh that they always say. Yes. It's just a really,

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Speaker 1: really crazy time for these guys just in general. So um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk to some different people. I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: also just excited to this is a good week for

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Speaker 1: me just to be here and get a feel for

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Speaker 1: the draft and free agency, just talking to my buddies

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Speaker 1: good who's not. Besides you know, I I watched as

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Speaker 1: much college football as anyone, but I don't watch it

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Speaker 1: the same way I used to. And when when you scout,

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Speaker 1: when you dive deep, when you know the character stuff,

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Speaker 1: you know the injury history, you know some things that

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Speaker 1: scout scouts, we don't know. And that's where this this

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a ton of stories. Well we'll dive

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Speaker 1: into that off the top. Uh then just some other

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Speaker 1: big draft stories of just actual college players and the

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Speaker 1: dominoes that are gonna happen with the quarterbacks are are

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Speaker 1: gonna be nuts, but really quick before we dive into

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Speaker 1: the show, appreciate everyone that went to the Three and

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Speaker 1: The actual Three and Out podcast on iTunes, I think

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Speaker 1: you don't just be real, you know, this is a

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Speaker 1: real we we don't do bs around here, no fluff.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. I'm gonna be Instagram and everything,

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Speaker 1: uh like you know, obviously the d ms, you can

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Speaker 1: always slide up in those, but I'm just gonna kind

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Speaker 1: on the next couple of days. I'm here till Thursday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: so I'll try to give everyone an inside look. But

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Speaker 1: the combine, you know, in the Bay Area, a lot

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Speaker 1: where you go there, it's really important to be there.

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Speaker 1: when you just say the combine, you think, oh, it's

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Speaker 1: importance of this week, are probably under ten percent. To

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Speaker 1: the urgent conversation right now. Every general manager is meeting

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Speaker 1: the trade market because every year in the NFL, Ron Rivera,

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Speaker 1: a general manager of the Dolphins or the Chargers, where

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Speaker 1: the Raiders or whoever, and I love to and I

429
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Speaker 1: wanted to get him. Do you know what I would

430
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Speaker 1: leak out we failed him? We think his hip is

431
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Speaker 1: dig de generate. I would I would lie, you know,

432
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Speaker 1: without hesitation. I would try to ruin his stock. That

433
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Speaker 1: is where I think people often say, you know, this

434
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Speaker 1: is lying season. It is because I want to it

435
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Speaker 1: to drop to me. So just because you hear and

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take an educated guess that there there

437
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Speaker 1: are teams that have failed to us because they want

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Speaker 1: him to drop like a rock. They want him to

439
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Speaker 1: fall right to them and they want to draft him

440
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Speaker 1: and then they want him to be their quarterback. So

441
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Speaker 1: get get ready for that. What about Herbert? And I

442
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Speaker 1: was I was just texting with Daniel Jeremiah before I

443
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Speaker 1: pressed record here, and he he has a lot of

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Speaker 1: love for Jordan's love. Like the tools are there, he

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Speaker 1: might be a more natural pastor than Herbert. Now, his

446
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: stats a little Josh Allen like or just atrocious. He

447
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: didn't win, but there are some curveballs, Like his coach left,

448
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: he lost a bunch of skill guys while Herbert returned

449
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: to school when he would have been a top five pick.

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Speaker 1: Really tools the and I think he's gonna be the

451
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 1: most polarizing player probably here, just give it that could

452
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: go in the top five. They're gonna be probably some

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Speaker 1: teams that have them as the number one quarterback on

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Speaker 1: their board, and they're gonna be teams that might have

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Speaker 1: them four. My gut and I talked about it last week. Listen,

456
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Speaker 1: his tools are what people look for in the scouting community.

457
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Speaker 1: But like, I can't lie and say that to uh

458
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Speaker 1: if healthy was a way better college player to have

459
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Speaker 1: dominated tool was as dominant of a college quarterback just

460
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Speaker 1: in terms of like things that would translate to the NFL,

461
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: just throwing the ball, the deep ball, the accuracy, the

462
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Speaker 1: precision running that offense that you're gonna see. But the

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Speaker 1: injuries factor in where Herbert is more of a project.

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Speaker 1: But I do think in two thousand twenty you could

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Speaker 1: argue there's never been a better time to have a

466
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Speaker 1: project get spread offenses that can't hit the quarterback, that

467
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Speaker 1: can't hit the wide receiver. I was bs and with

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Speaker 1: an assistant coach right when I was checking in, He's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, some of these numbers are so inflated. He's like,

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Speaker 1: what a sixty mean? Like, what is eighty ninety catches?

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Speaker 1: When Jerry Rice did it in ninety ninety one or

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Speaker 1: eighty nine when the Ronny Lots of the world could

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Speaker 1: kill you. Now Ronnie was on his team, but you

474
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Speaker 1: had the fear going over the middle is a little

475
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Speaker 1: different than ninety. Now. Now I would count and be

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Speaker 1: like ninety is still pretty impressive, but there's a physicality

477
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Speaker 1: and there's a you don't back. Jerry was making business

478
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Speaker 1: decisions like I'm gonna get killed, but I'm gonna catch

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Speaker 1: the ball. You don't really make busin decisions now because

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Speaker 1: I know if you hit me one, we're getting fifteen

481
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: yards and two more than likely you're not gonna hit

482
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Speaker 1: me because we see it. Guys pull up all the

483
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Speaker 1: time now because they know they're gonna get flagged. It's

484
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Speaker 1: not worth it. They just tackle them normally. Hell sometimes

485
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Speaker 1: they miss tackles and the guy scores. So I think

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Speaker 1: when you're evaluating Herbert, who's a much more complete prospect

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Speaker 1: right now than Love, But I think those guys are

488
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Speaker 1: gonna be very, very polarizing this week. You know, could

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Speaker 1: Herbert go top one or two? Could Jordan's Love? Is

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Speaker 1: he a lock first rounder? I think those two guys

491
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Speaker 1: are gonna be in the same conversation is just having

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Speaker 1: this enormous upside. Now, Herbert's accomplished way more. But Love,

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Speaker 1: We've just seen it a couple of years ago, and

494
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Speaker 1: I say it all the time, Herbert's a way way

495
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Speaker 1: more accomplished. Josh Allen, Uh, well, Jordan's Love is much

496
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Speaker 1: more under that kind of category. Like Josh Allen smaller school,

497
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Speaker 1: didn't really produce that much, but has all these tools Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about his work ethic, his intelligence

499
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Speaker 1: as smart as that always matters for quarterbacks, and that

500
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Speaker 1: will really factor in, especially when you're talking about a

501
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Speaker 1: project that you might have the draft in the first round,

502
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Speaker 1: because ultimately, when you took Aaron Rodgers in the first

503
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Speaker 1: round fifteen years ago, you went and honestly you might

504
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: be too smart for his own good. But he's a

505
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 1: high intellectual guy, cow guy, really smart and pick up

506
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: the offense only scratching the surface. Like he was the

507
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Speaker 1: ideal guy to use as a project. I think teams

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Speaker 1: are gonna look. I know Colin talked about it on

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Speaker 1: Monday like that's kind of look, just a just a

510
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Speaker 1: project that you can work with. The thing is projects

511
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty, they don't. They don't go at

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Speaker 1: twenty five and more, they go like seven because Josh

513
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Speaker 1: Allen went at seven. So that's that's what happens. And

514
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: then the wide receiver group, you know, just how do

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00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: they all kind of shape themselves out? There's been so

516
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Speaker 1: much hype on this group. Potentially, you know, fifty guys

517
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Speaker 1: going in the top seventy picks or whatever. Usually wide

518
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Speaker 1: receivers fall a little bit, and I think that we're

519
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Speaker 1: only gonna end up probably three or four go in

520
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Speaker 1: the first round, ton go in the second round. But

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Speaker 1: does Henry Ruggs running four two? Does Jerry Judy just

522
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Speaker 1: put on like Amari Cooper, like Clinic? Does Ceedee Lamb

523
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Speaker 1: just blow everyone away? Does the kid I can't even

524
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Speaker 1: say his name, Ayuka? His his measurables today? Weighing in,

525
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Speaker 1: he's got like an eight inch wingspan. He's jacked. I

526
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Speaker 1: mean he might run a four or four flat. I mean,

527
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Speaker 1: is that the is Arizona State can have back to

528
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Speaker 1: back wide receivers go in the first round. Uh So

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00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a very very intriguing class. But the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks burrow to a Herbert and even Jordan's love I

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Speaker 1: think are gonna be and and it's it's always the case,

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00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: and when it is the case, it usually means a

533
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: more exciting combine. The quarterback steal the show. Okay, let's

534
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Speaker 1: dive into some of the NFL storylines, because like the

535
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the draft, there is the greatest of all

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Speaker 1: time as a free agent. And I was reading Albert

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00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: Brier's MMQB and I've had people d m me say,

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00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: Jeff Darlington thinks he's gonna leave. Albert Brier said, leaving

539
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: is definitely on the table. Robert Kraft and you know

540
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: he talked about it. I played an audio on here

541
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: three or four weeks ago from rap sheet saying Craft

542
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: is not gonna get involved. Breer uttered the same statements,

543
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: He's gonna let Belichick do it. Well, if Belichick's doing it,

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00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: I think it's a fifty proposition. And the question we

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00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: keep hearing, I keep asking, you keep asking, well, what's

546
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: Belichick gonna do at quarterback? I don't think he thinks

547
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: like that. He'll figure it out. He's He's just Bill Belichick.

548
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: That's what he does. He doesn't freak out. Now it

549
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: is a more important position. And then just like an

550
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: outside linebacker or a running back or a wide receiver.

551
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: But I'd imagine he has a plan, whether it's to

552
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: mortgage a ton to get a young quarterback, whether it's

553
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: to sign a bridge quarterback, whether it's a trade for

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00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 1: a guy. But I I keep getting back to this,

555
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: Tom Brady will be forty three years old. I athletically

556
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: in my life, probably Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, and now

557
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Probably no person I admire more in sports

558
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: when it just comes to work, ethic, drive, determination, just

559
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: the willingness to win. You want to beat Brady, you

560
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: gotta bury his ass. He's one of the great champions

561
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: we've ever seen in all of sports. He dedicated his life,

562
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: change his diet. Dude's a killer. Even if you hate

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Speaker 1: the Patriots, we all acknowledge. We've all seen that guy

564
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: in the biggest moments, put steaks through opponent's hearts. And

565
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's why we all

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00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: watch sports. We want to see the best. We want

567
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: to see Jordans, we want to see Tiger, we want

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00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: to see Brady. We want to see Peyton Manning. We

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Speaker 1: want to see Kobe and Lebron in the biggest moments, deliver.

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00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: So what's why why I watched professional sports. That's why

571
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: I fell in love with it, watching the best players

572
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: kick ass at the biggest moments. And no one's done

573
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: a better job historically than Brady. But he's gonna be

574
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Speaker 1: forty three years old, and there has to be like,

575
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Speaker 1: is he gonna play to his forty six forty seven?

576
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: Like when's he gonna stop? When's it just gonna end?

577
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: When's he gonna all of a sudden? Kobe Bryant the

578
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: one game against the Warriors tears Achilles and it was

579
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: just basically over from then on out. When's that gonna

580
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: happen to Tom? Someone just falling his ankle because he's

581
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: forty three years old, it just shatters somehow he's been

582
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: able to avoid it. Like Peyton Manning. I saw Peyton

583
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: Manning twice that final year. It was just over game,

584
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: set match. He was just a rap. He couldn't throw anymore. Now,

585
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: the difference with Brady, like Peyton, they can't move, but

586
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Speaker 1: Brady's arms still pretty strong. The problem with Peyton is

587
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: he never had a strong arm. So I think you

588
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: could justify it. But if Belletts, I just said, listen,

589
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: Tom one year fifteen million. Uh, take it or leave it.

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00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could totally blame him, maybe

591
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: twenty out of respect, But Tom, I'm not giving you

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Speaker 1: two for sixty. Let's put yourself in my shoes. I

593
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: get you're mad at me, and you know we've but

594
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: it heads over the years, But that's crazy for a

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00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: forty three year old. You could argue that's crazy for

596
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: like a guy in his late thirties. But every day

597
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: that goes by, I start to feel more and more

598
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: like he's gonna leave. Philip Rivers. I think it is

599
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: a huge domino because if he goes to Indie, and

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Speaker 1: I've texted with a couple of coaches over the last month,

601
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: they all think he's gonna go to Indie, then that

602
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: has a domino effect on Tampa. Does Tampa let Jamis go?

603
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: Do they franchise Jamis? If he goes to Indie? Do

604
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: they trade Jacoby? So? Does Indie trade Jacoby to a

605
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: team that just needs a good backup like New York Jets,

606
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins. I think Jacoby would definitely

607
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: have a market. You know, so many, so many the

608
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: Belichick guys are spread out there I'm like, if you're

609
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: Brian Flores, wouldn't you draft if you draft to a

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Speaker 1: Herbert when you want Jacobe around? You know him, you've

611
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: been around him. I could see that trade Cam Newton.

612
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: It sure feels like cam Newton's done. I think Cam

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00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: Newton desperately wants to stay in Carolina. That's his home,

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00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: it's he loves the place. He's one there, He's a

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00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: Carolina He's famous for being a panther. I just get

616
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: the my gut feeling is they cut or trade him?

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00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: And depending on what happens to some of these other guys,

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00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: Like would would Bruce arians take a flyer on Cam Newton?

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00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: But would he risk cam Newton not being healthy and

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00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: getting rid of jamis at one's risky? Would John Gruden

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Speaker 1: want Cam Newton? Would he trade for him? Would you

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00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: think cam Newton is better than Derek? Get a star

623
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 1: to sell going into the new building? What would Derek's

624
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: trade value be? Could the could the Chicago Bears give

625
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders if Cam Newton or Tom Brady went

626
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: to went to Vegas, you know their second round pickback?

627
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: Would that would that be his value? Andy Dalton? Is

628
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: he even any good I've had a couple of veteran

629
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: assistant coaches say like, I think I could win with

630
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. His his view in the league with coaches

631
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: is probably better than it is with us on the outside.

632
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: And my scouting buddies think he's just kind of a guy.

633
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: But coaches like him because he's consistent in theory, and

634
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: he's smart. He can run your offense. Stuff that bores me,

635
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: like he's just not good enough. But Derek definitely, if

636
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: he's available. He's intriguing because he has a big arm,

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00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: he can move, he can run a bunch of different offenses.

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Speaker 1: He's playing a bunch of different offenses. I think if

639
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Speaker 1: if the Raiders somehow get Brady, which I feels unlikely,

640
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: but if he leaves, I mean they could offer boatload

641
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: of money. Uh, if they get Cam Rivers, I couldn't

642
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: see that. I think Philip Rivers a little old school,

643
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: like he values the Chiefs, Broncos and Raiders being his rival.

644
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: Like he's more like an old old school player. You know.

645
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: It's that that means something to him. His dad's a coach,

646
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: Like the little things mean something to Rivers. Why I

647
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: think he's it's into your Tampa. I think those are

648
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: his only two options. We're also two options that make

649
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: sense for him as well. But we got a fascinating

650
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks here with these quarterbacks that if

651
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: Tom Brady changes teams, it's one of the biggest stories

652
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: in the history of sports. Just that simple. It's like

653
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: Jordan to the Wizards. Uh, William Mays now is different.

654
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: William Mays went to the Mets a little before my time,

655
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: but he clearly was over the hill and and in theory,

656
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: Brady would still be more functional than m j was

657
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: on the Wizards. But that's a that's a crazy story

658
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: if that happens, and I'm telling you might I feel

659
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: like he might move teams. Okay, let's get to the

660
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: middlecop mail bag, but really quick. I saw this on

661
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Speaker 1: Twitter as I was recording James Slater, who obviously does

662
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: it pod casts as well for Colin Dez Bryan on

663
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: last week was a really good interview. Uh said that

664
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones said that he has not talked with DAX

665
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: representative representation since September and they don't even have a

666
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: meeting on the books for this week. Like, I'm sorry,

667
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: that's a little weird. Yeah, I don't know, man, something's up.

668
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: Do they not value him? Are they just like, Bro,

669
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: you're not worth forty million dollars, we don't even think

670
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: you're worth thirty five. We're giving you twenty five. Take

671
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: it or leave it, And maybe maybe there's in a

672
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: weird spot. Now. You could also say why they wait

673
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: so long? The problem is when you hit on a third, fourth,

674
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: fifth round quarterback, you can't negotiate after the first couple

675
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: of years. You can only negotiate after the third year,

676
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: and then when it doesn't get done and he plays

677
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: it out, he just hits free agency. It's not like

678
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: you have so much more time with the first round

679
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: quarterback because you can negotiate after the first year and

680
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: then you can pick up the fifth year options. So

681
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: you got like this three year buffer period to kind

682
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: of mess with it. When you hit on that mid

683
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: round guy was back fourth round, there's the urgency just

684
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: gets amplified, and the Cowboys, for whatever reason, typically wait

685
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: so long, and now they're in a position with him.

686
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: Annamari unsigned that if the cb A agreement gets done,

687
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: they can't franchise and transition tag both of them. Kind

688
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: of a weird spot, just the Cowboys. I love Jerry,

689
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: I love what the Cowboys stand for. I love how

690
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: just they crush it. Business wise, they do wear me

691
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: out a little football wise because they always think, but

692
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: I appreciate the brand, I appreciate the money they generate,

693
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: but they don't exactly negotiate. The forty Niners, the the Eagles,

694
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: they never let these situations happen that get they get

695
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: a guy like him, they would have signed a year.

696
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: They would have got the job done, because you get

697
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: into a position where you start really overpaying because he's

698
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: kind of got you by the balls. Now you kind

699
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 1: of have him too, because he can go, well, I'll

700
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: franchise you. But you don't want to do that with

701
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: your quarterback. If you start franchising him twice, that's what

702
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: you think of him. You think he's Kirk Cousins. Now

703
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: you might he's clearly better than Kirk Cousins. But I'm

704
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: saying that's what it shows your locker room. When it

705
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: shows to him, it's like, bro, dude, are we on

706
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 1: the same page here or am I in year four?

707
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: Year five and I'm still on a tryout basis. The

708
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,959
Speaker 1: problem is if he gets really greedy and and people

709
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,479
Speaker 1: like it's so unfair when people say the players are greedy, Well,

710
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: if if they're offered him thirty million dollars a year,

711
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm not crying for Dak because he wants thirty five

712
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. He's the Dallas Cowboy quarterback. They're

713
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: guaranteeing him over a hundred million dollars. He's gonna make

714
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: an astronomical amount of money. So if you think I'm

715
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: gonna go, well, he's he deserves every penny. I don't

716
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: think penny. You know, he ain't my homes, he ain't

717
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. He's He's just solid. I don't even think

718
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: he's not the most talented guy in his division. That's Carson. Now,

719
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, I get Carson's battled injuries, But part of

720
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: it is you're projecting, because we're not paying for past performance.

721
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: I'm projecting. So, Dad, if you do get a little

722
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: better with Mike McCarthy, what if Mike McCarthy doesn't want him.

723
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: That's the other curve ball here. What if Mike McCarthy

724
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: is like guys, I I think we can do better.

725
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: What's the point in hire Mike McCarthy If you don't

726
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: want to listen to him. If he's telling you that,

727
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta listen, right, you gotta think, Hell,

728
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: this guy might be honest something. Maybe we don't want

729
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: to pay Dak all this money. What if we could

730
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: reinvest it in somewhere else. What if we go try

731
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: to get trade for Derek Carr was much cheaper signing

732
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton for a year and then draft a guy.

733
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just throwing out ideas. I and

734
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: I like Dak, but I got this situation red flagged

735
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: a mile away. Stephen Jones isn't talked to his representations

736
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: in September. He I thought he was your franchise quarterback.

737
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: Is he not your franchise quarterback? I don't, I don't,

738
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Middlecoff mail back at John Middlecoff

739
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: d MS wide open questions galore and follow me on Insta.

740
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be I'm gonna be instant story and starting

741
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: Tuesday because I I can't even get a credential to tomorrow,

742
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: so nothing really cool until tomorrow. I guess if you're listening,

743
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: is today not sure why the Vikings don't trade Stephan

744
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: Diggs in New England they could get back at least

745
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: a first round pick. They could just draft another wide

746
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: receiver with that pick and create much more cap space

747
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: and resign expiring contracts or signed other offensive lineman. Not

748
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: a bad idea. I'm with you, there is a financial

749
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: aspect to it. The problem I have is Diggs is

750
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: just a stud. Like he's a real he's the real

751
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: deal holy Field, Like he's a baller. Now. Is the

752
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: top five wide receiver? No? But is he a top

753
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 1: fifteen guy? Yes? And he's a player you can win with.

754
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: He's the only guy that really pissed a drop in

755
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: the Niners playoff game. He had. The only touchdown they

756
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: scored was because of him. Three straight balls right at him,

757
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: two catches and a p I and a touchdown and

758
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: he almost threw the ball out of the stadium. I

759
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: like him, you know. I. I can deal with DIVA

760
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: wide receivers as long as they're winning DIVA wide receivers.

761
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: Not every wide receiver is a winning DIVA wide receiver.

762
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: Des was for a while, an Tonio was for a while,

763
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: Dig's is now. They're all different in their DIVA ways,

764
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: but they're just they're a little NBA ish. They're they're

765
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: a little they're they're like NBA players. But if you're

766
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: a winning NBA player, I can have you. If you're

767
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: not get rid of you. And that's where I think

768
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: it makes it tougher Vikings because he is a winning player.

769
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: Could you do a breakdown of each team's potential needs

770
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: prior to the draft? Maybe division per pod, maybe project

771
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: a couple of sleepers for the draft. Yeah, we gottah.

772
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: Once we get pass free agency, we have those couple

773
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: of weeks probably mid April, where you know it'll drag

774
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: a little bit. We we could do something like that,

775
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: but I think we're gonna have so much action this

776
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: week next week. Got some interviews free agency that that

777
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: I can definitely mix some of that in. I wanted

778
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: to know more about how owners and players split revenue.

779
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: If players all play under the contract, then how do

780
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: they split the revenue? Is this the salary cap for

781
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: each team? The revenue divided by thirty two teams to

782
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: get to this salary cap? You know what? What's your abby?

783
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: That is an incredible question that this podcast host me.

784
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: It's not educated enough to know the answer. Uh, I

785
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: would imagine the yearly. I don't know if the two

786
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: million or whatever. The salary cap is all the revenue,

787
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: but it has to be right because that's the way

788
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: they're paying the players. So if you do two hundred

789
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: million times thirty two, it's a lot of money. That's

790
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: a that's a great question. I don't know exactly how

791
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: they do that. I don't know what factors in because

792
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: their revenue. How does the players get the suite revenue

793
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: or the parking lot revenue if they split all revenue,

794
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: is it just TV money revenue. I need to get

795
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: someone from the league and ask these questions because I

796
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: just I don't know, and I'm fascinated by these topics,

797
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: Like I I love these topics. Um yeah, I want

798
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: to know. So that's I'm gonna make a little note

799
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: of that CB A person. I don't know who that

800
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: would be, but I I could, I could figure it out.

801
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: Stumbled upon your show and now it's my favorite. Appreciate it.

802
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm just a casual NFL fan, But I can't imagine

803
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: Brady and Bill don't have a plan for Brady's departure

804
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: from day one and my way off, Uh yeah, I

805
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: mean I think Bill always has a plan. You always

806
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: have contingency plans. I think Tom just because he's never

807
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: been down this road. It's one thing to like think

808
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna leave your wife and then you finally get

809
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: a divorced and you've been married twenty years. You're like,

810
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: I don't even know how do I date? You? Text Someboddy, like,

811
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: what's this thing? Tender bumble? What? How do how do

812
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: I download it? Can you come take some selfies of

813
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: me so I can post on it? I don't even

814
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: know what to do. I think there's just some unknown

815
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: with Tom. He's never been in this situation. It's not

816
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: one team for twenty years, it's the best team in

817
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: the league. So if he is really gonna suck it

818
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: up and leave, what makes it unique? Because like he

819
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: knows Rabel, I would imagine he got to know Grooden

820
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: over the years. Monday Night Football, the Chargers, Really, I

821
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: don't know why you'd go there. Actually they do have

822
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: a good team it Uh yeah. I think Belichick would

823
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: have some ideas of what he could do, or at

824
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: least he's gonna find that out this week, like get

825
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: some get some get some plan of attacks this week. Tom.

826
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: I I think there's a great unknown, just because anytime

827
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: You're walking down a road that you've never walked before,

828
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: and it's just you just don't know what's coming. You

829
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: don't know where to turn left, where to turn right.

830
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: Maybe there's no lights on that road. I think Tom

831
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: wants to dabble, but I don't think he quite knows

832
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: what he's getting into. And I think it's understandable. He

833
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: just has never come close to hitting free agency. It's

834
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: kind of nuts. I was wondering what you think the

835
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: odds are the Chargers trade up to secure drafting a quarterback,

836
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: as it says they could snag two or Herbert with

837
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: the six pick. But should another team trade up, I've

838
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: seen rumors the lines are open to trading down. The

839
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: Chargers could be screwed over and be left without a

840
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: young quarterback, and I don't want that. See us drafting

841
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: this early in the New yor I don't see us

842
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: drafting this early in the near future. I agree. I

843
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: think the Chargers. I think you could think about doing

844
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: what the Jets did several years ago. I guess it

845
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: would be two years ago now, and they got Sam Donald.

846
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: They traded up, remembering like March way before the draft,

847
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: from six to three. They gave up three second round picks,

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Speaker 1: so they flip flop three and six, and they gave

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Speaker 1: three second round picks before they even knew who was

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Speaker 1: gonna be there. And it turned out to be Sam Donald,

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Speaker 1: which I still think has a chance. I know Lamar

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Speaker 1: won the m v P. But of the pocket quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: Baker and Josh Allen, Josh Rosen's kind of done now

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Speaker 1: to be the best one. But I would you be

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Speaker 1: would you do something like that right now? If you

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Speaker 1: were the Chargers, hey called called Matt Patricia or see

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Speaker 1: Bob Quinn here. If you're Tom to Les go and

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Speaker 1: say listen, we'll flip you three and six because the

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Speaker 1: mark the precedent sent you want to do that the

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Speaker 1: middle of March. It's gonna cost you multiple second round picks.

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Speaker 1: Cost cost them three second round picks that year. Now

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Speaker 1: they got Sam Donald, and if Sam Donald turns out

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Speaker 1: what we think he can turn out is all worth it.

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Speaker 1: But you better be good. Textan that loves the show

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Is there a scenario where Burrow says to

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Speaker 1: the Bengals, all come play if you make this organizational change.

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Speaker 1: If so, what do you think that could be? I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's an option. I think he's he has

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Speaker 1: two options. He just like a normal player. Let's the

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Speaker 1: you know, chips fall where they may and probably gets

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Speaker 1: drafted and gets drafted by the Bengals, just like most

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Speaker 1: players do. They just want to get drafted as high

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Speaker 1: as possible. He gets drafted number one overall and he's

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Speaker 1: a Cincinnati Bengal quarterback, then I think there's scenario where

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Speaker 1: he just says, I'm not coming there. I refuse to

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Speaker 1: play for the Bengals. I don't think there's a scenario

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Speaker 1: where he goes, listen, I want you to sign re

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Speaker 1: sign a J. Green, I want you to sign a

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Speaker 1: Mark Cooper, and I want this guy to be the

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Like, I don't think that's happening. I think

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Speaker 1: it's it's either it's it's a or B that this

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Speaker 1: so that that's not possible, that that doesn't happen. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it happens in the NBA. But I don't see Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow doing that question for the pod. What is the

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Speaker 1: big deal about being the first to break a story?

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Speaker 1: Schefter Glazer rap sheet actually saw rap sheet. The gym

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Speaker 1: today woes shams. They spend all this time getting a

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Speaker 1: story when five minutes later every other media outlet has it.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think sports fans really care who breaks it.

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Speaker 1: I would agree the casual sports fan doesn't care that much.

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Speaker 1: Where it does matter is when now you see woes,

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Speaker 1: you think ESPN. When you think Schefter, you think ESPN.

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Speaker 1: It's almost brand recognition. You're paying them for brand recognition.

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Speaker 1: When Schefter breaks the story, it's like ESPN broke the story,

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Speaker 1: when Glazier breaks the story, Fox broke the story. When

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Speaker 1: Sham who doesn't stuff for the athletic and stadium, like

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't even know what the stadium is some internet

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Speaker 1: site that plays shows like what what the hell is

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Speaker 1: even going on? But I think shams so that there

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Speaker 1: is value in that and just being like Adam Schefter

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Speaker 1: story breaker, like that's his role. You have the number

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Speaker 1: one story breaker on your network. It's just like a

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Speaker 1: It'd be no different than Jeff Bezos acquiring uh Whole Foods.

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Speaker 1: Like having Schefter is a huge part of the NFL's

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Speaker 1: of ESPN's NFL business. Anytime a story breaks, they got him.

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Speaker 1: When free agency hits, they got him. When free agency

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Speaker 1: hits in basketball, they got woesh and they own that.

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Speaker 1: That's what they want there, So they want to they

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Speaker 1: want to monopolize you're um attention. They want your attention

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Speaker 1: to be on their guy. And think ESPN broke the story.

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Speaker 1: ESPN broke the story. ESPN broke the story. So that's

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Speaker 1: that's really the value. Because like you said, if if Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady is gonna sign with the Tennessee Titans, Schefter

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Speaker 1: tweets that out. Thirty minutes later, no one talking about Schefter.

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Speaker 1: It's just Tom Brady's going to the Titans. That's the story.

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Speaker 1: I think Chefter would even tell you that. But he's

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Speaker 1: he's paid handsomely because he and all these guys are

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Speaker 1: because they have unique skills of knowing people and getting stories,

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Speaker 1: because the networks value the brand recognition. I think it's

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Speaker 1: really as simple as that. Okay, I'm gonna be on

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Speaker 1: the ground floor, follow me on Instagram. I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: doing videos all over the place. Uh combine next couple

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Speaker 1: of days. Somehow my voice is already leaving. That's what

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Speaker 1: happens when you take a midnight flight and get here

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Speaker 1: at ten am. But don't worry, I haven't I haven't

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Speaker 1: really slept, got a middle seat myself. Not even a

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Speaker 1: direct flight red lie. It was a it was a connector.

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Speaker 1: So I words of wisdom from my first ever red

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Speaker 1: eye connection flight avoid at all costs. You don't want

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Speaker 1: to get a red eye connector. You want a red

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Speaker 1: eye straight shot so you can sleep. Red Eye connectors suck.

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Speaker 1: But I did it. I'm here. I'm glad because I

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Speaker 1: would have been here super late tonight, so I'm just

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Speaker 1: already here, ready to rock and roll. Combine week three

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Speaker 1: and Out does the combine and UH, I'll bring it

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Speaker 1: to you guys. Appreciate everyone listening. Again, go to three

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Speaker 1: and Out podcast, the UH the Apple Home and do

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Speaker 1: a little do a little review there. If you if you,

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Speaker 1: if you could helps out the pod, helps out the

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Speaker 1: business of the pod. And have a great week and

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Speaker 1: enjoy the combine. See you m