WEBVTT - Pique w/ Chad Lowe 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.800 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:08.840 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:22.640 These are our stories, Done Done. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:31.760 Welcome to That's Messed Up n SVU podcast. I am 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:34.400 Cara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger. 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.040 Every week we talk about an episode of SVU, the 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:38.919 true crime it's based on. And then we have an 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.879 incredible guest from every episode. 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:43.720 And now we chat. 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:46.320 We get to hang out like we didn't just FaceTime 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.680 right before we on. 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:52.360 The Zoom on the Zoom City. We went from FaceTime 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.360 to Zoom immediately. Yeah, and then not. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.600 To brag, we are going to a pool today, but 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:59.600 we deserve it. It's like one hundred degrees. I have 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.600 no air conditioning. I'm sweating in my little box. It's 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.080 so messy. I thank god. Our friends are bringing me 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:05.959 a dresser today. 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:08.360 Oh my god. So many things are happening for you today, 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:10.680 address or a pool exciting. 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:14.040 Yeah, and bleeding from my pussy again yet again. Surprise 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:15.720 never ends. 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.040 Has it been a month? Has it it flies? Time flies? 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:21.319 Well? 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.080 I was watching TV. I was in a hotel watching 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.880 my SVU, living my best life in freezing air conditioning. 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:30.400 And what do I see on my television? Iced tea 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:31.720 in a Little Caesar's commercial. 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:32.840 I haven't seen that. 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:35.479 It was awesome. There were some other celebrities in there. 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:37.760 I didn't really pay attention. I was like on cloud 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:41.520 nine seeing Ice. You know he he needs to keep working, 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:43.520 like take a day off, bro, you need But maybe 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:44.600 he loves Little Caesar's. 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.800 But it was for the stuffed cheese crust pizza. And 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.240 I would dabble, would I would be you know what 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:53.000 I'm gonna tall. You's being crazy right now. I've never 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.640 had Little Caesar's pizza. Oh did you got Oh you 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:56.920 were rich? Maybe? No? 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:57.080 No. 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.080 I grew up in an area where I always saw 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.080 the commercial. I grew up my whole life pizza pizza, 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:03.920 Like I remember always hearing the commercial. I never saw 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.200 one physically. It was like same thing with Sonic. I 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.480 would see commercials, but they were like in New Jersey, 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:09.720 not in Connecticut. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:13.080 I relate to the Sonic. I never was near a Sonic. 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.400 I've had it twice now though. But Little Caesar's and 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:21.280 where I grew up right near the Blockbuster and five dollars, 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.840 so it would be like you grab a five dollars 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:27.720 and then well, we're we have problems. But my friend 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:29.320 and I we would each get our own five dollar 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.519 pizza and then go to the beach and then eat 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:35.560 our own pizza next to each other. And we weren't 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.240 even smoking weed at the time. We were not drunk. 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.960 We were just two girls who loved just. 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:45.440 A coming of age story about pizza and friendship. Yeah. 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:47.560 Well, you know, our friend CJ loves pizza. It's like 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:51.200 one of his personality trades. He's literally pizza. 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.840 I went to see the NBA Finals with CJ a 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:56.840 couple nights ago, and a Pizza Hut commercial came on, 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:58.440 and like three of his friends turn term and they go, 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.119 CJ Pizza Hut. Like just the commercial for Pizza Hut 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:01.640 came on. 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.120 No, don't you get to like I get message I 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:09.120 mean we get messaged SVU stuff every day, I would say, 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.920 but on my own time, I do get like Simpsons 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.280 My oh my god, Miley Cyrus has a new shirt. 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:22.000 It says Miley Cyrus made me realize I'm gay. 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.880 I feel like that's my Like I could sue her. 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.160 I've said that. Yeah, you know. Yes, I was gonna 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:33.440 there's a trigger line of merchant Miley Cyrus Inc. That's wild. 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.000 Wait but what were we talking? Oh, when you know 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:37.000 about stuff pizza. 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.280 Yeah, So for his birthday one year, me and this 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:44.560 girl we got him a pizza cake and with strawberry 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.680 shortcake and the pepperonis were fruit roll ups and the 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:51.640 cheese was like shredded white chocolate and like it was 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.440 a delicious, beautiful cake. But then everyone just wanted pizza. 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:58.520 And everyone's like, oh, like when something looks like something 0:03:58.520 --> 0:03:59.960 else in a cake, you have to make sure it's 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.880 also a delicious treat, right that drunk people would want 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:04.760 in the middle of the night. 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:07.320 Yes, Like when they were doing that thing of like 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.640 cutting cakes and like they really it's like really a 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:11.960 hand or whatever. They would be like a soda can 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:14.120 and I'd be like, I want to coke now, Yeah, 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:15.720 you know, like a soda cancake. 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.159 I just can't believe. Yeah, the Bigfoot Pizza, they had 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.440 great marketing. I mean, let's try it. I wasn't ever 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.560 pizza hut. I never had a pizza hut until like adulthood. 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.360 I had pizza hut only growing Like my life really 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.800 pizza Hut for me was personal pants at the airport. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:33.880 That was like the only time I really did it. 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:38.080 But I'm excited to try Little Caesar's Iced Tea approved 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.640 stuff crushed with you. I'd be delighted to try it. 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.320 There's one. There's one literally basically between our houses. There's 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:45.960 a Little Caesars. So I don't know why we're not. 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.880 The neighbor gets it constantly. I see her with a 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:50.320 box all the time as they. 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:53.640 Wave hot and ready, as Marcella Arguello says, hot and 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:57.839 readies for the people. I was gonna say, speaking of 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.920 Iced Tea, our girl, because you know that our instagram 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:04.279 is also a baby Nicole, a baby Chanel Nicole stand 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:08.200 account and ic Ty's daughter. Chanelle is having a moment 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.840 where people are like suddenly waking up and realizing that 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.200 she has Iced Tea's exact face, which we've obviously known forever. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.920 But everyone's like, no DNA test needed. It's like, yeah, no, 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.920 have you guys, she's like six years old. Everyone's behind 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.080 on this. She's always looked exactly like Iced Tea. 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.080 Well yeah, it's kind of like the maloney ass, like yeah, no, 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:30.799 we've been knowing, Yeah, but also, yeah, they're in love. 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.200 That is the dad and that is the mom. I mean, 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.240 I don't think, you know, like he's not having babies 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.080 out of what she's not like this right? 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.000 They're together? No, And like they're really cute. I heard 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.640 Chanelle and Coco were cute. They do like I'm not 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.520 even four, like matchy matchy outfits with mom and daughter. 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.080 But when they do it, for some reason, it's like 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:49.719 cute to me. 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.760 Like I actually saw a mom and daughter wearing matching 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:54.960 mustard yellow dresses on the street this week, and I 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:56.200 did give him a compliment. 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.479 What'd you say? I said, you guys look as hell. 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:01.280 I didn't say hell. 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.320 She was like a child, but I said, you guys 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:04.279 look really cute. 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.440 You can say hell in front of my kid. I said, 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.200 what the fuck? There was a Prius in front of 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.200 me swerving this morning, and I go, what the fuck? 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.120 And Rosie goes, what the fuck? And I was like, 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.920 don't say that. Like I don't even try to discipline 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:17.280 language because. 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.919 It's like what I talk about with TVs anything when nanny, 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.000 like if you make it a big deal, they're gonna 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.520 want to say it. Yeah, Like because I remember with 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.200 my friend who's an amazing parent. We were listening to 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.320 a song and like, like one of the other parents 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.360 at the party said something, and she goes, I don't care, 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:33.760 go fuck yourself. If we make a deal of it, 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.240 then they'll get excited. But if you don't care, why 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:36.800 would they care. 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.480 I'm just gonna be so lax about language. I can't 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:41.760 even I guess I'm gonna have to have a conversation 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:43.360 at some point of like, you can say that at home, 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:44.919 but you can't say it at school. I don't know. 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.760 Well no, but also, what's fun? What's more cute than 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.040 a kid saying fuck? Oh? 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.200 It's so cute. She says it with such gusto, She's like, 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:53.960 what the fuck? Like it's great. 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.600 Yeah, I don't believe in uh sense censorship. 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.440 There's also you told me that there is a dick 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:05.640 Wolf movie coming out. 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:07.599 Well yeah, but I did I want ASO wanted to 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:08.960 say that. I don't know if we watched this. I 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:10.960 don't know where anything is anymore, but I see in 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.360 an interview said that like he is really scared for 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.760 Coco because she's going to really miss Chanel when she 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.800 goes to school. Okay, like they spend a lot of 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:24.080 time together. He's like they're really best friends, and she's 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.600 really not excited for her to start school. 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:28.520 But you know what, that's going to be a time 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.080 for Coco to like take off. Coco's going to like 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.400 come up with some product she's going to start selling, 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:35.240 or she's going to like have her own business. Like 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.000 I'm not worried about Coco. I mean that will be 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:38.920 like emotional, but I bet you it'll be like a 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.680 time where she kind of steps into her own power 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.440 and she put out a workout DVD. I would pay 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:48.240 attention to launch a swimwear line for like lady girls 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:49.640 with big tits. I love that. 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:54.560 Hello, Yeah, I saw wildly a preview. I don't know 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.240 how it came to me, probably the algorithm. But there's 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:01.600 a Dick Wolf Ridley Scott Court movie coming out with 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.640 the guy from Star Wars. I know there's a lot 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:05.560 of Star Wars and a lot of guys. 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.360 But John Boyega, Yeah, the cute guy. That's like he 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:10.800 was like the young new star too, like one of 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:14.360 the last couple of Star Wars. I'm like Star Wars illiterate, 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:15.960 So you know what I'm talking about. 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.400 Well, we figured it out together. But it looked great 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.320 and I think we'll probably see it opening night, and 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.160 if if we get rich by the time it comes out, 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:27.320 we'll rent a whole theater. I love when I see 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.760 that on Twitter. I know it's usually for poor people, Like, Hey, 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:31.880 if you're in this community, I bought this theater out. 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.160 We're just gonna be like, if you're an SVU freak, 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.679 even if you can afford it, you can get. 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:41.719 On down here. Yeah, so stay tuned for that. All right, 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.720 let's get going. I'm really excited about today's episode. 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:51.960 Oh yeah, all right, let's do it. So we're going 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.439 all the way back and we're starting with season two, 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:58.439 episode twenty peak. I would say one of our most requested, 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:03.400 not as much as Murderous Identical Twins, but very close 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:03.800 up there. 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.520 Yes, No, people have definitely asked for this baby a lot, 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:10.040 and I understand it. It is a very good episode 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:14.640 and star studded. It opens on Melinda Warner and saying 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:18.200 tag and bag, so I love some poetry next to 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:21.360 a dead body. This body is found on the water 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:23.880 with a beautiful view of the city behind her, and 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.520 they're showing us the city and it's great, but then 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.720 you know, also bad things happen and you will be 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:32.760 washed ashore. Maloney and Benson show up saying, hey, what's up, 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:33.680 what's the scoop? 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.600 And Maloney says, what's up, Doc? And I get it 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.480 because she's a doctor, but also bugs bunny. They're just 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.120 cracking a lot of jokes for there being a dead woman. 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.679 I didn't realize, but I do love watching Olivia put 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:51.680 latex gloves on, so she's getting ready to touch the woman, even. 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:52.959 Though the the emmy's there. 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:57.440 Whatever, though, we find out the victim's name is Veronica Tandy. 0:09:57.520 --> 0:09:59.719 She's thirty four years old. She was stabbed in the 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:03.040 back and raped from behind, and there's a bruise on 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:04.600 her neck so she was yoked. 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:05.679 Yikes. 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:09.560 And then back at the examiner's office, there's no DNA found, 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.360 but their spermicide from condoms is found. And then also 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.480 Warner's like putting organs onto a scale and like it 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.640 looked like a liver, like she was just holding a 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:19.400 lot of organs. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:22.760 They were that that usually. 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.000 Doesn't happen, and it's not like they're going to donate 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:26.679 them because that would have to be faster. So I 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:28.880 don't know why it's just to weigh all these organs out. 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.040 I bet you. It's part of the autopsy process. Is like, wait, 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.480 I don't know, that's a great question. I don't know. 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:35.840 It felt fucked. 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:37.240 Oh, but yeah, you're right. 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.280 It was for a purpose because they did find a 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:43.920 single fetus present, and the fetus is seven to eight 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:47.840 weeks old. And then the cause of death is cardio 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.960 failure because she when she was stabbed in the back 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.360 of collapsed still lung and then she died from her 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.800 heart stopping and it was a giant knife brutal. 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.040 Can we just can I say a quick question about 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:02.200 the condoms. Do all condoms have spermicide in them? 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.439 Maybe not, because maybe some people are allergic to spermicide. 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.920 Okay, I was just wondering that, But why. 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:09.480 Wouldn't you If you're going to use a condom, might 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:13.640 as well, Yeah, right, make it make it a sperm 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:15.960 murder scene if you can. I guess if you're doing 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.000 like in vitro style on your own with a base, 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.439 or maybe someone jerks off into the condom and then 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:24.840 without spermicides, then the sperm doesn't die and then you 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.800 can use the sperm in the condom. I don't think 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:32.920 that's what manufacturers were thinking of. But I think there's 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:34.760 for sure non spermicide ones. 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:38.600 Okay, it says in fact, most condoms do not have it. 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.360 Yeah, and I feel like you have to like buy 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:45.439 spermicide and like add it sometimes, which is but why would. 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.920 You always want to? Well I gave an example of 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:49.920 why you wouldn't, so I understand why not. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:55.240 This is that one extremely common example. Yeah, okay, sorry 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:56.160 to interrupt, you move on. 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.680 No, it was important stuff, girl. We need to know 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:04.000 about condoms. I saw our Steph Tolov on TikTok. She 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.640 did a TikTok that she's sick of guys having magnum 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.360 condoms that don't need them. And I didn't realize that 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.599 that's the thing that happens, Like are they like what 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:13.640 do guys think is going to happen? It's going to 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:14.240 slide off? 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.360 Yeah, I don't know when your dick will look smaller 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.199 and no woman is looking at what condom you're putting on. 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.440 They're not like sweet a magnum. Yes, Like I mean, 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.320 I just have never even noticed, like just get it on. 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:28.800 Her tiktoks are funny, y as she was just like 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.640 I but I see it like, I don't know, so 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:33.760 that's just something it has this happened to you let 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:34.080 us know. 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:37.920 We do meet the victim's husband. 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.480 He is sad, he's crying, but of course they think 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.600 he's guilty immediately, and Benson at this point sheh has 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:47.280 short spiky hair, Jim teacher chic. The highlights are popping. 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.360 The husband is screaming, you're supposed to be home. He's 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.320 banging on the glass, and Benson does give him a 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.840 loving embrace, which I really enjoyed, and then we cut 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.440 to the credits. We come back from the credits and 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.760 we're in then to irrogation room and the husband says 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.400 that they were supposed to meet last night. She didn't 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.080 show up at seven pm dinner. He did call her assistant, 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:10.600 who said she left early, around four pm. But he 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.280 wasn't suspicious of anything because he's she is head of 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:17.560 personnel for a company that manufactures gaming software, so he 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:21.120 thought maybe she was out recruiting and didn't think of 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:24.440 it as a big emergency. When he's asked like are 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.200 people mad at her or does she have any enemies, 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.320 he says, well, she fires people, so everyone that she 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.120 fires is mad at her, so he thinks like maybe 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.760 a fire lunatic did want to attack her. He's still 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.040 really sad, crying and is like, what am I going 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:40.720 to do? How am I going to tell my kids? 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.880 And that's a nice thing, that is. Yeah, I think 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:47.360 sometimes you forget that you then go have to tell 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.160 your kids your mom was murdered. 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:50.760 So that sucks. 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:51.120 Yeah. 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.040 I really hope Jared never has to do that. Yeah. 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:58.080 I think we all think that, we all do. I 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.080 don't know when we know it has to do that, 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:06.120 even enemies. Yeah, yeah, even the worst. Yeah, because you 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.080 know the kid. It's not you know, maybe we want 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.560 to like make a parent feel like shit, but we 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:14.400 don't want to punish children. I don't have any children enemies. 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.120 I would say I have none of those. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.440 The very opposite. Actually, you have a fucking fan club. 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:20.520 That's the day. 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:27.280 It is really silly. Oh what's this woman who does 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:31.880 the least amount for me? She'll be my favorite. Yeah. 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:36.240 Maloney then asks like, hey, your wife's pregnant, and he goes, 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.400 what are you talking about? So he didn't know that 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.320 his wife was pregnant yet, so of course they're suspicious. 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.280 So Benson and Stable are not talking to Kraigan. And 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.960 at first I only noticed, like, oh, Olivia's wearing a turtleneck, 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.880 but then her nipples were hard and I did see it. 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.600 I don't know if this is disrespectful to our you know, matriarch. 0:14:55.760 --> 0:15:01.880 But if you want to zoom in like the criminal 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.440 on this show, actually will find out. If you want 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.440 to pretend you're the criminal, you can zoom it on 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.720 her hard nipples. Okay, So then Kragan tells it would 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.760 be funny if Craigan's like, yo, your nips are harder, 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:15.120 you pumps to see me, But. 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:17.640 He doesn't. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.440 He just he tells them to go talk to recently 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.560 fired people. He's going to get a psych profile going. 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.600 And Benson and Stabler, like I said, they're suspicious because 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.400 the dad didn't know about the pregnancy. Do they need 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:34.160 to establish paternity. We will see what happens. The detectives 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.200 had to comp you game, and her coworker is so 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.200 sad and said everyone loved her. People were mad at her, 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.800 but it makes no sense because the department heads actually 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.880 decide who gets fired. She's just the messenger and you shouldn't, 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:49.440 you know, kill the messenger literally, But of course she 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.680 said everyone is mad at her, no matter what. But 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:56.040 she also said everyone loved her, So this woman does 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:59.800 make makes no sense. Yeah, everyone everyone's mad at her, 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.640 So I don't know, but this woman did like her. 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.120 But five people have been fired within the past three 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.200 months and they were mad. So they're gonna go talk 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.200 to these people. Obviously, they talked to another person from 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.240 the job and they call her Ronnie. So they call 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:15.160 Veronica Ronnie, and I kind of like that. I've never 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:15.840 heard that before. 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.720 I call him. We used to call her friend Veronica. 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:21.840 Vern Oh that's cute, yeah, or in Russian vula. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:26.520 Oh, it's even prettier in Russian, yeah, but never a Ronnie. 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:32.400 So the friend also did not know that Ronnie was pregnant, 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:34.720 and she was just like, there's no fucking way she's 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.480 having an affair with Jason Mayberry. So we find about 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.640 that this Jason Mayberry guy. We want to know more information. 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:42.200 Is he having an affair? 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.560 Is he not? Are they friends? Is he mad? Is 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.920 he the killer? We don't fucking know. 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.400 We do find out, however, that Ronnie is a bleeding 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.160 heart and she likes to help people, and the friend 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:56.960 does not like that. Olivia is insinuating otherwise. So Benson 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:01.200 is confused, however, because Jason did send her flowers and 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.040 the friend said, it's because Ronnie talked to some people 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:08.280 and gave recommendations, and Jason felt grateful for that and 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.760 recommendation for what's going on? Jason wanted to be a 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.920 police officer, So is he going to the police academy? 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:15.800 What's going on? 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:16.600 We don't know. 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.080 So now Stabler's talking to the head of security who 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.399 looks like that was like Jason's direct boss. And the 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.119 head security guy thinks that he quit the job because 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.879 he was embarrassed because his mother would come in all 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.600 the time and call and bust his chops in front 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:32.160 of everyone. 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:33.800 And she was just like a. 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.399 Hovering mom that wouldn't leave our adult son alone. And 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.760 so where's Jason now? Can we get an address? We 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:43.119 get an address in Jersey for him, and we also 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:47.040 find out that a man named Greg Specter could not 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:53.960 stand Veronica. So Jason turned Greg in to Veronica because 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:57.160 Greg was using security cameras to zoom in on women 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.919 and be a creep. Where's Greg now? Work in sanitation? 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.880 So Benson and Stabler go down to talk to Greg, 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.639 who is surrounded by tons of garbage bags, and he's like, 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:10.680 Jason lied, and that Jason's actually the fucking creep, not him, 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.800 that he was not zooming in on anyone, and he 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.520 caught Jason doing it, and then Jason like covered his 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:17.760 tracks by saying Greg was zooming in on women on 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.359 the security cameras. But he does seem really shocked that 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:25.040 Veronica's dead and he was home alone, so no alibi, 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.640 so that's dangerous. It could be all put on him. 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.240 But he said that Veronica came to see him a 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.640 week ago to get his side of the story because 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:37.280 she started to feel like maybe something was up and 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:41.280 it wasn't fully Greg. So Veronica does cover her bases 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.280 and seems to be very she was very good at 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.600 her job. We could say that, and that Veronica actually 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.480 called to try to get Greg back and reinstate it 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:53.520 into his job because she thought that Jason was the creep. 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.359 So yeah, like a bleeding heart, always trying to do 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.360 the right thing. So Jason is a rich boy if 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.920 I was a rich boy. So Benson and Stable are 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.640 like a giant, rich, opulent ass mansion. There's a may 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.639 dressed in classic made gear and gold everywhere. It's just 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.760 very opulent and very wild. And the mom says he 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.239 doesn't come home often because of the home reminds him 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.440 of his dead father, so he doesn't really love it there. 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:19.919 And the mom like any. 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:23.040 Rich person aggressive, cocky, I don't like, you don't tell 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.720 me shit, YadA YadA. Benson's like, do you know what 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:27.719 obstruction is? 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.280 Madam? I always remember this line where she goes, I 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:34.800 don't like cryptic conversations. They require a prevaricating nature that 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:38.520 I do not possess. I like, always remember that line 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:39.680 from this episode. 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:41.480 Well, I'm glad you remembered it because I didn't write 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:43.160 it down because I was not about to learn how 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.679 to spell that word. So I'm glad that was just 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:46.960 on the tip of your tongue. 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:49.399 What is it perfect? I was like, I'm not spelling. 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:52.880 This, I I think I wrote. She was bitchy and argumentative, 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:58.159 like that's all I That's how I said it. But 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.320 then you know, obstruction, this is a murder trial, and 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:03.359 we need to fuck this is a murder investigation. We 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:04.800 need to talk to your fucking son. 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:08.040 Yeah. They straighten her right out. Yeah, it's like we 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:11.760 don't care. Someone is murdered, like fuck you and what 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:12.960 you like and don't like. 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:16.040 So the mom puts her teacup down and they cut 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.359 to a shot of Benson knocking on an apartment door. 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.560 The unit number is sixteen. So it made me think 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.160 of My Super Sweet sixteen, one of the best shows ever. 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:29.159 Did you watch it? Like you know? I caught a 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:34.440 couple episodes. Oh that's wild. I didn't grasp you, not really, 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.920 but my cousin and I are obsessed with the Scarlett 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.720 Johanson SNL sketch they do of it that I have 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:43.080 not seen, and it's like, I wish you could see 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:45.240 how dummy you look right now, give me one thousand dollars. 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:46.880 That's like what the kid says to their dad. 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:53.280 Okay, so who opens the door of Unit sixteen? Chad 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:58.640 motherfucking Low. So yeah, Chad Low is there? SVU legend, 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:02.880 I would say, legend in his own right of lots. 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:04.280 Of different ways. Yeah. 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:07.080 Yeah, So he's wearing a long sleeve button down shirt, 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:10.520 nerdy vibes. I wouldn't really expect him to be working 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.439 security or wanting to be a cop. So you know, 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:15.879 you can't judge a book by its cover, I guess 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:18.520 he doesn't want to let them in because it's a messy, 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:20.760 which I do relate to. And Stabler's like, we don't mind, 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:24.119 and chadlow like his mother, quick quick with the sass, 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:25.080 and goes, well I mind. 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:25.680 Okay. 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:29.719 So Stabler suggests heading down to the precinct and Jason 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.960 responds greg Spector hated her, and Benson goes, we already 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.720 talked to him, so not going to work on us, babe, 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:38.160 And Jason is like, I don't see how I can 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:41.600 help you, and Stabler plays this game where it's like, 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.160 we really need your help help us find the sky. 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:46.879 It's for Veronica, we need you, we need you. 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:50.240 Sold there's Mike multiple times where they have like hop 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:53.320 wannabes and they're just like, we need your help to 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:55.560 help us solve the case. Like it's like treating a 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:57.560 little kid like they're a superhero or something. 0:21:57.680 --> 0:21:59.840 Well also if it's just like it doesn't even have 0:21:59.880 --> 0:22:00.639 to be someone that wants to be. 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:01.600 A cop, like any guy. 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:05.919 Remember that episode where the marine, Yeah, the marine, but 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:11.640 also there's a South Park the season like during the 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:16.879 Clinton Trump election that season put like is incredible and 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:17.679 they trick. 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:19.880 All these in cell trolls. 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:22.840 From the internet. They're like, we need you to help us. 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:25.000 And all these guys think they're James Bond and they 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:28.080 all arrive like every guy thinks that he's just one 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:30.119 ask away from helping the CIA. 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:32.960 You know, so true. 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:36.119 Yeah, they're not questioning it at all, And I feel 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:37.800 like I would fall for it too, So I'm not 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:41.560 This isn't a full man hating moment. And I think 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:45.359 I've even talked about the South Park before, but I 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:47.440 definitely yeah. 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:49.800 If I got a call, well, yeah, if they were like, Lisa, 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:52.120 we've heard your podcast. You obviously know a lot about murder. 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.720 We're gonna need your help with this case. We need 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:56.320 a new set of eyes. And I feel like you're 0:22:56.320 --> 0:22:59.160 the one that I would you you'd be like, well, 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:03.639 it's my duty, guys, I can't record today. I'm helping 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:07.080 with an investigation. Oh I would. I would totally do that. 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:11.960 Craigan introduces the detectives to B. D. Wong aka George 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.200 Wang aka yes you are right. This is an introduction 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:15.600 to B. D. 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:15.960 Wong. 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:19.080 This is his first episode of SVU, so this is 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:23.600 immediately iconic canon. This is his first episode. He's wearing glasses, 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:26.919 a lot of layers. He's ready to work, and Huang 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:29.119 has some input, of course, you know, and the detectives 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:31.439 don't want to listen. They hate science, they hate reason, 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:33.240 and they hate anyone that's going to tell him don't 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:35.760 just puch a suspect in the face. So he tells 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.639 Stabler like, you should go at him alone because he 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:42.000 has a problem with women, and Benson says, yeah, all 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:44.919 rapists have a problem with women. We don't need you, 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:48.439 but I'll sit this out, but excuse me, and he 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:51.480 was like, listen, this person's extremely shy. He attacks people 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:53.880 from the behind, and Stabler wants to argue and goes, 0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:57.600 that's to conceal, not shy, and Huang is like, okay, 0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:00.240 but your man isn't bold. No one notices him, did they. 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:04.520 He seems pretty humble and eager to please, even shy, 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:08.199 so cocky chill love it, like I love that. I 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:12.600 love his vibe during this, And since he applied for 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:15.439 the police academy multiple times, they already have a psychic 0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:17.199 owl on him, so Olivia is gonna go do that. 0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:20.439 And then Stabler talks to Craigan and is like, George 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:22.440 just caught here. I don't fucking want to talk to him. 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:27.360 I don't understand. Blah blah blah blah blah. Classic, classic, classic, 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:29.919 from the get go. They need a confession. They have 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:32.520 no evidence, so Stabler really has to go at Jason 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:36.719 and like pretend that they're friends. So Stabler and Jason 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.600 talk about how the coffee sucks at precincts. He gotta 0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:41.359 get used to it if you want to be a cop. 0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:44.400 He's like, whoa, how'd you know? And he goes, well, 0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:48.040 when there're star applicants, we all know, all the cops. 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:51.239 We're all talking about the new hot shot students and 0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:56.000 believes it fully and yeah, Stabler is like a spider, 0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:58.480 you know, he's weaving a little web for this idiot 0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:01.600 to fall into. And then he goes, hey, you know, 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:04.720 I'll help with the application. Even give me your info. 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:07.359 I'll work this out for you. There must be a 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:12.560 snag at the application center. So Jason's smiling, He's pumped. 0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:15.439 He wants to be a cop. Stabler says something about 0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:17.680 his mommy paying his bills, and he goes, she does 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:19.960 not pay my bills. I have a trust. But that's 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:20.560 the same. 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:22.280 Right pretty much. I mean, like he probably got the 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:25.480 trust from like his dad dying too, or he you know, 0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:28.280 but it is still family money. You're not like earning 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:29.560 the money that you're spending. 0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:33.199 Yeah, but do rich kids is that like common? Do 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:35.600 rich kids think a trust is not your parents paying 0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:37.920 for Also, if I had a trust, I would be grateful. 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:41.359 I would be like, yes, never have to work again, 0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:43.080 Mom's money. I don't care. 0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:45.439 But I guess he has a lot to prove. And 0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:47.120 Stabler's like, well, why would you even want to work 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:50.200 at all? This makes no sense, and like, why quit 0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:52.360 a place where everyone liked and respected you. I don't 0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:55.560 understand it. Jason says, you'd prefer not to talk about it, 0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:58.200 and so Stabler needs to play the game goes, maybe 0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:01.680 you quit before they could fire you, maybe security camera stuff, 0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:05.320 you little fucking creep, And he goes, no, that's greg 0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:07.360 I never did that. So it's like, then, why did 0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:10.800 you quit? Fucking tell us? So there's a deep sigh 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:14.199 and he says that he was being sexually harassed but 0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:16.560 didn't want to get the woman in trouble, so he 0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:20.520 had to leave. He said Veronica was sexually harassing him. 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:25.280 Veronica's husband now is in the precinct. We're so close 0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:28.000 to uh, one of those moments where everyone meets in 0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:32.159 the hallways. It doesn't happen, but we have Veronica's husband's 0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:35.959 holding like an open package box situation, and he's disheveled, 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:38.280 he's sad, and he's trying to talk to Benson, and 0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:41.439 Benson's like, I'm busy, okay, And it's like his wife 0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:43.560 was murdered. I don't know what you're so busy doing, 0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:45.880 but can you just give him a fucking couple seconds. 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:49.200 And so they continue with the show and tell, and 0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:53.080 basically he explains how his camcorder broke, so his wife 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:55.359 bought him a new one as a present and it 0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:58.720 showed up as a surprise, and he goes, you know, 0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:02.120 you've been digging around dirting my murdered wife's name. Read 0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:05.560 the card. Read the fucking card. And the card says 0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:09.080 something about like baby number four is on your way. 0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:09.920 Shoot until you. 0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:12.720 Drop, have fun. So there was no affair. She was 0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:15.520 waiting to surprise him with the baby news. There's no secrets, 0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:18.600 there's no nothing like that, Like truly, she just wanted 0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:20.440 to tell her husband that they were gonna have a baby. 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:24.200 And a cute way with the present, So bd Wong 0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:25.800 is in the background of the scene the whole time 0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:29.680 holding the coffee cup, doing incredible background work. So now 0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:32.439 we cut to Olivia. She's wearing a red scarf for 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.359 no reason, and she's talking to a cop teacher who 0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.399 has the scoop on why Jason is not allowed to 0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:41.320 be a cop. And so he barely passed the physical 0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:44.800 and not even close to passing the psyche val. He 0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:48.160 goes super aggressive when stressed, and Benson is like, aren't 0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:52.400 most cops? So that's a read And Benson brings up, 0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:55.000 don't most psychopaths know how to fake it and pass 0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:58.160 a psych test? And the cop teacher Daddy says, oh, yeah, 0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:00.360 that's why we know he's a I don't know is saying. 0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:02.800 He goes, that's why he must be a real secret squirrel. 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:04.040 Yeah. 0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:07.440 I want that well, because now I know squirrel friends 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:11.080 and squirrels have little nuts. Oh nuts, secret squirrel The 0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:15.160 squirrels get nuts. It's a secret nut maybe yeah, Okay, 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:16.760 that just I don't know. 0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:21.439 But that's why RuPaul calls them squirrel friends because they 0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:22.240 hide their nuts. 0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:28.080 Yeah, that's exactly it. Benson is confused why there's two 0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:31.840 letters of recommendation in the file, and he says, well, 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:34.520 one is a glowing review and one is actually this 0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:38.640 woman pulling her support, So done. 0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:38.800 You know what I mean? 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.840 And so she gave a glowing review and then said, no, 0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:47.240 never mind. Actually he's a fucking squirrel. So yeah, we 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:49.640 we say insane and crazy too much. Maybe we'll switch 0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:56.840 to squirrel. We'll just start yeah chip Mo oh yeah, or. 0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:58.640 Chip Mo get wet. 0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:03.440 So back to Stabler and Jason. They're having a full 0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:07.239 day at the interrogation room. Jason says, I'm tired, and 0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:08.400 Stabler's like, yeah, but. 0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:09.160 I need you here. 0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:12.760 We gotta do victimology together. I need your help. So 0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:17.000 they're dancing back and forth. He's obviously lying, Stabler's playing games. 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:20.680 So basically it's like, no one believes that this hot, married, 0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:23.960 happy woman that's successful as hell would be with you. Okay, 0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.840 But so during this like dancing game, blah blah blah 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:31.920 blaes back and forth, we're an interrogation, Jason lets it slip. 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:34.800 So Chadlow's character lets it slip that he knew she 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:39.560 was pregnant. So immediately it's like the legally blonde per moment, 0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:42.680 it comes to Stabler, how do you know she was pregnant? 0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:44.880 She told me, she told you, but not her husband 0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:48.959 didn't tell anybody else but you. So wait, so you 0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:50.440 were close or would you not close? 0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:52.640 Like, what's going on? When did she tell you? 0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:56.200 And then he goes, I don't really remember, and then 0:29:56.480 --> 0:30:00.200 Stabler's beeper beeps. I bet there are people listening to 0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:02.360 the show who've never even heard or seen a beeper 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.160 in their fucking lives. Yeah, I didn't know two thousand 0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:07.160 and two even had beepers. 0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:10.840 I thought we were posting the beeper game. My mom 0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:14.360 had a beeper forever. But she's a doctor, I know, 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:16.720 but she had one way after she had a cell phone, 0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:19.160 but she's a doctor. She stayed in the beeper game. 0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:22.280 Yeah, I don't know doctors are allowed to have beepers 0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:28.840 and like taxi drivers, but no one else. So then 0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:31.680 we get Cabot. We have Cabot behind the glass, and 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:33.720 now that I know that, like Wong in March are 0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:36.200 friends in real life, it is really special to see 0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:39.440 them together, Like, yeah, I get really happy, and we 0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:41.960 need her on the podcast. Let us know what Cabot 0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:44.160 centric episode you would like us to be. 0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:46.880 Yeah, yeah, we'll put up a thing on our Instagram 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:49.320 stories too, of like tell us your favorite cabot today. 0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:51.760 Yeah yeah, so then we can approach her and then 0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:54.320 if she but well, now we're friends with everyone, so 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:57.680 hopefully Diane or Wong will be like, bitch, I don't 0:30:57.680 --> 0:30:59.520 care if you don't want to, you gotta come on. 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:00.520 We're with you. 0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:06.280 So she goes, we can't hold him. Stabler walks in, goes, 0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:10.000 excuse me, like he just became a cop, and so 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:11.800 he's mad. He's like, what do you mean let him walk? 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.920 That bastard knew she was pregnant and killed her anyway, 0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:17.600 And she's like, no, I know, I'm on your side, 0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:20.960 but you can't force him to stay. And without a miranda, 0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:24.840 it's admissible. And Craigan's like, you're tying our hands, and 0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:25.360 it's like. 0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:28.520 Yes, there are laws. What do you want her to do? 0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:33.040 Like we know he sucks, but get a confession or 0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:35.280 mirandize him and arrest him but there's no evidence, Like 0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:37.640 fuck off. I just hate when they get so mad 0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:40.640 at these lawyers and yell and do yell at Barba, 0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:41.800 the way they yell at these women. 0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:45.440 I don't know. I don't know Barba's like, so plays, 0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:46.320 it's so chill. 0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:49.480 Yeah, he's always condescending and making a little riddle a rhyme. 0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:51.640 He's like a little troll under a brig Like I 0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:53.880 can't think of a time of him ever yelling back. 0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:57.280 He's just like actually subsection thirty four, you know, like 0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:58.880 he just like kind of knows everything. 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:05.320 So Wong gives Stabler more scoop and he says, this 0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:09.240 guy hates women. Get on his level. The nastier the better. 0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:11.960 He wants to talk. But like then Stabler's like won 0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:14.760 want he catch on? And Wong's like, yeah, but who cares? 0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:16.560 It's worth it? Like, who cares if he catches on? 0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:21.000 So Stabler comes in, pulls up his sleeves and this 0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:23.560 is like an SVU Bingo moment. You know, there's a 0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:27.200 bingo board, this would be on it. And Stabler does 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:30.600 a great job. He's just like, oh my bitch wife, 0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:36.880 sixteen long dry years of marriage, too many kids, creditors. 0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:38.960 If I don't give her the credit cards, she doesn't 0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:42.320 fuck me. And then Jason's able to guess how the 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:45.800 oldest child is, which is sixteen. So that's a running 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:50.680 sixteen theme, and Stabler's like, wait, I don't lad you 0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:53.160 know that, And Jason's like, you're a fucking cliche, bro. 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:55.920 You're a responsible guy. You know, you got caught up, 0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:58.160 you got her pregnant, and she was just she's looking 0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:03.400 for a free ride and now your life sucks, so whatever. 0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:06.120 But you love your job, don't you, baby, And he's like, 0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:07.280 I love my job. 0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:09.840 You know, I love putting bad guys away. 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.520 So they're like bonding and he's not catching on to 0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:16.480 what's happening at all. But then so basically Jason's like, 0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:19.080 but you like to put bad guys away, and Sailor says, yeah, 0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:21.320 but I actually want to know why. I like to 0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:23.719 know why they end up that way, which is not 0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:26.160 true because anytime Wong wants to bring in an idea, 0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:29.800 he doesn't listen. So it's like you actually don't care 0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:31.840 at all, and when someone gives you a reason, you 0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:36.360 go no excuses, So uh whatever. So Stabler flips it 0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:38.600 up again and tries to get Jason to talk by 0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:41.640 saying there's no innocent victims. There's always a reason why. 0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:46.040 I'm an experienced detective and women are It's always at 0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:48.800 fault and there's always a reason why they are attacked, 0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:52.080 and so he's just basically throwing this fishing line into 0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:54.880 the pond and seeing if Jason takes a bite. So 0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:58.320 Jason starts talking about Veronica. She was a bitch. She 0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.560 took my dreams away. She wrote to the academy and 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:04.000 said I wasn't fit. She wanted me to meet her 0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:06.720 outside of a store and said if I slept with 0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:10.040 her then she would fix it. But I couldn't do that. 0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:11.719 I didn't want to do that to her husband. I 0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:16.920 wouldn't have like disrespected him that way. Sabler asks which 0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:21.120 department store. He says, Crazy Bob's on Licks, So it's 0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:26.839 an electronics store, which I like Crazy Bobs. So now 0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:31.000 we cut to Benson and Benson goes to Fortress Armored 0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.279 Cars to talk to Jason's new boss at the job 0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:36.960 that he went to after he left that video game 0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:39.440 cup place. So he says he's going to the police 0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:42.160 Academy after only working there two weeks. The boss is 0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:45.200 kind of annoyed. Benson asks if he was a good employee, 0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:46.840 and the boss says, I suppose, but he was a 0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:49.080 real chatty cathy about his girlfriend. 0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:50.520 Ding ding ding ding ding. 0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:53.400 You know, clue So the boss says, there's all these 0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:56.360 photos of women in his locker, and he goes, but 0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:59.480 if you want my opinion, this woman doesn't even know 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:02.279 he exists. And there's no doors on the lockers, and 0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:04.160 I kind of love the boss. He goes, if they 0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.080 got something to hide, they can leave it at home. 0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:10.359 That's great. Yeah, yeah, I don't care what. I don't know. 0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:12.319 I just I like this boss. He seems like a 0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:16.719 reasonable guy. So at his locker there's all these photos 0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:19.879 of Veronica from the security cameras. They're all like her 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:23.680 in a distance, and there's the candids of like closeups 0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:27.160 of her boobs. So Benson calls and goes, get us 0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:31.239 the search warrant, bitch. So they go to his apartment 0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:34.560 and there's tons and tons of boxes of condoms, so 0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:39.400 many condoms. And then also like through digging in the closet, 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:42.439 Benson Caesar's all this women's clothing. She goes, I didn't 0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:44.960 know there was a roommate. Maybe he's a cross dress 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:47.520 or I'm not really sure. And then there's a shirt 0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:50.160 that says GM on it. So there's a monogram on 0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:52.719 one of the shirts and the text says yeah, there's 0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.680 also like women's underwear in the laundry basket. What's going on? 0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:58.399 And then on top of the cabinet there's a bunch 0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:03.080 of bloody happens with locations written on them, and Benson 0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:05.920 says like, walk the panties through the lab, rush the DNA. 0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:09.439 Let's get these happens tested. Let's go, let's go, let's go. Move, 0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:13.640 move move, And then Stabler, now it's time. It's game time. 0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:16.840 Maybe it's quarter four. You've been holding out on me, 0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:19.400 and I don't like being played. I respected you, and 0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:23.319 you're treating me like a bitch. You're just like those 0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:25.880 women that lie, but you don't lie to me. You 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:29.359 need to stop lying. And it's just really great. And 0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:32.200 then when Jason says I want to go home, Stabler 0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:33.960 does a full like act out and he's like, oh, 0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:37.200 I want to go home and pretends to cry. He 0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:40.719 starts throwing the photos from the locker one by one 0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:46.399 onto Jason's face. It's a really good see and so 0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:48.680 Jason's like, I'm not lying, I'm not lying. But then 0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:51.759 Stablert goes, wait, you are dude. Did she harass you 0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:54.799 or is she your girlfriend? You can't have it both 0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:58.600 ways and Stabler says like, yeah, you can leave if 0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:00.920 you want to leave, but you're gonna seem guilty, just 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.200 like all the all the games. And they're like and 0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:05.560 the press is going to like scrutinize you, and your 0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:06.879 rich mom is going to be mad. 0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:10.000 And Jason is like, I love Ronnie. 0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:12.400 She was gonna leave her husband to be with me, 0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:15.240 and she couldn't because she got pregnant and that baby 0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:18.480 could have been mine. And Stabler goes, no, no, no, there 0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:20.640 is no baby, there is no mother. Everyone is dead. 0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.600 You yoked her, you raped her, and when she pleaded 0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:26.760 for her life an unborn child, you stuck your knife 0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:30.480 into her back. Admit it. I love staying. This is 0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:32.600 the thing with Stabler. In this moment, I'd have sex 0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:35.400 with Stabler. You know, I'm not mad at him anymore. 0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:39.240 Chadlow screams, I did not kill her. It was someone else, 0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:42.840 and I want a lawyer. Uh oh, this is not good. 0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:46.680 But Stabler doesn't get him a lawyer and basically keeps 0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:50.560 playing games with him, and it's so annoying. So he's 0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:54.359 turning and screaming. Stabler's like, we're almost done. Just answer 0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:57.279 the questions and you can leave. He's doing good cop, 0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:59.840 bad cop, but in one person, he's like being a 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.879 Cynthia Nixon right now, a lot of multiple personalities coming 0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:07.879 out of Stabler. And Benson is now visiting the rich 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:11.640 Momy in Jersey, who's reading a book and Benson is 0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:14.160 playing a game. Benson goes, why is your blouse at 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:17.840 Jason's house? Do you live with him? And she goes, listen, 0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:20.400 my son's not a murderer. And she goes, why do 0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:22.560 you leave your clothing at his place? And she goes, 0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:24.680 I told you, Jason isn't like coming here. I visit 0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:26.279 him in the city. We could do dinner with someone, 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:28.440 to go to the theater, and sometimes it's too late 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:30.279 to drive home, so I spend the night there and 0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:33.000 it's none of your fucking business. And Benson goes, oh, okay, 0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:34.680 but there's only a murphy bed and I didn't see 0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:34.960 a cot. 0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:35.760 Where do you sleep? 0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:38.279 Listen? I get that it's like expensive to live in 0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:41.000 New York and he's on a truck. A murphy bed 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:43.640 makes no sense. Why would it just be a murphy bed? 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:45.600 If you have a rich mommy in a trust, you 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:46.799 have a bed, you have a real bed. 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:48.600 Yeah, the Murphy Bed is weird. 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:51.880 I don't there there's no way he lives in a studio. 0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:53.880 And even if I just I don't buy. 0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:54.840 The Murphy Bed situation. 0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:57.279 Or maybe he's one of those rich kids that like 0:38:57.600 --> 0:38:59.680 you know, wants to pretend they're not. 0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:01.480 Yeah, I know a lot of those. 0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:03.879 Someone tweeted once I think it was Dwayne Perkins where 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:06.560 it's like I love seeing people's houses during Thanksgiving break 0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.200 like all these people who pretend they're poor, and then like, 0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:15.919 I'm sorry, is that an island in your kitchen? Benson's yeah, 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:19.239 why not get a hotel? Why not drive home? And 0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:21.319 I just thought to myself, like that is a level 0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:23.520 of rich I would really love to be. I would 0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.640 love to just I actually don't want to drive home. 0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:29.000 I'll get the hotel right here for the night. Like yeah, 0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:32.240 I would love that kind of disposable, expendable. 0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:34.680 But a woman like this could get a driver. I 0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:37.279 mean there's like so many ways she can get home. 0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:39.799 Like it's like, oh, I agree with you, but I'm 0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:42.040 just thinking about like nights where I'm out and you 0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:45.680 are like, yes, you know what, I'm just going to 0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:47.640 go grab a room at the Maritime Hotel. 0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:49.200 And want you guys just come back up and we'll 0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:50.120 hang out a little longer. 0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:53.040 Yeah, or like I'm not taking a new ber, I'm 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.279 getting a room. Like I just would love to be 0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:57.600 able to just stay in hotel rooms and not care 0:39:57.880 --> 0:39:59.200 about any price ever. 0:39:59.480 --> 0:39:59.719 Like that. 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:03.959 It's just awesome. So then Benson great line. She goes, 0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:06.959 what the hell did you do to your son? And 0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:09.360 mommy Dearis says, I don't like your question and I 0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:10.440 don't like your tone. 0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:11.440 Please leave. 0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:15.319 So back at the precinct, Houong is like jolly'sych boy. 0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:16.080 He's so pumped. 0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:18.560 He's like holding the hatpin trying to crack the case 0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:24.120 with Kragan six pins with corresponding complaints. And I think 0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:26.640 I didn't mention this, but every pin had a location 0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:31.160 labeled to it, and each of those locations correspond to 0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:32.760 a complaint of someone being. 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:35.600 Like someone pricked me out of nowhere. Yeah, well it happen. 0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:39.520 And he talks about Peakerism and he was just like pakaristic. 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:44.440 I can't believe I didn't see it, so you know pekarism. 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:48.160 I guess he gets excited stabbing women's flesh, and the 0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:50.680 happens were like the attacks were in the butt in 0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:53.200 the back, so not one can even id an attack her. 0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:57.120 So it like it works with the from the backshy 0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:01.680 moment type thing. So Stabler's now question Jason again, but 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:05.200 now about the happens. Benson arrives and Stabler acts like 0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:09.000 he hates her, and when she leaves, Stabler asks Jason, 0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:12.000 how long has your mother been sleeping with you? Rude? 0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:15.280 And then so Jason's like, what are you talking about? 0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:17.759 This is crazy and Stabler goes, she had no right 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:21.239 to touch you and abuse you. And Jason goes, you're crazy. 0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:24.279 And now he starts banging on the mirror and then 0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:26.239 he like he like tries to flip it back on 0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:28.840 Stabler like, you're you guys are gross? Is this what 0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:31.479 happens to the sex police? Just sex on the brain 0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:34.359 all the time? My mom never never touched me like that. 0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.400 And I really love this next shot so so much. 0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:40.359 I think we should take a screenshot. 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:42.360 Of this scene. I think it's so good just to remember. 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:47.680 But so Stabler like it's just like the direction of 0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:49.520 this is amazing. We have to look up the director, 0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:52.680 so like Stabler's in the background and then it's Jason 0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.280 right up onto the two way mirror banging and yelling, 0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:58.200 and then we see like like I don't know, like 0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:01.680 we're at an aquarium. Craig Benson in a super leaned 0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:04.440 and focused Kwang are like watching what's going on and 0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:07.879 it looks awesome, and Huang looks like what I look 0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:11.439 like when I'm at art museums, Like ooh, like, what's 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:13.879 like trying to be smarter than you are? I guess 0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:15.840 Kwang is smart. He as a PhD and works with 0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:19.480 the FBI. Okay, So Jason starts banging his head on 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:23.239 the mirror never never good, and he goes, shut the 0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:26.120 hell up, so we know he's cracking a little, and 0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:28.879 Jason goes that it's his fault that his mom would 0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:31.920 rape him. And then he slides down and starts putting 0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:34.839 his fingers in his mouth and licking them and truly like, 0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:36.520 how did he not win an Emmy for this? 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:41.000 This is Emmy territory actic. It's very very eerie and creepy. 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:44.320 Yeah, so he starts doing an act out impression psycho moment. 0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:46.759 His face looks like the new version of it, like 0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:49.600 that new actor like just creepy eyes and his tongues 0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:53.359 out and he's saying like, I'm a dirty boy. I 0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:55.520 can't keep my hands to myself. And then he keeps 0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:58.239 going back and forth doing what I assume is impressions 0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:00.680 of his mom. So it's like lying, boy, don't look, 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:02.799 oh look, don't touch no touch me. Oh yeah that 0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:05.800 feels good. No, come here, oh baby, no, that doesn't 0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:07.000 feel good. You're a good boy. 0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:09.359 Sh and then he shushes. 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:12.920 Like Blair Saint Clair the shimmysh Yeah, he does a 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:20.080 shimmy shush. And then the mom runs in after Jason's 0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:23.080 now like been handcuffed and like being walked around and 0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:25.759 like what have you done? Do you know what this 0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:28.759 will do to me? So this is a narcissist to 0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:31.240 not worry that her son might be a killer who's 0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:34.000 going to jail forever and like a rapist and a weirdo. 0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:35.799 It's like, look what you've done to me? 0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:40.280 Oh, and she calls him a filthy, lying bastard. 0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:42.240 So we get to the judge. 0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:45.680 Love this judge Margaret Berry played by Doris Black. She 0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:48.759 died in twenty eleven. Oh so we haven't had her 0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:51.480 in a while, but she is one of my favorites. 0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:53.120 And she was also in Sex and the City, one 0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:55.480 of my favorite shows. She was one of the Jews 0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:58.399 at the synagogue when Charlotte goes to the mixer and 0:43:58.440 --> 0:43:59.920 it's the same episode where Peter. 0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:02.680 Her isn't it And that's like the. 0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:05.479 Son that they're all setting up with, So a real 0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:09.560 sview Sex and the City crossover. And the episode is 0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:11.440 called a hop skip in a week, So I don't 0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:13.640 know if you remember that. It's what they go to 0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:16.440 Brooklyn the absolute hunk. But this judge is in that. 0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:21.000 And she's also my favorite movie Prime, which started my 0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:21.839 love of roth Cos. 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:24.959 Okay, Lisa, I have a fun fact for you, because yeah, 0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:27.680 we have to look up this director. Yeah, this episode 0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:32.399 was directed by Steve Schill and he not only directed this, 0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:36.160 but he directed the two episodes we just covered, Rooftop 0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:38.799 and Rapist Anonymous, and he's only done fourteen episodes of 0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:40.920 S few total, and he also directed a lot of Dexter. 0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:42.200 Yeah. 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:45.160 We were actually just looking him up this weekend. Yeah, 0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:46.799 and we're like, we need to get him because he's 0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:47.520 done The Wire. 0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:51.160 He's done like three episodes to say, oh that we 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:52.400 just covered, it's crazy. 0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:54.160 Yeah, yeah, we gotta get shown. 0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:57.279 Those are over multiple seasons. We're talking two thousand and 0:44:57.440 --> 0:44:59.320 two to twenty thirteen. 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:02.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I knew it was a great director. 0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:06.480 That shot is like so fucking good. Yeah, and you 0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:08.960 know now, so we're in the core. This is like 0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:13.480 the it's a it's kind of like SVU by the Numbers, 0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:17.000 Color by Numbers. Cabot wants her man. Defense attorney says, 0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:19.600 let him go. Cabot says he's rich. The other guy 0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:23.560 says objection, YadA, YadA, Bail said it a million. Then 0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:25.520 they go have more Legal four play in the whole 0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:30.600 way more arguing about stuff and basically the defense attorneys 0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:34.040 trying to throw away a bunch of evidence. Another classic 0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:36.920 judge moment. This is a judge that's been in eighteen 0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:42.520 episodes of SVU. Our mustache man Harvey Atkin is the 0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:45.120 actor's name, and it's Judge Allen Rendoir. 0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:46.799 I don't know. 0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:50.279 So basically, the confession is out since he did ask 0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:53.120 for a lawyer but didn't get one because Stabler wanted 0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:55.799 to play games and that, but the happens are in 0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:58.800 because it doesn't matter if you were looking for something 0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:00.920 and found something else. So I think it's crazy. The 0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:02.920 defense attorney tried to break it. It's like you were 0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:04.640 looking for a knife and it's like, yeah, and they 0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:08.680 found bloody happens. It stays yeah, nice try though, that's 0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:11.680 why you get paid the big bucks. Cabot said, I 0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:14.719 fucking warned you, Stabler who? And then Stabler's like whose side? 0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:17.360 Are you on your side? But you have to follow 0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:19.200 the rule. I just hate when they fight like this. 0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:22.680 I feel like a kid watching their parents about to 0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:23.920 get divorced or something. 0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:25.560 It's like, he did ask for a lawyer. 0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:29.800 You knew you were doing the wrong thing. Wangam says like, hey, 0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:33.000 I have a theory. There's a pattern. After the crimes. 0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:35.000 I think he goes to his mom's house in Jersey. 0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:37.320 The knife is there. We need to find the knife. 0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:41.080 The knife equals his penis. He is not disposing of it. 0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:45.439 So then Stabler calls everyone bottom feeding suits and it's 0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:48.239 like are the das making that much money? They work 0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:51.160 for the government, Like, I don't think they're that rich. 0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:55.360 So then they're begging to get a warrant to go 0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:57.920 to the Jersey house to look for this knife with 0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:00.800 the ADA and the ADA and one of the judges. 0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:04.719 They're frat bros. So they pull a favor and they 0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:08.000 go they get to search the house in Jersey and 0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:11.319 it's the you know, we already saw the mansion and 0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:13.759 I love this. Is there an official word for like 0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:17.319 when the two staircases become one where it's like they're 0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:18.600 down the side, but then. 0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:22.759 You're like an interior designer or something like a real 0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:25.160 estate agent. Let us know what that's called. I don't know. 0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:27.040 I'm Suna knows what. I think. 0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:30.320 It's called a combination stair that's not fun or fancies. 0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:34.840 A combination stairs, an architectural element founded traditional homes in 0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:37.759 North America where two sets of stairs merge into one 0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:38.560 at a landing. 0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:42.600 Yeah, it's like Titanic style, Like you know this if 0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:44.400 you have a house like this, this is where everyone 0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:47.560 took prom photos, you know what I mean. Yes, it's 0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:50.879 pretty amazing. And so they're entering. There's guns, they're trying 0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:53.239 to find it. What's going on? They enter the bedroom. 0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:57.080 One of the best scenes in SVU history. Oh my god, 0:47:57.400 --> 0:48:00.239 the mom is dead, knife on the night stand in 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.919 his shirtless. Everyone is naked. There's blood everywhere. He killed 0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:07.960 his fucking mom after probably fucking her. Okay, and he 0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:10.840 quotes I told her, I'm not a little boy anymore. 0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:15.400 And then that's how it ends, like a wild, bloody, 0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:18.080 naked incest ending of svo. 0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:21.000 Yeah, and he's like he's like touching her hair and 0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:24.319 it's bloody or it's like it's so creepy. It's like 0:48:24.360 --> 0:48:26.279 one of the creepiest scenes. And then it's just like 0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:28.960 fucking dick wolf. It's so nuts. Yeah. 0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:33.120 So it's an amazing episode, And yeah, I can't wait 0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:35.160 to hear more, Kara. 0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:38.560 The true crime is so insane. I cannot wait. 0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:43.080 Oh my, and more insane than happen Penis. Mommy, fucking 0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:44.320 this is amazing. 0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:46.120 Insane in different ways. There's just a lot of crazy 0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:48.359 elements in this next story, and I really can't wait 0:48:48.400 --> 0:49:02.799 to tell you about it. Hell yes, all right, so 0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:06.560 let's get into this. The story starts with a woman 0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:11.439 named Barbara Daily who grew up in Cambridge, Massachusetts. When 0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:15.359 she was eleven years old, her father died tragically by 0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:18.440 suicide from car like doing the carbon monoxide like car 0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:19.919 in the garage with the hose thing. 0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:23.000 Now, when I think of carbon monoxide, I just think 0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:24.719 of the midsommer. 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:28.239 I haven't seen that. Well, whoever has their happy I 0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:30.319 did my husband tell me the entire plot of it 0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:32.240 because I said it was too scared I would probably 0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:34.520 never see it, So you told me the whole plot. 0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:37.840 Well then, but I just didn't know about carbon monoxide. 0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:41.319 She basically puts on a gas mask of carbon monoxide 0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:46.120 straight into her and then kills her parents with the monoxide. 0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:49.360 But like gas, it's a fucked up scene. Trixie and 0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:51.279 Katiev talked about it and on and they make it 0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:55.040 really funny, but they can. 0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:58.759 Yeah, well, I don't know if I can make it 0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:02.120 as funny. But she heard her mother take the insurance money, 0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:04.439 which I didn't know that you got insurance money when 0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:06.799 you took your own life, but maybe you do, I guess. Yeah, 0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:10.880 Arthur Miller rules. Yeah. They moved to New York City 0:50:11.360 --> 0:50:13.640 and they live at the Delmonico Hotel, which I look 0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:15.920 up and it is currently Trump Park Avenue. 0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:16.280 Boo. 0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:21.600 Barbara is a truly chaotic woman. She's like young and beautiful. 0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:24.479 Living in New York City, she just becomes a social lite. 0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:26.360 Like I don't actually know if her family had any 0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:29.440 money beyond like all we all we really can find 0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:31.360 is that she had this insurance. Her mom had this 0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:33.760 insurance money, so I don't know she comes for money, 0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:37.000 but just being gorgeous and being kind of like eccentric, 0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:39.560 she just becomes this like New York socialite. She's dating 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:42.600 tons of rich dudes. She models briefly for Vogue and 0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:46.759 Harper's Bazaarre, so she's very beautiful. Like her mother, she 0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:49.880 also has issues with mental health and she saw a psychiatrist. 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:53.040 And then at one point she screen tested with this 0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:56.560 nineteen forties movie star named Dana Andrews, but acting was 0:50:56.560 --> 0:51:00.120 like obviously not her not her skill, but she did 0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:05.480 become friends with another aspiring actress named Cornelia Dickie Bakeland Bacerland. 0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:07.160 I don't know how you say the l was named Backerland. 0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:08.320 I think there. 0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:10.760 Are so many vowels that look crazy. 0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:13.319 In that name. Yeah yeah. And then this is how 0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:16.200 she meets Dicky's younger brother. First of all, I don't 0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:19.879 know why Cornelia's nickname is Dickie, Like, well, I don't 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:22.200 know where that came from. But this woman named Dickie 0:51:22.560 --> 0:51:25.680 has a younger brother named Brooks. So Brooks Bakeland is 0:51:26.080 --> 0:51:29.120 who Barbara meets and they fall in love or whatever. 0:51:29.200 --> 0:51:34.560 And now Dickie Bakeland and Brooks. Bakland are the grandchildren 0:51:34.560 --> 0:51:38.040 of Leo Bakeland, who is the inventor of Bacolte, which 0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:41.960 is moldable plastic. And Lisa, I don't know if you 0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:45.479 remember this, but earlier in the pandemic, when we were 0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:48.960 all jonesing for activities or anything to do, we did 0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:51.960 trivia with our friend Julia and our friend Meghan, and 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:55.319 Julia got a question right about bacolte. I'd never heard 0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:56.840 of it, but she's like, it's bake alite, and I 0:51:56.880 --> 0:51:59.600 was like, okay. And so apparently that reminds me of 0:51:59.680 --> 0:52:01.319 her now when I hear about it. So it's this 0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:04.160 multiple plastic. You could use it to make phones, radio 0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:07.759 is basically everything. So this man, Leo Bakelund, was rich 0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:10.919 as hell, and then all of his generations after him 0:52:10.960 --> 0:52:13.440 just had all this inherited wealth from him. So Brooks 0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:16.759 is like this lazy ass rich kid. One article I 0:52:16.920 --> 0:52:19.920 read talked about them as a couple, Brooks and Barbara, 0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:21.840 and was like he was a writer who never wrote. 0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:24.160 She was a painter who could not paint. Like they 0:52:24.200 --> 0:52:27.080 imagine themselves as these very like interesting artists, and like 0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:30.040 they actually did not produce anything and I feel like 0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:31.600 I know a lot of rich people that are like this. 0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:36.120 Barbara tells Brooks that she is pregnant, which she is not, 0:52:36.520 --> 0:52:39.759 and they get married. So that's the kind of life 0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:43.680 she's living, is false pregnancies two lore men into marriage, 0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:45.880 so they get a quickie marriage in California. Then they 0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:48.800 live on the Upper East Side in a fancy apartment. 0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:51.920 They have epic dinner parties with guests like Greta Garbo 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:55.560 Tennessee Williams. They're like in society in New York, Okay. 0:52:56.280 --> 0:53:00.120 Barbara earns a reputation for being unstable and prone to 0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:04.560 root outbursts, and she suffers from bouts of severe depression. 0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:08.120 I mean, I'm sort of getting the Kristin Johnson character 0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:11.480 from New York is dead and falling out the window. 0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:13.520 I'm sort of getting like that sex and the city 0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:16.279 vibe from this woman. Like she's just like acting out 0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:18.440 at parties and seems like the kind of woman that's like, 0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:20.440 you know, we'll start a fight with her husband in 0:53:20.440 --> 0:53:22.120 the middle of a restaurant or something and throw a 0:53:22.120 --> 0:53:24.719 glass of water. She definitely would be on The Housewives 0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:27.799 in the nineteen fifties or sixties. This bitch is a 0:53:27.840 --> 0:53:31.520 real housewife of New York for sure. She drank heavily, 0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:34.200 and both her and Brooks had constant affairs. They were 0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:36.719 both I mean, like apparently she would get very set 0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:39.080 off by his affairs, but she was also having affairs. 0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:41.759 So obviously, what do you do when you're living this 0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:45.000 chaotic lifestyle. You bring a child into the world. She 0:53:45.280 --> 0:53:48.680 and Brooks had a son named Antony in nineteen forty six, 0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:52.040 so they live in New York. But then when Antony 0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:54.600 is eight, the family really starts like living like full 0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:57.000 cartoon characters, Like they keep their New York City place, 0:53:57.040 --> 0:53:59.680 but they bounce around Europe, like renting villas and houses 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:04.440 in life in Paris, Italy, Zermatt, cap Duntee, but like 0:54:04.480 --> 0:54:07.040 these places that are hard to pronounce. They're just bouncing 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:11.560 all around and like living this lifestyle of luxury, and 0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:13.560 Barbara and Brooks just kind of like live the life 0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:17.600 they entertain. They have affairs. Whatever money is poison, Really 0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:20.680 being rich is poison, Okay. So at one point Brooks 0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:23.920 tried to leave Barbara for a younger woman, but she 0:54:24.760 --> 0:54:27.880 Barbara attempted suicide and he broke the relationship off with 0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:30.040 the other woman, and she does this multiple times. She 0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:33.839 constantly like sort of plays the I will attempt suicide card, 0:54:33.920 --> 0:54:37.480 and she does do that many times. So something I 0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:40.160 read said that Barbara would like smother Tony with attention 0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:42.239 and then ship them off to boarding schools like all 0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:44.680 over Europe. So I think there was like weird. They 0:54:44.719 --> 0:54:47.240 both thought that Tony was going to be this really 0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:50.399 really outstanding person and like be very talented, and he 0:54:50.520 --> 0:54:54.200 kind of wasn't, and I don't know if that affected 0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:58.000 their relationships with him. But in nineteen sixty seven, when 0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:01.359 Tony was twenty, the family was based in Switzerland and 0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:05.720 Antony was at a Spanish resort of Kadoc or Sadac. 0:55:05.760 --> 0:55:06.920 I don't know how you say this. It becomes with 0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:10.480 a C, but I think it's Kadoc. He meets Jake Cooper, 0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:14.720 an Australian man and who introduces Antony to hallucinogenic drugs 0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:17.879 and the two start an affair. So Antony is gay 0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:21.200 and Barbara is not okay with that. She drives to 0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:24.360 Spain to bring Antony back to Switzerland, but at the 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:27.200 border he doesn't have his passport. She obviously makes a 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:30.680 huge scene because she's that girl and her and her 0:55:30.680 --> 0:55:32.880 son are both arrested and put in jail. So like, 0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:36.839 everything is so bonkers with these people. The following year, 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:40.160 apparently she has a little bit more accepted his relationship 0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:42.760 with Jake, but is still pushing him to like explore 0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:45.640 relationships with women. And he had brought home a French 0:55:45.680 --> 0:55:48.799 girl named Sylvie for the weekend, and so she's kind 0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:51.760 of pushing that relationship, like, oh, like, let's get with Sylvie. 0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:54.440 Plot twist, Sylvie starts having an affair with her husband 0:55:54.480 --> 0:55:58.480 Brooks okay this time. When Barbara finds out about it, 0:55:58.520 --> 0:56:01.040 she also attempts suicide again, but this time Brooks is like, 0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:03.080 I'm done with this and files for divorce and he 0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:05.400 marries Sylvie and they have a child and then they 0:56:05.440 --> 0:56:09.000 eventually get divorced too. This is just a fun little tidbit. 0:56:09.320 --> 0:56:12.239 In nineteen sixty nine, Barbera meets pop art curator and 0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:15.239 director Samuel Adams Green and she has an affair with him, 0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:17.520 and he's like friends with Andy Warhol. He's like huge 0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:19.840 and like the pop art scene, and he breaks it 0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:22.439 off after six weeks, but Barbara's fully obsessed with him, 0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:27.440 and allegedly she walked across Central Park in the snow, barefoot, 0:56:27.760 --> 0:56:30.799 wearing only a Lynx fur coat, and to demand to 0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:34.680 be let into his apartment. I just think that's iconic, 0:56:34.880 --> 0:56:37.480 rich lady. Crazy, it is, but it's like you could 0:56:37.480 --> 0:56:41.480 put on shoes. I know, I know. But now let's 0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:44.680 get back to Tony. So, as a young man, Anthony 0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:48.200 displayed signs of schizophrenia with paranoid tendencies, and he was 0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:51.920 eventually diagnosed with schizophrenia, but at first his father refused 0:56:51.960 --> 0:56:54.279 to allow him to be treated by psychiatrists because the 0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:58.520 father thought that psychiatry was professionally a moral So the 0:56:58.600 --> 0:57:02.520 father just like doesn't agree with psychiatry. He's a real stabler. 0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:06.200 So now flash forward to the summer from his youth 0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:08.920 to the summer of nineteen sixty eight. Right after his parents' divorce, 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:13.440 Barbara and Tony become extremely clingy and codependent, people say, 0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:17.200 and Barbara, in an attempt to quote unquote fix her 0:57:17.240 --> 0:57:21.520 son's homosexuality, starts hiring sex workers to sleep with him. 0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:26.760 When that doesn't work, it is believed that Barbara raped Tony. 0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:29.400 So at this point, yeah, he's twenty years old and 0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:31.360 his mother is having sex with him to try to 0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:35.520 fix his homosexuality. In her words, there's no fixing homosexuality 0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:38.440 because it is not a problem. In July of nineteen 0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:42.000 seventy two, okay, so this is four years later, he 0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:44.840 tried to throw his mother into traffic in London outside 0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:48.320 of her penthouse, but literally didn't succeed because he wasn't 0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:53.240 strong enough. And then he was arrested for attempted murder 0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:56.360 for that, but his mom didn't press charges, okay, And 0:57:56.400 --> 0:57:59.320 then he was admitted to a private's like Yactric Hospital, 0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:02.520 but released. And after he started seeing a psychiatrist while 0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:07.120 living at home with his mother, and the psychiatrist warned Barbara, quote, 0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:10.000 your son is going to kill you. I think you're 0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:15.080 at grave risk, and she responded, I don't, so she 0:58:15.240 --> 0:58:18.240 thought he's not capable murder. She waved him off. Two 0:58:18.280 --> 0:58:21.600 weeks after the psychiatrist had that conversation with her. On 0:58:21.640 --> 0:58:24.880 November seventeenth of nineteen seventy two, Antony, aged twenty five, 0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:27.440 murdered his fifty one year old mother by stabbing her 0:58:27.440 --> 0:58:32.040 with a kitchen knife, killing her almost instantly. So similar 0:58:32.040 --> 0:58:33.560 to the episode, I don't think he had a full 0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:37.960 pegaristic problem, but you know, when the police arrived. This 0:58:38.000 --> 0:58:41.160 is bizarre. Antony was on the phone ordering Chinese food 0:58:41.200 --> 0:58:45.160 like nothing ever happened, like completely unfazed. I mean, murder 0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:45.880 is exhausting. 0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:49.680 I understand wanting some rice after you want some General 0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:51.360 So's chicken right after you kill your mom. 0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:51.800 For sure. 0:58:52.920 --> 0:58:56.919 Anthony was institutionalized at England's high security psychiatric hospital called 0:58:56.960 --> 0:59:02.200 Broadmore until nineteen eighty when his influential friends and family 0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:04.680 like fought for his release. So he did eight years 0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:08.400 in a psych hospital and then was released. This story 0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:11.640 does not stop. After he gets released from Broadmoor. He 0:59:11.720 --> 0:59:15.560 immediately he's thirty three years old, now, Anthony, he immediately 0:59:15.560 --> 0:59:17.600 flies to New York City to stay way way way, 0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:21.160 way way. So he only served eight years, eight years 0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:24.680 because he got a psychiatric he probably got sent you know, 0:59:25.240 --> 0:59:27.320 I don't know, because it happened in England, so I 0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:29.160 think their law system is a little different. But he 0:59:29.160 --> 0:59:32.560 obviously got some kind of reason of insanity defense was 0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:36.280 put in a hospital, and then like the hospital released 0:59:36.320 --> 0:59:39.840 him because his influential friends and family were like lobbying 0:59:39.880 --> 0:59:42.280 for him. So yeah, it is kind of nuts that 0:59:42.320 --> 0:59:44.920 he would just be let out. Because here's what happens. Next, 0:59:45.320 --> 0:59:47.720 he flies directly to New York City to stay with 0:59:47.760 --> 0:59:50.440 his eighty seven year old maternal grandmother. So his mother's 0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:54.160 mother named Ninie Daily or it's Ni Ni Niani nine nine. 0:59:54.240 --> 0:59:56.600 I don't know, yeah, but isn't she mad that this 0:59:56.680 --> 1:00:01.040 guy killed her daughter? I mean, she's probably like he's sick. 1:00:01.560 --> 1:00:01.800 You know. 1:00:02.240 --> 1:00:05.520 I don't know. So he apparently builds a sort of 1:00:05.640 --> 1:00:09.920 creepy shrine to his dead mother and mumbled satanic masses 1:00:09.960 --> 1:00:12.880 over her ashes. That's where what I read in one place, 1:00:12.960 --> 1:00:17.440 So who knows. And then six days after his release, 1:00:17.920 --> 1:00:20.640 he attacked his grandmother with a kitchen knife, stabbing her 1:00:20.680 --> 1:00:23.720 eight times and breaking several of her bones because apparently 1:00:23.760 --> 1:00:27.640 she was nagging him quote unquote a surprise twist, she 1:00:27.720 --> 1:00:30.640 did survive. He was arrested by the NYPD in charge 1:00:30.640 --> 1:00:33.760 with attempted murder and sent to Rikers. He was in 1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:37.040 Rikers for eight months of assessment by their psychiatric people. 1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:40.560 He was expecting to be released on bail on March 1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:43.000 twentieth of nineteen eighty one. So he goes to court 1:00:43.280 --> 1:00:45.920 expecting to be let out on bail, and the judge 1:00:46.440 --> 1:00:49.000 sort of like postpone in the case a little bit 1:00:49.000 --> 1:00:51.400 because his medical records had not been transferred from the 1:00:51.520 --> 1:00:53.840 UK yet. It's nineteen eighty one. There's no email, maybe 1:00:53.880 --> 1:00:56.040 there's faxing, but they don't have the medical records yet. 1:00:56.520 --> 1:00:58.960 So Anthony returns to his cell at three point thirty 1:00:59.120 --> 1:01:01.600 on that same day, and thirty minutes later he's found 1:01:01.640 --> 1:01:06.000 dead by suffocating from a plastic bag. So he literally 1:01:06.920 --> 1:01:10.280 was just like enraged that his trial was delayed and 1:01:10.640 --> 1:01:15.000 killed himself by a plastic bag, which is that's sheer determination, 1:01:15.120 --> 1:01:18.880 I feel like. And that is the end of that story. 1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:21.960 A book was published called Savage Grace, The True Story 1:01:22.000 --> 1:01:24.880 of Fatal Relations in a rich and famous American Family, 1:01:24.960 --> 1:01:27.480 and then in two thousand and seven there was a 1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:30.960 movie called Savage Grace with Julian Moore playing Barbara and 1:01:31.080 --> 1:01:35.000 Eddie Redmain playing Anthony, and I would watch it. Never 1:01:35.040 --> 1:01:37.240 heard of it. I would love to watch it. This 1:01:37.400 --> 1:01:41.520 is a wild case. Yeah, you prefaced it by really 1:01:42.160 --> 1:01:46.800 is wild. And in the movie, Hugh Dancy, who is 1:01:46.960 --> 1:01:50.320 married to Claire Danes, if I'm not mistaken, plays the 1:01:50.480 --> 1:01:52.320 art guy, the pop art guy that she had the 1:01:52.320 --> 1:01:54.480 affair with, and in the movie they have a threesome 1:01:54.520 --> 1:01:56.920 the mother, the son, and him, and he released a 1:01:56.960 --> 1:01:59.320 statement when the movie came out being like that absolutely 1:01:59.360 --> 1:02:02.120 didn't happen. And he also said that he didn't think 1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:04.480 that Barbara had sex with her son or excuse me, 1:02:05.080 --> 1:02:08.880 raped her son, because he thought that she just liked 1:02:08.880 --> 1:02:12.760 to shock people. But everyone else seems to think this 1:02:12.800 --> 1:02:17.800 is what happened. Damn, pretty wild. Rich people have a 1:02:17.840 --> 1:02:18.800 lot of problems. 1:02:20.480 --> 1:02:23.560 I can't wait to see who our guest is because 1:02:24.440 --> 1:02:27.320 this was a great episode. Thanks Kara for taking us 1:02:27.320 --> 1:02:28.720 through this wild crime. 1:02:29.320 --> 1:02:29.920 You're welcome. 1:02:30.120 --> 1:02:32.280 That was really interesting. I'd never even heard about this 1:02:32.360 --> 1:02:34.440 at all, and so I'm really. 1:02:34.600 --> 1:02:37.160 Well, this was like written down. This was not on 1:02:37.240 --> 1:02:39.360 any lists as being based on anything. And then a 1:02:39.520 --> 1:02:41.720 listener was like, I'm pretty sure you guys have to 1:02:41.720 --> 1:02:43.800 do peek. I'm pretty sure it's based on the bakelends. 1:02:43.840 --> 1:02:46.560 Like I mean, it really sounds like it has to 1:02:46.600 --> 1:02:49.240 be like even lightly based, you know. 1:02:49.320 --> 1:02:52.920 Now I feel very much like Bill Hayter's character Stefan, 1:02:53.040 --> 1:02:55.600 where I'm like this this murder has everything. 1:02:55.720 --> 1:03:00.400 We had, our grandmother, money, ear app you know, pushing 1:03:00.400 --> 1:03:02.360 and pushing your mom into traffic in London. 1:03:02.600 --> 1:03:08.040 Andy Warhol. It's like a very glamorous crime but creep creep, 1:03:07.800 --> 1:03:09.240 creep creepy for sure. 1:03:16.440 --> 1:03:20.440 All Right, I am beyond thrilled for our next guest. 1:03:20.840 --> 1:03:24.360 He is an Emmy winning actor. You've seen him on 1:03:24.800 --> 1:03:28.200 Er Melrose Place, twenty four, Pretty Little Liar, Supergirl, and 1:03:28.320 --> 1:03:33.840 he's also an enormous television director. He's directed tons of shows. Uh, Supergirl, 1:03:34.320 --> 1:03:37.880 what's the one? My husband likes? The flash Bones, Life 1:03:37.880 --> 1:03:40.840 and Pieces. But you guys know him as Jason Mayberry. 1:03:41.640 --> 1:03:45.360 On this week's episode, please welcome Chadlow. 1:03:46.640 --> 1:03:50.440 We're beyond This is one of the most requested episodes 1:03:50.440 --> 1:03:53.960 we've gotten from the listeners. I'm one of the favorites. 1:03:54.000 --> 1:03:57.960 We can't believe we're talking to you. And then I 1:03:58.000 --> 1:03:59.720 don't want to bury the lead. We got to just 1:03:59.760 --> 1:04:02.520 talk at the blood scene. I'm right off the top 1:04:02.640 --> 1:04:04.200 or she. 1:04:04.240 --> 1:04:05.720 Was like, we got to just dive in with how 1:04:05.720 --> 1:04:07.920 this is like one of the craziest episode endings of 1:04:07.960 --> 1:04:10.560 all time, just like you in bed with your mom 1:04:10.680 --> 1:04:11.800 covered in blood, Like. 1:04:11.880 --> 1:04:14.120 Oh, there's a whole story behind that. 1:04:14.360 --> 1:04:15.440 Oh oh yes. 1:04:15.920 --> 1:04:19.280 But first off, you guys are hilarious and I love 1:04:19.280 --> 1:04:20.160 that you're doing this. 1:04:20.160 --> 1:04:22.800 This is this is such a great podcast. It's so fun. 1:04:22.840 --> 1:04:25.520 I've been down you I've been I've been listening and 1:04:26.240 --> 1:04:29.160 it must I mean, you know, there's how many eighteen 1:04:29.240 --> 1:04:31.360 years of episodes. 1:04:30.840 --> 1:04:34.680 To twenty two seasons? They're a twenty two second season. 1:04:34.560 --> 1:04:38.880 Right, that's right. Yeah, it's like, isn't this the record? 1:04:39.080 --> 1:04:42.480 Is this the record for dramas series for longest running? 1:04:42.640 --> 1:04:45.360 I think for longest running, like yeah, live actions. I 1:04:45.360 --> 1:04:48.040 know the Simpsons and stuff has been on longer, but like, yeah, 1:04:48.120 --> 1:04:49.480 for it's pretty crazy. 1:04:49.680 --> 1:04:51.960 The Simpsons has been on for seventy eight years. 1:04:54.280 --> 1:04:57.280 I'm a Simpsons girl. Look, I have a Simpsons tarot 1:04:57.320 --> 1:04:57.919 deck right here. 1:04:58.360 --> 1:05:01.640 They're the best, you know. I did an episode of Bones. 1:05:01.720 --> 1:05:04.320 I digress. I know this isn't the Bones podcast, but 1:05:05.440 --> 1:05:07.560 you guys will add it stuff out right that you 1:05:07.560 --> 1:05:07.960 don't like. 1:05:09.400 --> 1:05:12.000 If this Bone scoop is good, we'll leave it now. 1:05:12.160 --> 1:05:12.440 It was. 1:05:14.160 --> 1:05:16.520 I did an episode where we had it was when 1:05:16.680 --> 1:05:19.840 they were celebrating I think the thirtieth season or twentieth 1:05:19.920 --> 1:05:23.840 fifth season of the Simpsons, and they had all of 1:05:23.880 --> 1:05:27.160 the Fox programming had some Simpson's reference in it. So 1:05:27.200 --> 1:05:29.480 in Bones we had like a little East egg. They 1:05:29.520 --> 1:05:31.200 call it where if you look closer, you could see 1:05:31.200 --> 1:05:35.320 Homer Simpson's X ray of his skull and it was empty. 1:05:35.480 --> 1:05:38.880 Obviously there's no brain. And then I had I had 1:05:38.880 --> 1:05:42.840 an episode where Dan who plays Homer, the voice of Homer. 1:05:43.280 --> 1:05:44.920 Dan's last name. 1:05:44.840 --> 1:05:48.040 Is Castella or castellatas something like that. 1:05:48.160 --> 1:05:49.680 He played a guest star. 1:05:49.800 --> 1:05:52.840 He played a cop on an episode of Bones, and 1:05:53.000 --> 1:05:56.160 it was amazing because you would ever know he was 1:05:56.200 --> 1:05:59.080 the voice of Homer Simpson at all. And he was 1:05:59.280 --> 1:06:01.760 very quiet, and we were all like, you know, who's 1:06:01.800 --> 1:06:03.479 going to ask him to do Homer's voice? 1:06:03.520 --> 1:06:04.320 Who's going to do it? 1:06:04.480 --> 1:06:06.440 And we were told, you know, he doesn't. Really, It's like, 1:06:06.880 --> 1:06:09.280 I'm sure he gets asked that every single day. So finally, 1:06:09.280 --> 1:06:11.360 at the end of the of the shoot, I think 1:06:11.480 --> 1:06:13.720 our first assistant director finally went out to him and 1:06:13.800 --> 1:06:17.120 just slyly said something like donuts, what don't they do? 1:06:18.480 --> 1:06:20.240 That was my worst That was not Homer. That was 1:06:20.280 --> 1:06:21.120 a really bad Homer. 1:06:21.320 --> 1:06:24.320 But anyway, Dan kind of smiled and laughed and I 1:06:24.360 --> 1:06:26.720 forget what he said, but it was a perfect Homer 1:06:26.840 --> 1:06:29.880 Simpson voice, and it was like such a gift to 1:06:30.000 --> 1:06:30.520 hear that. 1:06:30.800 --> 1:06:34.680 It was so cool, I'm a human being. It was 1:06:34.720 --> 1:06:36.960 like it was it was it was Homer in the flesh. 1:06:37.000 --> 1:06:39.040 It was pretty incredible, And I thought, how about a 1:06:39.040 --> 1:06:41.280 great superpower to like go to Starbucks and order a 1:06:41.360 --> 1:06:44.120 drink in the voice of Homer Simpson. That must be fun, 1:06:44.240 --> 1:06:47.840 like a great party trick to have. But Peek, if 1:06:47.880 --> 1:06:50.120 I'm not mistaken, is the is the title of the 1:06:50.240 --> 1:06:54.080 of the episode that we're discussing currently. 1:06:54.280 --> 1:06:56.800 Yeah, so what's the story? 1:06:57.040 --> 1:06:59.400 Well, I had to I did not know what peak 1:06:59.400 --> 1:07:02.680 arism was was until I was cast in this role 1:07:02.760 --> 1:07:06.520 and I wanted to do some research. And the first 1:07:06.600 --> 1:07:08.840 question I had was, okay, so what is peakarism? And 1:07:08.960 --> 1:07:11.600 the way it was explained to me was like a 1:07:11.720 --> 1:07:18.360 sexual obsession with needles and like puncturing stabbing, And I 1:07:18.400 --> 1:07:20.640 was like, okay, that's enough. I don't even know any 1:07:20.640 --> 1:07:24.000 more than that this is this is more bizarre and 1:07:24.040 --> 1:07:27.720 twisted than I then than it even is on the page. 1:07:28.360 --> 1:07:34.520 But the end scene was interesting because we actually reshot 1:07:34.600 --> 1:07:35.160 that ending. 1:07:35.320 --> 1:07:39.280 Really Yeah, so as the. 1:07:39.240 --> 1:07:43.000 Story goes, I can't divulge all of it because there's 1:07:43.040 --> 1:07:46.520 a really great story behind the story, which I'm grad 1:07:46.640 --> 1:07:48.800 I would get in big trouble if I were to 1:07:48.920 --> 1:07:51.400 tell I know, I'm sorry to tease like that, but 1:07:51.480 --> 1:07:54.600 what what what ended up happening was the end of 1:07:54.640 --> 1:07:57.840 the episode was scripted that and if I'm not mistaken 1:07:57.880 --> 1:08:00.880 the characters, my character's name was Jason A. Berry, I 1:08:01.000 --> 1:08:04.920 believe the end of the episode. This is the spoiler alert. 1:08:04.960 --> 1:08:06.800 If you haven't seen the episode. 1:08:06.360 --> 1:08:09.040 No, they mostly have listened. If they're listening to this 1:08:09.120 --> 1:08:10.400 far into our podcasts. 1:08:10.600 --> 1:08:14.040 Yes, if they're listening here, they've seen the episode. So I, Uh, 1:08:14.720 --> 1:08:16.880 Jason ends up and I and I don't even want 1:08:16.880 --> 1:08:19.320 to say I because it's so bizarre and dark and 1:08:19.400 --> 1:08:24.720 so twisted. Jason me, the actor playing Jason, ends up 1:08:24.800 --> 1:08:28.800 having post coital with his dead mother in a bed. 1:08:28.720 --> 1:08:29.960 Covered in her blood. 1:08:30.520 --> 1:08:33.920 Uh, And it was scripted that I the character was 1:08:33.920 --> 1:08:37.320 was you know, naked basically, but you know it's network television, 1:08:37.400 --> 1:08:40.040 so that naked means you know, you're going to have 1:08:40.080 --> 1:08:44.120 your shirt off. And but there was a long discussion 1:08:44.200 --> 1:08:46.960 on the day about whether or not we would be 1:08:47.000 --> 1:08:47.760 able to get that. 1:08:47.680 --> 1:08:50.760 By standards and practices for you. 1:08:50.720 --> 1:08:53.600 Know, the judge, the judge and jury of what is 1:08:53.800 --> 1:08:57.439 appropriate and acceptable right for the audience I don't know 1:08:57.479 --> 1:09:01.519 who they are, but we were concerned earned that if 1:09:01.560 --> 1:09:05.599 we actually filmed it with me being, you know, semi 1:09:05.600 --> 1:09:08.080 clad with my shirt off, whether or not it would 1:09:08.080 --> 1:09:11.800 actually be able to air. So the choice was made 1:09:11.840 --> 1:09:14.760 to put me in a white T shirt on the day, 1:09:15.439 --> 1:09:18.920 which was not as scripted, and so put me in 1:09:18.920 --> 1:09:22.479 a white T shirt. And there I was laying in 1:09:22.520 --> 1:09:26.880 bed with Margo Kidder, who played I mean I mean 1:09:26.920 --> 1:09:30.360 an Icon, and they are, you know, putting all the 1:09:30.400 --> 1:09:32.519 fake blood all over me, and I'm trying to psych 1:09:32.640 --> 1:09:35.120 myself up for this really dark moment. And we shot 1:09:35.160 --> 1:09:39.760 it and I remember Marishka Hargitate kind of and and 1:09:39.880 --> 1:09:43.040 Chris Maloney both kind of looking at me like wow, 1:09:43.080 --> 1:09:45.640 that was that was really dark and really bizarre, but 1:09:45.680 --> 1:09:46.200 we love it. 1:09:46.520 --> 1:09:47.640 And so I was feeling. 1:09:47.320 --> 1:09:51.400 Really really good about it, and then finished the episode. 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:54.120 And you know what was interesting is I was also 1:09:54.120 --> 1:09:55.840 at the same time I got to do I was 1:09:55.880 --> 1:10:01.200 in a movie called Unfaithful with Richard Gear and Diane Lane, 1:10:01.280 --> 1:10:03.920 and so I started shooting and I was a small 1:10:04.000 --> 1:10:06.400 role in that movie, but I started shooting that movie. 1:10:06.800 --> 1:10:09.640 I did one scene in that movie, and then like 1:10:09.680 --> 1:10:13.120 a month later, I did this episode of Lawn or 1:10:13.240 --> 1:10:16.880 SVU finished it, went back and did a little bit 1:10:16.920 --> 1:10:17.559 more work on. 1:10:19.120 --> 1:10:19.680 Unfaithful. 1:10:20.320 --> 1:10:22.839 About three months later, I think I got a call 1:10:23.640 --> 1:10:25.320 and I was still working on un Faithful, which shows 1:10:25.320 --> 1:10:27.559 you the difference between how network television and a film 1:10:27.640 --> 1:10:30.000 is done. Like network television you get like eight to 1:10:30.040 --> 1:10:32.280 ten days to film an episode, and this feature film 1:10:32.320 --> 1:10:33.360 took like four months. 1:10:33.520 --> 1:10:34.400 It was so crazy. 1:10:35.439 --> 1:10:39.280 And they called me and said, listen, you need are 1:10:39.320 --> 1:10:41.479 you available? Are you in New York? And I was 1:10:41.520 --> 1:10:43.760 living in New York City at the time, said are 1:10:43.760 --> 1:10:48.320 you available? They want to reshoot something. I wasn't even 1:10:48.360 --> 1:10:51.160 sure what on the SVU episode that you did. And 1:10:51.200 --> 1:10:56.280 I thought, like, I love acting and I'm always excited 1:10:56.320 --> 1:10:58.800 anytime I have the opportunity to get to act. 1:10:58.800 --> 1:11:00.799 So I was like, yeah, I'm available, well and I'm excited. 1:11:01.000 --> 1:11:02.599 I didn't know yet what it was we were going 1:11:02.640 --> 1:11:07.439 to be reshooting, and so you know, there we are, 1:11:07.479 --> 1:11:10.519 like a week later in this New New Jersey mansion 1:11:10.600 --> 1:11:13.640 where we had shot the ending, and I'm told, you know, 1:11:13.680 --> 1:11:14.080 we have to. 1:11:14.000 --> 1:11:17.160 Reshoot the ending. I'm thinking, why are we reshooting ending? 1:11:17.200 --> 1:11:20.920 It was everybody seemed so happy with how twisted and 1:11:21.120 --> 1:11:24.000 dark it was, and I wasn't really sure I wanted 1:11:24.000 --> 1:11:26.519 to go back to that place emotionally as an actor, 1:11:26.800 --> 1:11:29.439 because it's really it's really uncomfortable if you if you 1:11:29.479 --> 1:11:33.160 really go there, it's really uncomfortable. And I was told 1:11:33.360 --> 1:11:36.240 that there was a very heated conversation. This is all 1:11:36.320 --> 1:11:40.120 I will say. There was apparently a very heated conversation 1:11:40.720 --> 1:11:44.200 that happened behind the scenes about the validity of the 1:11:44.320 --> 1:11:48.280 character having had sex and killing his mother wearing a 1:11:48.280 --> 1:11:54.120 T shirt. 1:11:54.600 --> 1:11:57.080 So I met Dick Wolf himself was like, it would 1:11:57.120 --> 1:11:57.759 never happen. 1:11:58.160 --> 1:12:00.639 You know, we need to shoot no names. 1:12:00.760 --> 1:12:04.360 I'm not sure of who or how or when this 1:12:04.400 --> 1:12:05.519 conversation went down. 1:12:05.880 --> 1:12:09.760 Wow, So what we see is like months later, you 1:12:09.960 --> 1:12:12.519 just hopping back into this wild character. 1:12:12.760 --> 1:12:13.320 Wow. 1:12:13.600 --> 1:12:17.200 Months months later, and I'm thinking, wow, I don't. And 1:12:17.240 --> 1:12:19.720 it's always hard when you feel good about you know. 1:12:19.960 --> 1:12:21.640 One of the hard things when you're an actor is 1:12:21.640 --> 1:12:24.280 when you go into audition for something and you feel 1:12:24.280 --> 1:12:27.080 really good, like you nailed it, and then lo and behold. 1:12:27.160 --> 1:12:29.559 You know, there's rare opportunities you actually get the job, 1:12:30.320 --> 1:12:33.519 and then that scene you audition for comes up and 1:12:33.560 --> 1:12:36.639 you have to actually perform that scene, you never feel 1:12:36.640 --> 1:12:38.040 like you did it as well as you did in 1:12:38.040 --> 1:12:41.800 the audition ever, Right, So I felt that way about this. 1:12:42.439 --> 1:12:45.080 I felt like this ending wasn't as good. I wasn't 1:12:45.080 --> 1:12:48.080 as good an actor in this ending, and I felt 1:12:48.120 --> 1:12:52.200 like it just didn't have the same kind of darkness 1:12:52.240 --> 1:12:53.920 and I don't and I just didn't feel like I 1:12:53.960 --> 1:12:55.479 was in it as much as I had been. 1:12:55.800 --> 1:12:58.240 But I have to say when I saw it, I didn't. 1:12:58.520 --> 1:12:59.880 I didn't feel that. 1:13:01.320 --> 1:13:04.160 Yeah, I was gonna say, like, having watched it, it's 1:13:04.280 --> 1:13:06.719 dark as hell. And I can't imagine what your original 1:13:06.760 --> 1:13:09.840 performance in the T shirt was like, because like I 1:13:09.880 --> 1:13:13.639 always remember, like having seen this episode like multiple times 1:13:13.680 --> 1:13:16.000 over the years, I just like always remember that last 1:13:16.040 --> 1:13:18.200 scene with you being like I'm a big boy now 1:13:18.240 --> 1:13:20.360 I'm not a little boy anymore or whatever, and it's 1:13:20.360 --> 1:13:21.639 like so scary. 1:13:21.760 --> 1:13:25.599 Well, one of the other uncomfortable scenes is when you're 1:13:25.600 --> 1:13:28.240 in the interrogation and you start putting your fingers in 1:13:28.280 --> 1:13:28.759 your mouth. 1:13:29.280 --> 1:13:29.920 Do you remember that. 1:13:30.000 --> 1:13:33.200 Was that a directorial decision or was that a personal decision? 1:13:34.800 --> 1:13:37.840 You have this like I'm a bad boy monologue thing. 1:13:38.000 --> 1:13:42.880 Yes, So I remember it very well, you know, those 1:13:44.040 --> 1:13:46.680 opportunities are so rare as an actor to get to 1:13:46.720 --> 1:13:49.519 play something that's so rich, and I mean, I love 1:13:49.600 --> 1:13:52.320 that stuff. I love getting to play characters like this. 1:13:52.360 --> 1:13:54.320 In fact, this is this character is one of my 1:13:54.360 --> 1:13:57.519 favorite characters I've ever had the chance to play. He 1:13:57.600 --> 1:14:01.000 was so complicated and so bizarre and and you know, 1:14:01.520 --> 1:14:05.080 I mean, I'm not really a method actor, because method 1:14:05.160 --> 1:14:09.799 has been It's not as it's misunderstood. Really, I think method, 1:14:09.800 --> 1:14:13.000 but at least kind of sense memory and trying to 1:14:13.000 --> 1:14:16.840 bring things up from your personal life that you can 1:14:16.880 --> 1:14:19.680 apply to the scene is some of the work that 1:14:19.760 --> 1:14:23.960 I do. So you know, what I related to in 1:14:24.040 --> 1:14:29.559 that moment was was just wanting that feeling that we 1:14:29.640 --> 1:14:31.880 all have, I think at some point in our lives 1:14:31.880 --> 1:14:35.920 where we feel like we've really grown up, you know, 1:14:35.960 --> 1:14:36.800 and we feel like. 1:14:37.080 --> 1:14:38.600 We can stand on our own two feet. And this 1:14:38.640 --> 1:14:39.280 is now, this is. 1:14:39.200 --> 1:14:43.880 Twisted because it was really strange circumstances, But I thought, 1:14:43.920 --> 1:14:46.640 you know, in my own personal life, I feel like 1:14:47.040 --> 1:14:49.000 I'm not a little boy anymore. I feel like I'm 1:14:49.040 --> 1:14:52.759 a man now, you know, I'm I believe I was married. 1:14:52.800 --> 1:14:54.360 At the time I was married, I think it was 1:14:54.400 --> 1:14:56.840 twenty seven. It was like twenty nine, thirty years old, 1:14:57.720 --> 1:15:00.799 and I thought, you know, I'm I'm a grown up now. 1:15:00.680 --> 1:15:02.000 And you have to. 1:15:02.040 --> 1:15:05.080 Everybody has to break free from their childhood, right, break 1:15:05.120 --> 1:15:08.080 free from their parents, and have that moment where they 1:15:08.120 --> 1:15:10.280 really feel like they're autonomous. And so I thought, you know, 1:15:10.320 --> 1:15:12.800 I'm going to go to that place where I feel 1:15:12.880 --> 1:15:16.080 like in my life I've been underestimated or people have 1:15:16.240 --> 1:15:19.120 seen me as a little boy, or have understood me 1:15:19.160 --> 1:15:21.479 to me as an actor, or have just thought that 1:15:21.520 --> 1:15:24.840 I was lightweight, or you know this blonde hair, blue 1:15:24.880 --> 1:15:27.920 eyed guy from Malibu, which I am blonde hair, I 1:15:27.920 --> 1:15:31.600 have green eyes, and I'm actually I'm actually from Dayton, Ohio. 1:15:31.920 --> 1:15:34.880 But you know that doesn't make as good press, I think. 1:15:34.960 --> 1:15:37.240 So I thought, I'm going to just put all that 1:15:37.400 --> 1:15:40.120 anger and all that anks into this, and I'm going 1:15:40.200 --> 1:15:43.680 to just see what happens. And for days before this, 1:15:43.800 --> 1:15:47.000 I felt this kind of low grade nausea and like 1:15:47.040 --> 1:15:49.600 I was had that like a flu coming on, and 1:15:49.640 --> 1:15:52.360 I knew what it was because this happens often, and 1:15:52.400 --> 1:15:54.360 it still does. If I have a really tough scene 1:15:54.720 --> 1:15:58.519 to do, I just I feel it's anxiety, it's nerves, 1:15:58.560 --> 1:16:01.960 it's all that stuff, and it's it's the stuff you need. Frankly, 1:16:02.040 --> 1:16:04.840 I think you just have to learn how to channel it. 1:16:04.960 --> 1:16:07.559 And so I remember, as we were on the set 1:16:07.600 --> 1:16:09.640 and we're getting ready to shoot this, the directors and 1:16:09.760 --> 1:16:14.880 a wonderful British director named Steve Shill, I said, I said, listen, 1:16:15.040 --> 1:16:16.400 I don't know if. 1:16:16.320 --> 1:16:18.880 I have more than one of these in me. And 1:16:18.920 --> 1:16:21.519 he's like, okay, twelve, what do you mean? 1:16:22.080 --> 1:16:25.360 I said, I said, I don't really know, but I'm 1:16:25.439 --> 1:16:30.559 going to commit to whatever comes up, and so I 1:16:30.640 --> 1:16:32.360 just want to let you know that I may only 1:16:32.400 --> 1:16:35.240 have one in me. And he's like kind of thinking, well, 1:16:35.240 --> 1:16:39.719 this is either this actor's being extraordinarily difficult or he's 1:16:39.760 --> 1:16:42.320 going to go to some very dark place. And I 1:16:42.360 --> 1:16:44.280 think it was kind of a combination of both, really, 1:16:45.520 --> 1:16:48.040 And I remember sitting with the camera department. I didn't 1:16:48.080 --> 1:16:49.840 you know, usually when you're setting up a scene, you 1:16:49.880 --> 1:16:52.400 have second team, which are the stand ins that will 1:16:52.439 --> 1:16:55.280 sit and stand there while they focus the lights and 1:16:55.479 --> 1:16:57.240 make sure the lighting is right and make sure all 1:16:57.280 --> 1:17:00.920 the focus marks are proper. And I just thought, you know, 1:17:00.960 --> 1:17:02.760 I don't want anybody else in here. I want to 1:17:02.800 --> 1:17:04.679 do this myself because I want to make sure it's right. 1:17:05.040 --> 1:17:06.680 So I kept going through the motions of what I 1:17:06.680 --> 1:17:11.120 would do technically, and then they said action, and I 1:17:11.160 --> 1:17:13.400 remember feeling like I was going to get sick. I 1:17:13.400 --> 1:17:16.360 remember feeling like I'm either I may throw up here 1:17:17.160 --> 1:17:20.160 and that would be really awkward and awful, and we'd 1:17:20.160 --> 1:17:22.519 have to cut and that would be really embarrassing. And 1:17:22.560 --> 1:17:24.280 I remember feeling like I don't want to do this. 1:17:24.320 --> 1:17:25.720 They don't want to do this, They don't want to 1:17:25.720 --> 1:17:30.560 do this is really uncomfortable. And then I think something 1:17:30.640 --> 1:17:34.120 happened just emotionally where I went, you know what, you said, 1:17:34.120 --> 1:17:38.320 you'd do it once. Let's just go once. And then 1:17:38.479 --> 1:17:40.960 I think, out of nowhere, my fingers up in my mouth, 1:17:43.160 --> 1:17:45.680 and I was embarrassed, and I was like kind of 1:17:45.720 --> 1:17:49.000 like out of body experience watching myself doing this, going 1:17:49.080 --> 1:17:52.160 like this is really humiliating and embarrassing. 1:17:52.080 --> 1:17:53.599 And I can't believe you're doing this. 1:17:53.720 --> 1:17:56.559 And then I'm also like in the scene, going yeah, 1:17:56.560 --> 1:17:58.479 this feels right, this feels like. 1:17:58.720 --> 1:18:02.719 No great, and think can we do that one take? 1:18:03.400 --> 1:18:06.759 And so we got done and I'm crying and I'm 1:18:07.080 --> 1:18:09.840 ready to really like I just I'm really really ready 1:18:09.880 --> 1:18:10.479 to move. 1:18:10.280 --> 1:18:11.439 On from that place. 1:18:11.880 --> 1:18:13.920 And I looked at him at the I looked right 1:18:13.960 --> 1:18:17.160 away to the focus polar and I said, was that 1:18:17.240 --> 1:18:21.760 in focus? That was my biggest story? And he said, yeah, yeah, 1:18:21.880 --> 1:18:25.080 that was in focus. And the director came in kind 1:18:25.080 --> 1:18:27.040 of looked at me and went okay, And I said, 1:18:27.560 --> 1:18:29.639 I said it was in focus. I really don't think 1:18:29.680 --> 1:18:31.719 I want to do that or can do that again, 1:18:31.800 --> 1:18:34.320 and he said and I knew he was nervous. And 1:18:34.320 --> 1:18:36.720 now it's funny because now I direct primarily, that's what 1:18:36.760 --> 1:18:39.400 I do primarily, So like if an actor were to 1:18:39.439 --> 1:18:41.880 say that to me, I would be very uncomfortable, because 1:18:41.880 --> 1:18:43.240 you really want more than one. 1:18:43.080 --> 1:18:45.800 Take right just for safety. I mean, even if you 1:18:45.920 --> 1:18:47.280 nail it, yeah, if. 1:18:47.160 --> 1:18:48.760 You nail it, because you also want to be able 1:18:48.800 --> 1:18:49.800 to build a performance. 1:18:49.880 --> 1:18:53.200 And I didn't. I just knew I could do something again, 1:18:53.200 --> 1:18:54.280 but I wouldn't do that again. 1:18:55.280 --> 1:18:58.080 And I felt at that point like all this build 1:18:58.160 --> 1:19:00.320 up and these you know, days and days of this 1:19:00.439 --> 1:19:03.800 anxiety and this low grade nausea what kind of immediately 1:19:03.800 --> 1:19:06.120 went away, Like I purged it all in that moment, 1:19:06.439 --> 1:19:08.920 and I thought, I just don't want to do this again. 1:19:09.040 --> 1:19:12.200 So I think the director looked around and looked at 1:19:12.240 --> 1:19:14.439 Marishka or not because Muska was in the scene. I 1:19:14.479 --> 1:19:18.960 don't believe it was Chris Maloney and Chris. Chris was like, ah, 1:19:19.000 --> 1:19:22.920 I think we got it. I was like, I think too, 1:19:23.320 --> 1:19:26.840 and so we we did one take and that's it. 1:19:27.360 --> 1:19:27.800 That is. 1:19:29.360 --> 1:19:31.360 I think it's such an interesting episode because they find 1:19:31.400 --> 1:19:33.080 you close to the beginning. It's not like there's a 1:19:33.080 --> 1:19:35.519 bunch of red herrings, and then you come in at 1:19:35.520 --> 1:19:37.360 the end as the person that did it. They find 1:19:37.360 --> 1:19:39.479 you at the beginning, and then there's this whole trying 1:19:39.479 --> 1:19:41.360 to draw your character out because you want to be 1:19:41.400 --> 1:19:43.559 a cop to and like a lot of sort of 1:19:43.840 --> 1:19:46.599 Stabler's character kind of messing with you. But then also 1:19:46.760 --> 1:19:50.520 you're like you're this like murderer, but you're also a victim, 1:19:50.560 --> 1:19:53.920 like you've been molested by your mother for god knows 1:19:53.920 --> 1:19:57.240 how long, So you really are like straddling this line 1:19:57.280 --> 1:20:00.200 of like innocent and creepy in your character. Like I 1:20:00.880 --> 1:20:02.600 think when you watch it, we're like, I don't know 1:20:02.640 --> 1:20:04.479 if it's this guy. I mean, there is something creepy 1:20:04.520 --> 1:20:06.840 about him, but like until we find out that it's 1:20:06.840 --> 1:20:08.519 you don't know, yeah, he. 1:20:08.520 --> 1:20:11.479 Is some he is somewhat sympathetic I think in the end, 1:20:11.520 --> 1:20:12.960 which is which is really interesting. 1:20:13.320 --> 1:20:14.960 I thought that was a really interesting turn. 1:20:15.000 --> 1:20:18.040 And you know, they say, like I've heard other actors 1:20:18.120 --> 1:20:20.679 say that, you know, you really can't judge your character 1:20:20.720 --> 1:20:23.320 that you're going to play like. You have to kind 1:20:23.320 --> 1:20:25.439 of try to work to understand them, no matter how 1:20:25.479 --> 1:20:27.120 evil they are. I mean, even if you're playing like, 1:20:27.200 --> 1:20:32.040 you know, like Jeffrey Dahmer or some awful, you know, monster, 1:20:32.200 --> 1:20:35.080 you still would have to find some part in inside 1:20:35.080 --> 1:20:37.880 of you to understand that person who they are and 1:20:37.920 --> 1:20:40.160 why they behave the way that they did. And so 1:20:40.520 --> 1:20:43.639 I think the fact that this character was so wounded 1:20:43.720 --> 1:20:47.840 helped in a way because there was I mean for 1:20:47.920 --> 1:20:50.000 me as the actor, I could kind of kind of 1:20:50.080 --> 1:20:52.759 understand why he was so damaged and why he behaved 1:20:52.760 --> 1:20:55.040 in the way that he did, because, as you said, 1:20:55.120 --> 1:20:58.440 it's really true, he was also a victim himself. 1:20:59.360 --> 1:21:02.519 Yeah, not to go back to weird things that you 1:21:02.560 --> 1:21:05.479 had to do in this episode, but I was wondering 1:21:05.560 --> 1:21:07.639 what it's like to act in front of a mirror 1:21:07.680 --> 1:21:10.080 in that interrogation scene, and you were like screaming at 1:21:10.080 --> 1:21:12.320 the mirror. Is that weird to do looking at yourself 1:21:12.360 --> 1:21:14.280 and having well. 1:21:14.120 --> 1:21:14.719 So do it. 1:21:14.920 --> 1:21:15.759 That's a good question. 1:21:16.200 --> 1:21:18.160 And so now not only it was it out of 1:21:18.200 --> 1:21:21.080 body experience. It was like I was watching myself from 1:21:21.080 --> 1:21:22.759 out of my body, but then I was also watching 1:21:22.800 --> 1:21:23.439 myself in a. 1:21:23.400 --> 1:21:24.879 Mirror, in a mirror. 1:21:25.120 --> 1:21:28.320 So thank god actors are somewhat narcissistic and we and 1:21:28.360 --> 1:21:32.240 we enjoy this kind of re Yes, I've always talked 1:21:32.240 --> 1:21:34.160 to other friends who are actors who like, you know, 1:21:34.240 --> 1:21:36.559 like if you're really sad in your day and you're like, 1:21:36.640 --> 1:21:38.599 you know, something happens and you're crying, You're. 1:21:38.479 --> 1:21:40.559 Like, run to the mirror because you want to see 1:21:40.600 --> 1:21:43.600 what it looks like when you cry. Like, yeah, I 1:21:43.640 --> 1:21:44.280 could really, you. 1:21:44.280 --> 1:21:45.880 Know, this is really sad. This is what I look 1:21:45.960 --> 1:21:48.280 like when I'm sad. It's this is why actors are 1:21:48.280 --> 1:21:52.439 so freaking crazy. That's why we're all a little touched 1:21:53.800 --> 1:21:55.280 because we're working in this headspace. 1:21:55.320 --> 1:21:58.559 But yeah, I remember that was I think that was. 1:21:58.920 --> 1:22:03.400 Helpful looking in the mirror in a way because I think, 1:22:03.560 --> 1:22:08.080 as I recall, and I know, like looking yourself in 1:22:08.120 --> 1:22:12.000 the mirror, like truly looking yourself in your in the mirror, 1:22:12.880 --> 1:22:16.040 can be can bring a lot of stuff up as 1:22:16.040 --> 1:22:20.479 an exercise. I know that it can be uncomfortable. It 1:22:20.479 --> 1:22:25.439 can bring up insecurities, It can bring up self worth 1:22:25.479 --> 1:22:29.920 issues and shame issues, and it can also in a 1:22:29.960 --> 1:22:32.120 weird way if you believe this, and I happen to 1:22:32.200 --> 1:22:34.360 believe it, if you look deep enough, you can kind 1:22:34.360 --> 1:22:37.320 of see past the person, into the soul and into 1:22:37.880 --> 1:22:39.440 into the essence. 1:22:39.120 --> 1:22:40.160 Of who of your being. 1:22:40.680 --> 1:22:43.000 And now I'm I'm over analyzing all this and making 1:22:43.040 --> 1:22:45.880 it all way to airy fairy. But it was in 1:22:45.920 --> 1:22:49.960 that moment I think kind of everything disappeared for me 1:22:50.000 --> 1:22:52.040 and I kind of was able to check in with 1:22:52.880 --> 1:22:55.799 that kind of inner child, if you will. And really 1:22:55.840 --> 1:22:59.679 that scene, that scene is about killing the inner child, 1:22:59.760 --> 1:23:02.320 right if you think about it, and about announcing that 1:23:02.920 --> 1:23:05.800 to this detective in that moment. And also it's a confession, 1:23:06.520 --> 1:23:10.320 right as I remember, this scene was a confession. Whether 1:23:10.360 --> 1:23:14.000 it was whether it was implicit or not, my memory 1:23:14.040 --> 1:23:15.920 of it was, at least the way I played it 1:23:15.960 --> 1:23:19.599 was that was his moment of showing some another human 1:23:19.640 --> 1:23:23.280 being his vulnerability. And that's the other thing too. As 1:23:23.320 --> 1:23:26.439 an actor, like it's really hard to act in a 1:23:26.479 --> 1:23:30.320 scene alone but I get very nervous when I act. 1:23:30.720 --> 1:23:34.000 I get very very nervous when I audition. It's a problem. 1:23:34.640 --> 1:23:38.599 I don't enjoy it. And the only thing that ever 1:23:38.640 --> 1:23:42.759 seems to calm my nerves is to connect with another 1:23:42.840 --> 1:23:46.920 human being and to know that I'm not alone in 1:23:46.960 --> 1:23:52.040 that moment, And so I remember connecting with myself in 1:23:52.040 --> 1:23:54.479 a way, but then also being able to turn and 1:23:54.520 --> 1:23:58.639 look at Chris and feeling knowing what a great actor 1:23:58.720 --> 1:24:02.200 Chris Maloney is and how how strong he wasn't that 1:24:02.720 --> 1:24:05.160 in that show, and what a great actor he's always been. 1:24:05.200 --> 1:24:07.000 In fact, Chris and I were in acting class together. 1:24:07.040 --> 1:24:10.920 It's another world secret. Really Yeah, I felt really safe 1:24:10.960 --> 1:24:13.720 with Chris in that moment, like I could kind of 1:24:13.760 --> 1:24:18.160 do something really risky, and it kind of, you know, 1:24:18.320 --> 1:24:20.040 like it's it's I guess it is getting out of 1:24:20.080 --> 1:24:23.280 yourself in a way, like connecting with another person. Like 1:24:23.400 --> 1:24:28.160 public speaking is something that I think most people struggle with. 1:24:28.240 --> 1:24:32.640 Most people feel really really uneasy in public speaking, and 1:24:32.680 --> 1:24:36.439 it's and I have had the opportunity to do some 1:24:36.720 --> 1:24:40.280 speeches and speak publicly a few times, and I've always 1:24:40.320 --> 1:24:43.400 found the best way for me to settle my nerves 1:24:43.479 --> 1:24:46.920 and allow my mind to work and stay on script 1:24:47.200 --> 1:24:49.040 or get the message out that I'm trying to deliver 1:24:49.200 --> 1:24:51.760 is to look at one person in the room. You know, 1:24:51.880 --> 1:24:55.800 it's really connect with one person and there's something about 1:24:55.840 --> 1:24:57.959 that that's that can be very, very comforting. 1:24:59.240 --> 1:25:02.200 Wow, I'm so glad Stabler was able to provide. 1:25:01.880 --> 1:25:03.320 That for you. Stabler. 1:25:03.560 --> 1:25:05.479 Yes, that's really And I. 1:25:05.439 --> 1:25:06.519 Love that you knew each other. 1:25:06.760 --> 1:25:09.200 Yeah, like this is like pre like when you guys 1:25:09.240 --> 1:25:11.479 were starting out, you were in acting class together. I 1:25:11.520 --> 1:25:11.840 love that. 1:25:12.320 --> 1:25:15.280 Yeah, we were, in fact I knew I knew Marishka 1:25:15.320 --> 1:25:18.479 and I were friends, we had been we met when 1:25:18.560 --> 1:25:20.439 we were both on ER together. 1:25:20.720 --> 1:25:23.639 Oh wow. We're also going to ask if you knew 1:25:23.640 --> 1:25:24.479 Neil Bear for me? 1:25:24.560 --> 1:25:28.080 Are you know I knew Neil from Er? I did, ye, 1:25:29.439 --> 1:25:31.280 Neil Bear. I have to let me just say how 1:25:31.320 --> 1:25:35.960 much I loved Neil Bear. He is one of the kindest. 1:25:36.200 --> 1:25:37.960 First of all, he's one of the smartest people I've 1:25:37.960 --> 1:25:40.000 ever met. I mean, not only is he this genius writer, 1:25:40.080 --> 1:25:42.320 but he's also you know, a doctor who was at 1:25:42.360 --> 1:25:46.800 Harvard Medical School. Yeah, he was incredibly super smart, down 1:25:46.840 --> 1:25:51.840 to earth, kind, supportive, and so I knew Neil from 1:25:52.560 --> 1:25:55.320 R and I think that might be how this role 1:25:55.400 --> 1:25:58.280 came to be for me on on SVU was I think, 1:25:58.479 --> 1:26:01.360 as I remember, I you know what, Actually, I'm just 1:26:01.400 --> 1:26:05.360 remembering this now. I was at a Golden Globes thing 1:26:05.560 --> 1:26:11.040 for the Golden Globes and he pulled me aside and said, 1:26:11.040 --> 1:26:13.240 I think I have a role for you. I remember 1:26:13.280 --> 1:26:16.240 this now, oh wow. And I remember saying to him, 1:26:16.280 --> 1:26:19.840 I said, anytime, anywhere for you, Neil. You know I'd 1:26:19.880 --> 1:26:21.800 do it because I just adore you. I still to 1:26:21.840 --> 1:26:24.880 this day adore him. And he said, all right, I 1:26:24.960 --> 1:26:27.519 may have something really interesting for you. And that's something 1:26:27.600 --> 1:26:30.679 I'm just now remembering this. That is how I got 1:26:30.680 --> 1:26:32.840 that role. So it helps to know, It helps to 1:26:32.880 --> 1:26:33.360 know people. 1:26:33.880 --> 1:26:37.200 Sure. No, he was on our he came on our podcast. 1:26:37.240 --> 1:26:40.200 We interviewed him and he was like, so we were like, 1:26:40.320 --> 1:26:42.000 we could just talk to you for five hours. 1:26:42.080 --> 1:26:44.599 Like he's amazing, Right, He's just he's the. 1:26:44.560 --> 1:26:47.200 Best and he remembers everything. 1:26:47.880 --> 1:26:50.839 He's like I said, he's literally one of the smartest 1:26:50.840 --> 1:26:52.080 people I've ever met. 1:26:52.320 --> 1:26:54.120 Yeah, and they got you in there, you were you 1:26:54.160 --> 1:26:56.200 were guests. I mean, this is season two, like this 1:26:56.240 --> 1:26:57.680 is the show is just starting, like. 1:26:57.760 --> 1:26:58.639 Was this season two? 1:26:59.040 --> 1:27:03.040 Yeah, so yeah, because you're you. You directed Solace in 1:27:03.120 --> 1:27:06.519 season four, but this was season two, so you're you 1:27:06.600 --> 1:27:08.640 kind of got on the SVU train at the beginning. 1:27:09.160 --> 1:27:11.320 Had you been like watching the show at all before 1:27:11.360 --> 1:27:13.200 when he called you in to do it, or like 1:27:13.680 --> 1:27:15.000 me because it was a new show. 1:27:15.560 --> 1:27:17.479 I remember, I was very aware of the show, and 1:27:17.520 --> 1:27:19.600 I had watched a few episodes of the show. But 1:27:19.760 --> 1:27:24.440 knowing Marishka, who I'd met on Er, and knowing Chris 1:27:25.160 --> 1:27:29.240 from acting class previously, I was I did watch the show. 1:27:29.280 --> 1:27:31.439 I think I watched the pilot episode in a few episodes, 1:27:31.479 --> 1:27:33.200 and I thought, this show is really good. And I 1:27:33.360 --> 1:27:36.040 was and I was not surprised at all that it 1:27:36.040 --> 1:27:39.040 would be very successful. I mean, two, those two actors 1:27:39.040 --> 1:27:40.480 are also such powerhouses. 1:27:40.920 --> 1:27:42.240 Yeah, and they always were. 1:27:42.280 --> 1:27:45.680 I mean Marishka on Er was genius and she was 1:27:45.720 --> 1:27:48.679 so good on Er and Chris was great in acting class. 1:27:48.760 --> 1:27:52.439 My only argument with Chris and acting classes. He used 1:27:52.439 --> 1:27:54.679 to go up, he'd do his scenes, and then he'd leave. 1:27:55.880 --> 1:27:59.880 Oh my god, so that's actually very stabler. 1:28:00.040 --> 1:28:04.520 But yes, yeah, yes, that was like come on, Chris. 1:28:04.439 --> 1:28:07.600 Come on, you know, like this is a community. 1:28:08.040 --> 1:28:08.879 This is our community. 1:28:08.880 --> 1:28:11.000 But now he was always he was always great and 1:28:11.120 --> 1:28:14.400 very supportive, and so yeah, that's that's how it came 1:28:14.439 --> 1:28:16.840 to be. I mean, I remember I read I auditioned 1:28:17.000 --> 1:28:20.479 for my role on I don't want everybody. I don't 1:28:20.479 --> 1:28:22.880 want the audience to think that like in Hollywood, friends 1:28:22.960 --> 1:28:27.120 just give you jobs sometimes they sometimes they do, but 1:28:27.200 --> 1:28:28.800 more often than not, you have to go out and 1:28:28.800 --> 1:28:31.000 earn them. And I had read I went in on 1:28:31.040 --> 1:28:33.200 the whole cattle call for the I played a role 1:28:33.240 --> 1:28:34.960 on Er. I got to do like four or five 1:28:35.000 --> 1:28:38.160 episodes of Er, and I auditioned for that and that 1:28:38.280 --> 1:28:40.760 was kind of a grueling experience to get that role 1:28:40.800 --> 1:28:43.080 and was lucky enough to get that role, which you know, 1:28:43.160 --> 1:28:45.439 I always say, like you never know where something's going. 1:28:45.360 --> 1:28:48.639 To lead, and I think it right to this SPU character. 1:28:49.000 --> 1:28:51.400 That's awesome. I feel like I got so excited because 1:28:51.439 --> 1:28:52.960 we had talked to Neil Berr if you knew him, 1:28:53.000 --> 1:28:55.000 but you were saying how you met Marishka on the 1:28:55.040 --> 1:28:58.519 set and so you guys stayed friends post r until 1:28:58.640 --> 1:28:59.240 les be it. 1:28:59.320 --> 1:29:01.439 Wow, that's yeah, isn't that crazy? 1:29:01.640 --> 1:29:06.799 Yeah, it's it's And then the opportunity to direct came up, which, yeah. 1:29:06.640 --> 1:29:08.519 I was just about to ask you about that, because 1:29:08.520 --> 1:29:11.000 it seems like just looking at your IMDb, this was 1:29:11.080 --> 1:29:14.919 kind of your first major television thing, was directing soulless? 1:29:15.960 --> 1:29:17.679 Yeah it was. I mean I had done. 1:29:17.840 --> 1:29:23.719 I had written and directed two short films and one 1:29:24.080 --> 1:29:29.000 that was very much felt in the vein of an SVU, 1:29:29.680 --> 1:29:34.760 kind of a procedural drama about a crime that had 1:29:34.800 --> 1:29:37.040 been committed, and it was dark and. 1:29:37.160 --> 1:29:39.200 Had it was good. I thought it was. 1:29:39.240 --> 1:29:42.320 It was really well done, and I thought I was 1:29:42.360 --> 1:29:45.840 really on my way until I got the opportunity to 1:29:45.960 --> 1:29:50.680 direct A Solace on SVU. And I'm so grateful to 1:29:51.280 --> 1:29:55.479 Ted Katscheff, who was the producing director and executive producer, 1:29:56.040 --> 1:29:57.840 and to Nil for giving. 1:29:57.600 --> 1:29:58.640 Me the opportunity. 1:29:59.520 --> 1:30:04.480 I was not really prepared or ready yet in hindsight, 1:30:04.600 --> 1:30:08.439 you know, Hindsight's twenty twenty off. I knew how to 1:30:08.560 --> 1:30:11.840 make cool shots, and I knew how to talk with 1:30:12.040 --> 1:30:15.800 actors because as being an actor, I'm comfortable in that 1:30:15.960 --> 1:30:17.920 in that world, which is you know, which is. I 1:30:17.960 --> 1:30:20.280 don't want to discredit that, because those are two important 1:30:20.280 --> 1:30:24.400 skills to have for directors, but you know, those are 1:30:24.439 --> 1:30:28.160 two skills in a wide range of skills. 1:30:27.760 --> 1:30:31.559 You need to have. And I was, you know. 1:30:31.520 --> 1:30:35.600 Woefully unprepared for what it would take to direct a 1:30:35.800 --> 1:30:38.960 huge network television show. And so the fact that I 1:30:39.000 --> 1:30:43.720 wasn't fired from directing Solace is something that I am 1:30:43.800 --> 1:30:48.200 very grateful to all all parties involved. But it was 1:30:48.240 --> 1:30:51.200 just over my head. As most first time directors are 1:30:51.720 --> 1:30:55.240 on network television, it is a very very challenging job. 1:30:55.560 --> 1:30:57.280 You have to start somewhere, right. 1:30:57.080 --> 1:31:00.280 I mean, yep, and I'm so and again this Ted 1:31:00.320 --> 1:31:03.759 Kanchieff and Neilbert gave me my start as a director. 1:31:04.560 --> 1:31:06.640 I think your somewherre directing right now or you just 1:31:06.720 --> 1:31:09.640 were you were like in Canada or something directing. 1:31:09.320 --> 1:31:11.519 Or I directed the Flash. 1:31:12.280 --> 1:31:15.720 Well my husband is a fan. Ooh, well yeah, big fan. 1:31:16.360 --> 1:31:16.800 But I was. 1:31:17.200 --> 1:31:19.600 I just finished doing a lone star, the nine to 1:31:19.600 --> 1:31:22.960 one one lone Star with this after name, Rob Lowe, 1:31:23.000 --> 1:31:26.720 which was interesting, really interesting to work with. 1:31:27.040 --> 1:31:29.400 Wow, I need to work with your brother. 1:31:29.760 --> 1:31:34.000 And I'm currently directing Titans for It's an HBO Max 1:31:34.040 --> 1:31:37.400 show called Oh Cool. Just a really good show, really good. 1:31:38.000 --> 1:31:41.680 Working with Rob is fantastic. I mean, we're from the 1:31:41.720 --> 1:31:44.960 line from spinal tap. We're closer than brothers. We are 1:31:45.280 --> 1:31:47.880 we are, we are closer than brothers, and we do 1:31:48.160 --> 1:31:52.400 really well together. And his son John Owen was the 1:31:52.439 --> 1:31:55.679 writer of the episode, so it was it was really 1:31:56.160 --> 1:31:57.320 a special experience. 1:31:58.439 --> 1:32:01.280 So with your directing, are you is that kind of 1:32:01.280 --> 1:32:03.519 where you're leaning now? Are you still like going are 1:32:03.520 --> 1:32:06.080 you still working on getting acting parts? Or are you 1:32:06.160 --> 1:32:08.800 kind of like that's you know, moving towards directing, trying 1:32:08.800 --> 1:32:10.880 to split time? What's the what's the deal there? 1:32:11.600 --> 1:32:14.000 Uh, In a perfect world, I'd be able to I'd 1:32:14.040 --> 1:32:15.000 be able to split time. 1:32:15.040 --> 1:32:17.400 In a perfect world, I would be able to do both. 1:32:17.560 --> 1:32:18.360 I would. 1:32:18.439 --> 1:32:23.760 But acting is is is very fickle. It's interesting. I 1:32:24.560 --> 1:32:27.320 miss acting. I haven't really done much since I was 1:32:27.320 --> 1:32:31.320 on Supergirl. I had a recurring role on Supergirl, which 1:32:31.360 --> 1:32:34.320 was a lot of fun. But I don't I work 1:32:34.360 --> 1:32:38.679 at directing. I don't work much at acting anymore. I don't, 1:32:39.640 --> 1:32:42.160 So I'm not I'm not in a place where I 1:32:42.520 --> 1:32:47.000 really want to scour the breakdowns and look for opportunities 1:32:47.040 --> 1:32:50.080 and you know, make all the phone calls and and 1:32:50.560 --> 1:32:52.840 you know, ride my agents about why am I not 1:32:53.120 --> 1:32:57.519 reading for this and reading for that? So, but I 1:32:57.600 --> 1:33:00.639 just am't really fulfilled by directing, and I feel really 1:33:00.680 --> 1:33:03.719 fortunate and really lucky to be at a place where 1:33:03.800 --> 1:33:08.880 I get the opportunity to direct, and so it's hard. 1:33:09.720 --> 1:33:11.960 I miss acting. I'd like to be acting more, but 1:33:12.080 --> 1:33:15.400 not at the cost of not directing. So somewhere there's 1:33:15.400 --> 1:33:17.280 a balance. I just haven't been able to find it 1:33:17.360 --> 1:33:21.160 quite yet. But I'm not complaining getting to direct the 1:33:21.160 --> 1:33:24.280 shows I've been directing, is I mean, like, really a 1:33:24.360 --> 1:33:25.320 dream to come true? 1:33:26.080 --> 1:33:28.639 Are there any lessons that you learned directing soul lists 1:33:28.680 --> 1:33:31.640 that you've carried on through other gigs since it was 1:33:31.680 --> 1:33:32.559 your first one? 1:33:32.920 --> 1:33:35.479 Yeah, I mean so many lessons that I learned. I mean, 1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:40.920 it's funny. Is the biggest challenge I faced as a 1:33:40.960 --> 1:33:44.000 first time director on a network television show was just 1:33:44.080 --> 1:33:47.760 how much you have to manage time and because there's 1:33:47.880 --> 1:33:50.200 only so much time you have to shoot in a day, 1:33:50.800 --> 1:33:55.439 and also what I need to cover a scene. And 1:33:55.520 --> 1:33:57.760 by that, I mean how is it all going to 1:33:57.760 --> 1:34:00.800 be put together in the editing room. You film it 1:34:00.800 --> 1:34:04.840 in pieces, obviously, but when you put it together, it's 1:34:05.240 --> 1:34:09.559 a continuous piece of film with cuts, and so one 1:34:09.640 --> 1:34:14.840 of the things that Ted Katscheff is so good at 1:34:15.200 --> 1:34:18.400 is understanding how all of these pieces that you film 1:34:18.680 --> 1:34:23.479 cut together to make the hole. And he after I 1:34:23.520 --> 1:34:25.760 think after the second day that he didn't fire me, 1:34:27.960 --> 1:34:30.880 he sat behind me and would. 1:34:30.600 --> 1:34:32.400 Go, where's your cut? Where's your cut? 1:34:33.040 --> 1:34:35.679 And I didn't understand at the time what he meant, 1:34:35.920 --> 1:34:39.719 and I just wasn't experienced enough. And I was like, well, 1:34:40.320 --> 1:34:42.479 I'll figure because I'm thinking, this is a really cool 1:34:42.520 --> 1:34:44.760 scene and I've got it shot a cool way and 1:34:44.800 --> 1:34:47.720 the actors are really good. And he was telling me, 1:34:47.800 --> 1:34:49.880 asking me where my cut was. And I said to him, 1:34:49.880 --> 1:34:52.519 I said, well my cut, Well, I'll figure it out 1:34:52.520 --> 1:34:55.960 when I'm in the editing room. And he said, no, 1:34:56.160 --> 1:34:57.720 you will not figure it out in the editing room. 1:34:57.720 --> 1:35:00.920 You will always know where your cut is. And he 1:35:01.080 --> 1:35:03.960 was right, and it put that seed in my mind 1:35:04.720 --> 1:35:06.400 for me to try and figure out. It's taking me 1:35:06.520 --> 1:35:09.760 years and years. I've been directing now about seventeen years so, 1:35:10.520 --> 1:35:15.840 and I feel like I just finally became really competent 1:35:16.160 --> 1:35:18.719 and good at it, if I may say so, about 1:35:18.960 --> 1:35:22.120 six about six years ago to where I really went, Oh, 1:35:22.200 --> 1:35:25.679 I understand what Ted meant, and now mind you Ted 1:35:25.760 --> 1:35:33.720 had directed Rambo Weekend at Bernie's North Dallas forty, so 1:35:33.800 --> 1:35:36.599 he was like a big feature director and then over 1:35:36.720 --> 1:35:39.800 I don't know, three hundred hours of television. So this 1:35:39.880 --> 1:35:43.680 is a very seasoned veteran who's a very good director. 1:35:43.800 --> 1:35:44.759 Giving me a gift. 1:35:45.320 --> 1:35:47.920 It was a little bit like the great Santini, you know, 1:35:48.040 --> 1:35:50.240 giving a gift to his son. It was hard to 1:35:50.280 --> 1:35:53.760 hear and it was really challenging. But I think in 1:35:53.800 --> 1:35:56.080 the end, to go back to the question what did 1:35:56.080 --> 1:36:00.639 I learn, I think I almost learned everything in directing Solace. Again, 1:36:00.720 --> 1:36:03.679 the lesson for me, as I'm always reminded in life, 1:36:03.760 --> 1:36:08.040 is you know, oftentimes it's at our lowest points, our 1:36:08.120 --> 1:36:11.120 darkest moments, that we have the most to learn and 1:36:11.840 --> 1:36:15.599 if we're able to sort of survive them. Which I 1:36:15.640 --> 1:36:18.960 came away from Soulas going all right, I know I 1:36:19.080 --> 1:36:20.880 don't know a lot. I know I've got a lot 1:36:20.920 --> 1:36:24.440 to learn. But I came away from directing Soulas completely 1:36:24.439 --> 1:36:27.880 committed to becoming a good director and thought it was 1:36:27.920 --> 1:36:30.200 a little bit like that which doesn't kill you will 1:36:30.200 --> 1:36:32.720 make you stronger. And it was hard because I had 1:36:32.720 --> 1:36:35.439 to kind of be honest with myself and go I 1:36:35.479 --> 1:36:40.200 am green, I am inexperienced. I thought I knew what 1:36:40.240 --> 1:36:42.360 I was doing because I had a short film that 1:36:42.400 --> 1:36:45.040 went to the Toronto Film Festival and had gone to 1:36:45.080 --> 1:36:47.120 the Tribeca Film Festival, and I thought, well, you know, 1:36:47.160 --> 1:36:47.679 I've arrived. 1:36:47.680 --> 1:36:48.559 I'm a director now. 1:36:49.400 --> 1:36:53.440 And it was very humbling, I must say, to realize 1:36:53.479 --> 1:36:54.559 how much I didn't know. 1:36:55.800 --> 1:36:57.559 And now that we know that you were friends with 1:36:58.680 --> 1:37:01.519 Maloney and Riushka, how was it directing your friends? 1:37:01.560 --> 1:37:02.400 Did they give you ship? 1:37:03.360 --> 1:37:04.040 Absolutely? 1:37:06.240 --> 1:37:10.440 It was they, you know they? And again I appreciated 1:37:10.479 --> 1:37:12.880 that they They were tough on me, both of them. 1:37:13.160 --> 1:37:14.200 Both of them were tough on me. 1:37:14.280 --> 1:37:17.800 The power dynamic could definitely changes, and it's still it's 1:37:17.800 --> 1:37:18.599 still to this day. 1:37:19.160 --> 1:37:19.679 Is that way. 1:37:19.720 --> 1:37:23.040 It's funny because I was on a show called Pretty 1:37:23.040 --> 1:37:26.200 Little Liars for a while and I was an actor 1:37:26.240 --> 1:37:26.679 on the show. 1:37:26.800 --> 1:37:28.320 I got to do both, but it was perfect. I 1:37:28.360 --> 1:37:29.719 got to act and I got to direct. 1:37:30.160 --> 1:37:32.880 And when I was an actor, I could go and 1:37:32.960 --> 1:37:35.160 hang out with the cast and talk about what we 1:37:35.200 --> 1:37:37.920 did over the weekend and what movies we liked, what 1:37:37.960 --> 1:37:40.479 TV shows we were binging. And then as soon as 1:37:40.520 --> 1:37:43.040 I started directing, if I went into the holding area 1:37:43.040 --> 1:37:44.799 where all the actors were around talking. 1:37:45.000 --> 1:37:47.320 They'd all get really quiet and look at me and go, yeah, 1:37:48.280 --> 1:37:49.320 what what do you want? 1:37:49.760 --> 1:37:52.479 And I was like, I'm just coming in to say 1:37:52.479 --> 1:37:54.479 good morning and hi and how was your weekend? 1:37:54.520 --> 1:37:56.840 And they're like they'd say like, oh, it was fine. 1:37:57.200 --> 1:37:59.280 And there was always this kind of like I all 1:37:59.320 --> 1:38:01.880 of a sudden became the teacher or the parent, and 1:38:01.920 --> 1:38:04.160 as soon as I as soon as I leave the room, 1:38:04.200 --> 1:38:06.479 I could hear them first into laughter and have this 1:38:06.560 --> 1:38:10.280 great time. But so directing can be a very lonely position. 1:38:10.920 --> 1:38:13.599 Somebody once said to me, nobody invites the director to dinner. 1:38:13.720 --> 1:38:15.599 And it's really true. It's really true. 1:38:15.960 --> 1:38:19.559 So that the relationship on when I was directing the 1:38:19.800 --> 1:38:24.559 SVU with Mirshka and with Chris shifted a little bit 1:38:24.600 --> 1:38:28.280 because I was now, you know, expected to have be 1:38:28.400 --> 1:38:32.519 in charge of, you know, writing the ship and driving 1:38:32.560 --> 1:38:35.960 us toward you know, making our days and getting everything 1:38:36.040 --> 1:38:40.559 we needed. And so I was no longer just you know, 1:38:40.680 --> 1:38:42.840 one of one of their friends who was also an 1:38:42.840 --> 1:38:46.400 actor that they liked. So I was held in a 1:38:46.400 --> 1:38:50.320 different capacity and that was challenging. I did not expect that, 1:38:50.680 --> 1:38:53.400 but they were both very very tough on me and 1:38:53.479 --> 1:38:56.200 again made me a better act director. 1:38:56.240 --> 1:38:58.280 I believe in the end. It was hard. 1:38:58.080 --> 1:39:02.640 I did not appreciate it at the time, but in hindsight, 1:39:02.800 --> 1:39:05.840 I realized what they were doing was treating me like 1:39:05.880 --> 1:39:08.479 they would any other director who showed up on set 1:39:08.680 --> 1:39:13.439 who was inexperienced and not really ready to handle the 1:39:13.479 --> 1:39:18.160 load of directing a show like that, And so it 1:39:18.800 --> 1:39:23.720 frustrated me and I was angry, but ultimately I had 1:39:23.720 --> 1:39:26.639 to look inward and try to take away the lesson 1:39:26.680 --> 1:39:28.920 from it, and the lesson was, you know, I needed 1:39:29.000 --> 1:39:29.720 more experience. 1:39:29.880 --> 1:39:30.840 I really really did. 1:39:31.000 --> 1:39:33.919 And so I've seen them since and friends with Marishka 1:39:33.960 --> 1:39:36.599 still and I ran into Chris recently and I kind 1:39:36.600 --> 1:39:40.920 of made an amends to Chris. It was very interesting 1:39:40.920 --> 1:39:43.559 because I saw him at some some event and he's 1:39:43.720 --> 1:39:45.800 very stoic, and I don't think you're going to get 1:39:45.840 --> 1:39:46.519 Chris on the show. 1:39:47.320 --> 1:39:49.920 Well, Diane Neil says she thinks he'd do it, but 1:39:50.640 --> 1:39:52.599 we might have to wait a couple of years. 1:39:52.640 --> 1:39:55.360 Well, it's been really fun doing this show for so 1:39:55.400 --> 1:39:57.959 many reasons. But everyone that comes on is like Marishka 1:39:58.000 --> 1:40:00.280 is an angel from God. She is everything. 1:40:00.439 --> 1:40:02.639 She is like the head of the ship. 1:40:02.680 --> 1:40:05.000 And then everyone with Maloney is like he's kind of 1:40:05.040 --> 1:40:09.320 serious and weird and stretching, and so we that's like 1:40:09.439 --> 1:40:10.720 the vibe we get. 1:40:10.800 --> 1:40:13.559 Very talented. I mean, everybody said how talented and could 1:40:13.560 --> 1:40:13.800 he is? 1:40:13.880 --> 1:40:16.920 No body and I would say, what he What he 1:40:17.080 --> 1:40:24.120 is is extraordinarily committed, like so deeply committed and cares 1:40:24.160 --> 1:40:27.519 so deeply and is working at such a high level 1:40:28.160 --> 1:40:31.479 that I think he has a hard time if somebody 1:40:31.520 --> 1:40:35.320 isn't completely one hundred percent on their game, and I 1:40:35.360 --> 1:40:38.519 have to respect that. I mean, it's any difficulty I 1:40:38.560 --> 1:40:42.960 ever had with Chris isn't about like it's some you know, 1:40:43.320 --> 1:40:46.960 insignificant issue like catering isn't warm, or you know, my 1:40:47.040 --> 1:40:51.000 trailer's too far away, or It's always about the work. 1:40:51.320 --> 1:40:54.559 And it was always whatever difficulty and hard time I 1:40:54.640 --> 1:40:57.519 had with Chris, it was about the work and it 1:40:57.600 --> 1:41:00.400 was about the vision for the scene. So I'll say 1:41:00.520 --> 1:41:02.719 I think what Chris is. I think Chris is probably 1:41:02.720 --> 1:41:06.200 really shy. Actually, I think he's a bit of an introvert, 1:41:06.200 --> 1:41:09.600 which is strange because he's he presents us this strapping, 1:41:10.080 --> 1:41:15.120 like muscular strong, you know, masculine figure, but I think 1:41:15.120 --> 1:41:20.320 probably underneath it, he's actually probably very shy, so you're 1:41:20.320 --> 1:41:22.360 not going to get a lot of like hanging out 1:41:22.840 --> 1:41:25.960 by the monitor, laughing and joking. I think he's really 1:41:26.000 --> 1:41:28.639 serious about his work and then goes to where he's 1:41:28.680 --> 1:41:31.240 most comfortable, which I think is probably you know, not 1:41:31.360 --> 1:41:34.320 being the most social guy in the world. So that's 1:41:34.360 --> 1:41:36.479 my take on Chris is I think he's just really 1:41:36.560 --> 1:41:38.760 actually probably underneath it all, very controverted. 1:41:39.400 --> 1:41:39.559 Now. 1:41:39.640 --> 1:41:43.559 Marishki, on the other hand, is a complete extrovert, right, 1:41:43.840 --> 1:41:48.520 and just I mean like she's just like good time Marishka. 1:41:48.560 --> 1:41:52.080 It's like laughs and always having a good time and 1:41:52.160 --> 1:41:55.960 keeping it light. And so they're very different in that way, 1:41:55.960 --> 1:41:58.240 and I think that's probably what gave them such great chemistry, 1:41:58.720 --> 1:42:02.320 right because you know, like opposites coming together is really interesting. 1:42:02.360 --> 1:42:04.360 That's kind of what you want for chemistry. 1:42:04.760 --> 1:42:06.360 And what were you going to say about the party 1:42:06.400 --> 1:42:08.920 with you and Maloney or like you guys made amends 1:42:09.000 --> 1:42:09.439 or something. 1:42:10.240 --> 1:42:12.880 Yeah, No, it was just I just I said, you 1:42:12.920 --> 1:42:17.760 know this, I mean, this is you know, being with hindsight, 1:42:17.840 --> 1:42:22.560 being twenty twenty and sixteen, fifteen years of experience. 1:42:22.160 --> 1:42:22.800 Under my belt. 1:42:22.920 --> 1:42:25.679 I've been able to look at that experience of directing 1:42:25.680 --> 1:42:28.439 that show and realize how green I was and how 1:42:28.840 --> 1:42:31.920 inexperienced I was, And I just basically said, you know, 1:42:32.120 --> 1:42:35.479 I said, I'm I don't know if I said I 1:42:35.560 --> 1:42:38.720 was sorry, because I'm not sure I try anything to 1:42:38.720 --> 1:42:41.360 be sorry about. But I kind of acknowledged the fact 1:42:41.840 --> 1:42:44.479 that I was green and inexperienced when we work together, 1:42:45.080 --> 1:42:50.680 and Chris was gracious in Chris's best way, which was 1:42:50.720 --> 1:42:54.360 to kind of acknowledge the fact, you know, but again, 1:42:54.400 --> 1:42:58.040 I think he's really a very sensitive guy. He kind 1:42:58.040 --> 1:43:01.080 of acknowledged it and was like, you know, yeah, yeah, 1:43:01.160 --> 1:43:03.000 you know some of you know, some of those listen. 1:43:03.080 --> 1:43:06.120 Sometimes actors and artists, I mean not just actors and artists, 1:43:06.120 --> 1:43:10.880 but sometimes people are really can come across as aloof 1:43:11.120 --> 1:43:15.120 or or arrogant when really what's going on internally and 1:43:15.200 --> 1:43:19.400 inside is that they're really uncomfortable or awkward with in interacting. 1:43:19.400 --> 1:43:21.280 And I just think he's one of those guys, you 1:43:21.280 --> 1:43:24.800 know that's he's got a really big heart. He's a 1:43:25.320 --> 1:43:29.400 he's a good guy underneath, but I think he's imposing, 1:43:29.760 --> 1:43:32.639 like physically, he's a big guy, and he's got that 1:43:32.840 --> 1:43:35.400 look about him, but I think that's kind of at 1:43:35.400 --> 1:43:37.640 odds with what's going on inside of him. So I 1:43:38.120 --> 1:43:40.760 he just he's kind of nodded and said, yeah, yeah, 1:43:40.800 --> 1:43:44.320 that was an interesting that was an interesting, interesting experience. 1:43:45.280 --> 1:43:49.000 And I kind of said, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:43:48.560 --> 1:43:50.640 That was that was interesting. 1:43:51.360 --> 1:43:54.720 And I was inexperienced and not really ready for that 1:43:55.040 --> 1:43:58.400 big of a role in directing your show. And I 1:43:58.439 --> 1:44:00.800 sure loved work, but I sure loved the experience and 1:44:00.800 --> 1:44:02.400 thank you for that. And he's like, yeah, man, it's 1:44:02.439 --> 1:44:05.040 all good, and kind of we laughed and off he went. 1:44:05.960 --> 1:44:09.720 It's wild to hear this because watching it, I mean, 1:44:09.760 --> 1:44:11.840 I wasn't looking out. But it's a great up. It's 1:44:11.880 --> 1:44:13.440 one of the greatest episodes. 1:44:13.720 --> 1:44:17.000 Oh wow, that's really It has. 1:44:16.880 --> 1:44:19.280 So many good twists. It's like great, and you have 1:44:19.479 --> 1:44:22.080 it's such a good cast, I mean, and Dowd. 1:44:21.760 --> 1:44:25.479 You got like, oh, it's a crazy cast, and Logan 1:44:25.560 --> 1:44:26.280 Marshall Green. 1:44:26.400 --> 1:44:26.960 I believe. 1:44:27.520 --> 1:44:30.840 But here's the thing about that is I believe as 1:44:30.840 --> 1:44:33.639 an actor and as a director, and we're only as 1:44:33.680 --> 1:44:36.880 good as the script and only as good as the story. 1:44:37.640 --> 1:44:40.320 And I will also say as a director, I've come 1:44:40.360 --> 1:44:42.519 to learn that When it's good, I get way too 1:44:42.600 --> 1:44:45.200 much credit, and when it's bad, I get way too 1:44:45.280 --> 1:44:49.680 much blame. And that's just the nature of directing television. 1:44:50.000 --> 1:44:52.160 When it's really good, there's just way too much because 1:44:53.000 --> 1:44:55.759 so many things have to come together for an episode 1:44:55.840 --> 1:44:59.040 to really work. And first and foremost is a script 1:44:59.080 --> 1:45:01.400 in the story, and if it's not on the page, 1:45:01.479 --> 1:45:04.400 it's not magically going to appear. And so I was 1:45:04.720 --> 1:45:07.759 very fortunate to have a good episode and good writing. 1:45:08.760 --> 1:45:10.760 You can tell how much you love your work. 1:45:11.280 --> 1:45:13.240 Well, that's nice to hear. I do. I do love 1:45:13.360 --> 1:45:14.360 I do love my work. 1:45:14.400 --> 1:45:16.960 And I'm i'm you know, as I as I get 1:45:17.000 --> 1:45:22.360 older and mature, I realize how fortunate I am. I'm 1:45:22.400 --> 1:45:25.080 just just struck by how fortunate I am to have 1:45:25.120 --> 1:45:28.760 the opportunity to get to do what I do. I mean, 1:45:29.080 --> 1:45:31.880 it's not lost on me. I don't take any moment 1:45:31.920 --> 1:45:34.920 of it for granted. It is such a privilege to 1:45:35.000 --> 1:45:37.840 get to be an actor and now to be a 1:45:37.880 --> 1:45:41.080 director as well. So I'm i'm you know, I'm just 1:45:41.200 --> 1:45:44.920 really kind of I just feel so fortunate. So it's 1:45:45.000 --> 1:45:46.840 nice to be able to talk about these things. 1:45:50.360 --> 1:45:51.920 Oh my gosh, she loved him. 1:45:52.080 --> 1:45:55.479 I loved his energy, everything he said, and obviously he 1:45:55.560 --> 1:45:58.479 complimented us up up top, so number one guy. 1:45:58.520 --> 1:46:00.800 And he listened to some episodes of our podcast. 1:46:00.920 --> 1:46:04.800 I love that like zooms to number one and gave 1:46:04.840 --> 1:46:07.639 the scoop. And I just love people that are thoughtful 1:46:07.720 --> 1:46:11.160 and sharing about their craft and about like the process 1:46:11.160 --> 1:46:14.439 of learning and like doing things before you think you're 1:46:14.479 --> 1:46:17.439 ready or when you think, like with directing and then 1:46:17.520 --> 1:46:20.360 jumping in and then being grateful and understanding how awesome 1:46:20.400 --> 1:46:24.080 it is to have mentors and listen to people. Yeah, 1:46:24.120 --> 1:46:27.200 and you know, I just I love the process of creation. 1:46:27.680 --> 1:46:29.320 I do feel like we just keep talking to people 1:46:29.360 --> 1:46:33.000 who are just so like humble and grateful and positive 1:46:33.240 --> 1:46:35.800 and they're successful, and it's just like a really great 1:46:36.280 --> 1:46:38.400 It's just really great to see the cause and effect. 1:46:38.600 --> 1:46:40.559 Like you know, I think if they weren't humble, they 1:46:40.600 --> 1:46:45.960 wouldn't be on the pod. Okay, that's the theory, right 1:46:46.520 --> 1:46:50.680 or maybe I know now Neil Bear, he knows he's 1:46:50.720 --> 1:46:51.120 the best. 1:46:53.640 --> 1:46:54.200 He's like, I'm not. 1:46:54.720 --> 1:46:58.040 I'm working at Harvard. Excuse me. I would like to 1:46:58.040 --> 1:47:02.120 add the number one lesson, of course, don't fuck your kid, yeah, 1:47:02.160 --> 1:47:03.320 aka rape your kids. 1:47:03.520 --> 1:47:08.080 Yes, don't rid your kids. If today's postmortem is anything 1:47:08.600 --> 1:47:10.960 tells us anything, it's do not have sex with your kids. 1:47:11.000 --> 1:47:13.600 I mean, do not molest or rape your kids. You 1:47:13.640 --> 1:47:16.080 can't have sex really with your kids. No, I said, 1:47:16.080 --> 1:47:18.960 aka rape. Yeah, maybe that was too like I was 1:47:18.960 --> 1:47:19.839 correcting myself. 1:47:20.000 --> 1:47:25.600 Oh, we both suck up. Yeah, it's hard. Language is 1:47:25.600 --> 1:47:28.759 difficult when you're so trained. It's like you're so trained 1:47:28.760 --> 1:47:31.479 and everywhere else. It's like when you get into a 1:47:31.520 --> 1:47:34.960 social conversation about everything, even when someone's trying to be 1:47:35.920 --> 1:47:38.280 or saying the right thing, the language is hard. It's 1:47:38.280 --> 1:47:41.360 like you really have to yeh know this stuff to 1:47:41.439 --> 1:47:43.760 know what's appropriate or not because people will be like, 1:47:43.880 --> 1:47:46.200 how dare he fuck an underaged girl? And you're like, 1:47:46.200 --> 1:47:49.000 you're on the right side, you know, like I'm not 1:47:49.040 --> 1:47:51.200 gonna nip it with you. 1:47:51.320 --> 1:47:55.400 But sometimes but yeah, and I guess. 1:47:55.560 --> 1:47:59.200 Don't talk to the cops, zip it unless the lawyer 1:47:59.280 --> 1:47:59.880 comes zip it. 1:48:00.320 --> 1:48:03.720 Yeah, he fully confesses without a lawyer. Don't let the 1:48:03.720 --> 1:48:06.439 cops flatter you. Don't let the cops tell you that 1:48:06.560 --> 1:48:09.400 like you're the one that's gonna help them solve the crime. 1:48:10.960 --> 1:48:15.880 Yeah, they are trained to lie. Manipulate and get information 1:48:16.160 --> 1:48:20.679 out of people. There's a reason cops do well on Survivor. 1:48:22.040 --> 1:48:22.080 A. 1:48:23.439 --> 1:48:24.439 I didn't even know that. 1:48:25.240 --> 1:48:30.240 Yeah, some of the best winners unfortunately are or fortunately 1:48:30.439 --> 1:48:35.240 are cops. Wow, because you know they're physically strong, but 1:48:35.280 --> 1:48:37.559 in terms of like they know what's up, they know 1:48:37.600 --> 1:48:39.839 what to say. One guy built spy shacks. 1:48:40.120 --> 1:48:42.360 They can like sniff out weakness, I bet. 1:48:42.800 --> 1:48:45.320 Yeah, and they just fully know how to lie. There 1:48:45.400 --> 1:48:48.280 was actually a season with two cops and one cop, 1:48:48.880 --> 1:48:49.720 like it was like. 1:48:50.280 --> 1:48:52.320 Blue line baby, and then the guy. 1:48:52.320 --> 1:48:55.960 Was like, I'm voting her out and she felt betrayed, 1:48:56.360 --> 1:48:58.960 Like she was like, we're cop brother sister, What the fuck? 1:48:59.200 --> 1:49:02.920 Guess what? The came back won the whole season. Hello, 1:49:03.400 --> 1:49:05.599 learned her lesson was like came back and like there 1:49:05.640 --> 1:49:07.519 was one moment where like there was a clue under 1:49:07.520 --> 1:49:09.120 someone else and they didn't see it. And while she 1:49:09.200 --> 1:49:11.639 was swimming, she would be like with everyone was able 1:49:11.680 --> 1:49:14.280 to slither out on a platform, grab a secret thing, 1:49:14.600 --> 1:49:16.960 put it in her bra, swim to the main thing 1:49:17.000 --> 1:49:18.920 with no one noticing, and like was able and then 1:49:19.040 --> 1:49:21.439 learn how to lie, lie to people's faces. And then 1:49:21.439 --> 1:49:26.160 the other cop he's won twice now fuck. Like, So, now, 1:49:26.200 --> 1:49:27.680 if you're a cop or a lawyer, or if you're 1:49:27.680 --> 1:49:30.439 a favorite, you don't tell people you're like, oh, I 1:49:30.520 --> 1:49:33.760 work in bail box. Are like, you just lie, you 1:49:33.800 --> 1:49:35.240 say you do other things. 1:49:35.360 --> 1:49:38.400 They say cops are quitting in droves all across the countries. 1:49:38.400 --> 1:49:40.840 Maybe they're just all trying to get onto survivor. 1:49:40.720 --> 1:49:44.920 Maybe yeah, everyone from Burger King and the police departments 1:49:44.960 --> 1:49:46.040 will be on the next season. 1:49:46.120 --> 1:49:48.080 Me and me and leave them. 1:49:48.520 --> 1:49:54.880 Oh. What I realized was Tandy Veronica. Tandy's husband is 1:49:54.920 --> 1:49:56.640 in an episode of Sex and the City that I 1:49:56.720 --> 1:49:59.360 just watched, and I lost my mind. And to explain 1:49:59.400 --> 1:50:01.599 to the person I was with why I was excited 1:50:01.800 --> 1:50:05.679 was humiliating. But he was in an episode of Sex 1:50:05.680 --> 1:50:08.639 in the City where Miranda goes to the comedy club 1:50:09.520 --> 1:50:13.120 and he is her date, and so when he goes 1:50:13.160 --> 1:50:16.320 to the bathroom, his phone rings. The comedian is bad 1:50:16.400 --> 1:50:18.840 and he's like, what the fuck? Answer answer the phone, 1:50:19.160 --> 1:50:22.559 and the phone call is her date's wife. And then 1:50:22.600 --> 1:50:24.360 he comes back and like they do a thing, and 1:50:24.400 --> 1:50:26.839 it's a whole thing about like why are men liars? 1:50:27.160 --> 1:50:29.240 She straight up asked him, how long have you been divorced. 1:50:29.240 --> 1:50:32.080 He went three years, just like that, he just said 1:50:32.080 --> 1:50:32.639 three years. 1:50:33.000 --> 1:50:37.320 That's a d quote. Wait, I literally remember every moment 1:50:37.400 --> 1:50:39.920 of that episode. I remember, like exactly what it looks 1:50:39.960 --> 1:50:41.880 like and what happens. And I just didn't place that 1:50:41.920 --> 1:50:42.840 guy's face at all. 1:50:43.360 --> 1:50:46.760 No, it would be why. I mean, yeah, I'm very proficient, 1:50:46.840 --> 1:50:48.920 and I didn't get it until just now when I 1:50:48.920 --> 1:50:51.200 saw it on accident and like we had just done 1:50:51.200 --> 1:50:53.240 this episode, you know, like, yeah, I don't know if 1:50:53.240 --> 1:50:54.880 I would have been able to connect all of this 1:50:54.960 --> 1:50:58.680 if it wasn't timed perfectly. But the Universe that Be 1:50:58.840 --> 1:51:05.040 wanted someone listening here today to know this. Sure, right, yeah, 1:51:05.080 --> 1:51:09.280 and this this is an intro thing. But Manifest look 1:51:09.280 --> 1:51:11.839 at us putting Manifest manifesting Manifest. 1:51:12.479 --> 1:51:15.040 Yeah, if you don't know what she's talking about. Apparently 1:51:15.080 --> 1:51:18.040 Manifest might be getting another season, so people are manifesting 1:51:18.040 --> 1:51:19.400 another Manifest. Yeah. 1:51:19.640 --> 1:51:21.599 Anyway, right back a peak. Back's a peak? 1:51:21.720 --> 1:51:26.160 Anyway, Peak a classically fucked up episode that I think 1:51:26.200 --> 1:51:29.320 about all the time, Like I've seen it so many times, 1:51:29.360 --> 1:51:32.120 and I mean, yeah, I don't know how much real 1:51:32.120 --> 1:51:35.080 world application there is to this episode. Well, we have 1:51:35.120 --> 1:51:35.759 the real crime. 1:51:35.800 --> 1:51:37.439 I also learn, you know, put on a shoe if 1:51:37.479 --> 1:51:38.439 you're going to stalk a lover. 1:51:38.640 --> 1:51:40.439 Yeah, if you're going to cross Central Park in a 1:51:40.439 --> 1:51:44.879 mink stole, nothing but a mink fur, put some shoes on, yeah, 1:51:44.920 --> 1:51:45.720 and bake a light. 1:51:45.840 --> 1:51:48.240 Like if you're for money, maybe watch out. 1:51:48.600 --> 1:51:50.960 Did we learn nothing from Liza almost losing a toe 1:51:51.120 --> 1:51:53.519 trying to get her steps in and ugs? You guys 1:51:53.560 --> 1:51:54.879 have got to wear shoes. 1:51:56.240 --> 1:51:59.280 Yeah, No, this is a great episode. Oh what else 1:51:59.360 --> 1:52:02.599 did we learn? Oh, don't lie if you commit the crime, 1:52:02.680 --> 1:52:05.280 don't lie and say someone else did it about the 1:52:05.360 --> 1:52:08.800 zoom making it on the cameras. Yeah, just don't lie. 1:52:08.920 --> 1:52:10.720 It's easier when you don't lie. 1:52:11.000 --> 1:52:13.519 Sure do or think of a story. Think of a 1:52:13.560 --> 1:52:15.800 story that doesn't throw a random person under the bus. 1:52:15.840 --> 1:52:17.640 If you're going to come up with your alibi or 1:52:17.680 --> 1:52:21.519 like your you know, your cover story, don't make it like, oh, 1:52:21.560 --> 1:52:23.720 someone else is going to take that was? Like what was? 1:52:23.880 --> 1:52:25.920 So that's what's so fucked up in Like another episode 1:52:25.920 --> 1:52:27.600 that we're talking about is that the person who was 1:52:27.600 --> 1:52:29.720 guilty tried to pin it on a kid. You know, 1:52:30.640 --> 1:52:32.360 I can't say it because it hasn't come out yet. 1:52:32.560 --> 1:52:35.240 We like to keep it secret. Listen, this was a 1:52:35.240 --> 1:52:38.120 great post mortem. Only maybe thirty percent had to do 1:52:38.160 --> 1:52:39.360 what we learned from the episode. 1:52:39.360 --> 1:52:41.360 But you know what, I think you have to say? 1:52:41.360 --> 1:52:45.080 How good Wang looks and glasses, Oh yeah, I wish 1:52:45.080 --> 1:52:46.440 you wore glasses regularly. 1:52:46.520 --> 1:52:50.120 We learned, We learned that, you know, George Huang was 1:52:50.200 --> 1:52:51.920 part of our lives. That's how we learned. We learned 1:52:51.920 --> 1:52:53.920 that from this episode. And yeah, it looks. 1:52:53.760 --> 1:52:57.920 Good and his coffee cup acting is superb. 1:52:58.160 --> 1:53:02.280 Yeah, he's unbeatable. Let's head into what would Sister Peg do? 1:53:02.600 --> 1:53:06.280 Our weekly segment where we give you an organization or 1:53:06.320 --> 1:53:10.160 a resource that you can go to or donate to, 1:53:10.479 --> 1:53:13.000 or just learn more about the topics that we touched 1:53:13.000 --> 1:53:15.519 on in today's episode. 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