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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys like CD Lambs and now your hosts. Brian

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Speaker 1: brought us, David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, and Kyle Yeomans. I

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Speaker 1: for you on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show.

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Speaker 1: So glad you're along with us here on this Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed a very fruitful and long weekend as well.

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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks joining us, David Hellman, and then of course

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Speaker 1: the great Brian brought us who was in the open

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Speaker 1: there and Brian, you're you're wearing the LSU. I got

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Speaker 1: to watch a little trip. Brill Cox this week did

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Speaker 1: he's got it right. He leaves this low paying job

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Speaker 1: Then we're just we're just four bros talking drafts. Adequate. Hey,

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Speaker 1: No in person workouts the combline will instead take place

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Speaker 1: in the workouts at the combine will take place. I

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Speaker 1: It's time now for some Twitter on the twenty Twitter

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Speaker 1: on the twenty, and of course the Cowboys having to

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Speaker 1: keep a close eye on what's happening around the league.

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Speaker 1: And that's what our first question has to do with.

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Speaker 1: From Matt Thomas, he said, with the Deshaun Watson situation

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Speaker 1: and the type of return he may bring in regards

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Speaker 1: to what they should do with Dak in a possible trade,

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Speaker 1: This is I just wanted to kind of put this

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Speaker 1: out there, Bucky or actually looks, let David Hellman take

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Speaker 1: this is talking about keeping it on on Deshaun Watson.

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Speaker 1: We had to do that with the contract previously. But

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Speaker 1: is there any way that picks and things like that

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Speaker 1: could potentially come into play for the Cowboys and what

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Speaker 1: they could do with Deck. We're talking about, like trading

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Speaker 1: Dak to Houston for Deshaun Watson. Is that I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's directly talking about that. I think it's

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Speaker 1: mostly just what the options are for Deck Prescott Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just those those things can't be related.

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Speaker 1: I don't think unless you're like getting Deshaun Watson and that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's my whole thing is, if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: take on that kind of contract in Houston, why not

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Speaker 1: just pay the guy that you already have. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: and I've seen I've seen people suggest, you know, a

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Speaker 1: straight up player for players swap. I doubt that's happening

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Speaker 1: because Houston needs draft picks. Like the whole reason Houston

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Speaker 1: would try something like this is because they have no

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Speaker 1: draft capital. So trading straight up Dak for DeShawn just

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Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense to me because I think

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Speaker 1: they're basically the same player. So you're getting rid of

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Speaker 1: one guy for Dak, you still don't have any draft picks,

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Speaker 1: and then the Cowboys are just in the same spot

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Speaker 1: they were, which is paying a lot of money for

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Speaker 1: a quarterback that not everybody's sold on. So I don't

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Speaker 1: think it makes a ton of sense. I think it's

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Speaker 1: far more logical to just pay the guy that's already here,

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Speaker 1: that you have a history with. I think I think

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Speaker 1: mostly as I'm reading this question again, I think he's

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Speaker 1: talking about the value of Dak Prescott and the fact

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Speaker 1: that he hasn't had the long term deal yet, and

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Speaker 1: of course that's still going to continue throughout the offseason.

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Speaker 1: Oh mostly mostly the value you could get from Watson

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Speaker 1: and how that compares the Dak Prescott in terms of

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Speaker 1: draft options and draft capital that you could attain if

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Speaker 1: you're the Dallas Cowboys. I got you. That's my bad. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think the conversation for a franchise quarterback, for me,

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Speaker 1: the conversation starts for multiple ones, especially like you talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's that's what the franchise tag dictates. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: if a players on the tag the um, then you're

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Speaker 1: you know, you got to trade two first round picks

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Speaker 1: to get him, So that's where it starts. I would

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Speaker 1: probably try to get a little bit more, but it's

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Speaker 1: hard to say for sure because these types of trades

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Speaker 1: almost never happened. Like, when was the last time a

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback was traded in his prime? Bucky, Brian, You guys,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's ever been done, Like I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I don't know if you've ever seen

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Speaker 1: it done at all. I think the Deshaun Wasson thing

552
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: is fascinating me because I think it's great for us.

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00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: I think his great sports talk radio fodder. But he

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00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: has a no trade class is he hasn't even got

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Speaker 1: into the big money of the deal yet. And if

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Speaker 1: I'm the Houston Texans, why would I even entertain trading

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Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. They're so hard to find, and so

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Speaker 1: I know they don't have picks and all that, and

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Speaker 1: we all love what's behind door number one and two,

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Speaker 1: But I have a quarterback. It is easy to start

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Speaker 1: when I have a quarterback. Then when I don't have one, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I think the conversation about Dak needs to

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Speaker 1: happen the league year starts, I believe March twelfth or

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Speaker 1: some day around that, and you know, the Cowboys have

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Speaker 1: had the opportunity to visit with Dak Prescott and at

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Speaker 1: least exchange ideas since the season's been over, and maybe

567
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Speaker 1: when the new league year starts, then that's the momentum.

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Speaker 1: Then it's like, Okay, this deal's done, let's go forward,

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Speaker 1: let's get it signed, and now we can start the

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00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: offseason like it needs to be had. But I do

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Speaker 1: feel like, though, that if you get to the first

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Speaker 1: of April and you don't have an extension done with

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, then some of our draft shows need to

574
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Speaker 1: be about talking about what quarterbacks are available. That that's

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Speaker 1: that's what that is reality there, because if you can't

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Speaker 1: get this done by the time you draft, then you

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Speaker 1: have to be thinking, like, I don't know if this

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Speaker 1: is going to get done long term. I've got to

579
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Speaker 1: maybe move on and try and make something else happen here.

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00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: That would be the only time. It's either sign Dack

581
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: or trade Dac. That's that's that's there's no in between

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Speaker 1: for me. But really, my drop dead date is really

583
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Speaker 1: the first of April, and if I don't have it

584
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: done by then, I'm starting to I'm starting to talk

585
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Speaker 1: to teams about our situation here with the Cowboys. I'll

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Speaker 1: throw this in. This is just off the top of

587
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Speaker 1: my head. If you want Dak Prescott, if you're another

588
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Speaker 1: team and you want Dak, I need two firsts at least,

589
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: so I need this year's first, next year's first, then

590
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Speaker 1: probably also your second round pick in this year's draft,

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Speaker 1: and a starter caliber player that's on your roster right now,

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Speaker 1: preferably a Pro Bowl caliber player. That's like, that's my

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Speaker 1: starting point. Yeah, well, yeah, I think yeah, there's yeah,

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Speaker 1: you definitely you're definitely gonna need the first this year

595
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: because you're gonna need to take that one potentially and

596
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Speaker 1: go back up in the draft if you want to

597
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: get to say Cincinnati at five, you're gonna have to

598
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Speaker 1: give them pick forty four. But to really sweeten this thing,

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Speaker 1: if you had an extra one, you can take your

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Speaker 1: ten that one and then elevation that thing and go

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Speaker 1: and get you a quarterback to make sure that you

602
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Speaker 1: protected yourself going forward because you've made the trade, Bucky,

603
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: did you think my price was too much or not enough?

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Speaker 1: I mean that's very very pricing, Like oh yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: I know, Like, well you gotta look at we know, no, no,

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Speaker 1: we know you can't quarterback to number four, like I

607
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Speaker 1: get that, but two first, a second and a Pro

608
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Speaker 1: Bowl player like that is that is a lot. So

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm doing, I'm hanging up and say,

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00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: you know what, we could try and find it. That's fine,

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00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: that's fine because I don't I don't want to trade

612
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Speaker 1: him anyway. That's fine, No, but but but you know,

613
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Speaker 1: you gotta protect yourself. I mean, we were the price is,

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Speaker 1: you know, the price is whatever they make it but

615
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Speaker 1: you know, you gotta look at what it got. Like

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Speaker 1: Laramie Tunsil went for, you got to look for what

617
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: the guy and I know it's a different position. You

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00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: got to look at see what you know the guy

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Speaker 1: at the Bears, what what he went for? Yeah. See,

620
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: so that's where you're starting to That's where you have

621
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Speaker 1: to sit there and Okay, I need to get this

622
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Speaker 1: thing done. I'm not trying to hold people up. I'm

623
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Speaker 1: trying to trade him, but I'm also trying to get

624
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to get two ones out of the

625
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: deal as my bottom line, because I need the one

626
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: to get back to where I need to go to

627
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Speaker 1: get a new quarterback. And so yeah, I mean we could,

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Speaker 1: we could. We could all kind of say, oh, well,

629
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Speaker 1: that's too much of this. It's someone always is willing

630
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Speaker 1: to pay. But you have to make sure that if

631
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Speaker 1: you're moving on from the quarterback, you have to make

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Speaker 1: it inviting for the other team to be willing to

633
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Speaker 1: make the deal. You don't want to just hammer it

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Speaker 1: so hard that all of a sudden that nobody wants

635
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Speaker 1: to do the deal. You know, then you have to

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Speaker 1: come back with hat in hand and try and do

637
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Speaker 1: this all over again. You want to make sure that's

638
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Speaker 1: the deal that works for you, works with a player,

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Speaker 1: and then you can you can go from there. So

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Speaker 1: I think the answer it's a Matt's question. Whenever it

641
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: came to should the Cowboys keep an eye on Watson situation,

642
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: the answer is yes, and see what that kind of

643
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: ransom would be in order to get him out of Houston,

644
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: And the same thing for dak out of Dallas should

645
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: things go wrong situationally for the Cowboys in these negotiations

646
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: as we continue on into the draft process. Okay, this

647
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: is a good question from Cowboys coffee talk I really

648
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: like And he said he's a big, big fan of

649
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: the show you guys, so he loves you guys. One

650
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: it is to throw that out there. He said, I'm

651
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: a big believer in upgrading defensive tackle. However, I am

652
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: told there's a few difference makers out of a few

653
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: difference makers outside of maybe a Christian Barmore from Alabama.

654
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: And do you have any day two defensive tackles that

655
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could potentially target Bucky Brooks. You know, like

656
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: this defensive tackle class is really really weak. Like that's rough.

657
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it is really it's really rough to say

658
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: that you can find someone that would upgrade what is

659
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: currently there in Neville, Gallimore and Antoine was in those guys.

660
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: If you're going to go, I think, if I'm going

661
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: to try and upgrade the position, then I'm gonna try

662
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: and spend the capital to give the guy at the top,

663
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: and that would be Barrymore. But I'm not gonna take

664
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: him at ten. I think he's a guy that should

665
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: fall in the twenties, um if that, because they have

666
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: him some concerns because he flashed at the end of

667
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: the year, but his year was inconsistent in terms of

668
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: his level of dominance. I'm just a little leary on

669
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: him and taking him there, and so I think the

670
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: Cowboys might be better serve to look for the upgrades

671
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: at d tackle, potentially in free agency as opposed to

672
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: the draft. Bucky, what did you think about the Washington

673
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: kid O two E E K. I think, yeah, eak,

674
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: I always say these names wrong. Yeah, it was like

675
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: that le by Osaique from Washington. Did you did you

676
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: see him at all? Sixty three? Yeah, two hundred ninety palace.

677
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: He's active, He's able to make and control the line

678
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: of scrimmage or whatever. The thing about it is like

679
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: watching guys against PAC twelve lineman is really really hard

680
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: because how many pros are he playing? Is he really

681
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: playing against? And so his level of dominance is solid,

682
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: But I would feel better about him if I saw

683
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: him dominant against SEC competition. He's another oddo, a guy

684
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: who was sipped out. Buddy's a Senior Bowl invite, so

685
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: he's going to be at the Senior Bowl, so you

686
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: get to see him there. But he did opt out

687
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty. Yeah. But to Bucky's point, I think,

688
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: and then there's a kid to a failure. I think

689
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: you say, you say the kid from USC Yeah, I

690
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: mean we're okay, we're talking about potential second round type guys.

691
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: Those would be, you know, a guy I really liked

692
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: to like the Nixon kid from Iowa. I think took

693
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: your point, Bucky, Yeah, it's weak. I think Barmore has

694
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: helped himself though the last couple of games out. You know,

695
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: it's like people of like, oh, well, he's gone from

696
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: a guy that you would take at at twenty five

697
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: to maybe a guy you would take at fifteen. You know,

698
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: you know it, maybe he's he's made that kind of jump.

699
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: But those two Pac ten kids and again the Iowa

700
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: kid Nixon, you know, I think those are kind of

701
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: second round guys that that maybe that you know, that

702
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: that could go in and play well for somebody. I

703
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: know watching those Pac twelve kids play that they were

704
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: they were really active. You know, they were active. They

705
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: were playing outside the tackle box, they were getting up

706
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: the field, they were being disruptive tackles for loss, you know,

707
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: pressure on the quarterback in the pocket. You know. I

708
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 1: both think that those undertackles, those three techniques that you know,

709
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: cowboy fans and if your team's a four three team,

710
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, that's that three technique that we're talking about,

711
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: that undertackle. But those are a couple of names of guys.

712
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: I mean, again, I butcher names, but if I watch

713
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: him play, yeah, I kind of saw like second third

714
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: round kind of talent there myself. Okay, this is actually

715
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: this is really timely because he declared last night. But

716
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: what do y'all think about Tommy and togy I the

717
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: Ohio State defensive tackle Because I haven't done a deep

718
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: dive by any means yet, but he kicked Clemson's ass

719
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: and I have a feeling they missed him dearly against

720
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: Alabama six two three hundred pounds, played fantastic for Ohio State,

721
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: which you know, again that's that's a program. You know,

722
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: there's three or five programs where if you did it

723
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: at that program, I trust that you can do it

724
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and Ohio States one of them. So

725
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna come into the league fully equipped because Larry

726
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: Johnson one of the best delone coaches that you've seen.

727
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: When you look at the work that they've done at

728
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: Ohio State and the guys that have come out of there,

729
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: they all play and so from Devon Hamilton to the Stars,

730
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,479
Speaker 1: Nick bos and all those guys they played, and so yeah,

731
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: they great hand skills. He's gonna come off. He has

732
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: a motor, he can control it at the line of scrimmage.

733
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: Those are the things that you like. And in a

734
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: class where it's really hard to distinguish who are the

735
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: top ones from the others, sometimes you have to lean

736
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: towards are they scaled, because that's the evaluation. Evaluation comes

737
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: to talent versus skilled, and the skilled player may give

738
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: you more pop initially than the more talented player, because

739
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: when you think about COVID and the lack of reps

740
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: and practice time and all those other things. You kind

741
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: of need a right now player and those who have

742
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: the skills already are gonna have a chance to play

743
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,479
Speaker 1: and make an impact right away. Yeah. I think that's

744
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: a great way to look at this defensive tackle class, because,

745
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: like we already talked about with the draft, I mean,

746
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: ultimately you're gonna have trouble trying to figure out the measurables,

747
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: and defensive tackle is one of the spots where you

748
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: kind of need those measurables to make at least a pick,

749
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: and you need some tape to go with. I think

750
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: lucky enough for Antique a week way. I can't say

751
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: his name either, Brian, I'm right there with your buddy

752
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: in terms of butchering names. I'll get there at some point.

753
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: But the Washington defensive tackle at least he's going to

754
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. At least he's somebody that you'll get

755
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: to see on the field with other competition at some

756
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,959
Speaker 1: point and puts some film out there as a twenty

757
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: twenty opt out. There's not a ton of those guys,

758
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: but he is one of those guys that will be

759
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: out there Okay, moving on another question here, Well, we

760
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: could get maybe one or two more here. Let's go

761
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: to these Senior Bowl wide receivers and Bucky, you wanted

762
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: to talk about the Senior Bowl wide receivers. I mean,

763
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: we saw another one yesterday commit and of course Heisman

764
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: Trophy winner Davante Smith, but some of these other guys

765
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 1: like a Dez Fitzpatrick or an Amari Rodgers, Dwayne Eskridge,

766
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: and Thayland Wallace out of Oklahoma State. Michael Davenport ask

767
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: this question, but in terms of the group of wide receivers, Bucky,

768
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: that you've seen commit to the Senior Bowl, what do

769
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: you think about this group overall? And is there anybody

770
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: late round the Cowboys could potentially look at. Look, I

771
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: think this is a really good group. I think it's

772
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: a really good class. I think it's solid. I think

773
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: you have a bunch of technicians that would do their work.

774
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: Tylan Wallace is certainly someone that is intriguing. He popped

775
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: his ACL a year ago, but came back and was

776
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: very very productive. Normally it takes two years before you

777
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: fully activated and write coming off of that, he is

778
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: one that you definitely need to keep an eye on.

779
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: I think the guys to really watch because I think

780
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: when I look at the evolution of what the Cowboys

781
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: could do at wide receiver, I believe Marie Cooper is

782
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: going to be number one. Ceede Lamb is going to

783
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: be number two. I think maybe eventually they move on

784
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: from Michael got because I just don't know if they

785
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: can pay all three Rogers is interesting. It is Teve

786
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 1: Martin's son who is now Tennessee to Tennsee legend or whatever,

787
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: but he's a fantastic slot player. I do wonder if

788
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: at some point you're going to move Ceedee Lamb to

789
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: X have a Marie Cooper at Z and didn't maybe

790
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: need a slot receiver, or do you find that X receiver?

791
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: So Amari Rodgers is someone that I would keep an

792
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: eye on. Esk Ridge is also someone who has speed

793
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: and has some get down that fascinates me a little bit.

794
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: A couple other guys they're like a Cadarius Tony. I

795
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: don't know if you would have a chance of getting

796
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: him later in the draft, Brian, but I mean, at

797
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: least out of a guy that's exciting to watch with

798
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, he's up there. Anybody that sticks out

799
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: to you, though. No, I think that Bucky did a

800
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: really good job, you know, I think did Jim Naggie.

801
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: You know, he took over for Phil Savage, and Phil

802
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: for a long time did a really great job of of,

803
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, evaluating bringing players in. I think Jim Naggie

804
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: has taken it to a whole nother level. I never believed.

805
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: And even though that, you know, he got Smith from

806
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: Alabama to show up. He's got the busted finger, but

807
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: he's being a part of this and the good for

808
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: the kid. But Naggie's done a great job with that.

809
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 1: And I think that Bucky's dead on about these receivers.

810
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: I will say this about Tony and I'm kind of here,

811
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: in the tradition of Florida receivers, there's some off the

812
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: field things that you need to worry about there. So

813
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: so he'll he'll get he'll get drafted, everybody will complain

814
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: about him. He'll probably make plays, but when you watch

815
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: him on tape, man, he is a nightmare. He reminds

816
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: me very much when we talked about like Rondel Moore

817
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: from Purdue, that same kind of like get the ball

818
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: to him and now it's hold your breath, you know,

819
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: situations on defense. So I do like what Naggie's done

820
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: with that group. I'm looking forward to seeing those guys

821
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: and how the kind of week that they have at practice.

822
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: I will give you one that may not be a

823
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: Cowboys target, but one that we always see these guys

824
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: in the second and third round. That pop Treyvon Grimes

825
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: from Florida. He could be a guy that you need

826
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on, and that what I would

827
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: call that. Mike Thomas Mike Evans mold when he was

828
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: coming out of high school. He's a five star recruit.

829
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: He goes to Ohio State, has a family issue, comes

830
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: back to Florida. But size, athleticism take it off the rim,

831
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: big body, physical We're seeing that these big body playmakers

832
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: can dominate just with their physicality on the perimeter. He

833
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: is one that I would keep an eye on that

834
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: he may not go like early like high second round,

835
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: but second, third round. He is one that I'll keep

836
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: an eye on that we go look back at like,

837
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: oh how do we miss him? Yeah, well a day

838
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 1: we saw last year guys like maybe like a Denzel Mims,

839
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: who didn't of course have a great rookie season. But

840
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean it was a great wide receiver class overall

841
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: last year, and the Seamor Bowl kind of reflected that that's.

842
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: I mean, this, this class is good. And I was

843
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: I was gonna bring up the two Florida kids for sure.

844
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just because he wears number one,

845
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: but Kadarius Tony just feels like Percy Harvin all over

846
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: again to me. Um, same personality. Yeah, yeah, that boy.

847
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: I was just gonna left that. I was gonna leave

848
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: that part. I'm gonna leave that part. I was gonna leave. Yeah.

849
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: I didn't watch to be alone in this strap show.

850
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You guys didn't. I didn't

851
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Speaker 1: want you to be alone. Oh goodness, I think I dude,

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Speaker 1: I think last year's class was probably a little bit

853
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Speaker 1: more star studded. You brought up Mims. You know, Van

854
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: Jefferson was down there last year as well. He obviously Laypool,

855
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Speaker 1: Chase Claypool. Yeah, I forgot Chase Claypool was there. You're right, Um,

856
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Speaker 1: so I think probably a little more star studded. But

857
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Speaker 1: I think the world of Tyland Wallace and yeah, I

858
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Speaker 1: mean to Brian's point, I think twenty thirteen was my

859
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Speaker 1: first year really covering the draft, and you know, like

860
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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl used to get some good players, but

861
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Speaker 1: like people, people kind of used to roll their eyes,

862
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Speaker 1: and now, I mean you can't argue obviously, like the

863
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Speaker 1: best of the best draft prospects are always going to

864
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Speaker 1: be underclassmen, because if you're that good, you're gonna go

865
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866
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Speaker 1: best possible seniors. I mean, they got freaking they got

867
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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, the number one pick in the draft, to

868
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Speaker 1: go to Mobile. You know, the fact that last year

869
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Speaker 1: they got I mean, they got Davante Smith, who he

870
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Speaker 1: doesn't need to do anything to be a top ten pick,

871
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Speaker 1: and they still got him to go. You know, he's

872
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Speaker 1: gonna go down there and compete. I think it's awesome.

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Speaker 1: You know, props to Jim for doing that, because it's

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Speaker 1: on a whole another level from where it was even

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Speaker 1: four or five years ago. It really is fun to

876
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877
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Speaker 1: course it's gonna be a lot virtual this year, but

878
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: ultimately it's something that I know we'll grow amongst these

879
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Speaker 1: players and amongst the league. Really as Naggie's really done

880
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: a great job with it. But let's go ahead and

881
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Speaker 1: take our second break. When we come back, I want

882
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: to kind of attack a couple more questions. We had

883
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Speaker 1: a lot of twitter on the twenty questions that centered

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Speaker 1: around the linebackers and should the Cowboys have a linebacker

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Speaker 1: up at the top of the board, and if it's

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Speaker 1: a linebacker, who should it be. We'll talk about that

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Speaker 1: Kevin Turner as a part of the show. But guys,

932
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Speaker 1: we've just went through a little bit of some twitter

933
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Speaker 1: on the twenty and we asked a lot of questions

934
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Speaker 1: about the quarterbacks and the offense and even a little

935
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Speaker 1: bit of defensive tackle. But there were a couple questions

936
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Speaker 1: about linebacker and this including this one from Travis Ferguson

937
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: who said, who would you rather have on this Cowboys team?

938
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Speaker 1: And that's either Michael Parsons or Zaban Collins the linebacker

939
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Speaker 1: out of Penn date with Parsons and Collins being out

940
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Speaker 1: of Tulsa, and there's a lot of form issue, or

941
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Speaker 1: not really form, but at least play style. I think

942
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Speaker 1: that was kind of differing between the two and who

943
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: would you rather have, Brian whenever it comes to these

944
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Speaker 1: two guys, and is linebacker a huge need for this

945
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Speaker 1: team or at least a priority for this team heading

946
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Speaker 1: into the draft process. Yeah, I don't know if Buckie,

947
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: I know Bookie has probably seen the player. I don't

948
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Speaker 1: know if Dave has. I watched Collins myself, and I

949
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: kind of see a three four SAM linebacker there. I

950
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Speaker 1: don't know what his fit really is for a four

951
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Speaker 1: three scheme. So you know, maybe in the old regime,

952
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: Collins would have been a guy that you would have

953
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Speaker 1: jumped on board for, but I didn't. I didn't really

954
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Speaker 1: see I didn't see stuff where I felt like, I mean,

955
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Speaker 1: a good player. The size is incredible, how big he is,

956
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Speaker 1: and you know, you watch him in these games. I

957
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Speaker 1: think there was a couple of games where he was

958
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Speaker 1: you know, he had key he got forced key turnovers

959
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Speaker 1: in the game. But the more I watched the more,

960
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Speaker 1: I thought, well, he this isn't just a big on

961
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Speaker 1: the line, you know, Sam linebacker is what I saw,

962
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Speaker 1: and you know, because you know, with his size and stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I think with if you gave me a choice,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a huge fan of Parsons. I really do

965
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Speaker 1: like I do like Bolden a lot from Missouri is

966
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Speaker 1: a guy that I'm kind of become a fan. I

967
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Speaker 1: watched Dylan Moses last night, and there's some things about

968
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Speaker 1: him that are that are good to go. But I

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Speaker 1: think with Collins, if you gave me a choice between

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Speaker 1: Collins and Parsons, I don't know if I would choose

971
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Speaker 1: either one of those guys, you know, just for where,

972
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Speaker 1: for where you have to choose Parsons, I don't think

973
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Speaker 1: I would do it. And but Collins I kind of

974
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Speaker 1: feel the same way. I think he's kind of a

975
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Speaker 1: just a one position guy, you know, going forward here.

976
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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't go either one of those guys is

977
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Speaker 1: my linebacker, you know, Bryan. I think it's important now

978
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Speaker 1: that we have to bring dan Quinn and his history

979
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Speaker 1: into the fold in the Loup, and I don't think

980
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Speaker 1: either one of those guys are his type of players.

981
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Speaker 1: When it comes to the linebacker position. You look at

982
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Speaker 1: the guys that they drafted at Atlanta, it was the

983
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Speaker 1: I won't say the undersize, but it was the runner athlete,

984
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Speaker 1: run fast. Yo. Now, I don't want to do the

985
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Speaker 1: Alma mater homer, but chess or Rot would be more

986
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Speaker 1: of a fit from North Carolina. He would be more

987
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Speaker 1: of a fit in that style of defense to play

988
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Speaker 1: that role. So whether you're talking about Sup planning, Jaylen

989
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: Smith or whatever, but someone that can run and chase

990
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Speaker 1: and be active and run down the scene and blitz

991
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: into those things, he would be more of that style

992
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: linebacker that you're talking about in the second round or

993
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: something like that. Even the kid from Ohio State. You know,

994
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Speaker 1: if you worry book about do you worry about the conversion?

995
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: You know Tres was he was he was a quarterback

996
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: and then you know, converted to linebacker. I mean, the

997
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: kid does run well, he does make some plays. Is

998
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Speaker 1: the learning curve too much for him or is it

999
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: you're just basing on traits that maybe you'll get that

1000
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 1: that guy at the next level. Well, well, I think

1001
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: now like the way we have to look at linebackers,

1002
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: like our old school thought process, of like, hey, can

1003
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: he take on cann He shit had a smash a quarterback.

1004
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: Like now we're seeing. If you're linebackers can't run and chase,

1005
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: you have no chance. If they can't do anything in

1006
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: either coverage or blitz, you don't have to do it.

1007
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: And so look, man, we just saw Patrick Queen come

1008
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: out of nowhere to be like a top pick and

1009
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: he hadn't played much, but he flashed and he popped

1010
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: and he did those things. And so for Chazz, the

1011
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: conversion is unconventional going from quarterback to linebacker, but the

1012
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 1: athletic traits are ridiculous. When you dig in his background

1013
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: and you kind of see where he's at. Oh no, absolutely, yeah.

1014
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: The more you do dig in on him, it's impressive.

1015
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: When you could watch him throw the ball miss a

1016
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Speaker 1: quarterback and then you could watch him sack a quarterback,

1017
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of will. But yeah, along this

1018
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: same line of thinking, and I mean, yeah, it's hard

1019
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: not to think about Dion Jones when you think about

1020
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn. Am I crazy for thinking of Jeremiah Wusu

1021
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: Corramoro When you say that I didn't know, I think, man,

1022
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: I why do I see a strong safety there Bucky

1023
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: and Dave. Why because he's because he's two hundred and

1024
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds. I watch him cover in the slot. That

1025
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: kid makes a ton of plays. I mean, he's a

1026
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: lot of fun to watch. I mean, I go back

1027
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: to this South far back. I could go he's not

1028
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: as fast as Darren Woodson, But I remember Darren Woodson

1029
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: playing linebacker Arizona State in nineteen ninety two. You know,

1030
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: And I was sitting there thinking, man, is this guy

1031
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 1: strong safety? Because you do see him play in the slot.

1032
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: You do see him cover, you do see him carrying

1033
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: tight ends. You know, you see him rushing. He made

1034
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: a huge play in that Clemson game, the game that

1035
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: was played in South Ben. So I'm thinking, is this

1036
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: guy a linebacker? Is he a strong safety? Man? But

1037
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: I love the player? Don't get okay that play? Y'all.

1038
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: Y'all tell me this because if this was two years ago,

1039
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: I would have said, well, Rod Marinelli hates jack knife players.

1040
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: He wants everybody to have a clearly defined role just important.

1041
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 1: Should I expect Should I expect that from Dan Quinn?

1042
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: Or I mean, like Buddha Baker is a great example.

1043
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: The Cowboys didn't have any interest in Buddha Baker? Could

1044
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: I get my hopes up that maybe it would be

1045
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: different under Dan Quinn? Like, does a utility guy like

1046
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: that fit into this defense? Here's what I would tell

1047
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: you the challenge in that. Right, it's the same conversation

1048
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: debate that you would have with Isaiah Simmons last year. Right,

1049
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: it looks it looks great from ari end, Like as scouts,

1050
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: we're like, Oh, he can do this, he can do that,

1051
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: can do this, But then coaches tell me, Okay, well

1052
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: what room does he go to when it's time for

1053
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: position meetings? Yeah? How do we get him reps to

1054
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: do all of these things that you're banting about? How

1055
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: are we going to figure this out? And So when

1056
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: you think about that, it's easier when you have a

1057
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: guy that has a clearly defined role because at least,

1058
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: you know, worst case I can put him here and

1059
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: he can survive or whatever, and then if we can

1060
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: expand it, he can thrive. I think the kid that

1061
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: you're mentioning, I think we have to look at the

1062
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: game differently now. I think the days of a the

1063
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 1: strong safety lineback or whatever. I think teams are playing

1064
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: Nickel and Don anyway, yeah, and if you can get

1065
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: on the field, you can run and chase and make plays.

1066
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,479
Speaker 1: We throw you out there and we call you whatever

1067
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: we call you when we rolled the lineups on the

1068
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: bottom third. But when you play the games, give me

1069
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: the eleven best guys, and I got to put eleven

1070
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: best athletes on the field and kind of figure it out.

1071
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: And so hopefully he dan Quinn has some of that

1072
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: in his repertoire, because you don't want to miss out

1073
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: on some of those players that you can get as

1074
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: impact players, because speed is everything in this game. Well,

1075
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: in talking about guys with these these physical attributes, and

1076
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: maybe this guy's a little bit bigger, but I know

1077
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: y'all's LSU Tiger. In Jabril Cox I mentioned that I

1078
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: watched him yesterday and got to kind of watch a

1079
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: little bit of the Tigers. I like his size, I

1080
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: mean six four, he's got long arms, and ultimately he

1081
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: was better on tape in twenty twenty than he was

1082
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: even playing against lesser competition, I think against back before

1083
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: his time at LSU, when he was at North Dakota State.

1084
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: But I would put him right in that conversation of

1085
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: a Chaz Sad and general Luca Cormora and maybe even

1086
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: a Baron Browning. I think there's a lump of linebackers

1087
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: that are in the second in the third round that

1088
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could potentially be interested in and maybe even

1089
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: upgrade over what they have already. Guys. I don't like

1090
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: bringing up LSU players because I don't want people to

1091
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: think I'm a homer. But Jabril Cox can play. I

1092
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: think he's a ball in. He can no, he could like,

1093
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: he's physical, he can cover at least decently. I don't know,

1094
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: I don't know where you would have to draft him,

1095
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: but he's he's a good football player. I love that.

1096
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: I love your idea, Kyle play. Yeah. I'll say this

1097
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: though about him though, when he was coming out, when

1098
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: he when the season started, the two national they have

1099
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: National scouting and Blessto scouting. Blesto had a second round

1100
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: grade on him. So scouts going in to LSU had

1101
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: a grade of a one two seven on him. That's

1102
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: like a late two going in and so yeah, that's

1103
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: that's that's that's pretty heavy stuff right there. For a

1104
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: transfer and the kid, the kid want they want a

1105
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: ton of games at North Dakota State. Guys, A champion.

1106
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: He on an LSU team that struggled so bad on defense.

1107
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: He was one of the bright spots that they had,

1108
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: a clear bright spot. Yeah, well, you're seeing more of

1109
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: those guys play, and so I wouldn't discount it. And

1110
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: so I think the sweet spot for those linebackers anywhere

1111
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: the second and third round. And so when we're looking

1112
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: at trace and we're looking at what can they do? Well,

1113
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: he can run and chase, he can cover in space,

1114
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: he can do some of the things that you have

1115
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: to do because you have to think about the teams

1116
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: that you're playing in the division. And when you think

1117
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: about who is going to deal with Antonio Gibson floating

1118
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: out the backfield and doing all the stuff that he

1119
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: could do for the Washington football team, or Miles Stands

1120
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: for Philadelphia, or when se Quon Barkley comes back, you

1121
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: better have someone on your second level who can handle

1122
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: those matchups and quickly close and defend those guys. And

1123
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: so I think speed has to be something that's addressed,

1124
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: because Jaalen Smith doesn't have the speed to be able

1125
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: to do it. And even though you may be hamstrung

1126
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: with this contract, I think at some point you have

1127
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: to find more speed to put at the second level

1128
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: to be able to deal with the teams in division.

1129
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: Change the directions huge. I mean, when you're watching this tape,

1130
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: if you watch the linebacker they can't change direction, you

1131
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: might as well turn off the tape because that is

1132
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: so huge. I mean, it's it's unbelievable. You know, how

1133
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: you watch these games and how they're affected by guys

1134
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: not being in position because they can't change direction. That's

1135
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,479
Speaker 1: kind of why I like Nick Bolton a lot, because

1136
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: I think he can change direction. I think he's a

1137
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: guy who's athletic enough. Same thing with your Bill Cox.

1138
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean, there was really no issue on tape, at

1139
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: least from what I was seeing in terms of changing direction. Now,

1140
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 1: does it kind of deter you the fact that there's

1141
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: no top end linebackers in this draft, or are you

1142
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: okay taking a second or a third round guy like this,

1143
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: because I mean you've invested a first round pick in

1144
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: Layton vander esh and a second round pick in Jalen

1145
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: Smith with your linebackers already? Are you okay investing a

1146
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: high enough pick but still kind of I guess in

1147
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: the later part, still kind of taking a risk and

1148
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: trying to replace one of those two guys. Linebackers are

1149
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: the running backs of defense. You should be able to

1150
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: find good ones all over the place. Like I said,

1151
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: what I said, what I said, Oh, Bucky's gonna kill me,

1152
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: so so here here, here's here's what I hear, what

1153
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: I get. And I understand this because like it's it's

1154
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: the thing like we like to theorize like these things,

1155
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: and it makes sense. It's almost like, hey, never take

1156
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: a guard. Never, never take a guard in the top ten,

1157
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: don't take running backs. Don't take this. I would say this,

1158
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: if the talent Mary's being able to take someone in

1159
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: the first round, take a good player. But yes, if not,

1160
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: if there's a surplus, yeah you can. You can find

1161
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: them everywhere. I would say, because I saw your thing

1162
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: about Devin White, kind of change your mind, like good

1163
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: players make good teams. If you if you promise me,

1164
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: if you promise me, I'm getting Devin White. That's a

1165
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: different conversation, right, It depends on what comes out. I

1166
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: think what you can do is, man, you're fa acture that.

1167
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: And I think what we do is sometimes particularly when

1168
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: we're with teams, we we manufactured the position of need

1169
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: to say, hey, you know we're at ten. This guy

1170
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: is that as opposed to no, he's not a we

1171
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: can't take him at ten because he's not dead, because

1172
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: we're only setting ourselves up to fail. I think take

1173
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: really good players, and it does a Patrick Willis take

1174
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: a Patrick Willis having said that, you know, having said that,

1175
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: and I mean, you're you're right. I mean, if a guy,

1176
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: if he's that good, you should take him. No, No,

1177
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: but Bryan Guyan to get up, Bryant up, Bryan hit

1178
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: there is half and you fold it. Is there a

1179
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: linebacker in this draft that's worth that pick a ten? Yeah? No, No,

1180
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: there's not. And that's like anybody I wouldn't a ways

1181
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: say they think the way you feel about linebackers the

1182
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: way I feel about wide receivers. I believe you don't

1183
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: need to take a wide receiver in the first round.

1184
01:00:55,360 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: There's a there's that Green Bay Packer coming out of here. Man,

1185
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: I'm looking I'm looking at Davante Adams, I'm looking at

1186
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs. I'm looking at Michael Thomas, round, I'm looking

1187
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: at I'm looking at all these dudes. I'm like, I mean,

1188
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: do I really need the fourth over first round pick.

1189
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: It also helps if your quarterback is good. But I mean,

1190
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: do I now have to invest in any of those

1191
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: things like quarterbacks, Yeah, but offensive tackles, pass rushers, and corners. Well,

1192
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: so that actually, that's that's kind of the point that

1193
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: I make it, And like, I get it. I get it.

1194
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: You once you cross a certain certain threshold, you're worth drafting.

1195
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: But like I'm over here thinking about Dion Jones picked

1196
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: in the middle of the second round. Our old friend

1197
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: Anthony Hitchins was a fourth round pick, still playing great

1198
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: for Kansas City. If I'm drafting in the top ten,

1199
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: I want one of those money positions. I want coverage,

1200
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: I want pass rush. Yeah, like a great offensive tackle

1201
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: or if you need one, a quarterback, Like, that's what

1202
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking for more so than a linebacker. You're you're

1203
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: saying linebackers out of money position. I mean, do we

1204
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: need to get into this even though we're over it's

1205
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: not it's not not in today's NFL. I just want

1206
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: to unless unless they can get after the passer, Like

1207
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: whoever you take in the top ten, top fifteen, they

1208
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: have to be able to impact the quarterback in some way,

1209
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: either protect him, make the game easy for him, knock

1210
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: him down or eliminate his passes. It has to be

1211
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: something in that. If it's a linebacker, there's just an

1212
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: old two down linebacker. We can't get those guys anywhere

1213
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: and everywhere. Yeah, I think there's plenty of those guys

1214
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: sprinkled throughout the day. Two picks in a second, third round,

1215
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: and I think the Cowboys, I would honestly, if it's

1216
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: not a defensive tackle in the second round, I think

1217
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: it would probably be a linebacker at least that's from

1218
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: initial thoughts. Ensure. There's a lot of evaluation to still

1219
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: be had whenever it comes to that position. I was

1220
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: gonna say, you're just trying to put the draft class

1221
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: together in January exactly. There's a ton of time left,

1222
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: and I understand this, and there's not even a cowbine

1223
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: to go by. But if I had to do it today,

1224
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: that's probably what I think it would be. But that's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it for us here on the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: dot Com Draft Show. So fun to be with you

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Speaker 1: guys here over the last hour and we'll be back

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, ten am Central Thursday with the other group.

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Speaker 1: Just be sure to join us but for Bucky Brooks,

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Speaker 1: for Brian brought us, and for David Helman. I'm Kyle

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