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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph, Louisiana.

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Speaker 1: Mother tells police she answers the door and is immediately

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Speaker 1: pepper sprayed, maced in the face. She stumbles away, trying

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Speaker 1: When she comes back, her little baby, her tiny baby,

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Speaker 1: Levi Cole Ellerbee is gone. I mean, I see, Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us,

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Speaker 1: joining me right now, Larry May Her Crime Online dot

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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, Larry, that's just the beginning of the story.

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Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning, because in the last hours,

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Speaker 1: a sudden twist, a bizarre twist, has left me reeling

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Speaker 1: on this case. Let's just start at the beginning when

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Speaker 1: the mom, Hannah Barker, tells about getting maced in the

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Speaker 1: face at her own front door. What happened then, Larry, Well,

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Speaker 1: she called nine one and told them about the two

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Speaker 1: men who had confronted her at the front door of

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Speaker 1: her mobile home and through some sort of chemical like

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Speaker 1: pepper spray or mace in her face, she ran off,

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Speaker 1: thinking they were coming after her, and when she came

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Speaker 1: back the baby, she reported that the baby was gone.

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Speaker 1: Police immediately launched a search for the boy, who was

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Speaker 1: not quite seven months old at the point. At that point,

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Speaker 1: and the mother, Hannah Barker, gave them a description of

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Speaker 1: the two men, but that description was never broadcast and

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Speaker 1: it was never released to the public, suggesting that perhaps

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Speaker 1: right from the get go, police were not real sure

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Speaker 1: that the mom was telling them the truth. Sure enough, of,

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Speaker 1: about an hour later, they found the little boy. He

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Speaker 1: was in a fire that had been set next to

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Speaker 1: Paramedics took the boy to the Wait wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: Larry Mayher. When you say he was in a fire

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Speaker 1: that was set next to some railroad tracks, you make

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Speaker 1: it sound like he was in a home that caught

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Speaker 1: on fire. That's not what happened, Larry. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: So someone started a fire next to some railroad tracks

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Speaker 1: and then threw the child in it. I'll tell you what, Larry,

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Speaker 1: somebody better go to jail. At the very least, starting

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Speaker 1: a fire and putting a child, a seven month old child,

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Speaker 1: in the fire, you know at first? Uh tow Joseph's

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Speaker 1: got Morgan, forensics expert author of Blood Beneath My Feet

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Speaker 1: Death investigator professor of forensics at jacksonvill Stay University Joe Scott.

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Speaker 1: At first I thought, well, clearly they suffocated this little

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Speaker 1: baby and then they try to destroy the evidence by

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Speaker 1: burning the body. That's not what happened, because I know

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Speaker 1: for a fact authorities came upon the fire and they

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Speaker 1: airlifted erased the baby to the hospital to try to

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Speaker 1: save the baby, which tells me the baby was alive.

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott. Yeah, yeah, the baby still had signs of life. Nancy.

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Speaker 1: It's sixty five mile distance. They were in Nakinish, Louisiana,

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Speaker 1: which is near on the west side of the state,

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Speaker 1: and they were they had to transport this baby to Sreeport.

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Speaker 1: And so my suspicion is is that when they arrived

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Speaker 1: at the scene and lord knows how they came across

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Speaker 1: this child at this point, uh, they still had signs

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Speaker 1: the scene and taking the streeport at that point in time. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this child was going through an excruciating death, Nancy. And

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Speaker 1: to make and to really put a chill down your spine,

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Speaker 1: they apparently arrived right after this thing has been initiated.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot more to this that I'd like to know.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I know. Whoever is involved is

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Speaker 1: going to burn in hell. But I'd feel a lot

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Speaker 1: better if they sat on death road for a while

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Speaker 1: before they got the needle. Putting a child, a living

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Speaker 1: seven month old child into a fire by a railroad track. Well,

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Speaker 1: State of Louisiana will greatly oblige him. I can promise

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Speaker 1: you that. I mean, you know, uh, this baby boy.

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Speaker 1: I remember when the twins were seven months old, Joe

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Speaker 1: scott Um. You know, they were super super premature, and

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Speaker 1: it was my mission every day. They'd be up each

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Speaker 1: too to keep them alive. Lucy was born at two pounds,

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Speaker 1: helpless they were at seven months old, poor little babies

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Speaker 1: after they've been through so much. And this little child,

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Speaker 1: absolutely Levi Cole just a beautiful baby when I think

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Speaker 1: about what he suffered before he died. So then I

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Speaker 1: hear Larry Mayher Crime Stories, investigative reporter Larry. Then I

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Speaker 1: hear that one of Mommy's Facebook friends. I guess anybody

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Speaker 1: Felicia Nicole Smith is her name. She's twenty five years old.

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Speaker 1: She and the mother, whose name is Hannah Barker, once

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Speaker 1: charged with first degree murder shortly after the little boy died.

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Speaker 1: She has been in jail ever since. So when you

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Speaker 1: by that? Were they friends? Were they lovers? What were they?

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Speaker 1: loving somebody, um, that you made at work, and then

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Speaker 1: suddenly you're connected to their baby being murdered in such

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Speaker 1: a brutal way. I'm not really understanding that. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to the Louisiana State Fire Marshal Butch Brown. Probably

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Speaker 1: one of the more saddest situations I've ever seen. As

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Speaker 1: you know, we had a six month baby. Uh, it

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Speaker 1: community has really been brought to the needs on this

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Speaker 1: kind of talking on a regular basis working working this case.

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Speaker 1: But the community is still await on a lot of

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Speaker 1: But we do expect other arrest in that case. Which

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Speaker 1: did did the suspect know the family, know the mother?

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Speaker 1: so you know, we're still betting through those things. But

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Speaker 1: but it wasn't a random Uh, it wasn't a random act,

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Speaker 1: It certainly was an individual who knew the child and

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Speaker 1: think it's a random act either. Or two Joseph Scott

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Speaker 1: death investigator and Larry may Her Crime Online dot Com

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Joseph Scott Morgan. I don't think that it's

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Speaker 1: random either. I mean, these two women knew each other

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Speaker 1: and suddenly she's connected to the disappearance and then the

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Speaker 1: death of the seven month old baby boy LEVI. Now

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Speaker 1: that's not random, of course it's not. No, no, it's not.

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Speaker 1: And that's the reason she's been hooked up on first

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Speaker 1: degree murder charges. Nancy and Louisiana she had do you

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Speaker 1: say that you know you're no? You remind me of

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Speaker 1: so many defendants and I'd say what's your record or

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Speaker 1: witness and they go, well, well, Ms Grace, I I

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Speaker 1: caught a I caught a robbery charge. You caught a

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Speaker 1: robbery charge. Okay. Uh, now you just said she's hooked up.

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Speaker 1: She's hooked up with a first degree murder. Oh uh no,

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Speaker 1: she has been formally charged with murder one in the

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Speaker 1: burning death of a seven month old baby. She didn't

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Speaker 1: catch a murder charge, go ahead, Well, Uh, she's gonna

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Speaker 1: have to live with it at this point. And let

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Speaker 1: me tell you what else. Uh, this was a purposed event. Uh,

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Speaker 1: seven month old that not just mysteriously spontaneously bust adjacent

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Speaker 1: They built a fire and introduced this poor living little

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Speaker 1: to burn. Uh they've put out there and purpose this,

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Speaker 1: and so that's why she has been charged with first

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Speaker 1: absolutely right, Larry mayher. That's not the end of the story.

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, a bizarre twist, what happened. Well,

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Speaker 1: the mother was charged with being a principle to first

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Speaker 1: with criminal conspiracy, which means police believe they were in

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Speaker 1: You know what, I hardly even know how do respond

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Speaker 1: to that? The TATS mother. The Tats mother has now

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Speaker 1: been charged as an accomplice in the burning death of

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Speaker 1: her seven month old baby boy, Levi Larry. What do

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Speaker 1: of right now hasn't been laid out. We know Felicia

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Speaker 1: Marinna Cole Smith was his facing first degree murder charge

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Speaker 1: charges in the death of Levi. Police have not offered

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Speaker 1: any scenario to explain how these two women might have

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Speaker 1: staged this crime. Um they have imposed what's what they're

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Speaker 1: which they have since described as rapidly expanding. Well, I

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Speaker 1: state Fire Marshall said they had. They had worked Nancy

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Speaker 1: uh sleeplessly for days upon days upon days to try

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Speaker 1: so it had to be like eight thirty a forty five.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we would have saw it or heard

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Speaker 1: You know what, It's very rare that I advocate the

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Speaker 1: death penalty, but burning a seven month old child alive

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Speaker 1: is Taylor made for the Louisiana death penalty. You know what,

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Speaker 1: It is so hard to work cold cases. I know

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Speaker 1: I have worked them myself, especially when you know your

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Speaker 1: that went down in a public area at a shopping center.

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00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: So there's no love lost between Susan's family and Josh's family.

429
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: That was specifically aimed at Josh's dad, who I see

430
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: as part and parcel of this whole thing of Susan's disappearance,

431
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: not just the husband Josh, but the dad. He had

432
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: almost a Svengali control. I thought, am Bremner over the

433
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: husband Josh Powell because the dad, and I'll put it

434
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: out there, he is a perv. He is a perv,

435
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: and he had some sort of control over Josh and

436
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: well absolutely Nancy and Stephen Powell was of course fell

437
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: me a little girls next door naked. I represented those

438
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: little girls. He had liked pages of things relating to

439
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: Susan during a search, war in execution and a minute,

440
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: who wa wh wh wh whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, right there,

441
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: hold on, he had what Now this is the father

442
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: in law. He has what on? Mommy fort undred pages

443
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: relating to Nancy. And you covered this really well back

444
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: at the time and covered this case, you know, beautifully, Um,

445
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: this tragic case overall. You actually read from some of

446
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: these journals, some of the entries he had about Susan.

447
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: I mean he was obsast, he was a vayor with her.

448
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: He stopped her. Um, didn't he steal her underwear after

449
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: she put him in the dirty hamper? It's just so okay,

450
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: all right there, Karen Stark, New York psychologist, No wonder

451
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: Susan's father hated her. Father in law, Steve Powell. Steve

452
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: Powell would steal Susan's underwear out of the dirty clothes

453
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: and take it. Karen, there's gotta be a name for that. Well,

454
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: it's definitely a perversion. He wants to sniff her underwear,

455
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: so he's into an object instead of in addition to

456
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: wanting the person. And there's a sexual a strong sexual

457
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: desire to be in contact with this person. So he's

458
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: obsessed with her. Nancy. Pages of photos and so forth

459
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: on his daughter in law, Denise, aren't SI is Susan's sister.

460
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: It almost makes me sick to even report that in

461
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: line of the fact that Susan is missing and we

462
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: have no idea where she is, and this pervy father

463
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: in law just dies and that's forever An Avenue will

464
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: never get answers from him. Did Susan have any idea

465
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: the links her father in law would go to. No,

466
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 1: Susan didn't she and she knew that he had an

467
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: obsession with her when she caught him peeping at her

468
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: at his house when she lived there with Josh, and

469
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: she told me about it, um so that she felt

470
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: uncomfortable around him, and he wouldn't stop looking at her,

471
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: and he made advances towards her. UM. I honestly don't

472
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: think she knew the extent of his sick perversion that

473
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: he had towards her, but I do know that she

474
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: He had at once said to her that, um he

475
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: wanted to share her with Josh, and Josh was okay

476
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: with it. Take a listen to what the pervy father

477
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: in law, Steve Powell tells ABC News Abby Boudreaux about

478
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: his relationship with Susan. Susan was very, very sexual with me.

479
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: She was very flirtatious. I mean, I'm I'm her father

480
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: in law. And uh, she she would do a lot

481
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: of things that that. Um, I mean she was just

482
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: she did it. I did. I mean, we we interacted

483
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: in a lot sexual ways because Susan enjoys doing that.

484
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: Do you think a part of you started falling in

485
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: love with Susan? That's pretty likely. Yeah, I mean I

486
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: I yeah, I wouldn't say so. And and and there's

487
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: no question in my mind that the feelings were mutual.

488
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: Of course, Steve Powell is lying, of course he is.

489
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: Where is Susan Cox Powell? The young mother of two

490
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: goes missing, and coincidently, that very same night, her husband, Josh,

491
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: claims he's taken the boys camping and freezing weather at midnight.

492
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: Now we know this is new evidence to me that

493
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: the dad is spotted. Her husband is spotted at a

494
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: local hotel taking the boys to the breakfast buffet, and

495
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: one boy says to a worker, there, you know what

496
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: happened to my mommy? And later the boys draw a

497
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: picture of mommy in the car trunk. Well, the investigat

498
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: nation into the location of Susan Cox Powell has really

499
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: been dealt a mortal blow, a real kick in the

500
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: teeth with the death the sudden death of her father

501
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: in law, who's a perv in his own right, Steve Powell.

502
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: He has just died. Is the investigation over? No? It

503
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: is not. Where is Susan Cox Powell? I find it

504
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: very intriguing that Susan Cox was making a video documenting

505
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: her possessions inside her home just before she goes missing.

506
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: Why was that to Denise? Ern't Susan's sister joining me?

507
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: Why was she doing a video describing possessions in the home.

508
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: She was told by her lawyer that she had acquired

509
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: UH that she needed to document everything um for insurance

510
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: reasons and also for reasons if they were to separate.

511
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: She had everything documented on who bought what and who

512
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: owned what, even though you know they're married. Susan had

513
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: to document everything they had in the house. Oh Man.

514
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: Basically it was started out as insurance reasons, but Uh,

515
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: Susan had told me that she had to. She was

516
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: taking making sure that she had everything on camera to

517
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: where Josh couldn't deny on what they had because he

518
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: would have tried to take it away. Take a listen

519
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: to Susan now missing, making her own video of the

520
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: family possessions. This is Susan Cox power Listen. This is

521
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: me hi sorry, and it is can you see that?

522
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: Four am? And I am documenting all our assets just

523
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: in case of any emergencies fire, fled, image disputes. And

524
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: we have to Samsung monitors. And this is Josh's computer

525
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: and there's some type of backup device and speakers. And

526
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: here's the kind of pimping out stuff he's done to

527
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: his computer. He built it himself. I think there's like

528
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: five hard drives, something about digging raids. There's those for

529
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: all the computer geeks, and Josh locked this, but this

530
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: is all of his files locked. Those are his files,

531
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: and he bought expensive stuff like these are I think

532
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: this was like a couple with a sudden death of

533
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: Susan Cox, Powell's father in law, who is a perm

534
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: in his own right. It's entirely different matter. The case

535
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: has been dealta mortal blow. Today we are trying to

536
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: piece together the puzzle as to where is Susan Cox now.

537
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: According to her husband, the Josh Powell, he loves her deeply.

538
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Josh Powell in an ABC interview.

539
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: Did you kill your wife? No? Did you have anything

540
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: to do with the disappearance of your wife? Nothing? Nothing?

541
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: What is the truth? People who know me that I'm

542
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: a good dad. I work hard, I put my son's first.

543
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: I was a good husband. I take care of my family. Nice.

544
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: See you're still wearing your wedding band. Yeah you still

545
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: love her? Yeah, I guess you could say that I

546
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: still love her. Why take your two young sons amping

547
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: after midnight, freezing cold temperatures. Well, we just go out

548
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: and do things that are fun. But it's after midnight,

549
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: you know it was shouldn't your son's be sleeping? Weren't

550
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: they sleeping? People who know me know that time is

551
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: hard for me to keep track of. My tend to

552
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: be spontaneous. I do things in the spur of the moment.

553
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: Why not call work the next morning to say, hey,

554
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: I was out camping. I'm not going to be in today.

555
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: To be honest, Saturday was a blur. I was convinced

556
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: it was still Saturday. I want to go back to

557
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: the night that Susan Powell goes missing to Amberimner. What

558
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: more do we know? Well, we know that there were

559
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: fans of course drawing on the floor there. It was

560
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: later determined to be Um blood. Her purse was still

561
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: in the house. Um, Josh took the SIM card out

562
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: of her phone and and he acts like he tried

563
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: to call her at work. He said he'd forgotten what

564
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: dale was. Who whoa whoa whoa whoa hold on, I'm

565
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: drinking out of fire, hid right here. And Browner tell

566
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: me that again took the SIM card out of her

567
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: phone and it was actually found or seen between the

568
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: seats of his own car. So you know this is

569
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: in the police at that time. You know, they talked,

570
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: They talked to the kids. That's tape recorder, you know,

571
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: they talked to Josh um and and they're investigating this case.

572
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: But that was a huge clue. I mean, she's got

573
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: her phone and he takes a SIM card right out

574
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: of it because he knows she's not coming back. I

575
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: find that to be extremely persuasive. What do you make

576
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: of it with me? The Cox family private investigator Rose

577
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: winqwist Well, I think, Nancy, anytime someone's phone is left behind,

578
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: and further, the SIM card has been removed, Um, that's

579
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: a pretty good indicator that he knew for a fact

580
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: that she wasn't coming back. I think it's overwhelm meaning Denise,

581
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: this is Susan's sister. What do you make of it?

582
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: I I believe that when you know, just like Rose

583
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: was saying Nancy that she was she wasn't coming back,

584
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: and he was trying to fool everybody. Josh always thought

585
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: he was smarter than the world. He had actually told

586
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: my well, I heard him say I got the horses

587
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: in the room, that he could hide a body and

588
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: nobody would ever find it. So I believe he thought

589
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: he was trying to outsmart the police and family everybody

590
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: pointing fingers at him that she wasn't around by removing

591
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: the sin card. How what happened to that sin card?

592
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: I'd like to know. Take a listen to the husband,

593
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: Josh Powell, as he speaks with ABC. You think she's

594
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: still alive? At times it's a roller coaster. How would

595
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: you want to say to her, she's watching, that I

596
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: miss her, that she's that I love her. She's got

597
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: two boys who love her, you know. Earlier and Bremner,

598
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: we were talking about this um stronghold of father in

599
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: law Steve Powell, who has just died. Seemed to have

600
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: on his son Josh. After Susan goes missing. Isn't it true?

601
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: They move, they leave the jurisdiction and moved to another state.

602
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: That's right, they left and moved to Utah. They've been't

603
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: They were trying to save money that they didn't have

604
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: a lot of money, so they lived with Stephen for

605
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: a while. And basically we're in a room in the

606
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: house and used like a shower curtain or curtains, you know,

607
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: for privacy, and Stephen would be peeping at her, making

608
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: her uncomfortable. You know. There was an interesting um quote

609
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: that was out here and then to come a news

610
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: tribune sometime back, and it said something like, never has

611
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: so much tragedy been visited on one family by one man,

612
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: meaning Stephen Powell. And that's been all I like ability

613
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: had to control Josh in his obsession with Susan and

614
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: his failure to talk. He's never said anything anything whatsoever

615
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: that would be helpful to the investigation. And when we're

616
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: talking about the father in law's creepy diary, what did

617
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: we learn in it? What of significance regarding Susan. I

618
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: don't care about his perversions. I care about Susan what

619
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: do we know? Well, he was he was obsessed with her.

620
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: He acted like he would talk about certain events where

621
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: he would say that, you know, he was aroused and

622
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: he could tell she was looking at him through the

623
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 1: reflection in a window. You know, he would talk about

624
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, he would stalk her and take footage of

625
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: her stills and video and act as if she was

626
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: reciprocating his interest. He would give her hosiery and then

627
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: talk about her wearing it and how she supposedly felt

628
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: attraction to him when he was wearing it. He took

629
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: a picture of her um where she was holding a

630
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: bird in her hand, like kissing a bird, and he

631
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: morphed it to put his own private hearts on her

632
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: finger and kissing his private parts. And I could go

633
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: on and on. It's just sick that he had these

634
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: fantasies that she felt the same way, and he would

635
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: write at length about her. You know that in itself

636
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: I find deeply, deeply disturbing, and also the fact that

637
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: the husband would go along with it to denise, arn't.

638
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: This is Susan Cox's sister. When they were together, what

639
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: was their relationship? Like? They were pretty they bickered a lot,

640
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Speaker 1: and at first it was, you know, get a room

641
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: kind of thing. They were always clinging on each other

642
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: and doing everything together and just inseparable. But as time

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00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: we're on it was basically, uh, stay away from me

644
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: kind of thing. They didn't talk, they didn't communicate, they

645
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: didn't they worked close at all. It was more of

646
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: again he and her, and she did what he told

647
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: her to. It was more of a partnership kind of

648
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: because she actually quit doing hair and things that she

649
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: wanted to do for a living and got her license

650
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: as a real estate agent just so she could answer

651
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: his phone calls in case somebody was interested in the house.

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00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: Stephen Powell, the father in law, a convicted sex offender,

653
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: the father of the man we believe Josh Powell is

654
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: involved in his wife's disappearance, has just died. Did the

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00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: secrets uh Susan Powell's disappearance die with him? We know

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00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: Powell Steve Powell, was hospitalized for heart complications. He just

657
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: died in St. Joseph Medical Center to coma. According to

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00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: Sheriff's what we know is Susan is still missing in

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00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: the family has no peace. Washington State investigators very open

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00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 1: law on the fact that they believe that the husband,

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00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: Josh Powell, killed Susan, they were unable to produce enough

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00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: evidence to prompt a murder investigation. I don't get it.

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00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: Why am brammer. If this case have been prosecuted the

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Speaker 1: get go, we may name more about it, we may

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00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: have even been able to save Susan. Well. Absolutely, and

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00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: the excuse if you want to use that word, and

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00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the right word, but basically the

668
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: reason that was given by the West Valley City authorities

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00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: was we don't have a body. And Nancy, you and

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00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: I well know that there's plenty of cases that have

671
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: been prosecuted without a body, and there were circumstantial and

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00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: direct evidence in this case. But they seemed to keep

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00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: wanting to think that there would be some word from

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Speaker 1: Josh or maybe even Steven other witnesses that would sinch

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00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: the case, and that never came to pass. You. They

676
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: would say, well, we're gonna be close, and you know,

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00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: hopefully something will happen with this, you know, search or

678
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: different things, but but nothing came to pass it. Since

679
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: that case for him and so she was it was

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00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: never prosecuted, which is a real tragedy. Take a listen

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00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: to Steve Powell before he passed away. Be the answer.

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Speaker 1: It would be a Josh's vindication that we would move on.

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00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: They had Susan, they maybe had Stephen Kosher, whom we

684
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: think she's with. We think that they who I still

685
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 1: believe that it's a possibility. But we thought that would

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00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: be the end of them. We thought they had them

687
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: down there and they were just going down to pick

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Speaker 1: them up. They had maybe they had to get an

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00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: extradition or order of some kind and from Nevada and

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00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: then they you know, Friday morning, they'd have a big

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Speaker 1: announcement for us, and we don't move on and live

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00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: happily ever after. It just didn't have it. We're really disappointed.

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Speaker 1: And do you believe she's alive? She's like, oh, yeah,

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00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: we believe that. We believe she's alive. We believe she

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00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: left with somebody. We're not sure if she's still with

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00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: that somebody, but I don't know. She probably was there,

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00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: you hear. The father in law has seems to be

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00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: extremely interested in his daughter in law's romantic life, claiming

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00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: she ran away with a boyfriend. You know what, she

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00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: didn't have a boyfriend. That has been clearly proven by police.

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00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: What what is he even talking about to Denise Ernst.

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00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: This is Susan's sister. What is he talking about? I

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00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: don't know. He's just trying to get I believe he's

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00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: just trying to get the focus taken off him and

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00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: pointing to blame at somebody else. Susan had a boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: she would have told me she would have been happy.

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00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: She wouldn't have been acting, uh, you know, upset and

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00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: frustrated and feeling trapped like she was. The search goes

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00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: on for Susan Cox Powell, her family hanging, hanging in

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00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: the balance, wanting answers too and Bremner, Denise Ernst, Rose

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Speaker 1: wain Quest, and Karen Starr. The search goes on Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories, signing off Goodbye friend,