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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant Chucker's Chuck tran Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just spice it up a little bit with some

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Speaker 1: multiple stuff. Uh. And no one else is here with us.

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Speaker 1: We're we're alone out there in the ether, um, and

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Speaker 1: this is stuff you should know. Although my prediction is, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, we started recording a bit early today since

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Speaker 1: we're on our own. I bet guest producer Dave and

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Speaker 1: short stuff producer Dave was going to chime in about

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Speaker 1: five minutes. Okay, yeah, well look forward to hearing what

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Speaker 1: he says. Uh, what's your deal with karaoke? I sort

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Speaker 1: of know, but I think that people should know. We should,

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Speaker 1: we should, we should exchange stories. Okay. I like karaoke. Um.

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Speaker 1: I particularly like karaoke in the K Box, which we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about, which is basically it's a little private karaoke

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Speaker 1: room for you and your friends. Have some great memories

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Speaker 1: um of karaoke like that. Um. But I'll do it

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Speaker 1: in front of an audience if I get a drink

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Speaker 1: or two in me, you know, not too much. Though

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Speaker 1: you go too much, you start trying to, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: fight the piano player or something like that. Uh. Oh,

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Speaker 1: so like live karaoke. Yeah, I've mentioned it a couple

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Speaker 1: of times, but Sig Gold's Request Room in Manhattan is

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Speaker 1: the place to go for live piano karaoke. Um. It's

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Speaker 1: just a beautiful, wonderful place. So if you haven't been there,

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Speaker 1: go check it out. It's great, about as good as

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Speaker 1: live karaoke gets, like live instrument karaoke. Alright, so I

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Speaker 1: haven't been there. I will go still, I forget you know,

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Speaker 1: I thought you would have gone this past year. Right,

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Speaker 1: I haven't been there, never been in a k box,

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Speaker 1: um no, never had the private kerrie. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: we'll pronounce it karaoke even though it's kr a okay,

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Speaker 1: cut out, okay, cut it okay, But we're not gonna

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Speaker 1: do that. We're not because I think Dave Ruse helps

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Speaker 1: us out. He's like, you can pronounce it correctly, but

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Speaker 1: don't be expected to be invited out to karaoke night

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Speaker 1: with your friends anymore, right after you practice your kata

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Speaker 1: te right exactly. Uh so I um have done live

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Speaker 1: karaoke a few years ago on my birthday. We went

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Speaker 1: to the um, the one that has the rock band

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Speaker 1: in the Virginia Highlands. I don't know that one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean they have the full on band. It's rock

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Speaker 1: and roll live karaoke. Uh. One of the local Atlanta

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Speaker 1: DJ's English Nick is there to serve as um sort

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Speaker 1: of a backup singer, and they can mix his vocals

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Speaker 1: and more if you're really bad, because no one wants

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Speaker 1: to hear that kind of thing. But I get up

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Speaker 1: there and did Surrender by cheap Trick and he uh.

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Speaker 1: I saw him at one point even stand away from

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Speaker 1: He he like went and did something else. I maybe

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Speaker 1: ate some corns tips or something, a tip of the cap.

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Speaker 1: But my deal with Karrie Karie okay, is I used

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Speaker 1: to be scared to death to try it, and that

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Speaker 1: I completely got over because now I'm in a band

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Speaker 1: that sings in front of people. You and I get

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Speaker 1: nervous to do like an acoustic open mic thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you should be for a number of reasons. But uh,

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Speaker 1: it's just funny how I used to be so scared

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Speaker 1: I really want to do it, but I won't put

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Speaker 1: and I sing better than a lot of these people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a great feeling to to, you know, be done

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Speaker 1: no idea you could do that. That's really impressive. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: feeling it and was like, I had forgotten how high

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Speaker 1: Oh it keeps going up. That's a that's a real

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Speaker 1: karaoke problem. And actually I saw a check that if

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Speaker 1: you do that enough times you can get what it's

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Speaker 1: called karaoke polyps, which are really Yeah, it's basically like

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Speaker 1: polyps that grow on your vocal cords from straining your

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Speaker 1: vocal cords by trying to sing like a professional without

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Speaker 1: deadly dangerous. Maybe not the deadly part, but it can

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Speaker 1: be dangerous. Yeah, And I used to do the mental

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Speaker 1: gymnastics of kind of like stepping outside and going through

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Speaker 1: the song mentally real quick. Yeah, yeah, can I hit

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Speaker 1: the parts for sure? For sure? And you should, I think,

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Speaker 1: just as a responsible karaoke singer, you kind of do

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Speaker 1: need to make sure that you can sing the song, because, yeah,

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Speaker 1: bad karaoke performance. But the point of karaoke is to

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Speaker 1: roof off the suckers is kind of my personal motto

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Speaker 1: I've had sometimes where I've seen some performances at the

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Speaker 1: live karaoke thing. There was this country guy that clearly

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Speaker 1: and he had a cowboy head on and he did

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Speaker 1: probably get beat up at his town if he tried

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Speaker 1: like being anonymous too kind of enables that karaoke Gusto,

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Speaker 1: good reason for that because karate karta ta means empty

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Speaker 1: So instead of orchestra, it's okaya and kata so it

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Speaker 1: And that's really what car karaoke. Kata okay is. It's

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Speaker 1: it's slang for empty orchestra, and it actually predates the

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Speaker 1: So there was this idea that anytime you had prerecorded music,

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Speaker 1: where a live performer would play, UM, that that was

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Speaker 1: karaoke kata okay um. So it was kind of a

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Speaker 1: handy term that a guy named Desca in a way

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Speaker 1: idea of who invented karaoke who came up with it

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Speaker 1: But yeah, his story is great. He's a if you

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Speaker 1: look him up a picture, he's a pretty cool looking customer.

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Speaker 1: And in Osaka in the fifties, he was in high

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Speaker 1: his late twenties, living with his parents in Kobe. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is voice Hero to look that up. It's a really

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Speaker 1: he's just a charming guy. Um. But he he tried

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Speaker 1: this really particularly good spot for karaoke to begin, which

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Speaker 1: um where the very famous Kobe beef comes from. And

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Speaker 1: there was a popular pastime of singalongs, which is basically

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Speaker 1: like you go to a bar a snack is what

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Speaker 1: they were called, and there'd be somebody playing a piano

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Speaker 1: or a guitar or something like that, and everybody would sing,

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Speaker 1: not like a single person either delighting or embarrassing themselves. Um.

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Speaker 1: But he got into this scene a little bit and

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Speaker 1: it was clearly a popular thing. So he's like, I'm

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Speaker 1: then started performing as the accompaniments, accompaniments, accompaniment. I think

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Speaker 1: that's the Latin plural accompaniments accompany down what's the word

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Speaker 1: for the person the accompanist? Accompany is accompany minimust empotymus.

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Speaker 1: None of these sound right, it's accompany list Okay, that

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Speaker 1: who knows about that. But he's also very frequently cited

425
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: as an inventor of karaoke incorrectly. UM. And then there's

426
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: another guy too, who will meet Actually, let's meet him

427
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: right now. There's a guy named um k T kag

428
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: Come on, so ka uh is a He was a

429
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: Japanese businessman who happened to manufacture um karaoke machines and

430
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 1: the reason that he's frequently cited as the inventor of

431
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 1: karaokes because he and another guy named Earl Glick are

432
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: the two men who introduced karaoke to the West through

433
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: a machine debuting in two called the Singing Machine. Yeah,

434
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 1: and we should say that. Uh. You know, Dave, one

435
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: of our great writers, helped us put this together and

436
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: he got a lot of this stuff from this point

437
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: forward from a book by a man named Brian Raftery

438
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: called it Don't Stop Believing Colin How karaoke conquered the

439
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: World and changed My life. And I think this is

440
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: kind of one of the seminal books on karia. That's

441
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: the impression I have as well. Um, but you know

442
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: it came to America, like you said, it had been

443
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: spreading throughout Japan and obviously with international business travel in

444
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: international travel period, it's the kind of thing that eventually

445
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: made its way to the States. And uh, this film producer,

446
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: producer of Children of the Corn was, Yeah, that's sort

447
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: of his most most noteworthy movie because I mean, well

448
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: he respect he was, Yeah, I mean I had respect

449
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: for him, just being the head of how Roach Studios.

450
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: How Roach Studios were responsible for Laurel and Hardy and

451
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: our gang, the Little Rascals, but by the time Earl

452
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: Glick was presiding over it, it was like basically teetering

453
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: on bankruptcy and resting on its Laurels had no idea

454
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: that he produced children of the Corn. So, yeah, mad

455
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: respect to Earl Glick. So in nineteen eighty and again

456
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: this is a great story. I hope it really went

457
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: this way. He was on a cruise ship and he

458
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: was playing blackjack, ran out of dough and needed to

459
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: double down and needed more money because he had a

460
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: great hand apparently, and there was like you said, a

461
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: man named is it Kai or k k which is

462
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: short for Kiso Kisu, so k is nearby. He said,

463
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: here's three three large I can cover you on. That

464
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: gave him three grand glick one and obviously that formed

465
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: a friendship. He was like, you're you're a great guy

466
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: just to give me three thousand dollars like yeah, and

467
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: and k was like, you're a great guy to pay

468
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: me back exactly, And they they bonded there on the

469
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: cruise ship and when they hit Tokyo and docked. Uh.

470
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: Takagi took Mr Glick back to his office, said, Hey,

471
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: look at this karaoke thing. It's pretty great. You should

472
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: get these going in the States. And Click was like,

473
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: and I'm not so sure about this, but Takagi was

474
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: not to be deterred, and over the next year would

475
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: kind of send him sales figures to the point where

476
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: Click was like, hey, there's some real money to be

477
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: made here. Yeah, so so, I mean, at least in Japan.

478
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: By this time, karaoke had been like a huge since

479
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 1: station in Japan for a full decade, like it changed

480
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: the culture. Um Deska in a way basically points to

481
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: the invention of karaoke as like giving like all of

482
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: these intensely overworked Japanese office workers a way to like

483
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: blow off steam and like just feel better about themselves

484
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: that they otherwise didn't have. So it really took off

485
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: in Japan, but it was questionable whether it was going

486
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: to take off in America. So it wasn't like a

487
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: given thing that just because the sales figures were high

488
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: in Japan that they were going to translate into America.

489
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: And at first, actually that is how it went. When

490
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: they came up with the singing Machine in two Um.

491
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: Apparently kay Takagi would demonstrated on the street and get

492
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: booed um because, as he recounted later, it seemed like

493
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: the American public like took offense or was generally agitated

494
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: when people who weren't professionals publicly performed music, and that

495
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: was the whole basis of karaoke. It still is. It's

496
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: reasonable though, Yeah, I mean, here's my deal, Like, if

497
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: someone there can be a certain amount of bad that's

498
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: still kind of entertaining and fun depends. But there's some

499
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: that's so bad where it's just you're waiting and waiting

500
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: for that song to end. It's just so painture, and

501
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: that's when that's when you boom. You need to stop this.

502
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: So there's a certain booing threshold for sure, especially when

503
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: you know that they are essentially deliberately singing badly they

504
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: deserve to be Yeah, yeah, Okay, that's a different thing.

505
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: If someone is just super drunk and being really obnoxious too,

506
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: and that's different. It's when they're trying and they're bad,

507
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: that's when you shouldn't boo them because you will totally

508
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: shatter their spirit forever. Yeah, So it's it's up to

509
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: you as an individual to cast that judgment at that

510
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: moment exactly. Just use it wisely, is all. That's right? Alright,

511
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: So the it's not taking off quite yet, he's demonstrating it,

512
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: like you said, not doing a good job, as legend

513
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: has it. Click supposedly even took it to Frank Sinatra,

514
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: who will figure in always figures in it karaoke, it

515
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: seems like, and Frank was like, no, thank you. He said,

516
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: what is this, huncle junk baby? You can you can

517
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: do Sammy. I'll do Frank from now and OK. That

518
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: was actually me doing a bad Phil Hartman impression of

519
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra. Well, mine is just Billy Crystal doing doing

520
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: Sammy Davis Jr. So oh, I like to think of

521
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: you doing Sammy Davis Jr. Well, it's funny because, uh,

522
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: Sammy was actually there. When Frank turned it down. He

523
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, Matt, you could make some

524
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: real dough with this thing. And Frank said, don't contradict me, Sammy,

525
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: not in front of Click. Boy, that's pretty good. Phil Hartman,

526
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: I think Joe Piscopo used to do it back in

527
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: the day. Was great memory. He was doing some like

528
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: um roundtable discussion about current topics or something, and say

529
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: O'Connor was one of the panel members, and he kept

530
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: call her the sign aide and q ball and like

531
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: she she was like trying to have this, you know,

532
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: legitimate conversation or whatever. He just kept dismissing her. Jan Hooks.

533
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, it was great. Great. That was

534
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: back when he was really mad at her because she

535
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 1: tore up the picture of the pope protesting abuse and

536
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: it's like, maybe we should revisit that. Yeah, yeah, right, exactly. Yeah,

537
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think she was kind of right on,

538
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: right on target. They're still around, I can't remember. I

539
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: was reading about her not too long ago, and I

540
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: mean she's still, if not putting out music, I think

541
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: she's an artist at least she's still creating, still creating things.

542
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: Uh So karaoke takes holden at least on the West coast.

543
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: And I saw some places like we're going to cover

544
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: the East Coast and the West coast. I saw that

545
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: before this even happened. The Midwest. Yeah, did you see that? No?

546
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: I was totally joking. Really, yeah. I saw an archive

547
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: New York Times article about the place we're gonna talk

548
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: about in man. Huh. And they said that it had

549
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: already been sort of making the rounds in the Midwest

550
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: because of Japanese autoworkers. Oh wow, that's really impressive. So

551
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: but it was in the Midwest and no one knew

552
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: about it. So yeah, So did this predate Dimples on

553
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: the West coast though, or did it kind of also

554
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: simultaneously go on in l A. Well, if Dimples, what

555
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: year was Dimples Dimples? I have the impression was in

556
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: the mid eighties. I would say probably let's go with eight. Five, No, no,

557
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Seven is when it really took off. Well,

558
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: the article in the New York Times was from eighty seven,

559
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: and they said that it had already been a thing

560
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: in the Midwest. Wow, that's that's really hats off to

561
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: Peka for innovating with karaoke in the US. Probably Detroit maybe,

562
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: I guess that's kind of where the Japanese auto manufacturing

563
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: was back then. I wonder if it was Japanese executives

564
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: coming over and talking about karaoke or American auto executives

565
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: going over to Japan and learning about karaoke, then coming

566
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: back to the Midwest and being like, let's do something tonight, right,

567
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: I put on a bunch of mufflers today exactly, I'm

568
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,239
Speaker 1: ready to unwind and build something that's really interesting. Man,

569
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: nice nugget. So Dimple's like we mentioned, it was until

570
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: I think the mid two thousands of bar and Burbank.

571
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: From what I saw, oh is that when it closed

572
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: and in favor of a Whole Food to be built

573
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: over the top of it. The Whole Food well they're

574
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: multiple Whole Foods, so yeah, Whole Foods was built over

575
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: the uh. So this is in Burbank right across from

576
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers Studios, and the owner their salth Ferraro, bought

577
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: UM a bunch of these karaoke cassettes. He has started

578
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: advertising like, Hey, where America's first karaoke karaoke bar. You're

579
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: gonna love it. People didn't catch on at first, but

580
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: they kind of took a page from the earlier days

581
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: with dice K when they said, well, there are plenty

582
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: of young, attractive UM actors and actresses out here, so

583
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: let's just get some of those in to perform. And

584
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: it took off. People like well, I want to be

585
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: a star to r exactly. People started hitting the mini stage.

586
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, so this was Dimples was known as America's

587
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: first karaoke bar, apparently incorrectly, but um, it certainly was

588
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: America's first widely known karaoke bar because it was in

589
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: l A. But it was extremely old fashioned in a

590
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: lot of ways. Number One, there were no k boxes,

591
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about in a minute. It was you

592
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: performing on stage in front of the whole bar. That's

593
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: that's considered an old fashioned style karaoke bar. Number two, Um,

594
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: you probably don't necessarily know every single lyric to the

595
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: song you're singing, so they would hand you a book

596
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: with laminated pages with the lyrics, so you would be

597
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: reading from a big binder while you were trying to

598
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: sing and perform at the same time. That's certainly very

599
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: old fashioned. And then um also number three, Um, I

600
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: think there were only two. Now that I say number three,

601
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: I think it was those two that made it super

602
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: old fashioned. So you perform in front of strangers, and

603
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: then you had to read from a book. And so

604
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: Dimples apparently really took off, and then karaoke also really

605
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: took off around the world when they added something called

606
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: C D plus G, which is compact disc plus graphics. Um. Oh,

607
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: that was the third one. They would literally use eight

608
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: tracks or cassettes of recorded karaoke music, and then all

609
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden the late eighties, you had a disc

610
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: that you could buy had a whole bunch of karaoke songs,

611
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: but then also it had a video component to it

612
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: as well, so that you could see the lyrics on screen.

613
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: And around the late eighties when karaoke as we know

614
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: and love it today was was born. Yeah. I mean

615
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things still about karaoke is that

616
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: sometimes it can still have that old school look with

617
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: like a a nature scene like a waterfall behind it

618
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: looks like it's like this looks like the late eighties

619
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: up on screen in front of me. It's a delight. Yeah,

620
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: or at least the early nineties, you know. Yeah. So

621
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: that was the West Coast in New York. There was

622
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: a place called sing Along that opened an eighty seven.

623
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: And this was opened by I think like four people.

624
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: Um Zack Smith, who was a drummer for Scandal, Um

625
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: great band if you remember Scandal the Warrior, Yeah exactly, Um,

626
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: and then an attorney named Mindy Burne Bomb and then

627
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: Scandals manager David Donald Zuckerman. And we also should say

628
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: that they sort of put it on the Western map.

629
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: But there were places already in Manhattan. There was one

630
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: in Chinatown called Lotus Blossom, another one at a restaurant

631
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: called Ichiban. So there were some karaoke bars in Manhattan,

632
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: but kind of like with everything else there, like and

633
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 1: you know, history says, until it's introduced to like white

634
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: America doesn't exist, like it doesn't exist. Maybe we'll mention

635
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: it later in a retrospective thirty years exactly. So, but

636
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: it did hit it big because of sing Along? So

637
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: are you saying that sing Along Sprague karaoke in America

638
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: more than Dibbles did? Okay, although they did franchise. I

639
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: think they opened one in Buckhead here in Atlanta as

640
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: the second one, is that right? And then so sing

641
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: Along Um was also this place that innovated the kJ

642
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: karaoke jockey. Not I couldn't help myself. That was totally involuntary. Yeah, um,

643
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: but the kJ is the guy who um is like

644
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: English Dan, who you know, gets everybody psyched up to

645
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: come up on stage. English whoever, English Dan was a

646
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 1: yacht rock guy. Right, I'd really like to see you tonight. Yeah,

647
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: it was. It was the English Dan English nick Um

648
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: was a kJ English Dan was the English Um that's

649
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: a great song too. Um. But so the kJ was

650
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: innovative at sing alongs to and you said the second

651
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: sing along was in Buckhead, right, yeah, thinking then Chicago

652
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: was next. So that would have been like the early nineties,

653
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: because the late eighties saw like the the beginning of

654
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: the entrenchment of karaoke, and then the spread really took

655
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: off in the nineties and all of a sudden, it

656
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: was like pop culture everywhere. Karaoke the first time for

657
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: the first time in America in the nineties. Yeah, And

658
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: it's funny to go back and read, Um. I know,

659
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: Dave pulled a quote from the A. J. C Here

660
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, but to go back and read that New

661
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: York Times article sort of describing what karaoke is is

662
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: really very charged. I know what I'm saying. Contemporary journalism

663
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: is so helpful. I love it. It's neat because they're like,

664
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: you know, people get up on stage we have never

665
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: seen before, and some people are bad and some people

666
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: are great, but everyone has a good time. It's yeah,

667
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: and so you know, people made fun of it, but

668
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: it was still an extremely popular thing to do, typically

669
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: like ladies night, trivia night, karaoke night. Like. It wasn't

670
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: necessarily like a karaoke bar, but it was kind of everywhere. Um.

671
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: But then there were places that where karaoke bars that

672
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: started to spring up to um and apparently it started

673
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: to hit on hard times in the nineties, at least

674
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: the trend started to die out a little bit. I'm

675
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: sure grunge had something to do with that. That was

676
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: kind of a sea change when Grunge came along. But

677
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: then American Idol actually revived karaoke like gang Busters basically, yeah,

678
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: I think that's a good place for a nice little

679
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: uh cliffhanger. Okay, okay, well we'll leave it. See what

680
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: happens did American Idol last we'll find out right after this. Well,

681
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: now we're on the road driving in your truck on

682
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: learn a thing or two from Josh. Can chuck it

683
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: you should know, all right, Okay, chuck lay it on them. Yeah,

684
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: American Idol comes on the scene. Uh, it was huge.

685
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure what their ratings are like

686
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: these days, but in those early years, it was like

687
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: one of the biggest TV shows in the history of

688
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: American television, and it apparently revived karaoke because people were

689
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: seeing regular folks get up on stage and sing. And

690
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: I think that just sort of coincided with um people

691
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: remembering like, hey, wait a minute, this karaoke thing that

692
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: Kurt Cobain killed. Um that was kind of fun. Why

693
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: are we too cool for school now? Exactly? Because I

694
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: mean that that was I guess it kind of is

695
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: what American idol is. You've got an accompanist playing and

696
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 1: you're singing and that's yeah. So it kind of made

697
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: people like get back into it a little bit. So,

698
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: um that that was I think too. Thousand two was

699
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 1: the season, the first season where Kelly Clarkson beat Dr

700
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: Pepper's Little Sweet in the finals. Um, haven't you seen

701
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: that Dr peppered with Little Sweet? It was a little

702
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: sweet the run around, Yeah, just justin Guarini, Uh yeah yeah, yeah,

703
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Um. So American idol was big and then

704
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: that that was like regular America was like, oh yeah,

705
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: let's go karaoke, and I forgot about that and then

706
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: cool indie America, um got back into karaoke thanks to

707
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: Lost in Translation. Yeah, you know the very famous scene

708
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: in the Sofia Coppola film where Bill Murray and Scarlett

709
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: Johansson or in a k box having a lot of

710
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 1: fun on their big night out in Tokyo. And uh,

711
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: it's a really great movie and a great scene. Um,

712
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: unlike all of the scenes and the two thousand film

713
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: Duets one of the worst ever. And like, I mean,

714
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: you know, obviously there's like um Absolution, the Journey or whatever,

715
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: that Mario Lopez movie that Riff Tracks recently released. Like,

716
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: there's obviously really really really bad movies out there. They're

717
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: so bad they're almost unwatchable. Duets is bad, like on

718
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: a on an offensive level that that it's really hard

719
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: to put into words. It's so because they clearly sunk money, time,

720
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: effort and thought into it, and it's still so bad.

721
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: Like these other bad movies, somebody just pooped it out

722
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: in like a couple of months. This is like a

723
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: huge major motion picture and it's so bad that it's

724
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: it almost like ticks me off just thinking about how

725
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: bad that movie was and that it got released. Yeah,

726
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: I never saw it. Um, if you don't know what

727
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: we're talking about. This is the movie directed by Bruce Paltrow,

728
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: starring his daughter, Gwyneth, Huey Lewis, Paul g Marty, Andre Brower,

729
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 1: Scott Speedman, a bunch of people and it's literally about karaoke.

730
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: And I watched the trailer today and now I have

731
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: that stupid cruising song in my head and so yeah, yeah,

732
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: that Geico commercial where they're on the moon gives me

733
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: flashbacks of duets because that's like the main song that

734
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: they sing in it. Yeah, I do have to say

735
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 1: there's one thing where I didn't know is Bruce Paltrow

736
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: that directs it. But um, there's a shot where Huey

737
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: Lewis and I think Gwyneth Paltrow checking into a hotel

738
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: and the it's like like the scene ends and Gwyneth

739
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: Paltrow leaves the shot and Huey lose to stands there

740
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: and he spikes the camera and blinked a couple of times,

741
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: and you see more clearly than you ever possibly could,

742
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: how blank it is inside of Hughey Lewis's head. You

743
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: just see it. And maybe he's not blank all the time,

744
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: but for that moment, he was totally blank. And it's great.

745
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: It's one of the great shots of all time. But

746
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: that movie just that's it's it's worthwhile. The whole movie

747
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: is worthwhile just to see that one shot. But is

748
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: it's so bad? I love Huey Lewis too, Yeah, me too.

749
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: Nothing again, you gotta see it. But but loss in

750
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: translation was the exact opposite of do what So that

751
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: scene was Yes, yeah, it made it cool and hip again,

752
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: like you said, and um, it was already kind of

753
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: picking up steam anyway. But that definitely was like, well,

754
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: a Bill Murray and wear an inside out T shirt

755
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: and get up there and sing what was it Elvis Costello?

756
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: I don't remember what he's saying. I think he did peace,

757
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: love and understanding. Uh so that put it back on

758
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: the map. And now I guess we need to talk

759
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: a little bit about just the industry side of it,

760
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: because you know, when you're putting hundreds and hundreds of

761
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: songs out performed by different people, like these aren't the

762
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: original versions there recorded by you know, uh, session players

763
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: and session singers, because you always have that you know,

764
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: sort of background track going. And there's a lot of

765
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: money going, I mean karaoke. It's like a ten billion

766
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: dollar in stree or something, and everyone gets a cut.

767
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: Like if you wrote the song or perform the song,

768
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: or if you have the publishing rights to the song.

769
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: Everyone has to say it's okay to have my my

770
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: song recorded for karaoke, and it's okay to have it performed,

771
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: and each one there are different moneys that people have

772
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: to pay. Yeah, there's a mechanical fee to actually record

773
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: the song. There's a synchronization fee to um sync up

774
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: the lyrics with it, any kind of video presentation. Um,

775
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: there's a performance fee if it's not done in a

776
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 1: K box, which I don't even know if we said

777
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: a K box is just a little soundproof room that

778
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: you can rent that's a private room for you and

779
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: your friends or whatever to perform karaoke, and so you're

780
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: not doing it in front of strangers. You don't have

781
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: to wait for other people to go. You just go

782
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: as often as you want. It is and then it's

783
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: also it's just way more fun. And most karaoke places

784
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: have k boxes now. Um, but if you're if you're

785
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: not in a K box, if it's in front of people,

786
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: you probably have to also pay a performance fee as well.

787
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: Not you the karaoke person, but either the venue or

788
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: the kJ or the company that's actually directing this because

789
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: time was you used to have to get an eight

790
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: track and everything was very tightly regulated. Now there's centralized

791
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: servers basically that existing countries around the world that have

792
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: these huge databases of karaoke songs to where if you

793
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: go into a karaoke place, it's just hitting up a computer,

794
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: probably in the Philippines or Malaysia or something like that,

795
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: and it's sending back that song and the lyrics with

796
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 1: it UM onto your video screen and through the sound system.

797
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: So to keep up with all of that is really

798
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: really difficult, And there's a lot of UM lawsuits that

799
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: were that were UM filed. Probably the biggest one with

800
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: Sony Music suing KTS Karaoke. They sued him for like

801
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: one point to five billion dollars for copyright infringement. Yeah,

802
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: I mean there's been plenty of lawsuits UM. And the

803
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: same goes with and eat jukeboxes, and anytime you have

804
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: a venue where people perform music, if there are cover

805
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: songs performed and stuff, uh it to you know, it's

806
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: a sort of a legal quagmire. And like you said,

807
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: even more complicated these days when you can be UM

808
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: sort of off book and just do like a YouTube

809
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: version on a Wednesday night at the bar and sort

810
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: of be off grid as far as people uh seeking

811
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: money are concerned. But if you're a legit karaoke club,

812
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 1: obviously you're doing it right. Or have a legit real

813
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: karaoke night with a company coming in, they're doing it right,

814
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: as in paying all the artists and stuff like that.

815
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: But there are you know, some artists who have never

816
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: signed away their rights. I think Springsteen is one. There

817
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: are some people who used to, but now the songs

818
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: have been removed, um like if you print songs. Bon Jovi, Aba,

819
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: Coldplay have removed certain songs. Um maybe because of complications

820
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: or because they couldn't get everyone on board. But if

821
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: you used to sing a song and you come back

822
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: a few years later and it's not available, that maybe

823
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: why probably is So what's weird is that you would

824
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: think would kill karaoke, but the burgeoning of the Internet

825
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: and YouTube and just basically people creating karaoke songs at

826
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 1: their house and being able to in like a home

827
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: studio with just their laptop has actually kept it going.

828
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: So karaoke doesn't seem to be going anywhere, although it

829
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: does seem to be getting more and more removed from

830
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: the group. There's a new thing called wankara, which is

831
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: a solo karaoke singing box. There's room for one person

832
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: in there, and that's all the rage in Japan right now.

833
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: From what I understand. Maybe it's just like a practice. Nope,

834
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: it's just I just want to sing because I want

835
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: to sing. That's what it's been. I mean, you know,

836
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: I bet, I'm sure there's been a person who's like,

837
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: before I try my chops in front of people on Gon,

838
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: rent one of these for my show. But I think

839
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: there's also people who are like, all I want to

840
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: do is wan car. I don't want to talk to

841
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: any of you. Uh. There are home karaoke machines, obviously

842
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: you can buy. There are apps now. Uh. One of

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Speaker 1: the great delights of my life is when my brother

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Speaker 1: sends me a smule song s m U l E.

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Speaker 1: It's a singing app where he will be sitting in

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Speaker 1: traffic and no record a full song and my brother's

847
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: sing a better singer to me, and he'll just send me,

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00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: like you know, I'll just get a text and it's attached,

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Speaker 1: like here's a smule from Scott Bryant. I've not heard

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Speaker 1: of that. It's great. I mean, I have it too,

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Speaker 1: I don't use it much, but he's he's kind of

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Speaker 1: a smule king and you can connect with other people

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Speaker 1: to do duets and stuff like that you don't even know.

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Speaker 1: So there's a whole community around it. So um, we

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00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: I know we've talked about it before, but we can't

856
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: stop until we talk about my Way killings and violence

857
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: in general around karaoke because there has been Yeah, there

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00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: there was something called the my Way killings, which we

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00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: talked about in our is tone Deafness hereditary um episode um.

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Speaker 1: But at least six people have been killed in the

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Speaker 1: Philippines during or after a performance of my Way, Frank

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00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: Sinatra's song my Way, UM. And there's all sorts of

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00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 1: interpretations of why that my Way is a really popular

864
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: song and so you know, and bar fights happened, so

865
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: it just was coincidence. Other people are like, no, they

866
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: really take my Way very seriously in the Philippines and

867
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Speaker 1: if you sing it tone deaf, you're in trouble. Um.

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't just my Way, apparently. John Denver's take

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Speaker 1: Me Home Country Roads is one of the bloodiest songs

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00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: of all time, right? Is that a murder trigger? I

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00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: guess there was a guy in Thailand who killed eight

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Speaker 1: of his neighbors, eight party goers at his next to

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Speaker 1: our neighbor's house, one of whom was his brother in

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00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: law because they would not stop singing and they sang

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Speaker 1: take Me Home, Country Roads, and he went over and

876
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 1: shot them all dead. I mean, clearly other stuff going

877
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: on there. Yeah, he seemed a little high strung, but

878
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: like it was the karaoke that had had pushed him

879
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: over the edge for sure. Yeah. What do you think

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00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: Frank would say about the my Way killings? You're gonna

881
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: lighten up sometimes, baby. I'll tell you what they don't

882
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: kill people two men is Mr Bojangles. You got that, right, Sammy?

883
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. And you know we should also mention too

884
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: that it is huge in the Philippines, Like anywhere you go,

885
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: almost in public, there might be it's sort of like

886
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: the go into Nevada and you know there's a slot

887
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: machine like every time you turn around, except there's someone singing.

888
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: In the Philippines, Yeah, I mean, it's just it's huge.

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00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: And Asia in general, you mean has this great story

890
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: about how she would kind of, you know, go duck

891
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: out and go to lunch and sing karaoke and go

892
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: back to work afterward. Here there good stuff. Um, so

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00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: you got anything else? Nothing else? All right? Well, if

894
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: you want to know more about karaoke, just get up

895
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: there and do it. It's not going to kill you,

896
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be happy that you did. And since

897
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: I said you're gonna be happy, that means it's time

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00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: for a listener mail of course. Uh. This is from

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Speaker 1: a new fifteen year old fan. Hey, guys, big fan

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00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: of the show, writing to say, Hi, just turned fifteen.

901
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm from California. I started listening in December, so I'm

902
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: fairly new, but you guys so quickly become my number

903
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: one show. Multiple times. I've heard y'all say that you

904
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: lose listeners around high school. About it here to assure

905
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: you that there are high school listeners out here anyway.

906
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: A big reason why I love the show is because

907
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: all the seemingly boring topics you cover. There's so many

908
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: ordinary things that we take for granted that have uh

909
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: such an interesting history, like bar codes, for instance. That

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00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: has been one of my favorite episodes so far. I'm

911
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: glad that Natalie saying this because that's something that we

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00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: love about the show is our episodes like ballpoint pens

913
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: and bar codes. You know, yeah that seemed boring but

914
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: turn out to be fascinating. Love it. Just today I

915
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: was asked for a random fact. I was able to

916
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Speaker 1: talk about the failure of the Pony Express thanks to you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I also want to say thank you to everyone and

918
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: stuff you should know for keeping the show so enthralling

919
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: yet educational and like so many other listeners have helped

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00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: me through the tough times. I can always counting you

921
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: for laughter, education and tangents, one of my favorite parts

922
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Speaker 1: of the show. Uh and then a final little, very

923
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: kind correction, and we welcome those. It's been very unkindlyly.

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Speaker 1: Uh Yeah. So it almost feels like there's a new

925
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: breed of listener who's like, look, I don't know who

926
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 1: you jerks are, but I think you're jerks. And here's

927
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: everything I think that you're a jerk about. There's been

928
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: a lot of that. I think it's uh, I don't

929
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: know what it is. Maybe the pandemic wearing on people here.

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00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: It could be we've gone two waves of that though,

931
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: where we'll get like a new swath of listeners and

932
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: then like six months later we'll hear from a lot

933
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: of them again and be like, look, I'm really sorry

934
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: about that first email. I really I can't do without

935
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: you guys. Yeah, you still don't know what you're talking

936
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Speaker 1: about a lot of the times, but but I find endearing.

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00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: Now it's weird, uh. She Natalie listened to the Walrus episode.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you got email about this, but wanted to

939
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Speaker 1: make sure you knew the beach creatures by the Hearst

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Speaker 1: Castle that you thought were sea lions are elephant seals.

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Speaker 1: And that is Natalie last name redacted. And she says,

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Speaker 1: p s. Don't be dumb. Was a great series. It

943
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: was nice. I don't know that anyone else ever wrote

944
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: in to correct that, So thanks a lot, Natalie. Nicely done. Totally. Um,

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00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: that was a great email, Natalie, perfectly done. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the fold and good luck with high school. If you

947
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: want to be like Natalie and get in touch with this,

948
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: you can send us an email, wrap it up, spank

949
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Speaker 1: it lightly on the bottom, and send it off to

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