Speaker 1: Look out. It's a films to be buried with Rewind Classic.
Speaker 1: Hello everyone, I hope you're well. This is Brett Goldstein.
Speaker 1: For those of you who've been listening to the last
Speaker 1: few weeks. This will be the last Rewind Classic episode
Speaker 1: while I concentrate on filming, and then next week we're
Speaker 1: gonna have a brand new episode, so thank you for
Speaker 1: bearing with me. But this week we've got an all
Speaker 1: time classic episode with Jamie Demitrio. Now, if you haven't
Speaker 1: heard this one, fuck, it's a funny one. We recorded
Speaker 1: this one so long ago, three years ago we were
Speaker 1: but children, and it's really worth a revisit. Jamie Demitrio
Speaker 1: is so fucking funny. Oh, we recorded this in person.
Speaker 1: This is when they used to happen in person. Do
Speaker 1: you remember Do you remember? Do you remember back in
Speaker 1: the day we could meet up? Do you remember that? Anyway,
Speaker 1: have a listen to this. If you want all the
Speaker 1: extra stuff that you get with the podcast, the videos,
Speaker 1: the extra questions, the secrets, you can go to patreon
Speaker 1: dot com forward slash Brett Gonstein for all that stuff
Speaker 1: from nearly all of the episodes. Otherwise, we'll be back
Speaker 1: next week with a brand new episode. Thank you for
Speaker 1: bearing with me on this and I hope you are well,
Speaker 1: enjoy yourselves, have a good life, and I very much
Speaker 1: hope you enjoy this. Films to be Buried With rewind classic.
Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Films to be Married With. My
Speaker 1: name is Brett Gonstein, and I have your face. I'm
Speaker 1: joined today by an incredible guest. He is an actor,
Speaker 1: a writer, let's sketch came median, a singer, a bad
Speaker 1: estate agent fictional, and a Channel four sitcom superstar. Please
Speaker 1: welcome to this show. The one and only mister Jamie
Speaker 1: sitcom superstar wars here he is. Thanks man, thanks for
Speaker 1: saying I'm a sitcom superstar? You are? You? Forgot to
Speaker 1: mention Brett Goldstein sort of equal looking like well look alike? Yeah,
Speaker 1: equal sound equal makes me think masolute plaids No, no, no,
Speaker 1: well maybe Brett gold wishes it. I wish I was
Speaker 1: a britt. I wish I would Jamie dem how were
Speaker 1: you equal? Out? I keep forgetting which one I am? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we do have a silverar look if I may. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just ambiguous? Yeah? Where are they from? Yeah? What's wrong
Speaker 1: with them? And how are we safe with them? I
Speaker 1: think I'm on the lower end. I think if if
Speaker 1: people were to be like, what's the difference between the
Speaker 1: two of them, to be like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be mean about Jamie, but Brett is, And you know
Speaker 1: where that sentence goes. I think the end of the sense,
Speaker 1: Jamie's the one I can say for laying the room with.
Speaker 1: Of course, I was gonna say, Bret can wear a
Speaker 1: leather jacket, exactly, and Jamie Carr, you got I wouldn't
Speaker 1: look confident in a leather jacket, and the way you do.
Speaker 1: I feel like your jacket grew out of me, out
Speaker 1: of you. Yeah. Yeah, it's made of my own skin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it started at your cuffs and it sort of grew
Speaker 1: back onto your body. Yeah. You shaved a leather jacket
Speaker 1: off someone else and then put it on and then
Speaker 1: felt win it. Yeah, exactly. That. Okay, thanks for coming
Speaker 1: to my place. The nice of people say so I
Speaker 1: love your sitcom. Step Let's flat. Yeah, a good title
Speaker 1: for a sitcom. That it's very funny, proper like Jack
Speaker 1: Jake's character. Funny, funny, funny, funny. Thanks man made me
Speaker 1: laugh and I was on my own and laughed. And
Speaker 1: that's powerful stuff. Really yes, Yeah, I always feel like
Speaker 1: I'm going mad when I'm on my own and I'm laughing.
Speaker 1: I don't think I do do that that often. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is actually rare to Elane in your house. I'll
Speaker 1: occasionally do one big clap with a very straight face appreciated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I really appreciate that, Thanks very much, mate.
Speaker 1: It was very hard and I was very sad for
Speaker 1: a long time writing it. Right, that's the that's comedy,
Speaker 1: that's comedy. Did you feel any joy during the production
Speaker 1: shooting with six of the best weeks I've ever had,
Speaker 1: and I've had shit loads weeks I've seen your Instagram.
Speaker 1: Oh not good weeks, just weeks the good ones a
Speaker 1: few and far. But yeah, shooting it was amazing and
Speaker 1: weirdly made it feel worth Did it make it feel
Speaker 1: worth while? I don't know if five and a half
Speaker 1: years of misery, if six weeks can make that worth while?
Speaker 1: I did. We made super Bowl that was basically five
Speaker 1: five years altogether, and the shoot was the best time
Speaker 1: in my life. But the shoot was eighteen days. It
Speaker 1: was eighteen days out of five years. And you think,
Speaker 1: is that balance right, that ratio right? Is the euphoria
Speaker 1: coming from the fact that you know you're nearing the
Speaker 1: end of the horrible time. It's because it's the closest
Speaker 1: time to the end of making it. Well, I think
Speaker 1: it's because you're finally fucking doing this thing that you've
Speaker 1: been trying to do forever and you never right. I
Speaker 1: certainly think you must have had this if you were
Speaker 1: five years in development with them, just so many times
Speaker 1: if well, this is never gonna oh yeah, oh I
Speaker 1: wrote it a year and a half. When you really
Speaker 1: think about it, it does make the joy of doing
Speaker 1: it irrelevant when you're like, wow, I need to not
Speaker 1: do that again. Be miserable for that long? No way,
Speaker 1: what for six weeks of happiness? No, Like, I've got
Speaker 1: a film in very very early development out in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. In my head, I have what I started
Speaker 1: staff when I was twenty four, and I wrapped two
Speaker 1: days before I was thirty. Wow. Yeah, And so I
Speaker 1: started properly thinking about doing this film and talking to
Speaker 1: you know, people who can make it around thirty And
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, realistically, if I set my sights any sooner
Speaker 1: than forty, I'm going to be very upset. I think.
Speaker 1: For I think I'll be forty when I make it
Speaker 1: and the character won't work anymore. I'd love to reassure
Speaker 1: you that that's not the case, but I think that's
Speaker 1: a reasonable way. Yeah, I think. I think tenure. I
Speaker 1: think tenure I've made I made a short film of it,
Speaker 1: and that is enough for me? Is that the car? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Great short film? Thanks man, available on Sky. It's actually
Speaker 1: on YouTube on YouTube. I went to look at a camera,
Speaker 1: but there isn't one. There is one. Brett's filming. Me.
Speaker 1: Didn't tell him that the camera. It's been always filming
Speaker 1: a little teddy bear I and you are you can
Speaker 1: say this now. I believe this will come out after
Speaker 1: you've annouced it. You're making a series twos two, which
Speaker 1: will be less than five years in the major Yeah
Speaker 1: that Yeah, that's been a nice process knowing that it's nearby,
Speaker 1: but it's also worrying. So it's like, does it you know?
Speaker 1: If anyone liked it? Did they like it? Because it
Speaker 1: took five and a half years to make? Because of
Speaker 1: all they're suffering, right, I mean the second album? They
Speaker 1: are there any there were loads of second albums are
Speaker 1: better than the first one. What's a good second series?
Speaker 1: I think most sitcoms, second series is the best series, really, yeah,
Speaker 1: because the hardest thing is building your world, and you
Speaker 1: built your world, then the second series is like, oh,
Speaker 1: we've got the world. Now we can play with the
Speaker 1: characters right and have some fun. And then after that
Speaker 1: it becomes two dimensional and they always loses its way.
Speaker 1: But second series strong because parks and record. I think
Speaker 1: three and four pretty good. Yeah, two three four a
Speaker 1: good Red Dwarf. First series finding its feat second series
Speaker 1: not a reference. I don't really, I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Guy trying to think of the sitcoms that were funny. Wait,
Speaker 1: wait the Office, I think they're evenly good. Yeah, that's true. Partridge, right,
Speaker 1: I'm an a Partridge, which I guess you can't really
Speaker 1: call series one and two is so much good before.
Speaker 1: I think that they're equally good. But I only found out,
Speaker 1: like a couple of years ago that the general consensus,
Speaker 1: I think among the people who made it as well,
Speaker 1: is that they shouldn't have done a second series. So
Speaker 1: I find very weird because I think a lot of
Speaker 1: the best stuff is a series two. Yeah. And that's
Speaker 1: films for you. That's and this is a chat about films. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you're making stuffs, definitely, but in in a fifth
Speaker 1: of the time you made the last serious Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it will be rushed and yeah on the calf, but
Speaker 1: it will well looking for it to be bad, but
Speaker 1: not shit. Yeah, just like crap. Great if it's just crap.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have no sense you have no more
Speaker 1: confidence in it now? Now you really got less confidence? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm basically as confident as I am near
Speaker 1: to the last person who complimented it, Do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? So you were just quite nice about it,
Speaker 1: A little spring in my stuff. Have you seen my
Speaker 1: foot swaggling? I'm pooing on your accouch? But yeah, my
Speaker 1: head goes. Yeah, there was that bit that you think
Speaker 1: is really bad? Oh yeah, you're right. It was the
Speaker 1: worst show ever made. What about that line that you
Speaker 1: don't like in it? Yeah? God, yeah, I forgot it
Speaker 1: is we should burn it copy? Yeah, it does. Think
Speaker 1: I haven't watched it for so long. Did you watch
Speaker 1: it again too before you started writing or if he
Speaker 1: left it? Well, I started writing so soon after after
Speaker 1: it went out. One more question about the joy of it, please,
Speaker 1: which was so minimal when you everyone involved in it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna listen to this. I really you love the shoot,
Speaker 1: I will okay positives. Yeah. I love the cast and
Speaker 1: the crew and everyone involved in making it, producers, director
Speaker 1: so much. I was very, very very happy that we
Speaker 1: got to cast for people that we did. Yeah. That
Speaker 1: is one thing that I stand by with it is
Speaker 1: I think it's got a really good cast. I just
Speaker 1: think that everyone is brilliant and I'm impressed by everyone
Speaker 1: in it. It's approper ensemble. That's the other thing that's great.
Speaker 1: Every character, it's funny. Oh thanks man, Well, yeah, well
Speaker 1: done them. They really are in their own right. They
Speaker 1: are all people that I've just I just want to
Speaker 1: see on TV and want to see do stuff and
Speaker 1: want to see them do the stuff that i've seen
Speaker 1: them do that they've come up with themselves. Like our
Speaker 1: Roberts for example, who plays out at me Is. I
Speaker 1: saw him in my first year at the Fringe and
Speaker 1: I really lost my mind. I thought it was the
Speaker 1: funniest he was doing footlights and I thought it was
Speaker 1: the funniest people I'd ever seen in my life. And
Speaker 1: I've just been waiting since to see him in a
Speaker 1: role that I thought was worthy of him. And that's
Speaker 1: why the characters called out that's nice. Yeah, well not
Speaker 1: that I was the person to do it. I just
Speaker 1: was like, I want I give him a lot. I
Speaker 1: like him to do his own thing. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: And when it came out and it did well, I
Speaker 1: believed when to get your things all right, I mean
Speaker 1: it was it went out during Love Island and the
Speaker 1: World Cup and the summer. Yes, and as a result
Speaker 1: a nurse breakdown. So I think fourteen people saw it,
Speaker 1: but I only knew like twelve of them. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: were two strangers and they yeah, I've seen I'm stalking
Speaker 1: them weirdly, tell me what I have a bit? Did
Speaker 1: you like Jason people left the bath? He to say
Speaker 1: they yeah, did you see all of them? Yeah? They didn't.
Speaker 1: Why did you start watching after five? I just haven't
Speaker 1: got round tis in my sky. I do get when
Speaker 1: people do come up to me. I do get sometimes
Speaker 1: like its just completely unwelcome. Just like I saw your show.
Speaker 1: I saw your show you go, ye gone, they go.
Speaker 1: It grew on me. Oh, I like episode four. You're like,
Speaker 1: all right, thank you, thanks for sticking with it when
Speaker 1: you clearly didn't like for yeah, cheers, And what was
Speaker 1: happening when you came up to me there. Everyone's just
Speaker 1: assuming you want to know everything in the world. But
Speaker 1: it's fine. But the people who have been lovely and
Speaker 1: listening to this thanks so much genuinely. Like I said,
Speaker 1: if someone comes up to me and says they really
Speaker 1: like it, I get to like it for about ten minutes.
Speaker 1: You get to like episode four. Yeah, every other one.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're right, every other one has ruined Telly. Shit.
Speaker 1: So you're going to make films. You like films, You're
Speaker 1: a film gay. Yeah. I think I was obsessed growing up,
Speaker 1: like big Empire collector. Since I was like seven, my
Speaker 1: pocket money might as well have been called video viking money.
Speaker 1: So I used to go to my video My local
Speaker 1: video shop was called video Viking, and it would It
Speaker 1: was just no question to me, that's what it would
Speaker 1: be spent on, and I would just hire anything, just
Speaker 1: I wanted to see everything. I've just watched so much Telly.
Speaker 1: But the more I get into doing it for a living,
Speaker 1: the less I find it easy to concentrate, especially when
Speaker 1: watching stuff at home, like when I go to a
Speaker 1: lot of the time, I'll go to the cinema to
Speaker 1: unblocked writer's block, so I just end up missing the
Speaker 1: film because ideas, yes I'll be I'll be watching. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have this, but I find
Speaker 1: it's so much easier to write or just do anything
Speaker 1: when I'm not supposed to be doing it. It was
Speaker 1: like at UNI, I could never write an essay, but
Speaker 1: then if everyone was going on a big night out,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I'm going to stay and do this.
Speaker 1: It's like, whatever the cheekiest thing you can be doing,
Speaker 1: my brain made me do it. You're going out and films.
Speaker 1: See what fun from last night man Jesus Christ? But no,
Speaker 1: I yeah, so I go to the cinema and I
Speaker 1: just spent a whole time like flat, which is the
Speaker 1: outcome of every episode. A lot of people like, when
Speaker 1: is he going to let a flat? I'm like, he does.
Speaker 1: He always does, because the joke of the show is
Speaker 1: you'd be mad to not be able to let a
Speaker 1: flat because all you have to do is just point
Speaker 1: it at a flat. It's to do with you anyway.
Speaker 1: I'm not telling that. Talking films, I love films. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I keep a log of every film I see, write
Speaker 1: every single one down in the back of my diary,
Speaker 1: right number them. I often talk people about films are going.
Speaker 1: I wish I knew every film I've ever seen, like
Speaker 1: I could list. I wish I knew how many films
Speaker 1: i'd seen. I was like, oh, starts, so like six
Speaker 1: years ago, I started writing every single one down, how
Speaker 1: many of you worked in the last six years. I
Speaker 1: tend to see it's dwindled. This is how I know.
Speaker 1: I see less. I think it was a round the
Speaker 1: new films. This is, yeah, the ones I haven't seen before.
Speaker 1: I probably see about one hundred and ten a year
Speaker 1: something like that, and now it's around sixty something, which
Speaker 1: is all right about the weeks like one just over
Speaker 1: one a week. Yeah, yeah, I still love it, but
Speaker 1: I do find that I find myself waiting for those
Speaker 1: sort of November to February period now where they're all
Speaker 1: a good point, where they're all the good ones, where
Speaker 1: this year I'm not that taken. If I'm honest, that's
Speaker 1: my favorite year. I don't know if this will go
Speaker 1: out this year. I'm talking about the beginning of nineteen.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'm going to put it in now.
Speaker 1: I'm never myself and stuff. So if my dulcet tones
Speaker 1: make people want to hit themselves in the head with
Speaker 1: a spade. Just feel free to turn it off. You won't,
Speaker 1: I personally will be as his podcast. That'd be annoyed
Speaker 1: if you don't. Sorry, I just listen. I wasn't going
Speaker 1: to draw a test of it. But actually, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: this is a big deal because J need to be
Speaker 1: much When I had brand getting zone, very rarely appears
Speaker 1: as himself and it's a real I know that you
Speaker 1: have and you do so thanks. I'm scared, but I
Speaker 1: do no. I've done it a few times myself, but
Speaker 1: I'm technically not myself because I'm a puddle scared on
Speaker 1: the chair, whereas I feel quite chill. Oh well, I
Speaker 1: forgotten to tell you. Oh fuck, I should do? You
Speaker 1: want to turn the thing off and tell me? Oh god, im,
Speaker 1: we'll keep recording. I should have told you about it's
Speaker 1: so bad. I think you're going to be well. I'm
Speaker 1: glad to you that's telling me because cool. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I'll just say it. I guess I'll just say it.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to word it. He's on the floor.
Speaker 1: I believe you want to put it into a sentence. Well,
Speaker 1: I just I just I guess I was going to
Speaker 1: say you you died, you died, squeezed you died. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. How did you die? Well, everyone was smashing
Speaker 1: around and I got caught up in it. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: what do you mean? I was whacking around, whacking around,
Speaker 1: Everyone was whacking around, and it was a big hubbub,
Speaker 1: and it nicks my head. I got my nicked. You
Speaker 1: got killed in a hammer? Or someone tweeted. Someone tweeted
Speaker 1: something and everyone got when it was everyone was off
Speaker 1: in arms about the tweet and they were smashing around
Speaker 1: because everyone was so unhappy about the tweet and went
Speaker 1: out to see what was going on. I got and
Speaker 1: I got caught and someone nicked my head. Oh god,
Speaker 1: And yeah it wasn't my tweet. I know what it
Speaker 1: was about. God, But I get it when someone tweets
Speaker 1: something that isn't something that I think. I'm like, what
Speaker 1: about tweeting something that I that I agree with? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then I get out and around. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: just I wasn't awareness you hadn't kicked tweet that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just like what the habit? He went out and
Speaker 1: with people backing around, Yes, and what happens. What happens
Speaker 1: in my head nicked. Someone nicked me in the head
Speaker 1: with someone was swinging their hubbub smashing around my head.
Speaker 1: I get it, though, don't tweet if you're not tweeting
Speaker 1: what everyone thinks. Come on, make sure everyone agrees, and
Speaker 1: then let's get it out there. Yeah, unless you less
Speaker 1: you went random deaths like this one? Yes? Are you
Speaker 1: scared of death? Yeah? Oh yeah? Yeah right? Are you not? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What's not to be scared of? Some people are scared
Speaker 1: of it or they don't think about it. What religious ment? No,
Speaker 1: I think religious people are scared of it because a
Speaker 1: lot of religion. Yeah, the way they have a better
Speaker 1: better be good? Oh, I mean I kind of worry
Speaker 1: about talking about this because I might not be able
Speaker 1: to think about films. I mean, and I am dead,
Speaker 1: So what's there to be scared? Death just looks like
Speaker 1: a chilled out dude's living room filled the film posters
Speaker 1: and a couple of glasses of water. What's what do
Speaker 1: you think about it? That a lot? I try not
Speaker 1: to brott. I feel like I'm thinking about it quite
Speaker 1: a lot now considering I am dead. Yeah, well I
Speaker 1: always knew that when I died, I go all right,
Speaker 1: let's get this film podcast done and then I'll settle
Speaker 1: him to death. Yeah, it's one last thing to do,
Speaker 1: or one the first thing to put your affairs in
Speaker 1: order and tell your family you love him. No, no,
Speaker 1: I promise better due podcast. Wait but I've already died.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, No, one's getting their affairs in order once
Speaker 1: they're dead. Well, they're going straight to the film calls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. This is the front door to death. So
Speaker 1: you worry about death, you don't want to think about it.
Speaker 1: I think, right, I'm going to try and say this
Speaker 1: without thinking about it. I think the big realization, Oh god,
Speaker 1: I mean almost definitely cut this because there's a polite
Speaker 1: thing to talk about. Is I always considered the idea like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm considering myself agnostic. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I assume there's nothing after. And when when you really
Speaker 1: can conceive of the idea of nothing thing? Yeah, because
Speaker 1: when you think of nothingness, you think of like a
Speaker 1: dark room, like you're sat in, like a solitary confinement
Speaker 1: or something like, oh crap, I don't see anything but nothing.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, not even that it's nothing. The idea
Speaker 1: of nothing is like minus that when I realize that,
Speaker 1: let's just I don't have texticles anymore because I thought
Speaker 1: that once. Yeah, that's where they went. Yeah, all units
Speaker 1: had that thought. You know, I might have said this before.
Speaker 1: You know this if Youth in Gravity, Yes, you know
Speaker 1: the bit where Sandra Bullock gets sort of pushed and
Speaker 1: she starts spinning through space and she goes, oh no, none,
Speaker 1: and if no one gets to us, she's just going
Speaker 1: to be spinning. Yeah, that's how I visitize the fear
Speaker 1: of nothingness. It's just spinning. But isn't that something that's though,
Speaker 1: because spinning is something. Yeah, it's like the BA to
Speaker 1: me is like, oh God, whereas nothingness is like there's
Speaker 1: no way of God to be said, because you're just like,
Speaker 1: you're not even, you can't even, You're not like anything.
Speaker 1: It's just And this is why, this is why we
Speaker 1: shouldn't be talking about it. Because the Pan's Labyrinth poster
Speaker 1: in your room is starting to look so much more terrified.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind if this was what death was. Imagine
Speaker 1: if that was a universal thing. When you die, you
Speaker 1: go to comedian Brett Goldstein's living room, and there's enough
Speaker 1: films in here to last you maybe two months you
Speaker 1: were to watch them consistent? Yeah, gone, is that you
Speaker 1: and poorly from the sopranos? Or is that just poorly
Speaker 1: from the soprano? It's poorly from the sopranos signed to
Speaker 1: my auntie Andy Lovely. I think it's and now it's
Speaker 1: all the sopranos, and I think it actually says from pussy,
Speaker 1: does he not? Does poorly? Not know whose character is? Well,
Speaker 1: that's so funny. I feel like then that those guys
Speaker 1: aren't a hundred percent engaged with what they're doing, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: from the gangster character. I all say, wasn't there when
Speaker 1: that's was given? And it may have just been a
Speaker 1: random in having American right right? Right? Yeah? Yeah, sure
Speaker 1: have pussy. What's the significance of that tennis balls that
Speaker 1: from the Wimbledon film? Yeah? That's And this carpet in
Speaker 1: the room is this from the carpet from notting Hill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's the carpet that risk the fans naked. Ah. Yes,
Speaker 1: And that dawn of that I assume is from trannosaur
Speaker 1: by No, but it's close. It's from Jenny had his
Speaker 1: figure prints. Hey, I've got good news for you there
Speaker 1: isn't nothingness? Well, what is there? There's a heaven? Oh right, okay,
Speaker 1: it's quite nice if you like that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: You're into that. What am I into? There being a heaven? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'd love that? All right, great, well, good news, it's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And there's lots of people there. They're all fans of
Speaker 1: all six episodes of absolutely not. They watched the moll
Speaker 1: Day one immediately to people think the first one's too hectic.
Speaker 1: No one's watching the first one up in heaven. They
Speaker 1: want to relax. We're all agreed. No, everyone loves still
Speaker 1: Unlikable and episode one up in heaven and they don't
Speaker 1: want to happen heaven the level one to six. And
Speaker 1: they're very excited by season two, even though they never
Speaker 1: get to see it because you died. But you're going
Speaker 1: to tell them what the stories were. It's going to
Speaker 1: be even better. Just get it live anyway. The point
Speaker 1: is what they really want to talk to you about
Speaker 1: in heaven is your life. But three films? Can you
Speaker 1: imagine that? What a bunch of legends? Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: The first thing they want to know is what's the
Speaker 1: first film you remember seeing? And was it a video?
Speaker 1: And Vikings. This is this is. It's annoying that this
Speaker 1: is the first one because it's the only one that
Speaker 1: I don't have a definite answer for. Do you have
Speaker 1: a definitely do you know the definitely know the first
Speaker 1: film you saw. I've really been thinking about it, and
Speaker 1: I think I do. But but yeah, it's possible that
Speaker 1: there was, you know, yeah, free because but I think
Speaker 1: you know these things because your parents tell you that.
Speaker 1: My parents don't remember anything about me when I was
Speaker 1: a kid. When I asked them what my what my
Speaker 1: first word was they it's not even like all sorry, Jay,
Speaker 1: It's just like, I don't know, there's I'm so sentimental
Speaker 1: about stuff like that. Something. I have a vague memory
Speaker 1: of being stood outside the Odeon Barnet and seeing the
Speaker 1: Little Mermaid poster out front, but I can't remember if
Speaker 1: I was going in to see it or I just
Speaker 1: saw that poster. I can't remember being in the film
Speaker 1: in the cinema watching it or not, which is really annoying,
Speaker 1: But I think it was that. The earliest memory I
Speaker 1: have of watching like a film film that wasn't like
Speaker 1: a kids film is Drop Dead Fred. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember going to my cousin's house in Nottingham and and
Speaker 1: always asking to watch that and being like this is
Speaker 1: the funniest, maddest thing ever. It's like it's quite it's
Speaker 1: quite scary in a weird way because he's so there's
Speaker 1: no he has no control and he's got no boundary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a gritty British version of the mask, like
Speaker 1: the sort of the masks, like everything sort of under control.
Speaker 1: I think he's got his catchphrases and stuff like you
Speaker 1: know where you are, but brick male is I mean
Speaker 1: he could sort of like smash your TV screen through,
Speaker 1: come into your living room and like rub his ars
Speaker 1: on your face. Like then you feel like he could
Speaker 1: do anything because it's all about that film's all about
Speaker 1: not losing that like mad side of yourself as a kid.
Speaker 1: But not mad is in, like cheeky mad is in.
Speaker 1: Like if you were to apply the things that a
Speaker 1: kid did to an adult, it would be quite upsetting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's such a good reference, like the mask, the difference
Speaker 1: in the masks. He would slide down the banister and
Speaker 1: like jump off in a cool way, drop their friendly
Speaker 1: slide down and banister knock his testicles on the end
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, and then maybe they'd come off and
Speaker 1: he'd have to put them back on, the sort of thing,
Speaker 1: and you probably see them. Yeah. Yeah, he's amazing in
Speaker 1: the film, just like such a force of whatever he is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that that to me, and I remember I remember
Speaker 1: it because there was a lot of I think I've
Speaker 1: probably spent a lot of my younger years wanting to
Speaker 1: be cool and have seen things before people, and I
Speaker 1: think that's probably the first example. I remember going to
Speaker 1: school and being like it was a fifteen as well,
Speaker 1: which is a huge deal because I was probably like
Speaker 1: it in God, when would that have been. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was like, I think I may have been like
Speaker 1: seven or something. I'm thirty one. But I remember being
Speaker 1: at school and being like, I've seen drop dead Fred.
Speaker 1: Actually at the end of the day, can't go on
Speaker 1: story short, so whatever make it that way you will.
Speaker 1: And I remember a boy in my class going, no,
Speaker 1: you haven't, because I saw it at my cousin's house.
Speaker 1: And I was actually, as well as being a shelf,
Speaker 1: I was very sensitive, so I was like, actually, no,
Speaker 1: you're right. If you if that's the case, then there's
Speaker 1: no way I've seen it. That boy now I think
Speaker 1: it's in jail, so fair enough. That's what you get
Speaker 1: for being to me. I think he stole out cars. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can't find him on Facebook, so I assume yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: or on any sort of social media. Want to see
Speaker 1: if on the Sea, if Drop Dead Friends in his
Speaker 1: list of favorites, and if he has actually seen it.
Speaker 1: The pricks his head shot, but yeah, those are my
Speaker 1: think those of my first I saw they had it
Speaker 1: on video. It was like one of their you know
Speaker 1: when you used to go to someone's house as a
Speaker 1: kid and there's nothing to do because there's no like games,
Speaker 1: console or anything, and he's sick of just playing generic
Speaker 1: playing like let's play. Do you remember playing? It was nothing,
Speaker 1: just running around and laughing. Okay, what do you know? What?
Speaker 1: What do you want to play? What'll come on? You
Speaker 1: know the one? And then you just sort of run around.
Speaker 1: No and no, but I'm the mum. I'm the mum,
Speaker 1: and that's that's home, and that's home. That's home, that's home.
Speaker 1: And then I put this in my head and that's no.
Speaker 1: But this toy is gonna die. Watch what wait? Wait,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Well? I think the premise of
Speaker 1: this play what films do you have? And they go
Speaker 1: and there's one. There will be one weird one. They're
Speaker 1: like like, well, I've got mother Goose's football, like right,
Speaker 1: And then there's like a home video or like one
Speaker 1: of the dad's videos, so he's got like he's got
Speaker 1: like quadrophenia or something. Yeah. Yeah, and it's terror and
Speaker 1: you're like they're smoking. No, they're smoking on the cover. No.
Speaker 1: And then the other one will the last one will
Speaker 1: be like drop Dead Friends and it likes silly for
Speaker 1: the silly man on the front cover, so we'd watch that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean there were there were films like
Speaker 1: I'd watch obsessively as a kid, and I can't work
Speaker 1: out whether it was because like Home Alone, fanatically obsessed, right,
Speaker 1: just what? I just watch it just with my tongue
Speaker 1: out for like fifty hours and then go to sleep
Speaker 1: and then another fifty hours. I love that. I remember
Speaker 1: being so taken by the Lion King trailer that before
Speaker 1: it had come out, I had a Lion King themed pie.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know the film was good. I was like,
Speaker 1: get me all the march. We're all dressing as animals
Speaker 1: from Linking because it is going to be the best film.
Speaker 1: And then and then I went to see it like
Speaker 1: two weeks later, and I was just nodded the whole
Speaker 1: way through, like, yeah, it is the best film I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. Such an idiot I called it in my
Speaker 1: party like two weeks ago. Yeah, it's as good as
Speaker 1: I thought it would be. Brilliant. I'm glad I got
Speaker 1: all this. Were just carrying on my linking pencil cases
Speaker 1: and ben pencils inside, like yes, what's the film that
Speaker 1: scared you the most? As a kid, I just rejected
Speaker 1: being scared as a thing. I was never like a
Speaker 1: daredevil in that sense. I never I was never excited
Speaker 1: by the prospect of being scared, Like being scared is
Speaker 1: a bad thing. Like people would be like in the playground,
Speaker 1: like I'm having a you know, it was all It
Speaker 1: all started with sleepovers, didn't it to people? We're gonna
Speaker 1: have a sleepover me a scary film, And there'd be
Speaker 1: somebody like, we're going to watch the Texas Change saw
Speaker 1: mascre like whispering about it in the playgrounds, like well,
Speaker 1: the teachers can give your attention because at home, you're
Speaker 1: gonna watch a film. It's an eighteen years an eighteen
Speaker 1: i'd be like, oh much, I'm going to come like
Speaker 1: equally like suspect, thank you, it's cool. I'm actually not
Speaker 1: gonna ye like it's cool. I'm not gonna come to
Speaker 1: because it sounds so scary guys, guys enough for me.
Speaker 1: That's gonna like how many so scared? Probably not man
Speaker 1: a right, nice one. Put my shoes on. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's an eighteen. Where's no way I can watch that
Speaker 1: because I'm ten and I'm going to obey the rules here.
Speaker 1: I remember asking my friend Patrick what he was going
Speaker 1: to watch. Let the Sleepovers be like when I'm watching scary,
Speaker 1: because if we are, I won't come. Shall be annoying
Speaker 1: for me because I'll be terrified. I'm the one who
Speaker 1: doesn't like nightmares? Why does everyone like nightmares? And he's
Speaker 1: like no, no, no. And I got there and the
Speaker 1: dad was like, kids, gets what we're watching and pulled
Speaker 1: out The Exorcist. I think we were eleven, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, In fact, I do remember another party,
Speaker 1: someone saying we're going to watch night We're in on
Speaker 1: street and I went home. I think it's interesting that
Speaker 1: you're but you were like brave enough. I think that
Speaker 1: was very broad I was, I know, I just that instance.
Speaker 1: I think I made an excuse and left. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I forgot my because what do you have on? Oh god, No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my mum's at home and she's so nice and I
Speaker 1: love spending time with her, So I've probably got our
Speaker 1: christ I probably got because because if I'm here that
Speaker 1: means I won't be holding as nice as time as
Speaker 1: I'll be the other one. I'm gonna go. I'd need
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, that's this evening as well that I
Speaker 1: do that and every other evening. So wait. So there
Speaker 1: was that, But then they went out The Exorcist, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't do that again because I
Speaker 1: think I've been really taking the piss out of and
Speaker 1: I They watched The Exorcist and I sat with my
Speaker 1: back to the screens of the whole thing. What do
Speaker 1: you think of me, Brett? After all this, I'm hearing
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I sound like a wet nothing. No, listen,
Speaker 1: what I think is impressive and where I don't understand,
Speaker 1: like from the difference between our childs and maybe it
Speaker 1: takes some bulls to not go along with what everyone
Speaker 1: was doing to go I'm going now now I'm not
Speaker 1: coming to your horror thing. I'd be like, here's this
Speaker 1: fucking tough k I think you're picturing a straighter spine.
Speaker 1: It was very much like I would like a puddle
Speaker 1: of water and the house is on a slant and
Speaker 1: I'm under water. Would I just sort of like to
Speaker 1: ribble out of it and no one would notice? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I was about six foot fifteen when I
Speaker 1: was really when I was, so it was definitely noticeable,
Speaker 1: and my nose was most of that. So you've not
Speaker 1: seen it scary film. So The Witches used to really
Speaker 1: scare Yeah, And I think that's probably because it wasn't
Speaker 1: like an eighteen or anything, so it was one that
Speaker 1: I would have watched. Yeah, it would probably scare me
Speaker 1: till today. Yeah, because I think that I came to
Speaker 1: learn that those films that I didn't want to watch
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have scared me because Gord just does absolutely
Speaker 1: nothing for me. I don't receive it when I watch it.
Speaker 1: I just don't. It doesn't more often than not because
Speaker 1: I don't really care about the characters. I kind of
Speaker 1: think that existential crises scare me more so, like in
Speaker 1: the Witches, it's like the boy turning into a mouse
Speaker 1: and just it's like, oh gosh, that's hell. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the girl getting trapped in the picture and the family
Speaker 1: don't know where she's gone and she's just in the picture,
Speaker 1: and it's that it's that voicelessness that always scared me
Speaker 1: so much, and I'm so influenced by it. Like that
Speaker 1: short film, the one I'm trying to make, it's about
Speaker 1: a guy a car, it's all about it's all about
Speaker 1: a really horrible thing happening, and you're going like, oh, come,
Speaker 1: will someone be sympathetic. This is the worst thing that's
Speaker 1: ever happened. Why doesn't anyone say anything about it? And
Speaker 1: it's like she's so close to being fine, because if
Speaker 1: they were to see her in the picture, then maybe
Speaker 1: they could get her out. And that used to ruin me.
Speaker 1: I'd be like I couldn't think about it. I couldn't
Speaker 1: think about it. But more recently, I was sort of
Speaker 1: delighted to have a cinema experience where I was like
Speaker 1: that officially terrified me and Suspiria, Yeah, I was contorting.
Speaker 1: I was so scared. Great, I was so happy to
Speaker 1: be so affected by something we're talking about. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen the original, which I'm sure is sacrilege, but
Speaker 1: I I thought it was one of the best things
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. It's been a bit panned, doesn't it. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I think it's a real like you're ever gonna have
Speaker 1: it or not because it's mad. I went to see
Speaker 1: it with my friend Phoebe in the Bisto in La
Speaker 1: and it finished and she went, what do you think?
Speaker 1: And I screamed. I was so on edge that just
Speaker 1: someone a woman especially talking to me. I just like
Speaker 1: I like jerked and like kicked the chair on. No wait,
Speaker 1: I went into the toilet and someone like slammed the
Speaker 1: cubicle door and I like headbutted the wall. I was
Speaker 1: so on edge for ages and terrified that I was
Speaker 1: going to have nightmares. It was brilliant. That scene and
Speaker 1: I won't give anything away with that scene in the
Speaker 1: dance studio is unbelievable, and I think it's because it's
Speaker 1: there's no CGI. Those more materials really have so much
Speaker 1: more of an Yeah. Yeah, I think that graphics have
Speaker 1: got to a point now that we don't need to
Speaker 1: talk about the quality of graphics, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Remember, it's like all the graphics and that
Speaker 1: one brilliant graphics in Jamanji. All the bloody lines are
Speaker 1: going to bloody, bloody head off. But now it's just
Speaker 1: like it's a blanket. Like, yeah, graphics are good, let's
Speaker 1: get on with it. But I think that no matter
Speaker 1: how good they get, in the back of your mind,
Speaker 1: you won't you won't connect it. You won't connect to it.
Speaker 1: Now I hate it. A great example is the difference
Speaker 1: between the original Willy Wonka and Cholie and Opti Factor. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Tim Burton could have made those sweets like floats in
Speaker 1: front of your face, but this sort of texture of
Speaker 1: them in the original I can still even though they
Speaker 1: you watch it the old one now and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh that's a rubber ball. Yeah that's You're still like,
Speaker 1: but it's there to bite it. Yeah, it's there. They
Speaker 1: could touch it, whereas the Sweets and the new one
Speaker 1: you're like, it's just nothing. It's like, yeah, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: looking at a hologram. I often want to sort of
Speaker 1: like say to Hollywood, I don't think your CD is
Speaker 1: as good as you think it if because I keep
Speaker 1: watching stuff going. I mean, it still looks like a
Speaker 1: computer day, right, and everyone's going, oh, it's amazing, and
Speaker 1: I was getting amazing watching computer things jump a better. Yeah, totally,
Speaker 1: but like with a much rather a bad puppet because
Speaker 1: they're in the room, because it's commitment to the thing.
Speaker 1: Because no one's going, oh, that's not real. It's like yeah,
Speaker 1: and we know it's not real. We're not supposed to
Speaker 1: think it's real. Although saying that The Jungle Book was
Speaker 1: on TV over Christmas and Mowgli sat on Blues Tummy,
Speaker 1: I mean the New and my dad was like what
Speaker 1: and he's seen it before The Wise and it scradge him.
Speaker 1: But I also what was on something was on Pacific
Speaker 1: rim was on TV the other day and we flipped
Speaker 1: past it something like someone was like, this is actually amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean it's been kind of his actually amazing. So
Speaker 1: we like stopped to watch a bit of it and
Speaker 1: like there's huge monsters and contraptions like jumping around and
Speaker 1: like huge, and I was like, how is it that
Speaker 1: this is happening in front of us? We are watching
Speaker 1: gigantic monsters and like robots like destroying a city and
Speaker 1: everyone's just like it's like it's it's like if you've
Speaker 1: shown that to someone and I mean, it's I guess
Speaker 1: it's my dad's generation who like see stuff on a
Speaker 1: screen and like what oh no, oh no, Little Mogley Gaffie,
Speaker 1: the whole town, the whole city is fucked. Okay, what
Speaker 1: is the film? I think this could be a lot
Speaker 1: of about its given her sensitively. What's the film made?
Speaker 1: I thought about this, and I think that the one
Speaker 1: that's probably made me shed the most tears across my
Speaker 1: life is Hook. Every time Hook, I can't it's I
Speaker 1: think it's just like that's that thing of growing up, Slight,
Speaker 1: the end of Toys forty three, anything to do with
Speaker 1: growing up kills me. Hook is also to do with
Speaker 1: growing up because I loved it so much as a kid.
Speaker 1: And Robin Williams was such a huge part of why
Speaker 1: I want to do what you know, he's like the first,
Speaker 1: He's probably the first like comedy presence that made me
Speaker 1: want to do what I do for living. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just an assault on the senses. The
Speaker 1: color and like the motifs and everything. Oh, it's just powerpabball.
Speaker 1: Everything's so scary and beautiful and the performances are amazing
Speaker 1: and Dustin Hoffman is just the best in it. It's
Speaker 1: something about like like the bit where Hook's wig comes off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so provocative for some reason, and but it's probably
Speaker 1: because of me being a kid. And that whole the
Speaker 1: sequence where they imagine the food at the table and
Speaker 1: they have the food fight. It's that what the one
Speaker 1: can think. It's like you can taste it, and yeah,
Speaker 1: just everything about it. It's just wonderful. And I audiably cry.
Speaker 1: I like scream cry when I watch it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: comfortably sat watching TV screaming. Your dad got what? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah he doesn't get Why why is that fighting? Flying?
Speaker 1: I think the set up of Hooks some of the
Speaker 1: Spielberg's best work, the whole build up when they get
Speaker 1: to landing, when they go to Maggie Smith's house, stands
Speaker 1: by the bed, so you've become a pirate, Peter. I
Speaker 1: love that ship and I love I think it's really
Speaker 1: beautiful and scary and moving when they do the speech
Speaker 1: at the great Elman Street and the and the all
Speaker 1: the old men stand out, all the old orphins stand
Speaker 1: and then the window is suddenly open and all the
Speaker 1: snow comes in. Fuck it. It's so it's so like
Speaker 1: like fraught. The whole thing is like the tension is
Speaker 1: just so constant, Like they turn Peter Part into this
Speaker 1: tragic drama. Yeah, like the fact that she grew up
Speaker 1: to Maggie Smith and she lost her youth is like
Speaker 1: and not you're not crying from the beginning. Just everything
Speaker 1: about it. It's like, oh yeah, it's like any like crying,
Speaker 1: being scared. All those things I think are the makings
Speaker 1: for me of the best films. Like whenever someone says
Speaker 1: to me, like whenever I talk to someone about a
Speaker 1: film and they're like, oh, this is amazing, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is amazing, isn't it, And I go, oh god, no,
Speaker 1: it's ship I'll be like shit, be like yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so depressing and sad. I'm like, if it depressed you,
Speaker 1: then it was successful, wasn't it. When I went to
Speaker 1: see The Sixth Sense, I remember, this is the biggest
Speaker 1: impector film to ever had on me. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: more to do with something else. When the twist is unveiled, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I turned around and threw up on my mum projectile.
Speaker 1: I was like, here's a what I had had. Weirdly,
Speaker 1: there was a promotion going on where they would give it.
Speaker 1: You get three dime bars for the price of one,
Speaker 1: and I just scoffed them all. And a dime is
Speaker 1: you don't know how much how much sweetness there is
Speaker 1: in a dime. I just like I ripped on her
Speaker 1: and she just took it because she knew she got it.
Speaker 1: She was like, yeah, it's a big twist. None of it,
Speaker 1: neither of us fair. Yeah. Do you are you comfortable
Speaker 1: crying in front of people? Oh? Yeah, I love it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh in front because of films? Yeah, oh yeah, totally. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a sort of equivalent problem to being ashamed of,
Speaker 1: like not having a spicy curry in front of someone.
Speaker 1: See's what I mean, You're you're a brave what you
Speaker 1: told all these stories like I'm a scared weaking, but
Speaker 1: you're crying in front of people. You're saying, I'm not
Speaker 1: watching that scary. One of the toughest guys I've ever met.
Speaker 1: It's just why you go to cinema on your own
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, because I'm gonna have a cry
Speaker 1: they want people seeing. I love going to cinemawause that
Speaker 1: just because I don't have to worry about anyone else's
Speaker 1: opinion of it. Yeah, exactly. I bumped into Brett in
Speaker 1: the in the in the arc light in La and
Speaker 1: I was going to see Black Panther and he was
Speaker 1: going to see whatever was on I think, yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you just come and see this
Speaker 1: with me, and he's like, I mean we get on right,
Speaker 1: and he was like, nope, I'm going on my own.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well, I'm they're going about the
Speaker 1: same time you want to see black but oh yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: I will definitely see that. Didn't we decide we'll see
Speaker 1: it half an hour apart of the meat up after it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did. I don't think that happens. I don't know
Speaker 1: what I think we did. I saw it, I saw
Speaker 1: something else and then we met afterwards. Oh yes we did. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't It was like generally not to avoide you.
Speaker 1: There was a moment where I was like, ouse, I's
Speaker 1: go ahead and I'm just going ahead and see that.
Speaker 1: Though I do like yeah, but suddenly it's like I
Speaker 1: never understood it's not a social thing. I mean, oh,
Speaker 1: I completely agree. By the way, I'm not. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got why you wanted to see it on your own,
Speaker 1: Like I said, like I do it all the time
Speaker 1: for script stuff. And also yeah, I like to go
Speaker 1: and see like three films in a day on my own.
Speaker 1: That's like my perfect day, just back to back. Don't
Speaker 1: need to worry about anyone else's schedule or or I
Speaker 1: just sometimes I'll be like, someone go, I want to
Speaker 1: see that, and I'll just text them what my schedule
Speaker 1: is and be like you com meetly for one of
Speaker 1: them if you want. Because I leave my phone at home,
Speaker 1: do you yeah when I when I do an all
Speaker 1: day because that's the But I mean, I've heard you
Speaker 1: say it on this before. The best thing about being
Speaker 1: in the cinema is it's like this is a time
Speaker 1: for me to have nothing to do with my phone.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd love to have nothing to do in
Speaker 1: my phone, ever, but I'm addicted in one way or another,
Speaker 1: which every every New Year's resolutions past five years has
Speaker 1: been cut it in half of the Paris scissors, but
Speaker 1: I can't. I've started to think that what Twitter is
Speaker 1: is Twitter is the thing that gives us all mental
Speaker 1: health problems, which has resulted in everyone tweeting about mental
Speaker 1: health problems, and then all Twitter now is linked to
Speaker 1: people who use Twitter, writing articles about how the mental
Speaker 1: health is affected by Twitter. Whell it's just this self
Speaker 1: perpetuating machie. I mean I'm weeks away from writing my
Speaker 1: mental health yeah. I mean when I started out, I
Speaker 1: justified it by being like, yeah, I'm only gonna be
Speaker 1: like ronic about it all. And I still am. I
Speaker 1: think about it that. I'm like, it comes to a
Speaker 1: point where you're like, well I am on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the amount of times, Yeah, it comes a time
Speaker 1: where I want to write a sort of every now
Speaker 1: and again, I want to write it earlier than now
Speaker 1: tweet being like oh, sort of like oh, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is great, isn't it? Everyone is saying things on Twitter.
Speaker 1: It's like what are you doing? Yeah? Yeah, it's such
Speaker 1: an embarrassment the whole thing. It's what even what is it?
Speaker 1: I mean trying to explain it to someone like pre
Speaker 1: internet or even pre social media. I remember when it
Speaker 1: first came out, I was like, how is this going
Speaker 1: to I don't get what it is? How is this
Speaker 1: going to catch on? Just saying things quickly just what
Speaker 1: the worst thing about it for me is that it's
Speaker 1: and this is Revance films. I think I think it's
Speaker 1: just completely abolished the idea of the magic of celebrity.
Speaker 1: I know the celebrity isn't like yus thing, but I
Speaker 1: think it sort of was in a way. When I
Speaker 1: was a kid, I remember being like, God, I wonder
Speaker 1: what Matthie Perry's up to right now. And now it's
Speaker 1: like I always know what the people who are my
Speaker 1: heroes are up to, and more often than not, they're
Speaker 1: up to being on Twitter all the fucking time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: That's why I want to ease myself off. It's why
Speaker 1: I sort of like I'm a bit scared to do
Speaker 1: stuff with myself a lot of the time because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I kind of like the idea of I'm just practice
Speaker 1: what I preach. Basically, It's like, if I'm going to
Speaker 1: be on TV, I like the idea of just being
Speaker 1: my characters. Do you know why I change it? I
Speaker 1: used to be like listen. It's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: I thought fuck it and started doing a podcast and
Speaker 1: stuff is because of Kevin Spacey. Because Kevin Spacey used
Speaker 1: to say a lot I think to be the best actor,
Speaker 1: you should have no public profile. You shouldn't do you
Speaker 1: should be a mystery so that people can just see
Speaker 1: you as an actor, and then we found out you
Speaker 1: had a good reason for saying that, Kevin, and they
Speaker 1: made me think that I'm sure, but you're also a
Speaker 1: stand up So yeah, you've been being yourself as a
Speaker 1: performer for a long time. There's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with an actor doing
Speaker 1: it just for my own personal preference. But then I
Speaker 1: really just I enjoyed stuff like this. It's lovely, you know,
Speaker 1: just and I think I've always been obsessed with the
Speaker 1: idea of lists and what are the best restaurants? What
Speaker 1: your favorite restaurants? What are your favorite things? This is
Speaker 1: like the dream. Yeah, we all just need to collect
Speaker 1: our list together and then we can go. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: is the film that most people don't like? It's critically
Speaker 1: not acclaim. People don't like it, but you're like, fuck
Speaker 1: you all. This film is great. Talladega Nights. Okay. I
Speaker 1: don't know why it got any negative press. I think
Speaker 1: it's one of the funniest films ever made. It's like
Speaker 1: it's a sprawling improv a thon, but it is like
Speaker 1: fucking funny, and it's a film where Sasha Baron Cohen's
Speaker 1: like acting. Yeah, I think it's really really good. I
Speaker 1: think he's so good in it, and I think that
Speaker 1: Will Ferrell and John c Riley are like on like
Speaker 1: the height of their career. I think it came it
Speaker 1: was sort of at the point of like saturation in
Speaker 1: terms of, like critically, I think it got negative press
Speaker 1: in terms of like that sort of thing had been
Speaker 1: popular for a bit and then it was time for
Speaker 1: the back press rather than we get back. Yeah, another
Speaker 1: one of these Yeah, like step Brothers didn't do that
Speaker 1: well critically, but it is also so Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: those films aren't like I mean, he Will Farell released
Speaker 1: like however many films about a guy in the public eye.
Speaker 1: It was at the top of his game and I
Speaker 1: felt from grace and then picked back up again. And
Speaker 1: that's sort of fine because they were just platforms for
Speaker 1: his I think he's really good. It's so funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and him and John c Riley has such a great
Speaker 1: have such a great thing going on. Yeah. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: my answer, But it's it's a weird one, isn't it,
Speaker 1: Because it's like, I don't know when nice start is
Speaker 1: knowing about I think we all I think people who
Speaker 1: like films assume that everyone is aware of what the
Speaker 1: critical response to stuff is. Ye, but it's so funny,
Speaker 1: how not the case that is, Like, didn't Vin Diesel
Speaker 1: like make a huge bet that Fast and Furious seven
Speaker 1: was going to win Oscar for Best Film? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: read that. I had a friend who was convinced that
Speaker 1: Taken was considered like one of the all time classics,
Speaker 1: like alongside Shinz's List and stuff like seor Shen Redempshon Taken.
Speaker 1: I remember I was once I was once on a
Speaker 1: I was once on a shoot and I heard some
Speaker 1: essays having a chat and I was eavesdropping, and there
Speaker 1: was one who'd become on the album by essay, I
Speaker 1: mean an extra the modern day, supporting supporting art. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not like a Mexican friend my essay, got your homework. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I heard them having a chat and there was like
Speaker 1: an alpha among them being, well, you know what's going
Speaker 1: to win the Oscar The first film this year, don't you?
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh god, yeah, yeah yeah, what what
Speaker 1: is it? What film this year has had suspense, action, crying, romance,
Speaker 1: comedy graphics is POMPEII. I don't know if you remember POMPEII,
Speaker 1: but it was critically voted the least likely film to
Speaker 1: sort of it like do more than one pound at
Speaker 1: the cinema. It was like, I think it was like
Speaker 1: voted one of the worst films of all time, and
Speaker 1: this guy had seen it and been like crying that right, okay,
Speaker 1: at list to be fair, what you wanted an film
Speaker 1: ten crying drama. I like the idea of yeah, those
Speaker 1: are the genres crying films. Yeah. I think there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of people sort of know what are objectively
Speaker 1: seen it. But there is no objectively good film, I suppose.
Speaker 1: I mean, I try and divide it into just derivative
Speaker 1: and non derivative. I think derivative stuff you can say
Speaker 1: is objectively bad. It's like that is ship because it's
Speaker 1: been done to death and this isn't a good example
Speaker 1: of being done. But I think with actors as well,
Speaker 1: like when people are like their performances fucking shit, I
Speaker 1: hate her, I hate him, Like they didn't do it
Speaker 1: on purpose, They didn't turn up and rub their hands
Speaker 1: to do this shit. Everyone's just trying to you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: God bless him. Yeah, what's the film that you used
Speaker 1: to laugh? You used to laugh it so much and
Speaker 1: you watched it recently and you've got it. Oh dear,
Speaker 1: that does not hold up for me. I don't think
Speaker 1: I have an official proper one for this, because I
Speaker 1: think that the nostalgia that you have for films you
Speaker 1: watched a long time ago tends to stand up because
Speaker 1: you enjoy it. You enjoy it for a different reason.
Speaker 1: I really used to love What Dreams May Come and
Speaker 1: Pat Yeah, not Patch had, but What Doings May Come?
Speaker 1: That was my mom's both room. But I have a
Speaker 1: feeling if I watched it now, I'd be like, this
Speaker 1: is hokum. What Treason May Come was a really badly
Speaker 1: reviewed film at the time, and I think about that
Speaker 1: film a lot in terms of like, what a fucking
Speaker 1: wild it's that film is, and like, yeah, beautiful and
Speaker 1: mad and that's so dark. The story is the man
Speaker 1: dies and then the woman kills herself to be with him,
Speaker 1: and then she said the woman and the kids die,
Speaker 1: don't they Oh? Yeah, they all die. But then someone
Speaker 1: kills himself and he's got going to hell to get
Speaker 1: her back. She kills the kids die, and then she
Speaker 1: kills herself, yeah, because she doesn't want to live without them.
Speaker 1: And then he he dies again, and then he crosses
Speaker 1: heaven to get to Hell to try and get her
Speaker 1: back because you kill yourself. Yeah, and keep a good
Speaker 1: in Junior is in angel and there's like fields of yellow.
Speaker 1: You can jump about him, and he is whatever you
Speaker 1: want it to be. Yeah, I guess it probably was good.
Speaker 1: I just think I just think I loved it so much.
Speaker 1: Was my mum's favorite film, really, and I was like, what, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's got less of a Greek that's going on about her,
Speaker 1: but she Yeah. I think I loved it via her.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, my mum thinks this is brilliant.
Speaker 1: Patch Adams. I just loved Robin Williams in anything he did.
Speaker 1: But I think if I watched Pat Adams now, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, this is schmaltztown. Yeah. I think I found
Speaker 1: Patendians uncomfortable. Yeah, there was something I like a selfie film,
Speaker 1: but I think there's something sort a bit creepy about Pat.
Speaker 1: It's a true story, isn't. Yeah, I think it's a
Speaker 1: bit creepy about the real Patendiens, about a guy who
Speaker 1: started his own hospital with low fees, but he'd be
Speaker 1: a sort of prankster in there. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: love I loved it at the time. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a family favorite for some reason. That's a good answer,
Speaker 1: Pat Adams would not hold up for you. Perhaps you
Speaker 1: shouldn't watch it. I'll tell that My favorite question, What
Speaker 1: is the film that means the most to you? Not
Speaker 1: necessarily the film itself, film that might not even be
Speaker 1: that good, but because of the memory you associate with
Speaker 1: that film. The thing is that this one I haven't
Speaker 1: I haven't actually seen that many times, and I think
Speaker 1: I probably haven't because of this. But Papillon, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: my dad. Yeah, And I think it's because I really
Speaker 1: I probably couldn't even tell you that much about it,
Speaker 1: but it's a rare film in my life that I
Speaker 1: sat with with my dad and we watched all of
Speaker 1: it together and we both went, we I love that
Speaker 1: because we you know, he's a lot older, and he's
Speaker 1: as dads tend to be. We're not the same age. No,
Speaker 1: he's he's you know, he's nearly eighteen now and je
Speaker 1: and he doesn't weirdly doesn't have the best grasp of English.
Speaker 1: Well he know, he does. He speaks fluent English, but
Speaker 1: he's sort of he just has a very Greek sensibility
Speaker 1: and doesn't quite can engage. He doesn't know how to
Speaker 1: engage with something unless someone gets shot in the face
Speaker 1: in the first five minutes basically, and for some reason
Speaker 1: we both just fell in and it's just the sad
Speaker 1: things we can never It's such a love. I love
Speaker 1: film so much, and so is he. Like he will
Speaker 1: just sit and watch Telly all evening, every evening, but
Speaker 1: he will watch Shot just like if it's the worst
Speaker 1: thing ever made. It's officially becomes his favorite film at
Speaker 1: all time. Like he can't. God, actually asking this over
Speaker 1: Christmas and he just couldn't, just didn't give me an answer.
Speaker 1: He was mutely on the bounty. What but that's him remembering.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's like he just watch his FBI
Speaker 1: files like back to back he shot him. Why But
Speaker 1: I tell you what actually I mean. For example, so
Speaker 1: over Christmas, every Christmas we have like a it's such
Speaker 1: a rigmarole finding a film. I mean, hence hence why
Speaker 1: I love to watch this Pappion memory so much. Finding
Speaker 1: a film that we can all sit and watch and
Speaker 1: enjoy and get to the end of and be like
Speaker 1: that was brilliant. It's it's an equation that doesn't bear
Speaker 1: thinking about. For me and Tasha, my sister Natassia Demetrius
Speaker 1: gonna be like watching it be. And this year we went,
Speaker 1: Tash came out which was like murder on the our
Speaker 1: on Express. I'm like, oh my god, perfect murder mystery.
Speaker 1: Everyone get on board that someone gets killed very quickly. Well,
Speaker 1: why he's always as he's always shocked. It's like he
Speaker 1: wants it to happen. There was an express. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean this is about to get very weird the story
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell. So we put it on like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's got murder for Dad, Judy Dench for Mum, she
Speaker 1: loves her, will be like lovely and then and then
Speaker 1: me and Tash, you know it will be like fine,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what we like. Ten minutes in Mum's asleep,
Speaker 1: Tashes on her phone. My dad looks so confused, and
Speaker 1: I'm just not enjoying it because for whatever reason, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, God didn't succeed. And I look over
Speaker 1: to him and I'm like Dad, like so I don't
Speaker 1: want to put him through it. I'm just like you,
Speaker 1: you're not really enjoy it, are you. I don't really
Speaker 1: understand what what's happening if I'm one, they're train? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're on a train. Um, okay, so okay, johny changed
Speaker 1: the channel, is like please, So I I like, look
Speaker 1: around for the remote. I couldn't find the remote. He's
Speaker 1: start watching this thing and I find it eventually, and
Speaker 1: I changed the channel and it we changed the Steven
Speaker 1: Spielberg's BFG so the live action one. And it's like
Speaker 1: the scene where it's like magic, Like he's like in
Speaker 1: his cave holding the little girl sucking a dreamer of
Speaker 1: an arshole whatever happens to that film? Um, and my
Speaker 1: dad's face lights up like a look like oh what
Speaker 1: colors and uh, and he's sort of watching it. And
Speaker 1: after about ten minutes, I can see that the sort
Speaker 1: of light starts to fade. I just like, I just
Speaker 1: like to watch him watching films. The light starts to fade,
Speaker 1: Like what. I'm like, you're right if I'm I'm completely lost,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, what do you want to know? It's like,
Speaker 1: is he a suspect? Is who was suspect that on
Speaker 1: the on the Arience Express? No, this seventy foot giant
Speaker 1: who is just blown a dream through a trumpet into
Speaker 1: a little girl's mouth or something while chewing on a
Speaker 1: cucumber made of worms, who, by the way, we just
Speaker 1: discovered has friends who are eight hundred foot tall. Is
Speaker 1: not a suspect on the Oriented Express. No, But I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what. If he wasn't the Orient Express, I
Speaker 1: know where I'd be pointing. No. So that is why
Speaker 1: I enjoyed Pathion so much, because he got it and
Speaker 1: he knew what was going on, and it was just lovely.
Speaker 1: I mean it's not the only one. There have been
Speaker 1: other ones, but they're a rocky road. Like I used
Speaker 1: to be obsessed with American history X as a kid.
Speaker 1: It was the best thing ever. And I remember showing
Speaker 1: that to him, and until the horrific curve bit, he wasn't.
Speaker 1: As soon as someone does something horrific, he's like, oh fuck.
Speaker 1: It's a combination of like he's incense. But it gets
Speaker 1: him in. It's like someone needs to punch him in
Speaker 1: the face to watch it. I mean, when you watch
Speaker 1: it stuff that I'm in, he's just like, he'll watch
Speaker 1: the wall instead. He makes up stuff that happened and
Speaker 1: staff really well, I'll be like, what's your famie. They'll
Speaker 1: like piss himself laughing because after this things or ship, well,
Speaker 1: I mean it was fit. You're laughing at it as well. Sorry,
Speaker 1: what is the film that you found the sexiest? What's
Speaker 1: the sexiest film? Jamie Actually don't know the answer that one.
Speaker 1: I think that Almost Famous is a very sexy film,
Speaker 1: as in everyone sexy in it, just the whole thing
Speaker 1: of that band being on tour. I remember being devastated
Speaker 1: that I wasn't one of those people in that film,
Speaker 1: annoyed that I wasn't very sexy rock star in the seventies,
Speaker 1: and that weren't I wasn't being dismissive to a journalist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's my hard answer, and I just think
Speaker 1: it's such a good film as well. You thought I
Speaker 1: wish I could see Tiny dance in a bus with
Speaker 1: some other people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah. That scene
Speaker 1: is like you just want to you want to be there,
Speaker 1: don't you? You got that film? Yeah, we want to
Speaker 1: get on that bus. Yeah, I want to get on
Speaker 1: that bus. I want to have jump off a roof.
Speaker 1: I want to jump off a roof. I want to
Speaker 1: be I want to I wanted to be the journalist
Speaker 1: and be ingratiated into their gang accidentally and be able to.
Speaker 1: I just wanted you wanted to leaves the virginity to
Speaker 1: three group piece. No, No, I would have I would
Speaker 1: have wanted something more stable than that. Right, that's that
Speaker 1: part I fast forward it. Yeah, right, good man, the
Speaker 1: genes and all that stuff. That's that's what I wanted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I was like, this is the essence of cool,
Speaker 1: and I want part of it, mate, because it's some
Speaker 1: categories question that sometimes it works, sometimes doesn't. It's called troubling.
Speaker 1: Band is worrying? Why I don't. It's a film that
Speaker 1: you found sexy or rousing and thought maybe I shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Might have been the lanking trailer. I don't think this
Speaker 1: is did you come up with that? It still came
Speaker 1: out and Metcalf. When that Metcalf was because he had
Speaker 1: two answers in one of them was traveling, traveling baner
Speaker 1: and then I stuck with it. And sometimes that's when
Speaker 1: you latched onto it because I think you exclusively have Troubling,
Speaker 1: but every van's traveling. Yeah, I don't think that. I
Speaker 1: don't think that you're I've never had a none yet
Speaker 1: for sure, But I think although I think there is
Speaker 1: something in the idea of there being no known, non
Speaker 1: troubling bonus. So I think if I'm honest, ye, like,
Speaker 1: as a teenager, films like Mean Girls and Mean Girls
Speaker 1: was probably too olst what fifteen or something, and then
Speaker 1: like American Pie and stuff like that, they did have
Speaker 1: a profound effect on me. Like you're like laughing, but
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, she's she's naked. I think
Speaker 1: that is troubling because it's like, it's so I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just it gives you such a warped idea of
Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, I don't know the idea of like
Speaker 1: I don't know that just that whole culture of boys
Speaker 1: being like cheekily watching this girl stripping on a camera
Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, this is cool. It's like horrible,
Speaker 1: it's so weird that sequence now in hindsight, the sequence
Speaker 1: of the film, Yeah, I just think it is. Really
Speaker 1: I think it's troubling retrospectively. I wasn't troubled at the time,
Speaker 1: so I was just like, check out this roller Ghost.
Speaker 1: I'm loving it life teenage years. But yeah, looking back,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god, what was my understanding of anything? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, although you know, with all mine sort
Speaker 1: of sensitiveness. Sensitivity, there is a word for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I probably was quite like, this is not okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: poor girl, and you've never fucked to pay and that's
Speaker 1: fact or a peach. What is the film that you Okay,
Speaker 1: it's a tricky one. What's the gonna be most relate to? Well,
Speaker 1: I haven't actually seen it because I related to it
Speaker 1: so much that I couldn't get through it. And now
Speaker 1: I'm going to start this by saying I think that
Speaker 1: what I'm about to say is very cringe and wanky,
Speaker 1: because I think if anyone else said that, when people
Speaker 1: do say like, oh, it was so affecting that I
Speaker 1: just couldn't. I just couldn't. I just thinking good, And
Speaker 1: it's like someone trying to give themselves an affectation and
Speaker 1: make themselves interesting. Really not the case. I watched Adaptation.
Speaker 1: I had seen it. I watched it as a teenager.
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. I was like thirteen or fourteen
Speaker 1: or whatever, and I was like, right, Okay. Then I
Speaker 1: remember being like I got really into Kaufman. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll get onto this. But sinnexc New York's best film
Speaker 1: ever made in my opinion, Yes, yeah, yeah, but so
Speaker 1: I like, I watched that and I was like, right,
Speaker 1: I've got to rewatch all of Kaufman. And then I
Speaker 1: bought that and I put it on and I watched
Speaker 1: the first ten minutes and where he's having his into
Speaker 1: a dialogue, and I related to it so much that
Speaker 1: I breaked out and not related to it like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, they're thinking my thoughts. I was like, it's
Speaker 1: really uncomfortable to hear the things that make me anxious
Speaker 1: out loud and remind me of them. I was like,
Speaker 1: I found it horrific. Yeah, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not why to put myself through this. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like I like, I'm going to be very clear about this.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like a like a oh my god, no.
Speaker 1: It was really just like, ah, shut up, shut up,
Speaker 1: hut no, no, no no, no, no, I'm not having no way,
Speaker 1: no way. Why wouldn't know. It's like, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear them out loud in my head. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a very great adaptation. I totally get that.
Speaker 1: But it's also I think it's so there is a thing.
Speaker 1: The reason you're uncomfortable with it is because he's doing
Speaker 1: the brave version of this is what it's like to
Speaker 1: be right, Like, I think this sort of funniest thing.
Speaker 1: And I even hate to even say this myself, like
Speaker 1: I understand it. But he sits down to write and
Speaker 1: he has a whank, and then he goes back to
Speaker 1: write and then he has a whank, and it's like
Speaker 1: that is brave to say that that is your writing process.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. I mean there's
Speaker 1: the only thing that doesn't happen in the writing process
Speaker 1: is writing. Yeah, I've done everything in the world during
Speaker 1: the writing process. I like, bought a country, got married. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you like you will do anything like I remember, like
Speaker 1: color coordinating my shirts and the cubos. I mean that's
Speaker 1: not even the maddest thing. Yeah, anyway, it's I remember
Speaker 1: those things from when I saw it as a teenager.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I've never watched it because I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like you reset at like eighteen, and so you
Speaker 1: could watch all the films you've watched before you're eighteen,
Speaker 1: and it would be a new experience because I mean
Speaker 1: I watched Missus Doubtfire over Christmas, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: holds up, holds up so well, it's incredible I mean
Speaker 1: there's I'm there are some troubling things like as far
Speaker 1: as like you got this guy's a dressed as a
Speaker 1: cheek at right, that's crazy kind of thing, like why
Speaker 1: would anyone do that? You know? But I just think
Speaker 1: it's a sort of classic family thing. Is the structurally
Speaker 1: and communically brilliant. But I understood like seventy jokes that
Speaker 1: I didn't, Right, Okay, So I think we're about to
Speaker 1: get to it, right, what is objectively the greatest film
Speaker 1: ever made? Right? It's difficult to separate your favorite and
Speaker 1: the greatest some people find it. If some people find it,
Speaker 1: isn't what I sort of mean by this is, for example,
Speaker 1: you mentioned like Sinder's List. Some people might say Sinder's
Speaker 1: greatest film, but I'd be surprised if it was your favorite, right,
Speaker 1: because you're not going, let's course of course. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that my favorite is definitely snectically New York. That
Speaker 1: is like, right, so you've answered that question, your favorite
Speaker 1: New York, which I fucking love. Yeah, I've watched it
Speaker 1: maybe forty times. Yeah, I just I can't because you know,
Speaker 1: people like, oh, it's very layered about films. It's literally
Speaker 1: layered in the sense that there are things like going
Speaker 1: on in the corner of the screen that are hot
Speaker 1: that add a whole not like thematic like narrative, like
Speaker 1: stuff going on that adds to the narrative, like you
Speaker 1: work out. But the guy's been watching him the whole time,
Speaker 1: he's been studying him, and that the first scene is
Speaker 1: three months. You know that the opening breakfast scene takes
Speaker 1: place over three months. You know, if you were right,
Speaker 1: what's her forty own times the beginning scene of him
Speaker 1: getting up and getting ready for working, then if you like,
Speaker 1: pay attention to what's happening on the news on the telly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's time is past my god. Yeah, well there you go.
Speaker 1: No you're not. I didn't. I did. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think I read that and then watch it was like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck. But it's just unbelievable. I just I just
Speaker 1: think that everything about it, the way it's the perfect
Speaker 1: depiction of anxiety. Yeah, it's it's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: how he did it, just it's so big. But I
Speaker 1: went to a talk with him. Yeah, we didn't go
Speaker 1: together to watch a talk Charlie Kaufman. I went to
Speaker 1: see him talk after a Q and A after a
Speaker 1: normally sa yeah, and people were asking about it and
Speaker 1: he's so. I think he's very proud of it. It's
Speaker 1: the only film that he directed, wrote, but he said
Speaker 1: that he feels like he's sort of fucked the independent
Speaker 1: film industry with it because it was a rare because
Speaker 1: he'd become a rare sort of household name, a subversive
Speaker 1: independent filmmaker, and finances were like, let's as an experiment,
Speaker 1: let's fund the shit out of this Charlie Calthton film
Speaker 1: and see how it doesn't box office, because you know,
Speaker 1: with Eternal Sunshine and all that stuff, you know, he's
Speaker 1: starting to become a real He's a reason why people
Speaker 1: will go and see the film, which is so rare
Speaker 1: with a writer or a director in the grand scheme
Speaker 1: of things. And it came out and it was the
Speaker 1: masterpiece that it should have been, but I think, like,
Speaker 1: no one wins to see it. Yeah, I mean, for
Speaker 1: a start, it was called senect Key New York title
Speaker 1: was this mistake And the length it's off putting. That's
Speaker 1: three hours of one God, but imagine if it was shorter.
Speaker 1: It is just yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just I'm so
Speaker 1: intimidated and in awe of it. And also there's something
Speaker 1: about it. I was telling with someone there, you know
Speaker 1: this about it. You must not this because you're obsessed
Speaker 1: with it. That it started from I don't know who
Speaker 1: the producer was, but some producer wanted to do like
Speaker 1: a horror right, yeah, and they went him and said,
Speaker 1: what would you do with the horror film? And that's
Speaker 1: what he Yeah, there's a little passage about that in
Speaker 1: this and there's there's the script book of it. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it makes complete sense as its fear of death
Speaker 1: and illness and completely and being lonely. Yeah, and just
Speaker 1: like and again such a huge influence for me, Like
Speaker 1: it's that my thing is like a put It is
Speaker 1: like a cross between that and like a horror film.
Speaker 1: But that because I made that short. Yeah, not sort
Speaker 1: of boring talking about my own stuff, but just like
Speaker 1: how much of an effect it has. And it's funny.
Speaker 1: It was Sky Horror shorts. That's why I made that thing.
Speaker 1: And my understanding of what a horror thing is is
Speaker 1: something that just makes you feel sick with how like
Speaker 1: horrible a crisis the person is going through and the
Speaker 1: thing that's so no, no, that's what you will hear
Speaker 1: for is that he his whole the whole film, he's
Speaker 1: obsessed with I'm ill, I'm dying. I'm ill, I'm dying.
Speaker 1: I must have cancer. I must have And in fact,
Speaker 1: he outlives everyone in the whole film, every single person
Speaker 1: that he cares, but he is elder than them, and
Speaker 1: they all die and he was never ill. He actually
Speaker 1: was incredibly well, but he could never. The whole film
Speaker 1: is it's attempt to live in the moment and be
Speaker 1: present and be happy and be Yeah, God, it's fucking brilliant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I think I don't know. I sort of didn't
Speaker 1: want to give that as my answer because I think
Speaker 1: it's it feels pretentious to say. I think because of
Speaker 1: the title, I think that there's contenders, Like I think
Speaker 1: the City of God and Redemption, Yeah, two of the best.
Speaker 1: Like when I think of like the perfect like Hollywood film,
Speaker 1: the Shortshank Redemption, Yeah, But when I think of like
Speaker 1: the best story told, like when again do you think
Speaker 1: about vastness and like a world, I think The City
Speaker 1: of God is like, yeah, a phenomenal bit of work.
Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous how much time it covers and how
Speaker 1: many great characters there are in it, and the way
Speaker 1: the narrative is so fractured but hangs together like nothing
Speaker 1: else is amazing. That was my one I carried around
Speaker 1: with me as a teenage to be like, fucking watch this, mate,
Speaker 1: this is fucking cool, which makes me cool because because
Speaker 1: I'm holding it, you still like I. I think people
Speaker 1: people always aligned themselves with stuff like that, especially as
Speaker 1: a teenagers. When you like a band, it's like you
Speaker 1: never guess who are like the Strokes. Therefore you said
Speaker 1: it everyone together. He's cool. He technically made that music
Speaker 1: because he likes it. Yeah, I saw Reservoir Dogs. You've
Speaker 1: seen it. That That was me. It's cool you just
Speaker 1: that sentence. I saw Reservoir Dogs at midnight at midnight.
Speaker 1: That was your answer to when they called your name
Speaker 1: in the register. David, Yeah, Peter, yeah, Brett. I still
Speaker 1: Reservoir Dogs at midnight. One else. So that's really good answer.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to because I fucking loved that film
Speaker 1: and i'voiced it a lot, and it isn't it's not easy,
Speaker 1: but I think what probably way it might be definitely
Speaker 1: a contender for greats. You're right, this fucking so much
Speaker 1: in it. You could watch it on your times, and
Speaker 1: there's more and more performances as well. Yeah, and Diane
Speaker 1: Law at least. Yeah, I mean Samantha Morton as well. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I always love seen I always loved seeing the British
Speaker 1: person and that. Yeah, something that cool. And there's a
Speaker 1: wonderful running sort of weird joke that they go looking
Speaker 1: for apartments in his stage shows around it has it
Speaker 1: some fire you guys, do you have any questions? Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm slightly worried about the fire. I'm so, I'm slightly
Speaker 1: worried I might die on the fire. Yeah, there's that
Speaker 1: bit that's so funny. They're in therapy philipsy Moore Hoffman
Speaker 1: and Katherine Thingy. She's like, I want to be completely
Speaker 1: honest with him, and she's like, I just can't stop
Speaker 1: thinking about like somethings. She says something like I just
Speaker 1: find myself really frequently fantasizing about your dying. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: the therapist is like, and how does that make you feel?
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, so bad. Yeah, And there's a line
Speaker 1: in it and I forget that that's but it's from
Speaker 1: that I think about or maybe every day, and I
Speaker 1: always worry that this is what relationships are that. There's
Speaker 1: a scene quite alien where he and his wife are
Speaker 1: sort of having a chat and he says that like
Speaker 1: do you not love me anymore? Or something like that,
Speaker 1: and she says, you know, it's not your fault. Everyone's disappointing.
Speaker 1: Wants to get to know them. Oh, yeah, everyone's disappointing.
Speaker 1: Wents you get to know them? And how true? Though? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so true. Do you always think about that? I
Speaker 1: was talking to someone about that someone was I was
Speaker 1: out with someone else though, was saying that about historical
Speaker 1: figures you could reconstruct, like every hero probably was doing
Speaker 1: something a bit dodgy apart I have. I don't do
Speaker 1: anything anything, do nothing to avoid doing anything bad. Don't
Speaker 1: like to be negative on this. What's the worst film
Speaker 1: ever made? With this answer, I will just spring to
Speaker 1: the first thing that springs of mine, and I also
Speaker 1: I won't say my honest answer for it. I'll say
Speaker 1: my worst experience of watching a film. Okay, when I
Speaker 1: was in Cyprus, I went I went on hold Cyprus
Speaker 1: with my sister Yea, and my dad palmed me off
Speaker 1: on a cousin of mine. One evening he's like God, God,
Speaker 1: and the one cinema in Cyprus when my friends, when
Speaker 1: people ask me from Cyprus, oh, where does all my
Speaker 1: dad used to live there? And go where does your
Speaker 1: dad live in Cyprus? I go near the cinema the
Speaker 1: whole of Cyprus anyway. So my dad was like, go
Speaker 1: ahead this even he didn't have to take you out.
Speaker 1: This an odd guy. Let's go. And we're in the
Speaker 1: car and the way they goes, what do you want
Speaker 1: to see? Then we're like, oh, God, I don't know
Speaker 1: what's on. He goes, the one is that you've seen
Speaker 1: in three three as a film called three. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's six? Right? What cinema? We are we going to?
Speaker 1: Like a cubist cinema. I don't even know what I
Speaker 1: mean by that, but I don't know. And then we
Speaker 1: got to the cinema and on the posters they're just
Speaker 1: massive numbers over the films. Wow, there's and we overheard
Speaker 1: like loads of green people. I don't need three years,
Speaker 1: but anyway, have you seen one? And uh? And there
Speaker 1: are all these things I like, I remember it's like
Speaker 1: my super ex girlfriend and Pirates of the Caribbean two
Speaker 1: or something. And we went out to the thing and
Speaker 1: my cousins before we'd even had a chance. He's at
Speaker 1: the till going four Three Things before Please, which was
Speaker 1: the Lake House start, and it's about time traveling two
Speaker 1: people who live in the house about a hundred years
Speaker 1: apart or something, and they find that they can send
Speaker 1: each other love letters. And it was so boring and
Speaker 1: ship It's just like nothing, like just something I would
Speaker 1: never even you know, there are certain shots that you
Speaker 1: near your house, that you passed for fifteen years. You
Speaker 1: just would never even know they exist unless someone was like,
Speaker 1: look at that now, Like it's just a film that
Speaker 1: I would never even knew. It would have just come
Speaker 1: and gone. I would never have known. But somehow I
Speaker 1: was sat in there watching it and my cousin left
Speaker 1: after twenty minutes. You just go little coffee, doesn't want coffee.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you didn't have for a coffee. I know
Speaker 1: there's not a coffee shop in the cinema, so you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to go to the shop. During number four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he goes for coffee, doesn't come back for an
Speaker 1: hour and ten minutes, and then he comes back and
Speaker 1: I'd like been trying to make myself go to sleep
Speaker 1: because I was so bored. And he comes back and
Speaker 1: he goes, what did I think? And I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: the worst one I've ever seen. He goes, I think
Speaker 1: it's quite good. And then when he dropped us off,
Speaker 1: he didn't drop us off as at our house. He
Speaker 1: dropped us off on the motorway, just opened the door
Speaker 1: and went okay now. And then he went, hey, do
Speaker 1: you like Fish? And I went not really no, and
Speaker 1: he drove away. It would be never so on him.
Speaker 1: I did just crashed his car into a wall. If
Speaker 1: you like fish? What is the film that you could
Speaker 1: you could or have? What's the mazed over and over again?
Speaker 1: Might have watched over and over again. It's probably something
Speaker 1: like Speed when I was a kid chaining it. But
Speaker 1: I don't think I could do that over and over
Speaker 1: again now, Inglorious Bastards things to mind. I just think
Speaker 1: Tarantino is There's some questionable stuff floating around about him,
Speaker 1: but I just I think that he is a stamp
Speaker 1: of quality to me, if he's got I just love
Speaker 1: everything he's ever made so much, and I think Inglorious
Speaker 1: Bastards is the height of that. I just think that
Speaker 1: if a film has quality dialogue, the whole way through,
Speaker 1: which is what defines his films, I think, more so
Speaker 1: than the blood and stuff. I think that it's just
Speaker 1: his very unique thing that no one else does, and
Speaker 1: it's like it's people can try and imitate it, but
Speaker 1: it will never be dampened because you can't imitate it
Speaker 1: because it just it's just him that does it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: inglorious bastards. To me, it's just yeah, yeah, point of
Speaker 1: making a good dialogue I think doesn't get old. I
Speaker 1: think if the film is reliant on plots being shocking throughout,
Speaker 1: you can get bored because when you watch it again
Speaker 1: as we're not shocked by it anymore. But it's the
Speaker 1: dialogue holds up the whole way through, like and yeah,
Speaker 1: he's very maskerful with that. I just think that also
Speaker 1: a unique take on war is welcome. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: it's sad, it's crap, and I always worry about the
Speaker 1: morality of benefiting off of that stuff, but I guess
Speaker 1: the whole redemption aspect of it is quite refreshing and questionable. Yeah, yeah, questionable,
Speaker 1: but it's really in a way in the end, I
Speaker 1: think I don't know about how I feel about it.
Speaker 1: In I guess it's kind of silly, but it's also
Speaker 1: as a film, it's really satisfying to see Hitler get
Speaker 1: killed and it's a really like yeah, and maybe that's
Speaker 1: very bad. I don't know the sort of ethics of
Speaker 1: doing that, but I would be lying if I didn't
Speaker 1: find it a really exciting Yeah. I think if in
Speaker 1: my heart, if I'm completely honest, I'm like, well, why
Speaker 1: not have an examful of that? Yeah? Yeah, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, I got enough father, right,
Speaker 1: It's like it's galvanizing and in the way it worked
Speaker 1: as a twist because you are watching the film game,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna go away and it doesn't, and
Speaker 1: it's a real twist. You go, I wouldn't expected that
Speaker 1: because what happened in real life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, completely,
Speaker 1: I think that's yeah. But then that but what that
Speaker 1: does is it it stamped it, like solidifies it as like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is complete fiction. Yeah, don't worry about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then there's all you know, there are so many
Speaker 1: there are so many that have that the repeat watch
Speaker 1: quality about them. I don't know what it is that
Speaker 1: makes a film that I think the dialogue maybe really
Speaker 1: good We're Huntings one I just can't get enough of.
Speaker 1: I love that film. I think I just find Matt
Speaker 1: Damon very satisfying in it, just as a man, just
Speaker 1: like looking at him in it satisfying. Fellow. Yeah, good
Speaker 1: Fellows is one st New Yorker. What's a billion times? Yeah? Great?
Speaker 1: What is you know? You're in comedy. You're very funny,
Speaker 1: you make funny, staff Man, what's the funny? The most?
Speaker 1: I just think it's so rare that that ever happens.
Speaker 1: I just don't love many comedy films. I think that
Speaker 1: the most I'd laugh in the film is we Came Together. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like that. I think it's it's
Speaker 1: in a completely different it's almost not a film because
Speaker 1: it's such a parody, like it's like the sort of
Speaker 1: it's sort of an equivalence like scary movie or something
Speaker 1: as far as like it's like a Hybrusco movie exactly that.
Speaker 1: To me, it's like it feels like it's only just
Speaker 1: a film. It's basically just a long sketch. But I
Speaker 1: think it's also because I smoked weed the night that
Speaker 1: I watched it, and I hadn't done for like two
Speaker 1: years and I just had the best time, and I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily always pressed myself laughing. I don't remember always
Speaker 1: finding films really funny when that was the case, but
Speaker 1: I was like, at the time, I felt like it
Speaker 1: was the funniest thing I'd ever seen in my life,
Speaker 1: and that memory, I haven't seen it since. So that
Speaker 1: and I think super Bad is pretty amazing. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it has repeat value, but I think
Speaker 1: it stands up. I just think Michael Sarah and Jonah
Speaker 1: Hill's chemistry is lovely and there's so at the time,
Speaker 1: I think it was such a unique voice that I
Speaker 1: think has been done enough now that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, So I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I have the answers to that. I think
Speaker 1: we came together. Stating is a great answer. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think I love like, there are so many
Speaker 1: comedy films that I love. I don't find that funny,
Speaker 1: like all of Michael wins Bottom and Steve Coogan stuff.
Speaker 1: I think it's incredible. Twenty four Our Party People is perfect.
Speaker 1: I love a cock and ball story. Yeah, anchor man,
Speaker 1: I think it's genius to tell the bigod Night stepbrothers
Speaker 1: all great stuff, but I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: Chuck all my head off. That's okay, appreciate your honesty.
Speaker 1: You're in comedy, You're miserable. You've been a wonderful guest. Thanks. Now,
Speaker 1: when you popped outside to check on that hallablly that
Speaker 1: was caused by a tweet and everyone's whacking around and
Speaker 1: you got head when you got nicked on the head
Speaker 1: and you've heard the floor, they just no one even notice.
Speaker 1: They carried on whacking around and your body got sliced
Speaker 1: into hundreds of bits, splattered all over the street, right
Speaker 1: but now one it was like it looked like you
Speaker 1: know the tomato throwing thing that they do in Spain,
Speaker 1: and no one even noticed. Splats bats And when finally
Speaker 1: the personally said that original tweet did a video apology
Speaker 1: where they said, I'm so sorry I did that tweet.
Speaker 1: I don't they found out what happened to me. Then
Speaker 1: no one knew you were dead yet they just said
Speaker 1: I'm sorry did that tweet them? So of course that's
Speaker 1: a hubbub. I don't mean what I said. I appreciate
Speaker 1: that I've offended everyone, and I now understand my accidents
Speaker 1: have consequences and words her people, and I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: And then there was a few more essays, some saying
Speaker 1: that apology wasn't enough, some say that play wasn't good.
Speaker 1: About a couple of weeks pass and then something else
Speaker 1: having everyone forgot about it. When everyone finally calmed down
Speaker 1: about that and moved on to the next thing, they
Speaker 1: looked out in the street and your body was fucking
Speaker 1: not only splattered, but they already started writing are you joking?
Speaker 1: It was all It was quite bad. And because I
Speaker 1: was like, where's Jamie. We haven't seen him in a while, right,
Speaker 1: And we knocked on your door and your flatmate was
Speaker 1: watching Fantom Fred again and said he said, I put
Speaker 1: Fantom Fread on because I thought it would like draw
Speaker 1: him back in, but he's not come back. And then
Speaker 1: I was like, you see that bit on like the doorstop.
Speaker 1: It's got his eyebrow. Because I've got my it looks
Speaker 1: like one of my eyebrows, but I've got both of
Speaker 1: my nose, so I knew it was yours. And then
Speaker 1: we found bits of you all over anyway, right, We
Speaker 1: basically all of that scrape up bits of you from
Speaker 1: all over the street, and then some people found it
Speaker 1: in their hair from the hubbub and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So there's ship everywhere. I'll be honest, you riffing all this.
Speaker 1: It's not just it's not just yet. It's bits of
Speaker 1: like pebble bits. Some of it went in the bin.
Speaker 1: There's a bit of dog shit. I'm sorry, but you
Speaker 1: know they were the bridge and anyway, we scraped it
Speaker 1: all together, bits of you, but it's a dog shit,
Speaker 1: bits of hedge, some post sorts of mulch leaves because
Speaker 1: it was autumn. Anyway, we run to pack you into
Speaker 1: the coffin, but unfortunately because of all the extra stuff
Speaker 1: that was by the way, it's just stuff that was
Speaker 1: stuck to you. It's absolutely Rammo. It's Rammo in the coffin.
Speaker 1: There's no room in there, like let me go to Heaven.
Speaker 1: There's don't see room in there for one DVD. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to slip it in the side and take
Speaker 1: it with you. And on the other side, there's a
Speaker 1: movie night every night and one night it's your movie night.
Speaker 1: What film are you going to take to everyone? I
Speaker 1: was going to say this is England because I love
Speaker 1: it so much and it's a big influencer style wise
Speaker 1: for the stuff I'd like to try and make, but
Speaker 1: a bit bleak, yeah, bit to heaven. So I thought,
Speaker 1: what is is a toss up with you? And they're
Speaker 1: both docks because I think that documentaries and the more
Speaker 1: and more upliftings they actually mean something, and it's between Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I was going to say nothing like a dame,
Speaker 1: but not that, because that's about life, not about death.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean anything. Minds are his next goal wins.
Speaker 1: We've seen that. It's a documentary about the worst international
Speaker 1: football team in the world. Our next goal wins, I thought, said,
Speaker 1: next girl wins. Yes, yes, next goin, next goal wins. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That I watched, and then I watched again, and I
Speaker 1: watched again. I watched it three times in a row.
Speaker 1: It was just so uphoric and it's funny and charming
Speaker 1: and brilliant, and I think that it's not necessarily something
Speaker 1: that everyone's watched. You're the first person to take a
Speaker 1: documentary what a guy? Well, I'm not if you know,
Speaker 1: I like, but I'm not. I think that that is
Speaker 1: what everyone's going to be wanting in heaven because it's
Speaker 1: in line with the heavenly qualities. It's a great answer.
Speaker 1: And I think in a way that religion didn't take
Speaker 1: a film about anxiety and death that you ye next
Speaker 1: to New York is being left on for everyone to treasure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he now got to having that. I didn't need
Speaker 1: that didn't need of anxiety. But nothing like a Dame
Speaker 1: is very good. That's the actors it's about. Yeah, Maggie
Speaker 1: Smith everywhere, y yeah, yeah, that's brilliantly well. Jamie Dmitri,
Speaker 1: what an absolutely joy you've been. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I think you're fine from the feedback you get from this,
Speaker 1: that you should be yourself more often. It's not so bad.
Speaker 1: It's a shame you died on the day you found
Speaker 1: that out. Thank you for coming enjoying seven Heaven. Is
Speaker 1: there anything you need to plug or say before you go, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm going to the parb it a bit. He's going
Speaker 1: to if anyone wants to. Actually not really, isn't He's
Speaker 1: going to watch again? Yes, please, thank you for being here,
Speaker 1: and good day to you. Goodbye. So that was the
Speaker 1: end of the episodes that have been the rewind classics
Speaker 1: for now, what's a classic? Wasn't it a classic? Though?
Speaker 1: To mean it was a classic anyway, wasn't it anyway?
Speaker 1: Jamie Dimitrio, what a funny boy. Watch all this stuff.
Speaker 1: He's fucking brilliant, you know that. Thank you everyone for listening.
Speaker 1: Thank you to scrubious piping to distracts some pieces Network,
Speaker 1: Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it, thanks to a
Speaker 1: gas rising it, and wishes for the graphics and least
Speaker 1: a live them for the photography. Come and join me
Speaker 1: next week for a new episode of Films to be
Speaker 1: Buried with. But in the meantime, have a lovely week,
Speaker 1: and please, now more than ever, be excellent to each other.